As for this song in particular, is there a better line anywhere than
"All those who place their faith in fire, in fire their faith shall be repaid!"
??
It's a couplet, a tautology, a chiasmus and right-between-the-eyes meaningful. Not freakin' bad. Nothing better. Well, maybe some Robert Hunter lyrics are that cool.
While I think there's great music being made all the time (just not promoted), you may be right that there will never again be such a vibe for a whole generation.decade or so. Truly amazing.
But with the Dead, Dylan, QMS, CSN&Y, Airplane, Zappa, Counrty Joe and the Fish, and all the Brit bands, and more obscure bands like Beautiful Day, HP Lovecraft, Moby Grape and on an on...nothing like it before or since
My family moved from Arizona to the East Bay in the summer of '66. One of the alltime great moves. Arrived in time to catch Quicksilver and so many great bands live. Pride of Man was/is an anthem.
I love this song.I remember being at a keg smoking hash and drinking listening to psycedelic and progressive rock.We need to get ourselves back to the garden,stop being so conservitive and anal.Legalize Pot and put a end to drug testing and be free,free at last.
The last year I can remember having fun, unencumbered by GPA angst, pre-college worries, work responsibilities, home life. Just a carefree summer in Southern California's orange groves, taking who knows what with who knows whom.
I was a penniless, train hopping vagabond and feel very, very fortunate to have passed late 60's early 70's in that lonely, happy state. Listening to this song takes me back to West Virginia '66 & Marin County '71, coolest places in the states. My 11 year old, ahhh, will he be so fortunate?!
I was a penniless, train hopping vagabond and feel very, very fortunate to have passed late 60's early 70's in that lonely, happy state. Listening to this song takes me back to West Virginia '66 & Marin County '71, coolest places in the states. My 11 year old, ahhh, will he be so fortunate?!
Thank you, itty, for your infos and technical info about the poverty in recording... I always noticed that. that's a real pity, to hear this little treasure in so poor conditions... and they cannot make it anymore!... that's life. But I quite agree with you: nevertheless, the sentiment is VERY relevant.
Love this song. Written in 1964 at the beginning of the Johnson administration. Look up Hamilton Camp's acting credits - he got around. I think Freiberg's bass playing makes this take. The production is a laugh - it sounds like there was no dynamic range from the band so they just cut the volume way back at the console on the next to last verse - notice EVERYTHING gets soft all at once. Thanks for posting this. And the sentiment is still relevant.
@KIDAmnesiacBends I applaud you for listening to the great bands of my youth....I don't doubt your reply one bit. A terrific period of music........Keep on listening !!!!!
Hollywood Palladium '73 or '74. Great show. Dino sharing joints from the crowd during "Fresh Air" was cool. Forget who, if any, opened the show. Anyone?
My Dad says my latest original song "The Radio Sucks Today" reminds him of this song and I had never heard this song before I wrote new original! But I really do like this song!
I always took this to mean a nuclear weapon. It is how many of survivors of the Japanese atomic blasts described the experience.
The song, including its references to a destroyed Babylon, clearly have apocalyptic overtones.
I remember hearing somewhere (but I can't remember where) that this is basically an anti-war song, about how everything man is proud of will be destroyed in the next war.
Remembering when QMS panhandled enough money to rent a truck to haul their equipment to the park to play for free. When they first went to the fillmore auditorium there was way too much feedback and inexperience. Yet when they were On you didn't want to be anywhere else. R.I.P. John
Hell what do I Know, I just love this song and this album! Thank you Clotho98 for posting it. It was our last stand before Heavy metal polluted the airwaves!
To understand this song, first, take a few thousand mics of LSD-25. Then, go to the mid-western Church you were raised in and really try to understand those people.. Next, decide to avoid your Selective Service call-up and take a bus to the West Coast. Grow pot. Have sex whenever possible. It all will begin to become clear...
@Mojave888 Sure does here's a few other lines. "Terror is on every side, lo our leaders are dismayed...shall cause your tower to fall, make of you a pyre of flame,
Babylon, the ancient name for Iraq too.
Eerie and a great song by the amazing 4 man classic pre-Dino QMS.
Nickgui, any idea where did my first post (relating to 9/11) go? I see your answer here but my post has apparently vanished. Anyway, thanks for the reply and right on about this being a great song by the classic, pre-Dino, QMS.
@MrDustyrhodes People like you who judge without a clue usually don;t care if your right or wrong but your dead wrong. Does the truth matter to you? The truth is I saw them quite a bit. Old Fillmore, Carousal,, Fillmore West and Avalon mostly but down my way at Frost Stanford and other places up till John left the band at Winterland the night after Janis died. That's the truth. If you were me and knew the truth you'd know how ridicules you sound being so wrong.
