Condoleezza Rice Responds to Torture Allegations

[caycug1]

I love Condi... she is a great lady.

[MicDoane]

"professorial skills?"  = ability to baldly lie

[weslenforever]

Bush made it "very clear" from the very beginning that he wanted nothing to do with any intelligence that came in on Clinton's watch! PERIOD! If it put this country at risk SO WHAT. He couldn't care less just so long as he didn't have to FEEL inferior, as he WAS, to a DEMOCRAT and especially to a CLINTON!

[newworldodour]

war criminal..off to the hauge with her and hang her high, make that low so there is no drop so its a long slow death and see if that gives her time to review her thoughts on the bush dictatorship and her total disregard for the geneva convention.

[IheartJDAMs]

@newworldodour

Is it cold in the basement?

[vistavision2]

Rive begins with a false premise of "context of remembering the times".

Laws of Armed Conflict are purposed to be applied to the context of CONFLICT & NOT context of "military necessity"

Idiots of AG Gonzales & Rice do not understand the IL principle of "extra-territoriality" [i.e., Embassies, oversea bases, etc as beign soveriegn territory of the USA]] as they propose that GTMO is not part of the USA because it on the GEOGRAPHICAL island of Cuba

Is GTMO a territory of OPUS or OVPUS?

[SomethingYoushouldSe]

This vid is full of lies.... check for a youtuber called wearechange2

[curea229]

She should hang from the gallows instead of being treated with respect at interviews. It's sickening listening to criminals BS their way through respectable society.

[Navywxman]

The T word!? The word is TORTURE!

We don't need to hear Rice trying to BS her way out of the crimes she is party to. What is needed is she is arrested along with the other war criminals, make her wear an orange jumpsuit, and placed on trial for what everyone knows is crimes these parasites committed. The last thing she and her cohorts should be doing is walking free attending discussions.

There is no debate about crimes committed, its time for trials, period.

[TheEvolver311]

condi was the sec of state, she in no way invented policy. sec of states job is to go out and speak on behalf of the president. if obama tells sec state clinton to go out and push this agenda, she will have little to no controll over the agenda outside of the actuall forming of the rhetoric she will use.

president,vice president, and the sec of def can be blamed.

[Navywxman]

the evolver - Sorry but she was part of policy discussion and planning, not an outsideras you attempt to assert.

She played a role in the forming, the implementation, and the propaganda in what is known crimes and unless she is legally retarded she knew it, such as torture.

If Obama were to instruct Clinton to be involved and war crimes and she did she should be held accountable too.

Rice should be locked up facing trial with her partners in crime as the law spells out.

[TheEvolver311]

she has no say in the policy pics, if she gave her opinion well thats all she could do.

sec of state has no power over policy choice.

it is really killing the messanger

no proof that she "formed" any of the torture policies, it has become quite clear that cheney essentially invented the concept, rum's pushed for it as def policy, the president said "go"

condi did her job, the sec of state is supposed to go out and promote the presidents policies, not to inject her personal opinion

[Navywxman]

Thats where you are wrong. She was no worker ant just following orders, she did have a say in policy decisions and she was an advocate for torture. A Senate Intel committee revealed she personally approved torture. Guess what, that is punishable by the law!

She also lied and said that "we did not torture anyone." Yet that is now a known lie. It is punishable to cover up such crimes.

She has defended the practice as legal which it very clearly is not. And torture is just one of her crimes!

[TheEvolver311]

sec of state's only function is to go and speak on behalf of the president, if bush asked her for her opinion that doesn't mean she had offical say in policy.

[Youmightberight]

At the time the torture that we know about was approved and committed, she was not Sec. of State; she was the National Security Advisoro to the President.

[TheEvolver311]

she was simply going out and spouting out the offical presidental position on any given issue.

she was a specialist on soviet issues for most of her professional life, she doesn't have a background in law, military ethics or anything that would point to her having any real say in these types of policies.

cheney, bush, rumsfeld, tenet, goss all have blame in this terrible shame on our nation. they actually had authority to dictate these types of policies.

[Navywxman]

You can try and spin things all you want it doesn't change the facts at all.

