I do not think humans are "good" or "bad", that would be an arbitrary dogmatic hypothesis. Having been in a store before, I've seen a kid "act up" because the parent was antagonizing them. However, It can also be a junk-food addiction. In that dichotomy, its' a vicious cycle.
Being at the trade school, dorm staff do not acknowledge feedback about toxic leadership at least from the dorm staff I have had to be burdened with.
Aaron; as a mom who home schooled herself thought high school and has 4 kids..my kids were in public schools for awhile and it was one nightmare after another...I now unschool 3 teen boys..and they are happy and smart..I agree with everything you just said..good for you for speaking out!
@aaron0883 you are a ridiculous man. you are lamenting a system whereby all kids are treated the same and we neglect their particular needs. and then you suggest a system where we treat all the kids the same. Sure rigid structure and discipline will cause some kids to rebel but others will rebel if we show no discipline. I know even as an adult that attempting to make decisions that are best for me without any outside guidance is foolish. How can we expect kids to know!
Aaron I have never had more confidence in thumbing up a video I couldn't agree with your well made points any more. I wish there were more people like you out there. Bravo.
I agree with the fact that children should be treated with respect, but what I don't find right, is that last part. When you said, if I kid thinks school is boring, don't send him to school. Then where else is the kid supposed to learn the basics, of reading and writing, math..blah blah, if the parents are fit to teach them themselves, or can't afford personal teachers?
almost every TV show is pointless ( except Animal Planet, Discovery Planet, etc.) for ex. South Park, Cartoon Network( TOTAL POINTLESS ), and this is what I mean by technology...in Colonial Times children were quite respectful...
First of all Im a child as of now..but I am not a bad,spoiled child your generation of adults(maybe even 1800+)have made coruption( swearing, fighting, violent games,mainly all video games,) my theory is swearing, like in his video, and mainly technology they think they are better than you.if I were president,you would have a better nation,but sadly it would be against the Declaration of Independance,I know my knowledge is quite lower than yours,but I'm on the same page as you.
Not fully true. I would say you don't learn shit as well as you should in a practically way with some certain things depending on how it's corrilated at the rate you should be learned them. But you have a valid point and I respect it regardless. (Only policticans and feds due I not agree with your neither of the two)
Not just parent people who don't understand them in general. I might of got a bit of that in high school. I think I had a teacher who might have rounded by average up one 6 week semester because they felt bad for me. I think?
That is so true it's bad enforced from friends, communities parents, and bad fincial status (with a smig from TV and comics and movies on ultra rare occasions) (90 to 98 of the time it relates to one of those first four or something similar)
I will subsribe eventuall I have to get all the stuff from the people
I have alrteady sucribe to done. I might be able to add you I maye May. Kastronmius and the other major LPS tend to over update a bit so I might be about a month before I can put you on. But I love your videos the school systems is flawed majorly to some extent it always has been. The other systems are messed up but are not focused on as much.
Respect, yes. However, we humans have also bad emotions, bad thoughts and bad impulses, so that we make wrong decisions and wrong moves in our lifes. In my christian view, everyone is born with both God and the devil inside, and the devil wants nothing but to have bad influence on humans, from both inside and outside. Thus children need to learn what is right and wrong in order to control themselves, and they need to be punished when they do something bad in spite of knowing that it is bad.
If you just let kids do whatever they want and you do whatever they want then they usually want shit. And a kid in supermarket might start crying for getting cheese burger with fries or even in Mcdonalds everyday. But you cant buy them that... so instead you have to tell them off. And once you do that they yell and scream... SO that doesnt make you a bad parent.
This is the same justification most parents use. They make the parent child relationship a fight, instead of respecting.
It makes no sense that children evolved to want to piss everyone off, and do the most irresponsible things. This is why I find this idea super rooted in religion .. However, most people believe it because they don't want to accept that their own parents were shitty.
No, they dont do things to piss everyone off. They just dont know what to do at all. They r kids for God sake, you cant treat a kid like an adult simply because they are not able enough to think like an adult.
The biggest example is yourself. You werent thinking like this when you were 5 or 6 or maybe even before you went to University. I am not saying you were stupid, but you definitely didnt know stuff as much as you do now.
So I think kids and even some adults still dont know how to behave.
I am not saying you should force them or beat them, but you simply cant ignore and do what they want to do. No1 can be so perfect to bear a child so well that by the age of 1 they do everything and know everything. You are simply not living in a real world. The things that you are saying are just a dream... there will definitely be alot of less able kids to think for themselves and you have to guide them for the right direction. You have to tell them off for those things which are harmful...
@phidvid It depends what you mean by that. In some terms everyone is egocentric and innately selfish. Often, when people say those terms they mean, lacking empathy and innately combative with other humans to get their desires met. If that is what you mean, than I would say that it doesn't follow.
