Gary Greenberg has some similar approaches with regards to Egypt. Though I think he goes a little bit too far in claiming that Israel was a combination of exiled Egyptian Atenists (the exodus where Moses is an Atenist priest), he does do a great job at pointing out that the vast majority of the old testament has elements rooted in Egyptian mythology, word for word correspondence in many locations.
@Amishnation - Secondly, the Jews believed in She'ol, which is just the holding place for souls until the Messiah comes to battle Satan in the end days, which translates to "The Grave" Ecclesiastes gives a good understanding of that, and Messianic Prophesy in that books which leads to the final judgement.
@Amishnation - first off, no the Jews didn't think of Satan as some Arbiter, that's the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. Read Isaiah, unless that's not Jewish enough for you. Second, I was making a speculative argument. From my research, it is very probable that early Zoroastrianism had its roots in the mystery religions of Babylon, and that it had been influenced by Judaism to become a religion similar in nature to it.
@Xoroaster - most notably Cyrus the Great, whom Daniel called Darius the Mede, which is where Darius the Great got his name, according to my deduction. I'm surprised that you'd reference such obscure verses in scripture and not have known that the Jews were sold into slavery to Babylon, which would explain how their religion got there. I mean, if you're going to use scripture, at least understand the context in which it's talking. Cyrus the Great freed the Jews after he established the Persi
@Xoroaster - Ugg, I sounded like an idiot there. Ok, basically what I was trying to say: Zoroastrianism is a satanic religion tracing its roots to the mystery occult as you mapped out. You might be right that Yashua, Elyon Most High, was worshipped by the Persians, but you got cause and effect backwards. What you have to understand is that after the Deportation to Babylon the Jews brought their religion, and Daniel converted kings of Persia, most notably Cyrus the Great, whom Daniel called D
@therightintelectual Zoroastrianism is not Satanic. There was no Satan when it was developed. Ahora Mazda just means God of Light and Wisdom. How do you know that he just isn't the same God with a different name because the people who worshiped him had another language?
Also, which Satan are you referring to? The Jewish Satan who just works for God as a prosecuting attorney or the Satan Christians invented as the Devil? You did know Christians invented the Devil right?
@Xoroaster - Or rather the stewards over the Medes who I can't remember right now. Not you'd read in Daniel you'd find the prophecy of Xerxes, and the reason why they liked the persians was because the persians freed the Jews, letting them go back to their homeland. But essentially, if you get into the mystery religions of Babylon, and synthesize it with the Zoroastrian religion prior to Jewish influence, you'd find pure satanism.
@Xoroaster - Thanks for the vid, however, if i'm right, the God in Zoroastrianism is indeed Satan, and perhaps the Persians did Worship Yashua for a time instead; we say God when we really mean Yashua, or Elyon; the Zoroastrian God could just be a Philosophical step towards Yashua, and you're right they could have been the same for a time, however before the deportation to Babylon it was the median empire who held captive israel...
@Xoroaster - If you study the Occult, you'd find a strong pull towards Satanism, which is for all intents and purposes atheistic; Zarathustra was Nietzsche's character, and the character was used as a means to proselytize his philosophy. The similarities between Nietzsche's philosophy and Satanism is startling to say the least. Gnosticism and Theosophy both strike resemblances to it. Thanks for the vid, however, if i'm right, the God in Zoroastrianism is indeed Satan, and perhaps the Persians
@Xoroaster - good video. You weren't offensive or anything. Perhaps there was a blend of the Israeli religion that influenced Zoroastrianism at that time. The two could have possibly bled into one another, considering their both Monotheistic; however, what's interesting is that the Babylonian God is still being worshipped today in the form of Moloch.
I fail to see what difference it makes who influenced whom. People traveled in ancient times much more than most of us realize, exchanging ideas (and DNA)-influencing and being influenced by, one another. The concept of one transcendent God is quite common, even if different aspects are represented as "gods." The name we give the one God is a creation of our own language and worldview, obviously.
i dont see how the God of the Jews is the same God of zoroastianism when the Jewish God puts you in hell you stay there for eternity THERE IS NO GETTING OUT! You just burn in the lake of fire after the great white throne judgment
@BiGMANJOE32 Go to the Judaism 101 website and you'll see that's not true. Christians are the ones that are fond of the burning Hell that never stops. Jews believe in Gehinom which is a kind of hospital for the soul. In Gehinom one is supposedly confronted with the Demons he or she created for him or herself and has to deal with these while there. Once the soul is clean, it can ascend to God. Only the very worst people (political people He he) will remain in Gehinom forever.
Cyrus was secular he bowed down to all Gods and saw them as his own, it was a language difference however to them they were God the same he saw humanity first in everyone. He is liked by the jews because he gave freedom to the jews who were slaves so he was held highly. In his time he had a very fair kingdom compared to others such as Babylon one of high morals things we try to recreate in the modern west.
Actually Hinduism isnt about thousands of gods its all one God who comes in many forms and belive we all worship the one God even if you are a Shinto, Hindu, Sikh, Muslims, Christian, Taoist, Jew, etc as it is a Universal God like Zoroastrinism
@Xoroaster Im not as you say a full Hindu, I dont use it to describe myself more Universalist but if you wana know more read Books by Swami Dayananda Saraswati "Introdution to the Vedanta' Is a good book to start with
@Xoroaster I sent you a PM about a website its realy more a Blog but its from a Hindu in India it deals with all the politcal as well as misunderstanding of Hinduism and answers the attacks on it realy Hinduism isnt a Sanskrit word the correct name for it is Santana Dharma (Dharma means Ethics) also check up hinduism and evolution also check up this
/watch?v=ijtipfO9vdU
Its a video like yours about Genesis and the similarites of Greek and Egyptian beliefs and stories
@Xoroaster Fair Enough A good book to read is Introduction to the Vedanta from Swami Dayananda Saraswati and The Value of Values is a good book which I am currently reading also Swami Chinmayananda is also another good person who is good at explain the Vedanta and History of Hinduism his book "Vedanta: The Science of Life Understanding Human Nature is a great book of his that explains Hinduism, the Vedanta, Vedas as well as touchs on the other Dharmic faits like Buddhism, Jainism etc
@Mitchx42 Some of Hinduism believes All Gods are one. Some Hindus are Polytheistic. The Gods being manifestations of 'One God' is easier on Western minds which are saturated in a Monotheistic world view.
Splendid... except for the fact that through out their histroy, Persian kings, namely Zoroastrains, never practiced slavery in any form whereas YHWH of the Jewish religion tends to remind his people in various parts of the Torah and the Old Testament to be kind and merciful to their slaves. Also, Jews believe that descendants of Abram are God's chosen ones. However, Ahura Mazda is considered as the God of all peoples & nations without any discriminations. Cyrus had deep respect for all gods.
Which "Yaweh" is Ahura Mazda ? YHWH comes from YHW (Yahoo) Thunder/mountain God (Sinai?) of the Shassu bedouins later adopted as the head of the Israelite's pantheon (wife: Asherah) who became exclusively monotheistic following the take over of the region by the Achaemenid (ZoroastriansPersians-Cyrus).The new version of Yahweh appeared and "Judaism" was politically established in Jerusalem: then it's fair to say that Yahweh had taken lots of traits from Ahura Mazda, but not exactly equal to AM.
@soifrane Just the late constructs. Mostly the YHWH of the "bible" that is assumed to be reconstructed by Ezra around 450. Before that time, YHWH is far too nebulous to pin down. After that, YHWH begins to resemble Ahura Mazda. There is an even later construct, that incorporates parts of Ahura Mazda, but has incorporated other ideas as well. So YHWH starts to become distinct again by the first century BCE, though YHWH still maintains traits of Ahura Mazda.
@Xoroaster Thanx. Didn't know about the "even later construct" you mention. What happened in the first century BCE? Maccabeans period ? Let us know more please.
@soifrane It's the Greeks. The Greeks introduce a ton of philosophy that ends up affecting Judaism. It is around Maccabees and the Daniel constructs. Daniel is a very late interpretation. Anything later than 250 is suspect of Greek influence. Judaism begins to proselytize, and it becomes a religion for "everyone" rather than a religion for "Jews" alone.
I'm actually writing a book, more on Christianity than Judaism. It's much more easily seen in Christianity.
@Xoroaster I heard that the language of ' Sanskrit ' is older than the biblical time of ' Tower of Babel ' Sanskrit is connected with India & it's language, and the Aryans ( Persians ) had a war with India and won the battle.
Nowadays many historians think that monotheistic judaism/the Thora were born at the return of exile of the israelite elite from Babylon, freed by Cyrus and established as the new ruling class in Jerusalem, opposing "traditionnal/sort of polytheistic" israelites who had stayed in the land continuing their own ways. Cyrus is the only living person who is called "Messiah" in the old testament.
