I believe that there is no Bible version II or amendments. I believe that God inspired men to write all that we in this modern time to have from the existing 66 books we call the Bible.
Please consider this...is it possible that those who believe in cessationism have not fully understood that the Holy Spirit, He is not adding more to the Holy Bible but is able to confirm the Word of the Bible through modern men?
According to scripture, James 1:17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
To the cessationist, does modern day healing by faith in JESUS Christ exist? Where does this healing come from? If it does not come from God, then who does it come from? And if anyone says, "not God", then remember Matthew 12:22-37.
Also see Romans 12:1-21 - does the entirety of this not apply today?
@ChristopherakaPaul Cessationists do not necessarily deny that God is healing people today. What we deny is that there are gifts of healing allowing men like benny hinn to "perform" them on stage.
The miracles in the early church were allowed by God to confirm the word spoken by the disciples was from Him. Heb 2:4
Miracles still happen today, every day when He performs the greatest miracle of regeneration in bringing a sinner to Jesus Christ.
Beware in looking for sings and wonders Math 12:39
You answered you own question at 5:20. See Jn. 20:30-31, Heb. 2:1-4, Mk 16:20 Once the message was confirmed and established, No more confirmation is needed. There are 4 forms of cessationism. Only one claims God does not do Miracles. All claim God DOES NOT do miracles through the agency of man (ie apostles or prophets). We lay hands on the sick at my church via Jas 5:14. We are cessationist. Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick. NOT gifts of healings,, which was confirmatory.
Signs are still confirmatory. This probably explains why people who do missonary work often report signs and wonders they see while witnessing to people who haven't heard Gospel. If you don't have faith in the miraculous than i'm pretty sure you will probably never see it. Don't see a difference between laying hands on somebody and praying and people getting healed then someone being healed by a man anoited by God to do the same. You make one impossble while the other is not,both are done by God
I'm not going to be unbiblical and declare that the gifts have ceased beacuse men have come up with what they think is Good reason toaffirm such. i'll do what the bible tells me to do. Test all things. If a prophecy is found to be false, i'll regulate it as such, if it's found to be true i won't despise it. If a man touches a woman sick with cerebal palsy(Marlene Kleepes) And prays in name of jesus for healing and is healed that day i won't doubt it but praise God for his miracle working power.
Brother Loe, You asked a question to a cessationist. I answered you. Obviously you did not want to hear a cessationist position but rather was looking for someone to attack with ad hominem and levy straw men and red herrings against. YOU SAID,, Signs are still confirmatory. This probably explains why people who do missonary work often report signs and wonders they see while witnessing to people who haven't heard Gospel.,,, this is called Classical cessationism.
The question is not can God do Miracles, the question is does he? Charismatics like to say cessationist put God in a Box. But it is they that try to restrain God and say he must always does things the way he did in the past. Do you not know that even Pentecostal RESTORATION history proves cessationism?
I don't care about Pentecostal restoration History. Give me scripture. There are christians throughout history , modern mid evil times in african nations and in many other churches throughout history that report the miraculous. But people's history can be false so i require scripture to prove that a God whose done miracles throughout human history has stopped doing them. And many Christians have reported miracles in their own lives. I want scripture. SCRIPTURE PLEASE
Don't see where i levy a straw man or ad hominem. What I said is pertinent to the conversation. I'm interested with SCRIPTURE. Real easy give me the scripture verse that says that God no longer does miracles.
If you dont even want to see your logical fallacies, then why continue? Here they are,,,, If you don't have faith in the miraculous than i'm pretty sure you will probably never see it. AND,,, I'm not going to be unbiblical and declare that the gifts have ceased beacuse men have come up with what they think is Good reason toaffirm such. i'll do what the bible tells me to do Attacking the man instead of the argument EVEN THROUGH IMPLICATION is sure that is all you can do.
You said scripture please. Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him. WHAT PART OF PAST TENSE DO YOU NOT UNDTERSTAND? 2Ti 4:20, Php 2:27, 1Ti 5:23, 2Co 12:7-9,1Co 13:10. Because people are liars and willfully ignorant and easily deceived by illusion, you need to provide medical verification when claiming someone is healed. I BELIEVE GOD HEALS. BUT BUILD ANOTHER STRAWMAN!!!
straw men red herring ad hominem , I guess if you throw those terms around you think you win the arguement but your scriptuers don't prove that miracles have ceased. I assure you sir i'm not easily decieved. I test all things. Your arguement is scriptually unconvincing. I'm conviced by scriptures that God does miracles whenever he's pleased to. You assert that he has stopped, i disagree. I looked at that debate your arguements aren't strictly biblical. And easily refuted.
YOU SAID,,, "I'm convinced by scriptures that God does miracles whenever he's pleased to. You assert that he has stopped, i disagree." I SAID,, We lay hands on the sick at my church,, I BELIEVE GOD HEALS. BUT BUILD ANOTHER STRAWMAN!!! I would tell you to actually learn the cessations position before you continue to blather on yourself. But learning was obviously never your intent.
