@hqueh can you prove that " Slain in the spirit" is biblical? Calling the guy an "idiot" is not the fruit of the Spirit. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22, 23 ESV) No where in scripture says that men will be falling over when a person lays their hands on them. The Spirit Points to Christ! True blasphemy of the spirit is rejection of Christ with true knowledge
@allansoz Satan rather have you following a deception and be religious and following a false image of God, Christ and holy spirit, than lost in the world. Don't base your beliefs on experiences, but base it to scripture. Compare your experience if they align to scripture. Scripture is holy spirit inspired. The holy spirit points to Christ not experiences. Matthew 7:21-23 points to people who thought they where Christians but were lost. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not p
@Allansoz Scripture tells us to test EVERY spirit if is from. 1 John 4:1 how do you test every spirit? Read your bible and know who God really is and how he really operates. The Holy Spirit points to Christ and to the scriptures. Be like the Bereans Acts 17:10-11 Check out the verses I provided and be cautious on what you believe. Satan comes as an Angel of light, .., con
@Allansoz Can you prove with Scripture that your experience was from God? Where does in the bible say that God works that way? The Bible does say. Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1 ESV) Slain in the spirit to my knowledge is unbiblical. Not everyone who says Lord!! Lord!! to Jesus will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Scripture tells us to test EVERY spirit if is fro
I know that they holy spirit is real. I was very sceptical about the whole falling over thing but it happened to me. My legs completely lost all strength and I was lowered to the floor, I then had wave after wave after wave of complete rushing love and peace go through my body. SO much it made me cry my eyes out. I was very determined that I wasnt going to go down on that floor but God was very determined that I was. music playing or not, it hit me like a bolt of lightning.
These guys are idiots..this kind of thing is suppose to happen in the last days..the Jews told Jesus he was demon possessed for casting out demons...there's no doubt there are fakes like this dude that's talking here..that just goes to show the Holy Spirit has more power than the fraud that is on the pulpit..he never experienced anything real of course due to the Judas effect..he never had anything real..other's do..no forgiveness for Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit..this is Blasphemy..
kjv,KING JAMES BIBLE,leviticus ch 11,says animals with cloven hoofs r kosher,clean for Jews to eat,acts ch2,cloven tongues of fire,sat on each worshipper.so kosher animals,predict the HOLY SPIRIT,MODERN english BIBLES,says animals with a separated foot,split foot, acts ch2,separated tongues of fire,split tongues of fire sat on each of them.these clean animals,separated JEWISH worshippers,,,separated tongues of fire,separate us from sin,sinful folks,chewing the cud,regurgitateing scripture verse
Men with bibles can make many believe about anything they want.
The bible has no authority, it was compiled by Constantine a sun god worshiper and authorized by King James a homosexual born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, 66 books that you carry in your hand and memorize in your head, the mark of the beast.
@trrose9485 Um, you realize that the bible can't talk, right? I hope that you come to realize that the Holy Ghost can talk and the Holy Ghost told me THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
If you don't believe then the next time you go to church tear up a bible, you'll come away with a different point of view.
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST I don't believe you. I believe you're a troll. If you were serious, I would debate you. Otherwise, please, don't speak in ignorance.
@trrose9485 What you are really saying is that you are a coward and you know that if you tear up a bible Satan will attack you. If you tear one up in a grocery store, you will not be able to buy groceries. You have accepted Satan as your master with a book. The fearful will have their place in the pit. You are blessed to talk to a real son of God, now you know where you will spend eternity if you don't repent and get filled with the Holy Ghost.
I have been to several denominations. I got to say, The Pentecostal Holiness has been the most real experience I have ever had in my entire life. G-D is real and so is satan. The power I have witnessed in Pentecostals Church, Seen people healed miraculous, demonic exposures and exorcisms. Passing out in the spirit. "personally". This Holly Ghost experience is the most real thing I have found.
I pray that many will find the Peace Beyond all Understanding I have found in CHRIST.
They are a bunch of Idiots cut loose. People get caught up in the moment and lose out. Most people in this cult are criminals, convicts, drug addicts, rapists, child molesters. So beware, if you go there. They will even force you to sign up for their inbreeding program.
God has healed me personally-I KNOW that The Holy Ghost is real and the Name of Jesus has power beyond understanding.There are bad people and fakers in every religion and that is a shame! You can't single out any one flavor. I have been to Catholic shrines that have crutches, cains covering the walls and ceilings! God honors faith and believing regardless of your "brand" of religion. PS- at 8:26 "these people kill more than they heal" - show some stats or don't throw around scare tactic rhetoric
I'm an Ex-UPCI member, of 5 years being a worship leader, and was taught that God had healed me of bipolar After I was told I was healed of bipolar, I went off my meds since I didn't need them, so to say. All in all, it wasn't a great idea. I had an episode and went back into the hospital a few weeks after stopping my meds. This was told to me by my pastor who is good friends with the Mangun family. Any UPCI member would know them. After I left, I learned everything fake about them.
I know nothing about the tactics to perform false healing, all I know is when I pray with a simple prayer for healing in Jesus name, I see myself God heals the people who are sick. Some are instantly healed but some needs process to be healed perfectly. I don't care what you guys are saying, but I believe the miracles are still TRUE in Jesus name alone.
@MacAttack3310 God through Jesus is using people for real. Why you think that it is the devil that is using them, I want you to think also that the devil uses people even though sincere in heart to stand against the truth unknowningly. While some of this happenings might puzzle you or blow your mind, God is involved in some of them
"And whennnnn, they went to theirrrrr church, they shook, and lurched all over the church floor. He couldn't quite explain it, they'd always just gonnnnnnnne therrrrrrrrre. Mmm mmm mmm mmm, Mmm mmm mmm mmm."
Todd Friel is a person who rejects the power of the holy ghost. Friel himself refutes the gifts as something that is for today, he is adamently baptist/calvinist in his theology and he rejects the enfilling of the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I have many times confronted Friel and not once will he debate me. Mark Haville is simply confused. I've seen genuine healings in my life, things that could only be explained as genuine miracles.
@voiceofelijah2012 I agree that our Lord still works miracles today. I have seen them and I have personally experienced physical healing after laying hands on myself and praying. I fell asleep and woke up haled. So, yes miracles, signs and wonders still happen. It's just sad that believers are not use to experiencing them.
LOL! Just because the field is rife with as many tares as wheat does not make the wheat any less valuable. Jesus Himself said let the wheat and tares grow together, and that He would winnow them Himself during the harvest.
@neneborikua09 Well obviously. No one is arguing that. The issue here is people who claim to be healers and miracle workers but who are con-artists. NO where in scripture does the holy spirit throw some one down to the floor, falling backwards. The holy spirit is the spirit of truth and peace. People barking, laughing and falling over on the floor is not Holy in any sense of the word. People need to stop relying on feelings and emotion and rely on Jesus and scripture.
@RasheemH And yet at the day of Pentecost they perceived that the disciples were drunk, well from my experience drunk ppl are usually laughing and falling down
Healing is happening is not by the preacher or anything else but only by the faith of the sick.irrespective of caste,religion they need only faith in God to get healed
excuse me, but it does not matter if the sick person believes or not... the person which calls that sick person up for prayer has to believe. that sick man in the bed that was let down through the roof had no faith,, but the ones who let him down thru the roof and Jesus seeing their faith,, healed that man aka:sick person..
