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  • U mean to tell me that after 18months of surveillance the cops couldn't figure out whether or not it was a terrorist training camp? WTF? I guess doughnuts and coffee took priority over any form of investigation

  • Ron Marks is a Tauiwi puppet!

  • Ron talks a lot of KAKA. The only one who tells it how it really is, is Hone! Ron tries to sugar coat this huge fuk up with.. as Hone says "scare tactics". 911, has absolutely nothing what soever to do with this hideously belittling act on the Maori communities in Tuhoe. After months of surveillance they invent a terrorism law to convict these people and it all ends up getting thrown out of court?? What a bunch of heroes the NZ police are lmfao. Stick to catching real crims, not making terrorsts

  • @bmonz08 Ron Marks has bought into the mainstream media BS! 9/11 was an inside job and all the Terrorism laws that were subsequently bought into NZ because of that was a ruse to control those who are not naturally mind programmed like the masses. Maori tend to understand what is it to be oppressed so they can smell a rat before the rest. Maori will never be a robotic slave to any Govt because we are strong.

  • @strawberrylaralara.. yea trudat one.

  • Get yerself a chunk a greenstone..... what a meal ticket !!!!!

  • @Buggerlugz000 Dumb!

  • @strawberrylaralara hehehehehehehhehehehehehehhehe­he I love my llife.

  • This way.... we want have likes and dislike people as the ones in this documentary

  • What we need to do is promote more of what Initiatives we have implemented and done well in (Maori) such as Kapahaka, Builiding and maintaining Marae a whole lot of things. Moving forward..... Stop focusing on no need boring and depressing issues. Really I am proud Maori..... But I really don't know where we are going what we want to acheive as a people. Its like we trapped between worlds. Being honest we should move forward and celebrate through hard work as acheiving what we really want :)

  • compared to other indigenous people, Maori people have it sweet. Look at the aboriginal Australians who have a high, the American Indian people who are kept on reservations and so on.

    In the eyes of history, we are seen as proud warriors where other people were slaves and "blacks."

    Why cant we just prove to ourselves and our country that we are instead of whining about land and money. We dont own land, we belong to it!!!

  • I've course, and because we were treated "better" we should just shut up aye. Stop comparing us to other unfortunate indigenous peoples. Focus.

  • What a bunch of separatist crap. People that talk about maori as being oppressed and can't move on from 1840 are the reason race relations in NZ are rocky

  • race relations is between the informed and uninformed, not pakeha and maori.

  • people need to stop dragging up the past and realize that we all have it sweet country and all have the same choices Newzealand is a good country we can get paid for not even working the police wouldnt have raded the place if they didnt have reason 4 suspision im sure if a bunch of white guys were camping up in the bush with a whole lot of guns they wod have done the same thing its such a thik thing 2 say that the police teroirised the comunitey

  • but greivances are not confined or isloated to the past

    and the tuhoe raids were made "on the tribe" not just on those under suspicion

    we want the separatist moaning to stop, then stop them from ripping us off

  • mark must be living a very comfortable and cushy life

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  • I wish more Maori were like Ron Mark, decent, law abiding an honest with the fact that Maori have issues that need to be addressed. Ron Mark is the only Maori politician I respect.

  • you mean trained puppet that does what hes told when hes told think outside the triangle although it might be challenging dig deep mate

  • @teplungor Excuse me I am a decent and law abiding and proud Maori citizen but I do not agree with Ron Mark. I am also an intelligent person with a degree and teach your children. Listen, ask yourself why it is that Tuhoe people sort a need to practise the activities they did? Honestly research why they felt they did. Are you another news watching person who buys into the mainstream media? I'm not inlove with Hone either, but I understand his sentiments.

  • ron mark is a clown hes the next winston peters... fuck him for dissing maori like that. hes the one thats the middle class maori that keep their mouths shut. fuck that shit. ron mark your an ass period. you and your hoity toity bullshit

  • what he ment was we all need 2 move on we got it good in newzealand we can get paid for not even going to work and we are all treated the same regardles of race yet still alot of maori sit on the couch smoking joints and and try blame the white man 4 there lack of education when realy if half of them got off ther ass they would relize that we all have the same opertunitys

  • Ron Mark is a spud. Brown on the outside, white on the inside.

