LMAO!!! i like how the "in context" passage is worse than the first. No please, inform me how wholesale slaughter of any peoples who dont do as god says is worse than moon worship.
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No really, because if all christan dads had this same outlook, all christian children would have died out long ago.
There is no God and there is no Satan. Do yourself a favour and stop living in fear. Try and rationally question things rather than blindly following your faith and a book that was written by man, thousands of years ago. Open your eyes to science and embrace life, not because "god" said you should but because you are SO unbelievably lucky to be alive... You only get one life, don't waste it!! :)
Somebody should read the book "History of the Zodiac" by Robert Powell. See page 20-21 about Euctemon who in 432 bc had a solar calander based on the same signs of the zodiac that we use today. This book tells all you need to know about the zodiac and you will be able to spot a lie in an instant.
Once Again another Feminist Socialism used to endorsed Environmental hist-aria in a way to bring about the end of mankind and slowly eradicate them selves in the process. Just Brilliant! Why not find that guy who was handing out magic cool-aid while your at it?
IT IS OBVIOUS!! They create all the problematic institutions of money and government and then plant seeds like Zeitgeist to swoop in and establish what sort of system they really want for the NWO. Venus Project, yha right sounds like slave laboring and human/satanic worshiping to pull everyone away from God and Jesus Christ our lord who bought us through adoption of his death and bearing the wrath of God that is meant for all who sinned against a righteous and holy God.
For the sole purpose of manipulating people. They do have a good foundation for which life should be lived morally, however, the people at the top always have their ways of twisting things for control. Religions are man made..... But "HAVE TO BE TRUE"! haha....... Yeah right.
I do not expect an accurate interpretation of Christianity.
It is a construct, and nobody saw where every nut and bolt went.
The question, "was it intentional?" is important.
Leading the blind is easy, as easy as being entirely accurate on every other aspect of the zeitgeist, eg. the fractional reserve system, when in fact you are on the inside, and it is 'time' to disclose certain truths...
This reminds me of the problem of the pyramids , archeologists have their say , Their theory is considered fact. Everyone is concerned with the the construction aspect , what about the layout ? the land surveying ? Iv looked over modern surveys of the area(I'm a civil engineer) and I cant believe that people still believe the silly stories we take as fact , there are immense implications ( Dr Swerdlow s thinking on the modern convention of celestial boarders for eg) .
Dr Swerdlow is wrong, the ancients were very well versed in precession function , don't believe some 1 because they have a degree and represent the establishment , do your own research and to the creator of this vid , its silly to compile contrary evidence with regards to zeitgeist , zeitgeist does not follow the accepted , obviously you will find tonnes of evidence to debunk it , so were does anyone stand ?who knows .
Proof of syncretism of Christianity to Pagan religions start here--->/watch?v=DNJ2RZJMG3k
Proof that Horus did have 12 disciples that he commissioned to do the work of his father, was born of the virgin Isis, and other Zeitgeist claims start here===> /watch?v=rdbgou-Jt-g
Zeitgeist debunked was debunked...with primary sources.
christianity itself was a one world religion that killed off or attempted to, anyone who did not follow it. that was it's beginnings in ancient rome. jews denied christ and christians denied muhammad and everybody hates eachother. but there is a move towards a one world religion. i read in a newspaper a few years ago where a catholic cardinal claimed that within 50 years allah would be the universal name for god. wish i had cut that out of the paper cause i can't find it on the net .
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Do your own homework simpletons ! Where is the evidence that any other historical figure was born of a Virgin birth and on December 25th etc etc. These are claims with no verification in recorded history. If you can't see the link between Reveleation - Mark of the beast (RFID Chip) with 666 - as on every bar code, you aren't paying attention. The 2012 will be used to slowly usher in the Antichrist and people are already accepting being chipped like cattle without realizing the implications !
The conspiracy element of Zeitgeist is 100% correct the religious aspects are over 90% wrong. Like a lot of the 2012 and Alien BS that is out there it is basically trying to prove that Christ was not God in the flesh and you won't find the answer with on wiki or google. The claims of all these other so called Gods of Virgin births or December 25 birth dates are BS !!!. Who paid for the slick production that is Zeitgeist ???
Muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
Muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
Dr. Noel Swallow is a dork. The egyptions depicted the zodiac with the exact same symbols we use today. These symbols are shown on the 'Dendera Zodiac' in the Louvre. It predates the Bible. Very reputable scientists examined it in the 1800's and found that the egyptions had a knowledge of precession. A crater on the moon is named after one of the scientists. It's not a wacky theory at all.
@23spacecase actually, that would be negative one. this is......proving nothing really against the great ZEITGEIST. it just showed a few facts are wrong.. that doesn't mean the whole thing is. all of the Zeitgeist makes sense, and it is backed up by facts. all of the "scholars" this video uses are religious. religous people are morons, im sorry. they will defend their religion tooth and claw so that they can stay in their imagination land, and have the rest of us deal with problems at hand.
debunked my bum. that was like someone spotting a spelling mistake and concluding that the whole passage must be false. what i don't understand is how these Christians can display independent thought when it suits them, i concluded their brainwashed liar that don't feel bad their holding the human race back. Evolve my friend.
hahahhaha, you guys are so retarded. He backs up ALL of his claims, fuckin asks Biblical and Religious scholars..they all shit on Zeitgeist, and you think he hasn't done any research? I feel as though you guys are just sore losers. He rapes Zeitgeist SOOO hard.
@believerornot What you fail to realize is that I'm currently in all IB courses maintaining a 89 average. This guy does not have to be incredibly smart..he did research and let the research speak for itself. He's not a liar either, I know quite a bit about the Egyptian mythos and all of what he says about Horus and Osiris is completely true. Isis gathered enough pieces of Osiris' body to have sex with him. She then got pregnant with Horus, anyone who has taken a grade 10 class knows that.
@believerornot This is honestly your response? You don't try and refute anything I've said..you just call me a liar. Please, show me on ANY reputable website where there is a different version of the Osiris/Horus/Set story. There isn't..because that's the only one. As for Acharya whatever the fuck her name is stating that the scholars don't know anything because they don't have access to the text in it's original language...think about that for a sec, they're Ph.D's but can't readotherlanguages?
There is no point in showing you anything. You are a liar. Plain and simple.
There is much evidence corroborating every claim made in the movie and most of it is not even in English or even in a modern version of any language and certainly not on a website.You think if its not on the web its not true?
But if you really were some kind of expert you would know this. Obviously you are not so that leaves only one conclusion. You are a LIAR.
@believerornot There IS no evidence, I'm sorry but there is a reason that websites have been set up offering money for you to prove Zeitgeist, because plain and simple it is horse shit. The reason I say the internet is because well..it's one of the most comprehensive databases in the world. It would make sense that SOME evidence to counter mine could be found.
I neverclaimed to be an expert, not even close. I'm a highschool student who thinks logically.I.E not believing in shit that has no proof
@believerornot What the FUCK!? The sources are all secondary and tertiary sources. Is the head of the buddhist studies department saying this is garbage not good enough for you? Do I need to go interview Buddha himself for you to believe me? Jesuussss titty fucking christ.
I'm not Christian, I was not raised as a Christian. I simply take issue with people touting unresearched garbage as truth. Look at Acharya S, there's a reason she's been ostracized from legitimate scholarly circles.
Religious scholars are obviously going to deny Zeitgeist because if they agree it proves that everything they have written and spoken about is a pack of lies. DUHHHHHH!
And you are a liar.
You have no reason to defend this bullshit other than your Christianity.
"Jesus titty fucking christ?" you even swear like Ned Flanders.
@believerornot hahahahahahahaha. Wooow, you really can't handle losing can you? You just HAVE to believe Zeitgeist or your entire existence is thrown in the shitter. Please respond with a reputable source proving Zeitgeist or shut the fuck up. You're a useless human being, please do not reproduce.