Then, maybe/why not, Judaism is a local syncretic version of Mazdaism. To be folowed :-)
Zoroaster was bactiran (avar) and not Persian! The words Persi is from Parthi, Parsee, Aparni, Abor, Opor, obor Avar. the rulers ot the avars werent asians but royal scythians!
Ancient Hungarians were Zoroastrians(Ibn Rusta says " the magyars are fire admirer" The nearest genetic relatives of ancient magyars are the middle eastern caucasian folks (subartu-sumer-elam-alania) and pontid people. The asian uralic hypothesis is fake in 100% we spoke in hurrian-ogur hun mixed language, and not in uralic.
I'm by no means an expert and there are still matters that are debatable; however, it goes a little bit more like this:
Philosphical dispute arises on the grounds of Zoroastrian reforms ( I'm trying to be Diplomatic) which includes curious reversal of deities eg. Indra good deity Vedic; but, despised by Zoroastrianism and so forth.
Animistic nature oriented religion of about 33 deities (not 3 million) obtains more of a moral ethical dimension.
The only reason most people don't know about Zoroastrianism is because the Spartans killed the Persians right? In the Thermopolee battle or whatever...If the persians would've won wouldn't all traces of Catholicism have been burned and then all of Europe would be Zoroastrianism?
@ShredWithMe You are very misinformed. Zoroastrianism is an alive religion which is being practiced mostly in south west of Iran (In states such as Yazd & Kerman) and India(they called Parsi, since they migrated from Persia aka Iran due to different reason that is not related to this topic). The battles that you are thinking about did not destroy Persian empire or death of all Persians/Iranians.
@ShredWithMe Those battles were fought by local armies who were from areas around the Greeks. Since Greeks (or more precisely Athens since they were other Greeks that were ally with Persian Empire) caused quite a trouble out there. Greeks set a town on fire Called "Sardis" which killed innocent civilians. Before that, they pirated cargo ships of Persians, disrupted the trade routes, broke the treaties they agreed on with Persian Empire.
@ShredWithMe After "Sardis", Persian empire changed its policy toward Athens. Before "Sardis", Persian Empire financially supported the "Pro-Persian" Greeks, but After the terrorist attack on "Sardis", they decided to get rid of this nuisance. Again, you are so misinformed that you don't know Persians won the battle of Thermopylae and marched in Athens and allegedly set it on fire as punishment for "Sardis". But this time no one died because Athens was evacuated before Persian came.
Ahur= awr an ancient ahurami kurdish word, In kurdish the kurds don't speak out H infront of vowels AURE MEZINDE= the real name of god, kurdish. AUR,AGER,AZER= kurdish words for fire, but you persian say atash, how can you calim this GOD then?
Even in gramatical way, Ahura mazda is kurdish, ex Aura sura= the red fire, gula sura= the red flower.
Then who is the first monotheist prophet in the history of mankind and where he was nominated as prophet? After 44 years of research I have discovered that the birthday of this reverend prophet was 3593 years before the birth of Zoroaster i.e. 9700 years B.C. or 11697 years ago (retroactive to 1997). This prophet who has remained veiled as yet was living in a country known as Iranovich in the world and he was the founder of the first monotheist religion of ancient times that is Mehr (Mitra)
The Medes were an people of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) origin who inhabited the western and north-western portion of present-day Iran. By the 6th century BC (prior to the Persian invasion) the Medes were able to establish an empire that stretched from Aran (the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan) to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Today's population of the western part of the Zagros Plateau (including many Persian-speakers, Kurds and Azeris) consider themselves to be descended from the ancient Medes.
according to Torah Adam was born in the year 3761 B.C., Noah in 2705 B.C., Abraham in 1815 and Moses in 1392 B.C. Now if any researcher has doubt about the birthday of Zoroaster he may mention his objection and we will reply. We Iranians are an oppressed nation who have no recorded history because our real history which incorporated millions of volumes were burnt to ashes by Arab, Mongol and Tatar invaders.
Mhabad is the first monotheist prophet in the history of mankind and where he was nominated as prophet? After 44 years of research I have discovered that the birthday of this reverend prophet was 3593 years before the birth of Zoroaster i.e. 9700 years B.C. or 11697 years ago (retroactive to 1997). This prophet who has remained veiled as yet was living in a country known as Iranovich in the world and he was the founder of the first monotheist religion of ancient times that is Meh
First, Zoroaster was not Persian and the language of Avesta ( the Zoroastrian holey script) is like English to Italian comparing with old, middle and modren persian language. Second, Persians adopted the faith from Medes who was ruling the area 2 centuries earlier and the archaeological site of Kiskapan (in Kurdistan) which has the first depiction of Ahura Mazdia ( Zoroasterian god ) dates back to sometime in 6th century Bc when Archamedians had no hegemony no even over themselves.
I'm glad to see someone get the linguistics right. One thing you need to know, though, is that the Zian apocalyptic story isn't found until the Bundahisn, which dates to the 9th cent CE, so we can't say that it was part of Zism at the time of the bible. The concept of the battle between Angra Mainyu and Ahura Mazda, yes; the judgement of souls, no. Also, Zism is a very ritually oriented religion, and the rituals of the bible don't look anything like its.
Thus, spoketh Zarathustra, etc., the futility of hiding chocolate rabbit eggs around your garden for children to find, and then hope they glean whatever is hoping to be gleaned.
Thus spoketh Zarathustra, etc., the futility of hiding chocolate rabbit eggs around your garden for children to find, and then hope they glean whatever is hoping to be gleaned.
There is a spurious Greek tradition that makes Zoroaster a contemporary of Cyrus--probably derives from Greeks hearing that Cyrus' prophet was Zoroaster and imagining him to be a living courtier. I could have a stroke when modern scholars suggest it as a serious possibility. Boyce is absolutely correct to place him in the mid 2nd millenium BC.
@HConstantine The other thing on this--Zoroastrianism is attested as the court religion of Cyrus in the inscriptions at naq-i-rustam which is about a century earlier than Herodotus.
You're generally on the right track. Cyrus seems to have believed the claims of a group of exiles in Babylon and given them control of Judea (the Samaritans who had been living there at the time had quote other ideas). With Cyrus s their patron, Ezra & co liberally revised their own traditions based on the court religion of Zoroastrianism. No eschatological elements (afterlife, devil, apocalyptic revelation etc.) appear in Judaism before that time.
Someone made a great video on the dates and compiling of the Jewish texts.
watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
The book probably has more information.
It's kind of in a different direction than what you're taking in this video, although in the 300s the Jews might have aquainted their God with Ohrmazd.
@Mectrixctic Hey, thanks for this mate. Gotta love Evid3nc3. I'm watching it now. I'm finding the wishful dating of biblical "scholars" highly suspect at this point.
There's a user named TruthCeeker who claimed that it was the reverse- Judaism influenced Zoroastrianism! He claims that this is speculative, but tries making the case that it was impossible for Zoroastrianism to influence Judaism.
I don't know if it can be argued that "Yahweh IS Ahura Mazda" in a literal sense. But no doubt the Hebrews borrowed many ideas from Zoroastrianism (Z), e.g. the Hebrews were henotheists prior to the exile in Babylonia, and post-exile, the prophets express some monotheism in their scriptures, among dualism, eschatology and soteriology as well--picked up from (Z), probably. I tend to view both Judaism and (Z) as developing more or less parallel--but not that their Gods are the same.
@Oppositum That sounds very plausible. And there seems to be a lot of difficult being certain about the roots of Judaism before the Babylonian Exile. It would be nice to have more exact dates for most of the Hebrew writings. But the Hebrews definitely would have had their own religion before the exile.
@Xoroaster I feel the same. The dates are not concrete. However, I see most scholars say that it is relatively certain that things like satan as a 'devil' and a borrowed cosmic dualism have been borrowed. The others--hell and afterlife, strict monotheism, a saviour, and end-times eschatology--are on a more 'probabilistic' scale. So I think youre to right feel 'uncertain' about the latter, but as you mention in your video: no religious idea just pops into being; its developed from predecessors.
I don't have time to read all your comments, but I'm surprised you didn't touch on the magi visiting baby Jesus. I'm sure you know/see the connection.
@AryanMede The New Testament says at Jesus' birth, the "wise men" were all "Magus" from the East. And "Magus" is used also to describe three other characters in the New Testament. But yeah, it's definitely there.
The greek usage of that word, specifically means Magi at that time. I haven't found another ancient greek usage of that word.
@Xoroaster I wouldn't read too much into Mathew's use of magos. At the time the word meant "expert in esoteric knowledge, esp. foreign, most likely a quack." Probably Mt. meant readers to understand that they were Babylonian Astrologers, rather than true magoi (i.e. median priests of Ahura). He might just as well have said mathematikoi, but magoi is a little more exotic sounding for purposes of his fairy tale.
nice video thanks for sharing. I believe God, Allah, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda are all the same deity just differnt groups have different way of worshiping Him some maybe doing it right some maybe doing it wrong or maybe no one is doing right.