@aaron0883 It's just that you're right in saying that 'it makes no sense that children evolved to want to piss everyone off', but that doesn't mean they are born perfect in wisdom and thoughtfulness of others, and with a perfect knowledge of how humans interact and live in the world. If you love a child you will discipline them when they do wrong. I feel sorry for children with no discipline at home. As a teacher I deal with plenty and they are the ones who go through life as battlers.
@phidvid As a teacher I feel sorry for children who are disciplined at home. If you want to know why children lack empathy and respect for others ... just look so far as what we teach them. Obedience, discipline, and crap like that are concepts of incredible lack of empathy and respect for a child. Some might fear abuse and neglect enough to comply with an 'authority'. However, I don't think it is a healthy way for a person to live.
@aaron0883 Clearly children aren't born with a capacity for empathy, let alone a capacity for nearly anything. At what point in time do you suggest a human can truly learn to empathise as opposed to learning correct and incorrect behaviours through incentives and discipline?
@phidvid And how do you teach a child who continually wants to hurt people that it's wrong? It would be great if there was a respect switch that you could just flick and suddenly they understand, but that tends not to always work, particularly dealing with children with intellectual and emotional disabilities (which is not always the product of upbringing). BTW I think your comments about respecting children are fantastic, but just a bit naive in the depth which you take them.
@phidvid darn ... your response sounds a little sarcastic. I guess throwing lovingly in front of horrible abuse doesn't negate the abuse. However, I guess some people feel empowered by the abuse they inflict since it is supported by the status quo ... so with those forms we can throw lovingly in front of horrible abuse and it seems more justified. I will remember that for future reference. thanks.
@aaron0883 Obviously you and I have a very different understanding of discipline. My discipline doesn't involve a hint of abuse, I have never laid a finger on a child, nor would I verbally abuse them. My discipline however, teaches that there are consequences for actions, so that people can't just 'rape' and think that it is fine.
@phidvid There are studies that show that children are born with a capacity for empathy. I encourage you to read some books by Alfie Cohn ... specifically a book titled 'Punished By Rewards'. I don't think there is the desire or ability to discuss pop behaviorism adequately in the comment section of a video.
@aaron0883 There are studies that say just about anything. I could quote you hundreds of studies that oppose your views, but I don't think the point is to quote studies. I can see this could be an endless debate between two opposing views, there's no way your opinion is going to change, neither is mine, hopefully people can see that there are differing beliefs and not everything you say is 'fact'.
Great video! 5 stars! I have 3 grandchildren (by marriage), the oldest is 15. I have never yelled at any of them and they have more respect for me that the other adults in their lives. I'm always telling others that if they want respect, give respect. Kids are people too, only with fewer experiences. Peace! :-)
i know that kids can be jerks by nature. i know....i was one. i was a wild child and always whined and complained just cause. my parents were never jerks to me and they arent jerks in general. so you are half right on this
What would you say about the kids who whine because they dont get a toy or a snack they want when the parent cant afford it? That isnt neglect I beleive.
They way society raises children today is totally messed up. Bribary and minipulation are not the way to go becuase the kids start to turn bad. I went to public schoo but back in my day (wow can't believe I am saying that) teaching was so much different. Today kids get rewarded with stickers all the time, even for no reason. I never got a stickers and rewards in school. I had to work my hardest.
I have 2 daughters and started off parenting like my parents and most people. One day after yet more fighting, I just hit a wall and just refused to believe it had to be 'this way'. I went through similar readings from John Holt to Haime Ginnott to Naomi Aldort and even back to Herman Hesse. They all pointed to one simple thing: treat children with respect.
Now 3 years later, I have a wonderful relationship with my 2 girls and have not seen a tantrum from the youngest (now 4).
I agree with everything you have to say here, but here is my question... Be it a a stupid one maybe, but here it is... What is your idea of an effective way to teach children that isn't "our" idea of bad? I understand the respect thing, but what are some techniques, or ideas you have? I just discovered you today, I'll prolly be up all night watching your channels, and leaving comments, I hope you don't mind! :D
Sorry it took a while. My best technique is to let them lead the way. Answer their questions and give them the resources they desire. Be interested in learning yourself, and be a great example for your child. i encourage you read the books of John Holt regarding this.
I completely agree with this idea of learning. John Holt has completely changed the way I think about education and it's amazing to find someone on youtube who expresses these notions that are so unheard of in the education world. But did you say you were a teacher? How do you find that? I am honestly curious how you manage to contain your opinions in school when you seem so against it all! Or did you mean "teacher" in a less traditional sense, like a homeschooler or alternative educator?
I largely teach music, but performing arts in general. There are a lot of different private organizations I have worked with, and I have generally had quite a bit of liberty in what I do. The only time I have worked with any sort of public education it has been a horrible experience.
They are quite interesting; my mother was the author of several books on autonomous parenting so I got to experience this kind of educational philosophy first hand. I really see potential in these ideas to change the way families and society operates. Anyway, great vid.
