I saw a T-2 for sale on Courtesy aircraft a while ago for 2 mil or so... wonder who bought it, it was restored to airworthy condition. suprising that you don't see more as there are so many T-28/34 out there.
There were two fires on the Lincoln when I was on it and they were both out in less than 5 minutes. We give the Grapes a hard time but when the shit hit the fan, those guys were top notch!
30 years and 11 overseas deployments (and GOD Knows how many short carrier qualification detatchments) on everything from the USS Kitty Hawk to the USS Reagan. Serious work in an extremely dangerous environment. Maybe not front-line combat, but you lived with this 24/7 for months at a time. NEVER any any room for complacency.
it looks like the power was cut for a split second..that was the moment where everybody should realize-something wrong-abort-turn left-cuz to try and fail is to try and die when you on deck..
when they finally yell the wave-off its far too late..
The canopies of the other aircraft were jettisoned by the other student pilots who were either waiting to be catapulted, or had just landed. The pilot who crashed (sorry I know it is grisley) can be seen engulfed in flames in the second shot. God bless he or she and the families of all involved.
Very sad but this guy, there were cross winds and he pulled up with the wind under the aircraft forcing a hard stall, after investigation they found out that the student hit the stick while going for the eject...
That was a very sad and tragic day. I was stationed on the Lady Lex when it happened. I was in A-gang, everyone responded quickly to their duty stations.
@danrodrigues Question, have you ever had a loved one who was burned to death? If by some miracle the pilot survived the ejection, at least he was knocked out so he never felt the flames. But of course you are more interested is scoring political left wing points that having any hint of humanity. I'm glad I don't live in the stale, lifeless and retarded world you apparently inhabit.
He initiated the waveoff when the LSO directed him to as you can hear in the audio. Before that, the LSO says "working on speed" meaning he was getting too slow and needed increase airspeed. He attempted to waveoff to the left away from the super structure of the ship but by doing that at such a high angle of attack, he stalled the right wing once the aileron dropped down. The aircraft then departed controlled flight.
@smithraymond09029 Yes - you can see from the other view, the canopies of at least one of the tied down aircraft popping off in the moments right after the accident. Not an expert on ejection mechanisms so I'm not quite sure what would have caused this to happen.
@TalTxD The word FATAL is not used only in English language... However your written English is pretty good. Take a break from guitar and brush-up, also in other domains of life.
Trust me, i'm not stuck on the guitar. i'm learning and my English is pretty good , even that I didn't connect between FATAL and FATALI - the hebrew way to say that. You can't just say: "this guy will have no education and street-cleverness because he plays the guitar everyday-all day long"
I was at the helm when this happened. Worst day of my life. T-2 Buckeyes are the most dangerous thing we ever trapped. Also, they had the least experienced pilots. I always thought they should've started them in the A-4s. My aft lookout (SN Gary Countryman) was literally inches from where the plane hit the island. If you watch closely, you'll see it took only 20 seconds to man #1 & #2 hose. B-Z!
@iman40194..seriously..FUCK YOU !!!! My last squadron's crash..we lost 27 men...they are all at the bottom of the ocean..no funerals .. so I think you are way ahead on your funeral money..and by the way..if you didn't get it the first time..FUCK YOU !!!!
I'm retired Navy Chief ATC (AW/NAC)..with 6,000 flight hrs...I still get choked up seeing these kids grab those fire hoses and run straight into a fuel fire.... Nobody ever needs to tell me that sailors are any less brave or in danger than any other brsanch of the armed forces.."where do we get such men/ladies" ???
I work for AFN now and we have several spots we air about Navy/Army/Marine/AF core values. I must say the guys & gals do live up to them. It's not just boot camp, but something inside us all, I think.
@flying635 It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units AOA and stay level
@flying635 You're absolutely right. And not only USN men and women are brave. Everywhere in the world the navy men and women are doing a great, tough, and dangerous job. My thoughts and my soul are always with my fellow sailors. May the souls of all the lost sailors rest in peace.
@flying635 your damned right chief. i went into law enforcement after flight deck aviation and have been shot at a few times. the flight deck is more stressfull.
Actually what happened was a miswired trim switch kept nudging him the wrong way. He finally decided to stick over which was too much and caused a stall. That led to his inversion and crash.
derekg18, that's just bullshit. a miswired trim switch would've been discovered no later than immediately after takeoff. you "knew someone involved". wow. he "finally decided to stick over which was too much and caused a stall"? put that right back in your ass whence it came. you're an authoritative idiot.
@carlosb1 - Best I can tell, the aircraft stalled due to excessive angle of attack at low airspeed (I'd guess apx 110 kts). When that happens, esp. in high performance aircraft, one wing may drop before the other. Also that happens if the pilot is trying to turn during the stall. It's also possible there was asymmetric thrust from the two engines, possibly due to a malfunction, as suggested in a few other posts here.
