Debate Panel on Israel: Norman Finkelstein & Wolf Blitzer- 3

[CommanderThsh]

I like how at the end wolf trys to interplay and use the jewish media as being unfair to Israel lmao

REALLY NOW

Was that the best lie you can think of

[gosillygirl]

Wolf is little bitch. isreal's bitch.

[othishka]

I am sorry wolf, you are really an ASS!

[DARKNESS7STRIKE]

Israel will destroy itself

We Muslims are only Snhtse tea and watching it and its allies, terrorists are falling like flies

[capeside]

I agree with Wolf Blitzer. Why is no one calling the Janjaweed in Darfur Nazis, or the Russians in Georgia? Why is no one boycotting China for their actions in Tibet or Turkey for what they're doing in Cypress? Far more civilians are killed in Iraq and Afghanistan than in Gaza. The UN doesn't do shit to any of them, so why condemn Israel all the time? People seem to focus on Israel all the time and I don't get it.

[robnaro]

@capeside Are you serious? Have you bothered to study the international response to Darfur? Have you ever even heard of the ICC? Were you not aware of the calls for a boycott of the Olympics to stop the Chinese from selling arms to the Sudanese government? You really must be dense to think Palestine gets more coverage. I hear about Iraq and Afghanistan every day as does everyone else. In the US we hardly ever hear any opposition to Israel in the mainstream media or by our politicians.

[capeside]

@robnaro But still, there have been 600,000 people murdered in Darfur . And yet i guess some people actually feel as though what israel is doing is just as bad. to call the israelis nazis (like finkelstein does) is super offensive. there's no genocide or holocaust happening there. Plus the americans have killed soooo many more civilians in iraq and obviously no one is going to boycott the u.s. or call them nazis.

[robnaro]

@capeside Where are you getting 600,000 from? What is offensive is any time innocent people are suffering and dying. Calling someone a name isn't worth getting upset about. As an American I am outraged that American money funds this occupation and murder. If American money was buying black hawk helicopters so the Janjaweed's could mow down children you would see a lot more visceral opposition.

[capeside]

@robnaro 600000 is from some random article i read. i just checked it again and there are estimates ranging from 200000-700000 online. the us has done so many worse things than israel.... like the war in iraq, nuked two cities, completely got rid of hundreds of thousands of indigenous native americans. so why is it that people are just now saying boycott israel and calling them nazis. also, i usually dont get upset about name calling, but the word "nazi" hurts like a bitch if you're jewish

[robnaro]

@capeside The US has murdered an incredible amount of innocent people and wrought Havoc all across the world. I would never dispute this or try to whitewash it. The perpetrators of the wars in the Middle East should be brought to justice. Using the term label of nazi holds little or no interest for me. It would be just as satisfying to see WASP's like GW Bush imprisoned and punished for their crimes as it would to see Jew's like Ehud Barak. They are both murderers and enemies of peace.

[capeside]

@robnaro well, should we lock up the leaders of hamas and of al queda? tony blair? russian leadership for their crimes in georgia? turkish for what they're doing to the kurds and cypress? canadian leaders in iraq? listen man, war sucks, but how merciful do you expect any army to be? we would have to lock up a whole lot of heads of state man.

[robnaro]

@capeside Who is we? I'm a US citizen so I feel the US should hold its leaders accountable for their actions. What the rest of the world does we (US) can't control. We have millions in our prisons who's crimes do not even register when compared to the deaths our Presidents & congress men/women have caused. It wouldn't be difficult to prosecute them. On the original topic which was Israel's war crimes, we should not fund them or support them politically for their occupation & murder.

[capeside]

@robnaro believe me, i don't like war either, but we both know what would happen if the occupation ended and we let the palestinians freely into israel. israel has a right to exist in my opinion and for it to exist, the occupation has to be there. as for prosecuting u.s. leaders for past wars (and current) how the fuck would that be easy? maybe in your version of a perfect world, but keep in mind that most people dont feel like you or bush would be locked up in jail

[robnaro]

@capeside Ending the occupation & letting the Palestinians into Israel are 2 different things. It will end. The longer it goes, the worse it will be when it ends. Prosecuting leaders is easy. The judicial system is very capable & also the ICC if necessary. If we had impeachment for Clinton because of sex, we can handle murder. I didn't mention my version of a perfect world. How do you know how most people feel? Most people don't have the power to put Bush in jail. That's why he is free.

[capeside]

@robnaro it will end whenever the palestinians commit to peace and use the billions of dollars donated to them to build a society instead of trying to destroy one.

as for bush, i also think that he's a lying scumbag. but it would be insane to lock him up. should we lock up all past leaders who have been in a war? or have broken international law? there are hundreds in this world and many are still very popular. think about the backlash from the right trying to lock up bush for iraq.

[robnaro]

@capeside You are the worst kind of hypocrite. You talk of an occupied people committing to peace while you shudder at the thought of one of the world's biggest terrorists being locked up. You wouldn't know justice if you saw it.

