@samcarr6 are you talking based on experience or are you just assuming? Kung fu saved me when I was once attacked by 3 guys who tried to rob me with knives at night. I assure you those guys were tough. Unlike the softies that most of you here are who freely comment, judge and criticize without actually knowing anything.
i think that the snake style is kinda related to the mantis style you have to have the same reflex and strengh except that this style consist of using your fist index and middle finger and your fore fingers(like mantis) the stances are kinda the same but it takes time to master this art
@deadpool10134 All animal styles have some relation because they are done by humans. Snake shows agility and speed while the Mantis is more of a grappling animal. This doesn't mean that you can't develop speed with the Mantis form but the Northern Mantis uses moves such as hooking, low stances, pulling, striking the pressure points, kicks, and stances that require much balance. Mantis has less defense than Snake style does. It's a lot more striking.
note: actual fighting techniques of the kung fu schools differ from the practicing forms, especially when watching the shaolin, although the practice forms are very important and are always in the fighting techniques.
twisterrk is right. they are really fundamentally incomparable; MMA is a competition sport, kung fu is the art of killing. they are much further apart than most people appreciate.
MMA has restrictions so Tiger Style and Snake style are already out of the question because of their focus on deadly throat/blinding eye strikes and scratching techniques. In MMA you can't do this so you can throw half your style out the window. I'm not that well informed on the other animal styles but I do know a lot of Kung Fu is attacks to groin, throat, eyes, etc. So no comparison possible. In a street fight though, I'd put my money on Kung Fu: one blow is enough to kill.
I'm only saying Snake and Tiger are uneffective in MMA, and that they are probably better on the streets because they TRAIN for that. MMA guys don't train any strike designed for killing or disabling in one blow.
But since you started, I'll discuss. I think MMA is less effective in the street because they train for the 80% of fights that end up on the ground. Kung Fu trains you to always be in the 20% that is over before the ground is even involved. I practise Wing Chun which is a good example.
@musicbyrecord the problem is westerners are abused b forces of evil that tell them to masturbate and circumcise their children. This is a big unspoken problem here.
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N me too,but not chinese.not that i have anything againts ppl living there,well some of them.Horrible things are done with ppl in china.Trust me.i wish i was taiwan
Well... Cung Lee is a wushu martial artist... and is the best MMA fighter i've ever seen... trust me... when wushu gets serious it's amazing and effective.
well its kinda like my style of fighting i do kungfu and mma and if you only know kungfu it hurts you and will lose vs mma because your perception of fighting changes as you get better trust me
well its true most tradtional arts would get owned there exists several that would be highly effecitve in MMA the thing is many of the old arts were watered down and had fancy non effective techniques implemented to gain students however those who master the true aspect of the old arts tend to do very well case in point lyto machida who has karate as his base and Gsp who practices shotokan while it isnt just those forms that make them champion it gives them an edge over the others
Lyoto machida no longer trains karate and I watch an interview with GSP and he talked about what he currently trains and where hes training etc and there was no mention of karate, where in your head are you making all this shit up?
first of all machida does train still with karate look at his fighting style the way he moves and punches and second of all while GSP me no llonger use shotokahn as his main thijgn just like machida the karate style is his base
but that statement by itself can be misleading. he also uses muay thai, aspects of boxing and kickboxing and some strategies specific to mma. his striking is indeed influenced by karate (primarily in his distancing, timing and stance) but he doesn't execute distinct karate techniques while competing.
and i do like groundfighting as much stand up, even if when it looks a lot like humping
and yes a third time, i would prefer to wrestle brock than do forms
Your very ignorant it seems. When forms like this were in there prime, they would destroy and MMA fighter. Think about it, MIXED martial arts. Its taking other martial arts and mixing them together, so without forms of martial arts like this, there would be no MMA.
or...instead of thinking about it, you could find out what mma actually train: bjj, muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, and wrestling. these styles do not resemble snake style kung fu or have a connection through lineage.
this flowery excuse for fighting is a product of the chinese cultural revolution and is diametrically opposed to sport fighting. mma train to actually fight, and they do. traditional kung fu wannabees do weird fight themed dance routines. mma owes nothing to snake style
I'm not saying MMA takes DIRECTLY from snake style. I've trained in MMA so don't be such an arrogant prick. What I am saying is that if it wasn't for the asian culture that started Marial Arts, there would be no MMA. So INDIRECTLY, snake style kung fu plays a part in MMA. Kickboxing might have taken techniques from snake style, MMA takes techniques from kickboxing, thus MMA takes techniques from snake style.
You a real dumbass you know that? I said kickboxing MIGHT have! What I'm trying to prove is that all martial arts have taken from other ones, which is fucking obvious. I never said MMA can't win against snake, and you cant make a ludicrous statement like "MMA would knock snake style on its ass." It depends on the fighter, not the style. I can train in the "worst" martial arts all my life and knock out a MMA fighter whose only been training for a year easily. So shut the fuck up you ignorant ass
actually, the logical problem is your use of the word MIGHT.
remember your conclusion, 'thus mma takes techniques from snake style'. even if your first statement 'kickboxing might have taken techniques from snake style' were true, it would only mean that mma might have a link with snake style. since that statement is wrong and kickboxing never borrowed shit from snake style, your statement is also unsound. if you are going to use basic three part logic, at least get some of it right.
Lets pretend MMA is a nice loaf of bread. In order to make bread you need yeast dough and all that.
In this equation Snake would be meat. You do not need meat to make bread. The meat has no relation to the ingridients of bread whatsoever except for the fact that they're all edible
I couldn't agree more. Snake style and traditional kungfu in general was created for real combat and has no relation to a sport like MMA. How ever this video does not show snake style. The Shaolin Monks no longer perform any traditional kungfu in their stage shows. But I do think this video has alot in common with MMA, both are good examples of martial arts stripped of all depth and essence in order to make a profit by catering to the lowest common denominator.
I like this styles kinda of dance flow, you kind of get hypnotized by WTF is goin on and by the time your are processing those lighning quik strikes pop ya!
its a small world these days, and there is no where to hide. if by some wild chance, an elite fighter developed without ever mingling with the competitive fighting community, i can assure you someone would have scouted them out by now. if not, what you are saying is pure speculation, as such a fighter would be unkown to you as well.
i think your assertions are silly at best.
lets sum it up then...
fighters fight...even the best ones. they don't hide their skill. dancers are not fighters.
oh im not against fundamentals. punching and kicking drills, padwork, even forms can be helpful so long as its eventually put to practice at full speed and with full contact
the people in this video, who i criticized originally, don't get past the part where you throw moves into the air. they never practice against resistance so in the end they are dancers, not fighters. pretending in an artful way
anyone who refuses to fight is not a martial artist, just a performer. no shame in that, but you aren't a fighter, and you can't fight well, if you don't fight.
its pretty simple
practice jumping and twirling and spinning your arms theatrically, and you will become very proficient in these activities
Lol, you havent seen me fight. And I doubt you will ever fight an experienced martial artist and win. Practice HOW to fight, and you get good at fighting. You have never really experienced it for yourself, you dont know anything. Discussion over
this flashy stuff is amazing and takes great discipline. too bad i cant do it. but i respect it. but to say what you say is foolish. i wouldnt say they can fight or can't fight because i have no proof of either. i tell you one thing i use to follow mma stuff but i stop that, as i realize real true martial artist don't call themselves martial artists anymore.they just don't care to perform in front of people to prove themselves.they just is.who would they prove it to.for what gain.they dont care
i respect this for what it is, a display of dance and acrobatics. what they are doing does indeed take great skill, but its not fighting.
this whole notion that true martial artists are hidden somewhere, refusing to compete, its a childlike fantasy.
the best fighters in the world are the people who train to fight full time, with other top fighters as training partners, to prepare for competitions with elite opponents.
