Good ending. Very Disney-ish. But I also like very much the novelization from Alan Dean Foster (he also did the book adaptation for Alien).
****SPOILER FROM THE BOOK*****
I like the fact of them dissolving and making their minds one whole, while their materic substance dissappears and scatters throughout the whole universe. They end up having little cells of themselves distributed by different galaxies, planets and nebulosas... But existing as an inmortal, peaceful and colective conscience
I always wanted someone to do a sequel in some form to this movie. Whether it would be a movie, book or even comic book. I'd love to know what happened when they got thru and where they were.
...I recall first seeing this at a cinema in Cazenovia NY...made such an impression on this teenager, the depiction of Hades, and Barry's powerful soundtrack.
& so Maximillian Schell ends up inside Maximillian's shell. After what looks like Disney's idea of future human/hardshell mating viz. energetically centrifugally singularity-hentai.
I saw this at the pictures as a kid and remember being impressed with this Dante-esque ending, but so disappointed otherwise I was hoping that, when they all stopped spinning, they would take that little3P0/R2 bleep-fag meld of a shitty tincan excuse for a robot & do something cosmically unspeakable to it
This movie I liked as a kid this ending scared me. Seems the Dr became one with his robot maximilion and ended spending eternity in the Hell part of the black hole.
Actually it is theoretically possible to travel through a black hole. According to latest findings, at the center of every black hole is an unstable wormhole that could be used to travel to other places. If you could find a big enough black hole which the gravity is spread too far out to cause spaghettification, launch anti-gravity negative mass matter into the black hole around the event horizon to hold it open, and head in from a direction which avoids the debri and radiation, it is possible.
Well, there are rumors that Max may be the reincarnation (or the transformed) Frank McGray, but no official confirmation on that. I hope they keep the original Max and CYGNUS Design for the remake, incl. the epic interior shots of the ship. Also the soundtrack. And what about Schell returning as Reinhardt? now he has the perfect age and look!
Think the TRON LEGACY guys will to it. But the simply have to keep those iconic things as mentioned below! an prequel would also be great, showing the mutiny of the crew. AND, most important thing, disney hast to rerelease the original restored and remastered movie on Blu-Ray!
The black hole/white fountain EPR bridge takes the probe/Cygnus/et al ANA (in sense of 4th dimensional kata and ana space) which corresponds with hell (same idea as film Event Horizon). The "planet" at the end the probe ship flies to from the white founatin is Kolob, which in ancient biblical myth is the planet "closest to gods throne". Kate's father is imprisoned in Maximillian and he and Reinhardt switch places, as prev posters alude to when they are in ANA-space (90 degrees "down" from here
i forgot how 'trippy' this film was....gonna havta get it now! saw it in the drive in when i was like 5...the red robot spooked me crazy! back when disney had ballzonies....and catered to a more 'intelligent' viewer...
alan dean foster...and disney ...plus our creator are smart cookies.....if you like this film.......check out the new battlstar galactica...the big battle and rescue at the end .....right by a black hole.......doctor who ....the impossible planet ....right by a black hole.....and the crystal (christ) conciousness doctor number 10 pulls them back fom the brink.......... the ending of this film is above most peoples comprehension..... but humanity is getting there.......slowly
And I think I speak for millions of sci-fi and Disney fans when I ask, "WTF was *that* ??!!" It scared the Hell out of me when I was a kid, and I'm not exactly thrilled with it now.... So, inside a black hole is a Hades of your own making, unless you have ESP or are a hunky astronaut.
Makes perfect sense.
And this was a Disney movie that rumor has is it is going to be remade in the near future.
Zaniest ending to a Disney movie - never understood as a kid tho it left a nasty taste and some weird thoughts. Now as adult I can see it is a take on the end of 2001. The good crew end up in a heavenly surrounding, the evil end up in a hell. It may be in the mind, a psychological reaction to the shock of time travel. The new galaxy at the end of the black hole is unknown but the novel states it as new. Robot Maximillian joins with Reinhard, ironic as actors name is Maximillian
Earlier in the film, Reinhardt says to Kate "Save me from Maximillian" There is never any further explanation as to what he means. Then at the end we see her eye close up which transitions into the Hell sequence. So she's seeing this real or imagined. From there we see Reinhardt in the churchy place. She freed him from Hell and Max with her "telepahty". By the way when I saw this in 79 my dad had to carry me out of the theater crying and screaming from this scene
@wcleere THat wasn't Reinhardt leaving Hell. It was the spirit of her father freed from Maximillian while Hans is sentenced to take his placwe within theshell of his own crreation
@ReverendSyn I've heard that and it makes sense, but I just don't see any evidence in the film that suggests that. I've heard that earlier drafts had reference to that, but I've never found any proof of that.
I heard that one of the original drafts of the script revealed that Kate's father, the first officer of The Cygnus, was punished by Reinhardt (after trying to seize control of the ship and return to Earth) by being lobotomised and imprisoned in Maximillian. At the end, that's why Reinhardt is imprisoned in his place in Hell and Kate's father's soul is shown freed and going to Heaven! Flakey explanation, but I haven't heard a better one!! Great movie.
@hawkke1 Yeah, The Black Hole wasn't nearly as boring as 2001 because, warts and all, I manage to stay awake every time I watch it, which I cannot say the same about 2001.
it was the hell rienhardt had created.......we can all make our own hell hole ......and thats jesus at the end ( yeshua ben josef ) telling you to come follow me ( or if your wise enough follow my lead......) and you are saved.....so return the favour born agains go and save someone.......usually from themselves..............god loves you ....peace out dudes .......and rip john barry
I always was perplexed by the yin yang type effect at the very end that shows Maximillian in Hell & then Rhineheart's spirit flying through a celestial corridor to heaven no doubt. Was it saying that there was as redeaming side to Dr. Rhineheart? I cannot help but thinking of the Hindu god Shiva whenever I see Maximillian standing there on Mount Hell. And those dark hooded figures, and the foreboding music.....it brings out my inner child screaming as he is rehaunted by this scene once more.
Turns out the "black hole" is a wormhole, and at the other end the Palomino survivors are spun out as particles, single-atom chunks of them materializing across the universe. There is no pain, though, and they all retain some kind of mutual consciousness -- Foster refers to it as "something that was KateCharlieDanandVincent" (yes, Vincent gets in on it too), and suggests that they still have some effect on the universe from their unique vantage point.
@clovelywindheaven Oh, and another thing... If it was a wormhole, why would it have such a strong gravitational pull? Wormholes don't have matter to them.
@Zucca101 theoretically some black holes can be linked together like a wormhole, but is not a wormhole in the conventional sense. it is called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge. Reindhart makes reference to this in the movie because he thinks it might be a possibility "stay as long as you can at the event horizon, there might be an Einstein-Rosen bridge to consider"... there are several variations that a black hole can take other then just a tunnel to a singularity.