If someone wants to find an answer they do not need a church of ANY faith to do it. A higher power exists. It cant be named. I call it God but nobody knows for sure. You think of a question you put it out there and something will take place. You may not even know until much later that you were answered.
It's not hypnosis, I'm sick of hearing this reason. It's group dynamics, adrenaline rushes, placebo, and indoctrination. I was in a pentecostal church for 28 years. "Healings" and people getting "slain in the Spirit" are side-effects of everyone in the same room believing the same thing and getting hyped up by a preacher.
@Discern4 Yeah, placebo can make broken bones whole... Yeah Adrenaline rushes can restore sight to the blind....... Jesus and the founding fathers of the Christian Faith must've used a lot of hype,group dynamics, and indoctrination....
@blkedwashedazn Then where's all the evidence? Why aren't scientists banging down church doors trying to run tests on those healed? How much better would our world be if these healings were proven by scientists, which in turned proved God exists?
But instead all we see is a lot of smoke and no fire. A bunch of personal testimonies that in the end amount to nothing due to a consistent lack of proof. If it were real, we should have 2000 years worth of evidence of miraculous healings. But we don't.
@Discern4 "Why aren't scientists banging down church doors trying to run tests on those healed?"
First, there has been healings verified throughout the world right now. For example, I have a friend who has an x-ray with his hip being out of alignment. Weeks later, he goes back in, his hips are in place, no more back pain, etc etc. There are documented evidence through the medical field of people with stage 4 cancer miraculously getting well, no more cancer cell in their body.
@Discern4 You can contact Oral Roberts University, and they will be happy to provide you with hundreds of X-Rays, diagnosis, testimonies, etc, from doctors and medical clinics. Why is so many people not aware of this? First of all, That's a lie, just because you or some people from youtube never witness it doesn't mean you guys are the majority. 2nd, Our society is ignorant when it comes the real world. Like the fact that 50% of the worlds population are below the poverty line.
@blkedwashedazn Media show what you want to see, media doesn't want you to see miracles, healings, etc, that shows the nature of God. Of course not! They show you useless things like mtv, reality shows, etc. When was the last time you saw the news do a report about how HUNDREDS of Thousands of Kids are sold off to sexual slavery in Asia, Africa, South America, an year. They don't want you to know that right now, a 5 year old in China/India are laboring/working for 14hrs a day
@blkedwashedazn I was in christianity for 30 years and saw countless people being healed by God....except all I saw were them SAYING they were healed. There was no genuine proof. Sure, some of them go back for x-rays, etc, but upon further investigation it's not very convincing. Too many anomalies, misdiagnoses, cancer remissions, false positives.
If it's real, YouTube and TV news should be FILLED with limbs growing back, spots and bruises disappearing before our eyes, and so on. But it's not.
@Discern4 Upon what further investigation? I already told you to go to Oral Roberts University, go check out history books and biography/autobiography about Finny, Spurgeon, Martin Luther, John Edwards, etc. They all testify the same thing about healing even back in the day. And these man of God are respected and relied for their theological/evangelical stance. Please tell me what youtube/tv news are not filled with kids laboring 14hrs a day in a sweatshop. Please let me know.
Asking them questions about their healing. Turns out the evidence just isn't convincing, or is too ambiguous. Or the illness is so subjective, like a headache, that we can't prove either way if a healing has taken place. Time and time again, concrete proof eludes us.
"media doesn't want you to see miracles"
Come on. After 2000 years, if christian miracles were real, everyone would know they existed. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
@Discern4 Where do you get this source? You are just making unsupported statements. Like I already told you, go do your homework. There are Universities/ History books that proves otherwise.I already said this so many times, I don't think you understand the point. If hundreds of thousands of kids are sold off to sexual slavery and kids are forced to labor for the rest of their lives in India/china,etc so according to you everyone would know of this condition right or it's just a lie.
@blkedwashedazn No one denies that child slavery still happens. There are even recent documentaries on it. However, supernatural miracles are definitely contested for a reason. Just like UFO visitations, there's a lot of personal 'testimonies', but that's not proof. A book with someone's testimony of healing is not proof, just like I can't write a book saying I was healed of aids and expect people to believe it because I said so. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
@Discern4 You are not answering my question.Give me your credible source on your blatant statement. A book with testimony of healing is credible if it is validated by non-biased medical sources. Like I said so many times, there are people with x-rays with broken bones and when it should take 3 months for them to heal, they get healed in just a prayer. A broken bone doesn't just automatically snap back because of wishful thinking.
@Discern4 "No one denies that child slavery still happens." Sorry but not everyone knows. And those people who are informed are still ignorant of what happens, it's just statistics to them. It's a fact that genocides like Rwanda, Darfur, Nazi camps, happened. There are thousands of people who deny that they ever happened... If you say 'testimonies' are not credible then you must rip off 100% of history, because majority of history are through eye witness/mouth to mouth accounts...
@blkedwashedazn I used to be as fired-up as you when it came to proof of miracles and the power of God moving upon people's lives today. I also made excuses for the lack of media coverage ("God hides His power from those who do not believe", "God hardens the hearts of unbelievers", etc). But after 30 years of deluding myself, I had to admit the evidence is severely lacking. Show me a video of a limb growing back from a stump. 7 billion people on earth, if it's real someone will have video proof.
@Discern4 Well I used to not believe in miracles, until I witness it myself firsthand 2 years ago. So either I am lying, which means I know my faith is wrong, and I am in self deception, or I'm telling the truth. I haven't witness a limb growing back myself. I've seen people in my church receive healing from cancer/broken bones/ blindness/ etc. My discipler's mother actually have pretty cool footage of different kind of healing taking place visually. It's a very old tape and it's vhs
@blkedwashedazn "discipler"? Does your church still have aspects of the shepherding/discipleship movement? Dang. My old church was influenced by that movement to an extent.
I saw legs and my own arm growing out an inch maximum, but it was just angles and the way you hold your legs/arms. My friend's ovarian tumor was 'healed', though the doctor didn't consider it miraculous. It was a false-positive on a scan, which happens often with this type of cancer.
@Discern4 I call him my discipler because he discipled me. He doesn't even go to my church... Shows a lot about your character when you start to bash on persons/church not even doctrine itself.
Idc if you saw an arm grow out. I just told you it's broken bones/cancer/etc. Stop telling me your 1 experience and make a whole doctrine out of it. You have no Bible verses to support that healings has ceased, just what your experience/church tells you.
@blkedwashedazn said "Shows a lot about your character when you start to bash on persons/church not even doctrine itself."
I think you're overreacting.
Who said I had "1 experience"? I experienced dozens if not hundreds of 'miracles' in my church. I never said there is *biblical* support to say healings have ceased. My church fully believed in divine healing in the name of Jesus.
