This is amazing to hear. Holy crap! Hearing Bonham is genius. This has always been my favorite Zeppelin song. Bonham's inside out beat is just simply perfect.
THIS IS CALLED MAKING MUSIC. Not something pre made, and pre written. Most popstars today dont even write there own lyrics and they are given pre made beats.
the bottom number can also exceed 32, technically. you could have, say
20/64, 20 64th beats to a measure.
I just don't see how you would have 5/9/11/13 as the bottom number because you can adjust the notes in the measure with symbols to say exactly how many notes you want to hit in a beat. You can go as far as double dotting, and even triple dotting notes (double dotted would be 1 note length + .5 note length + .25 note length, tripled dotted - etc.).
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe I seriously doubt Zeppelin wrote out the 20/64. I would say... They just were playing, wrote a riff, jammed to it. There's Black Dog. The amazing creation out of nothing. The more you think mathematically about music, the less creative you'll be. Just write songs. PERIOD.
@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
@Who2Are1You I think you should have done some research before scoring off someone. The bottom number can NOT only be 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32. It can be 5, 9, 11 and 13 as well. In fact there might be more odd time signatures I don't even know. Most likely in ethnic music styles. If you don't believe me and need a proof then go listen to some Turkish or Gypsy music. They often play 9/8. Another good example is Dave Brubeck's take five which is 5/4.
@guru1349 Okay. What is a 5th note? What is a 9th note... or an 11th or 13th note?? Odd time is when the TOP number is odd. 3/4 is 3 quarter notes per measure. 9/8 is 9 eight notes per measure.
Tell me where you get these secret 5th and 9th notes..........
@Who2Are1You About my first comment; I think I misunderstood what you said.Guess it's a pointless comment right now.But forget it I'll respond to your latest comment. I think my English is not enough to explain well enough but I'll try.Well 5th or 9th note is not impossible.It's just the number of fractions of a whole note(which is four quarter notes).Here's an example: 4/4 implies a bar construction of four quarter-parts of a whole note 4/3 implies a bar construction of four third parts of it.
4/8ths mean that there are 4 8th notes to one measure. 4/4 means there are 4 quarter notes to 1 measer. 4/2 means there are 4 half notes to one measure. 5/4 means there are 5 quarter notes, 5/8ths means there are 5 8ths notes to a measure.
9/8 means 9 eigth notes to a measure, and 5/4 means 5 quarter notes. These are not strange time signatures, they are just how many notes go to each measure, simple as.
It's rare, and I know it will blow your mind. But the bottom number CAN be something other than a multiple of two. You're not going to find it in popular music, but some contemporary classical music (works by Brian Fernyhough, for example,) contain meters like 3/10 or 2/6 or 5/16. Look up "irrational meter."
@pulykamell That my friend is called mental masturbation ! We had a guy writing shit like that in my high garage-band. He used to roll a joint in the middle of the song too - the point being is it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing and I don't thing anybody canawing in 3 / 10 ! Maybe Zappa used some of this I'm not sure
but I'm sure if he did the composition doesn't swing
@phase901 Seriously, look him up. He's quite a respected composer. There's a good argument for why someone would want to write a piece in irrational meters--it actually does look simpler if you understand what you're looking at. I confess, though, it's all beyond my ability to read, but that's because I was taught within a typical classical framework, where only powers of two can be on the bottom of a time signature.
@guru1349 This is because when you read music, they have dots and symbols which symbolize which notes should be cut short, and which notes should be held for longer.
A quarter note dotted would be a beat and a half, A half note dotted would be 3 beats. An eighth note dotted would be one 8th note + one 16th note, etc. So there are very many ways to manipulate time in a simple time signature.
most likely if you listened and counted out the beats, you could count it under a steady beat.