[capeside]

@robnaro hey, no need for name calling.... all im saying is that the aplestinians could be the singapore of the middle east if they knew how to spend money. the only reason theyre occupied is because they can't commit to peace. and i dont know why you think that i shudder at locking anyone up. i never said it would be a bad idea.... just very hard to accomplish.

[robnaro]

@capeside "i never said it would be a bad idea.... " - but it would be insane to lock him up." add liar to hypocrite. The average palestinian hasn't seen any of that aid. How can you compare Singapore which has been free for over 40 years with Palestine which has been occupied for over 60? Who gets more aid, Palestine or Israel? You really should get all the facts before you make nonsensical statements.

[capeside]

@robnaro i only said that i think it would be insane because he has a lot of supporters and they would go nuts..... shit man. read what i say before you call me awful things. that really is an asshole move man. its offensive to me. and the palestinians havent seen that aid because hamas, their government, takes it and uses it to blow things up. just because israel gets more aid, doesnt mean theyre wrong.... i dont know why that's relevant at all. palestinians would be free if they were peaceful.

[robnaro]

@capeside Israel is wrong because no one has a right to occupy another people's land for 60 years & hold them hostage. No one has a right to murder innocent people who are struggling for their freedom. Your statement about Palestinians being free if they were peaceful is more absurd than your hypocrisy & lies. I'm starting to think you're putting me on. I truly hope you don't mean what you say & you're just playing the devil's advocate. Just be careful in keeping company with the devil.

[capeside]

@robnaro why is it absurd?

[robnaro]

@capeside It is absurd to claim that any people deserves occupation. It is absurd to argue that the Palestinians are a special case because of violence. If held by the same standard the Zionists & Jews in general fail as well. The Jews violently resisted the Romans, Byzantines, Crusaders & in recent times the British and the Arabs. For many periods during history Muslims, Christians & Jews lived in peace & even fought together at times against foreign invaders while living in Palestine.

[allianceFiLifeDotCom]

what the fuck is Wolf Bitchass talking about...So Israel should be able to kill people like in Rwanda and no news coverage? My god dude stop it.

[SamDaPsy]

@aymannj86

Funny, isn't it? That's what you get with commercial media.

[slanker786]

لا استسلام ، لا استسلام

[NotSoLiberal]

So Wolf suggests that the media should ignore "mistakes" by the Israeli government just to be on equal coverage with tragedies in Burundy. Interesting.

[SweetDissident]

7:50- ish: Did Blitzer just insinuate that Israel's neighbors are "dogs" in his estimation? What an unwise metaphor on his part!

[ANTIDALLARD]

He completely side stepped the question, about the IRGUN, Stern gang and early Israeli terrorism.

[zebdmaya]

yep he did that what an ass

[muslim610]

Professor finkelstein is excellent.Wolf got served on a plate like some sushi with some pickled ginger & wasbi.....LOL....thanks for the video bro.

[WingThaiJ]

Interesting, Dershowitz was clutching at straws against Dershowitz made a fool of himself trying to claim plagiarism etc.. pathetic.

[TheHarlequin13]

Hardly. The plagiarism charge has been demonstrated. However "the real issue is Israel's human rights record", as Norman Finkelstein correctly observes. The bulk of his book, Beyond Chutzpah, is devoted to destroying Dershowitz's "Case For Israel" and does so quite conclusively.

[WingThaiJ]

Only if you choose to believe this

[TheHarlequin13]

Nope, it's all their in black and white. While Dershowitz cites dubious sources like Op-Eds in local newspapers to back up his spurious claims, Finkelstein draws on a mountain of evidence from human rights organisations.

[TheHarlequin13]

Your email proved nothing of the sort. It is poorly edited copypasta, the bulk of which is a critique of Chomskyan linguistics - something I have little interest in, or anything to do with Finkelstein's work for that matter - and a silly conspiracy theory about Chomsky telling Finkelstein to attack pro-Israeli authors. What little does deal with Finkelstein's writings is little more than appeals to authority and the revelation that Finkelstein has a penchant for hyperbole.

[fileboy2002]

Isreal is indeed held up to a different standard. No other country receives $3-5 billion dollars a year from US taxpayers; no other country is gets political cover from the US at the UN no matter what it does. The facts are the opposite of what Blitzer asserts.

[hanysal]

All of Africa doesn't get 1/4 of what Israel receives from the US (Simply because Israel is now considered just a HUGE US airBase in the middle-east to keep the oil).

[WingThaiJ]

No other country in the world gives back anything from what they get. Science, Medical Invention, etc..., what have the surrounding Arab countries offered to the rest of the world? Suicide/Murder bombings is all they have? Oil?Israel invests it's money in America.

[fileboy2002]

What's really sad is that in Israel, it is okat to criticize the government. In the US, to criticize Israel makes you a Nazi. Now, some critics of Israel in the US are Nazis. But most aren't. LIke my Israel friend once said, for Israeli's, their country real place with both good and bad. For many in the US, it is a mythical Holy Land.

[WingThaiJ]

It IS OK to criticize the government, that's why it's a democracy, you can do that. However, there is much many don't consider about Finkelstein; I'll email you just a bit of that info.