@Discern4 Yeah, now you say you believe in divine healing? Why argue and say all these "divine healing" is fake? Do you believe only your church and you can practice divine healing? Love the elitism you have. Sorry not everyone is as "knowledgeable" and "wise" like you are, hopefully it's not puffing you up. It's fascinating how you know everything there is to know about how God moves in healing. Put God in a box and lock him up, make sure he doesn't come out to heal in your service.
@blkedwashedazn lol and you thought *I* was judgemental :) There's a difference between what I believe the bible says, and what is true in real life. I believe that the bible says "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life". It's written in the text. Just as I believe a Harry Potter book says Harry went to Hogwarts. Doesn't make it true in real life. I do not believe the bible *teaches* that healing has stopped today. But that doesn't make healings real, nor does it make the bible correct.
@Discern4 If I can convert VHS into a portable file or something, I'll be more then willing to send you the copy. Just send me your email address in a message to my youtube account. It might take couple weeks, but I'll be happy to show you some video footage.
Things like bruises can go away by themselves. Cancer can go into remission. Head aces can go away. Even HIV can just be misdiagnosed to begin with.
Try finding an example than most certainty can not be natural and easy to prove. I can think of a couple eg. limbs growing back or someone with down syndrome being healed.
@truckcompany Don't be silly the healing power of the Holy Spirit is just as real today as it was in the bible. You seriously need to come to my church and see the mighty work of God heal people of their sickness & give money so that the riches of the kingdom can make our Pastors prosper.
I said easy to prove examples.... How long ago was that written, have you got a before and after picture of this man??
How is "Life's to Short" an example? Maybe if Warwick Davis said he got prayed for, then he appeared to us as average height, that would be a brilliant example.
Here is another easy to prove example of a healing. Someone born with a cleft palate?
@blkedwashedazn Any proof of this? Nope! I'm with @Discern4 on this one. Just because the majority says it happened (especially when said majority knows almost nothing of its own religion and the world around them) doesn't mean it's true.
Call it what it is: attention seeking greedy fuckers looking for a quick buck off of the chumps that actually believe these bullshit stories of "Faith Healing".
If this religion is so self-evident, it wouldn't need to be preached. Nuff said.
@saiyanmage I believe true disciples of Christ should represent Jesus with their lives. I agree with you that mainstream christianity proves otherwise... It should be evident just by looking at Christians life that Christianity is real... But not all of us represent him well.
@saiyanmage Excuse me but you know 70% of Public schools/Public Libraries. Did you know that Harvard, Yale, Princeton was built by Christians? Do you know that millions of Christians are off to 3rd world countries, to build homes,hospitals,schools. Did you know that the humanitarian aid that Atheist/Science Community/Secular Community/Other religious organization doesn't even compare to how much Christians send/support. Did you hear of red cross, Salvation Army, World Vision?
@saiyanmage I don't know if your are an atheist or agnostic, but I hope you do some research before you pull something like "genocide" and equate it to what the Bible teaches. In the 20th century alone, over 100 million people died in the name of atheism. We have men, influenced by Atheist/Humanist philosophers such as Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, etc, who murdered millions of innocent people. Please, hate towards other? Do you know how atheist/agnostic people treat Christians?
"over 100 million people died in the name of atheism"
First, If I was you, I would look at history again, this is obviously false.
Second, this is nothing compared to the your God allowing the torture of billions of people everyday from now to eternity in the lake of fire. (The lake of fire he created). This act of human butchery is disgusting. What crime could EVER justify this?
Do you really wonder why atheists find Christian doctrine sickening???
@truckcompany History? Please look at what happened to the death camps/genocide/mass murders with mao, hitler, stalin, pol pot, Kim Il Sung,Leopold II of Belgium. Look at their values, their philosophy,etc. So according to your reasoning, if there is a God, he should overlook the punishment of these people who killed millions of people? Wow now that is sick and disgusting. Yeah, I can slaughter millions of people and not expect Justice for it because there is no God.
hahaha that is exactly NOT what I said. Brilliant straw man there!!!
Do you honestly believe that I said. "he should overlook the punishment of these people who killed millions of people" Or ANYTHING remotely like this. OMG, no wonder why you still believe in God, you will resort to ANYTHING that means you can still believe in your God.
@truckcompany Did you ever read your comment again? Yeah pull out "strawman" argument, just read your comment and read mine.
' "over 100 million people died in the name of atheism"
First, If I was you, I would look at history again, this is obviously false.'
I just showed you how it's not false. I gave you names, their philosophical stance which were all "atheistic," all you have to do is go find out how many people they slaughtered and just add them up. It's not that hard.
@saiyanmage When I myself was an atheist, yes I was persecuted by Christians, by my own family etc. However, there were christians who didn't mind I was an atheist and showed me respect and acceptance regardless that I bashed on Christianity. Now however, I see a different perspective. Wherever I go, atheists bash/curse me, really for no apparent reason other then the fact I am a Christian. Don't run your mouth about "closed mindedness" or "hate" based on your experience with people.
This has got to be the biggest line of hogwash I have ever heard in my life concerning pentecostal pastors. I do not doubt that abuses take place, but so do many abuses take place even with Baptist pastors as well - but the vast majority of pastors that I know and I know a lot of them on both sides. Would never even consider using any kind of trickery or gimmicks or mind tricks to deceive or try to fool the people.
@michaelragnanese i think its not that they are trying to play or abuse or deceive their brothers and sisters in what they are doing.. i do not say this to defend them but in my experience as a christian there are so many times i attended seminars and conferences and of course they will always call for people who wanna be prayed over depends on what area or request they wanna be prayed for..
@michaelragnanese in those experiences i had, i honestly say that i didn't have experience of falling in the floor or ground even sometimes majority of people around me are falling down. therefore, i don't know actually what happened to those people falling down but in fairness those people who prayed for me did not push my head as they lay hands on me. they just keep on praying for me until they have said all their prayers at the end their is joy in me but not fall down.
@michaelragnanese i did not yet experience really being fall down but i'm not saying those who prayed for me the same who prayed for the others who fall down and laughing and crying and moving in an unusual way are not true servant of God because i know what i heard of them when they speak and pray for me and the others. may the peace and love of God be with us all.
This behavior is really harmful. I've been trying to recover from this "revivalist" behavior all year. I was not healed of my anxiety or health problems, it only worsened my problems. Every time I talk about this to my "friends" they tell me I'm not praying enough or I'm being sinful.
@anticliche321 don't ask for healing from people bro/sister if you are not convince that the one who will pray for you is just being used by God to bless you and to heal you of whatever problem you have because if you don't see God working through them then you can not get something from them. Why not Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you ( 1Peter 5:7). may God's peace be with you bro/sister.
Get pass the Catholic Church. What do Jew who accept Christ believe? An example would be Jews for Jesus. They believe in Trinity. To find out why check out their web site. Remember they have no love for Catholic Church History.
I am an atheist, but was veyr glad to hear Christians deconstructing and applying critical thought to practices that SO many take at face value as being actual supernatural events.
Wow...I watched this video because I went to a friends Pentecostal church and was considering possibly changing churches after going to a nice quiet church of christ for 25yrs. I am so confused and guess I need to look into some more things for myself. So many people with so many different opions.