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe Well about that, forget everything I said about "odd times" like 5/4 and 9/8 because it was a misunderstanding that made me talk about those.I figured they had nothing to do with our topic.Wish I could explain my thoughts better.Well I might sound stupid but the reason I misunderstood is I didn't read carefully and I thought he/she was talking about the other number.9/8 for example. He/she meant 8 but I thought he/she meant 9.So I couldn't help but intervene :)
@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
The sound is magic, pure Zeppelin! Whatever they smoke, I got to try it out it must be some crazy ass Kashmir, well, they got the creative and the knowledge too! John Paul, Bonzo, Page and Plant is way much better than all the braindead pop musicians today!! Agree?
Lots of respect for such awesome musicians. They are admired by all musicians around the world and always will be. At least good musicians. Peace. Oh yeah they got really high too we all do.
@angusyounghero Page isn't unsure, idiot! At this point he's got a lot of different interpretations going on in his head that he's experimenting with. Page is great at doing different versions/alternate takes on things. Partly from his studio session days doing alternate takes of songs.
@trufflesmell John Paul Jones originally wanted the song recorded in 3/16 time but realised it was too complex to reproduce live. citation - Dave Lewis (1991), "The Making of Led Zep IV" in Led Zeppelin: A Celebration II, London: Omnibus Press, ISBN 1-84449-056-4, p. 22
Pernickety enough? Honestly, you never get this rubbish on Grateful Dead pages.....
@FrankP1969 I forget which bootleg this comes from. I got a lot of my bootlegs from downloads that I randomly found on the internet at various sites. I can give you the site if anybody wants to send me a private message
Dios mio... estan pariendo una cancion inmortal...clasico de clasicos, (Y una de las tablaturas mas difundidas para guitarra de toda la historia)... escuchar esto no tiene precio...
You're right! He sounds like he's driving the whole thing...helping Bonzo figure out the drum figure to play over the top of the guitar bass part which shifts time in the middle. Love these kinds of outtakes. You can really feel what was going on in the room.
These were four superb musicians and Led Zep as a whole being greater than the sum of it's parts. Rehearsal recordings show that even geniuses have to work hard to get it right and at the end of the day it was really just four guys making music. To all of you that play in bands, keep your recordings too. Terrible as they might be, you'll treasure them one day.
jimmy playin his telecaster? what i don't understand is why they recorded the rehearsals....and how do the rehearsals become exposed to the public anyway? i would really like to know that
Sounds to me like they're still working the song out so they probably record the session so they can listen back and pick out the bits that sound good. Then one day a producer or sound engineer etc comes across the tape and thinks hmmm...probably worth a few bob this.
page has EVERYTHING or shall i say had, everything ever recorded. every soundboard from every concert, all his rehearsal tapes. his "castle" was robbed in the 80s when he was away and someone got a hold of a lot of bootlegs n tapes like these. thats where you get soundboard recordings of concerts and rehearsals.
Damn... Jimmy sings the guitar part at the end....just like I do when I'm listening to Black Dog.
MagickZoso 3 weeks ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
renfredful 1 month ago
something makes me think JPJ came up with this riff.
Ignore14 1 month ago
that bass'll make u shit ur pants
flashpoint4eva 2 months ago
he has to have the same hair person as Farrah Fawcett
paulgad 2 months ago
JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
motatoable 2 months ago
This is amazing to hear. Holy crap! Hearing Bonham is genius. This has always been my favorite Zeppelin song. Bonham's inside out beat is just simply perfect.
herbiesnerd 3 months ago
SWEET , THANKS , COOLNESS , AL
AL2000FL 3 months ago
@Rawbeautyrecords i wish i could like ur comment 100 times
zeppelinrocks100 3 months ago
haha bassists have a tendency to play when others are talking. i do it myself.
m4kes0meno1se 3 months ago
i give jpj credit for black dog now lol!
Hairychimz42 4 months ago
F$%^ING AWESOME!!!!!
mattdaddyful 5 months ago
THIS IS CALLED MAKING MUSIC. Not something pre made, and pre written. Most popstars today dont even write there own lyrics and they are given pre made beats.