@lampeater12 anyone who believes that is just stupid...i mean come on really necrophilia, also i have realized there are many people who think they know "much about something" but the more i converse with them, i learn that even though i was a little intimidated by them in the beginning due to their overtly confident attitude on the subject, i see they only know a narrow,biased,and non-critically thinking part of the subject, so before you think you can claim... know you can think.
I'm a christian but I judge no one like fellow people and I do not shove my beliefs down anybody's throat and if somebody is willing to listen then therefore I'm willing to talk if not then I walk away.
@believerornot: Well, to be fair, neither does Zeitgeist. The existence of Jesus Christ is supported by very dubious evidence, but all the astronomy and conspiracy theory and the comparitive mythology is bullshit.
Its actually very well researched. The problem for most who try to debunk is the original texts and information is not in English, often its not even in any modern version of a language so you really have to know your stuff. Most people think if its not on the internet in English it can't be true and there lies the problem.
Finally - you have failed to recognise the use of astrology in ancient hebrews - more than likey due to misunderstanding of levitical laws. Daniel was named Rab Chartomia or master chart reader. This has only one connoctation. Daniel risked death rather than disobey God and yet he had no problems being named a master astrologer despite it being death in levitical law. To assume that Daniel was then not instructed in Babylonian mysteries/astrology is absurd and yet you will.
- while Acharya S' claims about pre dating are definitely skewed, you miss the point that the ancient Hebrews were intimately linked to Egypt. It's natural that legend of the coming Messiah would pass from the hebrew to egyptian and legend of Isis would pass to the Hebrew. As buddhism has passed to the west and vice versa in the modern world. If you doubt that ancient hebrews would teach/know of a coming messiah you know nothing.
@AdeptAlbatross Yes, but neither the Hindus nor the Buddhists had any intimate contact with the Hebrews, and Horus' story is irrevocably different from that of Christ.
Full disclosure: I'm a deist, not a Christian, nor a tinfoil hatter.
I'm curious, if the author of this video is a christian, then the author of this video should be filled with the holy spirit which would instruct in truth. What does the author think of 911 and who the perpetrator(s) is/are?
You were right that the Hebrews were neither sun nor moon worshippers but they did use a lunar calendar and set the camp facing east. Facing east has only one connoctation and that's towards the rising sun.
The funniest thing is that the "in context" Isaiah quotation doesn't make this god seem any better than the out of context one. If anything, it makes it look WORSE.
Christians and all other bible toting religious cults need to be converted, and saved from religion. God is not found in books and creeds written by men; but in the undeniable witness of nature, through the conscience. Throw out your religion, and begin to know the true God as witnessed in the creation.
Christians need to read their bloody bibles instead of just letting them collect dust on their coffee tables. Their bible represnts a god doing things full of wrath, and and then repenting of it later. This male god kills, creates evil, does evil, plagues, sends famine and disease, creates war, sends out evl spirits, hates, and is said to be jealous and vengeful. He also cammands others such as Moses, Joshua and David to murder people (including children and babies) and take their land. CULT!
Where was your enthusiasm to inform people of your all important 'truth' before the zeitgeist doc came about?.....and why did you not offer to contribute this 'knowledge' to better it?.....Nit-picking!...Sorry, but this smells like more bullshit to stall peoples thinking...I suppose we've all been waiting for it!
Why dont you scrutinize the media. If you have a problem with him *peter joseph* misinforming people, why dont you have a problem with the people that really misinform the world. Only a small % of the world has even seen Zeitgeist part 1 or 2.
1. HOW can anyone base his beliefs on a product (scripture) of a time during which people had very low reasoning and understanding ability of the things around them (read earth is flat land floating in water and hanging stars from an inverted bowl of sky)? Haven't we come a long way from 1st century by figuring out the relation of various things and their interactions in nature and space? If we chose to not star-gaze, we would still be believing earth is flat among many other things.
2.When people were lacking rational explanation to understand the things they see, doesn't it make sense that, they believed in fabricated explanations (stories about Gods) manifested through their imagination merely based on their experiences/observations? Obviously, such stories would answer their questions about life and everything thus related but none of them were unpredictable revelations even to the people of their own time. They consisted of easy ways out for all the questions. MIRACLES.
3. Such stories (about miracles of Gods) merely serve to satisfy people's thirst for answers to many questions (some of which we yet have to know) until someone who looks at things in a different perspective (Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, etc) using contemporary technology and unbiased interpretation of observations, with more profound reasoning, for the rest of the world to see and understand. Let's gain knowledge through EXPERIMENTATION and OBSERVATION but not through irrelevant SCRIPTURES.
Let me jump in right here. Debunked? You last three authors have their own theological agenda, and quick search shows dissent from other sources. Your Stars guy, well lets just say as a amatuer, maybe he knows, but I think you should research the Stars more.. the Egyptians, Cambodians and numerous 'Middle East' peoples had them as signifigant cyclic temporal periods. The first 'experts' you cite here, tell me, are they religious? Buhddist lady has to be. You refute nothing. Nice stylistic nod to
..Zietgiest though. Whilst the Stars have changed, and the stories have some lack of parlelle.. the fact remains that whilst this idiot woman got it wrong, as an amatuer would, there are many ancient celestial 'Zodiacs' out there which predate Christ, and there is similarities. The Western Academic idea that Hindu beliefs of their Gods (gids which predate Jesus signifigantly) where only developed once written is laughable. India has a strong Oral history tradition which dates back millenia
All in all, whilst I doubt the book by this Asharya womans is really accurate.. ..the sources themselves could be.. just look for yourself. Go to India, go to the temples in the Middle East, North Africa and South East Asia.
Christianity didnt borrow from other faits and spiriual movements? Bullshit.
Just look at the date ascribed to Jesus, look the Christian Celebrations, you say they come after Jesus... it all does., They made up bunch shit and chose a poster child, but tora tora tora
Yeah, maybe, kinda sad more than funny hat the guy psoting this Vid, like so many ppl who chose unprovable 'fatih' alone as fundamental element of their lives, immediately goes on the counter attack, so they can sleep well at night believing there faith is now more real. Nothing wrong with believing illogical unprovable 'truths' of the universe, song long as you recognise that to many, the power of the wolds 'religions' over hearts and minds is so big that it MUST be deconstructed, and its..
origins explained and demonstraighted. Obviously there is some conjecture, but the moment you dismiss Indian History anc culture, which predates almost ANY on Earth, just so you can debunk the connection between Hindu Gods and other ones, that just blatantly an act of convienience. This vids poster doesnt know shit, the ppl he cites all have theological agendas, obviously. Jesus is a tool, you Vid poster, are a puppet, and you have debunked NOTHING, rather, reinforce the lies
The bottom line is that The Federal Reserve bank is in control of money that is in circulation. Bureau of Engraving ( dept. of Treasury) charges the Fed 4 cents per note to print the money plus cost of circulation (unless it is delivered directly to federal reserve banks. But, The Fed is in total control over how much money is in circulation, not the treasury. And it should be noted that the value of this currency in circulation is not alway backed by US T-bills. This is the latest scandal.
The cross of the Zodiac is not founded in Christianity? Are you for real? The vast majority of religions in this country realise its significance. Maybe, like, go back to the encyclopedia there dude.
This scientist know nothing about astrology or ancient tradition or religion. It's a fact that the highest God the Hebrews and all the ancient people from Sumeria worshiped the god EL, that's why we have names like Dani-EL, Ezeki-EL, and many other. The Hebrews were Polytheistics, and only after the sect of YAHWEH (a volcano God, remeber the volcano of Sinai) the faked Monotheism is spread. I really eagerly recommend you the "Christ Conspiracy" to anyone make its one point. Download in 4shared.
He really said it? He believed in Astrology. Accordind to M. D. Mordock and many other authors, astrology was indispensable to all old cultures cause it was closely related to the weather, and the obsevence of the stars were done by wise astrologers (as the Mayas, Greeks, Indians). The Zodiac is as ancient as civilization, and the one we nowadays know was created by Sumerians, one of the most mysterious civilizations. So these scientist comes and tries to distroy a symbol of ancient science!?
