i dont see what the big deal is. even if the play was legal, he still got tagged. if the runner was trying to play it off like he wasn't tagged, then he has no place in baseball.
the right knee grazes the glove ... if you stop at 0:14 you can see his hand below the glove, which will cover the fielders face later in the scene but ... he tagged him right there
it seems to me, chuckfan, that you're quoting part of a rule but ignoring the other part. I think that, "as long as the fielder is lying on the ground" is a big deal for safety reasons. NFHS state it this way because in the situation in this video, if a cleat were to catch the fielders face, he could lose an eye or possibly worse. It's a safety thing. In the casebook, situation 8.4.2 situation T and U, they both say that hurdling etc. over a fielder that isn't lying on the ground is illegal.
I'd have to agree with KMC on this one. If the rule buddaman200522 stated earlier is a HS rule, then the runner is out no matter what in this play. He hurdled a player which was NOT lying on the ground. I don't do HS ball b/c of their quarky rules like this one but if this is the exact rule stated in the book, then there is no interpretation needed. It is clearly stated in black and white that he can't hurdle a player who is not lying on the ground. The runner is out on the tag and the hurdle.
Your wrong on a couple issues. I see a tag at app 12 seconds. Its not illegal to "hurdle" a fielder. It is illegal to "dive". This runner wasnt diving. So you have some insight, umpires take what information they get, and make the call. If Im the BU, I see a runner trying to get back, I see the glove at the body, well short of the base. An out, any level. Thats an out on the tag. Nothing here about the leap. Hurdle is ok, dive is not.
actually you're wrong. It's illegal to hurdle a fielder unless the fielder is flat on the ground. I know this for a fact because I called it in a game last year and our president overturned my call. After the game I got the casebook out and it said very clearly that hurdling an infielder is a safety issue, and is an automatic out.
Depends on how you interpet. FED rule 8.4.2.D diving is illegal. Hurdling is not diving.FED case book is filled with inconsistenices. For example there is a case play where F1 leaning in to get the sign and F1 moves his glove in a circular motion for F2 to repeat the signs. Case book says this is a balk, however theres no mention in the rule book. Do we really want to pick up the crappy end of the stick and call a balk? Theres no deception. Same with this play. If he dives, out. If not, play on.
Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal. Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal. Good call chuck
Guess we will just have to disagree. The rule book is the determining factor. Thats the Bible of Baseball. The rule book mentions diving. Thats it. Diving is not hurdling. If I see a safety issue, regardless of the type of slide, Ill get that. If I see a dive (as the rule book states), Ill get that. But If I see a normal baseball play, and I determine it to not be a "dive", then play on. We can come up with countless "what-ifs" or variations. But its whats in the book that counts, not what isnt
The rule book clearly states "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal...AS LONG AS THE FIELDER IS LYING ON THE GROUND" Which means, Like I said, if the fielder is NOT lying on the ground (i.e. he is kneeling) then the hurdle is illegal.
I stated chapter and verse.... give me the rule reference from the rule book. Which in a protest situation determines the outcome. Here it is again for you.. Chapter 8 Section 4 Article 2 D "dives over a fielder"... clearly stated. Which means, in the judgment of the umpire, what is a dive. In the above play, that is not a dive.
Look, its just some advice Kmcnelly. Take it or leave it. Move your career along as you like, as will I. Started in 2004 was doing HS varsity in a year and in my 3rd year doing JC and DIII,in So Calif where the ball is outstanding, as well as an instructor for my youth and HS assoc. I havnt gone astray because I know the rule book,more importantly how its called on the field. Big difference, as in the case play balk, but not in the rule book. You see it all the time at all levels.
it seems to me, chuckfan, that you're quoting part of a rule but ignoring the other part. I think that, "as long as the fielder is lying on the ground" is a big deal for safety reasons. NFHS state it this way because in the situation in this video, if a cleat were to catch the fielders face, he could lose an eye or possibly worse. It's a safety thing. In the casebook, situation 8.4.2 situation T and U, they both say that hurdling etc. over a fielder that isn't lying on the ground is illegal.
Oh, and BTW (with all due respect because I do respect your comments, you seem to be a very knowlegable (SP?) umpire), I am in my third year of umpiring and am doing 4A varsity, as well as JC baseball/softball. I chose not to pursue more than that because I am busy with school myself.
@chuckfan1 It's a little league game, Most diving and things like this are illegal. I was once playing where I was running, kid was in the baseline, he was going to catch the grounder, so to avoid him (so i didn't hit him and hurt him, not to avoid an out) I tried to run behind him. He backed up into me, made me flip over him, I got to the base before anyone tagged me, and SOMEHOW I was called out. If I did it on accident and was called out, this guy is out.
stupid scott actullay
69jakeshupp69 7 months ago
i dont see what the big deal is. even if the play was legal, he still got tagged. if the runner was trying to play it off like he wasn't tagged, then he has no place in baseball.
battledog13 11 months ago
how is this a amazing play?
