Frost Over The World -Toomas Hendrik Ilves - 25 May 07

[Bucefal80]

Toomas Ilves - faggot, the russophob and the most stupid president of Europe!

[ramsila2000]

@scrap222666 the symbol which is on the monument was never used before it was put on the emblem of SS, also the monument stands for the "cross of freedom" the award (which was never given to anyone) for participation in estonian civil war (some ppl call it freedom war) but it really was not estonians were killing estonians, russians killing russians from both sides on Estonian and Latvian territories.

[PGauding09]

@Matuxmatux he grew up in New Jersey and went to Columbia.

[Matuxmatux]

The Estonian president is one of the very few European presidents to speak English fantastically. Unlike so many others that all sound like an F1 pilot at a press conference.

[MaaritRei]

@Matuxmatux He lived in US for a long time

[Matuxmatux]

@MaaritRei Olen kursis sellega. Aga tänan siiski vastuse eest. :D

[MaaritRei]

@Matuxmatux hahahaha :D et siis võta heaks jah :D

[mishastiks]

Then do not write here until u know what did germany at a time of WW1. Read books (please not estonian books) about what did germans do to Jewish people, read what did they planned to do with other nations (secret plans etc) , why were estonians exiled to siberia,... and then u can share your opinion here.. many things you,. and all the other estonians did not get from the teachers at school,. or may be the government did not want u to know, which is more obvious

[IseJassu]

Hrndrick ?:D



[JohnFenomen]

dibil !

[apocalypse123]

Some people may not find this interesting but between this interview and now he's lost a bit of weight

[Popavalja]

american penguin

[womm8]

just say its RUSSIA

[godblesskiddchris]

fuck estonia

[cossack13]

Muhahaha what a stupid boy. OMG I love this small shit hole of Europe.

[mishastiks]

@taavix14x aahah,. u r so funny)

[ESTONIANcoast]

Its just astonish, how cruel some eastern people are.

My (estonian) family is living in euSweden and we could not make our regular bank transactions between eu SWE and eu EST. You can imagine what its means to us! But Mr. Ilves is BEST to be first EU PRESIDENT!

päikest

[cyberrate]

you do know that he is installed here by US right? I wish we had a proper Estonian president.

[mishastiks]

@ESTONIANcoast how can u defend him,. he is so stupid,. so many thoughts he shared with us, what was later absolutely wrong.. he done a large amount of mistakes in context of discrimination, also rules of state ethics, absolutely funny behavior at the time of russia-georgia crisis, when he so bravely supported Mr Saakashvili nearly alone among the all presidents of other EU countries, and later begged for defense from russia in EU, and many many more,. I dont say anything about his wife))))D

[Freezzz111]

I personally believe it is true that the attack was from russia, I don't believe there is any other enemies Estonia has at the moment. The country was a part of the Soviet Union at a time, and it seems to be very bad for the Soviet Union to have lost it. They probably want it back because the country is more developed than most of russia, and because of its access to sea :)

[mishastiks]

u so stupid)) sorry, but its true.. russia knew that estonia depends on russian transit.. and now, because of bad behaviour, russia just stoped transit through estonia.. and esstonia has got into deep shit .. so,. its time to learn

[artur2277]

no it doesnt you idiot. estonia doesnt depend on russia ya fool. and bad behavior? what the hell you talking?

[mishastiks]

@artur2277 30 % of all income,. that is a BIG thing honey. and how do the estonians live now? Good? salaries are good? we got onto 5th place of most economically developed countries? As your favorite Ansip promised? We got into deep shit instead. Congratulations.

[peejay1954]

hey cossack13, I guess according to you, Russia never was in Estonia beore WW1 or After WW2. This was all the imagination of the rest of the world. After all why would they want to invade a small s******* of a country?

[cossack13]

It always seems to these faggots that Russia want to invade their small shit hole of Europe...Muhahah What a joke...

[cossack13]

Haha the estonians has deserve such president with stupid face and shitted trousers..Muhaha The estonian dwarfs always afraid of something...Fucking tiblad Heh!

[Perseauk11tuhat]

What the fuck is your problem?!?!

Toomas Hendrik Ilves is a good person, very frendly and wise...you should be executed for saying such a thing...

[bakiful]

By the way.. word "tibla" means "idiot" and could only use to discribe russinas, like word "onion" .. tibla = russiand , onion = russian :)

[cossack13]

Do not try to explain such stupid meanings. You estonians are so culturaly poor where I dont see any difference between estonian and shitted trousers. Stupid estonians are always will be as a tiblad.