When this happens close to the ground, there's little margin for recovery.
@KutWrite That's a decent explanation on the cause of the aircrafts sudden roll; however, I would like to add some input. In order to maintain altitude while flying at low airspeeds, the pilot must increase the aircraft's angle of attack (or pitch), and in return increase power to compensate for such increase. At this point, the aircraft has entered the back side of the power curve, where the power required to maintain altitude is greater than the power available.
@dominicwastaken It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units aoa
dominicwastaken, while headed in the right direction, most of what you wrote is technically wrong. the back side of the power curve is simply the region where slower level flight requires more power than faster (reverse command), not necessarily the point where level flight isn't possible anymore. while inadequate power for level flight is on the back side of the power curve, it isn't the definition of it. level flight is possible and safe throughout much of the power curve back side.
@KutWrite When the pilot attempted to "wave off" he pushed the throttle forward only to find that it was already fully open, and the only way to get out of the situation is to reduce his angle of attack. Suddenly the pilot finds himself drifting right towards the control tower and instinctively apply's left stick in an attempt to miss it. At this point the aircraft was almost fully stalled and the attempt to turn the aircraft with the ailerons only aggravated the stall further.
@KutWrite When you apply the stick to the left, your left aileron goes up, and your right aileron goes down. In this situation, the right aileron, when position downward, further increased the camber, and angle of attack of the right wing, causing the dramatic roll to the right we saw, which is also know as a spin. This initial right roll is known as the incipient or entry stage of a spin.
@KutWrite It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units AOA and stay level
Ok, let me set some things straight. I was on here when this happened. I was a flight deck yellow shirt. Had a up close and personal view of this. First, the pilot did not eject. The poof of smoke when he inverts is exhaust out of a vent behind canopy. Some one mentioned seeing the body flies into the flames and land. That was ABH3 Tim Garroutte...my friend and co-worker. So were the other 2...Burn and Lisa. And to the polybun clown...you shoulda been an abortion
29-October-1989, The last fatal accident on the U.S.S. Lexington before she retired. Training pilot was the first and only female to be killed on Lexington.
@Polybun you insensitive fuck, lets see you shit talk anybody in the miltary to their face...youll have a K-Bar shoved so far up your ass hole you'll lose your virginity.
BTW, Polybun, with the "K-Bar shoved so far up your ass hole" language jman40194 is referring to the military that supposedly protects your freedom to speak. standard proud admission of ultimate contradiction on behalf of milfare queens. idiocy.
@edxx7 - Not sure if it was the pilot or one of the four souls who were on the flight deck who died. I know one was, not to be gross or disrespectful, basically smeared onto the flight deck by the aircraft. Another was completely burned, and was alive for some time, but about half an hour after the crash, he died as they were getting him onto the helicopter. I was aboard the Lady Lex that day, and it was a horrible event to bear witness to.
damn! U see the guy try to eject but the plane is already inverted! poor guy probably got shot into the deck. the deck crew in the second half of the vid had some balls. they were grabbing the firefighting gear only feet away from the fire.
My uncle mark Ballor was on of the guys right by the crash on deck one of his good friends was kill in this accident they were telling him to wave off but have thought he had radio failure.
As a Flight Surgeon, my sister was undergoing her carrier quals that day. She can be seen sitting in the front seat of the 2nd T-2. Her aircraft was chained to the deck being refueled. She and her instructor jumped from the cockpit into the fire as the foam started. Then she ran forward and began treating the injured. Until seeing this video, I never realized how close it was for her. The final toll was 5 dead and 46 injured, many seriously.
As a Flight Surgeon, my sister was undergoing her carrier quals that day. She can be seen sitting in the front seat of the 2nd T-2. The aircraft was chained to the deck being refueled. She and her instructor jumped from the cockpit into the fire as the foam started. Then she ran forward and began treating the injured. Until seeing this video, I never realized how close it was for her. The final toll was 5 dead and 46 injured, many seriously.
I agree with you and JWD there....it's definitely the student pilot laying there and a fire-fighter concentrating on trying to put out the flames in that spot. Poor guy. Only consolation is I doubt he could have survived that upside down ejection into the deck. I hope they gave a medal to that fire-fighter whoever he was. "Where do we GET such men." James Michener.
I recently reviewed some air disaster records of Polish Air Force Academy. Check this one out... "During landing final one flap extended and the one on the other wing didn't resulting in an uncontrolled roll on low altitude. Pilot died." To die with a feeling you can do nothing at all... But the student on the presented vid could. But waited too long to correct (given that there were no tech failures).