In my view, the zeitgeist morons discredited themselves badly with the "sun" "son" thing, which they harped on several times in the movie. Anyone with at least a 4th grade education would detect this as complete bull shit.
the federal reserve prints money out of thin air and constantly inflates the dollar until it will be worth fuck all. The concept of paper money backed by no real value (gold/silver) is so evil and manipulating. WAKE UP you idiot the federal reserve is the means by which your standard of living has fallen over the last 50-60 years
A) Paper money functions the same way personal checks do. The Reserve doesn't print money out of no where; they print the money using bonds from the Treasury department (which gets its money from taxes). Consequently, the money is backed by real value; the paper money isn't just magically deemed to be worth what it is. B) This has nothing to do with whether or not the Federal Reserve system is legal under the U.S, Constitution, which it is (due to the Necessary and Proper clause). : )
yeh ok mate. keep living in your nieve bubble that the dollar is backed by value. what value? the gold standard was abolished ages ago. you can value it against gold but there is no gold reserves or any other kind of reserves backing that fiat money. the federal reserve doesnt have to answer to anyone at all yet its in charge of the currency. Seriously mate I've never met anyone who supports the federal reserve. Earth is doomed if theres more people like you out there
Don't get me wrong dude, I think the Federal Reserve is stupid as all hell. The idea of the government allowing private banks to regulate the economy by actually participating in the market is a really conservative and ineffective idea. Think about it: if the government did all that the Federal Reserve does on its own, then that would be like socialism! (which I happen to prefer to private corporate tyranny) But the Federal Reserve isn't the boogeyman Zeitgeist makes them out to be.
Article 1 sec 8 Congress is to be in control of "coining" money. Congress unconstitutionally, gave Fed the power. We better learn to stand as one, or we surley will all hang separately . . .
The Treasury Department is responsible for the manufacture of coins and the printing of paper money in the United States. They then sell them to the Fed which puts them into circulation. That's how our money works, its value is derived from the credit of the Federal Reserve's purchase of it. Therefore the Fed doesn't make the money.
its clear that you either never watched zeitgeist or was to closed minded to understand it. i mean who do you think wrote the bible? i bet your so stupid you think it fell from the sky!
I was with him when he was debunking some of the more outlandish claims of Zeitgeist, that Christianity was specifically and intentionally created by a conspiracy, using other religions as source material.
But then he had to end with how Zeitgeist is evidence of a conspiracy to end Christianity!!
I mean, wtf is that??
Its funny how people can clearly see and find the logical holes in other's arguments, but completely miss the crazy in their own.
atheists commit the fallacy of "cherry picking" when they pick supposed attacking verses and take it all out of context.
Atheists puts up straw mans, argue from positions that Theists don't hold, and commit atrocious fallacies, such as producing "Zeitgeist" which is a bigger fiction than Star Wars.
you totally missed what he was saying. he is not saying that pisces or aquarium ever existed until modern day, but the mapping of the exact borders and the exact regions are distorted and completely bias to the opinion zeitgiest. She uses correct information but changes the timing of the (equinox) mapping to convey her message
There is the same quality of evidence available to support the historical existence of the man-god Hercules as there is to support the historical existence of the divine savior Jesus Christ.
I take it as ya there are inacuracies but hey the over reaching theme and what they are saying is good, like shit they just went way too specific without actually checking into these religions they are comparing to each other. If they lied purposefully to get people into the movement was kinda dumb, they could have cut the whole religion part out and just stated "relgions have alot in commone which should unite people instead of seperating people". The overall theme is this world needs to change
"new age infiltration..." may be done professionally and with a sincere passionate belief in it's position but by tenaciously defending Christianity, it comes off sounding evangelical. No different than any other organization devoted to Christian beliefs. Keith connects the illuminati to the new age movement well enough but the problem is the illuminati are also connected to Christianity which he doesn't discuss. The new world order doesn't discriminate.
No sir YOUR logic is faulty. You've missed the point. The Zeitgeist movement is not about eliminating Christianity despite the claims in "new age infiltration..." Zeitgeist and other information similar to it are about sifting through distortions and lies to see what is true. It's sad that this kind of information can't be looked at on it's own merits rather than being attacked. Is the illuminati working with the so called 'new age' movement? Yes. But that's not the whole story.
The problem with the debunkers is that they don't see the bigger picture. Perhaps some of the information in Zeitgeist is incorrect in the details but the overarching theme of the information has much support in various credible sources. For example, the fact that Jesus Christ is 1 example of many deitites with similar attributes throughout history. At the very least it shows a pattern and calls into question the foundations on which the story of Christ is based.
That's what new age gurus do. First they show you the control mechanism and then they use it as a justification for indocrination into their believe system. Part 2 is basicly terrorstorm and loose change with a few quotes, G. Edward Griffin wrote an article about part 3.
Zeitgeist is bigger than the dismissal of religion. You people watch until you get angry and stop. In Zeitgeist Addendum-the sequel, it reveals that abolishing beliefs clears the mind from what is really destroying society: the monetary system, social class, and competition. No devout believer could ever watch the sequel, because it contradicts their beliefs, so the method, was to challenge any bold religious person, to follow up with the sequel. I dare you to watch it. All of it.
There are 19 secular Jewish and Roman historians who wrote about Jesus! And whoever doesnt believe me, send me a message so that I can prove you wrong!!
you convinced me that Zeitgeist had wrong info. however, im still convinced about the astrology stand point of Zeitgeist is correct. And it makes tottal sence that jesus and the christian religion was just a story that was fabricated for social control to take over the known world at the time. "it reduces human responsibility to the effect that God controls everything so that awful crimes can be justified in the name of the devine persuite." i.e the crusades and more.
I can assure you that the parallels are not 'wrong'. I have seen the primary source evidence for myself. The creator of this video is either a liar, or ignorant to the Egyptian Mythos.
Horus WAS in fact the Sun God, and scholars are at an almost universal consensus on that. The Coffin texts prove this, which predate Christianity by around 1000yrs:
CT sp991 'I am the God that rises in the east and sets in the west'
'They (the Egyptians) concluded that, two Gods, the Sun and the Moon, were primeval and eternal: they called the former Osiris and the latter Isis...'
-Diodorus Siculus (1st cent. BCE), AE, 14
Don't believe the bunk propagated by these pseudo-intellectuals. The authorities consulted regarding Buddha and Krishna were not properly informed of the premise. The information thrown at them was never substantiated as the 'debunker' withheld the appropriate evidence - because he's never researched it.
You clearly don't have much of an understanding of Egyptology. The God's were syncretic; Horus was the newborn sun, Re/Ra was the sun at noon, and Osiris was the setting sun.
Nut or Mut was the sky Goddess.
Horus was also associated with the sky, indeed. However his principle was primarily solar, whence the the Book of the Dead we find epithets such as 'the Horus of the Two Horizons', representing the rising and setting sun.
I was never proclaiming it to be so. Horus wasn't always associated with the sun, nor was Osiris; for he was also God the Nile, and vegetation among others.
The parallels with Jesus are merely byproducts of Horus' solar aspect, all of which can be demonstrated with primary source texts, unlike what this video foolishly attests to. I assure you the parallels are legitimate - I have been studying theology and the mythology intertwined within it for many years now.
I have one video on Isis being called Meri, and a virgin. The other is one the three kings motif.
'Up to the present time Egypt has held sacred the delivery of a virgin and the birth of her son, who is exposed in a cradle to the adoration of the people. King Ptolemy having asked the reason for this practice, the Egyptians told him that it was a mystery taught to their ancestors by a venerable prophet
I just did quick research on the Paschal Chronicle and found an interesting reference to it on "Classinc Encyclopedia." It says:
"The work, which is imperfect at the beginning and end (breaking off in the year 627), is preceded by an introduction on the Christian methods of reckoning time and the Easter cycle."
In other words, it was influenced by Christianity, not vice-versa.