@SirianKings I'm interested in this Saturnian deity you speak of. I'm heading out to do some digging on it now, but if you have more info, I'd love to hear it.
"The Lord shall set His throne in Elam (Iran)" Jeremiah 49:38
"and there shall be no nation where the outcasts of Elam shall not go" (also Jeremiah)
Daniel had his major visions in Elam. Adventist scholars computed the 2300 days (years) to culminate in 1844 AD, which is the year 1260 AH. In that year, in Elam, or Persia, One called "the Bab", or Gate, appeared, and was killed in 1850. He was followed by Baha'u'llah, Glory of God. His followers are called Baha'is, cast out of Elam
Thank you for this video! AT LAST SOMEONE SPEAKS UP! The ignorant people have just talked so much that it have even made the smart a bit screw headed with all the false information of people with agenda.!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, in Zoroastrinism lies the Truth of the Real history of the world, origins of middle eastern people and a link between Europeans and the middle east.
Nice video. I think that the ancient Jews borrowed many stories from many different people and went back renamed the gods to yahweh. That is how you borrow good stories and pretend it is your own. Rabbis love to do this to this day. They obviously borrowed other stories from other people as well, namely the egyptions and their local neighboring tribes. This means Yahweh is not the name of a single god. Just a collection of stories.
@Enigma6662 Thanks mate! Yeah, I'm with you. I think there's plenty of evidence that at least large portions of the Pentateuch came before Zoroastrian influence. It's not that "Yahweh is Ahura Mazda", as much as Yahweh is a collection of gods. After the first five books it seems Zoroastrianism starts to factor in, at least a bit. ;-D
This is one of the best documentary about History of IRAN & the ROOT of ALL Religions. FACTS disclosed here tbe required YEARS for an Independent & an Impartial Researcher to discover
It is extremely sad that American, British, Canadian & Israel trying to FABRICATE the History due to POLITICAL conflicts with IRAN & ISLAM
As the result the dignity of History harshly harmed. Now are denying that IRAN is a Persian name for PERSIA tin Google Map to hurt Iranians & never appreciated IRAN
Impressive. You have a great ability to link and explain historical and societal events, and your rhetoric is engaging as well; I can tell you've done your homework. Could you please direct me to the sources from which you got all this information (books, news articles, documentaries, etc.)?
Most of the information can be picked up through wikipedia. But also, "The History of Zoroastrianism" by Mary Boyce. It's dry and a bit text-bookish, but it has some great information. Much of this video was done through a "bible-centered" perspective, so that ended up as probably the biggest source I used. Using a bit more circumstantial evidence presented by the bible authors, than concrete evidence.
What do you think of ToddAllenGates' remark which say that Zoroastian verses concerning "heaven and hell", the Virgin Birth, and the Apocalypse were based on earlier texts but written in the pre christian era. He doesn't write the Zoroatrian founding but says the both theories (christian influence - zoroastrian influence) are plausible. What proof do we have of the dating on any of the scriptures,or any the tenants mentioned by an ancient source?Anyway this was a great vid - thanx for posting
@diodoro73 There is little proof of Zoroastrian tenants pre-Christianity. There are a few references in stone, but it appears that Zoroastrian tradition was primarily passed down orally, or it's texts were destroyed. It's likely that Zoroastrianism and Judaism took ideas from each other. And Zoroastrianism had its offshoots. It's likely that Christian ideas were borrowed. Though, some of the radical tenants of Christianity can also be found in less popular mystery sects of Judaism.
مردوک برادری از چهار محور در حل این سوال مربوط به چگونه غول و بردگی می تواند به دلیل گرد آورده.
از آنجا که ایشتار انداخت پیشنهاد در فضا که در حال حاضر باید همه چیز را تغییر دهید.
در همین حال ، شاه بزرگ بیرون هشدار مردوک، نه در هرم قرمز برای رفتن، به طور کامل توجیه شده است. در نهایت، او تصمیم گرفت، قدرت این اثر از دوران کشیش قرمز، مسیح موعود در مهر و موم مهر و موم.
Difference in Zoroastriaism is that they said Ahura Mazda wasn't Omniscient and there are things that exist beyond his Reach
Also the Spirit Angrai Mainyu is not a creation of Ahura Mazda and was uncreated like Ahura Mazda, Ahura Mazda in some parts address his humans as Associates, making him seem like their level,
They believe in the time of Feroshkhoti where everything is perfect when Angrai Mainyu is destroyed.
All religions are formed from the process of syncretism, a melding to create a new religion from other religious influences. It has been argued that the Hebrew god was a bastardization of Egypt's failed Atenism. Sigmund Freud, in his book "Moses and Monotheism" argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death who then found converts among Hebrew tribesman.
It seem plausible that the zoroastianism idea of monotheism influenced judism and effectively christianity. Jews were captive in babylon around 600 BCE.The video makes a good point on how the great monotheistic reliogion a & eastern philosophy rose from the same source.
Zoroaster could not have been a Brahman since he did not speak an Indo-Aryan language, he spoke Avestan which was an Eastern Iranian language. The Eastern Iranian languages are spoken in Afghanistan and the Pamirs in modern times.
@fuckturks2223 Avestan and Sanskrit were spoken during the same time period. Sanskrit was the ancestor to all Indo-Aryan languages like Hindi, Bengali, and Marathi.
@fuckturks2223 The Proto-Indo-Iranian language split off into three groups; Iranian, Indo-Aryan, and Nuristani. From the Iranian group came Avestan, and from the Indo-Aryan group came Vedic Sanskrit. So no, it does not.
this is by far the best vid i have seen on zoroastrianism yet. ..nearly every angle you covered is exactly how I explain it to folks that care to hear about it.
yes, it is a completely dead religion; however, there is a ton of similarities to this and the modern day idea of christianity.
my thoughts are that this is one of the forefathers of modern religion, this is where it started. what are your thoughts (simplified obviously. Please PM me, I would love to discuss further)
In the book “Arda Viraf Namag”, the zoroastrian priest Arda Viraf described his
journey into sky to meet his diety.
Accompanied by an arch angel Bahman, he journyed through different levels of heavens and hells and crossed the bridge (sirat) before finally reaching his deity Ahura Mazda sitting on the throne in 7the heaven.
In 7th century AD., Muhammad, accompanied by arch angel gabriel, claimed to have made the similar journey into sky on a white horse to meet his deity.
The reason that there are more Greek records about pre-Islamic Persia than there are records that are actually FROM Persia is because the Arabs invaded Persia in the 640s(ACE) and burned many splendid libraries that contained historic information. The Greeks hid their books and the Arabs were tired by the time they reached Greece, so it wasn't much of an affect.
Great work here!It's probably completely correct as well.At the time there really were NO other monotheistic religions we know of,only Zoroastrians and the Jews. Maybe they really were just originally the same thing. And christianity of course took a lot of influences form many other polytheistic religions like Mithraism and the ancient Egyptian myths.It seems to make the most sense that way.Jewish and Zoroastrian faiths are just too similar and too close to each other to be a simple concidence!
@beermn56 Yeah it's a funny thing isn't it...People would never want to admit that all the different monotheistic faiths are actually based on the same God Ahura Mazda! And THAT is the real origin of christianity as well. It benefits them so much more to keep people fighting and arguing about who's God is the "best" and the "true god" when in reality they're all the same ONE God! And Jesus has a lot more in common with egyptian Horus and the roman Mithras than they would EVER want to admit!
@MsAzure77 Christianity is just a spin-off, as is Judism, Islam, Krishna, Mormonism, and dare I include, Scientology (what a joke). Not sure whether Mazda was the first or Saturnalia, or Odin. The only thing is they had their own geographically based god, but we here in North America couldn't even stick with the Huron, Sioux, Apache, Chipewyan or Navajo gods. I makes me feel a little inferior. Not to theists but to our native American brothers. I can't help but feel superior to godtards.
It seems to me that Christianity is just a corrupted form Zoroastrianism, picking up a lot of barbaric baggage from ancient Judaism. Obviously the Jews of the time realised that Zoroastrianism was morally superior to what they had already and thought that superiority came from god.
Who can ignore "Speak good, Think good, and Do good" as moral commandments?
And in the bible it wasn't until Jesus "meek and mild" came along before Hell showed up as well - no doubt from Zoroastrianism.
@mikeyman211 And it is widely accepted that the "three" wise men were Persian Zoroastrian priests. I think I can see why this Jew had such radical opinions for one of his religion.
christianity sprang from the Neoplatonists not from the jews who most certainly did not originate monotheism. 85% of judaism was plagiarized from the Sumerians, Africans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians and the Greeks. The jews manufactured the "exodus" and the "ten commandments" to overwrite the Code of Hammurabi. The fake hebrew bible characters were all manufactured to overwrite real historical Egyptians such as Amenemhet>>Abraham, Tuthmosis>>Moses and Imhotep>>Joseph.
Also, the fact that you're posting videos against God really says something that you might not be aware of... Why are you here and why do you feel the need to rail against something that isn't real? Peace for you lies in the answers to these two questions. Good luck and God bless.