I already know her background and I know the law and as I've already said she broke it

Mentioning her background doesnt have anything in law or military ethics doesnt alter anything She played a role in the decision making, advocated, and supported the use of torture. As already said that is illegal and punishable by the law.

The others do have responsibility for the use of torture as does Rice.

[TheEvolver311]

what specific law did she break?

the sec. of states job is to advocate and support whatever the president tells them too.

[Navywxman]

This desperation to absolve Rice is becoming as pathetic as your arguments to do so.

What specific law? Are you serious because this is becoming a joke? The laws both domestic and international and associated ratified treaties and statutes that prohibit torture! If you want numbers and dates look it up yourself.

This isn't about what a Sec. of states job is, its about what she DID and did not do.

I'm done with your idiocy, look at previous comments if your still confused about why.

[TheEvolver311]

what crime is she guilty of?

define it.

[bigc028282]

You are obviously a full time shill for her. Why don't you spend some time on other sites related to the subject. Torture is illegal and she is "shilling" for it; and that makes her an accomplice.

[Youmightberight]

"whatever the president tells them to"? C'mon; you know better than that. By the way, your description is not the Sec. of State's job anyhow.

[TheEvolver311]

she had no decission making power, sec of states job is to go out and speak on behalf of the president to other nations, and to drafting various types of formal paper work. and to function as a advisor to the pres on foreign affairs.

in no place does the sec get to make a policy choice. it isn't in the job.

[Youmightberight]

Again, she was not the Sec. of State at the time of the torture -- either its approval or its commission. She was the National Security Advisor. And she signed off on the torture. She knew and authorized what was going on. She will have to be careful where she travels abroad.

And the Sec. of State's job is not "to advocate and supoort whatever the Pres. tells them to." They take an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

She did not do that!

[TheEvolver311]

and national securtiy advisor doesn't choose policy, also they changed the laws regarding torture. i don't approve of it, it doesn't get any better results than nonviolent means of information extraction(or at least that is what they taught me in the army). but it is rediculous to think that anything will happen to them for doing it. they are now protected by law and Obama isn't going to do anything about it.

[Youmightberight]

You better believe they will be very careful about where they travel abroad.

As for Obama, I agree. He now is part of the problem. And the Convention Against Torture does not permit discretion in investigating and prosecuting credible allegations of torture. Given that the claims have come from the ICRC, from FBI interrogators, from a Judge at the very Military Commissions set up by the Bush Administration, and from the mouth of Dick Cheney, the allegations are credible and Obama is guilty too.

[TheEvolver311]

why would they need to be carefull? they only go to countries that have authoritarian governments that will protect them. they will not go mingle with the commoners they will hangout with the elites that they share common goals with.

i wish they would prosecute for the warcrimes, but it just will not happen.

[Youmightberight]

You can't see some of them going to Spain, for example, where Judge Baltasar Garzon is pursuing a case against six Bush administration lawyers? I can assure you they will not have travel agents as cavalier about their chances of being arrested overseas as you seem to be.

[TheEvolver311]

no i cannot see them going to spain, and for just that reason. they know the same things you do. plus Bush gets a life time secret service protection granted to him.

it won't happen like i said they will go to countries that they are friendly with. europe has no oil so i don't see bush giving them a second thought now.

[bigc028282]

Your defense for her didn't work for the Nazi's either. When time comes, don't offer to represent her; she will lose.

[angelofmercy29]

They are using a stupid dude to prove a point to make things look tolerant when torture tactics aren't really

[cyberjnke]

This guy acts like a Kissinger mini-me

very funny

[flips300021]

Clutching at straws springs to mind..In other words. Flabber!. On the verge of an insult to the "Intelligence" of the Human Being.

[frankroto]

Yes, Condi, we get it. Bush didn't want to do anything that was not legal. He asked the DOJ if what he wanted done to the prisoners (waterboarding) was legal. They said yes, it was. He believed them and authorized waterboarding. They were wrong: waterboarding is torture and is illegal. (Duh!) That makes Bush a criminal. The "it doesn't matter if it's legal because it worked" defense is a red herring. Terrorism works, but that doesn't make it OK.