"based upon the Easter canon, an outline of chronology from Adam down to A.D. 629, accompanied by numerous historical and theological notes. "
This makes it look like Christian literature. The only ones actually using this as evidence that Jesus is a copycat are people like Acharya S (who doesn't have any credibility.)
lol what you should have realized by now is it doesn't matter what you say, what information you present no matter how much evidence and sense it makes. People will fight it tooth and nail because it challenges/destroys their belief/faith. If the information you present was for their belief, they would not say it's wrong, they would use it as a defense and make it seem legitimate like they do with other false historic claims lol. Anyway, I checked your vid and thank you for the information.
An Egyptian reference from before Christ that refers to Isis as Meri?
Anytime Isis is referred to as 'beloved' she is 'Meri'. As for the three kings, there not being three kings to adore Jesus makes it even EASIER to draw parallels, we need any number of shepherds/wise men/magi to draw similarities, something that *DOES* occur in the Egyptian mythos, involving Sirius and the bel
LMAO!!! i like how the "in context" passage is worse than the first. No please, inform me how wholesale slaughter of any peoples who dont do as god says is worse than moon worship.
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No really, because if all christan dads had this same outlook, all christian children would have died out long ago.
LabyrinthOfDream 2 months ago
Open your mind, not your bible...
JamesW0707 6 months ago
There is no God and there is no Satan. Do yourself a favour and stop living in fear. Try and rationally question things rather than blindly following your faith and a book that was written by man, thousands of years ago. Open your eyes to science and embrace life, not because "god" said you should but because you are SO unbelievably lucky to be alive... You only get one life, don't waste it!! :)
JamesW0707 6 months ago
Somebody should read the book "History of the Zodiac" by Robert Powell. See page 20-21 about Euctemon who in 432 bc had a solar calander based on the same signs of the zodiac that we use today. This book tells all you need to know about the zodiac and you will be able to spot a lie in an instant.
Maber01 7 months ago
what myth?
alangname 10 months ago
Great, one conspiracy myth believer debunking another.
Naiant 10 months ago
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Once Again another Feminist Socialism used to endorsed Environmental hist-aria in a way to bring about the end of mankind and slowly eradicate them selves in the process. Just Brilliant! Why not find that guy who was handing out magic cool-aid while your at it?
TheAetherspeak 11 months ago
IT IS OBVIOUS!! They create all the problematic institutions of money and government and then plant seeds like Zeitgeist to swoop in and establish what sort of system they really want for the NWO. Venus Project, yha right sounds like slave laboring and human/satanic worshiping to pull everyone away from God and Jesus Christ our lord who bought us through adoption of his death and bearing the wrath of God that is meant for all who sinned against a righteous and holy God.
chriscoolguy15 1 year ago
All religions are a man made idea
For the sole purpose of manipulating people. They do have a good foundation for which life should be lived morally, however, the people at the top always have their ways of twisting things for control. Religions are man made..... But "HAVE TO BE TRUE"! haha....... Yeah right.
Easymoneyman1 1 year ago
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In religion(Christianity) we are not allowed to doubt...... I
manmachine30 1 year ago
I do not expect an accurate interpretation of Christianity.
It is a construct, and nobody saw where every nut and bolt went.
The question, "was it intentional?" is important.
Leading the blind is easy, as easy as being entirely accurate on every other aspect of the zeitgeist, eg. the fractional reserve system, when in fact you are on the inside, and it is 'time' to disclose certain truths...
A possibility, that's all i'm saying.
BeondSpectrum 1 year ago
Truth-
When it comes to religon.. and books..
Nobody REALLY knows.. but for a small few (if that).
Complex dynamaics of cultures and wars, desseminated knowledge and rebuilding of myths, mixed with false knowledge..
Ancient juxtapositions, possible ET contact.. ERAS that have passed.. AGES. that have come and gone...
- The mind of now, which interprets it all.
You will not see a "Zeitgeist Debunked" video that IS NOT focused soley and specifically on the religion section of the film.
BeondSpectrum 1 year ago
This reminds me of the problem of the pyramids , archeologists have their say , Their theory is considered fact. Everyone is concerned with the the construction aspect , what about the layout ? the land surveying ? Iv looked over modern surveys of the area(I'm a civil engineer) and I cant believe that people still believe the silly stories we take as fact , there are immense implications ( Dr Swerdlow s thinking on the modern convention of celestial boarders for eg) .
hammerkkk 1 year ago
Dr Swerdlow is wrong, the ancients were very well versed in precession function , don't believe some 1 because they have a degree and represent the establishment , do your own research and to the creator of this vid , its silly to compile contrary evidence with regards to zeitgeist , zeitgeist does not follow the accepted , obviously you will find tonnes of evidence to debunk it , so were does anyone stand ?who knows .
hammerkkk 1 year ago
@hammerkkk
I totally agree with you on this!
Kheru1 1 year ago
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Proof of syncretism of Christianity to Pagan religions start here--->/watch?v=DNJ2RZJMG3k
Proof that Horus did have 12 disciples that he commissioned to do the work of his father, was born of the virgin Isis, and other Zeitgeist claims start here===> /watch?v=rdbgou-Jt-g
Zeitgeist debunked was debunked...with primary sources.
changingmyself 1 year ago
christianity itself was a one world religion that killed off or attempted to, anyone who did not follow it. that was it's beginnings in ancient rome. jews denied christ and christians denied muhammad and everybody hates eachother. but there is a move towards a one world religion. i read in a newspaper a few years ago where a catholic cardinal claimed that within 50 years allah would be the universal name for god. wish i had cut that out of the paper cause i can't find it on the net .
monkeygod69 1 year ago
at first there were women and children obeying the moon, da da daaa, then daylight brought wisdom and fever and sickness consumed, da da daaa
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baccaratbargaineq 1 year ago
Do your own homework simpletons ! Where is the evidence that any other historical figure was born of a Virgin birth and on December 25th etc etc. These are claims with no verification in recorded history. If you can't see the link between Reveleation - Mark of the beast (RFID Chip) with 666 - as on every bar code, you aren't paying attention. The 2012 will be used to slowly usher in the Antichrist and people are already accepting being chipped like cattle without realizing the implications !
vanbasten20 1 year ago
@vanbasten20 amen
IDH77 1 year ago
@vanbasten20 astrotheism and Jesus have alot of strange coincidences
strangethunder7 1 year ago
The conspiracy element of Zeitgeist is 100% correct the religious aspects are over 90% wrong. Like a lot of the 2012 and Alien BS that is out there it is basically trying to prove that Christ was not God in the flesh and you won't find the answer with on wiki or google. The claims of all these other so called Gods of Virgin births or December 25 birth dates are BS !!!. Who paid for the slick production that is Zeitgeist ???
vanbasten20 1 year ago
today's religion's (cults) are tomorrow's mythology
maestro4110 1 year ago
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Muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
ridemytube247 1 year ago
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muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
ridemytube247 1 year ago
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Muslims, Jews and Christians DESPITE their opposing beliefs, ALL AGREE that "something" whether it be god or some unknown force, "ascended into the heavens" at temple mount in Jerusalem, sorry zeit-fucks but religion still outnumbers your brainwashed propaganda population!. Heh saying theres no such thing as god?, maybe, maybe not, I supposed you zeit-bums can also answer the age old question "What is the meaning of life?", but 1st scientifically PROVE there is no god, until then stfu.
ridemytube247 1 year ago
i was a christian before i watched zeitgeist ha! and i found lots of evidence for the claims
micap20078 1 year ago
@micap20078 You were a Christian? You mean you got christened as a baby and went to church a few times!
You never were a Christian!
IDH77 1 year ago
wacky
stevemabc123 1 year ago
Dr. Noel Swallow is a dork. The egyptions depicted the zodiac with the exact same symbols we use today. These symbols are shown on the 'Dendera Zodiac' in the Louvre. It predates the Bible. Very reputable scientists examined it in the 1800's and found that the egyptions had a knowledge of precession. A crater on the moon is named after one of the scientists. It's not a wacky theory at all.
yourliver1 1 year ago
ha im one of those people dude
23spacecase 1 year ago
YEA SCORE 1 FOR JESUS!!!!
