im watching this film on TCM...classic struggle...should be viewed by all interested in justice...we must destroy capitalism..imperialism and the american empire..
Yes, life is very hard, but this couple isn't going to get anywhere if they don't stop bickering & try to understand one another & work together & that's in any year. It's easier to break one stick than two or more. Thanks FlintPublic & my heart really goes out to the children who suffers most of all. Blessings to you..
without consumers, the rich are powerless. we must buy their product or services to make them rich. they employ us and pay us, so we can buy more products. and if they give us shit, we won't take it. thanks for uploading this film.
...and that was the most epic wood chopping ever. lol
Thanks for posting this. I watched this as a teenager with a group of comrades and a gentleman (who had ultimately become a labor organizer) who actually had a small role in the movie. Quite an interesting history about the film from what I recall.
On the other hand, Salt of the Earth, which was an authentic and I thought very well-done story about a strike and the people involved in it, that was just flat killed, I don't even think it was shown anywhere. I mean, you could see it at an art theater, I guess, but that was about it. I don't know what those of you who know something about film would think of it, but I thought it was a really outstanding film."- Noam Chomsky (excerpted from Understanding Power, The New Press - 2002)
So On the Waterfront is about this Marlon Brando or somebody who stands up for the poor working man against the corrupt union boss. Okay, things like that exist, but that's not unions -- I mean, sure, there are plenty of union bosses who are crooked, but nowhere near as many as C.E.O.s who are crooked, or what have you. But since On the Waterfront combined that anti-union message with "standing up for the poor working man," it became a huge hit. @mikey60077
Now, you can ride the crest of the wave and try to use it to get power, which is the standard thing, or you can ride the crest of the wave because you're helping people that way" It came out at the same time as On the Waterfront, which is a rotten movie. And On the Waterfront became a huge hit -- because it was anti-union. See, On the Waterfront was part of a big campaign to destroy unions while pretending to be for, you know, Joe Sixpack. @mikey60077
This is the one movie Noam Chomsky cites as "factually accurate", because it shows that "the real work is being done by people who are not known, that's always been true in every popular movement in history. The people who are known are riding the crest of some wave. @mikey60077
Just ignore uzijohn, he doesn't understand the fact that 70% of the business in this country survives on consumer purchases.
If the middle class and more importantly, the poor (the most reliable spenders) lack purchasing power and proper income levels, the result is anemic growth for all of America. When the middle and lower classes have higher purchasing powers, the economy roars.
When inequality between the classes rises, America suffers in terms of economic growth.
Also about uzijohn - there's nothing wrong with "an average high-school educated" person making more than a University Professor! You don't deserve more money than someone else just because you have a higher degree than them. That's a comment that shows where a persons values are.
But 1 good point lurking in uzijohn's comment - there needs to be better labor cooperation, not just securing a good contract for me, but for all workers.
Changes to UAW work rules being voted on now will impact safety. $14/hr, no pension, no healthcare in retirement is not fair compensation for 30 yrs of body-breaking labor. That's what was forced on new union autoworkers in '07. Why would non-union autoworkers still get $23/hr? That won't last. The new philosophy that never-quenchable thirst for profits at the wealth creators' (workers') expense is natural & good won't allow it. Is a race to poverty reasonable? Is your impartiality an illusion?
Where are those figures from? Center for Union Facts? This is 2009. New hires are making $14/hr. No pension. Gutted health benefits. Sounds like those profs need a union. Non-union autoworkers are only making as much as they do because of the UAW. We need more people making more money, not less. We can all work for slave wages and have the corporate class keep the rest, but they only have so much time to spend all that money that once was ours. Our labor creates all wealth. Yes, ALL wealth.
