Links for download of all the known existing material (Act III) are available above, on video info. Feel free to share them with friends. It's a must!
Everybody who want's to see Kleiber conducting should visit MDWtristanfilms's channel, he/she posted 13 parts of Tristan und Isolde and Der Rosenkavalier.
thank you for uploading the wonderful movie of Rosenkavalier-Finale with Kleiber in the picture. May I ask where you got this DVD? I bought Deutsche Grammophon/UNITEL, but to my disappointment this is a version without the conducting Kleiber...
All good wishes, kind regards from Salzburg, Austria,
As far as I know the ORF did a broadcast of one performance where you could see Kleiber conducting. There's also a DVD about a rehersal to this production available.
The singing is marvelous. Unfortunately, as much respect as I have for Kleiber, he's clocking in at 100 to the quarter note at Marschallin's "wird er so...", where Strauss specifies 88 to the quarter. For such a glorious moment, Kleiber is much too brisk.
You forgot to list every other musical performance and recording in history that didn't exactly follow the rather arbitrary metronome marking a composer put on their music in the comfort of their composing studio. Perhaps you might try listening to music not with a metronome ticking nearby, but with an identification with musical content and proportion. Does Kleiber's "brisk" tempo make sense in the context of the performance's trajectory as a whole? Absolutely.
And yet you don't complain about Kleiber and Lott's tempo at "Hab' mir's gelobt" which is much slower than the written 72, and you seem to miss the fact that although Kleiber does not follow exactly to the letter the metronome markings, he captures the spirit of the general forward direction and acceleration towards "wird er so." In other words, the proportions and shape that Strauss indicated are followed exactly. Not just exactly, but poetically and magically and poignantly.
The bottom line is this: I respect that you cherish this performance. But I'd hope you'd give me the same respect for my opinion. One doesn't have to agree. By the way, I played Traviata in Florence with Kleiber in the 80's and I thought it was great!
Conducting on the highest, highest, highest level. Conducting as a profound philosophical message: to control is not to control. Conducting as the idea that the performers perform, the conductor guides. Conducting as the notion that the orchestra and singers make the performance, the conductor follows from behind and comments. Conducting as the notion that making music is having an idea about musical content, not simply where the beats are in a pattern. Conducting as breath-taking genius.
@nickfox2 Well I will certainly "second" that! Klleiber was an authentic genius.I will never forget his performance of Rosenkavalier at the Metropolitan Opera in New York in the late 1970s, if I am not mistaken. I believe Yvonne Minton was Octavion. As Minton and I had a close mutual friend, the heiress and artist, Selene Fung, we all went to a late dinner afterwards with the actor, Don Murray, but none of us could get Kleiber's incandescent musical magic out of our heads....
You may not remember, but we met a little over ten years ago at Tali Makell's apartment in Brooklyn, where I was staying while I auditioned for school in New York.. I played the Chopin b minor Scherzo for you, and you were kind enough to give me feedback (I remember distinctly your introducing the idea of the bell-like left hand in the slow section).I was a contributor to the Scriabin online group in my younger and more naive days. Nice to "hear from you" again!
@nickfox2 Hey there, Nick! Of course I remember, very well in fact! I hope you have been thriving thoughout the years. What are you up to these days? I will send you a note privately with my co-ordinates.
Thank you thank you, dear Rodrigo! Kleiber definitely deserves that 20% of the screen space. :D
agreatgeat 5 months ago
Carlos Kleiber was an absolute genius. No other conductor conducts this piece quite like him.
niallguinan 1 year ago
absolutely breathtaking...
panajody 1 year ago
Aparte de las voces maravillosas de las intérpretes, el que está realmente grandioso es Carlos Kleiber, ¡que dominio y que gran director!.
100arbos 1 year ago 2
UPDATE ON 28.II.2010
Links for download of all the known existing material (Act III) are available above, on video info. Feel free to share them with friends. It's a must!
rodrigocaiazzo 1 year ago
Everybody who want's to see Kleiber conducting should visit MDWtristanfilms's channel, he/she posted 13 parts of Tristan und Isolde and Der Rosenkavalier.
Happy New Year to everyone
Ethratian 2 years ago
Dear friend,
thank you for uploading the wonderful movie of Rosenkavalier-Finale with Kleiber in the picture. May I ask where you got this DVD? I bought Deutsche Grammophon/UNITEL, but to my disappointment this is a version without the conducting Kleiber...