@zeandraisme1 The baptism of the Holy Ghost is real, with the speaking of tongues. I received it at home while worshipping God. So, seek the Lord and read the scriptures especially the book of Acts, and God will reveal His will to you. : ) With sincere repentance, God will fill you with His spirit. I also know people who have been healed and I have been healed. God is a healer. He can heal in meetings and He can heal when you are alone. It is faith in God that heals and brings salvation.
I understand your response. Been there, done that. Would you consider for a moment, what if these things actually happened without god? Is it possible that these supernatural experiences are all things that can be experienced without the bible god?
It is an important question one must ask in the search for truth. Because if it is possible, if it does happen, then perhaps there is more to it than you have considered.
And that is the Church that Jesus Christ came to Earth to establish!
The Roman Catholic Church..
I was once apart of a particular movement like this, and thought I was full of the Spirit, but since my reversion back home to the Roman Catholic Church.
@Cosairman Hey there, with all due respect, I know which is the true Church...
And it is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.. It was the Catholic Church which decided
which books go into the Sacred Scriptures, and which books do not go in...
I will watch that video you recommended, but I am 100% Roman Catholic, and I will die in the Roman Catholic Church... Feel free to private message me as this only allows for a few characters.
Wow, I thought the guy pointing out the fallacies of faith healing had overcome his religious affliction only to learn he still believes in christianity. You know virgin births in the iron age magical talking snakes a creator who produces a perfect world in his perfect wisdom and within minutes uh oh he has to curse all his children for eternity even unborn babies. Then uh oh wipes them ALL out in a horrific flood. Then uh oh makes Koala Bears walk from Mt Arrarat to Australia with nothing eat.
Not trying be mean and not trying to judge but that is cruel. Ppl are taking God's work in vain and turning it into a fake that's why ppl are being misled and easy to give up faith.Read the bible take the challenge.
We are now in last of the latter days of 'the spiritual wild west' and we will see more and more sincern christians being conned and deceived by varmints making all sorts of wild claims and using charm and seductive techniques, so as to get hold of their money. They will come to your local towns and cities, overcome all resistance, run advertisment campaigns hire auditoriums and town halls to lure more and more foolish folk into their cunning web of deception.
Joel 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
@DocHoliday1882 I agree with your assertions......I like ''simple'',and what works for me is a simple faith and belief that God loves me and Christ died on the cross for my sins.He sent his Holy Spirit to illumine scripture,to convict[ not condemn] us.....I heard once,many years ago that God desires spiritual fruit,,not religious nuts.We have trashed and polluted Christs message and we need to ''re-boot''every day to stay close to him......
"Pray in the name of Homer Simpson". Lol. That's comedy gold! Also, OMG, I can't believe the religious crowd contributed such silly comments! Hahaha. So funny.
i'm fascinated by these kinds of videos and what people comment. You can totally pick out the people that are completely into their "faith". I personally don't believe in god and any religion, and its crazy how judgmental most Pentecostals and Christians are. I'm saying this is the nicest way possible, it is unbelievable how people are convinced by certain things. They have the right to think what they wish but I choose to not be a part of it.
how dare you say this. i had a woman preacher who first should not be preaching beat and raped me by both people because i showed them the truth the upc does not brainwash u are going to have a bed day in hell if u don't change ive had the holy ghost for 10 years ive seen deaf people get the holy ghost it is not fake people watch out for this guy he is evil and deceived by satan the bible said this would happen
But most of the time God moves through and heals someone!!! I have seen numerous healings in my church and not even the pastor praying for them! regular people praying for them and being healed by God!! One lady had a stroke and could not walk and God healed her and she could walk again!!!
I JUST HOPE YOU ARE NOT STEREOTYPING, AND I HOPE THE PERSON ON THIS VIDEO HAS NEVER HAD THE HOLYGHOST , IF SO I PRAY FOR HIS SOUL BECAUSE HE IS BLASPHEMING THE VERY SPIRIT OF GOD .........ADVISE TREAD LIGHTLY IN THIS ISSUE YOUR SOUL IS HANGING IN THE BALANCE........GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU .
How is it not biblical? Let's see those verses you guys have been hiding. I'm getting sick and tired of people making the claim that supernatural healing isn't biblical but when I throw out dozens of verses in scripture at them that absolutely support it, including statements from Jesus Christ himself, they just end up looking like uneducated retards. I'm not supporting every revival, but it's definitely not biblical to discredit everyone who claims to have been healed by God super naturally.
being dead with flesh is nothing, but dead with soul..ohh that is so dangerous. To be saved you have to read the bible so carefully and be biptized ,be son of Jesus, be chirstian and be saved. Generaly be Orthodox chirstian!!
This man is called marjoe and he is not a Christian yet he knew how to hype the people up and he made a fortune from the offerings he recieved at churches.
He even spoke in false tongues and used all the Charasmatic jargon.
Later on in life he exposed himself and is now laughing at all the gullable Christians out there.
We need to really test and have discernment in these last days brothers and sisters.
This man is called marjoe and he is not a Christian yet he knew how to hype the people up and he made a fortune from the offerings he recieved at churches.
He even spoke in false tongues and used all the Charasmatic jargon.
Later on in life he exposed himself and is now laughing at all the gullable Christians out there.
We need to really test and have discernment in these last days brothers and sisters.
This is rediculous. This might be true of some TV Evangelicals who are proven hoax masters. For the "charasmatic" group in whole, this is one mans proven testimony of how HE was a HOAX. True, some charasmatic preachers, just as priests and bishops of other denominal groups are only in it for the hype, money or otherwise power. What makes one man's experience "prove" the whole group?
Im 26 years old and healed of severe back problems. Know who "hypnotized" me? I did, while I prayed for myself!
Hmmmm I have never been brainwashed and have experienced the peace of God in my life since I was born again in a UPC church in 1976. I wonder when we'll see an interview on self righteouss radio hosts who make a very tidy living by pointing out the deception of others. What strikes me as ultra huypcritical is the fact that Ray Comfort believes in healing and he speaks in tongues!
Wow I cant believe the people I have seen bash God in this manner... Its unreal... One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.. Whether you like it or not.. Doesnt matter what we say or do now. One day all will stand before him.. In that day you WILL bow even the devil him self has to bow for he knows what he stands before. Like I said before all will see when The Lord comes for His own. Judgment day will come.. I would hope all would lay down there own agendas and find Gods will.
@servnhimnow Can I say BULLSHIT! The Bible and its many gods are made up nonsense. Which bible god do you worship? El? Yahweh? Jesus? LOL... It is apparent that you know little about your own book.
Just because this dude chose to be fake and try and do what he saw without the Holy Spirit doesn't mean God doesn't move and doesn't heal.This guy just merely telling how he tried to do what he saw with the wrong motives without God.He found religion...not relationship.That's like me seeing Michael Jordan play bball and wanting what he has so i imulate his practice skills and character but im not him.So when it doesn't work,i bash him and say his skills aren't real ONLY because I couldn't do it
This is a very dangerous movement and Christians need to wake up and stay in the Word. My sister and I where involved and during this time she opened doors to demonic spirits. She is still under the influence and I cannot reason with her. She loves positive confession, name it claim it even though her family is falling apart and her finances are in ruin. She seems to be getting her teachings from so called prophets who claim to have a word of knowledge but are psychics. Danger-wAKE UP CHURCH
"Crowd dynamics". Have you ever stopped to think there's something such as a "corporate anointing" of the Holy Spirit filling the atmosphere? Come on guys, you're attempting to understand spiritual truths with cognitive ability. Of course, we know that there can be and is the 'power of suggestion' being used in some cases, but it's very hard to argue with concrete, medically verified healings. It's just a shame that doctors have to verify it before a Christian can believe it's real.