@infinityseed Were here because there has been an unbroken chain of life going back billions of years. Its not that anti-theists and other non believers are against (your) god. The beef is with the followers who, for 2000 years has been opressing, intimidating, torturing, killing people who dont believe exactly like they do. Doing these things in the name of a supernatural being that hasnt been demonstrated to exist only makes it so much worse.
@tallifer1 Where did life originate? Billions, trillions, who cares? There is only one God, and to deny that fact is to stand against God--regardless of your personal beliefs. Your beef suggests a different history than the one recorded in ancient sources. You say 2000 years, but what historical facts do you base that claim upon? Are you suggesting that it was the Christian who threw the Roman citizens to the lions? Your logic is flawed, yet you refuse to see this.
Consider: a father loves his son and sends him out into the world with everything he needs to live a good life. He looks forward to the day when the son will return to him because of the love he has for the young man. He hopes and desires the best for his son, but he respects his son's rights as an individual... He does not nag and harass his son, but he sends messages to him letting him know he is loved. The man has six other sons and does the exact same thing for each of them.
@tallifer1 Now, while the son is out in the world, he quarrels with one of his brothers. The two fight and the brother is accidentally killed. The remaining brothers become the first man's enemies and much sorrow comes from this. The father hears of the situation and continues to love each of his sons equally. He does however wish the first son would come and speak to him about what happened. The son does not do this, so the father sends a messenger to him.
@tallifer1 The messenger speaks to the son and finds him angry with his brothers. Worse than this, when the messenger mentions the man's father, the man says, "I have no father, for he raised up six other men who have all become my enemies." From that day forward, the man never speaks to his father again and continues to despise his brothers for being against him. Yet, when the father dies, the son finds out that he is in his father's will--receiving and equal portion with his brothers.
@tallifer1 Now, did the son deserve such love and prosperity? Was it the father's fault that his brothers quarreled with him? Did the son's statement that he did not have a father in fact cause his father to cease to exist? If a son treated his father the way that this man did, would you not consider him childish, rude, and ungrateful?
Have you considered the possibility that Zoroaster was really Zarah, twin of Pharez? Having lost his birthright to a twin might have given him reason to see the universe in a dualistic light. Also, it would explain some similarities between the three religions (H/C/Z). Speculation in the 1800's seemed to point to multiple persons occupying the role. Repeated contact with Hebrews (thus updating belief in coming messiah) might explain the appearance of magi at Christ's birth.
it's based on why they look like white people but they lack european genes
and macedonians and albanians(surprisingly :/) come and they claim to be their ancestors, they're like creationists believing when DNA markers dont tell it
and macedonians think alexander was a slav
like how creationists believe the world is 12 000 years old....
the descendants of the kamboj are the pashtuns and the pamiri people , related ethnic groups were scythians, soghdians and sarmatians.
The Kamboj people are related to persians but not exactly persians
it's like how russians and poles are slavs but a pole is not a russian but related to russians.
Zoroaster was a kamboj guy and his faith spread through the medians then to persians, and probably he influenced tochariansand turkic nomads, and hindus too.
@TheSuperItalian, You are an idiot, an anthiest according to your own page, you have little or no education little boy, your peach fuzz has not even grown
Gary Greenberg has some similar approaches with regards to Egypt. Though I think he goes a little bit too far in claiming that Israel was a combination of exiled Egyptian Atenists (the exodus where Moses is an Atenist priest), he does do a great job at pointing out that the vast majority of the old testament has elements rooted in Egyptian mythology, word for word correspondence in many locations.
yadsik 6 days ago
I found out about him and his religion years ago.
JustForBrieLarson 1 week ago
sounds like the kabala to me
BiGMANJOE32 2 weeks ago
@Amishnation - Secondly, the Jews believed in She'ol, which is just the holding place for souls until the Messiah comes to battle Satan in the end days, which translates to "The Grave" Ecclesiastes gives a good understanding of that, and Messianic Prophesy in that books which leads to the final judgement.
therightintelectual 2 weeks ago
@Amishnation - first off, no the Jews didn't think of Satan as some Arbiter, that's the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. Read Isaiah, unless that's not Jewish enough for you. Second, I was making a speculative argument. From my research, it is very probable that early Zoroastrianism had its roots in the mystery religions of Babylon, and that it had been influenced by Judaism to become a religion similar in nature to it.
therightintelectual 2 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - most notably Cyrus the Great, whom Daniel called Darius the Mede, which is where Darius the Great got his name, according to my deduction. I'm surprised that you'd reference such obscure verses in scripture and not have known that the Jews were sold into slavery to Babylon, which would explain how their religion got there. I mean, if you're going to use scripture, at least understand the context in which it's talking. Cyrus the Great freed the Jews after he established the Persi
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - Ugg, I sounded like an idiot there. Ok, basically what I was trying to say: Zoroastrianism is a satanic religion tracing its roots to the mystery occult as you mapped out. You might be right that Yashua, Elyon Most High, was worshipped by the Persians, but you got cause and effect backwards. What you have to understand is that after the Deportation to Babylon the Jews brought their religion, and Daniel converted kings of Persia, most notably Cyrus the Great, whom Daniel called D
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
@therightintelectual Zoroastrianism is not Satanic. There was no Satan when it was developed. Ahora Mazda just means God of Light and Wisdom. How do you know that he just isn't the same God with a different name because the people who worshiped him had another language?
Also, which Satan are you referring to? The Jewish Satan who just works for God as a prosecuting attorney or the Satan Christians invented as the Devil? You did know Christians invented the Devil right?
amishnation 2 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - Or rather the stewards over the Medes who I can't remember right now. Not you'd read in Daniel you'd find the prophecy of Xerxes, and the reason why they liked the persians was because the persians freed the Jews, letting them go back to their homeland. But essentially, if you get into the mystery religions of Babylon, and synthesize it with the Zoroastrian religion prior to Jewish influence, you'd find pure satanism.
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - Thanks for the vid, however, if i'm right, the God in Zoroastrianism is indeed Satan, and perhaps the Persians did Worship Yashua for a time instead; we say God when we really mean Yashua, or Elyon; the Zoroastrian God could just be a Philosophical step towards Yashua, and you're right they could have been the same for a time, however before the deportation to Babylon it was the median empire who held captive israel...
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - If you study the Occult, you'd find a strong pull towards Satanism, which is for all intents and purposes atheistic; Zarathustra was Nietzsche's character, and the character was used as a means to proselytize his philosophy. The similarities between Nietzsche's philosophy and Satanism is startling to say the least. Gnosticism and Theosophy both strike resemblances to it. Thanks for the vid, however, if i'm right, the God in Zoroastrianism is indeed Satan, and perhaps the Persians
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
@Xoroaster - good video. You weren't offensive or anything. Perhaps there was a blend of the Israeli religion that influenced Zoroastrianism at that time. The two could have possibly bled into one another, considering their both Monotheistic; however, what's interesting is that the Babylonian God is still being worshipped today in the form of Moloch.
therightintelectual 3 weeks ago
I fail to see what difference it makes who influenced whom. People traveled in ancient times much more than most of us realize, exchanging ideas (and DNA)-influencing and being influenced by, one another. The concept of one transcendent God is quite common, even if different aspects are represented as "gods." The name we give the one God is a creation of our own language and worldview, obviously.
theroadupward 1 month ago
i dont see how the God of the Jews is the same God of zoroastianism when the Jewish God puts you in hell you stay there for eternity THERE IS NO GETTING OUT! You just burn in the lake of fire after the great white throne judgment
BiGMANJOE32 1 month ago
@BiGMANJOE32 Go to the Judaism 101 website and you'll see that's not true. Christians are the ones that are fond of the burning Hell that never stops. Jews believe in Gehinom which is a kind of hospital for the soul. In Gehinom one is supposedly confronted with the Demons he or she created for him or herself and has to deal with these while there. Once the soul is clean, it can ascend to God. Only the very worst people (political people He he) will remain in Gehinom forever.
amishnation 2 weeks ago
Nicely done, thanks! :-)
KesherMedia 1 month ago
Cyrus was secular he bowed down to all Gods and saw them as his own, it was a language difference however to them they were God the same he saw humanity first in everyone. He is liked by the jews because he gave freedom to the jews who were slaves so he was held highly. In his time he had a very fair kingdom compared to others such as Babylon one of high morals things we try to recreate in the modern west.
d3r2000 1 month ago
very informative. thank you.
i PMed you on the subject of the relation between Zoroastrianism and China.
i hope you'd read it.
thanks!
weareswiss 1 month ago
Cyrus the great was a very liberal man he respected all religion and gods like his owne
Pedramshah 2 months ago
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The Buddha comment was hilarious, meh you don't need gods to be moral.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 2 months ago
This guy claims Judaism influneced Zoroastrinism
/watch?v=ORtusl7P_0E
Mitchx42 3 months ago
A good book to read is "Sins of the Scripture" also "God with out Religion"
Mitchx42 3 months ago
Actually Hinduism isnt about thousands of gods its all one God who comes in many forms and belive we all worship the one God even if you are a Shinto, Hindu, Sikh, Muslims, Christian, Taoist, Jew, etc as it is a Universal God like Zoroastrinism
Mitchx42 3 months ago
@Mitchx42 Are you Hindu? If so, I would like to ask you some questions if you don't mind.
