I agree that each day should be a special celebration. I just don't see how the observance of the Assumption of Mary has anything to do with it, even in a symbollic sense. It is a silly story, pure myth and distracts from the very real magic and awe of the actual world in which we live, the very real emotions about which Raina sings.
In a symbolic sense, the connection in between Verdi's "Ave Maria" and the Assumption of Mary is the Prayer of the Soul to the Universal Maternal principle /there's no religious hint here!/. Moreover, amlirco had posted his clip on this very holiday and therefore I see such a relation. The very real human emotions and her real Faith in Life /let's put in that way/ are equally felt in each character, Raina creates through the voice. It's just my subjective point of view, which I express, though.
Certainly, the theological disputes have nothing to do with the Magic, named Raina. I've no intention to discuss Man's eternal quest about what's pure myth or ultimate reality, either. In fact, everyone -- no matter if he is religious, atheist, pantheist or philosopher -- may find his own truth, when touched by the Great! I do think, we both share a true admiration towards the artist Kabaivanska, so everything else does not really count. Once again, my highest considerations to you, Klytemnest!
I do indeed have great esteem for Raina. I recall watching her concert on TV, back in the early 80s, in Bulgaria (yes, I am Bulgarian :-). She sang the arias from Trovatore, and when she got to "Sento mancarmi!", the visceral force with which she delivered that line touched me. I have been a fan ever since. The voice alone never had the aesthetic sumptuousness of Caballe or Freni, for example, but it always had an irresistible fascination. A great artist.
Furthermore, the surface manner, which you discuss her voice and motivation with, is rather disturbing. Indeed, a negative comment is much more dignified than a condescending like yours. The nerve and excitement in her voice, the completeness of the aesthetic suggestion cannot be reached even from thousands of sumptuous voices.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Something gets lost in the translation. Would you post this once more, but in Bulgarian? Thanks.
I meant no condescension. And my comment was not meant to be "negative". Personally I do not find her voice to be conventionally or consistently beautiful, but I am always thrilled and moved by it. It's my personal opinion. Is that OK? Your opinion may vary. That's because I am not you.
Just so you know, Raina is not religious, so "this sacred day" (The Assumption of Mary) is probably just another day to her. But, being the wonderful artist that she is, she can make one believe that she is. Thank you indeed for the aesthetic, artistic delight. Brava, Raina!
You are right, Klytemnest - she's stated that numerous times. And I am not "religious" too. True faith has nothing to do with any dogmatic rituals or rigid prescriptions. In this aspect, each day is SACRED... every moment - like this one - a special celebration. Raina transmits her sublime messages, regardless the official holidays. Nevertheless, posting "Ave Maria" on The Assumption of Mary is another beautiful symbolic act to appreciate her Art. Isn't it? Thank you for your words! Best wishes!
Klytemnest, be careful when suggest on behalf of the others. This is very dangerous and quite wicked on top. Raina may not be religious in a narrow sense you probably put in this word but this doesn't necessarily imply the day means nothing to her. I've never heard a more fervent Prayer filled with so much Faith, Pain and Humility.
Oh, believe me I understand your sense of superiority and gladly leave you the winning position. But I'd be forgiven if cannot be delighted with your narrow-minded urge to reduce the importance of the deep and multilevel implication of the Raina Kabaivanska's art. You are the one that projects your own disbelieve onto her interpretation and motivation. This to my mind is dangerous and wicked.
The connection with God and La Madonna is so powerful that sublimates. This cannot be an artistic approach, which in your words attains meaning of lie and pose. (We often tend to impute our vices to the others.)
Mradkova is right. When Raina sings this aria, she prays for us (even when we are so proud and completely unable to pray for the others) with Her Voice from Heaven. And the "real magic and awe of the actual world" fades away.
No. It is not "lie and pose". It's artistry. You are merely projecting. You WISH Raina were praying for you. She isn't. She is simply being Desdemona, a frightened woman who feels that death may be around the corner . It has nothing to do with you. I understand what you mean. When I listen to great artists I also feel as if they are singing directly to me, for me. It's fine to be poetic about this experience, but at the same time, let's not be silly...