@winxclubstarz99 Dude this movie was made in 1979 they did'nt know the difference between black holes & wormholes then. Back then they only Just discovered that black holes were acturally real. Also everything that scienctists say about black holes is all Virtually Theoretical Since the closest black hole is over 5000 light years away & is To far to be 100% Certain. Scientists think the Singularity is what is in the Absolute center of a black hole. But to be Frank no one knows that to be true.
@hawkke1 You kidding right, this film had bad acting and horrible costuming and special affects even for its time. People keep saying how much they liked this movie but I just don't get it. You don't need to compare it to good films to realize this is crap.
@loveunderlaw Oh I'm sorry for having a dissenting opinion. Compared to this yes I would rather watch the Simpsons, at least that way I can be somewhat entertained. This movie was trying too hard to be like the other sci-fi movies and took ideas from other films (2001 and Star Wars) with disastrous results. You know why Black Hole isn't considered one of the classic sci-fi films? Because it isn't and stop trying to make it into one.
In the official Disney Read-Along recording and illustrated story book, the crew in the probe ship emerge safely on the other side of the black hole, while the Cygnus is "crushed like an eggshell". The story ends with Captain Holland saying "We've been trained to find new worlds. Let's go find one for ourselves." In this version, the characters of Booth and Durant are actually absent from the story, likely censored to avoid the explanation of the characters' deaths.
Four issues were published. The first two issues adapted the film and the second two issues continued the story introducing a race of people called Virlights. The rare fourth issue concludes with the promise of a fifth issue which was planned but never published. Other comic adaptations released in Europe have the crew emerging into another galaxy, thus confirming Reinhardt's theories. While wondering if they will ever return to Earth, they decide to explore this new universe.
One comic book adaptation of the film (Whitman comics, published in 1980) bypasses the whole issue of what happens inside the black hole by having the crew enter the black hole on one page and emerge apparently unharmed on the next page into a parallel universe where they encounter alternate versions of Reinhardt, Old B.O.B. and Maximilian.
In Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the film, as the probe ship crosses the event horizon, all matter ceases to exist. Kate's ESP links the minds of the Palomino's crew and allows them to survive (in a fashion) while the atoms of their bodies diffuse and are scattered throughout the Universe. (In one version of the book, the events depicted in the film start on Christmas Eve).
i remember when i was a kid i thought they "passed through" the black hole and entered a new universe. now it looks to me like they died and went to heaven.
This was an odd movie. It was a kid's movie trying to be more adult,and this ending certainly proves that! That" Hell" sequence is still kinda creepy all these years later.
I saw the film as a child and this scene scared the shit out of me. I know the science of this film is complete bullshit but the story is interesting . My interpretation is that Reinhardt and Maximillian lost in another universe become one as man ad machine and become rulers of a hell like planet , perhaps some Dantes inferno concepts thrown while the Palimino goes through this quasi Christian proto concept which is why you see a angel.
@vorlonb3 Same here. But I think that what it's getting at, apparently, is that Dr Rhinehart, being evil, went to hell, and the others being good, came through the other side of the black hole alive and presumably having seen God... (?) That is what I get from it.
The end of this movie fucked me up for a long time. I was only 4 when it came out, so you could imagine my confusion/horror at the end. It's really sad that major studios today won't bring us the same mind-fuck experiences that this movie could.
I said major studios, btw. If you've ever seen "Primer" then you know what a modern day mind-fuck is! 2004, albeit, but still modern.
As a 7 yr old kid, this movie was great sci fi in between Star Wars movies. I bought trading cards, action figures, and the comic version. Saw it at a drive-in double feature, had to suffer through Sleeping Beauty first.
The end freaked me out but these explanations seem to make sense. I never really "got it" before.
There was a Beyond the Black Hole comic issue where the crew reencounters the Cygnus on the other side. Pretty cheezy.
It's weird because this is not a religious movie by any means but the hell sequence is one of the best ones I've ever seen - still even with all the modern affects we have today. It's actually really creepy!
i think it's a 2001: A Space Odyssey type ending. they were dead. or in another universe. or in hell. or something... i don't think the writers knew what they wanted!
i went and saw this when i was 7 at its release and it trumatized me. i guess 7 year olds back then weren't subjected to the adult world of sex and violence that they are today.
Besides TRON,DRAGONSLAYER and CONDORMAN..Was one the best movies i ever see in my childhood...very dark,very mysterius,very strange...I always says that this movie is one of the best sci fi movies of the 80's...I miss this kind of movies!!!!
What an incredibly brave thing to attempt in Disney's first PG film. This would never be done today. It would have the usual banal, derivative and ending same as all other films.
There´s a theory going around that Maximilian was really Kate´s father trapped inside this robot shell by Reinhardt. Unable to do anything and forced to watch inside this prison of metal, he only got out when Vincent destroyed Maximilian.
And so like Kate´s father Reinhardt was himself imprisoned in this metal cage unable to move forever stationed on the top of the mountain all he would be able to do for all eternity would be to watch.
@Erikjust That would explain so much. Like how Max always glared at the other humans when the robots were around. That and how the film director kept showing how Max always took and interest in the minutiae of Cygnus life. Would be a much better explanation for the "angel" than the "redemption" of Reindhart theory!
I would love to be turned into a robot; I would be the perfect fusion of man and machine. It's a dream I have always had, and one day I hope that it will come true
The only two really remarkable things in this movie were Maximilian Schell and of course the brilliant score by John Barry - which still sounds in my ear after so many years...
So, let me get this straight, they went through the black hole, passed through heaven and hell, and now they're back at some planet (which I assume is earth) and that's it? Kinda confusing, BUT SO COOL!!!!!!
@TF2Fan101 TF2 I think the planet is supposed to be Kolob (I knew the guy who wrote the original screenplay, this is per him, honest no shit lol). Kolob is "supposedly" the planet nearest to God's throne; whatever that means...i dunno but i thought that the fact someone knew what kolob was was kinda cool lol.
@sevilami Isn't Kolob something from Mormon doctrine? I'm not an authority on the subject - I'm not even Christian, but that's what I've read (well, looked up on Wikipedia if that counts for anything). Battlestar Galactica (the original series, not the new one) I think was written by a Mormon as well (Kobol - easy anagram of Kolob). Still, I'd reckon the Mormons are saner than those freaky Scientologists controlling today's film industry, Scientology isn't even a religion IMO...{shudder}
@KangarusGyrfalcon Yes thats correct from my understanding. The screenwriter wasnt religious at all, or Mormon, but used their concept (and yes I've read about how Kobol from BG is an allusion also). Im not Mormon, but I appreciate that use of the concept of a "planet closest to God's throne" so I think it's pretty cool, but I agree with you and your analysis. What influences of Scientology can you point out in movies? Id be interesting in knowing just to be able to freak out others thnx
@sevilami I was more thinking the financial influence of Scientologists in much of the higher ranks of acting and some directing (Tom Cruise a major example) than anything else. But I guess the movie Phenomenon (starring John Travolta, himself a Scientologist) may be a mild example, what with the brain tumour operation needing to kill the main character to analyse the enhanced activity being illustrative of Hubbard's extreme disdain of mind sciences (psychology and psychiatry, that is...)