@eldoprdr I sure thought I did and was. I believed that Jesus was watching over me, protecting me, loving me, guiding me, and I loved him back for it. It took a long time to wake up to the con-and give up the fantasy.
I don't hate Jesus. I don't hate his followers. I hate the people who fabricated Jesus, lie for Jesus, delude themselves for Jesus, and try to take away the free will of others (from hell threats to salvation fantasies -- all the way to war and torture) for Jesus - and ALL gods.
@TheHigherVoltage I don't know what happened in your past, & it's none of my business, but I lived 29 yrs of my life BEFORE knowing Jesus & have now lived 15 more WITH him and the difference is nothing less than astounding & unexplainable under social, psychological, physiologcal, or any other scientific model. My degree encompasses training in each of these areas & has no 'reasonable' explanations. 'Reason' isn't God, Jesus is God. I hear His voice, sense His presence, & experience His love.
@eldoprdr It's not 'make believe', but 'belief' that made me alive in Him. He's still wherever you are, you're still right where He is, and He still hasn't changed from who He is. He's not simply locked away in doctrines nor confined to the 'imaginations' of illogical creatures. He's available to reveal Himself to those who'll humble themselves to realize that they need Him. My purpose isn't to fight nor even to convince; it's merely to preach the gospel to those who will listen.
@eldoprdr A few years ago a born-again women in Texas killed her 2 children with a rock because Jesus kept telling her to. Stories like hers make the news about once a month somewhere in North America. If the Jesus you say you hear started telling you to kill your kids for him, would you?
@karnpayne Anyone who is willing to kill or go to war in Jesus' name IS following his Teachings. Jesus didn't come to bring peace but a sword. (and he is OT God too, remember?)
If you want a list of all the biblical references (and Christian organizations that have used them) to start wars and go on killing sprees, Mein Kampf is a good a place as any to start.
You say "they're not true Christians"? They say the same about you. And God gave them the guns.
@TheHigherVoltage same God new covenant i have read the whole bible :) Jesus said forgive your enemies and pray for those who hurt you! but dont get me wrong there will be justice and judgment for the christian and the non christian.and the sword is the word of God..will He repay men for their deeds..absolutely!
@eldoprdr The problem with christians is that they always try to say we never really knew god.. Well so true.. he does not exist therefore NO we did not know him. But we thought we did and we were sincere. But with a little brain power and research we were able to rid ourselves of the delusion..
I always had trouble working in groups, which lead to that I never got in to the group dynamic that makes a revival meeting. So one day I was with my brother in some random youth meeting which of cource had the music, waving hands and stuff like that, and I realized it was exactly what those same poeple claimed rock artists do to control people. If I'm not mistaken, they were actually talking about it in that very same meeting :-) I suppose it helped to just observe and not participate.
Jesus was upset at people selling animals in a temple. 3million dollar homes and $425,000 lying around to settle sexual harrassment suits out of court certainly outweigh the price of a chicken. People start associating Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch,etc with God, so they think God is being attacked when the preachers are being reported about in this sort of thing. Spirituality exists in my humble opinon but these preachers have taken too much from people.
todd friel needs to get to know the God he proclaims to serve.....what ajoke to say you believe in God and yet cant belive He does miracles,granted not everyone is legitimate but most are! get over yourself todd
being slain in the spirit is biblical, there are many instances in which this happens in the bible, but my favorite is when then Roman soldiers come to Jesus, and He says, "whom do you seek?" They said Jesus of Nazareth. He said "I am" and when He said that, the amplified bible says they were drawn back violently and fell to the ground
@TheHigherVoltage what a bummer you wrap God up with the tooth fairy and have to swear and curse to make a point....ah well one of us is wrong and if its me then i lose nothing but if its you then you lose everything! so i hope you seriously decide to honestly seek for God not in man or a church but with all your heart!
There's been countless gods and saviors and heavens and hells and mythologies to back em up. And every religion, ever, has always claimed that "we are the one true faith of the one true god(s). non-believers are evil and not going to heaven but suffer for eternity"
Yay cults
Your betting on literally one god in millions and you think it's a 50-50 shot?
@TheHigherVoltage fair enough there are many religions but i have looked into all of them and thats what they are religions that are trying to get to God or nirvana or re incarnated as something better,where as true christianity is about the fact the God came to us and offers us His hand of fellowship! i dont believe in Jesus just because of the bible but because i have personally seen to many healings and miracles to deny Him. anyway im not trying to convince you of anything this is my opinion
@karnpayne Personally, I've seen enough (non-Christian) miracles and healings to know that it's either the placebo effect at work or an out-right con.
For you to say "there are many religions but i have looked into all of them" -- just says you're lying. There are literally millions of religions (today) propping up millions of gods and each claiming "we are the only truth about the "real" god(s). obey us and you'll live forever with god...don't and you'll be punished".
@TheHigherVoltage ok mainstream religions if you wanna nit pick,anyway you havent seen a true miracle if you think they are all fake plus i have seen amazing miracles such as a grapefruit size tumor potruding out of the stomach dissolve instantly in front of 5 other witnesses,legs grow out and blind eyes see,if you have no faith thats fine just dont be so narrow minded that you wont concede that you dont have all the answers! this life without God is pointless and hopeless.
@karnpayne And I've seen the statue of liberty disappear, women turn into lions, birds appear from no-where and people levitating in the air with hoops all around them. It doesn't mean magic is real. I don't claim to have all the answers. I just know that tricks have been used to prop up magicians and medicine men and religions for 1,000s of years.
Life without God is pointless and hopeless? Tell that to someone like Bill Gates (atheist) -- if you can break him away from his charity work.
@TheHigherVoltage i never said atheists cant do good things,i just said life is pointless and hopless because it has no meaning,you are just a bunch of chemicals that came about by chance and then you die and nothing happens so all you did was pointless...on top of that love is a chemical reaction and hate so if you are a real atheist you have to admit there is no difference between the two and wether i love someone and help them or hate someone and kill them well its just relative?
