Truly awesome fight. Does anyone know if they used doubles for this, or if Roth and Neeson were trained to be that good? Either way, the choreography is superb, they actually do look like they are trying to kill each other, and even the noise of the blades clashing and scraping sounds angry compared to the musical "ting" you hear in other films. The only other sword fight I've seen where you feel the characters' hatred and tiredness like this is the Christopher Lee climax of The Four Musketeers.
This is the last time in which Tim Roth was legitimately awesome, before he repeated himself with silly vocal tics and behavioural mannerisms. The simplicity and power of his acting choices in this scene (including his almost-smile as he puts his sword to McGregor's neck) show an actor with legitimate range and precision. His recent work does not compare to this subtle, well-drawn and entertaining performance.
@agmor1 Roth is obviously a great actor. Here's where you might disagree...direction, story, and script is everything. Many great actors need a great director to lead them. Look at Liam Neeson here, compared to him in SW Episode One. The story and character development has a huge impact on the actor's role. So, what I'm saying is that Tim Roth is a gifted actor....only if.
@DickLodge68 Certain actors, though, can transcend poor material, such as Meryl Streep, Roger Allam, Bruce McGill and Gary Oldman. Roth can't, or at least has not in poor projects. Lots of actors have appeared in bad films, but Roth is also bad in them. For instance, I thought that Neeson actually did well in Menace: he managed to create a warm, believable character, whilst most of the other actors came across as stiff and uncomfortable with the material.
@agmor1 We simply disagree then. If you think Neeson was a warm, believable character in Episode One, I'd say you're off your rocker. That is a classic example how some actors need a good story and direction, neither of which the Phantom Menace had. That movie was an embarrassment! Admittedly, I haven't seen all Tim Roth movies, but I find him to be a very capable actor and in Rob Roy, he was brilliant.
in real life Rob Roy's arm were unusually long giving him a great advantage,1 man ''cut'' him he bought him a drink,this ''duel'' never happened. BUT a Great Highland basket hilted sword being made of Toledo steel could whack the end off a brown bess musket in a charge. Highlanders were awesome in a battle charge and highly feared.
love this fight, great mix of legit and movie swordsmanship. lot of spanish influence in Cunnighams angles and techniques, and of course you got the power of the Claymore and MacGregors's size. Both attackers move quite well, but i was super impressed with Roth, wonder if he has a background in the art?
Well to start, a well maintained sword is regularly oiled, also to hold onto the blade tightly enough to withstand the guy pulling (in the way he was holding it) he would probably end up severing tendons which you kind of need to be able to grasp things.
@ijustwanttowatchmovs The blade might have been sharp enough to bite into the bones of Rob's hand and get stuck, though. I think there are a lot of possibilities that make this vaguely plausible, but in the end the symbolism is more important than how realistic it is. And, let's be fair, this movie overall deserves high marks for realism and historical accuracy in costume, idiom, social structure, technology, etc.
@SchwarzerFrost1989 That Rob wins the fight through raw determination, which he possesses because he's fighting for more meaningful things. That Cunningham has him on the ropes via finesse, deception, and subtlety, and is attempting to humiliate him and defeat him slowly, also is symbolic of basically everything that Cunningham is and has done already in the film. The way the fight plays out represents who both of them really are as characters, symbolically.
The true cutting power of the Scottish basket hilted broad sword is seen here, I've read some accounts of the 78th Fraser's Highlanders at Quebec in 1759 that mentioned the same brutal results shown here.
@RockandRoller2009 That show that compares different style, i think its " ultimate warrior" or such, featured either this or the Claymoor, it man it cut through a pig like butter.
@itsjustnopinionok Only in the movies. In real life, willpower is nigh useless without skill. I guess you could say skill will kill will. (hur dur derp)
@isamtator Wow, what a faggot mind you have, I think.you were trying to sound cool. You really missed your mark, your comment was so gay,its faggot people like you that ruin youtube.
Lets his guard down? He grabs the other man's blade and hacks him down and he's not just a farmer but a Highlander. He wields a heavier blade and prevents killing shots. Cunnigham was overconfident but as you progress he becomes less so
What's messed up is that Roth had Neeson's character completely outmatched skill-wise, and was clearly the better fencer....yet Neeson won by using the skills of the actual battlefield. That's the difference between someone who learns swordplay and someone who lives their lives by the sword.