[dage83]

@cossack13 you should take little care and attention...we arent that matirial thinking or ready to kill for the money ;) peace...

[mishastiks]

@artur2277 Ivan,. seems russian name ... and.. u should get more info from others than eSStonian's media sources, boY

[scrap222666]

I find it ironic how you have to add another S into Estonia to make it nazi while RuSSia already has 2 in it´s name.

[hondacivic1992]

@scrap222666 we fought the SS nazis. eSStonia is NAZI.

[scrap222666]

@hondacivic1992 And how is Estonia a Nazi?

[helpermethod]

@hondacivic1992 Estonia is written with one "s". You need to return to school and educate yourself.

[vorjay]

@helpermethod Maybe you're stupid and just didn't get what he was doing.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 russia does,. but the thing is that its never been nazi

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Now I understand that but calling Estonia a nazi country is totally unjust. We are probably anti-communist. Now it is debatable whether or how much harm did communism cause us. Certainly there were deportations and russification (large number of Russians were made to inhabit Estonia). Point is we are anti-communist and not pro-nazi. Nazis fucked our grandmothers just as much as Russia did.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 what do u mean by fucked your mothers? russian troops did not fuck est woman. And i dont argue that communism caused some harm to the nation, but it was not about to clean some populations as nazi did\wanted.. and estonia supported nazi in that time very, what is absolutely not debatable.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I was trying to go for a harsh example. What I meant was both armies when they came raped young and middle aged women. By logical chain of thought you do not love someone who rapes your countries citizens. Estonia's support for Nazis can be equated to Finland's, we needed allies to face Russia as we already were conquered once before and knew we would be absorbed into them. We did not want to give up our country so we took our chances with one of the evils who we hadn't experienced.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 And that was wrong. That is what we, and the rest of nations who were against Hitler can not forgive, because Hitler wanted to kill majority of Slavic nations, and many many more, including estonians also,.. and your support meant for us only support to exterminate us. Russia was not a "death" for Estonia, never! dont lie pls. But Hitler was a death for all of us.. pitty that u and the rest of estonians believe in it, that russia meant death but nazi germany - better life..

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 u know, i can say even more,. THIS, what i talked about in previous message, is a main issue between our nations that we trying to solve last 50 years,. and THIS is a main reason that we are not friends and don't tolerate each other.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Exactly, thing is if you simply politics it's more of a "You did this, but you did this before, but you did this before that", basically the pot is calling the kettle black. Its a never ending loop, Estonia "joined" nazis because we knew what Russia did to us once before. Do you honestly think that after gaining independence we simply turned nazi? If you follow Estonias press during the first independence period you can see what the motives were.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Oh also I really love how Estonians have summed up what I said into one sentence "We had to choose between bad and worse". What it means is that like I said before, with Russia we already knew what was coming to us. Destruction of our nation and people.(russification, absorbed into Russia etc). With Germany we could hope that the world would destroy them and we get our country back later in some form. Both armies were marching towards our country, it wasn't a choice.

[ramsila2000]

@scrap222666 And that's why in the middle of Tallinn there is a monument with 20.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS sybolics on it? Because you grandma was fucked by those nazi mfs?

[scrap222666]

@ramsila2000 Hi, it's called Vabaduse Rist , google it and although the pages are in Estonian (the ones I found) you can see it is used for our honor medals. It was made in 1919 when we first gained independence and is the national symbol of freedom to us. Also first people to receive the medal were independence fighters. 1919...

Long before nazis or Hitler or anything. Just because an SS unit used it doesn't mean anything. Swastika is still used in other parts of the world too fyi.

[scrap222666]

@ramsila2000 So in short, no it's not the symbol of SS. It's the symbol of our freedom war. Freedom war symbol has been used on 20 waffen uniforms, our Freedom monument and I am sure on a couple of more structures. Your making a fallacy as you probably did not know how far the symbol extends back to history and I am quite sure that the motive was to have our freedom symbol emblem on it, not that some waffen unit had used it.

[vitaly73]

Ilves is american citizen, he got estonian citizenship in 2 days before to be appointed to estonia president position

[eestipoiss92]

The reason why President Ilves speaks very good English is because he was educated in America.

[ramsila2000]

@eestipoiss92 Ilves was born in Stockholm, Sweden; his parents were Estonian refugees.[1] He grew up in the United States and graduated from Leonia High School in Leonia, New Jersey in 1972 as valedictorian.[2] He received a bachelor's degree in psychology from Columbia University in 1976 and a master's degree in the same subject from the University of Pennsylvania in 1978.