All good wishes, kind regards from Salzburg, Austria,
Peter Lang
langpe1 2 years ago
As far as I know the ORF did a broadcast of one performance where you could see Kleiber conducting. There's also a DVD about a rehersal to this production available.
All the best
Ethratian 2 years ago
Das ist musizieren in Vollendung!
johmathema 2 years ago 2
Absolutely beautiful voices and the conductor on screen. Hmm... just wonderfu. Bravo!
Do give us more rodrigocaiazzo .
Thank you.
Haendelful 2 years ago 5
Please someone post more showing Kleiber!!! :)
tumbled5 2 years ago 10
Um, hello, but look at Lott's acting! Spectacular
lindsaydenman 2 years ago 2
The singing is marvelous. Unfortunately, as much respect as I have for Kleiber, he's clocking in at 100 to the quarter note at Marschallin's "wird er so...", where Strauss specifies 88 to the quarter. For such a glorious moment, Kleiber is much too brisk.
muslit 2 years ago
You forgot to list every other musical performance and recording in history that didn't exactly follow the rather arbitrary metronome marking a composer put on their music in the comfort of their composing studio. Perhaps you might try listening to music not with a metronome ticking nearby, but with an identification with musical content and proportion. Does Kleiber's "brisk" tempo make sense in the context of the performance's trajectory as a whole? Absolutely.
nickfox2 2 years ago 3
whatever - i thought it was way too fast, checked it out - sorry, too fast for me -
muslit 2 years ago
And yet you don't complain about Kleiber and Lott's tempo at "Hab' mir's gelobt" which is much slower than the written 72, and you seem to miss the fact that although Kleiber does not follow exactly to the letter the metronome markings, he captures the spirit of the general forward direction and acceleration towards "wird er so." In other words, the proportions and shape that Strauss indicated are followed exactly. Not just exactly, but poetically and magically and poignantly.
nickfox2 2 years ago 5
The bottom line is this: I respect that you cherish this performance. But I'd hope you'd give me the same respect for my opinion. One doesn't have to agree. By the way, I played Traviata in Florence with Kleiber in the 80's and I thought it was great!
muslit 2 years ago
Conducting on the highest, highest, highest level. Conducting as a profound philosophical message: to control is not to control. Conducting as the idea that the performers perform, the conductor guides. Conducting as the notion that the orchestra and singers make the performance, the conductor follows from behind and comments. Conducting as the notion that making music is having an idea about musical content, not simply where the beats are in a pattern. Conducting as breath-taking genius.
nickfox2 2 years ago 22
@nickfox2 Well I will certainly "second" that! Klleiber was an authentic genius.I will never forget his performance of Rosenkavalier at the Metropolitan Opera in New York in the late 1970s, if I am not mistaken. I believe Yvonne Minton was Octavion. As Minton and I had a close mutual friend, the heiress and artist, Selene Fung, we all went to a late dinner afterwards with the actor, Don Murray, but none of us could get Kleiber's incandescent musical magic out of our heads....
guirlandes3 2 months ago
@guirlandes3John Bell Young!
You may not remember, but we met a little over ten years ago at Tali Makell's apartment in Brooklyn, where I was staying while I auditioned for school in New York.. I played the Chopin b minor Scherzo for you, and you were kind enough to give me feedback (I remember distinctly your introducing the idea of the bell-like left hand in the slow section).I was a contributor to the Scriabin online group in my younger and more naive days. Nice to "hear from you" again!
nickfox2 2 months ago
@nickfox2 Hey there, Nick! Of course I remember, very well in fact! I hope you have been thriving thoughout the years. What are you up to these days? I will send you a note privately with my co-ordinates.
guirlandes3 2 months ago
How on Earth did you find this?
Is there any way to see more of Kleiber's conducting during the rest of the opera?
brandonsmatthews 2 years ago
Brave!
oinkk1 2 years ago
Thank you very much.
I had never thought of this screen geometry.
Happy surprise.
Is there any slight chance to have any other scenes?
Yeah, as alquimistars-san asked, last duo.
Thanks again, Cheers!
TATSUHOKO 3 years ago
This is an exciting document!
Could we expect anything more?
For instance, the last duo?
Many thanks for your excellent work!
alquimistars 3 years ago 2