[locfinest2009]

lol

[NameFreedom]

Filthy torturer can't make a defense that makes sense. "This is really hard" Imagine how hard it was for all the people who died during your administration's reign. Imagine how hard it would be for someone experiencing torture without trial. Imagine how hard it was for liberals watching you wretched monsters.

[jellygraph]

False false false... it's the same stories the Bush adminsitration told while in office. Why do we keep asking the same people who ordered and allowed these horrid things to happen to justify themselves?

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

[Chrisnoscrub047]

On "giving the benefit of the doubt":

We should do this for the torturers (the people who worked for the U.S.) but not for those accused (those who looked more like a stereotypical Muslim)? 2:00 - 2:06

[soundscapenyc]

hate much?

[wiskawind]

Rice is nothing but Bush's WAR WHORE!

This bitch deserves to hang right next to Bush and Cheney for WAR CRIMES and fucking Treason!

[BostonTPartyagain]

WE DIDN'T "TOURTURE" ANYBODY YOU IDIOTS! People who are tortured walk away with DAMAGE! By the time they talk, they are missing some fingers or almost dead. "waterboarding" is a joke. It STOPS as soon as you tell what you are holding out on! Not acceptable as normal law enforcement obviously, but we ARE AT WAR -you stupid idiot liberal traitors!

[VivekRajcoomar]

i hope u wouldnt mind if i waterboarded ur mom. seeing as it's not torture and all.

[Mastikator]

Dying doesn't count as "damage"?

[zeropointemcs]

lies about 911 lies about the oil wars lies about torture ,i sometimes wish there was a just god shame on the low life scum bag

[zipszink]

Power seems to make moral imbeciles of some people. There is no debate. Water boarding is torture. What did you intend to say. Hard decisions? No, there is no need to think twice about it. Torture is always wrong, always!

[DanFrederiksen]

you're going to hell Connie. I could tell you what you needed to do to avoid it but you wouldn't listen..

[arequipa1]

stupidest comment on youtube in the 2009 year.

[phfrankh]

2:29 I'm sorry Ms. Rice but, even I was aware that a profound strike on U.S.A. was emminate Sept. 10th, 11th 2001. I don't trust your rhetoric Ms. Rice.

[hoktula]

"obligations " my ass !

George Carlin said ti nicely: 'we're the war loving country .... bomb brown people'.

Condi is a shameless hypocrite !

hopefully she and George the "Pubic-bush" are gonna to jail for their war crimes

[italianopellicanoita]

CONDOLEZZA ANTIPATIC WOMAN XS

[Shadizar666]

She needs to be smacked around

have the tar beat outta her

until she admits gagged on bush's pinky

[arequipa1]

and you need to choke on nine inches of throbbing black steel, you fucking cumstain

[Shadizar666]

arequipa

you obviously missed the point of my previous statement

don't be stupid

[arequipa1]

no, i think i understood.

[Shadizar666]

arequipa no, I don't think you did or else you didn't understand what she was saying she danced around the bush very nicely but she advocated torture on the basis that it was "legal" hears my point now, seeings how I have to spell it out torture to american pow's is a war crime torture by americans is "legal" my previous point was along the lines people will say anything under torture hence "beat the ever livin' tar outta her" true or not, she will admit sucking bush's cock put 2n2 together

[arequipa1]

you finally got to the point at the end of that long post. it's really all about sucking cock for you, you don't really give a crap about torture or any of that crap. isn't that kind of gay

[Shadizar666]

arequipa I wouldn't have had to drag my post out to the max and do some diligent trimming to the last sentence if you showed signs of capable though instead, you made a knee jerk comment that smacks of being a minority of some sort as you made the comment of a big black cock I'll go with black or maybe a woman or just a bleeding heart liberal or any combination of the three now, I may be wrong on all counts ... but I'm pretty sure I'm not gay

[arequipa1]

oh so you're a racist are you? not surprising

[Shadizar666]

ah

so you're a retard are you

makes perfect sense now

[arequipa1]

who did you vote for in the last election?