This is sooooo true. When I was in elementary school teachers would isolate my desk from the rest of the class simply because I was outspoken and in kindergarten they tried to bribe me with stickers. But the worst was when I fell and hit my head on some ice at recess and I asked my teacher if I could go home to see my parents. My teacher refused to let me go anywhere and made me write the spelling test and after told me to "walk it off." As it turned out I had a concussion.
I think the biggest thing outside of wanting a daycare would be the inability to actually communicate with your child. Sad... the most basic form of human being and the most basic form of interaction... and for most parents it's impossible.
4:00 "I've never seen education that isn't loaded with coercion..."
Check out the curriculum at the Van Damme Academy in Irvine, CA. They motivate their students. Motivation is the first precondition to education, and the public schools have no clue as to how to do it.
Van Damme graduates kids to college at the age of 15 - 16.
@MrCropper I think you're missing the point a little by saying that a good school is one that motivates. People are inherently motivated. Everyone has their own interests. So, there's no need to motivate anyone to learn.
@MrCropper I think you're missing the point a little by saying that a good school is one that motivates. People are inherently motivated. Everyone has their own interests. So, there's no need to motivate anyone to learn.
You represent your emotions so well, I can just see you using these videos to wake yourself up. You went from looking kinda sleepy to suddenly looking fully awake!
I agree children are born naturally good. Parents are definitely a big influence. I have 5 siblings who are adopted and the oldest one has made some choices that I don't think he would have made if he was raised in our home from a young age. I agree that public schools aren't for everyone. I think children should be sent to public school but as a parent if you feel public school isn't right for your child you should have the skills necessary to home teach your children.
5th post. Have you read Sheldon Richman's excellent book 'Separating School & State'? That's where I first heard of John Holt & the 'unschooling' movement. What do you think of the 'unschooling' movement?
'Separating School & State' is totally awesome. I pester all of my friends about how great it is.
It has an interesting section about Plato saying that the government should pass laws dictating that kids be forced to spend a certain number of hours ea. day away from their parents, instead in the care & instruction of gov. employees, who inculcate them on the need to be loyal to the State. And I thought, "Don't modern Western governments do this?" Which is exactly the point. :-(
2nd post. I half-agree w/ U about the common (and mostly fallacious) notion that children are born as little tyrants and savages, who must be manipulated by their parents (and, according to the Clintons, the entire Village) into becoming "responsible" (translation: Conformist) "Good Citizens."
I think the bourgeois, conservative aspects of our culture do falsely assume that badness is congenital & innate in children. to be continued...
3rd post. But I remember many 1st grade classmates who threw big tantrums whenever they realized that other people around them (whether it was me or the adults around them) didn't behave as their slaves. So I don't think child unruliness is innate, but when I see a kid at a supermarket screaming his head off at his parents, I hesitate before assuming that the parent is necessarily at fault. I think there are cases where kids scream at their parents to try to intimidate them into compliance.
4th post. I was surprised to find 'South Park's creators disagreeing w/ U.
I saw an interview w/ them in which they said that the show's theme is that Rousseau is wrong about kids, bcuz kids really are mini-sociopaths who must be manipulated into responsibility by 'Society.' Their tone was humorous, but I think they really meant it.
This from the same puerile guys who bragged about putting their butts in Danny DeVito's face - against his consent - and farting.
Children have not learned the social norms, but have the same emotions as other people. When you feel respected by someone you have a great desire to show respect in return. When you are shown disrespect and are forced to do something ... you desire to throw a tantrum, but you don't because you know that social graces dictate that it will hurt your cause. So, in a way ... yes, I will pretty much always blame the child's environment rather than the child.
Children are human. It is human to get emotional about things that one values. Left alone though, kids will value things without direction. This can lead to some bad emotions. I do however think this can be mostly prevented by good parenting... and it should be the parent's responsibility.
I am not sure I agree. I haven't thought about that in particular. However, I actually believe that most problems with children can be traced back to the parents being overly involved in improper ways. Parents try to make their children into what they want them to be, rather than the child being directed by its own desires.
Yes, I agree with this. My mother was recently telling me that she wished that she hadn't done that. Did you see JWoods' video on school? There were two good ones.
1- He told the teachers that his daughter was firing them for being so crappy
2- He told about how his daughters were surprised that he would write a paper against what the teacher said. Like having a different opinion was some really bad thing.
Actually no. I think history is a very good teacher. They shouldn't be told: "value capitalism." "value honesty". Instead, they should be given examples, in history or current every day life, so that they can induce the facts themselves.
You should never try to do a kid's thinking for him/her.
Well, spoken. I don't want the village getting a hold of our otherwise wonderful, self-thinking, children. Have you read the California Homeschool Guide? It has an awesome first couple of chapters explaining all about the homeschool genious types that turned out fantastic without govt. intervention. I do think it's a funny thing to point out that most of the time spent locked in a classroom is spent learning about what other kids accomplished outside of it.