Xoroaster 3 months ago
@Xoroaster Im not as you say a full Hindu, I dont use it to describe myself more Universalist but if you wana know more read Books by Swami Dayananda Saraswati "Introdution to the Vedanta' Is a good book to start with
Mitchx42 3 months ago
@Xoroaster I sent you a PM about a website its realy more a Blog but its from a Hindu in India it deals with all the politcal as well as misunderstanding of Hinduism and answers the attacks on it realy Hinduism isnt a Sanskrit word the correct name for it is Santana Dharma (Dharma means Ethics) also check up hinduism and evolution also check up this
/watch?v=ijtipfO9vdU
Its a video like yours about Genesis and the similarites of Greek and Egyptian beliefs and stories
Mitchx42 3 months ago
@Mitchx42 Hey thank you! I'll definitely check that out.
I'm really not too strong on Hinduism between say 300BCE and 200CE. I'm very curious of what changes might have been made during that time frame.
Xoroaster 3 months ago
@Xoroaster Fair Enough A good book to read is Introduction to the Vedanta from Swami Dayananda Saraswati and The Value of Values is a good book which I am currently reading also Swami Chinmayananda is also another good person who is good at explain the Vedanta and History of Hinduism his book "Vedanta: The Science of Life Understanding Human Nature is a great book of his that explains Hinduism, the Vedanta, Vedas as well as touchs on the other Dharmic faits like Buddhism, Jainism etc
Mitchx42 3 months ago
@Xoroaster And he discuss on there beliefs and how they came to be
Mitchx42 3 months ago
@Mitchx42 Some of Hinduism believes All Gods are one. Some Hindus are Polytheistic. The Gods being manifestations of 'One God' is easier on Western minds which are saturated in a Monotheistic world view.
gloriab357 3 months ago
@gloriab357 Yea but the true teachings teach the Lord comes in many forms its just alot of Hindus uneducated in Hinduism think multi Gods etc
Mitchx42 3 months ago
Splendid... except for the fact that through out their histroy, Persian kings, namely Zoroastrains, never practiced slavery in any form whereas YHWH of the Jewish religion tends to remind his people in various parts of the Torah and the Old Testament to be kind and merciful to their slaves. Also, Jews believe that descendants of Abram are God's chosen ones. However, Ahura Mazda is considered as the God of all peoples & nations without any discriminations. Cyrus had deep respect for all gods.
eddienamini 3 months ago
Which "Yaweh" is Ahura Mazda ? YHWH comes from YHW (Yahoo) Thunder/mountain God (Sinai?) of the Shassu bedouins later adopted as the head of the Israelite's pantheon (wife: Asherah) who became exclusively monotheistic following the take over of the region by the Achaemenid (ZoroastriansPersians-Cyrus).The new version of Yahweh appeared and "Judaism" was politically established in Jerusalem: then it's fair to say that Yahweh had taken lots of traits from Ahura Mazda, but not exactly equal to AM.
soifrane 4 months ago
@soifrane Just the late constructs. Mostly the YHWH of the "bible" that is assumed to be reconstructed by Ezra around 450. Before that time, YHWH is far too nebulous to pin down. After that, YHWH begins to resemble Ahura Mazda. There is an even later construct, that incorporates parts of Ahura Mazda, but has incorporated other ideas as well. So YHWH starts to become distinct again by the first century BCE, though YHWH still maintains traits of Ahura Mazda.
Xoroaster 4 months ago
@Xoroaster Thanx. Didn't know about the "even later construct" you mention. What happened in the first century BCE? Maccabeans period ? Let us know more please.
soifrane 4 months ago
@soifrane It's the Greeks. The Greeks introduce a ton of philosophy that ends up affecting Judaism. It is around Maccabees and the Daniel constructs. Daniel is a very late interpretation. Anything later than 250 is suspect of Greek influence. Judaism begins to proselytize, and it becomes a religion for "everyone" rather than a religion for "Jews" alone.
I'm actually writing a book, more on Christianity than Judaism. It's much more easily seen in Christianity.
Xoroaster 4 months ago
@Xoroaster I heard that the language of ' Sanskrit ' is older than the biblical time of ' Tower of Babel ' Sanskrit is connected with India & it's language, and the Aryans ( Persians ) had a war with India and won the battle.
66Shellz 3 months ago
There are six traditional Hindu philosophies (3:03 +) Samhhya, Mimamsa, Yoga, Vedanta, Vaisheshika, and Nyaya.
The Samkhya system (500 B.C.) does not recognize any gods or sacrifices...this system influenced Buddhism.
Personally, I see different mind-set between Vedic and the Hinduism of the Indian heartland.
As Zoroaster was a reformer, I believe the Rig Veda (books 2 - 9) is more representative of the original Aryan Religion... My opinion only.
Good Video.
97448able 4 months ago
Nowadays many historians think that monotheistic judaism/the Thora were born at the return of exile of the israelite elite from Babylon, freed by Cyrus and established as the new ruling class in Jerusalem, opposing "traditionnal/sort of polytheistic" israelites who had stayed in the land continuing their own ways. Cyrus is the only living person who is called "Messiah" in the old testament.
Then, maybe/why not, Judaism is a local syncretic version of Mazdaism. To be folowed :-)
soifrane 4 months ago
Zoroaster was bactiran (avar) and not Persian! The words Persi is from Parthi, Parsee, Aparni, Abor, Opor, obor Avar. the rulers ot the avars werent asians but royal scythians!
HungarianHistory2 4 months ago
@HungarianHistory2
this might be true ....
TheAFGpersiangirlAFG 3 months ago
@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG
sumero subartuan deposites you find in ural altaian languages. iranians have agglutinative speaker ancestors too, but they werent aryans.
HungarianHistory2 3 months ago
@HungarianHistory2
but iran means arya :)
TheAFGpersiangirlAFG 3 months ago
@TheAFGpersiangirlAFG
agjem, eviath too
HungarianHistory2 3 months ago
@HungarianHistory2
you mean arynem vaejah?
TheAFGpersiangirlAFG 3 months ago
Ancient Hungarians were Zoroastrians(Ibn Rusta says " the magyars are fire admirer" The nearest genetic relatives of ancient magyars are the middle eastern caucasian folks (subartu-sumer-elam-alania) and pontid people. The asian uralic hypothesis is fake in 100% we spoke in hurrian-ogur hun mixed language, and not in uralic.
HungarianHistory2 4 months ago
I'm by no means an expert and there are still matters that are debatable; however, it goes a little bit more like this:
Philosphical dispute arises on the grounds of Zoroastrian reforms ( I'm trying to be Diplomatic) which includes curious reversal of deities eg. Indra good deity Vedic; but, despised by Zoroastrianism and so forth.
Animistic nature oriented religion of about 33 deities (not 3 million) obtains more of a moral ethical dimension.
Max Muellers: "henotheism" more applicable.
97448able 4 months ago
it was the right religion not the vaticanist judeo-aryan piece of shit!
Avar-Bactrian-Parthian-Parsee-Persian non aryan Zoroaster.
funnyAHDDUB 4 months ago
This is one of the few videos on youtube with an organized, polite debate.
97nachotv 4 months ago
The only reason most people don't know about Zoroastrianism is because the Spartans killed the Persians right? In the Thermopolee battle or whatever...If the persians would've won wouldn't all traces of Catholicism have been burned and then all of Europe would be Zoroastrianism?
ShredWithMe 5 months ago
@ShredWithMe You are very misinformed. Zoroastrianism is an alive religion which is being practiced mostly in south west of Iran (In states such as Yazd & Kerman) and India(they called Parsi, since they migrated from Persia aka Iran due to different reason that is not related to this topic). The battles that you are thinking about did not destroy Persian empire or death of all Persians/Iranians.
alirezasepehrara 4 months ago
@ShredWithMe Those battles were fought by local armies who were from areas around the Greeks. Since Greeks (or more precisely Athens since they were other Greeks that were ally with Persian Empire) caused quite a trouble out there. Greeks set a town on fire Called "Sardis" which killed innocent civilians. Before that, they pirated cargo ships of Persians, disrupted the trade routes, broke the treaties they agreed on with Persian Empire.
alirezasepehrara 4 months ago
@ShredWithMe After "Sardis", Persian empire changed its policy toward Athens. Before "Sardis", Persian Empire financially supported the "Pro-Persian" Greeks, but After the terrorist attack on "Sardis", they decided to get rid of this nuisance. Again, you are so misinformed that you don't know Persians won the battle of Thermopylae and marched in Athens and allegedly set it on fire as punishment for "Sardis". But this time no one died because Athens was evacuated before Persian came.
alirezasepehrara 4 months ago
@alirezasepehrara I know that the Persians lost the war in the long run, which in turn means that there are no traces of Zoroastrianism.