@GSDirtboy Got a link to that because how did he get airborne if that was the case. I just don't buy that explanation. He didn't report anything wrong to the LSO because the LSO was talking about his next pass...what he wanted him to do on his next pass. There was no indication of anything wrong up to that point. How could there have been a problem with his throttles if he had been using them the whole flight up to that point?
@JetMechMA are you a T-2C mech? T-2C Plane Captain? The SNA was Ens Steve Ponsel, VT-19 NAS Meridian two classes ahead of me. They recovered 100% of the incident aircraft. The accident investigation and review board found that the PCL linkages were installed backward. It was determined that the linkages were able to be installed backward in the T-2C and still allow the PCLs to operate, except under certain attitudes would jam in the area where the cables passed through the cockpit bulkhead.
@GSDirtboy Sounds more like a design flaw to me. In this day and age?... to design something that could function well enough to pass all ground ops checks, get airborne and THEN malfunction?.....that's a design flaw and has ZERO to do with maintenance. Like I said, got a link to that? If that is the case, I'd like to read about it. The family would have an open and shut case against the maker of that aircraft. As a juror I'd call it manslaughter.
@KutWrite im sorry...legal action? seriously? im sueing the navy because my son lost control of the plane for being too slow and low, despite the plane itself being fine? how can someone go from mourning to lets sue.....
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x too hell with that, I hope they were forced at gun point to watch it. If they are going to raise a shit head that can't follow directions, they should see the result.
@Polybun You are such an idiot. You have no heart, no appreciation, and NO RESPECT for the military. How can you glorify this young pilot's death and hope that his family was forced to watch it? Mistakes are made when flying, it ain't all magic carpet ride. He was a STUDENT pilot, accidents happen everyday and unfortunately the pilot paid his life for it. You have the balls to say this on youtube, but you wouldn't say shit in real life. You disrespect every military pilot that lost his/her life.
@av8va listen, when you have someone sitting there screaming WAVE OFF WAVE OFF WAVE OFF in your ear and you don't, who's at fault there? If you have mechanical failure on aproach, you grab your dick and get the fuck out of the thing.
without a moments hesitation the flight deck crew went into action and started fighting the fire. most of them are 18,19,20 at most. No regard for their own safety, save the ship at all cost. What a great bunch of kids.
Yea, this is sad... Sucks to see it happen... It does look like he jetisoned the canopy while upside down... If the A.o.A. gauge froze, then that would probably do it for a student pilot. But you'd think A/S would be most important. Oh well, whatever happened, it unfortunately overcame this poor student... I feel for all crewmembers involved this day. Prayers for family...
The first time a student aviator lands on a carrier he's solo. In this particular case the plane had an angle of attack gauge failure(it froze I believe). So that's why he pulled the plane into a stall.
correct me if I'm wrong, but the second camera angle showed what looking like the cockpit of a plane slide along the deck, and when it stoped it looking like a human spilt out compleatly covered in flames. it's 57 sec in.
@vtwinmesa That is known as a departure stall, pull up the specs on the T-2 Buckeye and you can get a pretty good idea what speed he was traveling at!
there was actually an engine throttle malfunction that led to the no-response from LSO power calls. At that point the young man was along for the ride. Tragic, but fortunately no other deaths. Very unforgiving.
A good lesson in what induced drag can do (low aileron on the right wing) at high AOA can do. The LSO commanding a left turn, the pilot not realizing how high alpha he was, and subsequently putting in Left stick caused the departure and right snap roll into the tower. Unfortunate
Poor guy. At least the ejection into the deck ended his misery before the flames got to him. There would be 0% of living through being ejected down into the deck like that.
I saw a T-2 for sale on Courtesy aircraft a while ago for 2 mil or so... wonder who bought it, it was restored to airworthy condition. suprising that you don't see more as there are so many T-28/34 out there.
usmctanks1 1 week ago
There were two fires on the Lincoln when I was on it and they were both out in less than 5 minutes. We give the Grapes a hard time but when the shit hit the fan, those guys were top notch!
bulletstopper636 1 week ago
i love how everyone runs, but to get the hoses to put the fire out, there the real heros !!
wolfe1970 1 month ago
Was there an instructor in the back seat?
mechan9 3 months ago
@mechan9 - No.
I believe an instructor leads the flight in a separate aircraft. They used to, anyway.
In any case, the LSOs (Landing Signal Officers) guide them verbally. That's whom you hear on the radio asking for power, etc.
KutWrite 2 months ago
30 years and 11 overseas deployments (and GOD Knows how many short carrier qualification detatchments) on everything from the USS Kitty Hawk to the USS Reagan. Serious work in an extremely dangerous environment. Maybe not front-line combat, but you lived with this 24/7 for months at a time. NEVER any any room for complacency.
mgwilliams1000 3 months ago
it looks like the power was cut for a split second..that was the moment where everybody should realize-something wrong-abort-turn left-cuz to try and fail is to try and die when you on deck..
when they finally yell the wave-off its far too late..
poor guys
Spionsilver 4 months ago
The canopies of the other aircraft were jettisoned by the other student pilots who were either waiting to be catapulted, or had just landed. The pilot who crashed (sorry I know it is grisley) can be seen engulfed in flames in the second shot. God bless he or she and the families of all involved.