@darthroden not really "of the actual battlefiel"..because on the battlefield you dont wait to be given the nod to waste someone..you just do it already. English knights of old would have hacked him in half immediately.
@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident.
All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident.
All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident. All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
@Otacon144 If "only ever gloat over a dead body" isn't an old saying, start saying it so that it can be in a century, because you are absolutely right.
@Otacon144 - I agree with you, but the small cuts also serve another purpose : blood loss. Cunningham also realizes that MacGregor' s heavier sword takes a lot more energy to swing around for an extended period of time..tiring him out was part of his strategy.
Correct me if I am wrong: quaterback if I remeber is in football (not soccer). But in a duel? I also saw that Rob Roy was gragging his sword on the floor. Did he do this 4 a specific reason? I want 2 know.
@djmpvae 'Quarter' in a duel is mercy wherein an opponent admits defeat and their life is spared. Rob was dragging his sword towards the end out a combination of exhaustion, pain and the fact that part of the musculature of his sword arm had been cut (Roth's second successful hit).
This has to be one of if not the greatest sword fight of any movie ever made. Great Session By Liam and and Tim.Doubt it will be equalled thanks for posting
@cpnstav Tim has done another memorable sabre duel, in a version of the 3 Musketeers, where he played Rochefort, tho the way his and D'Artagnan's skills are portrayed in there are too over the top, kinda like a couple of wire-fu ninjas
I doubt that Cunningham would have glanced over to seek approval when he had Rob Roy at his mercy like that. Also, how did Roy manage to hold the end of the foyle's blade without Cunningham simply slicing through his fingers?
@fluro2829 the rapier depends more on speed to slice than a cutting edge. And have you ever tried to get slice through something that was gripping your knife strongly
@shaloneithne As far as I'm aware, the sword that Cunningham is using has a double edged blade with a point at the end. If you were to grab hold of it like Rob Roy does, then your grasp would be very feeble because of the sharpness of the blade cutting into the skin and so one could just tug the sword through the opponents fingers without much effort.
@fluro2829 Do you have much experience with grabbing blades? It's easier to do than you think. All you need is a willingness to bleed like Robert did and the blade will not move... especially if your opponent is small and physically weaker, as is demonstrated earlier in the film Cunningham's principal skill is speed and cunning, and if you take one of those out of the picture You defeat him.
@shaloneithne No, I have never grabbed hold of a razor sharp blade wilfully like Rob Roy does, although I doubt most people ever have. I don't believe that you are taking into account just how sharp a foil's blade actually is. It's blade will cut through flesh like butter, so it's apparent that to clench a razor sharp edge with a vigorous determination is not going to alter the properties of a swords blade. Unless this ending happened in reality, then I find it difficult to believe.
@fluro2829 I have. It was a life or death thing so i kinda thought the potential loss of my hand would be better than the alternative. it wasn't a rapier though. It was a long fillet knife. very sharp, very thin. caught hold and needed stitches on my fingers but it worked. Rapier's cut through flesh like butter AT speed. Not standing still. Don't know if it was reality. history basically says there was a ruckus, Rob Roy fought a duel with a man named cunningham, Cunningham did not survive.
@shaloneithne When you say 'caught hold', do you mean the knife was being wielded and you caught it in mid flight? If that was so, then I can believe that as it would appear as though you were fighting off an attacker and catching the blade aided you in fending your assailant off - that's one thing. Rob Roy deliberately clenches the blade hard while Cunningham deliberatley pulls it causing a slicing action, which against human flesh is an unstoppable force.
Another man falls prey to the "talking villain" syndrome. Cunningham was clearly the better swordsman and in better cardiovascular shape. He had won the encounter but had to talk about it. Never toy with a man with a sword!
@leekellerking Cunningham did not play for honour, it was a game and he required permission to kill. The other guy was more direct possibly his only advantage
@ricochetVendetta plus, if you saw the rest of the movie, or knew the history, men in a certain walk of life were dependent on indulgent family members and their rules for a living. So Every time they fought they would look over to find out whether the fight was just to humiliate or to actually kill the opponent before proceeding.