A straw man argument is an informal logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. You should learn the basics of logic because Jeremiah, 17: 9 WHERE IS YOUR VERSE THAT SAYS MIRACLES WILL CONTINUE? And define miracle to spare us the semantics!!!!
Where did i misrepresent your position? Do you speak for all cessationist. I see that you said that God still heals. Where have I denied that you have said that. I don't agree with you wholly. Where's the logical fallacy in that. I saw your debate, i don't agree with cessationist. Though your position maybe easiest to stomach , I don't agree. The problem with your position is that you have the burden of proof. So let's agree to disagree. Maybe that's a logical fallacy also.
How are these logical fallacies. Because you say so. In scripture faith is required for healings and miracles, if you don't believe than you won't recieve a miracle. That's not a logical fallacy that's a logical deduction. I haven't attacked you, But your arguement is weak because your arguement is weak. To say God doesn't do miracles through a human agent anymore is an emphatic statement you cannot prove. Your view is ILLOGICAL.
You are right that we are discraditing God when we say that he's not healing ppl today. I would suggest to listen to allen Carns again and listen carefully. He says that those miracolous healings had a purpose. He does NOT exclude certain healings happening in the church today, as tought also in the book of James. But not in an APOSTOLIC way. There is certainly a big difference between those two. And one should not mix those 2 together! :) God bless
Also The book of James gives instruction on divine healing saying the prayer of faith shall save the sick.Telling the elders to annoint the sick with oil.Divine healing is still needed today why will it stop simply because we have the bible.when Jesus comes back and we are made like him won't be no need for healing so this must be the time when all that will cease.When there is a need that is the opportunity for a miracle as witnessed in the old and new testaments.
Good bro.Basically I beleive those who really believe shall lay hands on the sick and they recover and speak with new tongues and cast out demons.You really have to believe in God's power to lay hands on somebody and really excpect healing to take place.Nothings to hard for God. He can move a literal mountain out your way if you believe he can and all he has to do is speak the words.Wow how can people believe God has stopped using his power.Jesus used the example of healing to show forgiveness.
I believe that there is no Bible version II or amendments. I believe that God inspired men to write all that we in this modern time to have from the existing 66 books we call the Bible.
Please consider this...is it possible that those who believe in cessationism have not fully understood that the Holy Spirit, He is not adding more to the Holy Bible but is able to confirm the Word of the Bible through modern men?
ChristopherakaPaul 3 months ago
According to scripture, James 1:17: Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
To the cessationist, does modern day healing by faith in JESUS Christ exist? Where does this healing come from? If it does not come from God, then who does it come from? And if anyone says, "not God", then remember Matthew 12:22-37.
Also see Romans 12:1-21 - does the entirety of this not apply today?
ChristopherakaPaul 3 months ago
@ChristopherakaPaul Cessationists do not necessarily deny that God is healing people today. What we deny is that there are gifts of healing allowing men like benny hinn to "perform" them on stage.
The miracles in the early church were allowed by God to confirm the word spoken by the disciples was from Him. Heb 2:4
Miracles still happen today, every day when He performs the greatest miracle of regeneration in bringing a sinner to Jesus Christ.
Beware in looking for sings and wonders Math 12:39
daleyboy77 2 months ago
You answered you own question at 5:20. See Jn. 20:30-31, Heb. 2:1-4, Mk 16:20 Once the message was confirmed and established, No more confirmation is needed. There are 4 forms of cessationism. Only one claims God does not do Miracles. All claim God DOES NOT do miracles through the agency of man (ie apostles or prophets). We lay hands on the sick at my church via Jas 5:14. We are cessationist. Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick. NOT gifts of healings,, which was confirmatory.
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
Signs are still confirmatory. This probably explains why people who do missonary work often report signs and wonders they see while witnessing to people who haven't heard Gospel. If you don't have faith in the miraculous than i'm pretty sure you will probably never see it. Don't see a difference between laying hands on somebody and praying and people getting healed then someone being healed by a man anoited by God to do the same. You make one impossble while the other is not,both are done by God
loepower 2 years ago
I'm not going to be unbiblical and declare that the gifts have ceased beacuse men have come up with what they think is Good reason toaffirm such. i'll do what the bible tells me to do. Test all things. If a prophecy is found to be false, i'll regulate it as such, if it's found to be true i won't despise it. If a man touches a woman sick with cerebal palsy(Marlene Kleepes) And prays in name of jesus for healing and is healed that day i won't doubt it but praise God for his miracle working power.
loepower 2 years ago
Brother Loe, You asked a question to a cessationist. I answered you. Obviously you did not want to hear a cessationist position but rather was looking for someone to attack with ad hominem and levy straw men and red herrings against. YOU SAID,, Signs are still confirmatory. This probably explains why people who do missonary work often report signs and wonders they see while witnessing to people who haven't heard Gospel.,,, this is called Classical cessationism.