THEORIGINALEXSCAPER 4 months ago
Did the flight student got disoriented that's why he crashed ?
utah65 5 months ago
at 0:13 he ejected.
mamalugi12 6 months ago
Very sad but this guy, there were cross winds and he pulled up with the wind under the aircraft forcing a hard stall, after investigation they found out that the student hit the stick while going for the eject...
Rijelthelovefool 6 months ago
He ejected straight down on the deck!!!....R.I.P.
vikingfan7777 6 months ago
That was a very sad and tragic day. I was stationed on the Lady Lex when it happened. I was in A-gang, everyone responded quickly to their duty stations.
eck968 6 months ago
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very nice, less animals to bomb innocent people!!!
danrodrigues 7 months ago
@danrodrigues you are a dumbshit to the max
adventurous63 7 months ago
@danrodrigues you should try cyanide, i think youd like it!
stephenpprice 7 months ago
@danrodrigues
And if we kill you, less douchebags in the world.
yomamasofat1000 6 months ago
@danrodrigues Question, have you ever had a loved one who was burned to death? If by some miracle the pilot survived the ejection, at least he was knocked out so he never felt the flames. But of course you are more interested is scoring political left wing points that having any hint of humanity. I'm glad I don't live in the stale, lifeless and retarded world you apparently inhabit.
Blain1971 6 months ago
He should have waved off' and he didnt.
chet900 7 months ago
@chet900
He initiated the waveoff when the LSO directed him to as you can hear in the audio. Before that, the LSO says "working on speed" meaning he was getting too slow and needed increase airspeed. He attempted to waveoff to the left away from the super structure of the ship but by doing that at such a high angle of attack, he stalled the right wing once the aileron dropped down. The aircraft then departed controlled flight.
CorpsPlaneFlyer 7 months ago
No way did he survive. There is just no way.
mystinger72 7 months ago
omg, did he died?
einsteinboricua 8 months ago
@einsteinboricua - Sadly, yes.
KutWrite 8 months ago
@einsteinboricua
eck968 6 months ago
@ :17 you see two long object flying through the air. Are those canopies popping into the air?
smithraymond09029 8 months ago
@smithraymond09029 Yes - you can see from the other view, the canopies of at least one of the tied down aircraft popping off in the moments right after the accident. Not an expert on ejection mechanisms so I'm not quite sure what would have caused this to happen.
SkepticAll 5 months ago
did he survive?
TalTxD 9 months ago
@TalTxD - You do know the meaning of the word "fatal," right?
KutWrite 9 months ago
@KutWrite
sorry , i don't , i'm not american. i think it's something that will lead to something.
TalTxD 9 months ago
@TalTxD - It's in the description of the video.
To save you time - he died, as did a few of the shipmates. Details are in the comments below.
KutWrite 9 months ago
@KutWrite
oh..
so sad :(
TalTxD 9 months ago
@TalTxD The word FATAL is not used only in English language... However your written English is pretty good. Take a break from guitar and brush-up, also in other domains of life.
ALEXBAB1 8 months ago
@ALEXBAB1
Trust me, i'm not stuck on the guitar. i'm learning and my English is pretty good , even that I didn't connect between FATAL and FATALI - the hebrew way to say that. You can't just say: "this guy will have no education and street-cleverness because he plays the guitar everyday-all day long"
TalTxD 8 months ago
@TalTxD I trust you. I just wanted to make a joke. Sorry if I offended you.
ALEXBAB1 8 months ago
@ALEXBAB1
it's ok.
TalTxD 8 months ago
@TalTxD Good form. I hate all the fighting going on here. Glad to see two folks sort out a misunderstanding properly.
dayradio65 8 months ago 3
@KutWrite
and i also can't find where the word "fatal" is written in the video ..
TalTxD 9 months ago
I think so.
Read the other comments. Some are from people who were on the flight deck during this crash.
KutWrite 9 months ago
Is that the pilots body @0:59?
PIlotrcm 9 months ago
I was at the helm when this happened. Worst day of my life. T-2 Buckeyes are the most dangerous thing we ever trapped. Also, they had the least experienced pilots. I always thought they should've started them in the A-4s. My aft lookout (SN Gary Countryman) was literally inches from where the plane hit the island. If you watch closely, you'll see it took only 20 seconds to man #1 & #2 hose. B-Z!