Yeah I think when he takes the brooch it's because of his personal connection to Cunningham's mother, and since Cunningham did not know his real father it can be guessed that Montrose really was. There's a lot of subtle plot devices in this film, great writing all around, one of my favorite films.
@kamilfreeman I'm sorry to contradict you if you are a certified master of swordsmanship and physics, but bleeding is more or less expected when you squeeze a sharp object as hard you can.
Ohhh... I can just feel Rob Roy's fatigue and pain @ 4:12
Liam is not built for stamina. Roth is more suited to a point-&-block style requiring stamina. I assumed that Liam's character is not well practiced with a thin lighter sword of the kind Roth is clearly adept with. Roth's moves were to make Liam REACT with wide circular arm movements. Clearly Roth would have won any time they would duel.
And guys... YES. Trapping Roth's sword is fair. None of the short list of rules were broken.
The best part about this scene is how it doesn't try to be "aesthetically pleasing" and have it's actors "swordfight" by just hitting each other swords over and over to look cool. When you're swordfighting you're not trying to look PRETTY: you're trying to KILL a motherfucker, and you aim for HIM, NOT his sword.
Plus that nasty trick Neesan did at the end: he KNEW he couldn't beat the guy in a straight fight (he never even touched him earlier), so he HAD to trap his sword.
Actually, in real life I could see Liam Neeson as having a significant advantage over Tim Roth.
Roth is a short, skinny guy. Neeson isn't heavily muscled, but he's taller, and his broadsword here is MEANT to be used by taller people to they can cleave using leverage for killing strokes. Also, that hand trick works and was used in several famous historical duels, though the guy who did it tended to loose the hand afterwords.
It's not TECHNICALLY against dueling rules, but it's not fair.
Rob Roy would have been sliced diced and killed in seconds - Tim Roth, who was trained for this scene by a master swordsman admitted that right in an interview that you can find online.
The sword that he used was clearly a period rapier and in the hands of a trained swordsman would have dispatched Roy in about 2 seconds flat.
I think that Roth's character is, for that he's a horrible cunt of a human being, is supposed to be a vastly better fighter, aside from being more appropriately armed.
The fight was designed to look extremely uneven. Makes the hero look more dramatic when he succeeds.
@TheBType: I agree with you. Apart from that, had Cunningham not stopped to gloat, he could easily have killed Rob Roy. He was the better fighter, but he underestimated his opponent and got killed as a result. It can happen, I think.
In movies the hero generally gets a chance to recover from mistakes, but in a real fight if you slip up like that you're probably a corpse a second later.
@TheBType It looked like Cunningham was just toying with Rob Roy, and knew he could kill him at any time, but being supremely confident he stopped to gloat and was totally blindsided. Of course it's a classic plot device, but like you said it probably happened a lot in real life as well. Overconfidence has been the downfall of too many historical figures to count. Btw, I forget the significance of the brooch the lord took off of Cunningham's body...?
Truly awesome fight. Does anyone know if they used doubles for this, or if Roth and Neeson were trained to be that good? Either way, the choreography is superb, they actually do look like they are trying to kill each other, and even the noise of the blades clashing and scraping sounds angry compared to the musical "ting" you hear in other films. The only other sword fight I've seen where you feel the characters' hatred and tiredness like this is the Christopher Lee climax of The Four Musketeers.
mzytryck 5 days ago
Rob Roy came out the same year as Braveheart, which got all the attention. I much prefer Rob Roy as a movie.
Bfdidc 5 days ago
This is the last time in which Tim Roth was legitimately awesome, before he repeated himself with silly vocal tics and behavioural mannerisms. The simplicity and power of his acting choices in this scene (including his almost-smile as he puts his sword to McGregor's neck) show an actor with legitimate range and precision. His recent work does not compare to this subtle, well-drawn and entertaining performance.
agmor1 1 week ago
@agmor1 Roth is obviously a great actor. Here's where you might disagree...direction, story, and script is everything. Many great actors need a great director to lead them. Look at Liam Neeson here, compared to him in SW Episode One. The story and character development has a huge impact on the actor's role. So, what I'm saying is that Tim Roth is a gifted actor....only if.