@MrDustyrhodes Your 51 years old? I'm 10 years older than you. When this record came out I was going to college and you were what 9 or 10 years old? Spare me kid.
@MrDustyrhodes Sorry I read it wrong we're the same age. However that doesn't mean your not tottaly full of shit in regards to what you said to me about me not seeing one of my all-time fave bands many times. Only way you could have seen them as much as me would be if you were a SF Bay kid like me.
@MrDustyrhodes Knowing Nick from way back I find your foolish and lame comment amusing, You ever hear the Dylan line "And I'll know my song well before I start singing?" Your so wrong and don't know what your talking about. Which is all I have to say to you bush-leauge..
@MrDustyrhodes You know why I wouldn't question if you saw QMS? Because I don't know you and I have no idea and I'm not a smack talk'en fool with a name from a chick DJ who would. My fave QMS show is maybe The Quick & The Dead w/ Linn County at Fillmore West with the 4 man band at their peak. Go ahead tell me I wasn't there and I also never felt them make the floor of the Avalon bounce,
Hamilton Camp, who wrote this song, was upset with Quicksilver -- something about the recording rights or something. He was telling me about it at a coffee house in San Diego where he was performing around 1972. Hamiton Camp played acoustic guitar and sang. He told me he wrote this song with the Bible open in one hand and writing with the other.
Well, this is amazing. I just looked up the name Hamiton Camp on YouTube and I think I may have found him. Is that really him? .... Do a YouTube search for "Honey wine Hamilton Camp." I think that may be him.
@imjustpassinthru Wonder why? He had writing credit and sure he got his checks and QMS is how a whole lot of people found out who he was being their take on it is more well known than all the others,
Agreed, you guys really should consider not reading too much into the lyrics of songs so much... all the possible different impressions songs from the 70's could possibly render would make the human mind explode. How you choose to hear a song should not affect your enjoyment in listening to it.
Acid band, drunken with sound, just happy to make Bill Graham not throw you out. Its not the drugs people!!! The music came from somewhere nobody imagined at the time until these guys and the rest of them did. Some live, some do not remain. The music is the sound that remains. The influence whatever the source is what makes music live.
Is a biblical allusion something that brings a biblical illusion? If not then the reflection of an old religion just makes it more pertinent in the age of monotheistic strife. There are three religions that are fighting it out today. There is only one Music.
Thank you for posting this. It is the quintessencial acid rock music with the "King of the whammy bar" John Cippolino as lead guitar. It is also just as relevent today.
trickster from within is more like -- the human animal contains both compassion and aggression, -- we all contain god, we all contain satan - but we can choose how to act, that's our freedom
It was never the Drugs, it's just Humans being Humans.. We got High, some of us did just fine.. Please don't berate the times and the movement.. think about it..
People have been dying and killing since day one... I'm so proud of what the Peace movement and all the political and social changes that were enacted because of the many fearless freedom fighters who fought for you and I.
This is an exceptional hit. The words really are inspired, yet, ironically sung by a group who is associated with drugs. It's an interesting contrast. I feel that there was much good AND bad from the hippy era. HOLD ON. Don't get pissed, all you throw backs from the 60s. You are NOT as holy as you think you are. Many good minds and talents were WASTED. The trickster from down below fooled many of you. Thank God I avoided the sad endings of my former friends. But I love them still.
Dear Glaetze...As I love my fallen friends like yours...but because some People hot rod their cars? nobody should drive. I know that "trickster from below" too. " a liar and murderer of old...But "Throwback?" I, Visionaries we were and are We lost like fertilizer loses when the flowers bloom.
The liar and murderers still fear our influence, hence this lie: If you remember the 60s you weren't there. I was, and do. But I work on the present and Future!
If you weren't there or experienced the times, you really don't have a right to pass judgment. It was never about the drugs. There are probably more people who didn't get "high" than those who did. It was the MUSIC that turned everybody on. I listened to this album at 18. I have never stopped listening to it. It moves me to the depths of my soul. And it does it without drugs because the music IS the drug.
You're absolutely correct about it being about the music. I feel just as strongly about that. However, we are in situations where we make judgements every day. And in my opinion, the glorification of counterfeit spiritual experiences through dangerous drugs (especially through people like Timothy Leary), was, and still is the worst form of distruction on mankind. It destroyed many of my friends. That is my right to make judgement, just as it is with yours.
You need to read the Bible glaetze if you're going to preach from it. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. You are throwing stones from inside your glass house. Preach about the positive things of God and not the negative things of man. And insults like "throwback"? It seems like you're trying to show your "good works" before man, so your "rewards" will stay here on earth.