ShredWithMe 4 months ago
Ahur= awr an ancient ahurami kurdish word, In kurdish the kurds don't speak out H infront of vowels AURE MEZINDE= the real name of god, kurdish. AUR,AGER,AZER= kurdish words for fire, but you persian say atash, how can you calim this GOD then?
Even in gramatical way, Ahura mazda is kurdish, ex Aura sura= the red fire, gula sura= the red flower.
TheZagros3000 5 months ago
Then who is the first monotheist prophet in the history of mankind and where he was nominated as prophet? After 44 years of research I have discovered that the birthday of this reverend prophet was 3593 years before the birth of Zoroaster i.e. 9700 years B.C. or 11697 years ago (retroactive to 1997). This prophet who has remained veiled as yet was living in a country known as Iranovich in the world and he was the founder of the first monotheist religion of ancient times that is Mehr (Mitra)
goran21715 5 months ago
The Medes were an people of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) origin who inhabited the western and north-western portion of present-day Iran. By the 6th century BC (prior to the Persian invasion) the Medes were able to establish an empire that stretched from Aran (the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan) to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Today's population of the western part of the Zagros Plateau (including many Persian-speakers, Kurds and Azeris) consider themselves to be descended from the ancient Medes.
goran21715 5 months ago
according to Torah Adam was born in the year 3761 B.C., Noah in 2705 B.C., Abraham in 1815 and Moses in 1392 B.C. Now if any researcher has doubt about the birthday of Zoroaster he may mention his objection and we will reply. We Iranians are an oppressed nation who have no recorded history because our real history which incorporated millions of volumes were burnt to ashes by Arab, Mongol and Tatar invaders.
goran21715 5 months ago
Mhabad is the first monotheist prophet in the history of mankind and where he was nominated as prophet? After 44 years of research I have discovered that the birthday of this reverend prophet was 3593 years before the birth of Zoroaster i.e. 9700 years B.C. or 11697 years ago (retroactive to 1997). This prophet who has remained veiled as yet was living in a country known as Iranovich in the world and he was the founder of the first monotheist religion of ancient times that is Meh
goran21715 5 months ago
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eat666shit 6 months ago
Only truth is sacred, we owe no allegiance to anything besides.
davidwaynemcdaniel 7 months ago
First, Zoroaster was not Persian and the language of Avesta ( the Zoroastrian holey script) is like English to Italian comparing with old, middle and modren persian language. Second, Persians adopted the faith from Medes who was ruling the area 2 centuries earlier and the archaeological site of Kiskapan (in Kurdistan) which has the first depiction of Ahura Mazdia ( Zoroasterian god ) dates back to sometime in 6th century Bc when Archamedians had no hegemony no even over themselves.
NewrozNewrozi 7 months ago
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NewrozNewrozi 7 months ago
The similarity between Avestan and Arabic script is uncanny to say the least.
EruditeScythian 7 months ago
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DreamsofMajesty 8 months ago
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GahdeMalprigi1488x 8 months ago
I'm glad to see someone get the linguistics right. One thing you need to know, though, is that the Zian apocalyptic story isn't found until the Bundahisn, which dates to the 9th cent CE, so we can't say that it was part of Zism at the time of the bible. The concept of the battle between Angra Mainyu and Ahura Mazda, yes; the judgement of souls, no. Also, Zism is a very ritually oriented religion, and the rituals of the bible don't look anything like its.
Naiant 8 months ago
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Thus, spoketh Zarathustra, etc., the futility of hiding chocolate rabbit eggs around your garden for children to find, and then hope they glean whatever is hoping to be gleaned.
I'm thankful that I'm not religious.
naganokumas 8 months ago
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Thus spoketh Zarathustra, etc., the futility of hiding chocolate rabbit eggs around your garden for children to find, and then hope they glean whatever is hoping to be gleaned.
I'm thankful that I'm not religious.
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naganokumas 8 months ago
There is a spurious Greek tradition that makes Zoroaster a contemporary of Cyrus--probably derives from Greeks hearing that Cyrus' prophet was Zoroaster and imagining him to be a living courtier. I could have a stroke when modern scholars suggest it as a serious possibility. Boyce is absolutely correct to place him in the mid 2nd millenium BC.
HConstantine 9 months ago
@HConstantine The other thing on this--Zoroastrianism is attested as the court religion of Cyrus in the inscriptions at naq-i-rustam which is about a century earlier than Herodotus.
HConstantine 9 months ago
You're generally on the right track. Cyrus seems to have believed the claims of a group of exiles in Babylon and given them control of Judea (the Samaritans who had been living there at the time had quote other ideas). With Cyrus s their patron, Ezra & co liberally revised their own traditions based on the court religion of Zoroastrianism. No eschatological elements (afterlife, devil, apocalyptic revelation etc.) appear in Judaism before that time.
HConstantine 9 months ago
Someone made a great video on the dates and compiling of the Jewish texts.
watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
The book probably has more information.
It's kind of in a different direction than what you're taking in this video, although in the 300s the Jews might have aquainted their God with Ohrmazd.
Mectrixctic 9 months ago
@Mectrixctic Hey, thanks for this mate. Gotta love Evid3nc3. I'm watching it now. I'm finding the wishful dating of biblical "scholars" highly suspect at this point.
Xoroaster 9 months ago
@Xoroaster
There's a user named TruthCeeker who claimed that it was the reverse- Judaism influenced Zoroastrianism! He claims that this is speculative, but tries making the case that it was impossible for Zoroastrianism to influence Judaism.
user/TruthCeeker333#p/p/C9E65EEE48C0DEF2/0/ORtusl7P_0E
You are probably really busy now, but this could be useful for your series on Persia.
Mectrixctic 8 months ago
I don't know if it can be argued that "Yahweh IS Ahura Mazda" in a literal sense. But no doubt the Hebrews borrowed many ideas from Zoroastrianism (Z), e.g. the Hebrews were henotheists prior to the exile in Babylonia, and post-exile, the prophets express some monotheism in their scriptures, among dualism, eschatology and soteriology as well--picked up from (Z), probably. I tend to view both Judaism and (Z) as developing more or less parallel--but not that their Gods are the same.
Oppositum 9 months ago
@Oppositum That sounds very plausible. And there seems to be a lot of difficult being certain about the roots of Judaism before the Babylonian Exile. It would be nice to have more exact dates for most of the Hebrew writings. But the Hebrews definitely would have had their own religion before the exile.
Xoroaster 9 months ago
@Xoroaster I feel the same. The dates are not concrete. However, I see most scholars say that it is relatively certain that things like satan as a 'devil' and a borrowed cosmic dualism have been borrowed. The others--hell and afterlife, strict monotheism, a saviour, and end-times eschatology--are on a more 'probabilistic' scale. So I think youre to right feel 'uncertain' about the latter, but as you mention in your video: no religious idea just pops into being; its developed from predecessors.
Oppositum 9 months ago
I don't have time to read all your comments, but I'm surprised you didn't touch on the magi visiting baby Jesus. I'm sure you know/see the connection.
Goodbarmr5 10 months ago
@Goodbarmr5 Yeah, I addressed that in my second video. watch?v=67p2_g7pyg8&feature=watch_response
This video became too long to mention everything. ;-D
Xoroaster 10 months ago
@Xoroaster The three wise men visiting Jesus. I've heard atleast one of them were Magi, were the others Magi too?
AryanMede 10 months ago
@AryanMede The New Testament says at Jesus' birth, the "wise men" were all "Magus" from the East. And "Magus" is used also to describe three other characters in the New Testament. But yeah, it's definitely there.
The greek usage of that word, specifically means Magi at that time. I haven't found another ancient greek usage of that word.
Xoroaster 10 months ago
@Xoroaster I wouldn't read too much into Mathew's use of magos. At the time the word meant "expert in esoteric knowledge, esp. foreign, most likely a quack." Probably Mt. meant readers to understand that they were Babylonian Astrologers, rather than true magoi (i.e. median priests of Ahura). He might just as well have said mathematikoi, but magoi is a little more exotic sounding for purposes of his fairy tale.
HConstantine 9 months ago
nice video thanks for sharing. I believe God, Allah, Yahweh, Ahura Mazda are all the same deity just differnt groups have different way of worshiping Him some maybe doing it right some maybe doing it wrong or maybe no one is doing right.
DatBRiGGA 10 months ago
GREAT OBSERVATIONS! I'm really interested to do more research on it.
a09tma 10 months ago
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kinbigbird 11 months ago
Ahura Mazda is nothing but a repackaged Saturnian deity.
SirianKings 11 months ago
@SirianKings I'm interested in this Saturnian deity you speak of. I'm heading out to do some digging on it now, but if you have more info, I'd love to hear it.
