Kind of eery looking at this, knowing what's really going on. Looks like Swede Risberg at 1:54 and Buck Weaver at 2:19. Could be Lefty Williams at 2:19.
This is also the series where the Holy Ghost appeared and hovered near the mound for a few seconds. Causing the batter to call "time" and step out of the box. 2:44
I think that's 3rd baseman Buck Weaver at 2:06. John Cusack played him in 8 Men Out. Ty Cobb said he was the best third baseman he'd ever seen. He also talked about his crazy looking face.
Sad to know that 99 % of everyone in this video (including fans in the stands) are all dead now =/. There may be atleast one person alive, maybe some little boy or girl up in the stands, but who knows.
@LPMC723 Yeah the only possible survivors would be babies that were at this game. Even they would be like 92 or 93 at the youngest. Kinda trippy to think about.
@duckman531 Yep, he nailed them on a huge fine. A decision that a higher court overturned. He once sentenced a man of 75 to 15 years in jail. "Your honor," the man said, "I'm 75 years old, I can't serve that long."
@malbuff Six of them were in on the fix, no question, but two of them weren't. Somebody should make another film that tells a different then that of Eight Men Out's account. It should be called Six Men Out, Two Men In. Weaver and Jackson were two men who have, unfortunately, been wrongfully banned from baseball and are thus ineligible for the Hall of Fame. Selig is quite incompetent. He even tried to contract my Twins because of the rivalry they've had with his ex-team the Milwaukee Brewers
@duckman531 ~ landis was a famous chicago native at the time. he was also an avid baseball fan (he was actually offered a contract in 1886) and was a familiar face at comiskey park, which at the time was state of the art. couple that with the white sox being the best team (they won the series in 1917) it would have been unusual for landis to not be there.
@duckman531 ~ correct, he had several cases that were national news, he was overruled by the supreme court, other controversial rulings, he worked for president grover cleveland and even caused controversy then. cleveland was against annexing hawaii which was leaked, cleveland blamed landis for the leak. quite the character, i didn't like him for the white sox bans and it was alleged landis kept baseball segregated. but the more you learn, he's not the person they portrayed him as.
@Paul19807 In case you're wondering about the fix, Charles Cominsky, the team owner, was a cheapskate who paid his players low salaries and refused to have their jerseys washed on a regular basis. His penny-pinching made him unpopular with the team. Despite their good records, the White Sox were the least valuable team in the MLB at the time. New York mobster Arnold Rothstein offered them more than what Cominsky paid to throw the series, so most of the team agreed to do so
@hulkyone That's "Comiskey". A cheapskate indeed. He also made the stupid mistake of getting into a personal p***ing match with AL President Ban Johnson. Therefore Comiskey's demands that Johnson investigate a possible "fix" after the first two games were met with Johnson's rude dismissal: "That is the yelp of a beaten cur."
What suggests that Shoeless Joe was innocent was his good record. He actually, believe it or not, set a Series record of 12 hits, made no errors and was quite had the best batting average of any player in the Series as well. The story is that Shoeless Joe, who barely literate, was tricked by the team's attorney Alfred Austrian. Austrian very well may have got Joe drunk before his grand jury testimony
@hulkyone Jackson's "good record" in the Series is at least a little misleading. He got most of his hits in Games 5 through 7 when the Sox, angry about not getting their money, were trying to win. And while he made no errors, the Reds hit 7 triples in the Series and a source (which I can't find, doggone it) mentioned that three or four of them were hit to left. Who the @$#%&*! ever triples to left? There's also the (admittedly hearsay) evidence from the Grand Jury testimony...
@malbuff A .400 batting average, which was what Joe had during the series, doesn't suggest that he was throwing the game. My Minnesota Twins-which have, unfortunately, been plagued by bad injuries this season- have hit such triples to the left, just so you know.
@malbuff The 7? 1 to left-center, 1 ground rule triple, 2 to deep center, 1 off the fence in left, 1 to right center, 1 to fence in right center. Looks like Felsch is the REAL culprit here!
Game 1 Jackson 0/4, but he scored the team's only run!
Game 2 Jackson 3/4 and was stranded on third THREE times!
Game 3 2/3, scored the only run the Sox would need
Game 4 1/4, double and reached on an error, again stranded on third. Chicago managed only 2 other hits the entire game!
@hulkyone ... that Joe confessed to deliberately playing out of position, "loafing" after base hits, and throwing to the wrong base. It seems to me they were all in on the fix for games 1-4, then gave it up and tried to win starting with game 5, but then of course Williams gave away decisive game 8 under duress. It remains a fascinating story and I doubt after 90 years that anyone will get to the bottom of it.