@hqueh can you prove that " Slain in the spirit" is biblical? Calling the guy an "idiot" is not the fruit of the Spirit. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22, 23 ESV) No where in scripture says that men will be falling over when a person lays their hands on them. The Spirit Points to Christ! True blasphemy of the spirit is rejection of Christ with true knowledge
Paedobaptism 4 days ago
@allansoz Satan rather have you following a deception and be religious and following a false image of God, Christ and holy spirit, than lost in the world. Don't base your beliefs on experiences, but base it to scripture. Compare your experience if they align to scripture. Scripture is holy spirit inspired. The holy spirit points to Christ not experiences. Matthew 7:21-23 points to people who thought they where Christians but were lost. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not p
Paedobaptism 4 days ago
@Allansoz Scripture tells us to test EVERY spirit if is from. 1 John 4:1 how do you test every spirit? Read your bible and know who God really is and how he really operates. The Holy Spirit points to Christ and to the scriptures. Be like the Bereans Acts 17:10-11 Check out the verses I provided and be cautious on what you believe. Satan comes as an Angel of light, .., con
Paedobaptism 4 days ago
@Allansoz Can you prove with Scripture that your experience was from God? Where does in the bible say that God works that way? The Bible does say. Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1 ESV) Slain in the spirit to my knowledge is unbiblical. Not everyone who says Lord!! Lord!! to Jesus will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Scripture tells us to test EVERY spirit if is fro
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MrzEgglestonzmuzic 1 week ago
I know that they holy spirit is real. I was very sceptical about the whole falling over thing but it happened to me. My legs completely lost all strength and I was lowered to the floor, I then had wave after wave after wave of complete rushing love and peace go through my body. SO much it made me cry my eyes out. I was very determined that I wasnt going to go down on that floor but God was very determined that I was. music playing or not, it hit me like a bolt of lightning.
allansoz 1 week ago
These guys are idiots..this kind of thing is suppose to happen in the last days..the Jews told Jesus he was demon possessed for casting out demons...there's no doubt there are fakes like this dude that's talking here..that just goes to show the Holy Spirit has more power than the fraud that is on the pulpit..he never experienced anything real of course due to the Judas effect..he never had anything real..other's do..no forgiveness for Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit..this is Blasphemy..
hquehe 2 weeks ago
God Please forgive them for they know not what they do!!!!
antitonysmith 2 weeks ago
kjv,KING JAMES BIBLE,leviticus ch 11,says animals with cloven hoofs r kosher,clean for Jews to eat,acts ch2,cloven tongues of fire,sat on each worshipper.so kosher animals,predict the HOLY SPIRIT,MODERN english BIBLES,says animals with a separated foot,split foot, acts ch2,separated tongues of fire,split tongues of fire sat on each of them.these clean animals,separated JEWISH worshippers,,,separated tongues of fire,separate us from sin,sinful folks,chewing the cud,regurgitateing scripture verse
SuperWildbill777 2 weeks ago
Well, I found the ignorance of this clip humorous, then I realized, I know (not personally) Todd Friel. Quite sad, actually.
trrose9485 3 weeks ago
@trrose9485 I wonder if Todd Friel realizes, the people who pay him, TBN, believes in all of this.
trrose9485 3 weeks ago
Men with bibles can make many believe about anything they want.
The bible has no authority, it was compiled by Constantine a sun god worshiper and authorized by King James a homosexual born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, 66 books that you carry in your hand and memorize in your head, the mark of the beast.
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 3 weeks ago
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST Um, you realize, the Bible is the thing which talks about the Mark, right?
trrose9485 3 weeks ago
@trrose9485 Um, you realize that the bible can't talk, right? I hope that you come to realize that the Holy Ghost can talk and the Holy Ghost told me THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
If you don't believe then the next time you go to church tear up a bible, you'll come away with a different point of view.
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 3 weeks ago
@BIBLEisMARKofBEAST I don't believe you. I believe you're a troll. If you were serious, I would debate you. Otherwise, please, don't speak in ignorance.
trrose9485 2 weeks ago
@trrose9485 What you are really saying is that you are a coward and you know that if you tear up a bible Satan will attack you. If you tear one up in a grocery store, you will not be able to buy groceries. You have accepted Satan as your master with a book. The fearful will have their place in the pit. You are blessed to talk to a real son of God, now you know where you will spend eternity if you don't repent and get filled with the Holy Ghost.
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
BIBLEisMARKofBEAST 2 weeks ago
I have been to several denominations. I got to say, The Pentecostal Holiness has been the most real experience I have ever had in my entire life. G-D is real and so is satan. The power I have witnessed in Pentecostals Church, Seen people healed miraculous, demonic exposures and exorcisms. Passing out in the spirit. "personally". This Holly Ghost experience is the most real thing I have found.
I pray that many will find the Peace Beyond all Understanding I have found in CHRIST.
18wheeling 3 weeks ago
They are a bunch of Idiots cut loose. People get caught up in the moment and lose out. Most people in this cult are criminals, convicts, drug addicts, rapists, child molesters. So beware, if you go there. They will even force you to sign up for their inbreeding program.
TheRealitycheck4me 1 month ago
@faithtovictory Amen!
ChaddyTKD1 1 month ago
Great info, thanks for sharing
atoam 1 month ago
God has healed me personally-I KNOW that The Holy Ghost is real and the Name of Jesus has power beyond understanding.There are bad people and fakers in every religion and that is a shame! You can't single out any one flavor. I have been to Catholic shrines that have crutches, cains covering the walls and ceilings! God honors faith and believing regardless of your "brand" of religion. PS- at 8:26 "these people kill more than they heal" - show some stats or don't throw around scare tactic rhetoric
TheSheetslitter 1 month ago
I'm an Ex-UPCI member, of 5 years being a worship leader, and was taught that God had healed me of bipolar After I was told I was healed of bipolar, I went off my meds since I didn't need them, so to say. All in all, it wasn't a great idea. I had an episode and went back into the hospital a few weeks after stopping my meds. This was told to me by my pastor who is good friends with the Mangun family. Any UPCI member would know them. After I left, I learned everything fake about them.
jonn86 1 month ago
Thats Not Real Pentecostals
awsomeeee7 1 month ago
I know nothing about the tactics to perform false healing, all I know is when I pray with a simple prayer for healing in Jesus name, I see myself God heals the people who are sick. Some are instantly healed but some needs process to be healed perfectly. I don't care what you guys are saying, but I believe the miracles are still TRUE in Jesus name alone.
faithtovictory 1 month ago 3
@faithtovictory So glad some ppl arent buying into this garbage!
MacAttack3310 1 month ago
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2timothy23 3 weeks ago
@MacAttack3310 God through Jesus is using people for real. Why you think that it is the devil that is using them, I want you to think also that the devil uses people even though sincere in heart to stand against the truth unknowningly. While some of this happenings might puzzle you or blow your mind, God is involved in some of them
israelodezi 2 weeks ago
"And whennnnn, they went to theirrrrr church, they shook, and lurched all over the church floor. He couldn't quite explain it, they'd always just gonnnnnnnne therrrrrrrrre. Mmm mmm mmm mmm, Mmm mmm mmm mmm."
vaibanez17 1 month ago
Todd Friel is a person who rejects the power of the holy ghost. Friel himself refutes the gifts as something that is for today, he is adamently baptist/calvinist in his theology and he rejects the enfilling of the holy spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. I have many times confronted Friel and not once will he debate me. Mark Haville is simply confused. I've seen genuine healings in my life, things that could only be explained as genuine miracles.
voiceofelijah2012 2 months ago
@voiceofelijah2012 I agree that our Lord still works miracles today. I have seen them and I have personally experienced physical healing after laying hands on myself and praying. I fell asleep and woke up haled. So, yes miracles, signs and wonders still happen. It's just sad that believers are not use to experiencing them.
kingdomanointed 2 months ago
jesus and god, also said get back in the kitchen and make me a fucking samwich bitch.
schizobipolarjoe 2 months ago
@schizobipolarjoe real mature :/
dankdrokush 1 month ago
LOL! Just because the field is rife with as many tares as wheat does not make the wheat any less valuable. Jesus Himself said let the wheat and tares grow together, and that He would winnow them Himself during the harvest.