"i realize real true martial artist don't call themselves martial artists anymore"
what made you realize this? and why did they stop referring to themselves as martial artists?
this sounds a lot like the premise to most kung fu movies. the real best fighters are hiding somewhere in the woods, living off the land as humbly as possible. seriously these kinds of delusions aren't healthy
even a year or so away from the modern fight scene and you fall behind. you say the best fighters don't fight?
you aren't giving me a website because you can't find one. this flashy crap has never been documented as effective. i dare you to prove otherwise. when has it ever been used?
im talking about this video and the types of MA that train this way. the types of org. that prepare for exhibitions and performances at minor concert halls etc. if your training is completely different thats fine, but i doubt it is. you endorse this flashy crap, it suggests you don't actually fight at your school. schools that fight use practical proven techniques.
if mma isn't the real deal, with its doctors and cages and such...then what is? what does the traditional arts community contribute to actual combat that trumps ringfighting?
maybe you could give me the name of an org. that hosts full contact open rule set fights with no doctor or ring??
training for the ring is better than training for dance comps. yes there are doctors there....they are required to be there because pro fighters are doing dangerous things.
you gonna tell me about rules now right? mma has a minimal ruleset so if you want the real deal, you best skip fighting all together and just dance instead. dance pretend fight?? is that where you are going with this?
tell me, where are kung fu fighters actually fighting without rings and doctors?
Where are they fighting without rings and doctors? Where it ACTUALLY MATTERS. Which is outside your house where you WONT have some medical team 10 seconds away (most of the time?)
mute point, mma get into random scraps too. so what? you criticize mma for its rules and doctors, thats how it has to be. high level pro comps dont take place outside someones house, doesn't detract at all from mma.
criticize mma rules and safety precautions when you find trad. MA organizing fights in a more brutal way
how about balet, samba, tap dancing, i couldnt tap dance any more than i could hold horse stance as long as a super devoted kung fu nerd. i prefer to spend my time hitting bags, lifting weights, grappling...you know the kind of stuff that prepares you for combat.
That isnt a fighting style? I see how confused you are. lol. And I doubt you have been in a martial arts school for more than a month, unless yours sucked. We hit bags, eachother, boards, and other objects so we can learn to hit harder,faster, and with power
We also learn techniques, forms, and different ways of attacking different sorts of opponents. Believe me these "dances" look a lot less flashy. And i thought you were using research? Theyre called forms. Its not directly FIGHTING its form.
let me spell it out. they are on tv because they keep winning. this suggests they are very good. cause they keep winning, against other top professionals.
compare this to snake style. its practitioners don't fight, they dance for amusement. what part of this aren't you understanding.
i got my information on this particular dance team from the internet, we are arguing online. do you have a more reliable source than their official website???
"And still, "mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best." Still your opinion. "
"Yes the winners get more fights. That barely has anything to do with my statements"
two direct quotes from you. do you like to contradict yourself or are you really that thick?
its not my opinion its the nature of fight org. the winners get more fights, the losers go home. the people you see on tv won a lot of fights. they are top mma, judoka, wrestlers, boxers, etc. the fact that you see them on tv means they fought there way there
Your still dumb though. These styles have been around since before jesus was born, and your saying some dumbass MMA fighter can just pounce on them? let me educate YOU, a student that has been trained in a style such as this can easily take on some ring fighter no matter how much muscle or ego that "badazz" has
No im a part of a professional martial arts school
;)
Im not continuing this argument I have better things to do. "goofy costumes" (which is your opinion STILL even though I dont like them. Where is your "research and evidence" huh? its a traditional uniform. Stances are for balance, and I doubt you can even hold a Square horse position for more than 20 minutes lol. And your calling them "dancers" when I doubt you've even Seen one fight up close,
ha ha ha, i doubt anyones ever seen one fight up close...because they don't fight. i challenge you to find one shred of evidence that suggests otherwise
call me dumb all you want. i think its clear that my opinions are more educated and expressed with more articulation. not all mma fighters are meatheads, though a lot of us are. i suggest you stop buying into the hype of the flashy arts. its not like the comic books, that shit doesn't work. there are no secret masters of the truly deadly techniques to which the professional fighting community is oblivious. give up the fantasy, accept the reality. athletes are the best fighters
Actually thats my ACTUAL NAME SMARTASS. Im not calling you dumb, We have seperate opinions and experiences. I think its clear your opinions are ignorant and untrue. Im not calling al MMA fihgters meatheads, I have friends who are in boxing and muay thai. I suggest you stop Doubting that "flashy arts" are useless, youd be mistaken. I dont read comic books. Its not like a movie, and dont give me some bullshit about "giving up the fantasy accept reality athletres are the best fighters"
in your first reply to one of my posts you state, 'Your still dumb though.' as an opener
in your second response you state, 'i'm not calling you dumb'
which is it?
also, how is it clear that my opinions are 'ignorant and untrue'? im backing up my opinions with history, evidence, and logical argumentation. you, on the other hand, state your opinions as if your endorsement holds some kind of authority.
these snake dancers have not been battling since ancient times. who convinced you of this?
"im backing up my opinions with history,evidence,and logical argumentation"
We're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present and how the stupid opinion people have that their style "IS THE BEST" as you stated "athletes are the best fighters".
mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best. its an open venue. the people you see on tv got there because they kept winning against other top level professional fighters. i know its hard for you to accept, but the dancers featured in this video didn't make their dance team by winning fights, or even training to fight. they are performance martial artists who's primary goal is to entertain. do some research and check out their website, you will find....
And still, "mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best." Still your opinion. And its not on their because its the best, its on their because people like to watch people bash eachother senselessly.
goofy costumes, impractically deep stances, forms, trophies, demos, acrobatics etc. and not one single picture or video of a fight. what does that tell you? to me, this suggests that the people in this video concentrate on theatrical performances. you are arguing for the dancers. there are pro fighters, and these dancers, and you are seriously arguing for the dancers?
i also find it necessary to address your inane comment about jackie chan and jet li. they are both entertainment martial artists, and each have admitted that they could not beat mma fighters. i believe jet li commented on the set of unleashed that tito ortiz would destroy him in a real fight, despite the fictional movie outcome of their encounter.
esmaelmajedi, your name suggests you are a nerd. there are no jedi, no real ninjas, no all powerful shaolin monks. your a nerd, with nerd fantasies
This Martial artist is great and the style is deadly all the strikes are 100 times more deadly than a punch you can't stop what you don't know or have not been trained to stop. The old snake style masters of the past were not fools and fought in death matches this stuff is no joke.
for what reason would you want to go to the ground in a fight? its just a test of muscle then. and plus when your on the ground it is pretty much impossible to fight more than 1 person.
accualy. no... this could be used as a real fighting style, once hes got you ur screwed, its a more defensive style, the weird snake thingy with his hand was a NICE distraction... onces ur off guard. you wont even have time to say bye
ya, or he just hits you in the throat with his fingers hard enough to colapse your windpipe before you can try to gay him up with your "rear naked" anything.
This is just my opinion but I think you could fuck people with all this kung fu bullshit but if like someone strong and knows at least some stuff about fighting landed a clean shot it would end the fight. Im not so positive about all this like hand/finger jabbing. and besides i dont know of alot of people that would actually hit people in the throat just for a normal fight not like life or death.
I don't think you understand kungfu... The moves are imitated from animals and are highly effective, this has been proven over and over. There is a reason the shaolin monks were feared.
And just a note, snake style works extremely well with pressure point fighting. Three good hits and you are down, no matter how much muscle you have.
you aren't basing this on anything. what proof? where are these fabled shaolin monks? if they ever did exist, 1. they are long dead 2. they didn't fight anything like this
let me educate you, as a result of the chinese cultural revolution, all forms of actual competitive combat were banned and only performance arts were allowed. until recently this has been the case, so this crap you see is purely performance art, animal styles suck. i took them when i was young and dumb
Your still dumb though. These styles have been around since before jesus was born, and your saying some dumbass MMA fighter can just pounce on them? let me educate YOU, a student that has been trained in a style such as this can easily take on some ring fighter no matter how much muscle or ego that "badazz" has
As to your assertion that a student trained in this or, indeed, MOST of the extreme styles of Wu Shu, such as Mantis or Scorpion would NEVER stand up in an actual MMA event where they would ACTUALLY get punched or grappled. Only in tournaments where they face only other styles like their own and they only tap fight do they excel. In an actual event where you would get full on punched vs a fighter who is himself used to being punched you would be owned as would your fellow students.