You are free, of course, to speak for yourself but not to suggest what others may feel, be driven by, or mean.
Equally, if I feel she prays for me you are not the one to judge my own state of mind or spirituality. Everyone sees what can see. It's neither your fault nor mine.
As for Bulgarian, what about this proverb: "Крадецът вика: „Дръжте крадеца!" or in your case: Безбожникът вменява безбожие на Праведния. No bad feelings though.
But that's just the point. She is not religious. She has said so herself. YOU are the one projecting YOUR own sense of spirituality, whatever it may be, onto her - because you wish it were so. She is not praying. She is certainly not praying for you. She is an artist who understands the emotion of her character. That's what artists do. If you feel that she is praying for you, then she has done her job as an artist. The credit goes to her artistry, NOT to her religiosity. Dovizhdane.
Nothing can be done and there's no need to. Totally different semantic languages and no understanding. Казах Праведен, не религиозен. Job and artist are not words that I could use together.
Of course, she doesn't pray for me personally, I'm not that "silly", she just prays for me. And I don't wish, I know...
FLAWLESS!!! IMPECCABLE!!!
callastoujours 2 years ago 2
Oh, Verdi!
I found it again, thanks anyway.
tdavidray 3 years ago
Who's arrangement is this? It took me sooo long to even a recording of this arrangement and I cannot remember which composer's Ave Maria this is.
Someone help!
tdavidray 3 years ago
I agree that each day should be a special celebration. I just don't see how the observance of the Assumption of Mary has anything to do with it, even in a symbollic sense. It is a silly story, pure myth and distracts from the very real magic and awe of the actual world in which we live, the very real emotions about which Raina sings.
Thank you as well, and all the best!
Klytemnest 3 years ago
In a symbolic sense, the connection in between Verdi's "Ave Maria" and the Assumption of Mary is the Prayer of the Soul to the Universal Maternal principle /there's no religious hint here!/. Moreover, amlirco had posted his clip on this very holiday and therefore I see such a relation. The very real human emotions and her real Faith in Life /let's put in that way/ are equally felt in each character, Raina creates through the voice. It's just my subjective point of view, which I express, though.
mradkova 3 years ago
Certainly, the theological disputes have nothing to do with the Magic, named Raina. I've no intention to discuss Man's eternal quest about what's pure myth or ultimate reality, either. In fact, everyone -- no matter if he is religious, atheist, pantheist or philosopher -- may find his own truth, when touched by the Great! I do think, we both share a true admiration towards the artist Kabaivanska, so everything else does not really count. Once again, my highest considerations to you, Klytemnest!
mradkova 3 years ago
I do indeed have great esteem for Raina. I recall watching her concert on TV, back in the early 80s, in Bulgaria (yes, I am Bulgarian :-). She sang the arias from Trovatore, and when she got to "Sento mancarmi!", the visceral force with which she delivered that line touched me. I have been a fan ever since. The voice alone never had the aesthetic sumptuousness of Caballe or Freni, for example, but it always had an irresistible fascination. A great artist.
Klytemnest 3 years ago
Furthermore, the surface manner, which you discuss her voice and motivation with, is rather disturbing. Indeed, a negative comment is much more dignified than a condescending like yours. The nerve and excitement in her voice, the completeness of the aesthetic suggestion cannot be reached even from thousands of sumptuous voices.
amlirco 3 years ago
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Something gets lost in the translation. Would you post this once more, but in Bulgarian? Thanks.
I meant no condescension. And my comment was not meant to be "negative". Personally I do not find her voice to be conventionally or consistently beautiful, but I am always thrilled and moved by it. It's my personal opinion. Is that OK? Your opinion may vary. That's because I am not you.
Klytemnest 3 years ago
Prega, Maria per noi! Amen.
The voice from Heaven is praying for us, all on this sacred day. Thank you for the spiritual delight, Amlirco!