There was no good anough estonians born and raised in Estonia to be it's president, so we had to ine from USA!

[mishastiks]

@ramsila2000 Are u sure that in Estonia is not enough good citizens!? How could u say like that about your country! By saying such words, u just offended many and many worthy people, who are even not in comparison with that person as Ilves. sorry

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks This is one of the actual reasons why the second front was opened. Western world did not want Russia to have a large influence across Europe. They needed to fight to gain ground as US/UK did not like Russia either, or else they wouldn't of went to war with them while Russia was having a home war, this is the reason Estonia got it's independence the first time anyway. Partly even thanks to the support of UK and other nations. Russia - 105% death for our country, Germany- unknown.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 i said u,. not "death", why u telling that again!? reading you messages, i have a feeling, that u still think that germany was a good choice that time,. Am i right?

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks That is the point. There was no good choice. There wasn't even an average choice. We had an execution and the only choice was what weapon to get killed by. It's not a real choice as the outcome is the same. Get run over by Russians or get run over by Germans? Both scum on earth for killing other nations. In retrospect had we been taken over by Germans, then let the western powers slit Hitlers head off and kill the third Reich we might of had our nation back sooner.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 russia was not a "scum" for killing other nations,. if compare to germany... wrong understanding of the history.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks What nations did Germany kill? I am quite sure Germany occupied some nations for around 4 years, Estonia was somewhere around a year, I don't want to check the correct statistics right now. SU killed 25mil to 60 mil people, now I am sure that statistics is wrong but killing more than 0,1 mil is wrong by any nation(like the US currently). Estonia lost over 10% of it's population to Russian terror. 5%, 2% is too many! 1000 people is too many.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 no, u'd better go to the internet or smwhere else to get the idea of a real threat to the people at WW2. Only the Holocaust caused death to a nearly 4 000 000 people. & i dont say anything about the number of ppl in Anti-Hitlerite coalition who died to save the World. Estonians were exiled only because they started to support the Hitler, and (unfortunately) this was the only way to deter the Nazism. And u behavior now, thinking only about your country and this small %, its shame

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks So was Virve Eliste(1 year old deportee who died just being 1 year old) a nazi? Was Maria Raagel (95 year old when deported) a nazi? Your attempt to justify soviet crimes disgust me.

Just think to think you just said (using your own words) Virve Eliste was killed and lost her life as a 1 year old because this was the only way... I spit on you for thinking child deaths are justified by any nation. Just shows how Russians and Estonians think differently I guess.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 yeah,. u think only about your small country,. u can not imagine that there are many more countries, ppl, etc. The persons u listed above may be not related to nazi,. but the rest supported this regime, and wanted germany to enter the country asap. Main difference between us is that we think globally. (please do not name any other estonian persons, if u dont want me to list all the russian names here. tnx)

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Ok at least we established that. Now I really want to know why you think Estonians are nazi? We are just as much nazi as you are. Our only "nazi" thing was to support them attack you. But think back a bit. YOU did the exact same thing. You attacked Poland together. You had those get together pictures taken were a comrade partied with Nazi commandos on the meeting point after slaughtering Poland. Only difference is you wanted a buffer zone, we wanted independence.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 "Our only "nazi" thing was to support them attack you" = u just said that only u did at WW2 - u supported the Nazism go further! great! ... no comments.

The last thing I say to u.. we wanted to SURVIVE, you wanted INDEPENDENCE!

There is no way to argue any more. Sorry, we wont understand each other unless u think like that. May be years will help. All the best.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks So slaughtering Poland and the Polish army, occupying Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Mo...ok the list is pretty big. Occupying most of Europe and killing them off with repressions, starvation, secret police, deportation, death camp and work camps is a very noble thing to do humble Russian.