Hey dickhead, I HAVE fought in real life fights. All your fancy snake style crap would never and HAS never worked in real world fights. Boxing and grappling work FAR better than any of this fancy gymnastics shit.
Wow lol Namecalling Does show the discipline and nature of your Nature doesnt it XD
Actually ive been in many real world fights and some of them I was "jumped" because of my training I have never gotten "beat up"
And I have complete respect for boxing,grappling,muay thai, and other MMA styles. But most of them train for the ring and unless your fighting a 1 vs 1 In real life I doubt they could do as well as a martial artist when faced with several Experienced fighters. My opinion.
Muay Thai and MMA fighters can easily hold their own on the street. Hell, I practice Judo and Isshinryu Karate and I have so I know a figher used to real punching and grappling easily can as well. Sorry for the name calling but, seriously, this gymnastics stuff just like capoeira is good for getting you in shape but not for actual fighting.
Haha nice nice I just said I dont think many fighters trained for the ring can Do AS well in the street against MULTIPLE opponents (they're trained less as far as i understand for those situations)
And ive taken Kenpo for a long while,some jj and a friend taught me some of the reasons and what not about Muay thai and boxing, I Respect all fighers. I just stated my opinion and that other guy is FREAKAKING OUT OVER IT
I note that you dropped your "Jackie Chan and Jet LI" as examples of Wu Shu. While Jet Li IS an accomplished Wu Shu martial artist he DOES acknowledge that what he does is ENTERTAINMENT. He fully acknowledges that he would most likely lose in MMA. You can look this up. As for Jackie Chan he NEVER has said he was a martial artist he is a trained ACTOR for the Peking Opera.
my last post was 3 months ago...but i'll entertain this bullshit anyways
what you are witnessing is an acrobatic/dance demo that is ultimately the sad product of the chinese cultural revolution. Mao Zi Dong killed or forced most skilled MA out of China. when secularized kung fu was once again permitted, it became a shit-fest of flashy crap that never withstood the test of combat. snake style is a quintessential example.
there is no record of snake style ever being used effectively in combat
Also, if you look at the RESULTS rather than the propaganda you will see that fancy side arts such as snake, crane, mantis etc NEVER stand up in the ring.
A "professional" like Jackie Chan who studied "martial arts" at the Peking OPERA? HAHAHA...dude learn something before you post! What I'm saying is that most martial arts ring fighting, such as that seen in tournies, are complete crap tap fighting. For such "fighters" it is quite an eye opening experience to actually get punched full force. Now, Muay Thai and such styles that DO have full contact are great fighters. Kata competitions and demonstrations don't make great fighters.
forms shouldn't be taken as away of looking how good the styles fighting system its a way of looking at the artistic point of the style its up to the practitioner to be a good fighter and to be able to use it in every day life whether it be from traditional to modern day martial arts its still all good.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm not knocking this style, if you like it, that's fine. But there is no rule in most MMA outlawing this strike, and the first few UFCs had very few rules. A punch is more effective and that is why UFC fighters study boxing instead of this.
thats a nice story chasong. the fact remains, no one has ever documented the effective use of snake style.
and smacking a black belt in what? black belts are a dime a dozen, i have a few, big deal.
you don't understand what a paradox is
you needlessly quoted 'experience'
and what do you mean space between the nose and chin??? you mean the mouth? you fucking retard! you really think its a good idea to jab your fingers at someone's mouth?
if this shit works, why hasn't it ever been documented
Yeah, I still study traditional chinese martial arts, but I also know you cant rely on that alone. I take certain techniques that do work and apply it with other styles to become more rounded.
I agree black belt does not mean squat. Almost anyone can get them anywhere. It doesnt have the connotation as it did in the past.
What about jujitsu? Joe stevenson just got his, Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm to earn his blackbelt. Old martialarts are moreorless an art, so even being useless doesnt mean they're demise.
i would think that an effective method of hurting someone would be used in competitions where the primary objective is to hurt the other person. when considering the fact that millions of fighters compete worldwide , one would assume that these finger jabs would show up now and then. they are legal in several organizations and as this youtube video demonstrates, snake style is no secret.
Agreed. Having studied Tang Soo Do and Shotokan, I can say there is some useful stuff in there, but kata is a complete waste of time, and so are the traditional stances. Soemone who wants to learn to defend themselves would make better use of time and money in a boxing gym or BJJ school.
there are no rules against finger jabs in mixed martial arts, nhb tournaments, or k1 kickboxing
and no one uses them because they are dumb as shit
you fucking traditional martial arts pretenders think you have any fucking clue. i fight for a fucking living and you guys go to some mcdojo every week or so and you wanna tell me how fighting works. you assholes have probably never been in a fight
keep dancing around like idiots if you want but stop calling it martial arts, theres nothing martial
Ok so you dont like traditional Martial Arts, like Wushu.(Kung Fu). Twi kwon do, ninjutsu, EXT. So Bruce Li was a bad fighter in your apinion I know he was a actor but he was a badass fighter also, traditional martial arts work, I havent studied martial Arts for a long time but when i did the Dojo i attended taught both I studied a traditional Korean style, but judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Teachers would come in and we would study with them so why hate, have you ever taken a Traditional Art
and don't give me that "every art and style is actually kung fu" crap
this is largely a fabrication of suburban sifus and the crazy chinese government that insists china is responsible for everything. irrelevant too because modern kung fu looks nothing like real fighting styles and therefore could be far less effective despite some lame origin story
ha ha ha, im slightly skeptical of martial art BS so that makes me an mma fanboy. i train and compete mma if that helps clear up any misconceptions
if these finger jabs work, then why aren't they used in competitive fighting?
and your reference to police does not intimidate me. fighting is a small part of what they do, fighting is pretty much all i do. if a smart cop wanted to know more about unarmed combat, they would come to someone like me, not some deluded finger jabbing sifu
dude you need to just sit back, relax and have some tea or something, that is, if your not too rock solid and undefeatable to be seen drinking tea. You sounds like a really bad Van Damme villain lol talking about alla this and "if these finger jabs work, then why aren't they used in competitive fighting?"
ROfl, you must be a MMA fanboy. For your information , my instructor as well as other students at my Kung FU school are in Law enforcement and they use their Kung Fu on a regular basis. Mostly chin na techniques. Which are the grandfather of BJJ, Aikido , Judo etc....... Kung fu started it all. SO go read a book about it before you critique it.
what the fuck do u kno. u can use snake in a real fight,but u have to condition ur fingers to make it hurts the foe and u can block with it and stirke with it. so don't being saying it not usefull u fucking dick shit
shut the fuck up all you fucking fuckers. i practice martial arts and i respect all forms of it including shao lin and wushu and who the fuck cares if its in a real fight or not. each martial art has a strength and weakness so stop commenting negatively and grow up and say they are all good
unfortunately i have not had the opportunity to fight a human snake. i trained with human eagles before i wised up and started taking real MA. i've also sparred with a tiger style guy. never anything i could call a legit fight though. snuke-fu and all the other deluded animal stylist seem to avoid real confrontation, which is probably best for them.
has anyone seen a video of applied snake-fu? i'd be really curious to see how much goofier it looks in a real fight.
im sure all the nerds in your kung fu class think finger jabs are totally painful, you try that shit in a real fight against a real fighter, your gonna get laughed at and beaten down
"no, but you can spearhand your hand under the side of someones jaw you can completely rip that shit if you wanna be violent, or you can control them while cutting off their breathing"
i cant be degrading yet i have to endure unrealistic nerd fantasies of martial ability such as this. what doe it even mean to 'rip that shit'
pokes with a finger hurt more than pats with a fist
punches hurt way more than both, and you cant spearhand someone with the power of a punch, you break your hands
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finger conditioning has some effect, but anatomical structure remains the same. a spearhand might piss someone off but you can't knock someone out, can't break any bones, might knock the wind out of someone with weak abs, but then your just bullying the poor guy, so its almost completely useless.
but let me guess...a properly placed spear hand from a true snakejutsu master could force enough chi into an opponents vital organs and disrupt their meridian flow thus ending the life force?
no, but you can spearhand your hand under the side of someones jaw you can completely rip that shit if you wanna be violent, or you can control them while cutting off their breathing.