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
The question is not can God do Miracles, the question is does he? Charismatics like to say cessationist put God in a Box. But it is they that try to restrain God and say he must always does things the way he did in the past. Do you not know that even Pentecostal RESTORATION history proves cessationism?
you tube(DOT)com/watch?v=Azo7nWRXjYw
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
I don't care about Pentecostal restoration History. Give me scripture. There are christians throughout history , modern mid evil times in african nations and in many other churches throughout history that report the miraculous. But people's history can be false so i require scripture to prove that a God whose done miracles throughout human history has stopped doing them. And many Christians have reported miracles in their own lives. I want scripture. SCRIPTURE PLEASE
loepower 2 years ago
Don't see where i levy a straw man or ad hominem. What I said is pertinent to the conversation. I'm interested with SCRIPTURE. Real easy give me the scripture verse that says that God no longer does miracles.
loepower 2 years ago
If you dont even want to see your logical fallacies, then why continue? Here they are,,,, If you don't have faith in the miraculous than i'm pretty sure you will probably never see it. AND,,, I'm not going to be unbiblical and declare that the gifts have ceased beacuse men have come up with what they think is Good reason toaffirm such. i'll do what the bible tells me to do Attacking the man instead of the argument EVEN THROUGH IMPLICATION is sure that is all you can do.
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
You said scripture please. Heb 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him. WHAT PART OF PAST TENSE DO YOU NOT UNDTERSTAND? 2Ti 4:20, Php 2:27, 1Ti 5:23, 2Co 12:7-9,1Co 13:10. Because people are liars and willfully ignorant and easily deceived by illusion, you need to provide medical verification when claiming someone is healed. I BELIEVE GOD HEALS. BUT BUILD ANOTHER STRAWMAN!!!
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
straw men red herring ad hominem , I guess if you throw those terms around you think you win the arguement but your scriptuers don't prove that miracles have ceased. I assure you sir i'm not easily decieved. I test all things. Your arguement is scriptually unconvincing. I'm conviced by scriptures that God does miracles whenever he's pleased to. You assert that he has stopped, i disagree. I looked at that debate your arguements aren't strictly biblical. And easily refuted.
loepower 2 years ago
YOU SAID,,, "I'm convinced by scriptures that God does miracles whenever he's pleased to. You assert that he has stopped, i disagree." I SAID,, We lay hands on the sick at my church,, I BELIEVE GOD HEALS. BUT BUILD ANOTHER STRAWMAN!!! I would tell you to actually learn the cessations position before you continue to blather on yourself. But learning was obviously never your intent.
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
A straw man argument is an informal logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position. You should learn the basics of logic because Jeremiah, 17: 9 WHERE IS YOUR VERSE THAT SAYS MIRACLES WILL CONTINUE? And define miracle to spare us the semantics!!!!
How2BecomeAChristian 2 years ago
Where did i misrepresent your position? Do you speak for all cessationist. I see that you said that God still heals. Where have I denied that you have said that. I don't agree with you wholly. Where's the logical fallacy in that. I saw your debate, i don't agree with cessationist. Though your position maybe easiest to stomach , I don't agree. The problem with your position is that you have the burden of proof. So let's agree to disagree. Maybe that's a logical fallacy also.
loepower 2 years ago
How are these logical fallacies. Because you say so. In scripture faith is required for healings and miracles, if you don't believe than you won't recieve a miracle. That's not a logical fallacy that's a logical deduction. I haven't attacked you, But your arguement is weak because your arguement is weak. To say God doesn't do miracles through a human agent anymore is an emphatic statement you cannot prove. Your view is ILLOGICAL.
loepower 2 years ago
Hi bro.
You are right that we are discraditing God when we say that he's not healing ppl today. I would suggest to listen to allen Carns again and listen carefully. He says that those miracolous healings had a purpose. He does NOT exclude certain healings happening in the church today, as tought also in the book of James. But not in an APOSTOLIC way. There is certainly a big difference between those two. And one should not mix those 2 together! :) God bless
flavianoctavius 3 years ago
Also The book of James gives instruction on divine healing saying the prayer of faith shall save the sick.Telling the elders to annoint the sick with oil.Divine healing is still needed today why will it stop simply because we have the bible.when Jesus comes back and we are made like him won't be no need for healing so this must be the time when all that will cease.When there is a need that is the opportunity for a miracle as witnessed in the old and new testaments.
spiderlance12003 3 years ago
Good bro.Basically I beleive those who really believe shall lay hands on the sick and they recover and speak with new tongues and cast out demons.You really have to believe in God's power to lay hands on somebody and really excpect healing to take place.Nothings to hard for God. He can move a literal mountain out your way if you believe he can and all he has to do is speak the words.Wow how can people believe God has stopped using his power.Jesus used the example of healing to show forgiveness.
spiderlance12003 3 years ago