We also gave troops to the Red Army, you seem to forget that fact but most scum don't thank their supporters. Survive=Independence. If you are a lapdog of Stalin not much of a life.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 P.S. Thank to us u and all the estonian ppl can breathe today! Little minded,. sorry for that.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Ok lets talk purely on facts and without national pride or whatever. Point is. Estonia is small. Russia is big. Germany was planning to form an empire. Germany was gaining ground. Russia was afraid as it needed time to rearm itself. Russia formed MRP and collaborated with Germany to get a head start knowing they have to go to war. Thing is you overtook our country. We allowed bases in our country but you crossed over the allowed limit. You crossed the need/greed line. That's all.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 As u asked me in PM who is better, who is worse.. (Soviet and Nazism) This way my answer is: better is the one, thanks to who we (u and me) alive today. My life and you life given to us thanks to Soviet Union. Thats what we have to value today! Everyone knows that Stalin was not an angel. But i am thankful to him for my life. The bigger injustice today that all thise small countries, Russians battled for, still believe that Nazism was a savior. Sorry, but shame.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I wanted to PM cause we would not have a 500 char limit but ok. If you don't want to PM lets discuss here. You are talking bullshit, how exactly have I or any Estonian ever even hinted that nazism was our savior?

And again I want you to list what are the differences between being occupied by nazism or occupied by communism? "we are alive!" does not compute as 10% of Estonian population is not alive...I have had a 1/10th of a chance of not to be alive and I lived as a slave.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 Ok,. then i say straight. If not SU u (and Estonia) would not be living now. (or u grannies who has given birth for u) Fine?

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks So the difference is Germany would of killed all of Estonians? Wrong, we would probably be forced to labor. We are going into make belief land though. Maybe the aliens would of come and rescued us eh? or the toothfairy?

Why? How? What motivation would of there been to kill us off? Would Hitler kill other nations or just Estonians? Hitlers first goal was united Europe.

With SU we got turned into slaves and also killed off. Same outcome. We got free only because it collapsed...

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 "May be, Probably,. " hah.. You dont know what Hitlers plan was. Thats the problem. U wont live now. Please learn the history (Hitlers plans). Also the live u had at a Soviet time was may be one of the greatest part of estonia history. All the factories, necessary state structures, housing estate, u got thanks to SU. Now everything is destroyed or sold out. Estonia is already a slave of Europe and USA, everyone know it. I tell u more, Europe and USA even dont care of it.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I know of Hitlers plans from his second and first book. What are you basing your "only Estonians would be killed 100%!" argument on? Hitler wanted to turn mixed breeds to slaves for the state. Estonian population was actually considered to be totally Germanized by Witzel at one point. So we either were germanized, enslaved, deported or some of us shot. What did happen with SU? We get russified, enslaved, deported and 10% of us shot. EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 So, U regret that SU won the WW2?? And u wish the Hitler had invaded Estonia, i understood u right????

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks No, Hitler was just as bad as Stalin. They both should of had hanged and cut their limbs off. I regret that SU killed, enslaved,russified, deported my people. Also took our economy and culture back to the dark ages. No freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of press. SU almost built a factory that would of polluted a large part of Estonia and its soil, thank god it already was starting to crumble, just as GU (german union) would of done eventually if it had won.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Btw I will bring you a good example of Soviet times "history" teachings. It was taught that bandits went into the forest to steal and loot from people. (Actually written in Soviet time history books of Estonia) After independence we could finally change that term "bandits" to forest brothers, our independent fighters who fought in guerrilla style against the SU. In "history" books they were bandits. Btw the last 2 forest brothers came out in year 2000, they didn't know SU had ended.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 I dont actually care of forest brothers,. i care about words u say that u regret that SU won the WW2! Is it right, and do u wish the germany had envaded estonia at that time? YES or NO???

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I answered that below the forest brothers snippet...

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 Yes or No?!

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks You are asking me an Estonian, if I wanted my country Estonia to be invaded by Germany? What the shitting question is that? Ofcourse not!

Btw Estonia was invaded by Germany at that time fool. We were occupied for about 4 years(I said 1 before but I didn't check up).

I don't actually care if it's china, US, russia, UK, nazi Germany, communists or whoever. It does not matter who they are. If they shoot and deport Estonians I categorize them evil and "to be shot and hanged" status.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks You should ask me why am I this mad at the SU, after all they defeated the nazi thread.