One of my instructors had emphasis on shequan and his finger tips hurt more than a fist did, so DON'T TELLLLL ME.
well, depends on the set of fingers. These guys do the iron body training for years and their fingers are extremely hard they train them by doing stuff like hand standing on one finger and feet/one foot on the wall. So i highly doubt they can break in a spear hand in combat
you are officialy a moron. Spearhand and snake style attacks are meant for SOFT Tissue !!! Chest is NOT soft tissue. Soft tissue is groin, eyes, throat, as well as certain pressure points. Are you really trying to sound un educated ?
Those who train in this technique have powerful fingers (although there are no muscles in the fingers the bones are strong) I have no doubt in my mind if you were jabbed full force in the chest by one of these guys, oww.
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Rocksolid178 6 months ago
kung fu is almost useless. how can people actually think that it works effectively
samcarr6 6 months ago
@samcarr6 are you talking based on experience or are you just assuming? Kung fu saved me when I was once attacked by 3 guys who tried to rob me with knives at night. I assure you those guys were tough. Unlike the softies that most of you here are who freely comment, judge and criticize without actually knowing anything.
plovakia 6 months ago
garbage
archtopone 8 months ago
my thinking
i think that the snake style is kinda related to the mantis style you have to have the same reflex and strengh except that this style consist of using your fist index and middle finger and your fore fingers(like mantis) the stances are kinda the same but it takes time to master this art
deadpool10134 10 months ago
@deadpool10134 All animal styles have some relation because they are done by humans. Snake shows agility and speed while the Mantis is more of a grappling animal. This doesn't mean that you can't develop speed with the Mantis form but the Northern Mantis uses moves such as hooking, low stances, pulling, striking the pressure points, kicks, and stances that require much balance. Mantis has less defense than Snake style does. It's a lot more striking.
FistoftheIronDragon 2 months ago
Wushu and Kung fu are the same thing. And if somebody thinks about correcting, then do ur research.
toyhut2 11 months ago
lets not confuse real kung fu with wushu
786myfist 1 year ago
note: actual fighting techniques of the kung fu schools differ from the practicing forms, especially when watching the shaolin, although the practice forms are very important and are always in the fighting techniques.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
wow..great move
bortomatcha 1 year ago
are those Feng Wei's sons ??????
ossamasoft 1 year ago
twisterrk is right. they are really fundamentally incomparable; MMA is a competition sport, kung fu is the art of killing. they are much further apart than most people appreciate.
andrewtimothy1 2 years ago
MMA has restrictions so Tiger Style and Snake style are already out of the question because of their focus on deadly throat/blinding eye strikes and scratching techniques. In MMA you can't do this so you can throw half your style out the window. I'm not that well informed on the other animal styles but I do know a lot of Kung Fu is attacks to groin, throat, eyes, etc. So no comparison possible. In a street fight though, I'd put my money on Kung Fu: one blow is enough to kill.
twisterrk 2 years ago 3
so why cant a mma guy also use eyestrikes and scratching ON THE STREETS? mma guy also can kick someone in the nuts too.
MMA is a sport, but if u take that style, but subtract the rules, add it to the streets, and have some brains, i'd put my money on MMA style.
jeffchen 2 years ago
I'm only saying Snake and Tiger are uneffective in MMA, and that they are probably better on the streets because they TRAIN for that. MMA guys don't train any strike designed for killing or disabling in one blow.
But since you started, I'll discuss. I think MMA is less effective in the street because they train for the 80% of fights that end up on the ground. Kung Fu trains you to always be in the 20% that is over before the ground is even involved. I practise Wing Chun which is a good example.
twisterrk 2 years ago
@twisterrk nobody cares
yarful 1 year ago
@yarful
Oh, so that's why everybody discusses this subject in the comments of almost every MMA/MA related video.
twisterrk 1 year ago
@twisterrk ahh. nope. nobody cares still.
yarful 1 year ago
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twisterrk 1 year ago
@yarful obvious troll is obvious
twisterrk 1 year ago
I wish I was asian.
J0YCRUSIFIXI0N 2 years ago 52
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N LOL wtf
sakurascookies 1 year ago
@sakurascookies LOL
J0YCRUSIFIXI0N 1 year ago
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N why as you are not a asian you can still do this
musicbyrecord 1 year ago
@musicbyrecord the problem is westerners are abused b forces of evil that tell them to masturbate and circumcise their children. This is a big unspoken problem here.
gingowitch 1 year ago
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N me too,but not chinese.not that i have anything againts ppl living there,well some of them.Horrible things are done with ppl in china.Trust me.i wish i was taiwan
LordXerfes 1 year ago
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N so do i. id kill to be at shaolin
jugglemainia333 7 months ago
@J0YCRUSIFIXI0N
you wish u had an 10cm penis?
Anub1zAsDIRECTOR 5 months ago
@Anub1zAsDIRECTOR I wish you weren't racist and anyone that brags about their dick probably has a very small one.
FistoftheIronDragon 2 months ago
wtf this isn't a forum....
Azulblueone 2 years ago
THANK YOU!
Astrodisiac 2 years ago
Well... Cung Lee is a wushu martial artist... and is the best MMA fighter i've ever seen... trust me... when wushu gets serious it's amazing and effective.
XxTheMutexX 2 years ago
well its kinda like my style of fighting i do kungfu and mma and if you only know kungfu it hurts you and will lose vs mma because your perception of fighting changes as you get better trust me
iamhero1234 2 years ago
Looks more like Wushu.
CrackerJackthe4th 2 years ago
wow!! u've seen a lot of kunf fu movies :P
hardcozi 2 years ago
its actually amazing that you packed that much wrong into so few sentences.
nicerebound 2 years ago
and speaking of not getting anything right, your entire post is just...bad arguing.
'all martial arts have taken from other ones'
simply not true, yet you think it is 'fucking obvious'.
'i never said mma can't win against snake'
ok? are you going to tell us all the things you haven't said because no one has accused you of making this claim
"you can't make a ludicrous statment like 'MMA would knock snake style on its ass' "
i actually never made that statement, but i could if i wanted to.
nicerebound 2 years ago
Lets see this in MMA, he would get owned.
hazard2000 2 years ago
well its true most tradtional arts would get owned there exists several that would be highly effecitve in MMA the thing is many of the old arts were watered down and had fancy non effective techniques implemented to gain students however those who master the true aspect of the old arts tend to do very well case in point lyto machida who has karate as his base and Gsp who practices shotokan while it isnt just those forms that make them champion it gives them an edge over the others
KNIGHT12 2 years ago
Lyoto machida no longer trains karate and I watch an interview with GSP and he talked about what he currently trains and where hes training etc and there was no mention of karate, where in your head are you making all this shit up?
hazard2000 2 years ago
Lyoto still trains Karate with his father and uses Shotokan Karate stance and footwork in his fights.....
johnnydragonfist 2 years ago
first of all machida does train still with karate look at his fighting style the way he moves and punches and second of all while GSP me no llonger use shotokahn as his main thijgn just like machida the karate style is his base
KNIGHT12 2 years ago
No he does not I even watched him say it in an interview.
hazard2000 2 years ago
Machida clearly uses karate...
y'all just wanna see roided dudes hump each other... some people would rather master forms than wrestle Brock Lesnar.
superhumansight 2 years ago
"Machida clearly uses karate..." - true
but that statement by itself can be misleading. he also uses muay thai, aspects of boxing and kickboxing and some strategies specific to mma. his striking is indeed influenced by karate (primarily in his distancing, timing and stance) but he doesn't execute distinct karate techniques while competing.
and i do like groundfighting as much stand up, even if when it looks a lot like humping
and yes a third time, i would prefer to wrestle brock than do forms
nicerebound 2 years ago
Your very ignorant it seems. When forms like this were in there prime, they would destroy and MMA fighter. Think about it, MIXED martial arts. Its taking other martial arts and mixing them together, so without forms of martial arts like this, there would be no MMA.