@hawkke1 What happens in the novel? I'd love to know what the writer penned vs. the film imagery. Michelangelo is supposed to have painted Kate because he envisioned her trip in the future or something? Wow
@hawkke1 I know him hawkke what do you want to know lol? Actually, I agree with you, its a Rorshach test and you see what you want. The actual implied meaning was obviously Hell damnation and then deliverance to "Heaven" and then the crew emerging to fly to Kolob (which is ancient Hebrew texts/whatever was supposed to be the planet closest to God's Throne). I always thought it was actually pretty cool for Disney to stretch out like this, but I agree its always left up to the viewer. My 2c.
I think its pretty well done for 1979(!) no CG, all model-work and, wait, get this...REAL FIRE OMG! its not digital. Lucas would have made the hell scene look so perfect and artificial in all it's CG resplendence it would probably look worse with the effects used today. Plus John Barry's erie score kicks ass. Sure its not great, but I still like it. :)
an ending i never got as a child, but now that i can understand it better, i never would've believed that disney would try to show hell, gotta give them props for that
never understood the end as a boy.......but as an adult .........its jesus bringing us back from the brink and saving our backsides..................well thats my interpretation........peace out dudes
@hawkke1 well congratulations to you for being such a smeg head i was simply stating my opinion of this film which many other critics agree with. americans are not very intellectualy inclined which is why movies like 2001 a space oddsey and other films like it are not popular with mainstream american movie goers movies like star trek and star wars are more to the american publics liking becuase things go BOOM every fifteen seconds this film fits into that category of infantile tomfoolery.
@hawkke1 well rarely do i see such thick wankers like yourself make such a rubbish comment. basing your views on humanity due to a movie is just pure nuttery mate this film was unscientific as well as unoriginal. disney should never ever make sci fi movies EVER! 2001 a space oddesey and its sequel was 50000 times better than this film which is utter shite i like my sci films to have depth and thought to it.
@fulcrum2000 exactly. For Disney this was groundbreaking--remember all Walt's company did was kiddie pablum this shit could fuck up a young kid. And the score is awesome--completely underated. I disagree with doctorw2 but hey thats what makes the world interesting.
I love this film. All these comments are very interesting. The theory about Frank McRae's soul trapped inside Max is flawed. Why would Frank be homicidal and try to kill his own daughter? If the original script is anything to go by, Reinhardt IS Maximillian, just as I've always known. He must have uploaded all his murderous intent and cruelty into a the perfect killing machine. That's why they merge in the end. Just as Kate and Vincent had a mental bond, so too did Reinhart and Max.
It is supposed to be heaven and hell, with the probe ship emerging from a white hole/fountain at the end and flying to Kolob, which in myth is the planet closest to God's throne (this comes from the original screenwriter for the film). And yes, Reinhardt was a clone, and he was uploaded into Maximillian (although you would never figure this out from the film) other than the reference from Kate to protect him (the clone) from the "real Reinhardt."
@tall32guy I dont disgagree--I am not Mormon, but I still feel that the mythopoeia of this concept is cool and added to my enjoyment of the interpretation of the denoument, but hey, it's just my 2c. Myth is fun to me, just like newspaper horoscopes are fun--I dont claim to believe them, but I enjoy the mental/spiritual stimulation esp. from educated screenplay writers.
The ending is just about the only memorable scene in the entire film. The Black Hole is "overlooked" for a reason - Disney decided to rip-off Star Wars etc but somehow thought that a key element of the fad's appeal was casting sweaty, nylon-clad, middle-aged Hollywood C-listers. And that having Roddy McDowell voice a wheely-wastepaper bin was good enough for the 'faggy/cute robot' 2-in-1 role.
I see this ending as the spirit flying down the tunnel being Reinhardt's soul set free, whereas Maximillian becomes a soulless fusion of human / robot who presides over the souls of the damned (like Satan in Hell). The flames raging around the base of his mountain are the broken and burning remains of the Cygnus. A classic film and like TRON and the animated film "THE BLACK CAULDRON", it's hard to believe it was made by Disney!
I watched this in the theater as a child, did not understand the typeology contained in the ending. But today I understand that Reinhardt recieved his judgement in hell by become an eternal prisoner to his own creation. The part with the glass hallway and the angelic being represents Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."
@picc01 Nah...Isn't it weird that the only time a quote is submitted to these things it's always assumed to be Christian!?! I enjoyed the film when I was a kid and the ending was perfect - it was indeed spiritual and bizarre, exotic and surreal in equal measure - but at no point did I feel the need to impress upon my interpretation any religious beliefs. But that's just me.
@walter0bz I dont know where you get your info but there has never been a remake of the Black Hole> one is in talks! dont be one of those people that Affleck talks about in Jay and silent Bob strike Back
With a lot of help from the Holy Spirit after 31 years I got it. Reinhardt( the antichrist complete with a derived chi rho necklace) and Maximillian(the false prophet) are using technology ( Higgs boson and human blood sacrifice) the murder of Frank Mcray(refused the mark of the beast) the rest of the crew took the mark and gave up "free will" All of them trying to return to heaven via the black hole(stargate)they lose and are thrown alive into the lake of fire. This is the illuminati plan.
@TheMurphy45056 or could it be just a sci fi movie, and perhaps very little else? with a lot less meaning than you attribute to it.... i.e. mainly images used for suspense and effect, rather than actually containing a 'secret message'....
I just read on the Wikipedia article that it's speculated (that was the word used LOL) that Kate's father's soul was trapped inside Maximilian, and the angel or whatever it is flying through the glistening hallway was his soul released and going towards heaven. Very interesting! Hadn't thought of that before. Food for thought. :)
I had seen the film before once or twice, once in the 80's and once in the 90's, and didn't remember this part. Then I saw this recently, and found that i was disturbed by this scene! Just the music and the "scenery" I guess. It is a little eerie (but just a little to me, not scary or anything. LOL) Not sure if anyone else feels that way....
@tall32guy nope this shit freaked me out as a kid too, It felt like they were traveling through the afterlife, the ending is quite amazing when I think about it, it sure beats the typical ship blows up in background while are heros fly off *roll credits*
But yeah it has an eerie feeling about it, i always wondered if that mad doctor punishment was to spend his time in hell trapped inside that evil red robot he made, it makes sense really. now im older i see thats exactly what happend.