DickLodge68 6 days ago
@DickLodge68 Certain actors, though, can transcend poor material, such as Meryl Streep, Roger Allam, Bruce McGill and Gary Oldman. Roth can't, or at least has not in poor projects. Lots of actors have appeared in bad films, but Roth is also bad in them. For instance, I thought that Neeson actually did well in Menace: he managed to create a warm, believable character, whilst most of the other actors came across as stiff and uncomfortable with the material.
agmor1 5 days ago
@agmor1 We simply disagree then. If you think Neeson was a warm, believable character in Episode One, I'd say you're off your rocker. That is a classic example how some actors need a good story and direction, neither of which the Phantom Menace had. That movie was an embarrassment! Admittedly, I haven't seen all Tim Roth movies, but I find him to be a very capable actor and in Rob Roy, he was brilliant.
DickLodge68 5 days ago
What a bitch move
sparkymmilarky 1 week ago
in real life Rob Roy's arm were unusually long giving him a great advantage,1 man ''cut'' him he bought him a drink,this ''duel'' never happened. BUT a Great Highland basket hilted sword being made of Toledo steel could whack the end off a brown bess musket in a charge. Highlanders were awesome in a battle charge and highly feared.
fullstrutn 2 weeks ago
love this fight, great mix of legit and movie swordsmanship. lot of spanish influence in Cunnighams angles and techniques, and of course you got the power of the Claymore and MacGregors's size. Both attackers move quite well, but i was super impressed with Roth, wonder if he has a background in the art?
MrByaeger 2 weeks ago
@MrByaeger oops, not a Claymore, to much Highlander i guess..
MrByaeger 2 weeks ago
Well to start, a well maintained sword is regularly oiled, also to hold onto the blade tightly enough to withstand the guy pulling (in the way he was holding it) he would probably end up severing tendons which you kind of need to be able to grasp things.
ijustwanttowatchmovs 2 weeks ago
@ijustwanttowatchmovs The blade might have been sharp enough to bite into the bones of Rob's hand and get stuck, though. I think there are a lot of possibilities that make this vaguely plausible, but in the end the symbolism is more important than how realistic it is. And, let's be fair, this movie overall deserves high marks for realism and historical accuracy in costume, idiom, social structure, technology, etc.
TreasonousBastard 1 week ago
@TreasonousBastard Was is the symbolism here?
SchwarzerFrost1989 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
@SchwarzerFrost1989 That Rob wins the fight through raw determination, which he possesses because he's fighting for more meaningful things. That Cunningham has him on the ropes via finesse, deception, and subtlety, and is attempting to humiliate him and defeat him slowly, also is symbolic of basically everything that Cunningham is and has done already in the film. The way the fight plays out represents who both of them really are as characters, symbolically.
TreasonousBastard 1 week ago
I doubt that MacGregor could hold onto that sword long enough to grab his weapon and strike.
ijustwanttowatchmovs 3 weeks ago
@ijustwanttowatchmovs why?
wolfdragga 2 weeks ago
The true cutting power of the Scottish basket hilted broad sword is seen here, I've read some accounts of the 78th Fraser's Highlanders at Quebec in 1759 that mentioned the same brutal results shown here.
RockandRoller2009 1 month ago
@RockandRoller2009 That show that compares different style, i think its " ultimate warrior" or such, featured either this or the Claymoor, it man it cut through a pig like butter.
MrByaeger 2 weeks ago
Qui-gon kills Abomination!!!
archaon40k 1 month ago 3
At the end the desire to live over comes any skill.
itsjustnopinionok 1 month ago
@itsjustnopinionok Only in the movies. In real life, willpower is nigh useless without skill. I guess you could say skill will kill will. (hur dur derp)
melosebrainuhoh 3 weeks ago
The whole time I was Yelling "FORSE PUSH HIM INTO THE FUCKING WALL!!!
Jeremiah503 1 month ago
You haven't beaten me, you've sacrificed sure footing for a killing stroke.
kalteich 1 month ago 5
Nvm that was wrong! Lol wrong person.... :P
ablackkid1 1 month ago
Got a Jedi Master vs. Some Dancing fag.?
ablackkid1 1 month ago
Does this remind you of Gladiator?
coolocelot 1 month ago
Referee: There will be no backstabbing, you will not throw your blades.
Rob Roy: Can I use my lightsaber?
NCWC2 1 month ago in playlist Great Battles 2
This is Qui-Gon Jinn before he was found by the Jedi.