WhiteNinjaHero 2 years ago
or...instead of thinking about it, you could find out what mma actually train: bjj, muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, and wrestling. these styles do not resemble snake style kung fu or have a connection through lineage.
this flowery excuse for fighting is a product of the chinese cultural revolution and is diametrically opposed to sport fighting. mma train to actually fight, and they do. traditional kung fu wannabees do weird fight themed dance routines. mma owes nothing to snake style
nicerebound 2 years ago
I'm not saying MMA takes DIRECTLY from snake style. I've trained in MMA so don't be such an arrogant prick. What I am saying is that if it wasn't for the asian culture that started Marial Arts, there would be no MMA. So INDIRECTLY, snake style kung fu plays a part in MMA. Kickboxing might have taken techniques from snake style, MMA takes techniques from kickboxing, thus MMA takes techniques from snake style.
WhiteNinjaHero 2 years ago
"Kickboxing might have taken techniques from snake style, MMA takes techniques from kickboxing, thus MMA takes techniques from snake style."
you might want to brush up on your logic, but if you insist, then to which techniques do you refer? do you even have any in mind?
and asian culture didn't start martial arts, people have been fighting since they've been breathing.
you are trying to make it out like mma can't knock snake style because we owe it something...just not true.
nicerebound 2 years ago
You a real dumbass you know that? I said kickboxing MIGHT have! What I'm trying to prove is that all martial arts have taken from other ones, which is fucking obvious. I never said MMA can't win against snake, and you cant make a ludicrous statement like "MMA would knock snake style on its ass." It depends on the fighter, not the style. I can train in the "worst" martial arts all my life and knock out a MMA fighter whose only been training for a year easily. So shut the fuck up you ignorant ass
WhiteNinjaHero 2 years ago
actually, the logical problem is your use of the word MIGHT.
remember your conclusion, 'thus mma takes techniques from snake style'. even if your first statement 'kickboxing might have taken techniques from snake style' were true, it would only mean that mma might have a link with snake style. since that statement is wrong and kickboxing never borrowed shit from snake style, your statement is also unsound. if you are going to use basic three part logic, at least get some of it right.
nicerebound 2 years ago
Lets pretend MMA is a nice loaf of bread. In order to make bread you need yeast dough and all that.
In this equation Snake would be meat. You do not need meat to make bread. The meat has no relation to the ingridients of bread whatsoever except for the fact that they're all edible
Jade3liphant 2 years ago 27
Nicely and wisely put Jade3liphant.
twisterrk 2 years ago
@Jade3liphant Could Have Said It Better Myself. Well Said
TheFinderBinder 1 year ago
@Jade3liphant Ha, your right, there is no way anyone will defend themselves with that.
borderlandsboy 1 year ago
@Jade3liphant what the fuck are you trying to say? lol
HiTIVIAIN 1 year ago
@Jade3liphant does that mean that tiger kung fu is the flour?
TigressofBalance 9 months ago
@Jade3liphant
I couldn't agree more. Snake style and traditional kungfu in general was created for real combat and has no relation to a sport like MMA. How ever this video does not show snake style. The Shaolin Monks no longer perform any traditional kungfu in their stage shows. But I do think this video has alot in common with MMA, both are good examples of martial arts stripped of all depth and essence in order to make a profit by catering to the lowest common denominator.
TheaSinensisSerpenti 5 months ago
what would happen if twa kwon do and wu tang,shiolin kung fu all joined together to make an awsome fight sstyle that would rock!
bestfunnyguyever 2 years ago
damn hes better than me and ive been trainin my snake kung fu for years
nihojin 2 years ago
I like this styles kinda of dance flow, you kind of get hypnotized by WTF is goin on and by the time your are processing those lighning quik strikes pop ya!
SabreR2J 2 years ago
its a small world these days, and there is no where to hide. if by some wild chance, an elite fighter developed without ever mingling with the competitive fighting community, i can assure you someone would have scouted them out by now. if not, what you are saying is pure speculation, as such a fighter would be unkown to you as well.
i think your assertions are silly at best.
lets sum it up then...
fighters fight...even the best ones. they don't hide their skill. dancers are not fighters.
nicerebound 2 years ago
oh im not against fundamentals. punching and kicking drills, padwork, even forms can be helpful so long as its eventually put to practice at full speed and with full contact
the people in this video, who i criticized originally, don't get past the part where you throw moves into the air. they never practice against resistance so in the end they are dancers, not fighters. pretending in an artful way
what do you practice? purely out of curiosity
nicerebound 2 years ago
i base this on the nature of their training, the nature of their performances, and their refusal to prove their skills by fighting against other MA
nicerebound 2 years ago
thats because its their philosophy and discipline 0.o
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
anyone who refuses to fight is not a martial artist, just a performer. no shame in that, but you aren't a fighter, and you can't fight well, if you don't fight.
its pretty simple
practice jumping and twirling and spinning your arms theatrically, and you will become very proficient in these activities
practice fighting, you become good at fighting
nicerebound 2 years ago
Lol, you havent seen me fight. And I doubt you will ever fight an experienced martial artist and win. Practice HOW to fight, and you get good at fighting. You have never really experienced it for yourself, you dont know anything. Discussion over
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
this flashy stuff is amazing and takes great discipline. too bad i cant do it. but i respect it. but to say what you say is foolish. i wouldnt say they can fight or can't fight because i have no proof of either. i tell you one thing i use to follow mma stuff but i stop that, as i realize real true martial artist don't call themselves martial artists anymore.they just don't care to perform in front of people to prove themselves.they just is.who would they prove it to.for what gain.they dont care
RedArtworyest 2 years ago
i respect this for what it is, a display of dance and acrobatics. what they are doing does indeed take great skill, but its not fighting.
this whole notion that true martial artists are hidden somewhere, refusing to compete, its a childlike fantasy.
the best fighters in the world are the people who train to fight full time, with other top fighters as training partners, to prepare for competitions with elite opponents.
nicerebound 2 years ago
"i realize real true martial artist don't call themselves martial artists anymore"
what made you realize this? and why did they stop referring to themselves as martial artists?
this sounds a lot like the premise to most kung fu movies. the real best fighters are hiding somewhere in the woods, living off the land as humbly as possible. seriously these kinds of delusions aren't healthy
even a year or so away from the modern fight scene and you fall behind. you say the best fighters don't fight?
nicerebound 2 years ago
why am i saying mma is the best? im not directly. im stating that snake style, and similar flashy wushu styles are ineffective.
nicerebound 2 years ago
you aren't giving me a website because you can't find one. this flashy crap has never been documented as effective. i dare you to prove otherwise. when has it ever been used?
nicerebound 2 years ago
im talking about this video and the types of MA that train this way. the types of org. that prepare for exhibitions and performances at minor concert halls etc. if your training is completely different thats fine, but i doubt it is. you endorse this flashy crap, it suggests you don't actually fight at your school. schools that fight use practical proven techniques.
nicerebound 2 years ago
if mma isn't the real deal, with its doctors and cages and such...then what is? what does the traditional arts community contribute to actual combat that trumps ringfighting?
maybe you could give me the name of an org. that hosts full contact open rule set fights with no doctor or ring??
nicerebound 2 years ago
Im not going to give you a website.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
training for the ring is better than training for dance comps. yes there are doctors there....they are required to be there because pro fighters are doing dangerous things.
you gonna tell me about rules now right? mma has a minimal ruleset so if you want the real deal, you best skip fighting all together and just dance instead. dance pretend fight?? is that where you are going with this?
tell me, where are kung fu fighters actually fighting without rings and doctors?
nicerebound 2 years ago
Where are they fighting without rings and doctors? Where it ACTUALLY MATTERS. Which is outside your house where you WONT have some medical team 10 seconds away (most of the time?)