This movie looks like crap compared to 2001, but that's just because every film on the planet looks like crap compared to 2001 (even Avatar). Still, this looks great compared to all the crap that Disney puts out, and looks to be entertaining, although I don't think that they needed to make the end seem drug induced, but it's always cool to see that (pink elephants, anyone?)
Good ending. Very Disney-ish. But I also like very much the novelization from Alan Dean Foster (he also did the book adaptation for Alien).
****SPOILER FROM THE BOOK*****
I like the fact of them dissolving and making their minds one whole, while their materic substance dissappears and scatters throughout the whole universe. They end up having little cells of themselves distributed by different galaxies, planets and nebulosas... But existing as an inmortal, peaceful and colective conscience
Olaunis 3 days ago
I always wanted someone to do a sequel in some form to this movie. Whether it would be a movie, book or even comic book. I'd love to know what happened when they got thru and where they were.
Tiamat1156 2 weeks ago
...I recall first seeing this at a cinema in Cazenovia NY...made such an impression on this teenager, the depiction of Hades, and Barry's powerful soundtrack.
jwm239 4 weeks ago
more like the red hole. hahah
veeseee128 4 weeks ago
I love how the hallway and the arches even, appear to be paved with gold. Beautiful. :)
tall32guy 4 weeks ago
This is a very splendid movie. I became an adult and finally understood it.
eastCourant 1 month ago
that thing looks like sealab 2021s cleaning robot!
SeanDaPaulSeh 1 month ago
& so Maximillian Schell ends up inside Maximillian's shell. After what looks like Disney's idea of future human/hardshell mating viz. energetically centrifugally singularity-hentai.
I saw this at the pictures as a kid and remember being impressed with this Dante-esque ending, but so disappointed otherwise I was hoping that, when they all stopped spinning, they would take that little3P0/R2 bleep-fag meld of a shitty tincan excuse for a robot & do something cosmically unspeakable to it
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custardaghost 1 month ago
This movie I liked as a kid this ending scared me. Seems the Dr became one with his robot maximilion and ended spending eternity in the Hell part of the black hole.
veeseee128 1 month ago
@veeseee128 Yep. So it shall appear. :) He deserved it too.
tall32guy 4 weeks ago
only black hole i know is the one that leads to hell or shit
veeseee128 1 month ago
@veeseee128 Thats why they invented condoms - no ?
ogoboogo 1 month ago
Actually it is theoretically possible to travel through a black hole. According to latest findings, at the center of every black hole is an unstable wormhole that could be used to travel to other places. If you could find a big enough black hole which the gravity is spread too far out to cause spaghettification, launch anti-gravity negative mass matter into the black hole around the event horizon to hold it open, and head in from a direction which avoids the debri and radiation, it is possible.
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 month ago
Was Maximilian Kates father ?
ogoboogo 2 months ago
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Well, there are rumors that Max may be the reincarnation (or the transformed) Frank McGray, but no official confirmation on that. I hope they keep the original Max and CYGNUS Design for the remake, incl. the epic interior shots of the ship. Also the soundtrack. And what about Schell returning as Reinhardt? now he has the perfect age and look!
rapanzel666 1 month ago
@rapanzel666 as long as Michael Bay isnt involved i live in hope :)
ogoboogo 1 month ago
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Think the TRON LEGACY guys will to it. But the simply have to keep those iconic things as mentioned below! an prequel would also be great, showing the mutiny of the crew. AND, most important thing, disney hast to rerelease the original restored and remastered movie on Blu-Ray!
rapanzel666 1 month ago
2:43 Robot Porn! Max is going down on Rinehart!
colanderhead1971 2 months ago
1:20 TWO black holes....the Captain's nostrils! LOL
colanderhead1971 2 months ago
The black hole/white fountain EPR bridge takes the probe/Cygnus/et al ANA (in sense of 4th dimensional kata and ana space) which corresponds with hell (same idea as film Event Horizon). The "planet" at the end the probe ship flies to from the white founatin is Kolob, which in ancient biblical myth is the planet "closest to gods throne". Kate's father is imprisoned in Maximillian and he and Reinhardt switch places, as prev posters alude to when they are in ANA-space (90 degrees "down" from here
sevilami 2 months ago
i remember seeing this movie the theatre when i was 5, i was 20% scared, but 80% fascinated. its the reason love sifi, and hate magic
DarnellCotez 2 months ago
ラインハートとマクシミリアンが一緒になった場所は？
地獄？異次元の世界？？精神、概念の世界？
誰か教えて
TheKumadon 2 months ago
Maximillian was a kick-ass robot!
SonofCimmeria 3 months ago
and the latest trek film......big singularity at the end ....aka a black hole .....
unclemarty70 3 months ago
i forgot how 'trippy' this film was....gonna havta get it now! saw it in the drive in when i was like 5...the red robot spooked me crazy! back when disney had ballzonies....and catered to a more 'intelligent' viewer...
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zeta1ret 3 months ago
alan dean foster...and disney ...plus our creator are smart cookies.....if you like this film.......check out the new battlstar galactica...the big battle and rescue at the end .....right by a black hole.......doctor who ....the impossible planet ....right by a black hole.....and the crystal (christ) conciousness doctor number 10 pulls them back fom the brink.......... the ending of this film is above most peoples comprehension..... but humanity is getting there.......slowly
unclemarty70 3 months ago
@unclemarty70
Text/leet-speak is pathetic and irritating enough but your ellipsis-wank may have them entirely beat.
custardaghost 3 months ago
@custardaghost nepsis awake. ank, smile. very sillie. do you like our goriila. now play n-icely 007
unclemarty70 3 months ago
And I think I speak for millions of sci-fi and Disney fans when I ask, "WTF was *that* ??!!" It scared the Hell out of me when I was a kid, and I'm not exactly thrilled with it now.... So, inside a black hole is a Hades of your own making, unless you have ESP or are a hunky astronaut.
Makes perfect sense.
And this was a Disney movie that rumor has is it is going to be remade in the near future.
I can hardly wait. :-)
JoshuaTaylor 4 months ago 2
i would love to be permanently encased in the shell of a robot, as long as i could be a badass and have lots of guns, rocket launchers, etc.
porkwilliam 4 months ago
Maximillian deserved a much better movie.
oogmond1 4 months ago
I hate that fuckin movie!