W/ your interests in education & children, & your criticisms of gov. schools, you're sounding a bit like MrCropper, who's trying to start his own individualistic private school, based on the educational theories of Objectivist Lisa VanDamme (VanDamme has a nuanced view of Montessori, she's part pro-Montessori, but has some criticisms of Montessori that Ayn Rand didn't make).
Have your talked w/ MrCropper about this topic? He did Favorite your video on postmodern art, after all. ;-)
6th post. Aaron, may I ask if you have any views on the educational theories of Objectivist Lisa VanDamme? She started her own private school. She began w/ a Montessori-styled framework, but says she somewhat deviates from it now.
She wrote this fascinating article about how many conservative parents are getting sick of Dewey-ish 'socialization'-obsessed education, going back to old-fashioned 'classical education.' to be continued...
7th post. VanDamme says that old-fashioned classical education isn't so hot either, because it puts too much emphasis on memorizing stuff, w/o much emphasis on explaining to kids about *why* memorizing any of this stuff (like historical dates) is relevant to their own self-interest.
She says that education should be induction-based, rather than based on mere authority, memorization & 'socialization.' I'd like to know your take on VanDamme's theories. I wish she wrote more about them on her blog
I know a bit about Montessori education, and think it is a whole lot better of a situation ... however, i am somewhat anti-school. i believe learning should be done in the world, not in a class (for the most part). I believe in self-guided learning, and home-schooling and self-educating is the best solution. As I go on in my video series i will try to make my case for it.
I will try to address all of this in my next videos. However, I am against all schools, not legally ... but based off of how i believe people naturally learn. I believe people should learn in the world. By taking learning into a classroom for like 6 hours a day makes it totally disconnected from reality ... and I believe the result is that little learning is done.
Unfortunatly, schools that require accreditation also require government interference. (Private too) Case in point, CA passing laws requiring k-12th grade instruction on the basics for homosexuality (don't get me wrong, I am not hating but I thought they were there to learn math, reading, & science. What does a k grader need with the know-how about masturbation and sex hedero let alone homo!!(Example of what happens when "well-meaning" adults impose a private agenda on children. I homeschool.
Accreditation can be private too though (but government has a destructive monopoly on it).
For instance, now there are accreditation companies that declare safe sites and such. I used one of them for audible (dot) com. Check it out and look for the accreditation by private companies on there.
I agree.. it could work. Butm as you said... monopoly. They aren't going to let it go any time soon. These children make them more money playing dumb, cookie cutout rolls, sitting in desks locked up in a classroom than they ever will freelearning at home.
I do not think humans are "good" or "bad", that would be an arbitrary dogmatic hypothesis. Having been in a store before, I've seen a kid "act up" because the parent was antagonizing them. However, It can also be a junk-food addiction. In that dichotomy, its' a vicious cycle.
Being at the trade school, dorm staff do not acknowledge feedback about toxic leadership at least from the dorm staff I have had to be burdened with.
Swampymcswamp 1 month ago in playlist Aaron0883 education series.
Aaron; as a mom who home schooled herself thought high school and has 4 kids..my kids were in public schools for awhile and it was one nightmare after another...I now unschool 3 teen boys..and they are happy and smart..I agree with everything you just said..good for you for speaking out!
giddymoon 5 months ago
@aaron0883 you are a ridiculous man. you are lamenting a system whereby all kids are treated the same and we neglect their particular needs. and then you suggest a system where we treat all the kids the same. Sure rigid structure and discipline will cause some kids to rebel but others will rebel if we show no discipline. I know even as an adult that attempting to make decisions that are best for me without any outside guidance is foolish. How can we expect kids to know!
patokeeffe331 9 months ago
Aaron I have never had more confidence in thumbing up a video I couldn't agree with your well made points any more. I wish there were more people like you out there. Bravo.
CFrostyTheSnowman 1 year ago
I agree with the fact that children should be treated with respect, but what I don't find right, is that last part. When you said, if I kid thinks school is boring, don't send him to school. Then where else is the kid supposed to learn the basics, of reading and writing, math..blah blah, if the parents are fit to teach them themselves, or can't afford personal teachers?
unofficialdear 1 year ago
"R-E-S-P-E-C-T, what that word means to me..."
atlroxmysox98 1 year ago
almost every TV show is pointless ( except Animal Planet, Discovery Planet, etc.) for ex. South Park, Cartoon Network( TOTAL POINTLESS ), and this is what I mean by technology...in Colonial Times children were quite respectful...
MyNameWhatzitoya 1 year ago
First of all Im a child as of now..but I am not a bad,spoiled child your generation of adults(maybe even 1800+)have made coruption( swearing, fighting, violent games,mainly all video games,) my theory is swearing, like in his video, and mainly technology they think they are better than you.if I were president,you would have a better nation,but sadly it would be against the Declaration of Independance,I know my knowledge is quite lower than yours,but I'm on the same page as you.