@malbuff It was also reported that the team's attorney Alfred Austrian coached his testimony. Despite Joe's fame, he didn't make a lot of money and he couldn't afford his own legal counsel. Austrian also got Joe to sign a waiver which granted him immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony. It is known by baseball historians to this day that Joe was barely literate and that there was a good chance that he signed the waiver not knowing what it said.
Shoeless was a hell of a player. Should have been a hall of famer. But you just can't let gamblers into the hall.
foryourhead 1 week ago
At 1:54 thats no other than Joe Jackson
holmeed 3 months ago
Kind of eery looking at this, knowing what's really going on. Looks like Swede Risberg at 1:54 and Buck Weaver at 2:19. Could be Lefty Williams at 2:19.
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shairocks100 3 months ago
@mrceebees14--- you got a point there. Maybe that's why people dress half naked nowadays
TheSphistak 4 months ago
@TheSphistak u old
sixsixxsixxxx 2 months ago
This is amazing.
mrceebees14 4 months ago
Suits and dresses at a baseball game. How cool is that ...
TheSphistak 4 months ago
@TheSphistak With how fat we have gotten as a nation? You would have people passing out or dieing in the stands.
mrceebees14 4 months ago
@TheSphistak who cares?
sixsixxsixxxx 2 months ago
This is also the series where the Holy Ghost appeared and hovered near the mound for a few seconds. Causing the batter to call "time" and step out of the box. 2:44
qthelost 4 months ago
I think that's 3rd baseman Buck Weaver at 2:06. John Cusack played him in 8 Men Out. Ty Cobb said he was the best third baseman he'd ever seen. He also talked about his crazy looking face.
qthelost 4 months ago
Sorry but that's nto a fake. It;s original Newsreel footage.
frusso5621 4 months ago
@frusso5621 Why are you sorry? I think it's cool. Very cool in fact.
cwcwful 3 months ago
Fake From the movie 8 men out
Pigsonfiredotorg 4 months ago
imagine having to watch today's sports with these cameras and from these kinds of angles....
RobertBalto 5 months ago
"Smile fellas, pretend it's Commie's wake".
17865329 5 months ago
Kevin Costner said it best
" I mean if he's supposed to be cheating how do you explain the fact that he hit .375 for the series and didn't commit one single error"
Daughter: I can't
Costner : 12 hits including the series only home run and he's trying to lose.
Daughter: it's ridiculous
keenanmartens 5 months ago
someone should have punched out HOLIER THAN THOU landis. what a detriment this old buzzard was.
deeniemarie7 5 months ago
Sad to know that 99 % of everyone in this video (including fans in the stands) are all dead now =/. There may be atleast one person alive, maybe some little boy or girl up in the stands, but who knows.
LPMC723 7 months ago
@LPMC723 Yeah the only possible survivors would be babies that were at this game. Even they would be like 92 or 93 at the youngest. Kinda trippy to think about.
lasoogneypubes 6 months ago
Think how fast a decade goes by, now this was only 8 or 9 decades ago...
Think of it that way it doesn't seem so long ago, but it was...it human years..
holmeed 6 months ago
@holmeed /watch?v=JTEWlSTQ1RI&ob=av2e
lasoogneypubes 6 months ago
2:09-shoeless joe?
Shivierie 7 months ago
@Shivierie no thats buck weaver
endrief1 7 months ago
Didn't he also hear the famous Standard Oil antitrust case?
duckman531 8 months ago
@duckman531 Yep, he nailed them on a huge fine. A decision that a higher court overturned. He once sentenced a man of 75 to 15 years in jail. "Your honor," the man said, "I'm 75 years old, I can't serve that long."
Landis replied, "Well, do the best you can!"
Scoclamor 6 months ago
Black Sox
Resistance1972 9 months ago
Is that Chick Gandil @ 2:06?
badmaxx 10 months ago
@badmaxx it's buck weaver at 2:06
7leafsfan 9 months ago
Where are all the black people?
jd55192 10 months ago
@jd55192 Where are all the latinos?
andrewr62 10 months ago
@andrewr62 The latinos are with the blacks playing stickball in a New York borough.
jd55192 10 months ago
Amazing find and post. Funny how the camera guys were so close to the action. This scandal is still a very interesting subject.
MagnJas 1 year ago
Again, I would like to see the rigged plays. I would like to see the sloppy pitches that Cicotte and Williams made
hulkyone 1 year ago
@hulkyone Yeah, like the first pitch of the Series when Cicotte plunked the Reds' leadoff man to let the mobsters know that the "fix was on."
malbuff 9 months ago
@malbuff Six of them were in on the fix, no question, but two of them weren't. Somebody should make another film that tells a different then that of Eight Men Out's account. It should be called Six Men Out, Two Men In. Weaver and Jackson were two men who have, unfortunately, been wrongfully banned from baseball and are thus ineligible for the Hall of Fame. Selig is quite incompetent. He even tried to contract my Twins because of the rivalry they've had with his ex-team the Milwaukee Brewers
hulkyone 9 months ago
This is amazing.