  • not all yet there are also plenty in the states that are similarly called coconuts or uncle-toms

  • ron mark is a traitor. period.

  • Walks like a terrorist smells like a terrorist dressed like a terroris looks like a terrorist , well Rom Mark look into the mirror and your question will be answered .you got the puppet on a string education from the occupying White Nation and you are such a nice immitator Great job Ron Mark . close your eyes for the real truth don't care they are just Native People. I do understand you are just a puppy listning to his masters voice and act like his master wants

  • ron mark is maori you dud -.-

  • @pimbadoti Ron Marks has sold out! He bows to his illuminati masters.

  • ron mark is a parisite and murderer, he is also not human,he is a genetically engineered robot by pre war experiments,he has no soul,did you notice?

  • Ron Mark is a wanker btw.

  • no hes not rose - hes a smart logical guy.

  • Not to me he's not george. He's a traitor.

  • yes he is a "smart logical guy", but still a baldhead. n .quite literally too. :)

  • lol!

  • ish like a fish , ish swim and swim and swim

    and no get caught , but it swim in circle and die cause is always running

    is like dat

    a fish

  • I am trying to connect with you MetalRose001 , but you just revert to talk that is irrelevant. Stay focused on the issue, not whats in your pants. I am listening - but you say little to listen to on this topic. Stick to the subject or I'll deem you unworthy of enlightenment

  • nothing I am relaxed MetalRose001 - it is you who is frantically grasping at straws in an effort to have me succumbed.

  • Ok Dragon, I'll leave you alone. I realize my intensity is difficult for some people to relate to and obviously you aren't up to it yet. Goodbye.

  • What are you doing???

  • Leaving you

  • my bad I'll stop- look I gotta do some stuff- email me later on this stuff

  • Nope, you had your chance. I warned you, but you pushed the limits of my patience & in doing so insulted my intelligence. I want nothing to do with you anymore.

  • aww come on - I would make even Hover look bad - it's not just you

    look email - if you fuck as long as you can talk we're good.

  • Hoover- Huver Hover , the guys who paranoid programs have bankrupted America lol

  • hes a wanker rose -

  • You're running away??? Pussy. And yes you are missing something - but only because you fail o internalize information, which isnt my fault in the least

  • What are you doing???

  • Kids yes are important but we also have to keep an eye on our political interests as well. Many Maori women fail in this because they're either not receiving the right information or they just dont care. If they're not receiving the right information then there are ways to fix that, but if they dont care, then what do you do?

  • Women are so comlicated these days- do you fight for Maori womens rights? is that an issue to you? Women are very important and are our base- Maori women are strong I really repect that

  • Current Maori womens rights you mean??? That fight was won decades ago Dragon. Its our kids rights that we are fighting for now.

  • there you go judgein again - I can't take this from you- if you spent more time givin head than judgin people , then you could have me

  • Ha! Whatever Dragon - I had you on the first post :0

  • huh? look we're at a cross roads here - If you;d stay on the subject and focus we could

    maybe resolve some things

  • So you agree with me then? Just say so and I'll leave you alone.

  • thats an old trick, no secret there lol

  • maybe thats why Labour should be replaced?

    maybe Helen hs lost the vision of a Kiwi new Zealand

  • perhaps I will- it' time

  • I'd fuck anyway

  • I know you're angry but being a terrorist is not the fuckin answer- you want to tear NZ down cause you're angry? for the few you represent? what the hell is that?

    I say no- I say the people need a real leader

    I say we are all in the same boat

  • What terrorists? The 18 were arrested under suspicious circumstances but the charges of terrorism were dropped a while ago for there was no proof of terrorist activity or intent. And of the 18, not all are of Maori descent. We have 'real' leaders Dragon and one of them is speaking directly in the video above. Problem is, the people dont realize this and that is why I dismiss them.