MyNameWhatzitoya 1 year ago
Very interesting ideas. Let the open and fresh ideas flow man.
lexrex3 2 years ago
Not fully true. I would say you don't learn shit as well as you should in a practically way with some certain things depending on how it's corrilated at the rate you should be learned them. But you have a valid point and I respect it regardless. (Only policticans and feds due I not agree with your neither of the two)
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
Not just parent people who don't understand them in general. I might of got a bit of that in high school. I think I had a teacher who might have rounded by average up one 6 week semester because they felt bad for me. I think?
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
School and churches can interfer at time with you moral and pyshical beliefs alot in the right circumstances.
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
That is so true it's bad enforced from friends, communities parents, and bad fincial status (with a smig from TV and comics and movies on ultra rare occasions) (90 to 98 of the time it relates to one of those first four or something similar)
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
If you mean like pyushically mental and pyscollical and sexually. We've been violated that since the churchs were even built.
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
I will subsribe eventuall I have to get all the stuff from the people
I have alrteady sucribe to done. I might be able to add you I maye May. Kastronmius and the other major LPS tend to over update a bit so I might be about a month before I can put you on. But I love your videos the school systems is flawed majorly to some extent it always has been. The other systems are messed up but are not focused on as much.
jarrettsuhr 2 years ago
Respect, yes. However, we humans have also bad emotions, bad thoughts and bad impulses, so that we make wrong decisions and wrong moves in our lifes. In my christian view, everyone is born with both God and the devil inside, and the devil wants nothing but to have bad influence on humans, from both inside and outside. Thus children need to learn what is right and wrong in order to control themselves, and they need to be punished when they do something bad in spite of knowing that it is bad.
mikilavush 2 years ago
Have you looked at Lloyd Demause' institute for psychohistory?
If you check out his site, you may see a model for the phenomena that you're commenting on here.
Jcolinsol 2 years ago
If you just let kids do whatever they want and you do whatever they want then they usually want shit. And a kid in supermarket might start crying for getting cheese burger with fries or even in Mcdonalds everyday. But you cant buy them that... so instead you have to tell them off. And once you do that they yell and scream... SO that doesnt make you a bad parent.
I m not a parent by the way lol
FarhadTv 2 years ago
This is the same justification most parents use. They make the parent child relationship a fight, instead of respecting.
It makes no sense that children evolved to want to piss everyone off, and do the most irresponsible things. This is why I find this idea super rooted in religion .. However, most people believe it because they don't want to accept that their own parents were shitty.
aaron0883 2 years ago 3
No, they dont do things to piss everyone off. They just dont know what to do at all. They r kids for God sake, you cant treat a kid like an adult simply because they are not able enough to think like an adult.
The biggest example is yourself. You werent thinking like this when you were 5 or 6 or maybe even before you went to University. I am not saying you were stupid, but you definitely didnt know stuff as much as you do now.
So I think kids and even some adults still dont know how to behave.
FarhadTv 2 years ago
I am not saying you should force them or beat them, but you simply cant ignore and do what they want to do. No1 can be so perfect to bear a child so well that by the age of 1 they do everything and know everything. You are simply not living in a real world. The things that you are saying are just a dream... there will definitely be alot of less able kids to think for themselves and you have to guide them for the right direction. You have to tell them off for those things which are harmful...
FarhadTv 2 years ago
Do you also believe that is makes no sense that children are egocentric and innately selfish?
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid It depends what you mean by that. In some terms everyone is egocentric and innately selfish. Often, when people say those terms they mean, lacking empathy and innately combative with other humans to get their desires met. If that is what you mean, than I would say that it doesn't follow.
aaron0883 9 months ago
@aaron0883 It's just that you're right in saying that 'it makes no sense that children evolved to want to piss everyone off', but that doesn't mean they are born perfect in wisdom and thoughtfulness of others, and with a perfect knowledge of how humans interact and live in the world. If you love a child you will discipline them when they do wrong. I feel sorry for children with no discipline at home. As a teacher I deal with plenty and they are the ones who go through life as battlers.
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid As a teacher I feel sorry for children who are disciplined at home. If you want to know why children lack empathy and respect for others ... just look so far as what we teach them. Obedience, discipline, and crap like that are concepts of incredible lack of empathy and respect for a child. Some might fear abuse and neglect enough to comply with an 'authority'. However, I don't think it is a healthy way for a person to live.
aaron0883 9 months ago
@aaron0883 Clearly children aren't born with a capacity for empathy, let alone a capacity for nearly anything. At what point in time do you suggest a human can truly learn to empathise as opposed to learning correct and incorrect behaviours through incentives and discipline?
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid And how do you teach a child who continually wants to hurt people that it's wrong? It would be great if there was a respect switch that you could just flick and suddenly they understand, but that tends not to always work, particularly dealing with children with intellectual and emotional disabilities (which is not always the product of upbringing). BTW I think your comments about respecting children are fantastic, but just a bit naive in the depth which you take them.