@FlintPublic This story is just like my moms and my dads. They came here with nothing and made something. I will tell you that we are at war with the elite. We are to endure thru all of this. Were will it all end. I know that we are the salt of the earth
"for the poor shall inherit the earth" "for you are the salt of the earth but if the earth lose its saltiness where will it gain it again"
@SBFHawk1 Thanks for sharing this testimony, Hawk! Couldn't agree more. All working class people (and if you're not the boss, that's you) have more in common with each other than the bosses we've convinced ourselves are our benevolent pals. The sooner we act on that knowledge, on solidarity, the sooner things will get better for those who make all wealth and all societies possible. Onward!
I have many sources, the one I cited came from Autoblog . com Search
U of M Economics professor tackles tough question of UAW wages
The $14 dollar an hour figure is a purposeful half truth, brand new unskilled employees dont start with top wages or benefits anywhere, as an employee gains skill theyre value and compensation increases (what a novel idea)
Once Vested all the benefits kick-in
Ill try putting the articles address on my page under comments
Wow about a new version, unions become the #1 driving force in politics, they involve themselves with organized crime and corrupt politicians
Then they're own greed could exceed that of business owners, common citizens hate them but are forced to pay theyre excessive wages through inflated price
Lets show UAW workers costing $73 an hour and running jobs out of the country
For the final scene they bankrupt GM, the largest company in America
Change hedge fund managers, bankers, CEOs, Wall Street brokers, real estate agents and other wealth skimmers for the UAW. Come on, folks, autoworkers did not wreck the economy. You either pick on them out of fear of the real culprits or out and out naivety about the nature of money and power. You have much more in common with a factory rat than a titan of money shuffling. Know your enemies. Better yet, know your allies. Solidarity
it was $7x/per hour in total worth of the benefits.
What happened was decline of wages across the board despite rising productivity, meaning cost of living went / but wages went -, so to live labor borrowed credit that was in fact their original productivity loaned to them at interest in lieu of wages! People couldnt afford it, it collapsed.
So why were the makerz (the writerz, producerz and director) of this film blacklisted in Hollywood?
1ballz08 5 months ago
@1ballz08 They were victims of Wisconsin Senator Joe McCarthy's communist witch hunt.
FlintPublic 5 months ago
@FlintPublic Ah, I see. Thanx for that info, Flint. I'll definitely have to look into this more. :)
1ballz08 5 months ago
im watching this film on TCM...classic struggle...should be viewed by all interested in justice...we must destroy capitalism..imperialism and the american empire..
SLACKER614 8 months ago
@SLACKER614 Here, here!
FlintPublic 8 months ago
Yes, life is very hard, but this couple isn't going to get anywhere if they don't stop bickering & try to understand one another & work together & that's in any year. It's easier to break one stick than two or more. Thanks FlintPublic & my heart really goes out to the children who suffers most of all. Blessings to you..
outerspaceoutpost 1 year ago
Capitalism is tyranny, always.
SpectacleofDebord 1 year ago 2
without consumers, the rich are powerless. we must buy their product or services to make them rich. they employ us and pay us, so we can buy more products. and if they give us shit, we won't take it. thanks for uploading this film.
...and that was the most epic wood chopping ever. lol
RevelationWarriors 1 year ago
thats why the rent a centers are in black neighborhoods.
MrDavito2 1 year ago
the best american film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slovak80 1 year ago
my grandfather played luis quintero.... :)
karaokesinger83 1 year ago 3
@karaokesinger83 Your grandfather made history. Thanks for posting! Mujeres en La Lucha- March on May 1st!!
redwallace 9 months ago
Great Film - Thanks!
solidaritet2010 1 year ago
My favorite part is where Esperanza talks about being the oppressed of the oppressed.
illinoisan 1 year ago 2
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chrisawash 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this. I watched this as a teenager with a group of comrades and a gentleman (who had ultimately become a labor organizer) who actually had a small role in the movie. Quite an interesting history about the film from what I recall.