FletchersVisions 4 months ago
I was 19, took my young brother Lee, he was 10. I think i liked it more as a Barry fan
johnbarry007 4 months ago in playlist JOHN BARRY
This is what happens when cheesy fantasy writers sell themselves as science fiction writers. Black Whore was bad in '79 and still is bad.
duffh 5 months ago
Zaniest ending to a Disney movie - never understood as a kid tho it left a nasty taste and some weird thoughts. Now as adult I can see it is a take on the end of 2001. The good crew end up in a heavenly surrounding, the evil end up in a hell. It may be in the mind, a psychological reaction to the shock of time travel. The new galaxy at the end of the black hole is unknown but the novel states it as new. Robot Maximillian joins with Reinhard, ironic as actors name is Maximillian
LiteracyLabyrinth2 5 months ago
Earlier in the film, Reinhardt says to Kate "Save me from Maximillian" There is never any further explanation as to what he means. Then at the end we see her eye close up which transitions into the Hell sequence. So she's seeing this real or imagined. From there we see Reinhardt in the churchy place. She freed him from Hell and Max with her "telepahty". By the way when I saw this in 79 my dad had to carry me out of the theater crying and screaming from this scene
wcleere 5 months ago
@wcleere THat wasn't Reinhardt leaving Hell. It was the spirit of her father freed from Maximillian while Hans is sentenced to take his placwe within theshell of his own crreation
ReverendSyn 5 months ago 2
@ReverendSyn I've heard that and it makes sense, but I just don't see any evidence in the film that suggests that. I've heard that earlier drafts had reference to that, but I've never found any proof of that.
wcleere 5 months ago
@wcleere Look at it this way, nothing in the film outright DENIES the possibilities
ReverendSyn 4 months ago
@ReverendSyn I never thought of it that way! I always thought it was Jesus/God but your explanation makes more sense. :)
tall32guy 4 weeks ago
I heard that one of the original drafts of the script revealed that Kate's father, the first officer of The Cygnus, was punished by Reinhardt (after trying to seize control of the ship and return to Earth) by being lobotomised and imprisoned in Maximillian. At the end, that's why Reinhardt is imprisoned in his place in Hell and Kate's father's soul is shown freed and going to Heaven! Flakey explanation, but I haven't heard a better one!! Great movie.
whinger1996 5 months ago
@hawkke1 Yeah, The Black Hole wasn't nearly as boring as 2001 because, warts and all, I manage to stay awake every time I watch it, which I cannot say the same about 2001.
maytrikks 5 months ago
Master chief was like
what the fuck just shot out of the sky
Doomhoffman 6 months ago
it was the hell rienhardt had created.......we can all make our own hell hole ......and thats jesus at the end ( yeshua ben josef ) telling you to come follow me ( or if your wise enough follow my lead......) and you are saved.....so return the favour born agains go and save someone.......usually from themselves..............god loves you ....peace out dudes .......and rip john barry
unclemarty70 6 months ago
I always was perplexed by the yin yang type effect at the very end that shows Maximillian in Hell & then Rhineheart's spirit flying through a celestial corridor to heaven no doubt. Was it saying that there was as redeaming side to Dr. Rhineheart? I cannot help but thinking of the Hindu god Shiva whenever I see Maximillian standing there on Mount Hell. And those dark hooded figures, and the foreboding music.....it brings out my inner child screaming as he is rehaunted by this scene once more.
YambidiBlamBlam 6 months ago
fucked up.. but ill still watch the remake.
ZackTheCarpenterFR 6 months ago
The movie ending sucked...
BOOK ENDING:
Turns out the "black hole" is a wormhole, and at the other end the Palomino survivors are spun out as particles, single-atom chunks of them materializing across the universe. There is no pain, though, and they all retain some kind of mutual consciousness -- Foster refers to it as "something that was KateCharlieDanandVincent" (yes, Vincent gets in on it too), and suggests that they still have some effect on the universe from their unique vantage point.
clovelywindheaven 7 months ago
@clovelywindheaven So... they die and are scattered to eternity in a state of unlife and you say the movie ending sucked...?
I don't think 'hoity toity' would begin to describe ya', pal...
Zucca101 6 months ago
@clovelywindheaven Oh, and another thing... If it was a wormhole, why would it have such a strong gravitational pull? Wormholes don't have matter to them.
Zucca101 6 months ago
@Zucca101 theoretically some black holes can be linked together like a wormhole, but is not a wormhole in the conventional sense. it is called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge. Reindhart makes reference to this in the movie because he thinks it might be a possibility "stay as long as you can at the event horizon, there might be an Einstein-Rosen bridge to consider"... there are several variations that a black hole can take other then just a tunnel to a singularity.
Doug19752533 5 months ago
What's that gold robot thing?
Samuraislash600 7 months ago
still credited as the darkest disney movie ending ever
Firesong01 8 months ago
What a Great movie & even Greater soundtrack SO Epic. I'd Love them to do a remake on this movie
Darthmalak12 8 months ago
@Darthmalak12 No. No No! Leave it alone.!
sonicstep 6 months ago
well aint that a fake blackholes dont do that. that might be a wormhole there they in
winxclubstarz99 8 months ago
@winxclubstarz99 Dude this movie was made in 1979 they did'nt know the difference between black holes & wormholes then. Back then they only Just discovered that black holes were acturally real. Also everything that scienctists say about black holes is all Virtually Theoretical Since the closest black hole is over 5000 light years away & is To far to be 100% Certain. Scientists think the Singularity is what is in the Absolute center of a black hole. But to be Frank no one knows that to be true.
Darthmalak12 8 months ago
@hawkke1 You kidding right, this film had bad acting and horrible costuming and special affects even for its time. People keep saying how much they liked this movie but I just don't get it. You don't need to compare it to good films to realize this is crap.
cafiwam 8 months ago
@cafiwam It's "crap" only to a simpleton like yourself that would would much rather be watching The Simpsons...
loveunderlaw 8 months ago
@loveunderlaw Oh I'm sorry for having a dissenting opinion. Compared to this yes I would rather watch the Simpsons, at least that way I can be somewhat entertained. This movie was trying too hard to be like the other sci-fi movies and took ideas from other films (2001 and Star Wars) with disastrous results. You know why Black Hole isn't considered one of the classic sci-fi films? Because it isn't and stop trying to make it into one.
cafiwam 8 months ago
@cafiwam Doh! BAAART KNOCK IT OFF !!!
loveunderlaw 8 months ago
Fucking Disney.