Ave Maria! Ave Raina!
mradkova 3 years ago
AMEN!
amlirco 3 years ago
Whatever..
Klytemnest 3 years ago
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Who's arrangement is this? It took me sooo long to even a recording of this arrangement and I cannot remember which composer's Ave Maria this is.
Someone help!
tdavidray 3 years ago
Just so you know, Raina is not religious, so "this sacred day" (The Assumption of Mary) is probably just another day to her. But, being the wonderful artist that she is, she can make one believe that she is. Thank you indeed for the aesthetic, artistic delight. Brava, Raina!
Klytemnest 3 years ago
You are right, Klytemnest - she's stated that numerous times. And I am not "religious" too. True faith has nothing to do with any dogmatic rituals or rigid prescriptions. In this aspect, each day is SACRED... every moment - like this one - a special celebration. Raina transmits her sublime messages, regardless the official holidays. Nevertheless, posting "Ave Maria" on The Assumption of Mary is another beautiful symbolic act to appreciate her Art. Isn't it? Thank you for your words! Best wishes!
mradkova 3 years ago
Klytemnest, be careful when suggest on behalf of the others. This is very dangerous and quite wicked on top. Raina may not be religious in a narrow sense you probably put in this word but this doesn't necessarily imply the day means nothing to her. I've never heard a more fervent Prayer filled with so much Faith, Pain and Humility.
amlirco 3 years ago
Yes. It's called artistry. Would you expect anything less of an artist like Raina?
Likewise, allow me to caution you not to project your own emotions and sense of spirituality onto others. Dangerous and wicked indeed.
Klytemnest 3 years ago
Oh, believe me I understand your sense of superiority and gladly leave you the winning position. But I'd be forgiven if cannot be delighted with your narrow-minded urge to reduce the importance of the deep and multilevel implication of the Raina Kabaivanska's art. You are the one that projects your own disbelieve onto her interpretation and motivation. This to my mind is dangerous and wicked.
amlirco 3 years ago
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Who's arrangement is this? It took me sooo long to even a recording of this arrangement and I cannot remember which composer's Ave Maria this is.
Someone help!
tdavidray 3 years ago
The connection with God and La Madonna is so powerful that sublimates. This cannot be an artistic approach, which in your words attains meaning of lie and pose. (We often tend to impute our vices to the others.)
Mradkova is right. When Raina sings this aria, she prays for us (even when we are so proud and completely unable to pray for the others) with Her Voice from Heaven. And the "real magic and awe of the actual world" fades away.
amlirco 3 years ago
No. It is not "lie and pose". It's artistry. You are merely projecting. You WISH Raina were praying for you. She isn't. She is simply being Desdemona, a frightened woman who feels that death may be around the corner . It has nothing to do with you. I understand what you mean. When I listen to great artists I also feel as if they are singing directly to me, for me. It's fine to be poetic about this experience, but at the same time, let's not be silly...
Klytemnest 3 years ago
You are free, of course, to speak for yourself but not to suggest what others may feel, be driven by, or mean.
Equally, if I feel she prays for me you are not the one to judge my own state of mind or spirituality. Everyone sees what can see. It's neither your fault nor mine.
As for Bulgarian, what about this proverb: "Крадецът вика: „Дръжте крадеца!" or in your case: Безбожникът вменява безбожие на Праведния. No bad feelings though.
amlirco 3 years ago
But that's just the point. She is not religious. She has said so herself. YOU are the one projecting YOUR own sense of spirituality, whatever it may be, onto her - because you wish it were so. She is not praying. She is certainly not praying for you. She is an artist who understands the emotion of her character. That's what artists do. If you feel that she is praying for you, then she has done her job as an artist. The credit goes to her artistry, NOT to her religiosity. Dovizhdane.
Klytemnest 3 years ago
Nothing can be done and there's no need to. Totally different semantic languages and no understanding. Казах Праведен, не религиозен. Job and artist are not words that I could use together.
Of course, she doesn't pray for me personally, I'm not that "silly", she just prays for me. And I don't wish, I know...
amlirco 3 years ago