Wow.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
Indeed, this was interesting. I wonder if anyone has footage of plays during this series that demonstrated it was rigged
hulkyone 1 year ago
This doesn't look right. Why would Judge Landis be there? He wasn't even commissioner yet?
duckman531 1 year ago
@duckman531 ~ landis was a famous chicago native at the time. he was also an avid baseball fan (he was actually offered a contract in 1886) and was a familiar face at comiskey park, which at the time was state of the art. couple that with the white sox being the best team (they won the series in 1917) it would have been unusual for landis to not be there.
tomitstube 8 months ago
@tomitstube Thanks! You're right! Wasn't Landis a Federal judge working out of Chicago at this time?
duckman531 8 months ago
@duckman531 ~ correct, he had several cases that were national news, he was overruled by the supreme court, other controversial rulings, he worked for president grover cleveland and even caused controversy then. cleveland was against annexing hawaii which was leaked, cleveland blamed landis for the leak. quite the character, i didn't like him for the white sox bans and it was alleged landis kept baseball segregated. but the more you learn, he's not the person they portrayed him as.
tomitstube 8 months ago 2
Wow... this footage is awesome. In light of things, I wish I knew what was going through their heads.
Paul19807 1 year ago
@Paul19807 wow, truly amazing, it makes u wonder as u watch this video, are any of the plays shown plays that were fixed or thrown?
Taxi502 1 year ago
@Paul19807 In case you're wondering about the fix, Charles Cominsky, the team owner, was a cheapskate who paid his players low salaries and refused to have their jerseys washed on a regular basis. His penny-pinching made him unpopular with the team. Despite their good records, the White Sox were the least valuable team in the MLB at the time. New York mobster Arnold Rothstein offered them more than what Cominsky paid to throw the series, so most of the team agreed to do so
hulkyone 1 year ago 2
@hulkyone That's "Comiskey". A cheapskate indeed. He also made the stupid mistake of getting into a personal p***ing match with AL President Ban Johnson. Therefore Comiskey's demands that Johnson investigate a possible "fix" after the first two games were met with Johnson's rude dismissal: "That is the yelp of a beaten cur."
malbuff 9 months ago
What suggests that Shoeless Joe was innocent was his good record. He actually, believe it or not, set a Series record of 12 hits, made no errors and was quite had the best batting average of any player in the Series as well. The story is that Shoeless Joe, who barely literate, was tricked by the team's attorney Alfred Austrian. Austrian very well may have got Joe drunk before his grand jury testimony
hulkyone 1 year ago 3
@hulkyone Jackson's "good record" in the Series is at least a little misleading. He got most of his hits in Games 5 through 7 when the Sox, angry about not getting their money, were trying to win. And while he made no errors, the Reds hit 7 triples in the Series and a source (which I can't find, doggone it) mentioned that three or four of them were hit to left. Who the @$#%&*! ever triples to left? There's also the (admittedly hearsay) evidence from the Grand Jury testimony...
malbuff 9 months ago
@malbuff A .400 batting average, which was what Joe had during the series, doesn't suggest that he was throwing the game. My Minnesota Twins-which have, unfortunately, been plagued by bad injuries this season- have hit such triples to the left, just so you know.
hulkyone 9 months ago
@malbuff The 7? 1 to left-center, 1 ground rule triple, 2 to deep center, 1 off the fence in left, 1 to right center, 1 to fence in right center. Looks like Felsch is the REAL culprit here!
Game 1 Jackson 0/4, but he scored the team's only run!
Game 2 Jackson 3/4 and was stranded on third THREE times!
Game 3 2/3, scored the only run the Sox would need
Game 4 1/4, double and reached on an error, again stranded on third. Chicago managed only 2 other hits the entire game!
Scoclamor 6 months ago
@hulkyone ... that Joe confessed to deliberately playing out of position, "loafing" after base hits, and throwing to the wrong base. It seems to me they were all in on the fix for games 1-4, then gave it up and tried to win starting with game 5, but then of course Williams gave away decisive game 8 under duress. It remains a fascinating story and I doubt after 90 years that anyone will get to the bottom of it.
malbuff 9 months ago
@malbuff It was also reported that the team's attorney Alfred Austrian coached his testimony. Despite Joe's fame, he didn't make a lot of money and he couldn't afford his own legal counsel. Austrian also got Joe to sign a waiver which granted him immunity from prosecution in exchange for his testimony. It is known by baseball historians to this day that Joe was barely literate and that there was a good chance that he signed the waiver not knowing what it said.
hulkyone 9 months ago