  • Fucking damn MAORI ARE Not just things! they'e not just a 2% - you don't care about soem and throw the rest away! you care for all - you haven't th balls to care for them all - you're not even capable -

  • I care about my people as a whole Dragon - but i do not suffer fools gladly. We have to clear up our own shit internally, such is true, but we also have to keep an eye on our political interests as well. Many Maori fail in this because they're either not receiving the right information or they just dont care. If they're not receiving the right information then there are ways to fix that, but if they dont care, then what do you do?

  • well the Christains have started a few campaigns in that area for ahile now - pushing ads , busffin up the area - pure marketing - redine a Maori - what a Maori should be - Maori has a tv stations - basic learning shows on fashion , clean living, or Maori living - monkey see monkey do

  • Marketing will never be enough.

    Christians have their purpose, but they too will never be enough.

    Im telling you right now only our political leaders & our community leaders can make the change - though its going to be a long time before it will be undeniably visible.

    I know my shit when it comes to my peoples issues Dragon - perhaps you should focus more on yours and keep your snout out of mine.

  • I respect your space, no need to grasp for words- I agree the political leaders are in office for a reason-

  • I'm trying to reach out to you about this Maori issue and you keep throwing it in my face - what the fuck I said with respect your goals are weak - with respect! I said everything with RESPECT!

  • I am trying to connect with you Dragon, but you just revert to talk that is irrelevant. Stay focused on the issue, not whats in your pants. I am listening - but you say little to listen to on this topic. Stick to the subject or I'll deem you unworthy of enlightenment.

  • Look All I did was say hello and you trashed me, I dont know what you're on- but you really need just get all that anger inside you out- how ever deep it is- if your parents

    touched you in anyway you should have reported it or something - do not take this stuff out on the nearest person!

  • I didnt trash you Dragon, I was just informing you that your perceptions of the situation are false or based on false ideas and/or a false analysis - to which you have failed to defend.

    You would be angry too, if you lived in your native homeland. Perhaps you should return Dragon - go home and connect yourself with your culture.

  • crabs are not your problem! I'd gladly bang you if you look giid eough, pubic hair on someones back is not an issue to start a riot over- At the very least , you could give proper head lol

  • when you start addressing the problem instead of crying about it, maybe you'll get something done

  • And what problem is that?

  • relax b1tch - let the real men handle it- just sit back and shut up- go play political watcher

  • I am relaxed Dragon - it is you who is frantically grasping at straws in an effort to have me succumbed.

    Torque was right, you're a waste of time. You're easy meat Dragon - and a girl never wants something that is too easy to get.

  • all I know is - sexual frustration is a horrible thing and when you keep that in - milk flows on it's own- and thats dangerous

  • even worse than your vision being narrow, you're conviction is weak, you personally are not fit to Govern anything, I hope you don't truly represent a party- a party that stands with an attitude like that is no party at all

    - it's whispering movenment that has no long term goals- I think we're done talking now

  • Lol. So much in you Dragon that you have failed to see. You know me not and you definitely lack understanding of where it is I stand, so id appreciate it if you would stop with the accusations. You dont even know what I stand for, so how can you pass judgement on whether or not it is just or unjust?

    Is this about the not liking Islanders thing?

  • point proven- you're weak- not being capable of a goal doesn't mean it's romanticism , it means you're just not capable usually do to ignorance- thats your needed correction and responisibilty for less than 2% of the NZ population - is a joke- other parties are playin on a whole different stage than the local teachers meeting

  • LADY! lol go cry your face some where else I don't care if you're not getting any

  • Im not crying Dragon - I dont play the victim

  • It's tru I don't know what you stang - right now you stand for crying lady on the internet too weak to get her goals across -

    am I missing something?

  • here, you want something productive to do- design me a Polynesian keyboard , that fits Male polynesian hands

  • byeee lol

  • You're running away??? Pussy. And yes you are missing something - but only because you fail o internalize information, which isnt my fault in the least.