I will answer right away. Imperialistic undertone. If SU acted the same as the western powers we would kiss Putins and your Russian feet, probably clean them every day. You know what the west did? They actually asked France, Germany and others? "Do you want to get your country back?" France said yes, Germany was held a little and then let be governed by themselves. Russia fuckers enslaved us.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 Even so, we started to talk about Hitler and Stalin, SU and Nazi Germany. I need u to tell here that we ALL have to be thankful to SU, no matter what they did after! Because if not SU, not me, either u would live now in todays World. All the rest small things, and subtleties of the changes after WW2 i am not gonna discuss here, because it went as it went. And i am proud that my roots gave their lives to save the peace in the World. Pity that others did not understand it.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I think we have come to a conclusion somehow. I am trying to establish that west also won the war, while yes Soviets gave 80% of manpower the west supported the Soviets with a lot, A LOT of supplies. West also freed Europe, but they actually freed Europe. Russias "freedom" was absorbing Europe into it. What better is one tirant from the next? What is the difference between Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jong or Saddam? They are all tyrants. That is my point. It's ironic how you "freed" Europe.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks But alas again we go back to "either u would live now in todays world". I AM TELLING YOU FOR THE 5TH OR 6TH TIME. YOU RUSSIA DESTROYED OUR NATION. 100% WHAT GERMANY WOULD OF DONE. IN OUR EYES YOU ARE HITLER. maybe that parallel will make you understand? It did not matter who occupied us the faith was the same.

Germany- occupation, slaves, germanized, deported, killed.

SU- occupied, slaves, russified, deported, killed.

What is the bloody difference?

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 The bloody difference is that now u alive, otherwise estonia would not exist,,, thats the fckng difference!

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks So we are talking about absolutes now? Ok, lets.

The bloody difference is that otherwise Estonia would of existed even sooner as German empire would of crumbled sooner.

See how easy it is to talk bullshit without even considering to back up their claims with anything but bullshit? I am using your own tactic to show you what I have to reply to. :/

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 I am sure 100% Estonia would not exist, and i will not change my mind. U think otherwise. No point to discuss it anymore. Thanks for debates.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I strongly urge you to study absolutes and personal opinion in debates. Both of these hold no water. No matter what your style is, be it apologetic, you are asserting something that can not be asserted.

Good day to you.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 I dont need to study this. I know what is the truth. And if u need somehow to show me that Hitler's coming to Estonia meant a better future, neither me, neither anyone else who is more or less educated person in Europe would ever be agree with you. Silly and strange to discuss it.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks It's nice to argue with someone who keeps taking words out of thin air. The phrase "Hitler's coming to Estonia meant a better future" for example. But kind of like Russian historians you try to falsify your own statements.

After all it was Russia who "liberated" Estonia into deportations, gulags, russification and took our nation away for 50 years. Go learn what liberation means and study how to argue.

[mishastiks]

@scrap If u dont know, the gulag was in SU as well, and the number of deported ppl there was thousands times more than yours. After ww2, no one was deported, i tell u more, Estonia lived much better than the others SU regions till 90s. U had nearly everything for successful governance of independent country. Legacy of factories, ports, infrastructure was huge. And now u blaming the Soviets. U just unthankful egoists. I wish u were Jewish. Now u would probably understand whom to be thankful to.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Jewish? I wish you were Estonian so you would understand. Currently you are spouting out Soviet Era propaganda. Did you know the Germans thought Poland attacked them first? It seems the casus belli propaganda has totally taken you over. I at least give honor to the soviet troops, even if they were the armed force of the red plague. You...you on the other hand spout Soviet propaganda. What good is there to say anything? You obviously are too blind.

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 You are obviously too egoistic to understand the realities of what was happening at WW2. Its about 26 millions of Soviet ppl died defending peace on Earth, not to let the Hitler's plans realize. And u telling me abut your problems with independence e t c.. Do u realise what u talking about!!!???

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks What are you talking about? How has the 1949 deportation have anything to do with ww2 for example? You do know when ww2 ended right?

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 It doesnt matter,. If not SU, all of you would be dead, instead u got deportations, but this related to the plan, which was realized in purpose to organize a well planned restoration of life after destruction of WW2. Anyway, 26 millions of dead will never be in comparison to the number of deported Estonians.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Yes yes whatever, losing a tenth of ones population is totally ok as other countries lost some people too. It's fully fine that Russians killed Estonians as nazis did the same with the Jews. Also its fully fine that a lot of Estonians died as other countries lost their men too. It does not matter that in one case it was the country itself doing to its own people and in the other a occupied territory. You win, killing Estonians was fully justified! You should do it again in the future

[20thWaffenGrenadier]

@mishastiks 26 million people (mostly soldiers) died mainly due to the incompetent leadership of the Red Army. Soviets attacked in human waves, those that didn't die from the German bullets, were killed bd the NKVD. Red Army soldiers were forced cross minefields without clearing them first. Butchers like Žukov and Koniev didn't give a crap about human life. That's where you got most of your casualties,there's nothing heroic about it.

[mishastiks]

@20thWaffenGrenadier they died,. that was the fact!