toddcurl 1 year ago
On the other hand, Salt of the Earth, which was an authentic and I thought very well-done story about a strike and the people involved in it, that was just flat killed, I don't even think it was shown anywhere. I mean, you could see it at an art theater, I guess, but that was about it. I don't know what those of you who know something about film would think of it, but I thought it was a really outstanding film."- Noam Chomsky (excerpted from Understanding Power, The New Press - 2002)
mikey60077 1 year ago
So On the Waterfront is about this Marlon Brando or somebody who stands up for the poor working man against the corrupt union boss. Okay, things like that exist, but that's not unions -- I mean, sure, there are plenty of union bosses who are crooked, but nowhere near as many as C.E.O.s who are crooked, or what have you. But since On the Waterfront combined that anti-union message with "standing up for the poor working man," it became a huge hit. @mikey60077
mikey60077 1 year ago
Now, you can ride the crest of the wave and try to use it to get power, which is the standard thing, or you can ride the crest of the wave because you're helping people that way" It came out at the same time as On the Waterfront, which is a rotten movie. And On the Waterfront became a huge hit -- because it was anti-union. See, On the Waterfront was part of a big campaign to destroy unions while pretending to be for, you know, Joe Sixpack. @mikey60077
mikey60077 1 year ago
This is the one movie Noam Chomsky cites as "factually accurate", because it shows that "the real work is being done by people who are not known, that's always been true in every popular movement in history. The people who are known are riding the crest of some wave. @mikey60077
mikey60077 1 year ago
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renMcgowa 1 year ago
Just ignore uzijohn, he doesn't understand the fact that 70% of the business in this country survives on consumer purchases.
If the middle class and more importantly, the poor (the most reliable spenders) lack purchasing power and proper income levels, the result is anemic growth for all of America. When the middle and lower classes have higher purchasing powers, the economy roars.
When inequality between the classes rises, America suffers in terms of economic growth.
pratt123 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing these great thoughts, Pratt.
FlintPublic 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this! Very cool movie.
Also about uzijohn - there's nothing wrong with "an average high-school educated" person making more than a University Professor! You don't deserve more money than someone else just because you have a higher degree than them. That's a comment that shows where a persons values are.
But 1 good point lurking in uzijohn's comment - there needs to be better labor cooperation, not just securing a good contract for me, but for all workers.
peterfdrucker 2 years ago
Changes to UAW work rules being voted on now will impact safety. $14/hr, no pension, no healthcare in retirement is not fair compensation for 30 yrs of body-breaking labor. That's what was forced on new union autoworkers in '07. Why would non-union autoworkers still get $23/hr? That won't last. The new philosophy that never-quenchable thirst for profits at the wealth creators' (workers') expense is natural & good won't allow it. Is a race to poverty reasonable? Is your impartiality an illusion?
FlintPublic 2 years ago
FlintPublic,
Here is the cost of an average UAW worker (2006 figures)
Ford $141,020 year per UAW worker
Chrysler $151,720 year per UAW worker
GM $146,520 year per UAW worker
THIS GREED destroyed the
American Auto Industry, do I pity these Unions? look at the numbers again!
An average high-school educated UAW auto worker costs 57% more than a University Professor with a PHD
An average Non-Union U.S. Honda, Nissan or Toyota worker costs $96,000 per year, I call that REASONABLE
uzijohn 2 years ago
Where are those figures from? Center for Union Facts? This is 2009. New hires are making $14/hr. No pension. Gutted health benefits. Sounds like those profs need a union. Non-union autoworkers are only making as much as they do because of the UAW. We need more people making more money, not less. We can all work for slave wages and have the corporate class keep the rest, but they only have so much time to spend all that money that once was ours. Our labor creates all wealth. Yes, ALL wealth.
FlintPublic 2 years ago
@FlintPublic This story is just like my moms and my dads. They came here with nothing and made something. I will tell you that we are at war with the elite. We are to endure thru all of this. Were will it all end. I know that we are the salt of the earth
"for the poor shall inherit the earth" "for you are the salt of the earth but if the earth lose its saltiness where will it gain it again"
SBFHawk1 1 year ago
@SBFHawk1 Thanks for sharing this testimony, Hawk! Couldn't agree more. All working class people (and if you're not the boss, that's you) have more in common with each other than the bosses we've convinced ourselves are our benevolent pals. The sooner we act on that knowledge, on solidarity, the sooner things will get better for those who make all wealth and all societies possible. Onward!