If you read your Bible 1999 wharfrat, you will also find in James that "faith without works is dead, being alone". Additionally, "throwback" is not meant to be an insult, as much as a fun jab. Sorry it insults you. Also, people who live in glass houses have faded furniture, not necessarily "shouldn't throw stones".
I also don't glory in "good works", but in making a more correct choice, by following my "'inner moral compass". I by no means gloat about it. I feel sad for those who didn't.
The throw back doesn't insult me, it insults others. And you were throwing stones at others. Thats great that you make the choices you do. Just enjoy the music.
@glaetze You judge things as YOU see it, that doesn't mean as they are.. Knowing you don't claim to be holier than anybody else. I'm sure you agree. What does the healty happy looking good at 70+ guy who songs this song or this band or song have to with Keith Richards? Or are you using him who has nothing to do with it as a springbord for your judge-mental pomtifactions?
My judge-mental "pomtifaction " begs the obligation of your so-called " healthy happy looking good at 70+ guy " to properly visit the graves of several of my friend's, with their now elderly parents and other relatives, in order for him to blithely gloat about his survival success over their dead children's failures with drugs. I'm sure they will enjoy it, hearing about how their children did it the wrong way.
@glaetze Once again you cast someone as someone they aren't as a prop for more soap-box. pontifications. How bout you & your friends do what me & mine did which is take responsibility for your own actions let alone blame a good guy for something he'd never do? I've seen the guy singing this song in action for almost 45 years and he never told us to do or take anything so spare me.
@glaetze The guy sining this song is 70+ years young happy healthy great guy and still rocking. Maybe your talking about your friends, who like you, have nothing to do with this band and song. Maybe your NOT as holy as you think you are.
"Pride of Man". That's what wrecked "the movement". The wandering pennyless vagabonds on Haight & Clayton .. while Jerry and "leaders" lived in oppulence in Mill Valley
Yes!. Pennyless by choice, Breakin' on through to the other side, Loosing the bonds of convention and the status quo! Leaving the plastic fantastic in the dustbin of history!
Somebody fucked up. Look at this now. We're right back where we started ... and it's gotten worse. But enough of that for now. Let's have another hit ,,, of fresh air (insert winky smiley thumbs up icon here)!
pennyless? Quicksilver was certainly NOT . They were the last major SF group to sign a record deal . The wanted MORE MONEY . God Bless the hippies ( I was there in 1966
@clotho98 You got that right Brother. If that other person is referring to Jerry Garcia, he never lived in " Oppulence " I was still crashing with him and Mountain Girl at the pad they kept on Masonic. What does " oppulence " mean to this person? Mattresses with blankets? Happy Trails to you!
@sparkyization Jerry didn't live in Mill Valley, Bet that's just the start of what you don't know about any of it besides what you read. The wandering broke kids showed up from outta town and didn't have anything to do with why it was a great place before they showed up, with flowers in their hair from that Hype song out of LA. Jerry was a good guy but he wasn't anybody I know "leader" and he wasn't into that any way. Oppulence? Dead QMS in 68? Yeah right.
@sparkyization Give it a rest. Everyone had their own path to trod. For most, neither Haight-Ashbury or Mill Valley were their final destinations. Don't get lost in the past.
@cyberoid I hear you, Bro'. It's a whole 'nuther world today. We can't dwell on what's past. Onward to the path before us! And when travelin' days are over, we shall walk the streets of gold!!
Quicksilver Messenger Service and The Greatful Dead were known in those days as "The Quick and the Dead." It's a matter of taste and temperment, of course, but I always felt Quicksilver was the more powerful and deep inspired band. I ran into Hamilton Kamp, who wrote Pride of Man, in 1970 in a coffee house in San Diego were was doing a gig. He told me he wrote Pride of Man with the Bible open in an inspired moment.
I can't believe no comments on one of the best bands of the sixties with two fabulous lead guitarists, Gary Duncan and John Cipolina. Their sound has been copied by so many guitar players since then. Their best is Gold and Silver from the same album.
Apocalyptic rock at its finest
detweilcny 2 days ago
Flippin' eck!!!
Meandgenevieve 2 weeks ago
This is when they made real music..
revbd 3 weeks ago
genius. superb. Steve Vooght understands this
hiodori 1 month ago
Pity this fine song has a union-busting ad on the front. I guess everything has a price.
TurtleWeasle 1 month ago
" . . . And it shall cause your tower to fall .."
imjustpassinthru 1 month ago
As for this song in particular, is there a better line anywhere than
"All those who place their faith in fire, in fire their faith shall be repaid!"
??