Xoroaster 11 months ago
"The Lord shall set His throne in Elam (Iran)" Jeremiah 49:38
"and there shall be no nation where the outcasts of Elam shall not go" (also Jeremiah)
Daniel had his major visions in Elam. Adventist scholars computed the 2300 days (years) to culminate in 1844 AD, which is the year 1260 AH. In that year, in Elam, or Persia, One called "the Bab", or Gate, appeared, and was killed in 1850. He was followed by Baha'u'llah, Glory of God. His followers are called Baha'is, cast out of Elam
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IranZamin7000 11 months ago
Thank you for this video! AT LAST SOMEONE SPEAKS UP! The ignorant people have just talked so much that it have even made the smart a bit screw headed with all the false information of people with agenda.!
Kuroshiiii 11 months ago
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, in Zoroastrinism lies the Truth of the Real history of the world, origins of middle eastern people and a link between Europeans and the middle east.
spindlegrinder 1 year ago
Nice video. I think that the ancient Jews borrowed many stories from many different people and went back renamed the gods to yahweh. That is how you borrow good stories and pretend it is your own. Rabbis love to do this to this day. They obviously borrowed other stories from other people as well, namely the egyptions and their local neighboring tribes. This means Yahweh is not the name of a single god. Just a collection of stories.
Enigma6662 1 year ago
@Enigma6662 Thanks mate! Yeah, I'm with you. I think there's plenty of evidence that at least large portions of the Pentateuch came before Zoroastrian influence. It's not that "Yahweh is Ahura Mazda", as much as Yahweh is a collection of gods. After the first five books it seems Zoroastrianism starts to factor in, at least a bit. ;-D
Xoroaster 1 year ago
I am a Zoroastrian, nice vid. P.s., its pronounced "Zor-as-tree-an", not ZORO-AS
sawnyah 1 year ago
@sawnyah Thanks mate! I'll try to get it right next time. ;-D
Xoroaster 1 year ago
I am Zoroastrian. Its a pretty accurate vid, nice job!
sawnyah 1 year ago
This is one of the best documentary about History of IRAN & the ROOT of ALL Religions. FACTS disclosed here tbe required YEARS for an Independent & an Impartial Researcher to discover
It is extremely sad that American, British, Canadian & Israel trying to FABRICATE the History due to POLITICAL conflicts with IRAN & ISLAM
As the result the dignity of History harshly harmed. Now are denying that IRAN is a Persian name for PERSIA tin Google Map to hurt Iranians & never appreciated IRAN
MajorNourhaghighi 1 year ago
Impressive. You have a great ability to link and explain historical and societal events, and your rhetoric is engaging as well; I can tell you've done your homework. Could you please direct me to the sources from which you got all this information (books, news articles, documentaries, etc.)?
IohannesC 1 year ago
@IohannesC Thank you. ;-D
Most of the information can be picked up through wikipedia. But also, "The History of Zoroastrianism" by Mary Boyce. It's dry and a bit text-bookish, but it has some great information. Much of this video was done through a "bible-centered" perspective, so that ended up as probably the biggest source I used. Using a bit more circumstantial evidence presented by the bible authors, than concrete evidence.
Xoroaster 1 year ago
What do you think of ToddAllenGates' remark which say that Zoroastian verses concerning "heaven and hell", the Virgin Birth, and the Apocalypse were based on earlier texts but written in the pre christian era. He doesn't write the Zoroatrian founding but says the both theories (christian influence - zoroastrian influence) are plausible. What proof do we have of the dating on any of the scriptures,or any the tenants mentioned by an ancient source?Anyway this was a great vid - thanx for posting
diodoro73 1 year ago
@diodoro73 There is little proof of Zoroastrian tenants pre-Christianity. There are a few references in stone, but it appears that Zoroastrian tradition was primarily passed down orally, or it's texts were destroyed. It's likely that Zoroastrianism and Judaism took ideas from each other. And Zoroastrianism had its offshoots. It's likely that Christian ideas were borrowed. Though, some of the radical tenants of Christianity can also be found in less popular mystery sects of Judaism.
Xoroaster 1 year ago
@Xoroaster zoroastrianism is an aryan religion
the oldest texts are written in gathic avestan wich is identical to vedic sanskrit
linguistics agree on that the indo-iranian (aryan) languages split of at 2000 bc this is when gathic avestan and vedic sanskrit comes into the picture
so zarathustra could have lived for about 4000 year´s ago cause of the language
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
مردوک برادری از چهار محور در حل این سوال مربوط به چگونه غول و بردگی می تواند به دلیل گرد آورده.
از آنجا که ایشتار انداخت پیشنهاد در فضا که در حال حاضر باید همه چیز را تغییر دهید.
در همین حال ، شاه بزرگ بیرون هشدار مردوک، نه در هرم قرمز برای رفتن، به طور کامل توجیه شده است. در نهایت، او تصمیم گرفت، قدرت این اثر از دوران کشیش قرمز، مسیح موعود در مهر و موم مهر و موم.
SuperPresidentDead 1 year ago
zoroastrianism is a aryan religion
zarahustra is proven to be a aryan brahman i can send you a documentary
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
Let's focus on solution
what do u recommend?
I recommend drones as way to free ourself from savage Arabs
r u with us?
MrGlobalUnity 1 year ago
Difference in Zoroastriaism is that they said Ahura Mazda wasn't Omniscient and there are things that exist beyond his Reach
Also the Spirit Angrai Mainyu is not a creation of Ahura Mazda and was uncreated like Ahura Mazda, Ahura Mazda in some parts address his humans as Associates, making him seem like their level,
They believe in the time of Feroshkhoti where everything is perfect when Angrai Mainyu is destroyed.
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
Avesta is too close one of them kurdish dialect zazaki.
QEKI12 1 year ago
All religions are formed from the process of syncretism, a melding to create a new religion from other religious influences. It has been argued that the Hebrew god was a bastardization of Egypt's failed Atenism. Sigmund Freud, in his book "Moses and Monotheism" argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death who then found converts among Hebrew tribesman.
SupernautG 1 year ago
It seem plausible that the zoroastianism idea of monotheism influenced judism and effectively christianity. Jews were captive in babylon around 600 BCE.The video makes a good point on how the great monotheistic reliogion a & eastern philosophy rose from the same source.
cfrancisco74 1 year ago
Ahura Mazda is not Yahweh.
If one person writes of fire, and another writes of water, are those the same thing?
Of course not.
The Hebrews are lucky that Cyrus didn't treat them they way they wrote of their 'god' telling them to treat others.
NorthStar20121 1 year ago
Really well done video.
NorthStar20121 1 year ago
He is not Persian, he was from Balkh which would mean he was Afghan.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar hahah afghan? he whas an aryan brahman retard
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 He was of Iranian descent, not Indo-Aryan
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar iranians are aryans
the aryans were the indo-iranians who migraded to iran and north india the word aryan originates from the vedas and avesta
this whas before the indo-aryans
he whas an aryan brahman i have a documentary for you
he whas absolutely not afghan
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 You are mixing up what I am saying.
Zoroaster could not have been a Brahman since he did not speak an Indo-Aryan language, he spoke Avestan which was an Eastern Iranian language. The Eastern Iranian languages are spoken in Afghanistan and the Pamirs in modern times.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar avestan originates from vedic sanskrit vedic is the ancestor to all the indo-iranian languages
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 Avestan and Sanskrit were spoken during the same time period. Sanskrit was the ancestor to all Indo-Aryan languages like Hindi, Bengali, and Marathi.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar nah vedic sanskrit predates it
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 No it does not
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar trust me it does
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 The Proto-Indo-Iranian language split off into three groups; Iranian, Indo-Aryan, and Nuristani. From the Iranian group came Avestan, and from the Indo-Aryan group came Vedic Sanskrit. So no, it does not.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar vedic sanskrit came earlier it developed earlier
but nuristani should be counted as iranian
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 It could have possibly developed earlier, but that does not mean Avestan comes from Sanskrit.
Nuristani is its own sub-group of Indo-Iranian languages. It is not an Iranian language.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar i said it should be counted as iranian
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 But why should it be? It is not an Iranian language.
xabamsar 1 year ago
@xabamsar it´s incredibly closer to iranian then indo-aryan
and their like 20000 peoples all together................why not?
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@fuckturks2223 Despite how close it is to Iranian languages it still is not one. It would be inaccurate to classify it as Iranian.
xabamsar 1 year ago
this is by far the best vid i have seen on zoroastrianism yet. ..nearly every angle you covered is exactly how I explain it to folks that care to hear about it.
yes, it is a completely dead religion; however, there is a ton of similarities to this and the modern day idea of christianity.
my thoughts are that this is one of the forefathers of modern religion, this is where it started. what are your thoughts (simplified obviously. Please PM me, I would love to discuss further)
destin325 1 year ago
but what this has to do with cristianity? ok you proove something that has has to do with judean monotheism, what about cristianity?
iapetoc6 1 year ago
Actually the oldest wirtings of Zoroastrian found is around late 3rd or 4th century found in caves in China.
seanamico 1 year ago
THE PROPHECY OF ZÂRÂDÔSHT CONCERNING OUR LORD.
mysty0 1 year ago
In the book “Arda Viraf Namag”, the zoroastrian priest Arda Viraf described his
journey into sky to meet his diety.