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid Particularly if you believe it is impossible to lovingly discipline a child. This is something I do everyday!
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid sure ... and I like to lovingly rape random women from time to time
aaron0883 9 months ago
@aaron0883 Great analogy!! That's exactly the same...well done!
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid darn ... your response sounds a little sarcastic. I guess throwing lovingly in front of horrible abuse doesn't negate the abuse. However, I guess some people feel empowered by the abuse they inflict since it is supported by the status quo ... so with those forms we can throw lovingly in front of horrible abuse and it seems more justified. I will remember that for future reference. thanks.
aaron0883 9 months ago
@aaron0883 Obviously you and I have a very different understanding of discipline. My discipline doesn't involve a hint of abuse, I have never laid a finger on a child, nor would I verbally abuse them. My discipline however, teaches that there are consequences for actions, so that people can't just 'rape' and think that it is fine.
phidvid 9 months ago
@phidvid There are studies that show that children are born with a capacity for empathy. I encourage you to read some books by Alfie Cohn ... specifically a book titled 'Punished By Rewards'. I don't think there is the desire or ability to discuss pop behaviorism adequately in the comment section of a video.
aaron0883 9 months ago
@aaron0883 There are studies that say just about anything. I could quote you hundreds of studies that oppose your views, but I don't think the point is to quote studies. I can see this could be an endless debate between two opposing views, there's no way your opinion is going to change, neither is mine, hopefully people can see that there are differing beliefs and not everything you say is 'fact'.
phidvid 9 months ago
Great video! 5 stars! I have 3 grandchildren (by marriage), the oldest is 15. I have never yelled at any of them and they have more respect for me that the other adults in their lives. I'm always telling others that if they want respect, give respect. Kids are people too, only with fewer experiences. Peace! :-)
jerami101 2 years ago
i know that kids can be jerks by nature. i know....i was one. i was a wild child and always whined and complained just cause. my parents were never jerks to me and they arent jerks in general. so you are half right on this
manicmetropolis 2 years ago
Im a kid, i need school retard, if you think adults and kids should be trated the same then your retarded
satbir15 2 years ago
The ultimate abuse is forcing a child to go to school when they are sick.
dude58677 2 years ago
i can't even believe i found someone who thinks the same as me O.o
Mammonthdesu 2 years ago
STOP BRAINWASHING THE KIDS AT SCHOOL
ruotze 2 years ago 7
As a kid, I learned through failure. So are you saying kids should not be in an environment where they can fail sometimes? (Just curious)
foxfairness 2 years ago
What would you say about the kids who whine because they dont get a toy or a snack they want when the parent cant afford it? That isnt neglect I beleive.
foxfairness 3 years ago
They way society raises children today is totally messed up. Bribary and minipulation are not the way to go becuase the kids start to turn bad. I went to public schoo but back in my day (wow can't believe I am saying that) teaching was so much different. Today kids get rewarded with stickers all the time, even for no reason. I never got a stickers and rewards in school. I had to work my hardest.
jcastellano822 3 years ago
I have 2 daughters and started off parenting like my parents and most people. One day after yet more fighting, I just hit a wall and just refused to believe it had to be 'this way'. I went through similar readings from John Holt to Haime Ginnott to Naomi Aldort and even back to Herman Hesse. They all pointed to one simple thing: treat children with respect.
Now 3 years later, I have a wonderful relationship with my 2 girls and have not seen a tantrum from the youngest (now 4).
vonmises1 3 years ago
That's awesome!
NoCryingNowYes 2 years ago
People who meet that type of thing at work don't leave actually, because they're trained to accept it in school. That's what schools are for.
bendymind 3 years ago
I love your hair.
asianbee21 3 years ago
I agree with everything you have to say here, but here is my question... Be it a a stupid one maybe, but here it is... What is your idea of an effective way to teach children that isn't "our" idea of bad? I understand the respect thing, but what are some techniques, or ideas you have? I just discovered you today, I'll prolly be up all night watching your channels, and leaving comments, I hope you don't mind! :D
mathewshearer 3 years ago
Sorry it took a while. My best technique is to let them lead the way. Answer their questions and give them the resources they desire. Be interested in learning yourself, and be a great example for your child. i encourage you read the books of John Holt regarding this.
aaron0883 3 years ago
I completely agree with this idea of learning. John Holt has completely changed the way I think about education and it's amazing to find someone on youtube who expresses these notions that are so unheard of in the education world. But did you say you were a teacher? How do you find that? I am honestly curious how you manage to contain your opinions in school when you seem so against it all! Or did you mean "teacher" in a less traditional sense, like a homeschooler or alternative educator?
saywhat3 2 years ago
I largely teach music, but performing arts in general. There are a lot of different private organizations I have worked with, and I have generally had quite a bit of liberty in what I do. The only time I have worked with any sort of public education it has been a horrible experience.
aaron0883 2 years ago
Have you heard of the autonomous parenting and taking children seriously movements?