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
mute point, mma get into random scraps too. so what? you criticize mma for its rules and doctors, thats how it has to be. high level pro comps dont take place outside someones house, doesn't detract at all from mma.
criticize mma rules and safety precautions when you find trad. MA organizing fights in a more brutal way
nicerebound 2 years ago
Then why are you saying its the best
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
how about balet, samba, tap dancing, i couldnt tap dance any more than i could hold horse stance as long as a super devoted kung fu nerd. i prefer to spend my time hitting bags, lifting weights, grappling...you know the kind of stuff that prepares you for combat.
nicerebound 2 years ago
That isnt a fighting style? I see how confused you are. lol. And I doubt you have been in a martial arts school for more than a month, unless yours sucked. We hit bags, eachother, boards, and other objects so we can learn to hit harder,faster, and with power
We also learn techniques, forms, and different ways of attacking different sorts of opponents. Believe me these "dances" look a lot less flashy. And i thought you were using research? Theyre called forms. Its not directly FIGHTING its form.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
let me spell it out. they are on tv because they keep winning. this suggests they are very good. cause they keep winning, against other top professionals.
compare this to snake style. its practitioners don't fight, they dance for amusement. what part of this aren't you understanding.
wushu snakes win when they look the coolest
mma win when they hurt the other person more
nicerebound 2 years ago
LOL They train for the ring, with a referee and a medical team not far away. And im not talking just about snake style.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
i got my information on this particular dance team from the internet, we are arguing online. do you have a more reliable source than their official website???
"And still, "mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best." Still your opinion. "
"Yes the winners get more fights. That barely has anything to do with my statements"
two direct quotes from you. do you like to contradict yourself or are you really that thick?
nicerebound 2 years ago
How does that contradict myself? They are both true. The winnders get more fights, but thinking that MMA is the best is STILL your opinion.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
its not my opinion its the nature of fight org. the winners get more fights, the losers go home. the people you see on tv won a lot of fights. they are top mma, judoka, wrestlers, boxers, etc. the fact that you see them on tv means they fought there way there
nicerebound 2 years ago
LMAO You get your opinions off the internet!!!
Yes the winners get more fights. That barely has anything to do with my statements
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
notice the part where you call me dumb, just to take it back a day or two later
nicerebound 2 years ago
Answer my statements.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
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Your still dumb though. These styles have been around since before jesus was born, and your saying some dumbass MMA fighter can just pounce on them? let me educate YOU, a student that has been trained in a style such as this can easily take on some ring fighter no matter how much muscle or ego that "badazz" has
THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM YOU
nicerebound 2 years ago
ha ha ha, wait you are a part of this dance organization??
nicerebound 2 years ago
No im a part of a professional martial arts school
;)
Im not continuing this argument I have better things to do. "goofy costumes" (which is your opinion STILL even though I dont like them. Where is your "research and evidence" huh? its a traditional uniform. Stances are for balance, and I doubt you can even hold a Square horse position for more than 20 minutes lol. And your calling them "dancers" when I doubt you've even Seen one fight up close,
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
ha ha ha, i doubt anyones ever seen one fight up close...because they don't fight. i challenge you to find one shred of evidence that suggests otherwise
nicerebound 2 years ago
Im sure they have. Have you even been to another country before? They hold tournaments there.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
call me dumb all you want. i think its clear that my opinions are more educated and expressed with more articulation. not all mma fighters are meatheads, though a lot of us are. i suggest you stop buying into the hype of the flashy arts. its not like the comic books, that shit doesn't work. there are no secret masters of the truly deadly techniques to which the professional fighting community is oblivious. give up the fantasy, accept the reality. athletes are the best fighters
nicerebound 2 years ago
Actually thats my ACTUAL NAME SMARTASS. Im not calling you dumb, We have seperate opinions and experiences. I think its clear your opinions are ignorant and untrue. Im not calling al MMA fihgters meatheads, I have friends who are in boxing and muay thai. I suggest you stop Doubting that "flashy arts" are useless, youd be mistaken. I dont read comic books. Its not like a movie, and dont give me some bullshit about "giving up the fantasy accept reality athletres are the best fighters"
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
in your first reply to one of my posts you state, 'Your still dumb though.' as an opener
in your second response you state, 'i'm not calling you dumb'
which is it?
also, how is it clear that my opinions are 'ignorant and untrue'? im backing up my opinions with history, evidence, and logical argumentation. you, on the other hand, state your opinions as if your endorsement holds some kind of authority.
these snake dancers have not been battling since ancient times. who convinced you of this?
nicerebound 2 years ago
I dont see that comment?
"im backing up my opinions with history,evidence,and logical argumentation"
We're not talking about the past, we're talking about the present and how the stupid opinion people have that their style "IS THE BEST" as you stated "athletes are the best fighters".
And I would know this because im in it..?
Which is better in a way than googling it.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
And Athletes are not the best fighters. YOU accept reality and know that MMA isnt the best because its on t.v. Lol.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best. its an open venue. the people you see on tv got there because they kept winning against other top level professional fighters. i know its hard for you to accept, but the dancers featured in this video didn't make their dance team by winning fights, or even training to fight. they are performance martial artists who's primary goal is to entertain. do some research and check out their website, you will find....
nicerebound 2 years ago
And still, "mma is actually on tv BECAUSE its the best." Still your opinion. And its not on their because its the best, its on their because people like to watch people bash eachother senselessly.
Which is NOT the philosophy of many other arts..
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
goofy costumes, impractically deep stances, forms, trophies, demos, acrobatics etc. and not one single picture or video of a fight. what does that tell you? to me, this suggests that the people in this video concentrate on theatrical performances. you are arguing for the dancers. there are pro fighters, and these dancers, and you are seriously arguing for the dancers?
i state again....accept reality
nicerebound 2 years ago
i also find it necessary to address your inane comment about jackie chan and jet li. they are both entertainment martial artists, and each have admitted that they could not beat mma fighters. i believe jet li commented on the set of unleashed that tito ortiz would destroy him in a real fight, despite the fictional movie outcome of their encounter.
esmaelmajedi, your name suggests you are a nerd. there are no jedi, no real ninjas, no all powerful shaolin monks. your a nerd, with nerd fantasies
nicerebound 2 years ago
Tries that shit on me and ill spit in his eye cobra styley
TOOLBOXTIM 2 years ago
>XD
veshkeat 2 years ago
Haha your probably one of those "Gangstah badazzz pwner kidz"
You spit in his eye and youll lose an eye before it can blink.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
This Martial artist is great and the style is deadly all the strikes are 100 times more deadly than a punch you can't stop what you don't know or have not been trained to stop. The old snake style masters of the past were not fools and fought in death matches this stuff is no joke.
5 stars!!!
Master Moran
zankwack 2 years ago
for what reason would you want to go to the ground in a fight? its just a test of muscle then. and plus when your on the ground it is pretty much impossible to fight more than 1 person.
aikido573 2 years ago
Lol If anyone thinks this is a real "fighting' style and not a arts style. then your retarded.
It would be so easy to get his back, then boom. Rear naked chokedthehellout
justisftw 3 years ago
accualy. no... this could be used as a real fighting style, once hes got you ur screwed, its a more defensive style, the weird snake thingy with his hand was a NICE distraction... onces ur off guard. you wont even have time to say bye
yuki953 3 years ago
ya, or he just hits you in the throat with his fingers hard enough to colapse your windpipe before you can try to gay him up with your "rear naked" anything.
shinkengatsxa 2 years ago
Kung fu is designed to take on many, MMA will only work 1 on 1.
clickityclack666 2 years ago
This is just my opinion but I think you could fuck people with all this kung fu bullshit but if like someone strong and knows at least some stuff about fighting landed a clean shot it would end the fight. Im not so positive about all this like hand/finger jabbing. and besides i dont know of alot of people that would actually hit people in the throat just for a normal fight not like life or death.