Eduar21MLB 1 year ago
Yeah boy, I kinda like our black jerseys, but our white ones are going to be sickkkk.
cms444 2 years ago
HES OUT OF THERE!!!
x0courtneyjx0 2 years ago
u guys are FUCKING BLIND!!!!! hit HAND tagged him not his GLOVE his HAND, his GLOVE HAND was coveing his FACE
Splunet 2 years ago
ehhh, i think his right knee grazes the glove...
pocketlint09 2 years ago
the right knee grazes the glove ... if you stop at 0:14 you can see his hand below the glove, which will cover the fielders face later in the scene but ... he tagged him right there
Jinxteru 2 years ago
OUT
SPORTSCARDKID 2 years ago
the runner was tagged on the left knee
addictedtobaseball 2 years ago
yeahh he was
Chuzzy5020 2 years ago
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he didnt avoid contact he out.
critter2 3 years ago
hahaha seriously, theres no way you can say he didn't get tagged. Nice try, but he was out
Sundevilhp29 3 years ago 7
his ass was tagged out
paratrooper10 3 years ago 4
it seems to me, chuckfan, that you're quoting part of a rule but ignoring the other part. I think that, "as long as the fielder is lying on the ground" is a big deal for safety reasons. NFHS state it this way because in the situation in this video, if a cleat were to catch the fielders face, he could lose an eye or possibly worse. It's a safety thing. In the casebook, situation 8.4.2 situation T and U, they both say that hurdling etc. over a fielder that isn't lying on the ground is illegal.
kmcnelly 3 years ago 5
I'd have to agree with KMC on this one. If the rule buddaman200522 stated earlier is a HS rule, then the runner is out no matter what in this play. He hurdled a player which was NOT lying on the ground. I don't do HS ball b/c of their quarky rules like this one but if this is the exact rule stated in the book, then there is no interpretation needed. It is clearly stated in black and white that he can't hurdle a player who is not lying on the ground. The runner is out on the tag and the hurdle.
chaz1177 3 years ago
super scott's in my us history class tehe
LellowPranger7 4 years ago
Out.
DennieLemeux 4 years ago
Your wrong on a couple issues. I see a tag at app 12 seconds. Its not illegal to "hurdle" a fielder. It is illegal to "dive". This runner wasnt diving. So you have some insight, umpires take what information they get, and make the call. If Im the BU, I see a runner trying to get back, I see the glove at the body, well short of the base. An out, any level. Thats an out on the tag. Nothing here about the leap. Hurdle is ok, dive is not.
chuckfan1 4 years ago
actually you're wrong. It's illegal to hurdle a fielder unless the fielder is flat on the ground. I know this for a fact because I called it in a game last year and our president overturned my call. After the game I got the casebook out and it said very clearly that hurdling an infielder is a safety issue, and is an automatic out.
kmcnelly 4 years ago
Depends on how you interpet. FED rule 8.4.2.D diving is illegal. Hurdling is not diving.FED case book is filled with inconsistenices. For example there is a case play where F1 leaning in to get the sign and F1 moves his glove in a circular motion for F2 to repeat the signs. Case book says this is a balk, however theres no mention in the rule book. Do we really want to pick up the crappy end of the stick and call a balk? Theres no deception. Same with this play. If he dives, out. If not, play on.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
"as long as the fielder is lying on the ground." Which means if he is not lying (as in this video, he is kneeling), hurdling is illegal.
kmcnelly 3 years ago
your my hero now! but chuckfan1 you are super GAY!!!!
hatewarmilk 4 years ago
FED 8-4-2b2
Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal. Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal. Good call chuck
buddaman200522 3 years ago
"as long as the fielder is lying on the ground." Which means if he is not lying (as in this video, he is kneeling), hurdling is illegal.
kmcnelly 3 years ago
Guess we will just have to disagree. The rule book is the determining factor. Thats the Bible of Baseball. The rule book mentions diving. Thats it. Diving is not hurdling. If I see a safety issue, regardless of the type of slide, Ill get that. If I see a dive (as the rule book states), Ill get that. But If I see a normal baseball play, and I determine it to not be a "dive", then play on. We can come up with countless "what-ifs" or variations. But its whats in the book that counts, not what isnt
chuckfan1 3 years ago
The rule book clearly states "Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal...AS LONG AS THE FIELDER IS LYING ON THE GROUND" Which means, Like I said, if the fielder is NOT lying on the ground (i.e. he is kneeling) then the hurdle is illegal.
kmcnelly 3 years ago
I stated chapter and verse.... give me the rule reference from the rule book. Which in a protest situation determines the outcome. Here it is again for you.. Chapter 8 Section 4 Article 2 D "dives over a fielder"... clearly stated. Which means, in the judgment of the umpire, what is a dive. In the above play, that is not a dive.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
Look, its just some advice Kmcnelly. Take it or leave it. Move your career along as you like, as will I. Started in 2004 was doing HS varsity in a year and in my 3rd year doing JC and DIII,in So Calif where the ball is outstanding, as well as an instructor for my youth and HS assoc. I havnt gone astray because I know the rule book,more importantly how its called on the field. Big difference, as in the case play balk, but not in the rule book. You see it all the time at all levels.
chuckfan1 3 years ago
it seems to me, chuckfan, that you're quoting part of a rule but ignoring the other part. I think that, "as long as the fielder is lying on the ground" is a big deal for safety reasons. NFHS state it this way because in the situation in this video, if a cleat were to catch the fielders face, he could lose an eye or possibly worse. It's a safety thing. In the casebook, situation 8.4.2 situation T and U, they both say that hurdling etc. over a fielder that isn't lying on the ground is illegal.
kmcnelly 3 years ago
Oh, and BTW (with all due respect because I do respect your comments, you seem to be a very knowlegable (SP?) umpire), I am in my third year of umpiring and am doing 4A varsity, as well as JC baseball/softball. I chose not to pursue more than that because I am busy with school myself.
kmcnelly 3 years ago
@chuckfan1 It's a little league game, Most diving and things like this are illegal. I was once playing where I was running, kid was in the baseline, he was going to catch the grounder, so to avoid him (so i didn't hit him and hurt him, not to avoid an out) I tried to run behind him. He backed up into me, made me flip over him, I got to the base before anyone tagged me, and SOMEHOW I was called out. If I did it on accident and was called out, this guy is out.
mounsteres 1 year ago