It's a couplet, a tautology, a chiasmus and right-between-the-eyes meaningful. Not freakin' bad. Nothing better. Well, maybe some Robert Hunter lyrics are that cool.
Trollificusv2 1 month ago 2
While I think there's great music being made all the time (just not promoted), you may be right that there will never again be such a vibe for a whole generation.decade or so. Truly amazing.
But with the Dead, Dylan, QMS, CSN&Y, Airplane, Zappa, Counrty Joe and the Fish, and all the Brit bands, and more obscure bands like Beautiful Day, HP Lovecraft, Moby Grape and on an on...nothing like it before or since
Trollificusv2 1 month ago 2
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" I think it may have been the only sane interlude in history"
That's a scary thought
wns67 2 months ago
My family moved from Arizona to the East Bay in the summer of '66. One of the alltime great moves. Arrived in time to catch Quicksilver and so many great bands live. Pride of Man was/is an anthem.
BobWhiteRewind 3 months ago
This song and "sound" say so much, they'll never catch the originality of this feel/vibe again.
cudaj2 3 months ago
i used to listen to this with my son riding in my cutlass delivering weed back in the day he is dead now and i am still rolling
slimbo159 4 months ago
@slimbo159 ....in your Prius?
irishrogue63 3 months ago
This is purely awesome music.
MonkeySeeism 5 months ago
I love this song.I remember being at a keg smoking hash and drinking listening to psycedelic and progressive rock.We need to get ourselves back to the garden,stop being so conservitive and anal.Legalize Pot and put a end to drug testing and be free,free at last.
Big77Jim 6 months ago
Classic
Nofixedabodetube 6 months ago
The last year I can remember having fun, unencumbered by GPA angst, pre-college worries, work responsibilities, home life. Just a carefree summer in Southern California's orange groves, taking who knows what with who knows whom.
FlyingSkettiKitty 6 months ago
Awesome...
crazzydrummer66 7 months ago
...and then along came Dino...it was never the same...We must savor THESE recordings.
chinzebo 7 months ago
One of the all time great SF anthems of the day when it was alive, and is still...
MisterBonzai 8 months ago
I was a penniless, train hopping vagabond and feel very, very fortunate to have passed late 60's early 70's in that lonely, happy state. Listening to this song takes me back to West Virginia '66 & Marin County '71, coolest places in the states. My 11 year old, ahhh, will he be so fortunate?!
fortiradici 8 months ago 3
@fortiradici
this is why i'm glad to be middle aged!!! all the great concerts/shows i've been to makes it worth it!
i pity young people - they have their tribute bands & some of the old fuckers are still kicking ass.
what's new & exciting? the re-issue of Exile on Main last year. pathetic. great version of Soul Survivour, w/Keith on vocals!
cherrybomb2600 5 months ago
I was a penniless, train hopping vagabond and feel very, very fortunate to have passed late 60's early 70's in that lonely, happy state. Listening to this song takes me back to West Virginia '66 & Marin County '71, coolest places in the states. My 11 year old, ahhh, will he be so fortunate?!
fortiradici 8 months ago 2
it took years to get this song out of my head and now its back hi old frend
securitycat11 8 months ago
Very refreshing to hear people acutually sing, rather then the computer enchanced vocals.
DMPFace 9 months ago
That was an amazing time and place to grow up . I think it may have been the only sane interlude in history.
MrPerfecttommy 9 months ago 17
@MrPerfecttommy I thought it was for sure.
RoyFive 4 months ago
@MrPerfecttommy i envy you.
TheUberRofl 3 months ago
I was 13 and listen to this at least 25 tmes a day and would drive my parents and neighbors crazy. I loved QSMS!!
CF77777 9 months ago 2
This is a real hippy anthem, Iknow as I was there!
MrLaramie13 9 months ago
played this with our band Pack of Wolves at a rally in golden gate park with david freiberg in 1991 to protest the war with Iran
kenlaw101 10 months ago 2
Great Song-Thanks
fingersmalone7 11 months ago
Thank you, itty, for your infos and technical info about the poverty in recording... I always noticed that. that's a real pity, to hear this little treasure in so poor conditions... and they cannot make it anymore!... that's life. But I quite agree with you: nevertheless, the sentiment is VERY relevant.
toussaint1953 1 year ago
Love this song. Written in 1964 at the beginning of the Johnson administration. Look up Hamilton Camp's acting credits - he got around. I think Freiberg's bass playing makes this take. The production is a laugh - it sounds like there was no dynamic range from the band so they just cut the volume way back at the console on the next to last verse - notice EVERYTHING gets soft all at once. Thanks for posting this. And the sentiment is still relevant.