96thdayofrage 2 months ago
These are LIES!!!! GOD IS REAL! The Holy Ghost is REAL!
neneborikua09 2 months ago 2
@neneborikua09 fucking brain washed inbred.
schizobipolarjoe 2 months ago
@neneborikua09 Well obviously. No one is arguing that. The issue here is people who claim to be healers and miracle workers but who are con-artists. NO where in scripture does the holy spirit throw some one down to the floor, falling backwards. The holy spirit is the spirit of truth and peace. People barking, laughing and falling over on the floor is not Holy in any sense of the word. People need to stop relying on feelings and emotion and rely on Jesus and scripture.
RasheemH 1 month ago
@RasheemH And yet at the day of Pentecost they perceived that the disciples were drunk, well from my experience drunk ppl are usually laughing and falling down
MacAttack3310 1 month ago
@neneborikua09 You guys are so cool.
gatamericangirl2007 22 hours ago
Healing is happening is not by the preacher or anything else but only by the faith of the sick.irrespective of caste,religion they need only faith in God to get healed
medacaroline 2 months ago
@medacaroline
excuse me, but it does not matter if the sick person believes or not... the person which calls that sick person up for prayer has to believe. that sick man in the bed that was let down through the roof had no faith,, but the ones who let him down thru the roof and Jesus seeing their faith,, healed that man aka:sick person..
papa54320 2 months ago
If someone wants to find an answer they do not need a church of ANY faith to do it. A higher power exists. It cant be named. I call it God but nobody knows for sure. You think of a question you put it out there and something will take place. You may not even know until much later that you were answered.
CatpurrRobertaBobbi 3 months ago
An ex pntcstl hilr mother fucker.......
Noble257 3 months ago
It's not hypnosis, I'm sick of hearing this reason. It's group dynamics, adrenaline rushes, placebo, and indoctrination. I was in a pentecostal church for 28 years. "Healings" and people getting "slain in the Spirit" are side-effects of everyone in the same room believing the same thing and getting hyped up by a preacher.
Discern4 4 months ago
@Discern4 Yeah, placebo can make broken bones whole... Yeah Adrenaline rushes can restore sight to the blind....... Jesus and the founding fathers of the Christian Faith must've used a lot of hype,group dynamics, and indoctrination....
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn Then where's all the evidence? Why aren't scientists banging down church doors trying to run tests on those healed? How much better would our world be if these healings were proven by scientists, which in turned proved God exists?
But instead all we see is a lot of smoke and no fire. A bunch of personal testimonies that in the end amount to nothing due to a consistent lack of proof. If it were real, we should have 2000 years worth of evidence of miraculous healings. But we don't.
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 "Why aren't scientists banging down church doors trying to run tests on those healed?"
First, there has been healings verified throughout the world right now. For example, I have a friend who has an x-ray with his hip being out of alignment. Weeks later, he goes back in, his hips are in place, no more back pain, etc etc. There are documented evidence through the medical field of people with stage 4 cancer miraculously getting well, no more cancer cell in their body.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@Discern4 You can contact Oral Roberts University, and they will be happy to provide you with hundreds of X-Rays, diagnosis, testimonies, etc, from doctors and medical clinics. Why is so many people not aware of this? First of all, That's a lie, just because you or some people from youtube never witness it doesn't mean you guys are the majority. 2nd, Our society is ignorant when it comes the real world. Like the fact that 50% of the worlds population are below the poverty line.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn Media show what you want to see, media doesn't want you to see miracles, healings, etc, that shows the nature of God. Of course not! They show you useless things like mtv, reality shows, etc. When was the last time you saw the news do a report about how HUNDREDS of Thousands of Kids are sold off to sexual slavery in Asia, Africa, South America, an year. They don't want you to know that right now, a 5 year old in China/India are laboring/working for 14hrs a day
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn I was in christianity for 30 years and saw countless people being healed by God....except all I saw were them SAYING they were healed. There was no genuine proof. Sure, some of them go back for x-rays, etc, but upon further investigation it's not very convincing. Too many anomalies, misdiagnoses, cancer remissions, false positives.
If it's real, YouTube and TV news should be FILLED with limbs growing back, spots and bruises disappearing before our eyes, and so on. But it's not.
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 Upon what further investigation? I already told you to go to Oral Roberts University, go check out history books and biography/autobiography about Finny, Spurgeon, Martin Luther, John Edwards, etc. They all testify the same thing about healing even back in the day. And these man of God are respected and relied for their theological/evangelical stance. Please tell me what youtube/tv news are not filled with kids laboring 14hrs a day in a sweatshop. Please let me know.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn said "Upon what further investigation?"
Asking them questions about their healing. Turns out the evidence just isn't convincing, or is too ambiguous. Or the illness is so subjective, like a headache, that we can't prove either way if a healing has taken place. Time and time again, concrete proof eludes us.
"media doesn't want you to see miracles"
Come on. After 2000 years, if christian miracles were real, everyone would know they existed. We wouldn't be having this conversation.
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 Where do you get this source? You are just making unsupported statements. Like I already told you, go do your homework. There are Universities/ History books that proves otherwise.I already said this so many times, I don't think you understand the point. If hundreds of thousands of kids are sold off to sexual slavery and kids are forced to labor for the rest of their lives in India/china,etc so according to you everyone would know of this condition right or it's just a lie.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn No one denies that child slavery still happens. There are even recent documentaries on it. However, supernatural miracles are definitely contested for a reason. Just like UFO visitations, there's a lot of personal 'testimonies', but that's not proof. A book with someone's testimony of healing is not proof, just like I can't write a book saying I was healed of aids and expect people to believe it because I said so. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 You are not answering my question.Give me your credible source on your blatant statement. A book with testimony of healing is credible if it is validated by non-biased medical sources. Like I said so many times, there are people with x-rays with broken bones and when it should take 3 months for them to heal, they get healed in just a prayer. A broken bone doesn't just automatically snap back because of wishful thinking.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@Discern4 "No one denies that child slavery still happens." Sorry but not everyone knows. And those people who are informed are still ignorant of what happens, it's just statistics to them. It's a fact that genocides like Rwanda, Darfur, Nazi camps, happened. There are thousands of people who deny that they ever happened... If you say 'testimonies' are not credible then you must rip off 100% of history, because majority of history are through eye witness/mouth to mouth accounts...
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn I used to be as fired-up as you when it came to proof of miracles and the power of God moving upon people's lives today. I also made excuses for the lack of media coverage ("God hides His power from those who do not believe", "God hardens the hearts of unbelievers", etc). But after 30 years of deluding myself, I had to admit the evidence is severely lacking. Show me a video of a limb growing back from a stump. 7 billion people on earth, if it's real someone will have video proof.