23spacecase 1 year ago
@23spacecase actually, that would be negative one. this is......proving nothing really against the great ZEITGEIST. it just showed a few facts are wrong.. that doesn't mean the whole thing is. all of the Zeitgeist makes sense, and it is backed up by facts. all of the "scholars" this video uses are religious. religous people are morons, im sorry. they will defend their religion tooth and claw so that they can stay in their imagination land, and have the rest of us deal with problems at hand.
20012607 1 year ago
Wild claims without supporting them? Christianity never does that!
Tweekerhead 1 year ago
debunked my bum. that was like someone spotting a spelling mistake and concluding that the whole passage must be false. what i don't understand is how these Christians can display independent thought when it suits them, i concluded their brainwashed liar that don't feel bad their holding the human race back. Evolve my friend.
FlamingBeret 1 year ago
Even with all the proof you given they'll never believe you.
People need something to believe in whether for or against religion.
SirX559 1 year ago
hahahahahah, this guy have no idea what he is talking about, he even is no able to make a proper video and did this crap here ..hahahahahha.
MrBirck33 1 year ago
correction.
HE IS A LIAR not his is a liar.
believerornot 1 year ago
"Zeitgeist has been exposed once more by its fallacious claims."
This is a complete LIE.
The Author of this video has either not done his research properly or his is a LIAR.
What do you think?
/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4 to see where all the evidence for the Zeitgeist Christianity debunk came from and that it is in fact ALL TRUE.
Religion is bullshit!
believerornot 1 year ago
The guy in this video is an idiot.
I've done extensive research on mythology, and there are countless parallels between these characters.
It's a fact.
maxhiner699 1 year ago
@maxhiner699
No he is no idiot. He is a LIAR. plain and simple.
believerornot 1 year ago
hahahhaha, you guys are so retarded. He backs up ALL of his claims, fuckin asks Biblical and Religious scholars..they all shit on Zeitgeist, and you think he hasn't done any research? I feel as though you guys are just sore losers. He rapes Zeitgeist SOOO hard.
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
Not at all. anyone who has a brain can see it is self evident that the maker of this video is either not very smart or a liar
You are evidently just not very smart.
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot What you fail to realize is that I'm currently in all IB courses maintaining a 89 average. This guy does not have to be incredibly smart..he did research and let the research speak for itself. He's not a liar either, I know quite a bit about the Egyptian mythos and all of what he says about Horus and Osiris is completely true. Isis gathered enough pieces of Osiris' body to have sex with him. She then got pregnant with Horus, anyone who has taken a grade 10 class knows that.
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
Ah you are a liar too.
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot This is honestly your response? You don't try and refute anything I've said..you just call me a liar. Please, show me on ANY reputable website where there is a different version of the Osiris/Horus/Set story. There isn't..because that's the only one. As for Acharya whatever the fuck her name is stating that the scholars don't know anything because they don't have access to the text in it's original language...think about that for a sec, they're Ph.D's but can't readotherlanguages?
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
There is no point in showing you anything. You are a liar. Plain and simple.
There is much evidence corroborating every claim made in the movie and most of it is not even in English or even in a modern version of any language and certainly not on a website.You think if its not on the web its not true?
But if you really were some kind of expert you would know this. Obviously you are not so that leaves only one conclusion. You are a LIAR.
Go spread your lies and don't bother me.
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot There IS no evidence, I'm sorry but there is a reason that websites have been set up offering money for you to prove Zeitgeist, because plain and simple it is horse shit. The reason I say the internet is because well..it's one of the most comprehensive databases in the world. It would make sense that SOME evidence to counter mine could be found.
I neverclaimed to be an expert, not even close. I'm a highschool student who thinks logically.I.E not believing in shit that has no proof
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
You are lying again. Websites offer money and then when the evidence is presented they simply ignore it.
You tell me you are smart and logical so I need to ask are you a Christian?
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot The reason they ignore it is because you offer at best secondary sources without any information to back them up.
For the record, no I am not a Christian. I like to govern my life according to my own set of ethics, not those set out for me in a book.
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
You are so full of shit. The sources are good sources all confirmed by the greatest minds in the field of history.
I pleased that Zeitgeist has exposed all religion for what it is. Complete fantasy.
You are obviously a Christian otherwise you would have no stake in defending this pack of lies. It is impossible to believe anything you say.
As for ethics. You quite obviously have none. Typical of a Christian fanatic.
As for ethics, its pretty obvious you have none.
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot What the FUCK!? The sources are all secondary and tertiary sources. Is the head of the buddhist studies department saying this is garbage not good enough for you? Do I need to go interview Buddha himself for you to believe me? Jesuussss titty fucking christ.
I'm not Christian, I was not raised as a Christian. I simply take issue with people touting unresearched garbage as truth. Look at Acharya S, there's a reason she's been ostracized from legitimate scholarly circles.
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater12
Religious scholars are obviously going to deny Zeitgeist because if they agree it proves that everything they have written and spoken about is a pack of lies. DUHHHHHH!
And you are a liar.
You have no reason to defend this bullshit other than your Christianity.
"Jesus titty fucking christ?" you even swear like Ned Flanders.
YOU FUCKING FILTHY CHRISTIAN LIAR!
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lampeater12 1 year ago
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@believerornot hahahahahahahaha. Wooow, you really can't handle losing can you? You just HAVE to believe Zeitgeist or your entire existence is thrown in the shitter. Please respond with a reputable source proving Zeitgeist or shut the fuck up. You're a useless human being, please do not reproduce.
lampeater12 1 year ago
@lampeater
I say again you are a Liar. But if you want to believe your own lies that's up to you.
Christians always make bad liars.
believerornot 1 year ago
@lampeater12 anyone who believes that is just stupid...i mean come on really necrophilia, also i have realized there are many people who think they know "much about something" but the more i converse with them, i learn that even though i was a little intimidated by them in the beginning due to their overtly confident attitude on the subject, i see they only know a narrow,biased,and non-critically thinking part of the subject, so before you think you can claim... know you can think.
EvilestNiceGuy 1 year ago
And now we have proof that zietguist is in fact true and this video is a pack of lies.
not really a surprise /watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4.
believerornot 1 year ago
Wow Zeitgeist really sacred the shit out of you Christians!
LOL
We all no God is not real. Every body really knows this so all this is irrelevant.
Christ does not exist.
There are no greater liars than the Religious.
Looking at the figures of growth, within 40 years most people will be Atheist.
I'm sure your NWO know this. Why would they make a new religion when they know nobody will believe it!
LMAO. You Christians are so SADDDDDD!
believerornot 1 year ago
I'm a christian but I judge no one like fellow people and I do not shove my beliefs down anybody's throat and if somebody is willing to listen then therefore I'm willing to talk if not then I walk away.
RideWitChrist 1 year ago
Well that ending pretty much destroyed the guy's credibility...
InfernalApocalypse 2 years ago
@InfernalApocalypse Not really because he never had any to begin with.
believerornot 1 year ago
@believerornot: Well, to be fair, neither does Zeitgeist. The existence of Jesus Christ is supported by very dubious evidence, but all the astronomy and conspiracy theory and the comparitive mythology is bullshit.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
@InfernalApocalypse
Not really. /watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4.
Its actually very well researched. The problem for most who try to debunk is the original texts and information is not in English, often its not even in any modern version of a language so you really have to know your stuff. Most people think if its not on the internet in English it can't be true and there lies the problem.
Zietguist is actually very accurate.
believerornot 1 year ago
Finally - you have failed to recognise the use of astrology in ancient hebrews - more than likey due to misunderstanding of levitical laws. Daniel was named Rab Chartomia or master chart reader. This has only one connoctation. Daniel risked death rather than disobey God and yet he had no problems being named a master astrologer despite it being death in levitical law. To assume that Daniel was then not instructed in Babylonian mysteries/astrology is absurd and yet you will.
AdeptAlbatross 2 years ago
Also to the author
- while Acharya S' claims about pre dating are definitely skewed, you miss the point that the ancient Hebrews were intimately linked to Egypt. It's natural that legend of the coming Messiah would pass from the hebrew to egyptian and legend of Isis would pass to the Hebrew. As buddhism has passed to the west and vice versa in the modern world. If you doubt that ancient hebrews would teach/know of a coming messiah you know nothing.