Itty0420 1 year ago
What a great era to be a teenager.....Back when there was some real talent in the music biz................
drumsyeah 1 year ago 2
@drumsyeah
thanks for making me jealous....but seriously i'm the only teen i know who even knows who this band is
KIDAmnesiacBends 6 months ago
@KIDAmnesiacBends I applaud you for listening to the great bands of my youth....I don't doubt your reply one bit. A terrific period of music........Keep on listening !!!!!
drumsyeah 6 months ago
Say them open at Winterland on New Year's Eve 1971 I think it was! Great show, the Dead played til 4am
Irisheyes490 1 year ago
wow, i saw jefferson starship open with this song in Omaha NE in 1979
omahabee 1 year ago
I haven´t heard this song for many years, this song along with Mona, fresh air and Dino´s song, are my favourite QMS tunes.
HarrymegamanDJ 1 year ago
THE Best Rock Band EVER spawned from the Bay Area, at least until that asshat Valenti ruined it.
maggio888 1 year ago 3
Saw them at Palladium in summer 1971....Jo Jo Gunne opened. Shrrooms or Osley, Red or Gold pumped the audience back in the daze.
kingsapphire 1 year ago
Hollywood Palladium '73 or '74. Great show. Dino sharing joints from the crowd during "Fresh Air" was cool. Forget who, if any, opened the show. Anyone?
HarleyJohnnyG55 1 year ago
This was written by Hoyt Axton...also an actor,he was in Gremlins,played the father.
zensurfmaster 1 year ago
@zensurfmaster
Hamilton Camp wrote this song.
grahambanks 1 year ago
Unsung heroes, I saw John maybe 85 in a Sons of San Francisco gig!
borntrippin 1 year ago
@borntrippin
Hamilton Camp wrote this song...
grahambanks 1 year ago
My Dad says my latest original song "The Radio Sucks Today" reminds him of this song and I had never heard this song before I wrote new original! But I really do like this song!
Sdf1987 1 year ago
"Flash of fire, ten times brighter than the day"
I always took this to mean a nuclear weapon. It is how many of survivors of the Japanese atomic blasts described the experience.
The song, including its references to a destroyed Babylon, clearly have apocalyptic overtones.
I remember hearing somewhere (but I can't remember where) that this is basically an anti-war song, about how everything man is proud of will be destroyed in the next war.
kingrokon 1 year ago
This was the first cassette tape I bought.
What memories. I mean ,What memories?
bassman01007 1 year ago 2
... SO GOOD ;)
berfut 1 year ago
Sandoz pharmaceutical will do.
schniffu 1 year ago
Remembering when QMS panhandled enough money to rent a truck to haul their equipment to the park to play for free. When they first went to the fillmore auditorium there was way too much feedback and inexperience. Yet when they were On you didn't want to be anywhere else. R.I.P. John
mycatslistentome 1 year ago
Hell what do I Know, I just love this song and this album! Thank you Clotho98 for posting it. It was our last stand before Heavy metal polluted the airwaves!
bagwandave 1 year ago
to all the posters who bickered about who was "hippier than thou": thanks for effectively explaining the meaning of this song.
weirdkindofsexsymbol 1 year ago
Get over it.Don't you wanna be a rock-n-roll star?
Sorry, but that's what every band aspires to, ain't it?
rockinroger69 1 year ago
que rolonononon la neta
thejuanilloscompany 1 year ago
R.I.P. Hamilton Camp--1934-2005.
RoyFive 1 year ago
"Turn around go back down go back the way you came
Babylon is laid to waste Egypt's buried in her shame
Their mighty men are beaten down the kings are fallen in the ways
Oh God the pride of man broken in the dust again"
*
God sent a message to America on 9/11 -- unfortunately, America misunderstood the message completely.
WolverineDeus 1 year ago
what is this song about?
Riffalizer 2 years ago
To understand this song, first, take a few thousand mics of LSD-25. Then, go to the mid-western Church you were raised in and really try to understand those people.. Next, decide to avoid your Selective Service call-up and take a bus to the West Coast. Grow pot. Have sex whenever possible. It all will begin to become clear...
Sanernando 2 years ago 19
i wonder how clear the rest of my life will be. hahah
Riffalizer 2 years ago
haha. spoken in the true spirit of the times. Love it.
gk10002000 1 year ago
Yes , I will not elaborate
ioriorioriorio 1 year ago
@Sanernando --YEP!
OdysseyLoungeA2 1 year ago
@Sanernando Sounds like de ja vu' all over again . . . . .
of course you kinda had to be there (for the 60s) . . . . .
there is no substitute
detweilcny 1 year ago 3
Sounds eerily like 9/11, here's the first stanza:
"Turn around,
go back down,
back the way you came,
Can't you see that flash of fire ten times brighter than the day?