RowanFortuneWood 3 years ago 2
I have not particularly. i just looked them up, and they seem like ideas that I am in full agreement with.
aaron0883 3 years ago
They are quite interesting; my mother was the author of several books on autonomous parenting so I got to experience this kind of educational philosophy first hand. I really see potential in these ideas to change the way families and society operates. Anyway, great vid.
RowanFortuneWood 3 years ago 2
It feels so good to finally hear somebody say what you did in this video!
akinobjectivist 3 years ago
I just come from watching #7, and this one is even better. Absolutely amazing.
NoCryingNowYes 3 years ago 2
This is sooooo true. When I was in elementary school teachers would isolate my desk from the rest of the class simply because I was outspoken and in kindergarten they tried to bribe me with stickers. But the worst was when I fell and hit my head on some ice at recess and I asked my teacher if I could go home to see my parents. My teacher refused to let me go anywhere and made me write the spelling test and after told me to "walk it off." As it turned out I had a concussion.
professorfoxtrot 3 years ago 3
I think the biggest thing outside of wanting a daycare would be the inability to actually communicate with your child. Sad... the most basic form of human being and the most basic form of interaction... and for most parents it's impossible.
auroranrose 3 years ago
Good vid.
qtronman 3 years ago
teach teach teach
TheRealAix 3 years ago
4:00 "I've never seen education that isn't loaded with coercion..."
Check out the curriculum at the Van Damme Academy in Irvine, CA. They motivate their students. Motivation is the first precondition to education, and the public schools have no clue as to how to do it.
Van Damme graduates kids to college at the age of 15 - 16.
MrCropper 3 years ago 3
I second Mr. Cropper's suggestion. :-)
legendre007 3 years ago
@MrCropper I think you're missing the point a little by saying that a good school is one that motivates. People are inherently motivated. Everyone has their own interests. So, there's no need to motivate anyone to learn.
textilecheckered 1 year ago
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@MrCropper I think you're missing the point a little by saying that a good school is one that motivates. People are inherently motivated. Everyone has their own interests. So, there's no need to motivate anyone to learn.
textilecheckered 1 year ago
You represent your emotions so well, I can just see you using these videos to wake yourself up. You went from looking kinda sleepy to suddenly looking fully awake!
Seems like you know your passion well.
horvay 3 years ago 3
I agree children are born naturally good. Parents are definitely a big influence. I have 5 siblings who are adopted and the oldest one has made some choices that I don't think he would have made if he was raised in our home from a young age. I agree that public schools aren't for everyone. I think children should be sent to public school but as a parent if you feel public school isn't right for your child you should have the skills necessary to home teach your children.
khunny502 3 years ago
5th post. Have you read Sheldon Richman's excellent book 'Separating School & State'? That's where I first heard of John Holt & the 'unschooling' movement. What do you think of the 'unschooling' movement?
legendre007 3 years ago
I have not read that book, but I have read most of Holts, and I am 100% pro unschooling.
aaron0883 3 years ago
'Separating School & State' is totally awesome. I pester all of my friends about how great it is.
It has an interesting section about Plato saying that the government should pass laws dictating that kids be forced to spend a certain number of hours ea. day away from their parents, instead in the care & instruction of gov. employees, who inculcate them on the need to be loyal to the State. And I thought, "Don't modern Western governments do this?" Which is exactly the point. :-(
legendre007 3 years ago
2nd post. I half-agree w/ U about the common (and mostly fallacious) notion that children are born as little tyrants and savages, who must be manipulated by their parents (and, according to the Clintons, the entire Village) into becoming "responsible" (translation: Conformist) "Good Citizens."
I think the bourgeois, conservative aspects of our culture do falsely assume that badness is congenital & innate in children. to be continued...
legendre007 3 years ago
3rd post. But I remember many 1st grade classmates who threw big tantrums whenever they realized that other people around them (whether it was me or the adults around them) didn't behave as their slaves. So I don't think child unruliness is innate, but when I see a kid at a supermarket screaming his head off at his parents, I hesitate before assuming that the parent is necessarily at fault. I think there are cases where kids scream at their parents to try to intimidate them into compliance.
legendre007 3 years ago
4th post. I was surprised to find 'South Park's creators disagreeing w/ U.
I saw an interview w/ them in which they said that the show's theme is that Rousseau is wrong about kids, bcuz kids really are mini-sociopaths who must be manipulated into responsibility by 'Society.' Their tone was humorous, but I think they really meant it.