AdeptAlbatross 2 years ago
@AdeptAlbatross Yes, but neither the Hindus nor the Buddhists had any intimate contact with the Hebrews, and Horus' story is irrevocably different from that of Christ.
Full disclosure: I'm a deist, not a Christian, nor a tinfoil hatter.
InfernalApocalypse 2 years ago
I'm curious, if the author of this video is a christian, then the author of this video should be filled with the holy spirit which would instruct in truth. What does the author think of 911 and who the perpetrator(s) is/are?
You were right that the Hebrews were neither sun nor moon worshippers but they did use a lunar calendar and set the camp facing east. Facing east has only one connoctation and that's towards the rising sun.
AdeptAlbatross 2 years ago
Oh boy you convinced me, lol.
Life is not this complex dude. Most of the NWO is about simple fear and greed. If you understand those emotions you have most of it licked.
Religion doesn't set you free, the Truth does.
stephenrblv 2 years ago
Go zeitgeist...fairy tales must be exposed...
layout1070 2 years ago
@layout1070 fairy tales, what are talking, the fraud is zeitgeist
15013468 1 year ago
You claim that the "new world order" is trying to make "one world religion".
Isn't that EXACTLY what you yourself would have, if the Isaiah passage is true?
ikvsabre 2 years ago 8
The funniest thing is that the "in context" Isaiah quotation doesn't make this god seem any better than the out of context one. If anything, it makes it look WORSE.
ikvsabre 2 years ago
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Christians and all other bible toting religious cults need to be converted, and saved from religion. God is not found in books and creeds written by men; but in the undeniable witness of nature, through the conscience. Throw out your religion, and begin to know the true God as witnessed in the creation.
layout1070 2 years ago
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Christians need to read their bloody bibles instead of just letting them collect dust on their coffee tables. Their bible represnts a god doing things full of wrath, and and then repenting of it later. This male god kills, creates evil, does evil, plagues, sends famine and disease, creates war, sends out evl spirits, hates, and is said to be jealous and vengeful. He also cammands others such as Moses, Joshua and David to murder people (including children and babies) and take their land. CULT!
manofreason64 2 years ago
Great video brother.
Oallos1 2 years ago
Where was your enthusiasm to inform people of your all important 'truth' before the zeitgeist doc came about?.....and why did you not offer to contribute this 'knowledge' to better it?.....Nit-picking!...Sorry, but this smells like more bullshit to stall peoples thinking...I suppose we've all been waiting for it!
maadmaestro 2 years ago
Why dont you scrutinize the media. If you have a problem with him *peter joseph* misinforming people, why dont you have a problem with the people that really misinform the world. Only a small % of the world has even seen Zeitgeist part 1 or 2.
PhotonStriker 2 years ago
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1. HOW can anyone base his beliefs on a product (scripture) of a time during which people had very low reasoning and understanding ability of the things around them (read earth is flat land floating in water and hanging stars from an inverted bowl of sky)? Haven't we come a long way from 1st century by figuring out the relation of various things and their interactions in nature and space? If we chose to not star-gaze, we would still be believing earth is flat among many other things.
azdwnldazdwnld 2 years ago
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2.When people were lacking rational explanation to understand the things they see, doesn't it make sense that, they believed in fabricated explanations (stories about Gods) manifested through their imagination merely based on their experiences/observations? Obviously, such stories would answer their questions about life and everything thus related but none of them were unpredictable revelations even to the people of their own time. They consisted of easy ways out for all the questions. MIRACLES.
azdwnldazdwnld 2 years ago
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3. Such stories (about miracles of Gods) merely serve to satisfy people's thirst for answers to many questions (some of which we yet have to know) until someone who looks at things in a different perspective (Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, etc) using contemporary technology and unbiased interpretation of observations, with more profound reasoning, for the rest of the world to see and understand. Let's gain knowledge through EXPERIMENTATION and OBSERVATION but not through irrelevant SCRIPTURES.
azdwnldazdwnld 2 years ago
Let me jump in right here. Debunked? You last three authors have their own theological agenda, and quick search shows dissent from other sources. Your Stars guy, well lets just say as a amatuer, maybe he knows, but I think you should research the Stars more.. the Egyptians, Cambodians and numerous 'Middle East' peoples had them as signifigant cyclic temporal periods. The first 'experts' you cite here, tell me, are they religious? Buhddist lady has to be. You refute nothing. Nice stylistic nod to
Apis4 2 years ago
..Zietgiest though. Whilst the Stars have changed, and the stories have some lack of parlelle.. the fact remains that whilst this idiot woman got it wrong, as an amatuer would, there are many ancient celestial 'Zodiacs' out there which predate Christ, and there is similarities. The Western Academic idea that Hindu beliefs of their Gods (gids which predate Jesus signifigantly) where only developed once written is laughable. India has a strong Oral history tradition which dates back millenia
Apis4 2 years ago
All in all, whilst I doubt the book by this Asharya womans is really accurate.. ..the sources themselves could be.. just look for yourself. Go to India, go to the temples in the Middle East, North Africa and South East Asia.
Christianity didnt borrow from other faits and spiriual movements? Bullshit.
Just look at the date ascribed to Jesus, look the Christian Celebrations, you say they come after Jesus... it all does., They made up bunch shit and chose a poster child, but tora tora tora
Apis4 2 years ago
LOL this guy is very funny eh?
613bo 2 years ago
Yeah, maybe, kinda sad more than funny hat the guy psoting this Vid, like so many ppl who chose unprovable 'fatih' alone as fundamental element of their lives, immediately goes on the counter attack, so they can sleep well at night believing there faith is now more real. Nothing wrong with believing illogical unprovable 'truths' of the universe, song long as you recognise that to many, the power of the wolds 'religions' over hearts and minds is so big that it MUST be deconstructed, and its..
Apis4 2 years ago
origins explained and demonstraighted. Obviously there is some conjecture, but the moment you dismiss Indian History anc culture, which predates almost ANY on Earth, just so you can debunk the connection between Hindu Gods and other ones, that just blatantly an act of convienience. This vids poster doesnt know shit, the ppl he cites all have theological agendas, obviously. Jesus is a tool, you Vid poster, are a puppet, and you have debunked NOTHING, rather, reinforce the lies
Apis4 2 years ago
idiot acharya s does astrotheology it is the study of the position of the sun and stars in the sky that the ancients exactly would have seen
years ago that has not changed
this guys voice is so queer...
micap20078 2 years ago
funny how these biased christians are so quick to dispove archeology and so quick to believe in a god that has 0 proof to exist at all..
micap20078 2 years ago
The bottom line is that The Federal Reserve bank is in control of money that is in circulation. Bureau of Engraving ( dept. of Treasury) charges the Fed 4 cents per note to print the money plus cost of circulation (unless it is delivered directly to federal reserve banks. But, The Fed is in total control over how much money is in circulation, not the treasury. And it should be noted that the value of this currency in circulation is not alway backed by US T-bills. This is the latest scandal.
TheJm8284 2 years ago
The cross of the Zodiac is not founded in Christianity? Are you for real? The vast majority of religions in this country realise its significance. Maybe, like, go back to the encyclopedia there dude.
TheJm8284 2 years ago
This scientist know nothing about astrology or ancient tradition or religion. It's a fact that the highest God the Hebrews and all the ancient people from Sumeria worshiped the god EL, that's why we have names like Dani-EL, Ezeki-EL, and many other. The Hebrews were Polytheistics, and only after the sect of YAHWEH (a volcano God, remeber the volcano of Sinai) the faked Monotheism is spread. I really eagerly recommend you the "Christ Conspiracy" to anyone make its one point. Download in 4shared.