AK4715215 9 months ago 2
@iman40194..seriously..FUCK YOU !!!! My last squadron's crash..we lost 27 men...they are all at the bottom of the ocean..no funerals .. so I think you are way ahead on your funeral money..and by the way..if you didn't get it the first time..FUCK YOU !!!!
flying635 10 months ago
Awesome job by the guys on deck. Balls of steel.
aligerous 10 months ago
I'm retired Navy Chief ATC (AW/NAC)..with 6,000 flight hrs...I still get choked up seeing these kids grab those fire hoses and run straight into a fuel fire.... Nobody ever needs to tell me that sailors are any less brave or in danger than any other brsanch of the armed forces.."where do we get such men/ladies" ???
flying635 10 months ago 24
@flying635 - Yes, their valor is amazing.
I work for AFN now and we have several spots we air about Navy/Army/Marine/AF core values. I must say the guys & gals do live up to them. It's not just boot camp, but something inside us all, I think.
Thanks, Chief, for your service!
KutWrite 10 months ago
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@flying635 It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units AOA and stay level
williamallardyce 10 months ago
@flying635 You're absolutely right. And not only USN men and women are brave. Everywhere in the world the navy men and women are doing a great, tough, and dangerous job. My thoughts and my soul are always with my fellow sailors. May the souls of all the lost sailors rest in peace.
ALEXBAB1 8 months ago
@flying635 your damned right chief. i went into law enforcement after flight deck aviation and have been shot at a few times. the flight deck is more stressfull.
Tarten46 8 months ago
@flying635 I hear ya Chief. We risk our lives anytime we launch or recover.
ashure36 3 months ago
Actually what happened was a miswired trim switch kept nudging him the wrong way. He finally decided to stick over which was too much and caused a stall. That led to his inversion and crash.
I knew someone involved.
derekg18 11 months ago
derekg18, that's just bullshit. a miswired trim switch would've been discovered no later than immediately after takeoff. you "knew someone involved". wow. he "finally decided to stick over which was too much and caused a stall"? put that right back in your ass whence it came. you're an authoritative idiot.
2ndAsstJizzMopper 9 months ago
did he died?
Marco81blues 11 months ago
@Marco81blues
nytimes.com/1989/10/30/us/training-jet-crash-kills-5-on-carrier.html
Rafal28waw 10 months ago
Can someone explain to me shy the plane flipped..is it becuase of the wind? Also, how much speed is the jet flyin when landing? TY
carlosb1 11 months ago
@carlosb1 - Best I can tell, the aircraft stalled due to excessive angle of attack at low airspeed (I'd guess apx 110 kts). When that happens, esp. in high performance aircraft, one wing may drop before the other. Also that happens if the pilot is trying to turn during the stall. It's also possible there was asymmetric thrust from the two engines, possibly due to a malfunction, as suggested in a few other posts here.
When this happens close to the ground, there's little margin for recovery.
KutWrite 11 months ago
@KutWrite That's a decent explanation on the cause of the aircrafts sudden roll; however, I would like to add some input. In order to maintain altitude while flying at low airspeeds, the pilot must increase the aircraft's angle of attack (or pitch), and in return increase power to compensate for such increase. At this point, the aircraft has entered the back side of the power curve, where the power required to maintain altitude is greater than the power available.
dominicwastaken 11 months ago
@dominicwastaken It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units aoa
williamallardyce 10 months ago
dominicwastaken, while headed in the right direction, most of what you wrote is technically wrong. the back side of the power curve is simply the region where slower level flight requires more power than faster (reverse command), not necessarily the point where level flight isn't possible anymore. while inadequate power for level flight is on the back side of the power curve, it isn't the definition of it. level flight is possible and safe throughout much of the power curve back side.
2ndAsstJizzMopper 9 months ago
@KutWrite When the pilot attempted to "wave off" he pushed the throttle forward only to find that it was already fully open, and the only way to get out of the situation is to reduce his angle of attack. Suddenly the pilot finds himself drifting right towards the control tower and instinctively apply's left stick in an attempt to miss it. At this point the aircraft was almost fully stalled and the attempt to turn the aircraft with the ailerons only aggravated the stall further.
dominicwastaken 11 months ago
@KutWrite When you apply the stick to the left, your left aileron goes up, and your right aileron goes down. In this situation, the right aileron, when position downward, further increased the camber, and angle of attack of the right wing, causing the dramatic roll to the right we saw, which is also know as a spin. This initial right roll is known as the incipient or entry stage of a spin.
dominicwastaken 11 months ago
@KutWrite It may have had damage to the starboard aileron balance panel (cloth panel from the leading edge of the aileron to the rear wing spar it keeps high pressure air on the bottom of the aileron).