Phenomenon58 6 months ago 2
wow john paul jones was really leading them there
andrewroach91 6 months ago
They're Human!
CusterFlux 8 months ago
Very very cool!
pickytub1 9 months ago
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Way Freakin' cool !!!!!!!!!!!
pickytub1 9 months ago
Way Freakin' cool!!!!!!!!!!!
pickytub1 9 months ago
Plant looks like he's totally tripping... xD
jimbe1969 10 months ago 2
the bottom number can also exceed 32, technically. you could have, say
20/64, 20 64th beats to a measure.
I just don't see how you would have 5/9/11/13 as the bottom number because you can adjust the notes in the measure with symbols to say exactly how many notes you want to hit in a beat. You can go as far as double dotting, and even triple dotting notes (double dotted would be 1 note length + .5 note length + .25 note length, tripled dotted - etc.).
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 11 months ago
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe I seriously doubt Zeppelin wrote out the 20/64. I would say... They just were playing, wrote a riff, jammed to it. There's Black Dog. The amazing creation out of nothing. The more you think mathematically about music, the less creative you'll be. Just write songs. PERIOD.
Rawbeautyrecords 4 months ago 3
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe
Irrational Time Signature.
Situation resolved :)
JordanPurcell92 1 month ago
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@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
Best regards.
guru1349 11 months ago
...and for the idiot saying 13/12 is a time signature... you are a jackass.
The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32... the top number can be ANYTHING. 1,235,743,245,987/16 IS a time signature.
13/12 isn't.
Who2Are1You 11 months ago
@Who2Are1You I think you should have done some research before scoring off someone. The bottom number can NOT only be 2, 4, 8, 16 or 32. It can be 5, 9, 11 and 13 as well. In fact there might be more odd time signatures I don't even know. Most likely in ethnic music styles. If you don't believe me and need a proof then go listen to some Turkish or Gypsy music. They often play 9/8. Another good example is Dave Brubeck's take five which is 5/4.
guru1349 11 months ago
@guru1349 Okay. What is a 5th note? What is a 9th note... or an 11th or 13th note?? Odd time is when the TOP number is odd. 3/4 is 3 quarter notes per measure. 9/8 is 9 eight notes per measure.
Tell me where you get these secret 5th and 9th notes..........
Who2Are1You 11 months ago
@Who2Are1You About my first comment; I think I misunderstood what you said.Guess it's a pointless comment right now.But forget it I'll respond to your latest comment. I think my English is not enough to explain well enough but I'll try.Well 5th or 9th note is not impossible.It's just the number of fractions of a whole note(which is four quarter notes).Here's an example: 4/4 implies a bar construction of four quarter-parts of a whole note 4/3 implies a bar construction of four third parts of it.
guru1349 11 months ago
@Who2Are1You So if you break down a whole note to 5 pieces, they are each 5th notes. It doesn't have to be 2, 2x2, 2x2x2, 2x2x2x2...
Again, I'm sorry about my first comment. Apparently I misunderstood what you said.
guru1349 11 months ago
@guru1349
The bottom number can only be 2/4/8/16/32.
4/8ths mean that there are 4 8th notes to one measure. 4/4 means there are 4 quarter notes to 1 measer. 4/2 means there are 4 half notes to one measure. 5/4 means there are 5 quarter notes, 5/8ths means there are 5 8ths notes to a measure.
9/8 means 9 eigth notes to a measure, and 5/4 means 5 quarter notes. These are not strange time signatures, they are just how many notes go to each measure, simple as.