[Shadizar666]

I don't vote

I personally think the system is rigged

[arequipa1]

ya, so basically you're an obama lover?

fuck obama.

[Robfenix]

You say you intended to follow legal obligations foreign and domestic, so you talked to some attorneys. Then that attorney waived the Geneva convention. Then that attorney said that Federal statutes do not apply to the President. So, how can you say that you lived up to your legal obligations domestic and international? Very disingenuous.

[quicksite]

by the way, NICE SHOES condi ! Priorities, always.

[jesuschrustpizza]

Terrorists are the last obstacle to the establishment of the New World Order.

[2xtream]

Miss Rice: Torture is torture, the truth will be known soon. And if you are one of the guilty you will found guilty as the rest. There is NO EXCUSE. WE DON'T TORTURE EVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If youre guilty you will do your time in prison. None are above the LAW !!!!!

[quicksite]

Actually: Bush Admin officials ARE above the law: The world agrees all these architects of Iraq invasion are war criminals. I'm a US citizen and half our country are classic Chickenhawks -- who never serve or do combat or grunt work, yet the most aggressive in conjuring it up as US policy.

She & Cheney & Bush & Rumsfeld & Powell & Tenet will never see jail, but if they were extradited to intl court, ALL would be found guilty of war crimes.

That would be the right & moral thing to do.

[jackferwerda]

1:48

[gabiotta]

That is some serious Omen shit.

[hurchel]

She is going to get her internal revealed whether she wants to or not...

[thunderpants10]

It's not a hard issue.

It's torture, if you do it you're one of the bad guys

[TempestWriter]

Though I think that torture is certainly a bad thing, I doubt it is as black and white as that. I don't think the adminstration ( as stupid as bush tended to be) relished torturing people. Furthermore, a government has the obligation to protect its own citizens. It must do that, otherwise it has failed its obligations of the social contract. Thus, while I cannot bring myself to endorse torture, I can at least understand why it happened, and perhaps it was neccessary.

[TempestWriter]

by the way, people, I'm not endorsing torture, nor am I saying its a good thing. I am however pointing out that it is understandable as to why such an extreme measure was taken after 9/11.

Furthermore, you would be naive to think that Obama wouldn't have done the same thing.

[CE2949BB]

@TempestWriter - Oh, come on! Pick a side and defend it no matter the evidence, circumstance or context. It's fun! :P

[TempestWriter]

I'm saying that torture is bad, sure. But under the context of the situation I think most leaders would resort to it in the belief that it is for a greater good.

Evidence and circumstance is always relevant to the situation. If a bad act is the only way to stop a worse act, and its the only way, then would you do it? In a nutshell I'm implying that most of the people commenting see this as being black and white mostly because they don't like the Bush or Rice.

[quicksite]

Blah blah tempestWriter with such wise clarifications of acceptable torture. How many times do any of you numbskulls have to hear it from ex-CIA, ex-NavySeals, ex-Marines, ex-US Military Commanders, all free now to speak wiothout violating oaths, that torture does not produce usable results. They all say it, over and over and over. yet STILL the armchair assholes know better.

[TempestWriter]

lol did I ever comment that it produces results? Did I ever make any kind of claim like that? I'll be honest I never studied how effective torture is. I don't think anyone has (if for no other reason than its unethical).

I'm simply saying that unless you have suicidal tendances, sometimes it neccessary to nasty things in order to stay alive. Though I'm not endorsing what the administration did, I do think they were trying to do the right thing.

[quicksite]

apparently you could not make the connection between former combat specialists and commanders who themselves have undergone torture in their line of duty for USA, or they have in times past been present to witness attempts at torture, all for that purest of reasons of yours -- maybe the situation is so dire we must rough em around a bit... If you have not been exposed to EXPERTS all concluding it doesn't work, how bout taking a nice capsule of STFU... blah blah meaningless blah

[TempestWriter]

Dude, if it dosn't work, fine. I wouldn't know as I haven't studied torture as much as you have.

However, I will argue that a governement has a binding obligation to ensure the safety of its own citizens over those of other nations. You can write off everything I say as meaningless, whatever floats your boat. However, I think almost any leader would have done the same. Your also naive if you dont believe the rest of the world dosn't try torture either.