CG0R3 2 years ago
fark... looks awsome :)
bouncerhiphop 3 years ago
ha ha ha ha, you really think ground fighting looks like that?
nicerebound 3 years ago
that looks more like ground fighting than snake kung fu it is still great.
shiroazumari 3 years ago
either dance or fight. you wanna look cool then dance. you wanna hurt people than fight.
you wanna do both, then prepare to fail
nicerebound 3 years ago
I don't think you understand kungfu... The moves are imitated from animals and are highly effective, this has been proven over and over. There is a reason the shaolin monks were feared.
And just a note, snake style works extremely well with pressure point fighting. Three good hits and you are down, no matter how much muscle you have.
Donvermicelli 3 years ago
you aren't basing this on anything. what proof? where are these fabled shaolin monks? if they ever did exist, 1. they are long dead 2. they didn't fight anything like this
let me educate you, as a result of the chinese cultural revolution, all forms of actual competitive combat were banned and only performance arts were allowed. until recently this has been the case, so this crap you see is purely performance art, animal styles suck. i took them when i was young and dumb
nicerebound 3 years ago
Your still dumb though. These styles have been around since before jesus was born, and your saying some dumbass MMA fighter can just pounce on them? let me educate YOU, a student that has been trained in a style such as this can easily take on some ring fighter no matter how much muscle or ego that "badazz" has
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
As to your assertion that a student trained in this or, indeed, MOST of the extreme styles of Wu Shu, such as Mantis or Scorpion would NEVER stand up in an actual MMA event where they would ACTUALLY get punched or grappled. Only in tournaments where they face only other styles like their own and they only tap fight do they excel. In an actual event where you would get full on punched vs a fighter who is himself used to being punched you would be owned as would your fellow students.
Wonko101 2 years ago
In a real life everyday situation where you dont have a referee and your ACTUALLY on your own, you would be "owned" as would your fellow students.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
Hey dickhead, I HAVE fought in real life fights. All your fancy snake style crap would never and HAS never worked in real world fights. Boxing and grappling work FAR better than any of this fancy gymnastics shit.
Wonko101 2 years ago
Wow lol Namecalling Does show the discipline and nature of your Nature doesnt it XD
Actually ive been in many real world fights and some of them I was "jumped" because of my training I have never gotten "beat up"
And I have complete respect for boxing,grappling,muay thai, and other MMA styles. But most of them train for the ring and unless your fighting a 1 vs 1 In real life I doubt they could do as well as a martial artist when faced with several Experienced fighters. My opinion.
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
Muay Thai and MMA fighters can easily hold their own on the street. Hell, I practice Judo and Isshinryu Karate and I have so I know a figher used to real punching and grappling easily can as well. Sorry for the name calling but, seriously, this gymnastics stuff just like capoeira is good for getting you in shape but not for actual fighting.
Wonko101 2 years ago
Haha nice nice I just said I dont think many fighters trained for the ring can Do AS well in the street against MULTIPLE opponents (they're trained less as far as i understand for those situations)
And ive taken Kenpo for a long while,some jj and a friend taught me some of the reasons and what not about Muay thai and boxing, I Respect all fighers. I just stated my opinion and that other guy is FREAKAKING OUT OVER IT
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
I note that you dropped your "Jackie Chan and Jet LI" as examples of Wu Shu. While Jet Li IS an accomplished Wu Shu martial artist he DOES acknowledge that what he does is ENTERTAINMENT. He fully acknowledges that he would most likely lose in MMA. You can look this up. As for Jackie Chan he NEVER has said he was a martial artist he is a trained ACTOR for the Peking Opera.
Wonko101 2 years ago
About Jet li, Duh he is an actor But he IS trained as a martial artist. And jackie chan IS a kung fu practitioner since he was a young child.
You need to do an OUNCE of research
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
my last post was 3 months ago...but i'll entertain this bullshit anyways
what you are witnessing is an acrobatic/dance demo that is ultimately the sad product of the chinese cultural revolution. Mao Zi Dong killed or forced most skilled MA out of China. when secularized kung fu was once again permitted, it became a shit-fest of flashy crap that never withstood the test of combat. snake style is a quintessential example.
there is no record of snake style ever being used effectively in combat
nicerebound 2 years ago
Also, if you look at the RESULTS rather than the propaganda you will see that fancy side arts such as snake, crane, mantis etc NEVER stand up in the ring.
Wonko101 3 years ago
So your saying a professional like Jet li or jackie chan or a monk would lose to some swinging dumbass in a ring?
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
A "professional" like Jackie Chan who studied "martial arts" at the Peking OPERA? HAHAHA...dude learn something before you post! What I'm saying is that most martial arts ring fighting, such as that seen in tournies, are complete crap tap fighting. For such "fighters" it is quite an eye opening experience to actually get punched full force. Now, Muay Thai and such styles that DO have full contact are great fighters. Kata competitions and demonstrations don't make great fighters.
hotpinkmormon 2 years ago
Sorry, my wife was signed in, so the comment from hotpinkmormon was from me.
Wonko101 2 years ago
forms shouldn't be taken as away of looking how good the styles fighting system its a way of looking at the artistic point of the style its up to the practitioner to be a good fighter and to be able to use it in every day life whether it be from traditional to modern day martial arts its still all good.
singer20 3 years ago 2
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm not knocking this style, if you like it, that's fine. But there is no rule in most MMA outlawing this strike, and the first few UFCs had very few rules. A punch is more effective and that is why UFC fighters study boxing instead of this.
mattm1836 3 years ago
thats a nice story chasong. the fact remains, no one has ever documented the effective use of snake style.
and smacking a black belt in what? black belts are a dime a dozen, i have a few, big deal.
you don't understand what a paradox is
you needlessly quoted 'experience'
and what do you mean space between the nose and chin??? you mean the mouth? you fucking retard! you really think its a good idea to jab your fingers at someone's mouth?
if this shit works, why hasn't it ever been documented
nicerebound 3 years ago
Yeah, I still study traditional chinese martial arts, but I also know you cant rely on that alone. I take certain techniques that do work and apply it with other styles to become more rounded.
I agree black belt does not mean squat. Almost anyone can get them anywhere. It doesnt have the connotation as it did in the past.
vortexblade 3 years ago
What about jujitsu? Joe stevenson just got his, Frank Mir broke Tim Sylvia's arm to earn his blackbelt. Old martialarts are moreorless an art, so even being useless doesnt mean they're demise.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 3 years ago
moot point, spearhands strikes are legal in almost every full contact league.
next?
nicerebound 3 years ago
please explain to me why it is a dumb question?
i would think that an effective method of hurting someone would be used in competitions where the primary objective is to hurt the other person. when considering the fact that millions of fighters compete worldwide , one would assume that these finger jabs would show up now and then. they are legal in several organizations and as this youtube video demonstrates, snake style is no secret.
btw, i like tea
nicerebound 3 years ago
i hold a second degree black belt in tae kwon do, brown belt in chito ryu karate, and a purple belt in eagle claw kung fu
it took me a while to realize how bogus my training was. no one wants to admit they spent years learning crap.
but after a humiliating few years of REAL training, i can look back and laugh
and then get angry and criticize
im just trying to help you guys. don't make my mistake
nicerebound 3 years ago
yawn...
YOUR training, not the styles, were crap
its down to you - the martial artist
and not the art
l was beltless when l smacked a 5 dan black belt
aint about the belt either - its about the martial artist
what l find sad is the paradox of your 'experience' in martial arts and you laughing at the snake style.