SchwarzerFrost1989 1 month ago 2
Liam kicks ass!
anikid0392 1 month ago
@isamtator Wow, what a faggot mind you have, I think.you were trying to sound cool. You really missed your mark, your comment was so gay,its faggot people like you that ruin youtube.
HeroSavage 1 month ago
Gui-Gon gives in to the dark side!
ltflak 1 month ago
I love the sound of sliced Englishman in the morning. Sounds like...victory.
skinny578 2 months ago 6
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isamtator 2 months ago
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isamtator 2 months ago
The moment when Tim Roth pulls off his powdered wig, and suddenly looks 1000% more deadly and evil, that's one of the greatest moments on film.
bridgecross 2 months ago 2
Cunningham : Rob, why are you nervous?
Rob : What? I'm not nervous!
Cunningham : You're lying...
KiWiDingDong 2 months ago
Someone needs to edit in light sabers
berner 3 months ago 5
I would have beheaded him at 5:54
MrCalendarboy 3 months ago
i just LOVED 2 C HIM GET SPLIT IN 2
MrCalendarboy 3 months ago
Where was the fight scene filmed?
ceredigio 3 months ago
Lets his guard down? He grabs the other man's blade and hacks him down and he's not just a farmer but a Highlander. He wields a heavier blade and prevents killing shots. Cunnigham was overconfident but as you progress he becomes less so
Zyrrk 3 months ago
i swear i saw an ending where the baby was walking out of the house and rob roy picks her up? anyone seen that ending?
cherryberryblossom 3 months ago
I have to say even thought i cheer for Rob i kinda always liked Cunningham i just liked his style the man fuckt up everything in his way.
WPEUROPEANPOWER 3 months ago
Cut that Sassanach up!
verfugbarkite 3 months ago
rob roy just fucked you up dawg..
raptorarchangel 4 months ago
I hate how he killed him. Just terrible.
Chromie192 4 months ago
OMG ITS OBI WAN
TheXeeman 4 months ago
@TheXeeman Do you mean Qui-Gon Jinn?
DanieLaixer 4 months ago 12
@DanieLaixer OH god. I....I have dishonoured myself.
TheXeeman 4 months ago
@TheXeeman BWAAAhahaha
"Dishonourable Discharge"
DancingSpiderman 2 months ago
The real Rob only ever lost one duel. He was a true swrodsman
OldStag72 5 months ago 2
I've never met him so I don't really know but I don;t think he's that tall. I got my information from google
ThirdTwin3 5 months ago
What's messed up is that Roth had Neeson's character completely outmatched skill-wise, and was clearly the better fencer....yet Neeson won by using the skills of the actual battlefield. That's the difference between someone who learns swordplay and someone who lives their lives by the sword.
darthroden 5 months ago 2
@darthroden not really "of the actual battlefiel"..because on the battlefield you dont wait to be given the nod to waste someone..you just do it already. English knights of old would have hacked him in half immediately.
LCStreetPhotographer 5 months ago
@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident.
All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
Otacon144 5 months ago
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@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident.
All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
Otacon144 5 months ago
@darthroden - Cunningham lost because he got overconfident. All those little cuts when he clearly had the skill to kill him outright? He's toying with MacGregor - he wants to humiliate him as much as he can. He's taken everything else from him - he's going to savor this. He thinks he's already won.
MacGregor doesn't really "live by the sword." He's just a farmer who's had awful things done to him and wants justice. And he gets it when Cunningham lets his guard down.
Otacon144 5 months ago 24
@Otacon144 If "only ever gloat over a dead body" isn't an old saying, start saying it so that it can be in a century, because you are absolutely right.
Jeroic9 3 months ago
@Otacon144 - I agree with you, but the small cuts also serve another purpose : blood loss. Cunningham also realizes that MacGregor' s heavier sword takes a lot more energy to swing around for an extended period of time..tiring him out was part of his strategy.
Boxingbear 3 weeks ago
@Otacon144 In point of fact, the actual Rob Roy MacGregor was reputed to be the best swordsman in the Highlands during his lifetime.
bgdancer100 4 days ago in playlist Action/fights
@darthroden
That's how I saw it too. Roth looked surprised and confused when Liam grabbed his sword.