  • Look, when I cum I like it hot- I don't like a protest outside my door every time I trash a Maori - If pissing and fucking is your only

    ability, then your culture is lost

  • ever see taht commercial where some kids throw things at bigfoot and then the animal reacts? thats you- not all Maori - but that you- I piss on you in someone elses name - you'd prolly go suck that cock for awhile

  • If you're going to start playing up Dragon im going to refuse corresponding with you. Come on, you've done well to hold out for this long, dont lose it.

  • lmao - maybe thats also your problem- you're a bigfoot with small jingle bell balls-

    I like Maori more than you I think-

  • Dragon, I never assumed you didnt like Maori. I watch & read very widely, so I've seen posts by you before - and I know that behind this smoke screen of yours is a mind that knows more than it lets on. But you cant resist in making yourself look like a fool - why that is however, i do not know.

  • You see , now I know why you don't have a man- you don't listen- a fool to a fool is no fool at all, we're not connecting, you need to connect with me- and maybe we won't fight so much

  • ish like a Don Brash ish like a fish u gotta eat or he become rotten and stink yo house up

  • I hear the Maori Party is doing pretty well-

    goodluck in Nov- I've gone after National first lol

  • So many things that can be done, hell I just thought of 10 more- but stupid to even talk about it if, you're not in politics-

    I think I commented on the vid, cause of some history debate

  • Yes there are so many things that can be done - but i dont rely on the Islanders nor even some of my own to wake up, get some intelligence and vote for the right people who have our interests truely at heart. You cheer for National? This is what im talking about - deluded, contradicting & just plain dumb. Thats what Maori are when they talk about 'splitting votes' and going with whoever looks good in the polls at the time. Fucking wake up!

  • MetalRose001 why are you even talking to me lol

  • Because you're wrong and it is my duty to inform and clear the misconceptions ignorantly held by people like you.

  • wrong about what? I didn't support the Labour Party or the National party or the Maori Party or Mr. Winston Peter's party - so how can you be correcting me? I don't like people like you who blame others for your own weakness anyway- Take responsibility- you blame other Maori? You're weak- don't hate others for your weakness- your vision is narrow also

  • Basically everything you have said here Dragon is a misconception born out of either ignorance or romanticism. Im merely correcting you thats all.

    Secondly, I dont 'hate' anyone.

    Of course I blame other Maori for our prediciment - why not - it is their own faults after all and fault goes where fault is due.

    If I am demonstrating some sort of weakness in that Dragon I have surely missed it. I take responsibility for me and my own - i only wish that others do the same.

  • point proven- you're weak- not veing capable of a goal doesn't mean it's romanticism , it means you're just not capable usually do to ignorance- thats your need correction and responisibilty for less than 2% of the NZ population - is a joke- other parties are playin on a whole different stage than the local teachers meeting

  • Actually Dragon we Maori take up over 10% of the population, not 2%

    Im not ignorant, i know exactly where my people are at, the problems we face both internally & externally and the answer to most of our issues as a people.

    If i am weak in my points of view Dragon then Id like you to elucidate on how.

    I dont think our situation is a joke and therefore im not a romantic. I do romanticize with my culture, but not with our social issues or the propaganda used to strengthen stereotypical views

  • getting more islanders in the vote seats just gives you more options to play around in - so many ways to play with- but this is umm youtube LMAO -

    I only debate pointless things on youtube lol

    real things don't need debate they need action

    and thats my 2 cents lol

  • Dragon, just because we all come from the Islands does not mean we are the same people or bear the same issues. They cannot support us and I dont think they would even try. We have to look out for and take care of ourselves as independant peoples, because thats what we are. I dont even like Islanders.