This from the same puerile guys who bragged about putting their butts in Danny DeVito's face - against his consent - and farting.
legendre007 3 years ago
Children have not learned the social norms, but have the same emotions as other people. When you feel respected by someone you have a great desire to show respect in return. When you are shown disrespect and are forced to do something ... you desire to throw a tantrum, but you don't because you know that social graces dictate that it will hurt your cause. So, in a way ... yes, I will pretty much always blame the child's environment rather than the child.
aaron0883 3 years ago
Children are human. It is human to get emotional about things that one values. Left alone though, kids will value things without direction. This can lead to some bad emotions. I do however think this can be mostly prevented by good parenting... and it should be the parent's responsibility.
horvay 3 years ago
I am not sure I agree. I haven't thought about that in particular. However, I actually believe that most problems with children can be traced back to the parents being overly involved in improper ways. Parents try to make their children into what they want them to be, rather than the child being directed by its own desires.
aaron0883 3 years ago
Yes, I agree with this. My mother was recently telling me that she wished that she hadn't done that. Did you see JWoods' video on school? There were two good ones.
1- He told the teachers that his daughter was firing them for being so crappy
2- He told about how his daughters were surprised that he would write a paper against what the teacher said. Like having a different opinion was some really bad thing.
Very sad.
horvay 3 years ago
Kids will "value things without direction"? I'm not sure how to take that. Are you saying kids should be told how to value and what to value?
3rdWorldCrusader 3 years ago
Actually no. I think history is a very good teacher. They shouldn't be told: "value capitalism." "value honesty". Instead, they should be given examples, in history or current every day life, so that they can induce the facts themselves.
You should never try to do a kid's thinking for him/her.
horvay 3 years ago 3
Well, spoken. I don't want the village getting a hold of our otherwise wonderful, self-thinking, children. Have you read the California Homeschool Guide? It has an awesome first couple of chapters explaining all about the homeschool genious types that turned out fantastic without govt. intervention. I do think it's a funny thing to point out that most of the time spent locked in a classroom is spent learning about what other kids accomplished outside of it.
auroranrose 3 years ago
W/ your interests in education & children, & your criticisms of gov. schools, you're sounding a bit like MrCropper, who's trying to start his own individualistic private school, based on the educational theories of Objectivist Lisa VanDamme (VanDamme has a nuanced view of Montessori, she's part pro-Montessori, but has some criticisms of Montessori that Ayn Rand didn't make).
Have your talked w/ MrCropper about this topic? He did Favorite your video on postmodern art, after all. ;-)
legendre007 3 years ago
6th post. Aaron, may I ask if you have any views on the educational theories of Objectivist Lisa VanDamme? She started her own private school. She began w/ a Montessori-styled framework, but says she somewhat deviates from it now.
She wrote this fascinating article about how many conservative parents are getting sick of Dewey-ish 'socialization'-obsessed education, going back to old-fashioned 'classical education.' to be continued...
legendre007 3 years ago
7th post. VanDamme says that old-fashioned classical education isn't so hot either, because it puts too much emphasis on memorizing stuff, w/o much emphasis on explaining to kids about *why* memorizing any of this stuff (like historical dates) is relevant to their own self-interest.
She says that education should be induction-based, rather than based on mere authority, memorization & 'socialization.' I'd like to know your take on VanDamme's theories. I wish she wrote more about them on her blog
legendre007 3 years ago
I know a bit about Montessori education, and think it is a whole lot better of a situation ... however, i am somewhat anti-school. i believe learning should be done in the world, not in a class (for the most part). I believe in self-guided learning, and home-schooling and self-educating is the best solution. As I go on in my video series i will try to make my case for it.
aaron0883 3 years ago
So would you have a problem if all schools were private? No regulations what-so-ever?
What if they were small?
Also, what do you think about tutoring then?
horvay 3 years ago 2
I will try to address all of this in my next videos. However, I am against all schools, not legally ... but based off of how i believe people naturally learn. I believe people should learn in the world. By taking learning into a classroom for like 6 hours a day makes it totally disconnected from reality ... and I believe the result is that little learning is done.
aaron0883 3 years ago
Unfortunatly, schools that require accreditation also require government interference. (Private too) Case in point, CA passing laws requiring k-12th grade instruction on the basics for homosexuality (don't get me wrong, I am not hating but I thought they were there to learn math, reading, & science. What does a k grader need with the know-how about masturbation and sex hedero let alone homo!!(Example of what happens when "well-meaning" adults impose a private agenda on children. I homeschool.
auroranrose 3 years ago
Accreditation can be private too though (but government has a destructive monopoly on it).
For instance, now there are accreditation companies that declare safe sites and such. I used one of them for audible (dot) com. Check it out and look for the accreditation by private companies on there.
It could work the same way in schools.
horvay 3 years ago
I agree.. it could work. Butm as you said... monopoly. They aren't going to let it go any time soon. These children make them more money playing dumb, cookie cutout rolls, sitting in desks locked up in a classroom than they ever will freelearning at home.
auroranrose 3 years ago
Not to mention, you still have to pay for public schools! Crappy.
horvay 3 years ago
great stuff, i concurr.
leitermann 3 years ago
this is 100% true. if you ever see kids acting like brats LOOK AT THE PARENTS!
monkeytrouble303 3 years ago