Finger jabs to the eyes, neck area, space between nose and chin, thumb strikes are extremely effective.
lf they dint work for YOU
YOU just dint know how to use them
chasong 3 years ago
Agreed. Having studied Tang Soo Do and Shotokan, I can say there is some useful stuff in there, but kata is a complete waste of time, and so are the traditional stances. Soemone who wants to learn to defend themselves would make better use of time and money in a boxing gym or BJJ school.
mattm1836 3 years ago
Okay, I'm pretty sure if that all of you were real martial artists you would have learnt one of the cardinal rules.
Respect.
All I see here is bashing what other people believe in.Maybe to some people martial art's is a way of life and not just used for fighting.
StridentTrooper 3 years ago
there are no rules against finger jabs in mixed martial arts, nhb tournaments, or k1 kickboxing
and no one uses them because they are dumb as shit
you fucking traditional martial arts pretenders think you have any fucking clue. i fight for a fucking living and you guys go to some mcdojo every week or so and you wanna tell me how fighting works. you assholes have probably never been in a fight
keep dancing around like idiots if you want but stop calling it martial arts, theres nothing martial
nicerebound 3 years ago
Ok so you dont like traditional Martial Arts, like Wushu.(Kung Fu). Twi kwon do, ninjutsu, EXT. So Bruce Li was a bad fighter in your apinion I know he was a actor but he was a badass fighter also, traditional martial arts work, I havent studied martial Arts for a long time but when i did the Dojo i attended taught both I studied a traditional Korean style, but judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Teachers would come in and we would study with them so why hate, have you ever taken a Traditional Art
MksRPM 3 years ago
and don't give me that "every art and style is actually kung fu" crap
this is largely a fabrication of suburban sifus and the crazy chinese government that insists china is responsible for everything. irrelevant too because modern kung fu looks nothing like real fighting styles and therefore could be far less effective despite some lame origin story
fact of the matter...
Snake has never been caught on camera working
no good fighters use it
by concept, its impractical
it ignores anatomy
nicerebound 3 years ago
ha ha ha, im slightly skeptical of martial art BS so that makes me an mma fanboy. i train and compete mma if that helps clear up any misconceptions
if these finger jabs work, then why aren't they used in competitive fighting?
and your reference to police does not intimidate me. fighting is a small part of what they do, fighting is pretty much all i do. if a smart cop wanted to know more about unarmed combat, they would come to someone like me, not some deluded finger jabbing sifu
nicerebound 3 years ago
if these finger jabs work, then why aren't they used in competitive fighting?
thats a stupid question, its like asking "why cant i hit the guy in the throat, or poke the guy in the eye"
there are rules in those competition thats why theyre not used.
flexchan 3 years ago
up yourself much?
dude you need to just sit back, relax and have some tea or something, that is, if your not too rock solid and undefeatable to be seen drinking tea. You sounds like a really bad Van Damme villain lol talking about alla this and "if these finger jabs work, then why aren't they used in competitive fighting?"
dumb question much?
Mclovin1161 3 years ago
how do you know it works?
nicerebound 3 years ago
ROfl, you must be a MMA fanboy. For your information , my instructor as well as other students at my Kung FU school are in Law enforcement and they use their Kung Fu on a regular basis. Mostly chin na techniques. Which are the grandfather of BJJ, Aikido , Judo etc....... Kung fu started it all. SO go read a book about it before you critique it.
Bowser666 3 years ago
but what if they aren't all good...
like tkd...
which i have a black belt in yet would never use in a fight or competition
i took kung fu and all kinds of other crappy martial arts. i can bash this silly crap all i want. they took my money and my time
fuck tma
nicerebound 3 years ago
what the fuck do u kno. u can use snake in a real fight,but u have to condition ur fingers to make it hurts the foe and u can block with it and stirke with it. so don't being saying it not usefull u fucking dick shit
Iamasian4 3 years ago
shut the fuck up all you fucking fuckers. i practice martial arts and i respect all forms of it including shao lin and wushu and who the fuck cares if its in a real fight or not. each martial art has a strength and weakness so stop commenting negatively and grow up and say they are all good
TKDbeast94 3 years ago
unfortunately i have not had the opportunity to fight a human snake. i trained with human eagles before i wised up and started taking real MA. i've also sparred with a tiger style guy. never anything i could call a legit fight though. snuke-fu and all the other deluded animal stylist seem to avoid real confrontation, which is probably best for them.
has anyone seen a video of applied snake-fu? i'd be really curious to see how much goofier it looks in a real fight.
nicerebound 3 years ago
im sure all the nerds in your kung fu class think finger jabs are totally painful, you try that shit in a real fight against a real fighter, your gonna get laughed at and beaten down
nicerebound 3 years ago
have you ever fought anyone using a style like this?
KeyBreaker10 3 years ago
"no, but you can spearhand your hand under the side of someones jaw you can completely rip that shit if you wanna be violent, or you can control them while cutting off their breathing"
i cant be degrading yet i have to endure unrealistic nerd fantasies of martial ability such as this. what doe it even mean to 'rip that shit'
pokes with a finger hurt more than pats with a fist
punches hurt way more than both, and you cant spearhand someone with the power of a punch, you break your hands
nicerebound 3 years ago
im a real fighter, i dont appreciate you fakers mucking up the reputation of martial arts
you dweebs train for decades without even testing your skills
at least pick a fucking fight
preferably get a sanctioned fight, however you can do that with a snake style kung fu background, and then you will see how useless this crap is
you look like children with goofy animal movements
nicerebound 3 years ago
the acrobatics actually arent very impressive
nicerebound 3 years ago
i hit my funny bone constantly, unusually often...im not kidding either its kind of rediculous
thats really nothing to do with chi though
nicerebound 3 years ago
Great acrobatic skill. Martial ability is garbage though.
glimmeroftruth 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
finger conditioning has some effect, but anatomical structure remains the same. a spearhand might piss someone off but you can't knock someone out, can't break any bones, might knock the wind out of someone with weak abs, but then your just bullying the poor guy, so its almost completely useless.
but let me guess...a properly placed spear hand from a true snakejutsu master could force enough chi into an opponents vital organs and disrupt their meridian flow thus ending the life force?
nicerebound 3 years ago
no, but you can spearhand your hand under the side of someones jaw you can completely rip that shit if you wanna be violent, or you can control them while cutting off their breathing.
One of my instructors had emphasis on shequan and his finger tips hurt more than a fist did, so DON'T TELLLLL ME.
DeftJay 3 years ago
Next time please don't be a dick with your sarcastic, degrading terms.
DeftJay 3 years ago
well, depends on the set of fingers. These guys do the iron body training for years and their fingers are extremely hard they train them by doing stuff like hand standing on one finger and feet/one foot on the wall. So i highly doubt they can break in a spear hand in combat
LifeOnDaProwl 3 years ago
anyone with a moderately developed chest could withstand a spear hand from any non-mutant set of fingers
fingers break guys, they are full of joints, they absorp shock, they are long and thin, they just aren't good weapons. this is silly
nicerebound 3 years ago
Yeah but Snake users wouldn't aim for the cheast they aim for joints and eyes and other vunrable points
almanacofsleep 3 years ago
you are officialy a moron. Spearhand and snake style attacks are meant for SOFT Tissue !!! Chest is NOT soft tissue. Soft tissue is groin, eyes, throat, as well as certain pressure points. Are you really trying to sound un educated ?
Bowser666 3 years ago
pleas people why the player don't show up on my screen
by the way i have a flash player
ZOHANalbasra 3 years ago
Those who train in this technique have powerful fingers (although there are no muscles in the fingers the bones are strong) I have no doubt in my mind if you were jabbed full force in the chest by one of these guys, oww.
bboyjiraiya 3 years ago
no doubt bending a spear on the pit of your throat is pretty crazy, but it has nothing to do with fighting
nicerebound 3 years ago
Maybe not, but you try a snake-style strike against someone with that level of conditioning. It's not going to work.
LuckySevenSamson 3 years ago