I was in VT-26 in the early 80's and we had a T-2 that did the same thing it would roll so fast to port above 21 units AOA that the canopy smacks you in the head, discovered a 4" hole in the port balance panel after replacing the panel it go all the way to 24-25 units AOA and stay level
williamallardyce 10 months ago
Good job kid and fuck you too kid stupid ass mother fucker
zzztubazzz 1 year ago
Ok, let me set some things straight. I was on here when this happened. I was a flight deck yellow shirt. Had a up close and personal view of this. First, the pilot did not eject. The poof of smoke when he inverts is exhaust out of a vent behind canopy. Some one mentioned seeing the body flies into the flames and land. That was ABH3 Tim Garroutte...my friend and co-worker. So were the other 2...Burn and Lisa. And to the polybun clown...you shoulda been an abortion
1eaglez 1 year ago
@1eaglez - Thanks for the information. Sorry for the loss of your friends. There were many brave sailors on deck that day.
KutWrite 1 year ago
@KutWrite - Only thing, you can see his canopy jettison just as he's fully inverted. That's why I suggested he initiated ejection.
KutWrite 1 year ago
@KutWrite When did this happen? Is this event famous? What's it called?
AugustusDragonSpirit 1 year ago
29-October-1989, The last fatal accident on the U.S.S. Lexington before she retired. Training pilot was the first and only female to be killed on Lexington.
Schucky911 1 year ago
Schucky911, details crossed there. dead:
Pilot, Ens. Steven E. Pontell, 23, of Columbia, Md.
Petty Officer 3rd Class Burnett Kilgore Jr., 19, of Holly Springs, Miss.
Petty Officer 3rd Class Timmy L. Garroutte, 30, of Memphis, Tenn
Airman Lisa L. Mayo, 25, of Oklahoma City
Byron Gervis Courvelle, 32, of Meridian, Miss., civilian employee of DynCorp
2ndAsstJizzMopper 1 year ago
@2ndAsstJizzMopper Well, I'll send the bill to the fammilies.
Polybun 1 year ago
well shit, there went a whole bunch of my tax dollars.
Polybun 1 year ago
@Polybun You piece of shit.
ironhorzmn 1 year ago
@Polybun ...there goes 5 human lives...are your tax dollars more important than those?
jman40194 1 year ago
@jman40194 Yes, they are. I hate seeing my money wasted. That's 5 funerals I just had to pay for. It's even worse now.
Polybun 1 year ago
@Polybun you insensitive fuck, lets see you shit talk anybody in the miltary to their face...youll have a K-Bar shoved so far up your ass hole you'll lose your virginity.
jman40194 1 year ago
BTW, Polybun, with the "K-Bar shoved so far up your ass hole" language jman40194 is referring to the military that supposedly protects your freedom to speak. standard proud admission of ultimate contradiction on behalf of milfare queens. idiocy.
2ndAsstJizzMopper 9 months ago
on sec 0:57 -1:04 is the pilot burning it looks like a arm an leg ?
edxx7 1 year ago
@edxx7 - Not sure if it was the pilot or one of the four souls who were on the flight deck who died. I know one was, not to be gross or disrespectful, basically smeared onto the flight deck by the aircraft. Another was completely burned, and was alive for some time, but about half an hour after the crash, he died as they were getting him onto the helicopter. I was aboard the Lady Lex that day, and it was a horrible event to bear witness to.
777pusher 1 year ago
damn! U see the guy try to eject but the plane is already inverted! poor guy probably got shot into the deck. the deck crew in the second half of the vid had some balls. they were grabbing the firefighting gear only feet away from the fire.
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
damn! the deck crew in the second half of the vid had some balls. they were grabbing the firefighting gear only feet away from the fire.
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
Holy crap.
nighthawk006phoenix 1 year ago
ok n/m it was October 29, 1989
ChannelingusIV 1 year ago
When did this happen? What year
ChannelingusIV 1 year ago
i heard in a forum that his AOA indicator was incorretly instaled :S.
leonelp51 1 year ago
My uncle mark Ballor was on of the guys right by the crash on deck one of his good friends was kill in this accident they were telling him to wave off but have thought he had radio failure.
JeffreyBallor 1 year ago
As a Flight Surgeon, my sister was undergoing her carrier quals that day. She can be seen sitting in the front seat of the 2nd T-2. Her aircraft was chained to the deck being refueled. She and her instructor jumped from the cockpit into the fire as the foam started. Then she ran forward and began treating the injured. Until seeing this video, I never realized how close it was for her. The final toll was 5 dead and 46 injured, many seriously.
Grnbyrd 1 year ago
As a Flight Surgeon, my sister was undergoing her carrier quals that day. She can be seen sitting in the front seat of the 2nd T-2. The aircraft was chained to the deck being refueled. She and her instructor jumped from the cockpit into the fire as the foam started. Then she ran forward and began treating the injured. Until seeing this video, I never realized how close it was for her. The final toll was 5 dead and 46 injured, many seriously.