"Oh crap. He can do that? What now?"
eminboztepe 4 months ago
Correct me if I am wrong: quaterback if I remeber is in football (not soccer). But in a duel? I also saw that Rob Roy was gragging his sword on the floor. Did he do this 4 a specific reason? I want 2 know.
djmpvae 5 months ago
@djmpvae 'Quarter' in a duel is mercy wherein an opponent admits defeat and their life is spared. Rob was dragging his sword towards the end out a combination of exhaustion, pain and the fact that part of the musculature of his sword arm had been cut (Roth's second successful hit).
Amizrael 5 months ago
Great scene. No Hollywood pomp or over the top grandeur. Just pure "impact".
tonypap1 5 months ago
This is cool and all, but what's with all the trannies?
Knifegash 5 months ago
Neeson is a damn giant! How tall is he?
leftyfourguns 5 months ago
@leftyfourguns 6' 4"
9Ratsel9 5 months ago
@leftyfourguns Tim roth is 5' 6 at most
ThirdTwin3 5 months ago
@ThirdTwin3 in lie to me it states that he is 5'8?
BigFatPandas 5 months ago
@BigFatPandas Roth is 5'6, look how tiny he appears next to 6'4 Neeson
rodcrippler 3 months ago
This has to be one of if not the greatest sword fight of any movie ever made. Great Session By Liam and and Tim.Doubt it will be equalled thanks for posting
cpnstav 5 months ago
@cpnstav Tim has done another memorable sabre duel, in a version of the 3 Musketeers, where he played Rochefort, tho the way his and D'Artagnan's skills are portrayed in there are too over the top, kinda like a couple of wire-fu ninjas
rodcrippler 3 months ago
clearly tim roth was the superior swordsman but liam was the superior man so therefore he was the better warrior
KNIGHT12 6 months ago
What happened afterwards?
djmpvae 6 months ago
@djmpvae rob goes home, its all cool
ricochetVendetta 6 months ago
It said no weapons other than the ones provided. I'm pretty sure grabbing your opponent's sword is cheating.
Cbarretthome 6 months ago
@Cbarretthome is it hell m8,there is no cheating in fighting
MrCalendarboy 6 months ago
@Cbarretthome There was no rule against grabbing your opponents sword.
Manassas85 2 months ago
Good old entertaining wholesome feel good movie. Good guy wins, bad guy dies.
GooseHinson 6 months ago
I doubt that Cunningham would have glanced over to seek approval when he had Rob Roy at his mercy like that. Also, how did Roy manage to hold the end of the foyle's blade without Cunningham simply slicing through his fingers?
fluro2829 6 months ago
@fluro2829 the rapier depends more on speed to slice than a cutting edge. And have you ever tried to get slice through something that was gripping your knife strongly
shaloneithne 6 months ago
@shaloneithne As far as I'm aware, the sword that Cunningham is using has a double edged blade with a point at the end. If you were to grab hold of it like Rob Roy does, then your grasp would be very feeble because of the sharpness of the blade cutting into the skin and so one could just tug the sword through the opponents fingers without much effort.
fluro2829 6 months ago
@fluro2829 Do you have much experience with grabbing blades? It's easier to do than you think. All you need is a willingness to bleed like Robert did and the blade will not move... especially if your opponent is small and physically weaker, as is demonstrated earlier in the film Cunningham's principal skill is speed and cunning, and if you take one of those out of the picture You defeat him.
shaloneithne 6 months ago
@shaloneithne No, I have never grabbed hold of a razor sharp blade wilfully like Rob Roy does, although I doubt most people ever have. I don't believe that you are taking into account just how sharp a foil's blade actually is. It's blade will cut through flesh like butter, so it's apparent that to clench a razor sharp edge with a vigorous determination is not going to alter the properties of a swords blade. Unless this ending happened in reality, then I find it difficult to believe.
fluro2829 6 months ago
@fluro2829 I have. It was a life or death thing so i kinda thought the potential loss of my hand would be better than the alternative. it wasn't a rapier though. It was a long fillet knife. very sharp, very thin. caught hold and needed stitches on my fingers but it worked. Rapier's cut through flesh like butter AT speed. Not standing still. Don't know if it was reality. history basically says there was a ruckus, Rob Roy fought a duel with a man named cunningham, Cunningham did not survive.
shaloneithne 6 months ago
@shaloneithne When you say 'caught hold', do you mean the knife was being wielded and you caught it in mid flight? If that was so, then I can believe that as it would appear as though you were fighting off an attacker and catching the blade aided you in fending your assailant off - that's one thing. Rob Roy deliberately clenches the blade hard while Cunningham deliberatley pulls it causing a slicing action, which against human flesh is an unstoppable force.
fluro2829 6 months ago
@zocka31 pirate of the caribbean's sword fights last three hours with no one dead or even hurt nor bleeding.
mechupanlamonda 6 months ago
Aren't you supposed to have identical swords in a duel, so that it is a fair fight?