FlintPublic 1 year ago
Where do those numbers come from??!?!?!?!???
FlintPublic is right in that new hires got only 14 an hour, no pension, etc.
And also, why don't those university professors unionize??? That would get their salary up.
And what the owners of private power make is very UNreasonable. They shouldn't even have that power and money to begin with.
bootleg42 2 years ago
bootleg42,
I have many sources, the one I cited came from Autoblog . com Search
U of M Economics professor tackles tough question of UAW wages
The $14 dollar an hour figure is a purposeful half truth, brand new unskilled employees dont start with top wages or benefits anywhere, as an employee gains skill theyre value and compensation increases (what a novel idea)
Once Vested all the benefits kick-in
Ill try putting the articles address on my page under comments
uzijohn 2 years ago
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uzijohn 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
bootleg42,
The union ideal that by extorting money from business, we'll all live better is a fraud, it runs off the same principle as a Ponzi Scheme
Both are insolvent, that's why they go bust!
However those that get in early walk off with all the cash, the parallel is obvious
If we doubled everyones wages would we live better? YES for a very short time
Unions have fled to civil service jobs were theres no competition to hold excessive wages in check, this has bankrupted California
uzijohn 2 years ago
@uzijohn And you think that prevented GM, Ford & Chrysler from making a good car? They still can't.
RiverboatWillie 2 years ago
Wow about a new version, unions become the #1 driving force in politics, they involve themselves with organized crime and corrupt politicians
Then they're own greed could exceed that of business owners, common citizens hate them but are forced to pay theyre excessive wages through inflated price
Lets show UAW workers costing $73 an hour and running jobs out of the country
For the final scene they bankrupt GM, the largest company in America
End the movie with everything set ablaze
uzijohn 2 years ago
Change How for Wow
uzijohn 2 years ago
Change hedge fund managers, bankers, CEOs, Wall Street brokers, real estate agents and other wealth skimmers for the UAW. Come on, folks, autoworkers did not wreck the economy. You either pick on them out of fear of the real culprits or out and out naivety about the nature of money and power. You have much more in common with a factory rat than a titan of money shuffling. Know your enemies. Better yet, know your allies. Solidarity
FlintPublic 2 years ago
FlintPublic ,
The people in this movie wanted safe working conditions and "fair" pay
But when demands exceed reasonable, businesses are destroyed or chased-off,
This causes a loss of respect for the unions and they're workers
So then, what is reasonable?
When a majority of impartial "peers" say it's fair, I'd probably agree
American CEO's are commonly overpaid, but thats another problem
Politicians wrecked our economy by obstructing reforms,
Many of them were union supported
uzijohn 2 years ago
damn wages cuttin into profits...
i hate when they do that
yr ceo's are unhinged.
nationalize the banks & auto industry.
jubileeshine 2 years ago
It was both the unions and the companies at fault.
phantastickyle 2 years ago
it was $7x/per hour in total worth of the benefits.
What happened was decline of wages across the board despite rising productivity, meaning cost of living went / but wages went -, so to live labor borrowed credit that was in fact their original productivity loaned to them at interest in lieu of wages! People couldnt afford it, it collapsed.
callingcox 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this film.
manudunk 3 years ago
Excellent! THanks! Ive studing the realistic cinema! This is so good, so deep!
manuelsmb 3 years ago
Thanks!
ectoren 3 years ago
Thank you for posting this, I am so glad that anyone and everyone can finally watch it.
Feminists, socialists, and unions ...oh my.
dogpatchgirl 3 years ago
Thanx for posting this! I look forward to waching the whole thing when I have time.
IWW610 3 years ago
So sad. I'm ready for part 2
jbrenner2007 3 years ago 2