  • if majority of Islanders vote Labour Party- then your campaign would be to redefine Labour from within as an extension of your Party- I don't have some numbers in the air but- what campaign would be cheaper? instead of flipping people form the party they're used too-

  • If the majority of Islanders vote Labour then thats in their best interests, not ours. Minorities, not even as a joined collective cannot 'redefine' a major party in favour of the minority, because its the majority vote that matters if you're Labour or National. Anyway, Helen still rules the roost in Labour - what makes yout think she'll let the brownies call the shots when she wouldnt even acknowledge the US and made a mockery of the UN?

  • ron mark is really lost.Very sad to see someone like that.Its also sad to see the NZ govt going as far as placing a label and term as dangerous as "terrorists" or on the original peoples of the land ,who are merely standing up for their rights,as a way for the rest of the nation to not be able to sympathize with the issues these tribes are trying to bring to light.I dont wish for the tribes to feel that violence is how they could shed light on these issues,yet I dont think they wish dat either.

  • Apology for the dork comment.. just getting a point across. I just don't agree with that tactic. hinekpa is right about needing an informed debate...but this is youtube and only for show. more of a : post your awareness forum kinda thing lol.

    Maori have a card not played, and thats helping lift Immigration Laws from other Polynesian islands, NZ restricts more from Samoa than from Aussie, when Maori and Samoa

    and other islands have close heritage:

    IT's about votes people. Majority Rules.

  • Yes its about votes - but what makes you think that Islanders will vote in our favour as Tangata Whenua? Because I'll tell you right now the majority of Islander voters have & will probably always vote Labour.

    Anyway, letting more Islanders into NZ only increases our social problems, not help positively develop it.

  • If you don't like the island, why are you in NZ? you don't belong if you don't like it-just leave or is it financial?

    Look I know theres a race to keep up with other Islanders, but you should really embrace more-or be left out-

    I'm not talking about you really-

    anyways lol - who cares really- go try and develop something lol

  • Wot makes you think I dont like my homeland? And for your information, I did leave, though I will always belong to my Tribes, no matter what.

    I dont care if there is some sort of race to keep up with other Islanders (not sure what you mean by that btw). All I care about is the progression of my own kin - and a barrier in controlling our movement is the influx of other foreign peoples - especially Coconuts.

    And dont think your avoidance of my question hasnt gone unnoticed either.

    PS - I care.

  • You're saying you want to keep control, over other iwi, including other pacific influences and claim to be a Kiwi of New Zealand? or a person devoted to itself and direct kin?

    is that what you're saying? I don't think your problems are defined- or a campaign against Labour or National would not be so hard to come by- I don't exactly what you represent, I'm taking a guess here-

  • No thats not what im saying at all and I definitely do not regard myself as a 'Kiwi'. My problem is that our greatest struggle is internal vs external. You can only do so much in the political arena - its the change in the people that matters. Know this, Labour is our common enemy, but the people dont even realise this! It drives me insane that the stupidity of some (most) Maori people is jeopradising a chance to have an independant voice and a stronger drive for self-determination as a people.

  • see like this Untulikazi guy, prolly a dork who read too many headlines. The Maori were anything BUT victums, you change the story to suit your complaint aye? They wooped the NZ wanna-be Colonial in fair combat, Gate pa,

    the first of the wars were recatagorized and labeled as "NOT" wars, because they lost them all, at one point it took 10,000 troops brought from India JUST to take over some farmland. Maori were on both sides fight for

    the damn glory of war..victumz ...I don't think so buddy.

  • Warmest Revolutionary Greeting DragonToes13,

    We have the same problem here, the coconuts, the the government spokes person for the government in this video is one. Oh its his job right. Hone? He is a good man. We met his wife the last time they were in Ka Pae 'Aina. Fear rots the soul. Its close friend is "cowardice". New warriors are born out of struggle. Staying the victim is weak I must say. Wenawa Zulu. Tuhoe Kosi

  • The first point of the government has been reached and that is a show of violence to Tuhoe. Second, the use of the word or label of "terrorist" to justify the use of masked armed individuals to strike terror into Tahoe, on their land and in the privacy of their home. In full view of their children and women is an act of cowardice. Maori has been living under a terrorist government since they arrived. Do the right thing give it back. Stop the lies. Malama Pono

  • Maori are a dam proud people and I have full respect for them!!