Grnbyrd 1 year ago
@Grnbyrd She's very lucky to be alive
ChannelingusIV 1 year ago
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Grnbyrd 1 year ago
I agree with you and JWD there....it's definitely the student pilot laying there and a fire-fighter concentrating on trying to put out the flames in that spot. Poor guy. Only consolation is I doubt he could have survived that upside down ejection into the deck. I hope they gave a medal to that fire-fighter whoever he was. "Where do we GET such men." James Michener.
JetMechMA 1 year ago 2
I recently reviewed some air disaster records of Polish Air Force Academy. Check this one out... "During landing final one flap extended and the one on the other wing didn't resulting in an uncontrolled roll on low altitude. Pilot died." To die with a feeling you can do nothing at all... But the student on the presented vid could. But waited too long to correct (given that there were no tech failures).
Tome4kkkk 1 year ago
Damn :(
Tome4kkkk 1 year ago
Personally I would have waved it off...
milesscunthorpe 1 year ago 2
@milesscunthorpe right, very convincing video to wave it off :D
Baalika 1 year ago
Investigation found that the PCL control cables were installed backward. SNA attempted to power up and the cables jammed.
GSDirtboy 1 year ago
@GSDirtboy Got a link to that because how did he get airborne if that was the case. I just don't buy that explanation. He didn't report anything wrong to the LSO because the LSO was talking about his next pass...what he wanted him to do on his next pass. There was no indication of anything wrong up to that point. How could there have been a problem with his throttles if he had been using them the whole flight up to that point?
JetMechMA 1 year ago 2
@JetMechMA are you a T-2C mech? T-2C Plane Captain? The SNA was Ens Steve Ponsel, VT-19 NAS Meridian two classes ahead of me. They recovered 100% of the incident aircraft. The accident investigation and review board found that the PCL linkages were installed backward. It was determined that the linkages were able to be installed backward in the T-2C and still allow the PCLs to operate, except under certain attitudes would jam in the area where the cables passed through the cockpit bulkhead.
GSDirtboy 1 year ago
@GSDirtboy Sounds more like a design flaw to me. In this day and age?... to design something that could function well enough to pass all ground ops checks, get airborne and THEN malfunction?.....that's a design flaw and has ZERO to do with maintenance. Like I said, got a link to that? If that is the case, I'd like to read about it. The family would have an open and shut case against the maker of that aircraft. As a juror I'd call it manslaughter.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA What are you talking about? Do some research dude
ingramlove 1 year ago
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JetMechMA 1 year ago
I hope his family didn't have to see this.....
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 1 year ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x I understand they officially requested a copy. I think they at least considered legal action.
KutWrite 1 year ago
@KutWrite Gosh that must've been devastating for his family to watch this.....
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 1 year ago
@KutWrite im sorry...legal action? seriously? im sueing the navy because my son lost control of the plane for being too slow and low, despite the plane itself being fine? how can someone go from mourning to lets sue.....
abhiginimav 1 year ago
@xTomcatsForeverVF84x too hell with that, I hope they were forced at gun point to watch it. If they are going to raise a shit head that can't follow directions, they should see the result.
Polybun 1 year ago
@Polybun You are such an idiot. You have no heart, no appreciation, and NO RESPECT for the military. How can you glorify this young pilot's death and hope that his family was forced to watch it? Mistakes are made when flying, it ain't all magic carpet ride. He was a STUDENT pilot, accidents happen everyday and unfortunately the pilot paid his life for it. You have the balls to say this on youtube, but you wouldn't say shit in real life. You disrespect every military pilot that lost his/her life.
xTomcatsForeverVF84x 1 year ago
One of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen, made by someone who's obviously never flown an aircraft. Just plain nasty and stupid...!
av8va 1 year ago
@av8va listen, when you have someone sitting there screaming WAVE OFF WAVE OFF WAVE OFF in your ear and you don't, who's at fault there? If you have mechanical failure on aproach, you grab your dick and get the fuck out of the thing.
Polybun 1 year ago
nasty!
dorbot 1 year ago
without a moments hesitation the flight deck crew went into action and started fighting the fire. most of them are 18,19,20 at most. No regard for their own safety, save the ship at all cost. What a great bunch of kids.
shadowkalsu2007 1 year ago 7
Yea, this is sad... Sucks to see it happen... It does look like he jetisoned the canopy while upside down... If the A.o.A. gauge froze, then that would probably do it for a student pilot. But you'd think A/S would be most important. Oh well, whatever happened, it unfortunately overcame this poor student... I feel for all crewmembers involved this day. Prayers for family...
bronco8585 1 year ago
@bronco8585 - Yes, the scan is ship/airspeed/altitude/attitude (AoA).
KutWrite 1 year ago
@bronco8585 We use AOA at the boat. Airspeed is really only crosschecked against AOA when the landing checklist is completed.