[bapyou]

Yeah. Israel invests in America alright. They invest in America by buying American bombs, guns, & other military equipment/planes/etc.

They do this"investment"/buying using the billions of dollars the U.S. gives to Israel in aid.

Is that a circular economic relationship or what?

So what, exactly, does the United States give to the world besides death and destruction? The U.S. is the greatest supplier/manufacturer of munitions/arms in the world. Out greatest export is death.

[TissuePrices]

blitzer is the dog

[truefaith2]

Wolf Blitzer, israel has been hiding the truth since 1947 forget 1989 or 2009 do you remember nakba were israeli zionist killed innocent woman & children. it was done intentionally because they learned it from the nazis..

[JohnnyRock2000]

On the question of accuracy of media portrayal of the uprising in the occupied territories, Blitzer does a complete Dershowitz by totally ignoring the question and instead suggests nothing about the accuracy but that there is too much news coverage. As if journalists should just quiet down about the whole thing. Quiet down about the cause of the next world war?

[JohnnyRock2000]

Jerusalem is Israel's capital? How many world embassies are in Jerusalem?

[blite13]

Let's face it. The Arabs know what zionists represent. The rest of the world is very slow to come around but we are highly subjected to very biased reporting.Zionists are evil in every way.Why do the USA give them the world?Is the USA really owned by the zionists, they have taken over the country? s now being used to fight against the mideast for Israel?If Israel was not able to manipulate and deceit,the Arabs know this,the world would show them no mercy. Would blow away the anti semite garbage.

[fathead8489]

Wolf is a joke of a reported and a poor excuse for a human being.

[BBOYMONI]

"..i do not wish to see the realization of Zionism in the form of the new Polish state with Arabs in the position of Jews and Jews in the position of Poles, the ruling people. For me this would be the complete perversion of the Zionist ideal. Our generation has been witness to the fact that nations asapiring to freedom who threw off the yoke of subjugation rushed to place this yoke on the shoulders of others.

[BBOYMONI]

(continued)...Over the generations in which we were persecuted and exiled and slaughtered, we learned not only the pain of exile and subjugation, but also contempt for tyranny. Was that only a case of sour grapes? Are we now nuturing the dream of slaves who wish to reign?" Katznelson, Maipai, 1931.

[BBOYMONI]

Also, see World Court rulings as well.

[BBOYMONI]

The Arabs could learn a lot from Israel's democratic political system, thats true. Israel has long record of violating international law. Countless UN resloutions have specifically requested them to withdraw from the occupied territories but they refuse and have built settlements and roads connecting the settlements covering 42% of the West Bank. Jimmy Carter in his book points out they have violated peace agreements at every stage. This is supported by the documentary record.

[BBOYMONI]

"...a meeting to just attack Jews..."

Yeah, thats why they got a highly respected Jewish scholar to participate. Genius!

[karlobarlo]

hahaha its amazing how obvious it is that Finklestein made mincemeat out of Blitzer here! Yet some people here still cling to their zionist bullshit! When presented with the facts, like Blitzer was, they crumble!

[BBOYMONI]

Everyone on the panel had a chance to speak without being interupted. If Blitzer can't form a logical argument then what does that say about the strength of his argument? Also, everyone else had to correct Blitzer's distortions on the truth.

[BBOYMONI]

Well if you can't form a logical argument then I guess you're gonna try and distort the issue! I never said there would not be any conflicts, nor do I wish to see Israel wiped off the map. As for those other conflicts, I would hope they are resolved ASAP but as already mentioned, there is good reason that more intelligent people than you and I focus on this one. There is no other country in the world that has a record if such lawlessness like Israel, there has never been anything to match it.

[BBOYMONI]

As Tony Blair (your president's closest ally) pointed out when he was Prime Minister, if you solve this particular conflict then you solve a LOT of the problems of the middle east and stop a lot of the tensions between those countries and the west. You really should not be posting comments if you don't know basic facts like this!

[fleontrotsky]

sure, if you don't consider facts to be true.

[BBOYMONI]

Your ignorance is stunning! There is good reason why the western world concentrates on this particular conflict. Also, did you not hear the immediate response in part 4 of this debate by Zafar Bangash?

[bitchaches]

Haha Norman is awesome. Blitzer is so full of shit

[MopacMurtaza]

Why dont these Zionists go themselves and fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and later on Iran.. Fucking cowards dont have any fucking courage always sending other peoples children away!!

[SewnSeed]

Blitzer looks like the lawyer for the devil.

[DaMemphisChannel]

in your face wolf!

[shaneshu]

let us not forget Robert Fisk, also a reputable source on this issue!

[frits1234567890]

zionist-corrupt journalist-former aipac lobby man is trying to slidder-out all honest questions like a snake...!1 thing is very clear there is no honest juornalism about palestine,only george galloway in england has the balls to speak out!the rest of the western world is afraid of sanctions by america!

[saqibakascarface]

Wolf Blitzer looks really uncomfortable in this video.