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 11 months ago
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe
It's rare, and I know it will blow your mind. But the bottom number CAN be something other than a multiple of two. You're not going to find it in popular music, but some contemporary classical music (works by Brian Fernyhough, for example,) contain meters like 3/10 or 2/6 or 5/16. Look up "irrational meter."
pulykamell 6 months ago
@pulykamell That my friend is called mental masturbation ! We had a guy writing shit like that in my high garage-band. He used to roll a joint in the middle of the song too - the point being is it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing and I don't thing anybody canawing in 3 / 10 ! Maybe Zappa used some of this I'm not sure
but I'm sure if he did the composition doesn't swing
phase901 5 months ago
@phase901 Seriously, look him up. He's quite a respected composer. There's a good argument for why someone would want to write a piece in irrational meters--it actually does look simpler if you understand what you're looking at. I confess, though, it's all beyond my ability to read, but that's because I was taught within a typical classical framework, where only powers of two can be on the bottom of a time signature.
pulykamell 5 months ago
@guru1349
It would be five quarter notes, written as 5/4.
mjazzguitar 4 months ago
@guru1349 This is because when you read music, they have dots and symbols which symbolize which notes should be cut short, and which notes should be held for longer.
A quarter note dotted would be a beat and a half, A half note dotted would be 3 beats. An eighth note dotted would be one 8th note + one 16th note, etc. So there are very many ways to manipulate time in a simple time signature.
most likely if you listened and counted out the beats, you could count it under a steady beat.
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 11 months ago
@SqueezeMyLemonBabe Well about that, forget everything I said about "odd times" like 5/4 and 9/8 because it was a misunderstanding that made me talk about those.I figured they had nothing to do with our topic.Wish I could explain my thoughts better.Well I might sound stupid but the reason I misunderstood is I didn't read carefully and I thought he/she was talking about the other number.9/8 for example. He/she meant 8 but I thought he/she meant 9.So I couldn't help but intervene :)
guru1349 11 months ago
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@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
Best regards.
guru1349 11 months ago
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@Who2Are1You Even though these odd time signatures are not so common, they do exist. There is no such thing as "The bottom number can only be a 2, 4, 8, 16, or, 32...". You can't limit this. So my advice is to open your mind and don't stick to what you already know. Oh also don't be so arrogant.
Best regards.
guru1349 11 months ago
2:09 For all of you saying it's not Zeppelin... listen to Robert's Plant laugh. It's very, very unique.
Compare it to the very end of 'Boogie With Stu'... same laugh.
Who2Are1You 11 months ago 2
Yes, this was originally a JPJ riff. Tricky timing!! Thanks for posting!
capmkrob 11 months ago
The sound is magic, pure Zeppelin! Whatever they smoke, I got to try it out it must be some crazy ass Kashmir, well, they got the creative and the knowledge too! John Paul, Bonzo, Page and Plant is way much better than all the braindead pop musicians today!! Agree?
FastLaneRebels 1 year ago
JPJ is amazing on this!!
coltsuperocean10 1 year ago
God. I feel like I were there.
Misirlau 1 year ago
the bass guitar sounds fuckin bad ass. the tone is sik!
actiondown 1 year ago 7
0 people are...wait what?
TheChegster 1 year ago
Lots of respect for such awesome musicians. They are admired by all musicians around the world and always will be. At least good musicians. Peace. Oh yeah they got really high too we all do.
MrReallyHard 1 year ago
JPJ IS Boss. Here Here. Great Bootleg. Where can I get these?
boogiemaam 1 year ago
I don't know what I've been told eskimo p.... is mighty cold.
klipsch540 1 year ago
lol i love how jones knows his bass part and page seems unsure of what hes doing
angusyounghero 1 year ago
@angusyounghero That is because JPJ wrote the riff and presented it to the band. So Page had to learn it from him.
USAvictory2010 1 year ago 3
@USAvictory2010 Yes...JPJ presented it but you can hear how they are all working on getting the final arrangements.