CrabtechIndustries 8 months ago
In the official Disney Read-Along recording and illustrated story book, the crew in the probe ship emerge safely on the other side of the black hole, while the Cygnus is "crushed like an eggshell". The story ends with Captain Holland saying "We've been trained to find new worlds. Let's go find one for ourselves." In this version, the characters of Booth and Durant are actually absent from the story, likely censored to avoid the explanation of the characters' deaths.
mrrictus 8 months ago
Four issues were published. The first two issues adapted the film and the second two issues continued the story introducing a race of people called Virlights. The rare fourth issue concludes with the promise of a fifth issue which was planned but never published. Other comic adaptations released in Europe have the crew emerging into another galaxy, thus confirming Reinhardt's theories. While wondering if they will ever return to Earth, they decide to explore this new universe.
mrrictus 8 months ago 2
One comic book adaptation of the film (Whitman comics, published in 1980) bypasses the whole issue of what happens inside the black hole by having the crew enter the black hole on one page and emerge apparently unharmed on the next page into a parallel universe where they encounter alternate versions of Reinhardt, Old B.O.B. and Maximilian.
mrrictus 8 months ago
In Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the film, as the probe ship crosses the event horizon, all matter ceases to exist. Kate's ESP links the minds of the Palomino's crew and allows them to survive (in a fashion) while the atoms of their bodies diffuse and are scattered throughout the Universe. (In one version of the book, the events depicted in the film start on Christmas Eve).
mrrictus 8 months ago
i remember when i was a kid i thought they "passed through" the black hole and entered a new universe. now it looks to me like they died and went to heaven.
movitmovit 8 months ago 2
This was an odd movie. It was a kid's movie trying to be more adult,and this ending certainly proves that! That" Hell" sequence is still kinda creepy all these years later.
Mymumsey1 9 months ago
wow...
Brickman274 9 months ago
I saw the film as a child and this scene scared the shit out of me. I know the science of this film is complete bullshit but the story is interesting . My interpretation is that Reinhardt and Maximillian lost in another universe become one as man ad machine and become rulers of a hell like planet , perhaps some Dantes inferno concepts thrown while the Palimino goes through this quasi Christian proto concept which is why you see a angel.
godstomper 9 months ago 2
My God its full of stars!!! (yes I know wrong movie, I just wanted to say it)
ricofico 10 months ago 14
30 years on and the end still baffles the hell out of me.....:-)
vorlonb3 10 months ago 5
@vorlonb3 Same here. But I think that what it's getting at, apparently, is that Dr Rhinehart, being evil, went to hell, and the others being good, came through the other side of the black hole alive and presumably having seen God... (?) That is what I get from it.
tall32guy 4 weeks ago
@defenceman619 Hardly, you petulant little puke. Besides, there's only one Transformers sequel so far.
cjwright79 10 months ago
Hey that's the same fucked up place the Event Horizon warped into.
screamwriter1 10 months ago
The end of this movie fucked me up for a long time. I was only 4 when it came out, so you could imagine my confusion/horror at the end. It's really sad that major studios today won't bring us the same mind-fuck experiences that this movie could.
I said major studios, btw. If you've ever seen "Primer" then you know what a modern day mind-fuck is! 2004, albeit, but still modern.
rvdsm 10 months ago
I saw this when it came out, and I somehow forgot just how mind-bending a movie it was.
ardashir51 10 months ago
This......was actually made by Disney? @___@
Headbanger142 10 months ago
Then they all turn into Giant man-feotuses in bubbles.
reddalek555 10 months ago
The fact that cpresspomf yo a black hole are totally off… but I guess that's how people make movies
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1ONE101 10 months ago
The facts are totally off with a black hole....... But I guess that's how to make a movie....
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1ONE101 10 months ago
Watching this vid while stoned out of your face would lead to some revelations I think.
TheXand19 11 months ago
"Reinhardt Goes To Hell/Reinhardt's Redemption" is what I call that sequence.
VicGeorge2K6 11 months ago
Goddamn these metaphysical bullshit movies... this and 2001.
cjwright79 11 months ago
@cjwright79 back to the Transformer sequels for you then.
Defenseman619 10 months ago
@hawkke1 woah woah.... R2D2 and C3PO!
Goldendroid 11 months ago
Still the most scary hellscape I've ever seen in films, and I'm 40....
cajam0710 11 months ago 31
@cajam0710
This is the film that got me into Sci-fi when I was only 5 years old.
n0rth 9 months ago 2
As a 7 yr old kid, this movie was great sci fi in between Star Wars movies. I bought trading cards, action figures, and the comic version. Saw it at a drive-in double feature, had to suffer through Sleeping Beauty first.
The end freaked me out but these explanations seem to make sense. I never really "got it" before.
There was a Beyond the Black Hole comic issue where the crew reencounters the Cygnus on the other side. Pretty cheezy.
OUmillenium 4 months ago
I got bored and ordered a BH coloring book for my son off ebay for $10 bucks like the one I had as a kid as well as a new comic version.
Broke out the 20yr anniversary VHS and watched it Friday. Awesome
OUmillenium 4 months ago
R.I.P. John Barry. Along with Basil Poledouris you shall never be forgotten because your music will survive!
Hexenhammer666 11 months ago
An amazing score by the Guv'nor......RIP John Barry
daveghaxton 1 year ago
The music score (John Barry?) is genius. The film was shit but the Maximillian/hell ending montages were worth sitting through it for.
krakenwave 1 year ago
It's weird because this is not a religious movie by any means but the hell sequence is one of the best ones I've ever seen - still even with all the modern affects we have today. It's actually really creepy!
Dalessiokiller 1 year ago 2
Nope sorry, still don't get it
BLACKPUMPS2010 1 year ago
lol 2:38 saddam
Jauly 1 year ago
As a six year old in '79, I never understood the ending of this movie. I do recall my dad saying Reinhardt went to hell. It really wierded me out.
mattdawg83686 1 year ago 2
I remember seeing this in the theater, and when Reinhardt pops up in frame I nearly shat myself almost 32 years ago!
mattdawg83686 1 year ago
man, 78 and 79 was a great year for sci/fi this, Alien and Star Trek TMP.
pretty damn good
Colton5 1 year ago 3
now here's a movie that should be remade in the 3D world. imagine what Chris Nolan or David Fincher could do with this story.
Kajsrj 1 year ago
03:32, i swear to god, they carry something!!!
BigFatCode 1 year ago
Soooo people in floating in space can live and survive before converting themselves to their robot shell? Disney can suck it
lostone13 1 year ago
@lostone13
i think it's a 2001: A Space Odyssey type ending. they were dead. or in another universe. or in hell. or something... i don't think the writers knew what they wanted!
the81kid 1 year ago
i went and saw this when i was 7 at its release and it trumatized me. i guess 7 year olds back then weren't subjected to the adult world of sex and violence that they are today.
80sOGRE 1 year ago
Besides TRON,DRAGONSLAYER and CONDORMAN..Was one the best movies i ever see in my childhood...very dark,very mysterius,very strange...I always says that this movie is one of the best sci fi movies of the 80's...I miss this kind of movies!!!!
romeonarcizo 1 year ago
What an incredibly brave thing to attempt in Disney's first PG film. This would never be done today. It would have the usual banal, derivative and ending same as all other films.