And behold a mighty city broken in the dust again,
Oh God, Pride of Man, broken in the dust again.
Mojave888 1 year ago
@Mojave888 Sure does here's a few other lines. "Terror is on every side, lo our leaders are dismayed...shall cause your tower to fall, make of you a pyre of flame,
Babylon, the ancient name for Iraq too.
Eerie and a great song by the amazing 4 man classic pre-Dino QMS.
nickgui 1 year ago
Nickgui, any idea where did my first post (relating to 9/11) go? I see your answer here but my post has apparently vanished. Anyway, thanks for the reply and right on about this being a great song by the classic, pre-Dino, QMS.
Mojave888 1 year ago
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nickgui 1 year ago
@nickgui I saw quicksilver many times. I read what you think nick! You never saw them live did you?
MrDustyrhodes 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes People like you who judge without a clue usually don;t care if your right or wrong but your dead wrong. Does the truth matter to you? The truth is I saw them quite a bit. Old Fillmore, Carousal,, Fillmore West and Avalon mostly but down my way at Frost Stanford and other places up till John left the band at Winterland the night after Janis died. That's the truth. If you were me and knew the truth you'd know how ridicules you sound being so wrong.
nickgui 1 year ago
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nickgui 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes I saw them live quite a bit till John left. That's the truth. How does it feel mto be smug and so wrong?
nickgui 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes I'm 9 years older than you. In 67 when I was seeing QMS what were you 10 or 11 years old? Spare me kid/
nickgui 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes Your 51 years old? I'm 10 years older than you. When this record came out I was going to college and you were what 9 or 10 years old? Spare me kid.
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nickgui 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes Sorry I read it wrong we're the same age. However that doesn't mean your not tottaly full of shit in regards to what you said to me about me not seeing one of my all-time fave bands many times. Only way you could have seen them as much as me would be if you were a SF Bay kid like me.
nickgui 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes Knowing Nick from way back I find your foolish and lame comment amusing, You ever hear the Dylan line "And I'll know my song well before I start singing?" Your so wrong and don't know what your talking about. Which is all I have to say to you bush-leauge..
6749er 1 year ago
@MrDustyrhodes You know why I wouldn't question if you saw QMS? Because I don't know you and I have no idea and I'm not a smack talk'en fool with a name from a chick DJ who would. My fave QMS show is maybe The Quick & The Dead w/ Linn County at Fillmore West with the 4 man band at their peak. Go ahead tell me I wasn't there and I also never felt them make the floor of the Avalon bounce,
nickgui 1 year ago
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nickgui 1 year ago
@Mojave888 No I have no idea but Yes! This 4 man QMS Delivers!
nickgui 1 year ago
Its about the egyptians versusus GODS chosen people
ioriorioriorio 1 year ago
Hamilton Camp, who wrote this song, was upset with Quicksilver -- something about the recording rights or something. He was telling me about it at a coffee house in San Diego where he was performing around 1972. Hamiton Camp played acoustic guitar and sang. He told me he wrote this song with the Bible open in one hand and writing with the other.
imjustpassinthru 2 years ago 4
Well, this is amazing. I just looked up the name Hamiton Camp on YouTube and I think I may have found him. Is that really him? .... Do a YouTube search for "Honey wine Hamilton Camp." I think that may be him.
imjustpassinthru 2 years ago
Sorry, I was mistaken about that. The singer singing Honey Wine is not Hamilton Camp but someone singing a song written by Hamilton Camp.
imjustpassinthru 2 years ago
@imjustpassinthru Wonder why? He had writing credit and sure he got his checks and QMS is how a whole lot of people found out who he was being their take on it is more well known than all the others,
nickgui 1 year ago
if you dont get the content of the lyrics, dont worry LOL
wilhoitsux 2 years ago
I had the double album set, quickslilver anthology I think it was. Just fantastic. Recently bought the same CD set from amazon .
gk10002000 2 years ago
The tune gives me goosebumbs everytime I hear it. And the apocalytic/end times lyrics seem particularly apt in these dark days.
''...terror is on every side....'' indeed
starviego 2 years ago 3
This is one of the best guitar riffs. Dig it. Thanks for posting.
aussiegoosebumps 2 years ago 2
oh will you all shut the fuck up with this religious drivel and enjoy the TUNE.
MoriahConqueringWind 2 years ago 5
Not Biblical allusions, just Biblical illusions.
patrickhellin 2 years ago
Agreed, you guys really should consider not reading too much into the lyrics of songs so much... all the possible different impressions songs from the 70's could possibly render would make the human mind explode. How you choose to hear a song should not affect your enjoyment in listening to it.