Meinemuttet 2 years ago
He really said it? He believed in Astrology. Accordind to M. D. Mordock and many other authors, astrology was indispensable to all old cultures cause it was closely related to the weather, and the obsevence of the stars were done by wise astrologers (as the Mayas, Greeks, Indians). The Zodiac is as ancient as civilization, and the one we nowadays know was created by Sumerians, one of the most mysterious civilizations. So these scientist comes and tries to distroy a symbol of ancient science!?
Meinemuttet 2 years ago
In my view, the zeitgeist morons discredited themselves badly with the "sun" "son" thing, which they harped on several times in the movie. Anyone with at least a 4th grade education would detect this as complete bull shit.
BeyondNeptoon 2 years ago
Someone needs to make a good video debunking the part of Zeitgeist that claims that the United States Federal Reserve is unconstitutional.
NecroButcher91 2 years ago
the federal reserve prints money out of thin air and constantly inflates the dollar until it will be worth fuck all. The concept of paper money backed by no real value (gold/silver) is so evil and manipulating. WAKE UP you idiot the federal reserve is the means by which your standard of living has fallen over the last 50-60 years
mazk1985 2 years ago
A) Paper money functions the same way personal checks do. The Reserve doesn't print money out of no where; they print the money using bonds from the Treasury department (which gets its money from taxes). Consequently, the money is backed by real value; the paper money isn't just magically deemed to be worth what it is. B) This has nothing to do with whether or not the Federal Reserve system is legal under the U.S, Constitution, which it is (due to the Necessary and Proper clause). : )
NecroButcher91 2 years ago
yeh ok mate. keep living in your nieve bubble that the dollar is backed by value. what value? the gold standard was abolished ages ago. you can value it against gold but there is no gold reserves or any other kind of reserves backing that fiat money. the federal reserve doesnt have to answer to anyone at all yet its in charge of the currency. Seriously mate I've never met anyone who supports the federal reserve. Earth is doomed if theres more people like you out there
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Don't get me wrong dude, I think the Federal Reserve is stupid as all hell. The idea of the government allowing private banks to regulate the economy by actually participating in the market is a really conservative and ineffective idea. Think about it: if the government did all that the Federal Reserve does on its own, then that would be like socialism! (which I happen to prefer to private corporate tyranny) But the Federal Reserve isn't the boogeyman Zeitgeist makes them out to be.
NecroButcher91 2 years ago
Article 1 sec 8 Congress is to be in control of "coining" money. Congress unconstitutionally, gave Fed the power. We better learn to stand as one, or we surley will all hang separately . . .
TheJm8284 2 years ago
The Treasury Department is responsible for the manufacture of coins and the printing of paper money in the United States. They then sell them to the Fed which puts them into circulation. That's how our money works, its value is derived from the credit of the Federal Reserve's purchase of it. Therefore the Fed doesn't make the money.
NecroButcher91 2 years ago
its clear that you either never watched zeitgeist or was to closed minded to understand it. i mean who do you think wrote the bible? i bet your so stupid you think it fell from the sky!
pebble21 2 years ago
"Zeitgeist's Claims Debunked"
There was more important things to be debunked in Zeitgeist than the section on Christianity...
And scripture is not proof..
suroj 2 years ago
@suroj what other things are to be debunked?
RobbieLennox 2 years ago
The rest of the film
suroj 2 years ago
I was with him when he was debunking some of the more outlandish claims of Zeitgeist, that Christianity was specifically and intentionally created by a conspiracy, using other religions as source material.
But then he had to end with how Zeitgeist is evidence of a conspiracy to end Christianity!!
I mean, wtf is that??
Its funny how people can clearly see and find the logical holes in other's arguments, but completely miss the crazy in their own.
metasailor 2 years ago
@metasailor
lol, that is kind of ironic. But, it is pretty obvious that Zeitgeist is anti-Christian
aCurrier 2 years ago
It's pathological crazy. thats what it is
suroj 2 years ago
atheists commit the fallacy of "cherry picking" when they pick supposed attacking verses and take it all out of context.
Atheists puts up straw mans, argue from positions that Theists don't hold, and commit atrocious fallacies, such as producing "Zeitgeist" which is a bigger fiction than Star Wars.
rifleblaster 2 years ago
"20th century astrology" ignorant ass its been arround for thousands of years
TheHaterslayer 2 years ago
you totally missed what he was saying. he is not saying that pisces or aquarium ever existed until modern day, but the mapping of the exact borders and the exact regions are distorted and completely bias to the opinion zeitgiest. She uses correct information but changes the timing of the (equinox) mapping to convey her message
TheDevilWearsPradaa 2 years ago
maybe.
tinrib656 2 years ago
he's not saying that those constellations are new, he's saying the idea of the "age of pisces" is
aCurrier 2 years ago
Lol, y'know as soon as i saw this I knew there was a christian argument behind it.
Message to christians: Stay away from computers, as they are the tools of the devil!! ;-)
tinrib656 2 years ago
"Message to christians: Stay away from computers, as they are the tools of the devil!! ;-) "
You're the devil's tool.
rifleblaster 2 years ago
Lol, y'know as soon as i saw Zeitgeist i knew there was an atheistic argument behind it.
aCurrier 2 years ago
Excuse me!, christiniaty did take a lot of pagan elements!.
Many academians have already discused this.
I would recommendate people to read Manfred Clause's the roman cult of mithras, english translation by Richard Gordon.
Of course Clause doesn't go to say that "it was rip off", but the similarities were there because of their common background.
Plus, a lot churches were built above mithraeums or spealums, and a lot of their art was took by christians artists.
DaxusDragon 2 years ago 5
@DaxusDragon
the Roman Catholic Church took a lot of ideas from pagans, yes, but the Gospel is not borrowed from pagans
aCurrier 2 years ago
watch on google video Hector Avalos: "How archeology killed biblical history"
hellraiser313 2 years ago 2
Hey check out a Christian website that shows the link with astrology and the ZODIAC to the Bible.. zodiactruthdotcom
PROVES THE BIBLE TO BE FROM ASTROLOGY ! : }
TheBoopski 2 years ago
There is the same quality of evidence available to support the historical existence of the man-god Hercules as there is to support the historical existence of the divine savior Jesus Christ.
Wakeupnow09 2 years ago
where are the prophecies of hercules?
want2rock247 2 years ago 2
ok give us some examples, since you obviously have researched this
nsolcis 2 years ago
I take it as ya there are inacuracies but hey the over reaching theme and what they are saying is good, like shit they just went way too specific without actually checking into these religions they are comparing to each other. If they lied purposefully to get people into the movement was kinda dumb, they could have cut the whole religion part out and just stated "relgions have alot in commone which should unite people instead of seperating people". The overall theme is this world needs to change
heathenstar88 2 years ago
"new age infiltration..." may be done professionally and with a sincere passionate belief in it's position but by tenaciously defending Christianity, it comes off sounding evangelical. No different than any other organization devoted to Christian beliefs. Keith connects the illuminati to the new age movement well enough but the problem is the illuminati are also connected to Christianity which he doesn't discuss. The new world order doesn't discriminate.
Honuman32 2 years ago
No sir YOUR logic is faulty. You've missed the point. The Zeitgeist movement is not about eliminating Christianity despite the claims in "new age infiltration..." Zeitgeist and other information similar to it are about sifting through distortions and lies to see what is true. It's sad that this kind of information can't be looked at on it's own merits rather than being attacked. Is the illuminati working with the so called 'new age' movement? Yes. But that's not the whole story.
Honuman32 2 years ago
The problem with the debunkers is that they don't see the bigger picture. Perhaps some of the information in Zeitgeist is incorrect in the details but the overarching theme of the information has much support in various credible sources. For example, the fact that Jesus Christ is 1 example of many deitites with similar attributes throughout history. At the very least it shows a pattern and calls into question the foundations on which the story of Christ is based.
Honuman32 2 years ago
No, your logic is based on faulty information. Look up 'new age infiltration of the truth movement'.
Nidder1 2 years ago
How come no1 ever debunks part 2...or 3? I wanna see some debunks on part 2 and 3!!!!
funckbush 2 years ago
That's what new age gurus do. First they show you the control mechanism and then they use it as a justification for indocrination into their believe system. Part 2 is basicly terrorstorm and loose change with a few quotes, G. Edward Griffin wrote an article about part 3.