  • Ron Mark looks like, dresses like, walks like, behaves like a traitor to his own indigenous people.

  • lol@ ron mark stupid fucken maori I like the pommy guy.

  • wow there are some angry comments here... theres no need for maori bashing on the youtube man... we need informed debate, not verbal diarrhea over the internet...

  • Ron Marks is the scapegoat in this matter yet he plays his part with conviction. I've seen Politicians do worse. The 'terrorist' laws empower govts to oppress and NZers have to lead the way - as we do - and state the obvious.

  • How in thell can you claim Warrior of the Mist and cry like a b1tch on TV??? what the fuck? Colonials got sh1t in tha faced, you're pisse off about land, cause you've turned into a passive b1tch baby and now you make yourself look worse my going on tv trying to use the Colonial card whe you in fact you're making your own people look like idiots

  • God get te fuck off TV you crying fuck!, how could you call yourself Maori, and conduct yourself in that b1tch of a manner, solve your problem, STOP YOUR FUCKING CRYING!

  • It's "children of the mist". The only crying I hear is coming from you crying about Maori standing up for themselves, and not giving in to the struggles ever since the treaty. What are you if you don't stand up for what you believe in? And 'passive' you say? What's passive about being assertive with your beliefs and rights? Passive would be to do nothing!

  • brathaspartan... Fighting the good fight has nothing to do with making yourself look the fool on tv, or playing the victumz card. If you're going to fight the fight...then ummm..well fight! Passive would be doing nothing? tell that Ghandi...I didn't say be passive I didn't say be aggresive, I said for Christ sake shutup the fuck up and play ball already, always ya hear the idiot..."Oh we don't have anything cause the gov" Get the fuck up and get it is usually the solution.

  • I was sure that I replied to this already! It seems not. Read your own comment - "passive little b1tch baby". Who are you directing that at exactly? Your comments are a little confusing. From this comment, I gathered that you see this as crying, but I interpreted it differently. Im not even sure we're on the same page, and I can't remember comprehensively the jist of the video Lol.

  • There are serious implications to the actions taken and the subsequent rhetoric by both sides of the conflict.

    Unfortunately in the middle of this are the average Maori and non Maori in Aotearoa who will be wary of engaging in a meaningful manner.

    The key to the resolution of this issue is to ensure that this it remains fresh in peoples minds. The Helen Clark Labour Government should not be allowed to let this issue pass unnoticed when bidding for another term.

  • Full marks saint,

    too much cuz!!!

  • Ron Marks will lose his seat in next election

    The Maori party will increase its seats in the next election because the Govt made a big blunder in regard to this action notwithstanding the apology from Police Commisioner Boyd-RJ

  • I pray for that day hes an iraq terrorist who pretends he is Kahungunu, he is also a mongrel, a dog and is W peters arse licker i pray one day he will get his for what he did to my family in his climb to fame, and for that reason he is an absolute disgrace to Kahungunu and they should wake up and realise that

  • Ron Mark is NZ's George W. Bush.

  • hes a terrorist

  • Pono Ana, like his bro Winston Peters, who wishes to kiss Condaleeza's butt, & put the fear of GW into the hearts of NZers, the biggest Terrorist in the world. They just want to shut us up, before they give our oil reserves to the USA. Note the word "give" because that's what the Govt. Bleach-bumboys intend doing & there's no media covering that... Thank you Al Jazeera

  • they are all kissing each others butts

  • Ron mark is a short arse piece of kupapa shit

  • ye someone agrees with me

  • Ridiculous police operation!!!

    Ridiculous arguments given by Ron Mark!!!

  • Oh, Ron. Silly, silly man.

  • lol... Ron Mark is a Republican!

  • All oppressive governments are now using the 'terrorist' arguments to clamp down control on their population...

  • There will be more of the same, they build up fear in the population then use the idea of terrorists in our midst to push through unjust law.

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