Cbarretthome 6 months ago
I was wondering if that was Qui-Gon-Gin or Liam Neeson or Howard Moon for a second.
Betwazzled 7 months ago
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Betwazzled 7 months ago
Another man falls prey to the "talking villain" syndrome. Cunningham was clearly the better swordsman and in better cardiovascular shape. He had won the encounter but had to talk about it. Never toy with a man with a sword!
leekellerking 7 months ago in playlist Sword
@leekellerking Cunningham did not play for honour, it was a game and he required permission to kill. The other guy was more direct possibly his only advantage
ricochetVendetta 6 months ago
@ricochetVendetta plus, if you saw the rest of the movie, or knew the history, men in a certain walk of life were dependent on indulgent family members and their rules for a living. So Every time they fought they would look over to find out whether the fight was just to humiliate or to actually kill the opponent before proceeding.
shaloneithne 6 months ago
trop d,orgueil cunningham,comme dark maul........
jacknapier37 7 months ago
4:19 A young Demoman looks on.
But more seriously, this is a brilliant fight scene - I can't believe I'd not even heard of the film until I came across it!
currantbun2166 7 months ago
with the wig on I just don't know what to think but without it he looks BA and evil
ThirdTwin3 7 months ago
I love how when Roth takes off his wig everybody suddenly thinks, "sh*t, this guy is no creampuff."
ItchythaWookiee 7 months ago 2
@zocka31 you have a career as a film critic (wink)
richie8811 7 months ago
It's the third time that Rob surprises Cunningham...
pitsinokaki 8 months ago
Does anyone else think that Montrose is Archie's father? It is implied, isn't it?
pitsinokaki 8 months ago
@pitsinokaki
Yeah I think when he takes the brooch it's because of his personal connection to Cunningham's mother, and since Cunningham did not know his real father it can be guessed that Montrose really was. There's a lot of subtle plot devices in this film, great writing all around, one of my favorite films.
gulfcoastgangster 6 months ago
Use the Force, Qui-Gon!
jaguars4ever 8 months ago
So that's what a young Qui-Gon Jinn would have looked like.
taba247 8 months ago 2
@zocka31 lol Roger Ebert
MetalCrotch 8 months ago
Can somebody recommend to me other movies like that?
5084204 8 months ago
5:32
Swords don't work like that holy shit why is he bleeding out of his hand
kamilfreeman 9 months ago
@kamilfreeman because he's squeezing the blade you blithering imbecile
Flayertim 9 months ago
@Flayertim he SHOUDLN'T be bleeding from just squeezing, learn how friction and swords work.
kamilfreeman 9 months ago
@kamilfreeman I'm sorry to contradict you if you are a certified master of swordsmanship and physics, but bleeding is more or less expected when you squeeze a sharp object as hard you can.
Flayertim 9 months ago
@Flayertim Squeeze a kitchen knife without letting it slide around your hand, see if you'll bleed dummy.
kamilfreeman 9 months ago
@kamilfreeman A while back I accidentally pressed my thumb lightly against the edge of a knife. Guess what happened?
RelativelyBest 8 months ago
Cunningham - skill, technique, arrogance, quickness, anticipation, lightness
Rob Roy - determination.
aadityakarthik 9 months ago
So much love for Tim Roth, my heart cannot contain it all. BEST duel in the history of film.
keenoled 9 months ago
Where was the duel scene filmed?
ceredigio 9 months ago
Ohhh... I can just feel Rob Roy's fatigue and pain @ 4:12
Liam is not built for stamina. Roth is more suited to a point-&-block style requiring stamina. I assumed that Liam's character is not well practiced with a thin lighter sword of the kind Roth is clearly adept with. Roth's moves were to make Liam REACT with wide circular arm movements. Clearly Roth would have won any time they would duel.