Orion579 1 year ago
@angusyounghero Page isn't unsure, idiot! At this point he's got a lot of different interpretations going on in his head that he's experimenting with. Page is great at doing different versions/alternate takes on things. Partly from his studio session days doing alternate takes of songs.
dokokai 9 months ago
BONHAM !
nehansan 1 year ago
Rip it up JPJ
treebobjoe 1 year ago 2
JPJ FTW
6StringMatty 1 year ago
que sorte teve Jimmy Page, em ter John Paul Jones como integrante do Led Zeppelin
jc19641 2 years ago
Bonzo's chops are so spot on... damn.
SunnyCool 2 years ago 2
I love the bass sound...Led Zeppelin! Greatest Band Ever!!!
MrCrisRocksz 2 years ago 2
What time signature was it originally in? It was like 13/12 or something. I'd kill, or maybe at least be a tad nasty to hear that.
trufflesmell 2 years ago
13/12 isnt even a thing..
benturki 1 year ago
@benturki How can it not be? Any time sig is possible.
trufflesmell 1 year ago
@trufflesmell well not realy. as there isnt such a thing as a 12th of a note? describe to me how you would count in like double dotted semiquavers?
benturki 1 year ago
@trufflesmell Exactly you cant you are wrong 13/12 is a recognised time signature!
benturki 1 year ago
@trufflesmell The song is split up into sections of 4/4, 5/4, and 5/8
treebobjoe 1 year ago
@trufflesmell John Paul Jones originally wanted the song recorded in 3/16 time but realised it was too complex to reproduce live. citation - Dave Lewis (1991), "The Making of Led Zep IV" in Led Zeppelin: A Celebration II, London: Omnibus Press, ISBN 1-84449-056-4, p. 22
Pernickety enough? Honestly, you never get this rubbish on Grateful Dead pages.....
trufflesmell 1 year ago 4
eu tenho isso completo em CD.
jc19641 2 years ago 2
Would love to have been in the room for this.This is some amazing stuff,you can hear them working through the song...aaahh masters at work.
43bumpy 2 years ago 5
fuck!!!! where did you find it??
FrankP1969 2 years ago 15
@FrankP1969 I forget which bootleg this comes from. I got a lot of my bootlegs from downloads that I randomly found on the internet at various sites. I can give you the site if anybody wants to send me a private message
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 2 years ago
torrents man....pretty easy to get lol :p
zosorunes91 2 years ago
Dios mio... estan pariendo una cancion inmortal...clasico de clasicos, (Y una de las tablaturas mas difundidas para guitarra de toda la historia)... escuchar esto no tiene precio...
Pablito73X 2 years ago 5
black dog being constructed with the words of honeybee or sweet pea honey bee wont ya be my baby. honey be my gal honey bee be my own
anonwebserfer 2 years ago 3
is this realy led zeppelin.. if so where the fuck did u get this stuff dude its amazing!
mattyboyovadanet 2 years ago 3
This is real. I remember this from a VINYL bootleg LP that i heard back in the mid 80s
Seanman5000 7 months ago
The kings of rock in action.
HLYWDRMR 2 years ago 4
Wow. What I wouldn't give to see this in action.
avonlady777 2 years ago
JPJ is boss
steffsweet45 2 years ago 53
sweet...where did this shit come from?...awesome..!!..
synesthesia67 2 years ago
Bootlegs.
dinkydao 2 years ago
this is awesome ive always wanted to hear something like this..... also,i love ur profle pic lol that looks like some really good weed
GuitarLedZeppelin 2 years ago
I wish they would release all of the studio outtakes remasterd, like the beatles anthology, greta to hear how songs evolve
banditboy6666 2 years ago 4
go john paul jones
steffsweet45 2 years ago 59
You're right! He sounds like he's driving the whole thing...helping Bonzo figure out the drum figure to play over the top of the guitar bass part which shifts time in the middle. Love these kinds of outtakes. You can really feel what was going on in the room.