ImpendingRiot83 2 years ago
@ImpendingRiot83 it came out in 1968. Or are you talking about something else from the 70's?
nickgui 1 year ago
Quicksilver was a great acid band when they had Cippilinos quivery guitar
MaddieGretchen 2 years ago 25
Acid band, drunken with sound, just happy to make Bill Graham not throw you out. Its not the drugs people!!! The music came from somewhere nobody imagined at the time until these guys and the rest of them did. Some live, some do not remain. The music is the sound that remains. The influence whatever the source is what makes music live.
peetolator 2 years ago 4
A great song, from a time when artists still used Biblical allusions, and audiences still understood them.
mikal9000 2 years ago
Is a biblical allusion something that brings a biblical illusion? If not then the reflection of an old religion just makes it more pertinent in the age of monotheistic strife. There are three religions that are fighting it out today. There is only one Music.
peetolator 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this. It is the quintessencial acid rock music with the "King of the whammy bar" John Cippolino as lead guitar. It is also just as relevent today.
mick9m 2 years ago 2
trickster from within is more like -- the human animal contains both compassion and aggression, -- we all contain god, we all contain satan - but we can choose how to act, that's our freedom
SupernalOne 2 years ago
Blame a "trickster from below" huh. HOW WEAK! Take responsibility for your own actions, your own shortcomings, or you will repeat them endlessly.
rollieandblanca 2 years ago
Still a powerful song after all these years.
mrbag60 2 years ago
It was never the Drugs, it's just Humans being Humans.. We got High, some of us did just fine.. Please don't berate the times and the movement.. think about it..
People have been dying and killing since day one... I'm so proud of what the Peace movement and all the political and social changes that were enacted because of the many fearless freedom fighters who fought for you and I.
danzbmw 2 years ago 2
This is an exceptional hit. The words really are inspired, yet, ironically sung by a group who is associated with drugs. It's an interesting contrast. I feel that there was much good AND bad from the hippy era. HOLD ON. Don't get pissed, all you throw backs from the 60s. You are NOT as holy as you think you are. Many good minds and talents were WASTED. The trickster from down below fooled many of you. Thank God I avoided the sad endings of my former friends. But I love them still.
Peace
glaetze 2 years ago
Dear Glaetze...As I love my fallen friends like yours...but because some People hot rod their cars? nobody should drive. I know that "trickster from below" too. " a liar and murderer of old...But "Throwback?" I, Visionaries we were and are We lost like fertilizer loses when the flowers bloom.
The liar and murderers still fear our influence, hence this lie: If you remember the 60s you weren't there. I was, and do. But I work on the present and Future!
BardOfEarth 2 years ago
If you weren't there or experienced the times, you really don't have a right to pass judgment. It was never about the drugs. There are probably more people who didn't get "high" than those who did. It was the MUSIC that turned everybody on. I listened to this album at 18. I have never stopped listening to it. It moves me to the depths of my soul. And it does it without drugs because the music IS the drug.
jamal49 2 years ago 2
You're absolutely correct about it being about the music. I feel just as strongly about that. However, we are in situations where we make judgements every day. And in my opinion, the glorification of counterfeit spiritual experiences through dangerous drugs (especially through people like Timothy Leary), was, and still is the worst form of distruction on mankind. It destroyed many of my friends. That is my right to make judgement, just as it is with yours.
Peace.
glaetze 2 years ago
You need to read the Bible glaetze if you're going to preach from it. Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. You are throwing stones from inside your glass house. Preach about the positive things of God and not the negative things of man. And insults like "throwback"? It seems like you're trying to show your "good works" before man, so your "rewards" will stay here on earth.
1999wharfrat 2 years ago
If you read your Bible 1999 wharfrat, you will also find in James that "faith without works is dead, being alone". Additionally, "throwback" is not meant to be an insult, as much as a fun jab. Sorry it insults you. Also, people who live in glass houses have faded furniture, not necessarily "shouldn't throw stones".
I also don't glory in "good works", but in making a more correct choice, by following my "'inner moral compass". I by no means gloat about it. I feel sad for those who didn't.
glaetze 2 years ago
The throw back doesn't insult me, it insults others. And you were throwing stones at others. Thats great that you make the choices you do. Just enjoy the music.
1999wharfrat 2 years ago
@glaetze Hey Kid, just because your friends didn't pass the test doesn't really mean anything to me. That's my judgement of your soap box.
nickgui 1 year ago
Well good for you! I don't claim to be holier than anybody else, but do claim the right to judge things as they are.