And guys... YES. Trapping Roth's sword is fair. None of the short list of rules were broken.
DancingSpiderman 10 months ago
The best part about this scene is how it doesn't try to be "aesthetically pleasing" and have it's actors "swordfight" by just hitting each other swords over and over to look cool. When you're swordfighting you're not trying to look PRETTY: you're trying to KILL a motherfucker, and you aim for HIM, NOT his sword.
Plus that nasty trick Neesan did at the end: he KNEW he couldn't beat the guy in a straight fight (he never even touched him earlier), so he HAD to trap his sword.
Technically still fair
TheBType 10 months ago 5
The power of immortality, you now have.. Rob-Gon Jinn
RobertoWatchin 10 months ago
Bullshit. Just like Daniel Laruso beating Johnny Lawrence, Rocky beating Drago. Bullshit. lol
anepales 11 months ago
@anepales
Actually, in real life I could see Liam Neeson as having a significant advantage over Tim Roth.
Roth is a short, skinny guy. Neeson isn't heavily muscled, but he's taller, and his broadsword here is MEANT to be used by taller people to they can cleave using leverage for killing strokes. Also, that hand trick works and was used in several famous historical duels, though the guy who did it tended to loose the hand afterwords.
It's not TECHNICALLY against dueling rules, but it's not fair.
TheBType 10 months ago
@TheBType
Rob Roy would have been sliced diced and killed in seconds - Tim Roth, who was trained for this scene by a master swordsman admitted that right in an interview that you can find online.
The sword that he used was clearly a period rapier and in the hands of a trained swordsman would have dispatched Roy in about 2 seconds flat.
gabrielfaust1 9 months ago
@gabrielfaust1
I think that Roth's character is, for that he's a horrible cunt of a human being, is supposed to be a vastly better fighter, aside from being more appropriately armed.
The fight was designed to look extremely uneven. Makes the hero look more dramatic when he succeeds.
TheBType 9 months ago
@TheBType: I agree with you. Apart from that, had Cunningham not stopped to gloat, he could easily have killed Rob Roy. He was the better fighter, but he underestimated his opponent and got killed as a result. It can happen, I think.
pitsinokaki 8 months ago
@pitsinokaki
Probably happened a lot.
In movies the hero generally gets a chance to recover from mistakes, but in a real fight if you slip up like that you're probably a corpse a second later.
TheBType 8 months ago
@TheBType It looked like Cunningham was just toying with Rob Roy, and knew he could kill him at any time, but being supremely confident he stopped to gloat and was totally blindsided. Of course it's a classic plot device, but like you said it probably happened a lot in real life as well. Overconfidence has been the downfall of too many historical figures to count. Btw, I forget the significance of the brooch the lord took off of Cunningham's body...?
squamish4244 7 months ago
cleaved him in half
1x93cm 11 months ago
Tim is such a prissy, evil little shit in this movie. I love it!
atomicwendy 11 months ago
Cheater.
macewindex 1 year ago
awesome video
jcbsebrigh 1 year ago
Tim Roth vs Qui-Gon Jin... loool
LeeFollett 1 year ago
Scotland forever
beverage2008 1 year ago 2
5:39-5:41=RAPED!haha!lol! great swordfighting scene!one of my favs!
steveharrismetalgod 1 year ago
Tim Roth is pure evil in this movie.
hunkatiel 1 year ago 23
@hunkatiel agreed
smecking 1 year ago
@hunkatiel
never doubt the healing power of hate
chetdog 11 months ago
@hunkatiel
Tim Roth looks like he's pure evil in real life actually.
TheBType 10 months ago 12
@TheBType Apparently you have never seen him in interviews because he is actually a pretty nice guy.
xyPERSON 6 months ago
@xyPERSON
I said he LOOKS like pure evil, not he IS :P.
The guy seems so absurdly polite, he just has that sinister look about him, which is probably why he's so frequently casted as a villain.
TheBType 6 months ago
@TheBType You do have a point though. Tim Roth has always had a kind of sinister appearance.
xyPERSON 6 months ago
@TheBType yeah, granted, he is pretty short, but he's got that sinistr smile that can give anyone the creeps, he should be a Bond villain.
rodcrippler 3 months ago