deadbeatdad 2 years ago 2
These were four superb musicians and Led Zep as a whole being greater than the sum of it's parts. Rehearsal recordings show that even geniuses have to work hard to get it right and at the end of the day it was really just four guys making music. To all of you that play in bands, keep your recordings too. Terrible as they might be, you'll treasure them one day.
ripfos 2 years ago 10
2:42!
mikezephyr 2 years ago 5
Yeah, this stuff has been out since the late 80's. Classic stuff..
kingrue69 2 years ago 4
jimmy playin his telecaster? what i don't understand is why they recorded the rehearsals....and how do the rehearsals become exposed to the public anyway? i would really like to know that
CallMeTheHunter 2 years ago
Sounds to me like they're still working the song out so they probably record the session so they can listen back and pick out the bits that sound good. Then one day a producer or sound engineer etc comes across the tape and thinks hmmm...probably worth a few bob this.
matrags 2 years ago 2
page has EVERYTHING or shall i say had, everything ever recorded. every soundboard from every concert, all his rehearsal tapes. his "castle" was robbed in the 80s when he was away and someone got a hold of a lot of bootlegs n tapes like these. thats where you get soundboard recordings of concerts and rehearsals.
livezeppelin 2 years ago 5
This was a John Paul Jones riff. He came up with it.
zetetic0void 2 years ago 8
JPJ is genius. <333
xXxImgnePcexXx 2 years ago 11
YEAH!
jonatura 2 years ago 2
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jonatura 2 years ago
Black Dog is one of my favorite Zeppelin songs ever, but I never heard this rehearsal clip before. Fuckin' A!
dks0442 2 years ago 2
true dat
CallMeTheHunter 2 years ago
thank you for posting this
pjsbulldog67 3 years ago 2
Bonham's groove is ridiculous
pretaanluxis 3 years ago 9
i know right, he fucking rips it here
abcccccdd 3 years ago 2
I'm glad u can hear JPJ loud and proud in all his glory!!
Long live the Zepp
x
billiondollarbabi 3 years ago 7
Fuck, Bonham's kit sounds like Thunder! I love it!
PIGd3stroyer 3 years ago 8
Hell Yes' Bonham's drums always sounded brilliant.
LoveIsADarkPlace 2 years ago
this is absolute gold - thanks for posting!
hallsy72 3 years ago 2
hahhaha jimmy is singing the guitar part
nick52695 3 years ago 5
sorry,bonham's snare would NEVER sound like that
MISSEDHERSIR 3 years ago
oh yea!
verily59 3 years ago
ummm... where can i get?
jacmas 3 years ago
Cool! Love that picture, too.
barbh1 3 years ago
lol "i love how jpj just goe when they were arguing during the middle. at least thats what it sounds like lol
Link0t 3 years ago
wow what beautiful hair...
this is great rock 'n' roll XD
benimalover 3 years ago 3
wow, man...these bootlegs sound nothing like the serious songs.
danslatente 3 years ago
thats why its called a rehearsal...
idiotequedwaal 3 years ago
do you own the bootleg?
AloneWithAIDSrobot 3 years ago
I do if you're asking me
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 3 years ago
on what? vinyl, 4 track, or something else?
AloneWithAIDSrobot 3 years ago
fantastic! thanks for sharing
Potedervas 3 years ago
Wooohooo the greatest guitar ever- Jimmyyyy!
Nefelits 3 years ago
i'm jealous of his hair.
surrealisticpill 3 years ago 8
everybody seems to be lol
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 3 years ago 2
grate find.. thanks for posting
WolfCoalition 3 years ago
Sure thing, glad you enjoy it!!
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 3 years ago
I learn more about bands through these kinds of tapes. Thanks for sharing!
Koda007 3 years ago 2
Anytime!!
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 3 years ago
OMG!! great vid!!!
BTW, love the pic!!
Surfers7 3 years ago
Thanks, glad you enjoy it!
SqueezeMyLemonBabe 3 years ago
oh yeah it's your fave one xD
Nefelits 3 years ago