TrevWks 1 year ago
i just hoped they would show what happens next what world could that have been they visited
staticmunk7777 1 year ago
whoa
cocaine is a powerful drug
DrCHUD666 1 year ago
Holy crap, I saw this when I was like 8 and that hell scene gave me nightmares. Even now it kinda makes my skin crawl.
pruje 1 year ago
Better than Crapatar
MrBlockishMark 1 year ago
There´s a theory going around that Maximilian was really Kate´s father trapped inside this robot shell by Reinhardt. Unable to do anything and forced to watch inside this prison of metal, he only got out when Vincent destroyed Maximilian.
And so like Kate´s father Reinhardt was himself imprisoned in this metal cage unable to move forever stationed on the top of the mountain all he would be able to do for all eternity would be to watch.
Quite a fitting punishment if tis true.
Erikjust 1 year ago 3
@Erikjust That would explain so much. Like how Max always glared at the other humans when the robots were around. That and how the film director kept showing how Max always took and interest in the minutiae of Cygnus life. Would be a much better explanation for the "angel" than the "redemption" of Reindhart theory!
archangel72367 5 months ago 2
I would love to be turned into a robot; I would be the perfect fusion of man and machine. It's a dream I have always had, and one day I hope that it will come true
magnatron2010 1 year ago
k but a black hole is Infinite no end only infinity
TotalGameMaster 1 year ago
The only two really remarkable things in this movie were Maximilian Schell and of course the brilliant score by John Barry - which still sounds in my ear after so many years...
not underrated but rightly forgotten.
Hexenhammer666 1 year ago
@Hexenhammer666
Right - the music for this end sequence was fuckin brilliant.
custardaghost 1 year ago
So, let me get this straight, they went through the black hole, passed through heaven and hell, and now they're back at some planet (which I assume is earth) and that's it? Kinda confusing, BUT SO COOL!!!!!!
TF2Fan101 1 year ago
@TF2Fan101 TF2 I think the planet is supposed to be Kolob (I knew the guy who wrote the original screenplay, this is per him, honest no shit lol). Kolob is "supposedly" the planet nearest to God's throne; whatever that means...i dunno but i thought that the fact someone knew what kolob was was kinda cool lol.
sevilami 1 year ago
@sevilami Isn't Kolob something from Mormon doctrine? I'm not an authority on the subject - I'm not even Christian, but that's what I've read (well, looked up on Wikipedia if that counts for anything). Battlestar Galactica (the original series, not the new one) I think was written by a Mormon as well (Kobol - easy anagram of Kolob). Still, I'd reckon the Mormons are saner than those freaky Scientologists controlling today's film industry, Scientology isn't even a religion IMO...{shudder}
KangarusGyrfalcon 1 year ago
@KangarusGyrfalcon Yes thats correct from my understanding. The screenwriter wasnt religious at all, or Mormon, but used their concept (and yes I've read about how Kobol from BG is an allusion also). Im not Mormon, but I appreciate that use of the concept of a "planet closest to God's throne" so I think it's pretty cool, but I agree with you and your analysis. What influences of Scientology can you point out in movies? Id be interesting in knowing just to be able to freak out others thnx
sevilami 1 year ago
@sevilami I was more thinking the financial influence of Scientologists in much of the higher ranks of acting and some directing (Tom Cruise a major example) than anything else. But I guess the movie Phenomenon (starring John Travolta, himself a Scientologist) may be a mild example, what with the brain tumour operation needing to kill the main character to analyse the enhanced activity being illustrative of Hubbard's extreme disdain of mind sciences (psychology and psychiatry, that is...)
KangarusGyrfalcon 1 year ago
@hawkke1 What happens in the novel? I'd love to know what the writer penned vs. the film imagery. Michelangelo is supposed to have painted Kate because he envisioned her trip in the future or something? Wow
sevilami 1 year ago
@hawkke1 I know him hawkke what do you want to know lol? Actually, I agree with you, its a Rorshach test and you see what you want. The actual implied meaning was obviously Hell damnation and then deliverance to "Heaven" and then the crew emerging to fly to Kolob (which is ancient Hebrew texts/whatever was supposed to be the planet closest to God's Throne). I always thought it was actually pretty cool for Disney to stretch out like this, but I agree its always left up to the viewer. My 2c.
sevilami 1 year ago
I think its pretty well done for 1979(!) no CG, all model-work and, wait, get this...REAL FIRE OMG! its not digital. Lucas would have made the hell scene look so perfect and artificial in all it's CG resplendence it would probably look worse with the effects used today. Plus John Barry's erie score kicks ass. Sure its not great, but I still like it. :)
sevilami 1 year ago
an ending i never got as a child, but now that i can understand it better, i never would've believed that disney would try to show hell, gotta give them props for that
ShelbyEleanor500 1 year ago
i am confused to fuck
painsey 1 year ago
in the books they survived
smartguest 1 year ago
never understood the end as a boy.......but as an adult .........its jesus bringing us back from the brink and saving our backsides..................well thats my interpretation........peace out dudes
unclemarty70 1 year ago
@hawkke1 well congratulations to you for being such a smeg head i was simply stating my opinion of this film which many other critics agree with. americans are not very intellectualy inclined which is why movies like 2001 a space oddsey and other films like it are not popular with mainstream american movie goers movies like star trek and star wars are more to the american publics liking becuase things go BOOM every fifteen seconds this film fits into that category of infantile tomfoolery.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@hawkke1 well rarely do i see such thick wankers like yourself make such a rubbish comment. basing your views on humanity due to a movie is just pure nuttery mate this film was unscientific as well as unoriginal. disney should never ever make sci fi movies EVER! 2001 a space oddesey and its sequel was 50000 times better than this film which is utter shite i like my sci films to have depth and thought to it.
doctorw2 1 year ago
@hawkke1 ........its just jesus bringing us back from the brink
unclemarti75 1 year ago
so, the other end of a blackhole is Mordor?
ustink0815 1 year ago
I wonder how much Dramamine you would need to take before flying into a black hole. :)
Akira625 1 year ago
this would never fly in today's PC World especially in Hollywood
ShadowAlex 1 year ago
When i was a kid, the hell sequence scared the shit out of me... and the score still gives me goosebumps.
One oft the most underrated movies ever.
fulcrum2000 1 year ago
@fulcrum2000 exactly. For Disney this was groundbreaking--remember all Walt's company did was kiddie pablum this shit could fuck up a young kid. And the score is awesome--completely underated. I disagree with doctorw2 but hey thats what makes the world interesting.
sevilami 1 year ago
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this film was rubbish it was nothing more than lost in space recycled very unoriginal.
doctorw2 1 year ago
Scary ending: Hell to Heaven...powerful for a family film in 1979
oldies1976 1 year ago
@oldies1976 Yep. I am of the opinion it's the darkest content ever in a Disney movie.
tall32guy 4 weeks ago 2
... And then an enormous baby sucking it's thumb hoves into view.