P.S.- Keith Richards is still alive too. He is looking like a fine-looking, living corpse.
glaetze 1 year ago
@glaetze You judge things as YOU see it, that doesn't mean as they are.. Knowing you don't claim to be holier than anybody else. I'm sure you agree. What does the healty happy looking good at 70+ guy who songs this song or this band or song have to with Keith Richards? Or are you using him who has nothing to do with it as a springbord for your judge-mental pomtifactions?
nickgui 1 year ago
@nickgui
My judge-mental "pomtifaction " begs the obligation of your so-called " healthy happy looking good at 70+ guy " to properly visit the graves of several of my friend's, with their now elderly parents and other relatives, in order for him to blithely gloat about his survival success over their dead children's failures with drugs. I'm sure they will enjoy it, hearing about how their children did it the wrong way.
glaetze 1 year ago
@glaetze Once again you cast someone as someone they aren't as a prop for more soap-box. pontifications. How bout you & your friends do what me & mine did which is take responsibility for your own actions let alone blame a good guy for something he'd never do? I've seen the guy singing this song in action for almost 45 years and he never told us to do or take anything so spare me.
nickgui 1 year ago
@glaetze The guy sining this song is 70+ years young happy healthy great guy and still rocking. Maybe your talking about your friends, who like you, have nothing to do with this band and song. Maybe your NOT as holy as you think you are.
nickgui 1 year ago
Damn.. John Cipollina .. post The Fool
edhanlan 2 years ago
It deserves more reactions
joss29mx 3 years ago
"...And it shall cause your tower to fall."
JackJamesElias 3 years ago
"Pride of Man". That's what wrecked "the movement". The wandering pennyless vagabonds on Haight & Clayton .. while Jerry and "leaders" lived in oppulence in Mill Valley
sparkyization 2 years ago
From what I remember of those times, most of us *wanted* to be wandering and penniless and vagabonds.
"Not all who wander are lost. And not all that glitters is gold."
clotho98 2 years ago 34
Yes!. Pennyless by choice, Breakin' on through to the other side, Loosing the bonds of convention and the status quo! Leaving the plastic fantastic in the dustbin of history!
Somebody fucked up. Look at this now. We're right back where we started ... and it's gotten worse. But enough of that for now. Let's have another hit ,,, of fresh air (insert winky smiley thumbs up icon here)!
sparkyization 2 years ago
pennyless? Quicksilver was certainly NOT . They were the last major SF group to sign a record deal . The wanted MORE MONEY . God Bless the hippies ( I was there in 1966
oaklandborn 2 years ago
@clotho98 You got that right Brother. If that other person is referring to Jerry Garcia, he never lived in " Oppulence " I was still crashing with him and Mountain Girl at the pad they kept on Masonic. What does " oppulence " mean to this person? Mattresses with blankets? Happy Trails to you!
MsPatty1952 1 year ago 2
@clotho98 So true. We are lucky souls to have grown up during those times.
phakit 1 year ago 13
@phakit i really do envy your generation. growing up now sucks, everybody my age knows it and feels it.
yellowsunshinerain 1 month ago
@phakit i envy you guys sooooooooo much!!!!!!!
leuwenharty 3 weeks ago
@sparkyization Jerry didn't live in Mill Valley, Bet that's just the start of what you don't know about any of it besides what you read. The wandering broke kids showed up from outta town and didn't have anything to do with why it was a great place before they showed up, with flowers in their hair from that Hype song out of LA. Jerry was a good guy but he wasn't anybody I know "leader" and he wasn't into that any way. Oppulence? Dead QMS in 68? Yeah right.
nickgui 1 year ago
@sparkyization Give it a rest. Everyone had their own path to trod. For most, neither Haight-Ashbury or Mill Valley were their final destinations. Don't get lost in the past.
cyberoid 1 year ago
@cyberoid I hear you, Bro'. It's a whole 'nuther world today. We can't dwell on what's past. Onward to the path before us! And when travelin' days are over, we shall walk the streets of gold!!
sparkyization 1 year ago
Quicksilver Messenger Service and The Greatful Dead were known in those days as "The Quick and the Dead." It's a matter of taste and temperment, of course, but I always felt Quicksilver was the more powerful and deep inspired band. I ran into Hamilton Kamp, who wrote Pride of Man, in 1970 in a coffee house in San Diego were was doing a gig. He told me he wrote Pride of Man with the Bible open in an inspired moment.
JackJamesElias 3 years ago 2
Excellent!
Billboy10 3 years ago
I can't believe no comments on one of the best bands of the sixties with two fabulous lead guitarists, Gary Duncan and John Cipolina. Their sound has been copied by so many guitar players since then. Their best is Gold and Silver from the same album.
michrigan 3 years ago 4
kick ass rock and roll
samuelmmiller 3 years ago 2