[20thWaffenGrenadier]

@mishastiks BS!!!!! Estonia was a prospering country before the war, our standard of living was higher than in Finland. It's only thanks to the Soviet occupation, that we're now 50 years behind!!! Please use facts, not Soviet fairy tales!

[mishastiks]

@20thWaffenGrenadier ahah,,. dream on!

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Your claim that I live in todays world does not hold water. The only reason I am not either never born/russian/living in Siberia is because empires fall, just like united Germany would of fell so did SU. Historically it is a fact that not one empire has prevailed. Would the SU collapsed 5 to 10 years later I would be either not born/russian/in siberia. Statistically I still probably had a big chance thanks to your red terror.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I know of Hitlers plans from his second and first book and other documents. What are you basing your "only Estonians would be killed 100%!" argument on? Hitler wanted to turn mixed breeds to slaves for the state. Estonian population was actually considered to be totally Germanized by Witzel at one point. So we either were germanized, enslaved, deported or some of us shot. What did happen with SU? We get russified, enslaved, deported and 10% of us shot. EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

[mishastiks]

Respond to this video...  Learn the History. Ask teacher (if u still study). Believe me, its ridiculous to believe that Hitler would give you a better life !!! hah DD

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks ... the very same thing many predict would of happened with Europe if Hitler managed to win. Simply get torn up from inside as not one empire will last forever, history has given us this lesson at least.

So far I have only seen that the communist order=nazi Germany. Both slavery for a nation and 1/10 killed off immediately. Just like united Germany the SU collapsed. Same thing would of happened if Hitler would of won.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks I don't think that Estonians a nation of 1,5 million wanted to be Nazi or Communist or whatever. They had their daily lives, work, have children, be happy, die. We were not arian, we were mixed breed in the German eyes anyway and for only that it would be foolish to think any Estonian is nazi. The motivation was purely to pay back Russia for invading us and misusing our trust and also killing some % of us. Remember, ww2 began to us when Russia invaded. What did you honestly expect?

[mishastiks]

@scrap222666 Think globally PLEASE. Victory of Nazism - death for us and for YOU. So, thanks to Soviet Union u nation exists now. Understand?

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Read the PM I sent you.

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks The bottom line is in our (Estonian) eyes there is no difference between a Communist and Nazi state. Even the West(UK,France, US to some extend at that time) shared that view. You think of yourself as the savior of Europe and that you are. However, that does not excuse you the handling of the situation. Doing that you conquered Europe(same thing Germany wanted to do) and started russifying and killing off any opposition(same thing Germany would of done). What is the difference?

[scrap222666]

@mishastiks Also I guess you hypocrite forgot one important fact. MRP secret protocol, Estonia was NEUTRAL N E U T R A L. You know that word? Soviets had a map drawn and signed by Stalin before the war began! You had a plan signed and approved to destroy Estonia before the war! Ofcourse we will get any allies we can.

Also I guess helping nazis slaughter Poland is such a good way to survive. :D "We wanted to survive! So we INVADED POLAND with NAZIS!" ... Great god you are so brainwashed.

[kooodeal]

Use Macs..

[ezekieloak]

We listened to a wonderful orchestra performance together, Ilves and I.

[Matu1]

Selle saatejuhi diktsioon imes! ablublublu abluuuuu blu blu blu

[Raandomass]

Ilves talks really good English. He is a very good president too.

[TheGhostSlayer]

Yup, he pwns :)

[hukkios]

Estonians should be proud of a president who speaks that good English.

[rwiho]

we are ;)

[venenum147]

we are not

[rwiho]

yes we are...you ruSSia scum fuck yourself!

[venenum147]

we... this is who? two estonians from Ruhnu? Or what?

[Traxian2009]

Yup. Mr. Ilves actually grew up in the United States and graduated from High School there (I believe New Jersey?), so that really helped him loads with his proficiency in the English language. Cheers mate.

[kenner116]

Yes, he is just the first step in New Jersey's plan for world domination. First Estonia, and soon Israel (Netanyahu lived just a few miles away in Pennsylvania). Who will be next? Well, let me just say that there's a kid in Paramus who in a few decades will be the head of government of an Asian superpower. :)

[manguberdi]

why?

[eestipoiss92]

Yes, we are. Jah, ma olen. :)

[cossack13]

If the president is stupid as a donkey the possession of the English language is not a parameter.

[falls0ft]

Why do you think our president is as stupid as a donkey.

[erwinparker]

Thank you Mister Ilves!