[quicksite]

Why don't you talk to professionals before you instruct me or anyone else about what works, mr 20-year old.

I'm not an authority. I'm a citizen who looks for evidence and facts, not blowhard comments and gut-level assumptions.

Maybe you've heard of a satirist named Stephen Colbert. Duh. Ever wonder where his phrase "truthiness" came from? Statements like yours.

Don't drop out of school just yet.

[TempestWriter]

lol don't drop out yet, he says!

What do you think I am, some kind of young neo-con? The fact is, I find both liberals and conservatives equally repulsive. Do not talk down to me as if I were an idiot.

Its also obvious you see the world in absolutes: coporate america = evil, bush = satan, so on and so forth. I bet you even pine for the days of the good old USSR. Why don't you stop smoking the crack men like Galloway has been giving you and seriously consider both sides.

[TempestWriter]

After both sides a certainly framing the truth in their own way, and more or less creating a fabrication in order to advance their own agenda.

Truthiness goes both ways, Quicksite.

[quicksite]

this is just generalist babble. you are defending your lack of knowledge by spewing platitudes based on your gut.

there is ton of corruption with democrats, a ton. but at issue here is torture as a us policy, used to try to justify a war, despite it doesn't produce reliable & actionable info. period. that's the issue, as i said, stay in school.

[TempestWriter]

I guess you'velistened to nothing I've said so far because I have already conceded that torture might very well be ineffective. That also wasn't my point to begin with either. As I said in my very first post, I am not advocating torture.

[TempestWriter]

My point, which you've managed to miss again and again somehow, was that most leaders put in that postion would probubly do the same. I also think that many of the choices a leader makes is based on their hitherto dispised "gut" as many leaders do not have time (especially when they beleive their country is under attack). I never said it was the right choice, only that the administration was trying to do what they believed was correct when they gave the order.

[TempestWriter]

As to your worries about academic future, don't worry quicksite, I'm planning on going for a Doctorate. Rest assured that I have no plans on dropping out. However, just because I'm in college, that does not mean that my opinions are invalid or uninformed.

[quicksite]

did you look at the links of what ex-cia & ex mil interrogators say? forget WHERE they say it. did you watch & hear WHAT they say?

it;s so easy to state "i am repulsed by them all'. i may be too, but i still have a civic obligation to be informed, and i don't outsource that to anyone. no, your hyperboles are dead wrong re corporate america. there are outstanding models of profitable ethical &smart corporate enterprises, and they embody the truly great american entrepreneurial spirit,

[felixthehuman]

quicksite if you have this knowledge how bout taking a nice capsule of share-with-the-rest-of-the-cla­ss and at least throw a some references our way.

[quicksite]

Doesn't get reported in primetime news. Examples

1) Col. Lawrence Richardson, former Chief of Staff to Secy of State Colin Powell, GWB Admin 1: v=OtxoZw4K6kE

2) July 2002 Memo from SEER: v=wzXSmQTelBI

3) Oct 2007 - Robert Baer - Former CIA Case Officer, Middle East, over 20 years: v=jIWhmWeK0TU . v=ep6hvIi-LDw

4) Former FBI Interrogator Jack Cloonan: v=OGdNhwFqhyU

5) Army Interrogator, Iraq: v=Pz3bTeSmr8A

Compare to no-combat blowhards: v=m-qDZaTgdO0

[quicksite]

ran out of space:

one more:

v=vMBkdaVm1rc

These are just the recent ones. As this CIA agent says, you get actionable information by appealing to different motivations: Some people give up info because they want to be thought of as smart. Some respond to money. Some to psychology. There are so many different methods that yield real actionable information. vs info spewed during torture yields almost always false info because they tell you what they think you want to hear to stop the pain.

[felixthehuman]

Thanks for the refs-they give this video better context.

[quicksite]

felix - thanks for watching one or more of them. I wish more people would. It's one thing when the information is not available to know. It's another when we know, the consensus is clear, but political strategists nevertheless choreograph elaborate tales to sell Americans with... Only come to find out they were all lying and threw away many dissenting views re their plans.