TreyRoque 1 year ago
so, now that we're through the black hole, where's the nearest Dunkin donuts?
miamigroove 1 year ago
Two words: Woah, and WHAT!?
raCteJ 1 year ago
I love this film. All these comments are very interesting. The theory about Frank McRae's soul trapped inside Max is flawed. Why would Frank be homicidal and try to kill his own daughter? If the original script is anything to go by, Reinhardt IS Maximillian, just as I've always known. He must have uploaded all his murderous intent and cruelty into a the perfect killing machine. That's why they merge in the end. Just as Kate and Vincent had a mental bond, so too did Reinhart and Max.
johnedsel 1 year ago
It is supposed to be heaven and hell, with the probe ship emerging from a white hole/fountain at the end and flying to Kolob, which in myth is the planet closest to God's throne (this comes from the original screenwriter for the film). And yes, Reinhardt was a clone, and he was uploaded into Maximillian (although you would never figure this out from the film) other than the reference from Kate to protect him (the clone) from the "real Reinhardt."
sevilami 1 year ago
@sevilami Kolob is a Mormon thing. The screenwriter must have been a Mormon. :-\ LOL
tall32guy 1 year ago
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sevilami 1 year ago
@tall32guy I dont disgagree--I am not Mormon, but I still feel that the mythopoeia of this concept is cool and added to my enjoyment of the interpretation of the denoument, but hey, it's just my 2c. Myth is fun to me, just like newspaper horoscopes are fun--I dont claim to believe them, but I enjoy the mental/spiritual stimulation esp. from educated screenplay writers.
sevilami 1 year ago
The ending is just about the only memorable scene in the entire film. The Black Hole is "overlooked" for a reason - Disney decided to rip-off Star Wars etc but somehow thought that a key element of the fad's appeal was casting sweaty, nylon-clad, middle-aged Hollywood C-listers. And that having Roddy McDowell voice a wheely-wastepaper bin was good enough for the 'faggy/cute robot' 2-in-1 role.
custardaghost 1 year ago
2,06 - supeeb score commences
custardaghost 1 year ago
I see this ending as the spirit flying down the tunnel being Reinhardt's soul set free, whereas Maximillian becomes a soulless fusion of human / robot who presides over the souls of the damned (like Satan in Hell). The flames raging around the base of his mountain are the broken and burning remains of the Cygnus. A classic film and like TRON and the animated film "THE BLACK CAULDRON", it's hard to believe it was made by Disney!
jcpadmore 1 year ago
a black hole does not function like that!
themanof5 1 year ago
I thought the movie was named space odyssey, but forgot the actual name of this movie. This was really something.
rohitvip 1 year ago
Sorry, I like endings that I don't have to go research in a library to understand.
CNWoodward 1 year ago
I watched this in the theater as a child, did not understand the typeology contained in the ending. But today I understand that Reinhardt recieved his judgement in hell by become an eternal prisoner to his own creation. The part with the glass hallway and the angelic being represents Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."
picc01 1 year ago
@picc01 Wow! I remember that passage! :3
aFoxNamedMorris 1 year ago
@picc01 Nah...Isn't it weird that the only time a quote is submitted to these things it's always assumed to be Christian!?! I enjoyed the film when I was a kid and the ending was perfect - it was indeed spiritual and bizarre, exotic and surreal in equal measure - but at no point did I feel the need to impress upon my interpretation any religious beliefs. But that's just me.
mgollogly1 1 year ago
the remake was called "event horizon"
walter0bz 1 year ago
@walter0bz I dont know where you get your info but there has never been a remake of the Black Hole> one is in talks! dont be one of those people that Affleck talks about in Jay and silent Bob strike Back
horrorhost6 1 year ago
@horrorhost6 -
'event horizon' = remake of 'the black hole'
or
'event horizon' = 'the black hole' - 'star wars' + 'alien'
walter0bz 1 year ago
With a lot of help from the Holy Spirit after 31 years I got it. Reinhardt( the antichrist complete with a derived chi rho necklace) and Maximillian(the false prophet) are using technology ( Higgs boson and human blood sacrifice) the murder of Frank Mcray(refused the mark of the beast) the rest of the crew took the mark and gave up "free will" All of them trying to return to heaven via the black hole(stargate)they lose and are thrown alive into the lake of fire. This is the illuminati plan.
TheMurphy45056 1 year ago
@TheMurphy45056 Oh and then that means, um, okay , so I think, um.......WHAT?
roaminggator 1 year ago
@TheMurphy45056 That's a joke right? Sounds like a joke. Hope it's a joke...please tell me it's a joke...
mgollogly1 1 year ago
@TheMurphy45056 or could it be just a sci fi movie, and perhaps very little else? with a lot less meaning than you attribute to it.... i.e. mainly images used for suspense and effect, rather than actually containing a 'secret message'....
7plus77 1 year ago
I just read on the Wikipedia article that it's speculated (that was the word used LOL) that Kate's father's soul was trapped inside Maximilian, and the angel or whatever it is flying through the glistening hallway was his soul released and going towards heaven. Very interesting! Hadn't thought of that before. Food for thought. :)
tall32guy 1 year ago
Hell doesn't look like much fun.
theunit32 1 year ago
still credited as the darkest ending for a Disney movie EVER!!!!! gotta love it
Firesong01 1 year ago 23
man, i love this film. its very wierd that disney went out of its normal cute and funny image, though.
TheLegoking99 1 year ago
I just noticed you can tell they filmed him "falling" in reverse, because of the way his hair was blowing as he fell. LOL
tall32guy 1 year ago
I had seen the film before once or twice, once in the 80's and once in the 90's, and didn't remember this part. Then I saw this recently, and found that i was disturbed by this scene! Just the music and the "scenery" I guess. It is a little eerie (but just a little to me, not scary or anything. LOL) Not sure if anyone else feels that way....
tall32guy 1 year ago
@tall32guy nope this shit freaked me out as a kid too, It felt like they were traveling through the afterlife, the ending is quite amazing when I think about it, it sure beats the typical ship blows up in background while are heros fly off *roll credits*
But yeah it has an eerie feeling about it, i always wondered if that mad doctor punishment was to spend his time in hell trapped inside that evil red robot he made, it makes sense really. now im older i see thats exactly what happend.
sevenforcex 1 year ago
STUPID fucking reverbing voices and spinning...UGGH! So rated G!!!
Redrum267 1 year ago
This movie looks like crap compared to 2001, but that's just because every film on the planet looks like crap compared to 2001 (even Avatar). Still, this looks great compared to all the crap that Disney puts out, and looks to be entertaining, although I don't think that they needed to make the end seem drug induced, but it's always cool to see that (pink elephants, anyone?)
Bassbait 1 year ago
I think Reinheart is really Rob Zombie.
clandis2010 1 year ago