Accompanied by an arch angel Bahman, he journyed through different levels of heavens and hells and crossed the bridge (sirat) before finally reaching his deity Ahura Mazda sitting on the throne in 7the heaven.
In 7th century AD., Muhammad, accompanied by arch angel gabriel, claimed to have made the similar journey into sky on a white horse to meet his deity.
THINK CRITICALLY
zulfitareen 1 year ago
Good Job, I hate when Christians Hate and create Division
However, I say small types of division isn't that bad
asorlonnn 1 year ago
El zoroastrismo influyó en la mayoría de creencias que defienden los judíos, cristianos y musulmanes de hoy en dia.
El monoteismo.
La creencia en el diablo como fuerza del mal
El odio a la idolatría.
El juicio final y
El reino de 1000 años
JoanKeops1 1 year ago
The reason that there are more Greek records about pre-Islamic Persia than there are records that are actually FROM Persia is because the Arabs invaded Persia in the 640s(ACE) and burned many splendid libraries that contained historic information. The Greeks hid their books and the Arabs were tired by the time they reached Greece, so it wasn't much of an affect.
EinsteinxtremeRoblox 1 year ago
Great work here!It's probably completely correct as well.At the time there really were NO other monotheistic religions we know of,only Zoroastrians and the Jews. Maybe they really were just originally the same thing. And christianity of course took a lot of influences form many other polytheistic religions like Mithraism and the ancient Egyptian myths.It seems to make the most sense that way.Jewish and Zoroastrian faiths are just too similar and too close to each other to be a simple concidence!
MsAzure77 1 year ago
Zoroastrian was not Persian. He was Kurdish.!!!
Poppy1Love 1 year ago
@Poppy1Love i am kurdish and i know he whasn`t kurdish.
fuckturks2223 1 year ago
@Poppy1Love
you really are an idiot, he was a Bactrian, from what is now Afghanistan, stupid half turk bastard you
shitonMOHAMMAD 1 year ago
Personally you may have gone to deep. Most christians wouldn't understand. Most Muslims would rather fight than switch.
beermn56 1 year ago
@beermn56 Yeah it's a funny thing isn't it...People would never want to admit that all the different monotheistic faiths are actually based on the same God Ahura Mazda! And THAT is the real origin of christianity as well. It benefits them so much more to keep people fighting and arguing about who's God is the "best" and the "true god" when in reality they're all the same ONE God! And Jesus has a lot more in common with egyptian Horus and the roman Mithras than they would EVER want to admit!
MsAzure77 1 year ago
@MsAzure77 Christianity is just a spin-off, as is Judism, Islam, Krishna, Mormonism, and dare I include, Scientology (what a joke). Not sure whether Mazda was the first or Saturnalia, or Odin. The only thing is they had their own geographically based god, but we here in North America couldn't even stick with the Huron, Sioux, Apache, Chipewyan or Navajo gods. I makes me feel a little inferior. Not to theists but to our native American brothers. I can't help but feel superior to godtards.
beermn56 1 year ago
The Hebrews absorb Zoraster and began to believe their God was not just the God of the Mountain or just their God, but everybodyies God
jaaagosto 1 year ago
It seems to me that Christianity is just a corrupted form Zoroastrianism, picking up a lot of barbaric baggage from ancient Judaism. Obviously the Jews of the time realised that Zoroastrianism was morally superior to what they had already and thought that superiority came from god.
Who can ignore "Speak good, Think good, and Do good" as moral commandments?
And in the bible it wasn't until Jesus "meek and mild" came along before Hell showed up as well - no doubt from Zoroastrianism.
mikeyman211 1 year ago
@mikeyman211 And it is widely accepted that the "three" wise men were Persian Zoroastrian priests. I think I can see why this Jew had such radical opinions for one of his religion.
mikeyman211 1 year ago
Awsome - Atleast you have quoted from the Bible to prove your point.
mishrik 1 year ago
christianity sprang from the Neoplatonists not from the jews who most certainly did not originate monotheism. 85% of judaism was plagiarized from the Sumerians, Africans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians and the Greeks. The jews manufactured the "exodus" and the "ten commandments" to overwrite the Code of Hammurabi. The fake hebrew bible characters were all manufactured to overwrite real historical Egyptians such as Amenemhet>>Abraham, Tuthmosis>>Moses and Imhotep>>Joseph.
chwadazat 1 year ago
Also, the fact that you're posting videos against God really says something that you might not be aware of... Why are you here and why do you feel the need to rail against something that isn't real? Peace for you lies in the answers to these two questions. Good luck and God bless.
infinityseed 1 year ago
@infinityseed Were here because there has been an unbroken chain of life going back billions of years. Its not that anti-theists and other non believers are against (your) god. The beef is with the followers who, for 2000 years has been opressing, intimidating, torturing, killing people who dont believe exactly like they do. Doing these things in the name of a supernatural being that hasnt been demonstrated to exist only makes it so much worse.
tallifer1 1 year ago
@tallifer1 Where did life originate? Billions, trillions, who cares? There is only one God, and to deny that fact is to stand against God--regardless of your personal beliefs. Your beef suggests a different history than the one recorded in ancient sources. You say 2000 years, but what historical facts do you base that claim upon? Are you suggesting that it was the Christian who threw the Roman citizens to the lions? Your logic is flawed, yet you refuse to see this.
infinityseed 1 year ago
Consider: a father loves his son and sends him out into the world with everything he needs to live a good life. He looks forward to the day when the son will return to him because of the love he has for the young man. He hopes and desires the best for his son, but he respects his son's rights as an individual... He does not nag and harass his son, but he sends messages to him letting him know he is loved. The man has six other sons and does the exact same thing for each of them.
infinityseed 1 year ago
@tallifer1 Now, while the son is out in the world, he quarrels with one of his brothers. The two fight and the brother is accidentally killed. The remaining brothers become the first man's enemies and much sorrow comes from this. The father hears of the situation and continues to love each of his sons equally. He does however wish the first son would come and speak to him about what happened. The son does not do this, so the father sends a messenger to him.
infinityseed 1 year ago
@tallifer1 The messenger speaks to the son and finds him angry with his brothers. Worse than this, when the messenger mentions the man's father, the man says, "I have no father, for he raised up six other men who have all become my enemies." From that day forward, the man never speaks to his father again and continues to despise his brothers for being against him. Yet, when the father dies, the son finds out that he is in his father's will--receiving and equal portion with his brothers.
infinityseed 1 year ago
@tallifer1 Now, did the son deserve such love and prosperity? Was it the father's fault that his brothers quarreled with him? Did the son's statement that he did not have a father in fact cause his father to cease to exist? If a son treated his father the way that this man did, would you not consider him childish, rude, and ungrateful?
Yet you are that son.
infinityseed 1 year ago
Have you considered the possibility that Zoroaster was really Zarah, twin of Pharez? Having lost his birthright to a twin might have given him reason to see the universe in a dualistic light. Also, it would explain some similarities between the three religions (H/C/Z). Speculation in the 1800's seemed to point to multiple persons occupying the role. Repeated contact with Hebrews (thus updating belief in coming messiah) might explain the appearance of magi at Christ's birth.
infinityseed 1 year ago
about indo-iranians, there was a third branch called nuristanis,
before they were called kaffiristanis because muslims hated them
the kaffristanis worshipped countless dieties, like a lot more dieties....
then the muslims came they they forced converted them
some have survied , and they were assimilated into dardic speakers but
they still kept their polytheism,
they're called the Kalash people
TheSuperItalian123 1 year ago
@TheSuperItalian123 and some people think they're alexandrian leftovers
don;t believe that , scinece proves it false
it's based on why they look like white people but they lack european genes
and macedonians and albanians(surprisingly :/) come and they claim to be their ancestors, they're like creationists believing when DNA markers dont tell it
and macedonians think alexander was a slav
like how creationists believe the world is 12 000 years old....
TheSuperItalian123 1 year ago
zoroaster wasnt persian
he was a komboja guy
the descendants of the kamboj are the pashtuns and the pamiri people , related ethnic groups were scythians, soghdians and sarmatians.
The Kamboj people are related to persians but not exactly persians
it's like how russians and poles are slavs but a pole is not a russian but related to russians.
Zoroaster was a kamboj guy and his faith spread through the medians then to persians, and probably he influenced tochariansand turkic nomads, and hindus too.
TheSuperItalian123 1 year ago
@TheSuperItalian, You are an idiot, an anthiest according to your own page, you have little or no education little boy, your peach fuzz has not even grown