GompCelticPL 2 years ago
Zeitgeist part 1 is pure new age deceptions and manipulation
OverReal2Reallite 2 years ago
Good job. I'm glad you stood up and disproved them.
donaghec 2 years ago
Zeitgeist is bigger than the dismissal of religion. You people watch until you get angry and stop. In Zeitgeist Addendum-the sequel, it reveals that abolishing beliefs clears the mind from what is really destroying society: the monetary system, social class, and competition. No devout believer could ever watch the sequel, because it contradicts their beliefs, so the method, was to challenge any bold religious person, to follow up with the sequel. I dare you to watch it. All of it.
polkaspotsss 2 years ago 3
What video is this taken from as I can no longer find it on yt!?!
Amarx00 2 years ago
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See my video "The truth about Jesus"
surigatt 2 years ago
I still think religion is b.s!.
Chris080 2 years ago
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This is Christian propaganda. Many years ago the Christians, and the Muslims, tore the great book apart that explains the truth about the
ancients before you. They have kept the truth from you to keep control.
The only reason this movie was even made is because Zeitgeist revealed the truth about the perversion of sun worship, crippling the
Christian numbers.
Free yourself and embrace the consciousness of the world being connected as one.
National Burn Your Bible Day December 25 2012
interested976 2 years ago
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interested976 2 years ago
There are 19 secular Jewish and Roman historians who wrote about Jesus! And whoever doesnt believe me, send me a message so that I can prove you wrong!!
xFLASHx1 2 years ago
I'm not commenting to say you are in correct,
i'd like to know the names of these men.
For research.
thank you.
-angel
Dragoongrl 2 years ago
you convinced me that Zeitgeist had wrong info. however, im still convinced about the astrology stand point of Zeitgeist is correct. And it makes tottal sence that jesus and the christian religion was just a story that was fabricated for social control to take over the known world at the time. "it reduces human responsibility to the effect that God controls everything so that awful crimes can be justified in the name of the devine persuite." i.e the crusades and more.
Mystro1989 2 years ago
I can assure you that the parallels are not 'wrong'. I have seen the primary source evidence for myself. The creator of this video is either a liar, or ignorant to the Egyptian Mythos.
Horus WAS in fact the Sun God, and scholars are at an almost universal consensus on that. The Coffin texts prove this, which predate Christianity by around 1000yrs:
CT sp991 'I am the God that rises in the east and sets in the west'
-Faulkner, AECT III, 99
dudekin 2 years ago
'They (the Egyptians) concluded that, two Gods, the Sun and the Moon, were primeval and eternal: they called the former Osiris and the latter Isis...'
-Diodorus Siculus (1st cent. BCE), AE, 14
Don't believe the bunk propagated by these pseudo-intellectuals. The authorities consulted regarding Buddha and Krishna were not properly informed of the premise. The information thrown at them was never substantiated as the 'debunker' withheld the appropriate evidence - because he's never researched it.
dudekin 2 years ago
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Bocchiris 2 years ago
What were those sources?
kris01987 2 years ago
I supplied the sources underneath the quotations.
dudekin 2 years ago
In that comment you said Horus was the Sun god. -- That is not true. He was the falcon god. -- Re was the Sun god, not Horus.
My source for that is Zahi Hawass, and you don't get better at Egyptology that him.
kris01987 2 years ago
Oh; you know less than I gave you credit for.
You clearly don't have much of an understanding of Egyptology. The God's were syncretic; Horus was the newborn sun, Re/Ra was the sun at noon, and Osiris was the setting sun.
Nut or Mut was the sky Goddess.
Horus was also associated with the sky, indeed. However his principle was primarily solar, whence the the Book of the Dead we find epithets such as 'the Horus of the Two Horizons', representing the rising and setting sun.
dudekin 2 years ago
I know he became associated with Ra, but my understanding is that was in later times.
But even if Horus was ALWAYS conected with the sun, it wouldn't count as a parallel with Jesus because Jesus is not a solar god.
kris01987 2 years ago
I was never proclaiming it to be so. Horus wasn't always associated with the sun, nor was Osiris; for he was also God the Nile, and vegetation among others.
The parallels with Jesus are merely byproducts of Horus' solar aspect, all of which can be demonstrated with primary source texts, unlike what this video foolishly attests to. I assure you the parallels are legitimate - I have been studying theology and the mythology intertwined within it for many years now.
dudekin 2 years ago
"I assure you the parallels are legitimate "
No, they aren't. There is no evidence that Horus was born of a virgin. His mother impregnated herself on Osiris's body.
And he definitely was not born in a manger like Zeitgeist claims. He was born in in the swamps of Khemnis in the Nile Delta.
And he was never dead for 3 days.
I did my research to. The parallels are bogus.
kris01987 2 years ago
Check out my videos.
I have one video on Isis being called Meri, and a virgin. The other is one the three kings motif.
'Up to the present time Egypt has held sacred the delivery of a virgin and the birth of her son, who is exposed in a cradle to the adoration of the people. King Ptolemy having asked the reason for this practice, the Egyptians told him that it was a mystery taught to their ancestors by a venerable prophet
- The Pashcal Chronicle; (16) Thompson, MOD, p481
Also attested by EBD
dudekin 2 years ago
The Paschal Chronicle was written around the 4th century BCE.
However, the custom must have preceded the CE due to the mention of the Ptolemies; thus dating the custom to around 3BCE.
The cradle is mentioned in the EBD, which predates Christianity by over a thousand years.
The EBD discusses 'the Birth Cradle of Osiris', which Renouf identifies as 'where Osiris renews his birth' - which would be Horus.
(17) Renouf, EBD, p131-132; Faulkner, EBD, p108; Budge, BD, p235
Also see CT spell 286.
dudekin 2 years ago
Sorry, the Paschal Chronicle was written around 4th century CE*
dudekin 2 years ago
I just did quick research on the Paschal Chronicle and found an interesting reference to it on "Classinc Encyclopedia." It says:
"The work, which is imperfect at the beginning and end (breaking off in the year 627), is preceded by an introduction on the Christian methods of reckoning time and the Easter cycle."
In other words, it was influenced by Christianity, not vice-versa.
kris01987 2 years ago
Even more research on it show that, it is
"based upon the Easter canon, an outline of chronology from Adam down to A.D. 629, accompanied by numerous historical and theological notes. "
This makes it look like Christian literature. The only ones actually using this as evidence that Jesus is a copycat are people like Acharya S (who doesn't have any credibility.)
kris01987 2 years ago
you are totally corect
lesterclaypool1 2 years ago
Forget references from after 30 ad.
What egyptian reference, from before Christ, refers to Isis as Isis-Meri?
I already mentioned there are no three "kings" in the Jesus story. They are Magi (which is completely different) and there weren't three of them.
kris01987 2 years ago
Oh my, you are such a fool.
Watch my video on the subject. The mention of the Ptolemies in the Chronicle in reference to a virgin mother means it must have predated Xianity.
As for Meri... Meri is shown abundantly in hieroglyphs. In fact, I have a 12 minute long video on the subject.
Of course the Paschal Chronicle is a Christian source! Oh blimey! You really have no idea what you're talking about!
dudekin 2 years ago
lol what you should have realized by now is it doesn't matter what you say, what information you present no matter how much evidence and sense it makes. People will fight it tooth and nail because it challenges/destroys their belief/faith. If the information you present was for their belief, they would not say it's wrong, they would use it as a defense and make it seem legitimate like they do with other false historic claims lol. Anyway, I checked your vid and thank you for the information.
moety2 2 years ago
An Egyptian reference from before Christ that refers to Isis as Meri?
Anytime Isis is referred to as 'beloved' she is 'Meri'. As for the three kings, there not being three kings to adore Jesus makes it even EASIER to draw parallels, we need any number of shepherds/wise men/magi to draw similarities, something that *DOES* occur in the Egyptian mythos, involving Sirius and the bel