C420sailor 1 year ago
The first time a student aviator lands on a carrier he's solo. In this particular case the plane had an angle of attack gauge failure(it froze I believe). So that's why he pulled the plane into a stall.
ryank289 1 year ago
No easy days...& this wasn't even a night case III approach.
8fox261 1 year ago
hi there umm... do u know when this video was first taken?
AugustusDragonSpirit 1 year ago
Oh god! Is... is that the pilot burning in the bottom left corner at :58...?
Ralroost 1 year ago
@Ralroost
same what I thought at first view!
Thaurus1969 1 year ago
I did see the canopy pop off before the plane hit the deck I don't think the seat came out.
USSGeorgewashington 2 years ago
correct me if I'm wrong, but the second camera angle showed what looking like the cockpit of a plane slide along the deck, and when it stoped it looking like a human spilt out compleatly covered in flames. it's 57 sec in.
jwdmg23 2 years ago
The description said that he ejected upside down and he either splattered himself on the deck or fell into the ocean.
MapleSephiroth 2 years ago
I disagree with "Maple" below and agree with you.
It looks to me that the ejection didn't complete, and he is indeed partway on the deck.
The efforts to still extract him from the flames are truly brave.
KutWrite 2 years ago
@KutWrite do you know if anyone died there?
lexlov250 2 years ago
I know the student died.
AJSimpson92x below says 4 others were killed.
KutWrite 2 years ago
I can't see the efforts.... Also wouldn't a back seater have been flying with him?
Ralroost 1 year ago
I was on the deck when this happened i was wearing a green shirt. And it was the Lady Lex.
qcjeilance 2 years ago 2
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bravo ben laden ! porte avion touché
trinitron 2 years ago
Oh my goodness! This is so extremely sad!
Blessings and prayers,
Linda K.
birdlady423 2 years ago 3
you guy are a douche
love jed
ninjajed 2 years ago
fucking terrorists!!!!!!!!
love jed
ninjajed 2 years ago
Any one know what ship this was I am thinking because of the date that it was the USS Lexington CVT-16.
jreineke2 2 years ago
Yep...Lady Lex. I was on there when this happened. Flight deck yellow shirt.
1eaglez 2 years ago
Although it appeared so, he didn't eject into the deck. It was his wing exploding when it hit the island.
The pilot and four others were killed.
You can see after the crash that two canopies are jetisonned into the air by crews trying to egress from their planes.
AJSimpson92x 2 years ago
What jet was that?
jetstorm22 2 years ago
T-2 Buckeye
sakoshooter48 2 years ago
cant believe how fast it rotated , at landing speed !! wouldnt believe
vtwinmesa 2 years ago 6
@vtwinmesa That's what happens during a stall :/
Ownage2themax3 1 year ago
@vtwinmesa That is known as a departure stall, pull up the specs on the T-2 Buckeye and you can get a pretty good idea what speed he was traveling at!
sakoshooter48 1 year ago
Professional and brave response from the Flight Deck Party - very very fast responses.
Nostrinian 2 years ago 10
there was actually an engine throttle malfunction that led to the no-response from LSO power calls. At that point the young man was along for the ride. Tragic, but fortunately no other deaths. Very unforgiving.
carlinaflyboy 2 years ago 3
Emergency response was promt and professional. No cowards. The best NAVY in the world.
8av8today 2 years ago 2
A good lesson in what induced drag can do (low aileron on the right wing) at high AOA can do. The LSO commanding a left turn, the pilot not realizing how high alpha he was, and subsequently putting in Left stick caused the departure and right snap roll into the tower. Unfortunate
mvrk151 2 years ago 2
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What a dumbass... He ruined a perfectly good airplane and flight deck. Now someone else gets a flight school slot.
atlcrashpad 2 years ago
Poor guy. At least the ejection into the deck ended his misery before the flames got to him. There would be 0% of living through being ejected down into the deck like that.
Blain1971 2 years ago
I would have gotten the crap scared out of me to see a biga ass plane lik that flying toward me!!!
SleepyDaBear 2 years ago 2
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jstrahan2 2 years ago
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I guess he didn't pass.
jstrahan2 2 years ago
His brother was killed at Pentagon on9/11/2001.
badta00 2 years ago
damage control teams had great response time
izzySSM 2 years ago
That is why they always train for such times like this. Time is of the essence.
StLouisEarl 2 years ago
You have verything right except he didnt eject; his canopy just blew off.
But yes it is quite sad and the fact this is the brother of someone who later died in 9/11, god bless the family.
xNlKEx 2 years ago 2
God Bless them! Especially that pilot RIP!
burner12 2 years ago 2
OMG!!!!! My dad is in this video!!!! I have been looking for this for along time!!!
fish4kbcf 2 years ago