Discern4 3 months ago
@Discern4 Well I used to not believe in miracles, until I witness it myself firsthand 2 years ago. So either I am lying, which means I know my faith is wrong, and I am in self deception, or I'm telling the truth. I haven't witness a limb growing back myself. I've seen people in my church receive healing from cancer/broken bones/ blindness/ etc. My discipler's mother actually have pretty cool footage of different kind of healing taking place visually. It's a very old tape and it's vhs
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn "discipler"? Does your church still have aspects of the shepherding/discipleship movement? Dang. My old church was influenced by that movement to an extent.
I saw legs and my own arm growing out an inch maximum, but it was just angles and the way you hold your legs/arms. My friend's ovarian tumor was 'healed', though the doctor didn't consider it miraculous. It was a false-positive on a scan, which happens often with this type of cancer.
Discern4 2 months ago
@Discern4 I call him my discipler because he discipled me. He doesn't even go to my church... Shows a lot about your character when you start to bash on persons/church not even doctrine itself.
Idc if you saw an arm grow out. I just told you it's broken bones/cancer/etc. Stop telling me your 1 experience and make a whole doctrine out of it. You have no Bible verses to support that healings has ceased, just what your experience/church tells you.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn said "Shows a lot about your character when you start to bash on persons/church not even doctrine itself."
I think you're overreacting.
Who said I had "1 experience"? I experienced dozens if not hundreds of 'miracles' in my church. I never said there is *biblical* support to say healings have ceased. My church fully believed in divine healing in the name of Jesus.
Discern4 2 months ago
@Discern4 Yeah, now you say you believe in divine healing? Why argue and say all these "divine healing" is fake? Do you believe only your church and you can practice divine healing? Love the elitism you have. Sorry not everyone is as "knowledgeable" and "wise" like you are, hopefully it's not puffing you up. It's fascinating how you know everything there is to know about how God moves in healing. Put God in a box and lock him up, make sure he doesn't come out to heal in your service.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn lol and you thought *I* was judgemental :) There's a difference between what I believe the bible says, and what is true in real life. I believe that the bible says "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life". It's written in the text. Just as I believe a Harry Potter book says Harry went to Hogwarts. Doesn't make it true in real life. I do not believe the bible *teaches* that healing has stopped today. But that doesn't make healings real, nor does it make the bible correct.
Discern4 2 months ago
@Discern4 I understand now. Thought you were a cessationist. Next time, just point out that you are not a christian so the position is clear. Thanks.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@Discern4 If I can convert VHS into a portable file or something, I'll be more then willing to send you the copy. Just send me your email address in a message to my youtube account. It might take couple weeks, but I'll be happy to show you some video footage.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn
Things like bruises can go away by themselves. Cancer can go into remission. Head aces can go away. Even HIV can just be misdiagnosed to begin with.
Try finding an example than most certainty can not be natural and easy to prove. I can think of a couple eg. limbs growing back or someone with down syndrome being healed.
Does God hate people with down syndrome?
truckcompany 2 months ago
@truckcompany Don't be silly the healing power of the Holy Spirit is just as real today as it was in the bible. You seriously need to come to my church and see the mighty work of God heal people of their sickness & give money so that the riches of the kingdom can make our Pastors prosper.
MrILYJesus 2 months ago
@MrILYJesus
You didn't address my point.
Can you give me examples of easy to prove "healing powers of the Holy Spirit'?
I've thought of another! Have you seen God heal an adult from dwarfism? (I say adult dwarfs because younger dwarfs can just be misdiagnosed)
Does God hate adult dwarfs..?
truckcompany 2 months ago
@truckcompany Leviticus 21:20 talks about a person who is a dwarf with a hunchback, a damaged eye and a crushed testicle.
The HBO TV show 'Life is Short' is another example.
God can cure these people!
MrILYJesus 2 months ago
@MrILYJesus
I said easy to prove examples.... How long ago was that written, have you got a before and after picture of this man??
How is "Life's to Short" an example? Maybe if Warwick Davis said he got prayed for, then he appeared to us as average height, that would be a brilliant example.
Here is another easy to prove example of a healing. Someone born with a cleft palate?
Does got hate people with cleft palates?
truckcompany 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn Any proof of this? Nope! I'm with @Discern4 on this one. Just because the majority says it happened (especially when said majority knows almost nothing of its own religion and the world around them) doesn't mean it's true.
Call it what it is: attention seeking greedy fuckers looking for a quick buck off of the chumps that actually believe these bullshit stories of "Faith Healing".
If this religion is so self-evident, it wouldn't need to be preached. Nuff said.
saiyanmage 3 months ago
@saiyanmage "If this religion is so self-evident, it wouldn't need to be preached. Nuff said." - Completely agree with you.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn Then you agree that christianity is not self evident?
saiyanmage 3 months ago
@saiyanmage I believe true disciples of Christ should represent Jesus with their lives. I agree with you that mainstream christianity proves otherwise... It should be evident just by looking at Christians life that Christianity is real... But not all of us represent him well.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn
"Not all of us represent him well." How about "none of you"? That sounds more accurate to me.
Christian is a filthy word, in this day and age.
It used to stand for progress and open mindedness and love, but now it only means closed mindedness, hate towards others, and genocide.
That's all there is to it.
saiyanmage 3 months ago
@saiyanmage Excuse me but you know 70% of Public schools/Public Libraries. Did you know that Harvard, Yale, Princeton was built by Christians? Do you know that millions of Christians are off to 3rd world countries, to build homes,hospitals,schools. Did you know that the humanitarian aid that Atheist/Science Community/Secular Community/Other religious organization doesn't even compare to how much Christians send/support. Did you hear of red cross, Salvation Army, World Vision?
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@saiyanmage I don't know if your are an atheist or agnostic, but I hope you do some research before you pull something like "genocide" and equate it to what the Bible teaches. In the 20th century alone, over 100 million people died in the name of atheism. We have men, influenced by Atheist/Humanist philosophers such as Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, etc, who murdered millions of innocent people. Please, hate towards other? Do you know how atheist/agnostic people treat Christians?
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn TL;DR
saiyanmage 3 months ago
@saiyanmage Shows your character. Thank You.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn
No problem, now how about you actually be a halfway decent member of society and be useful?
saiyanmage 3 months ago
@blkedwashedazn
"over 100 million people died in the name of atheism"
First, If I was you, I would look at history again, this is obviously false.
Second, this is nothing compared to the your God allowing the torture of billions of people everyday from now to eternity in the lake of fire. (The lake of fire he created). This act of human butchery is disgusting. What crime could EVER justify this?
Do you really wonder why atheists find Christian doctrine sickening???
truckcompany 2 months ago
@truckcompany History? Please look at what happened to the death camps/genocide/mass murders with mao, hitler, stalin, pol pot, Kim Il Sung,Leopold II of Belgium. Look at their values, their philosophy,etc. So according to your reasoning, if there is a God, he should overlook the punishment of these people who killed millions of people? Wow now that is sick and disgusting. Yeah, I can slaughter millions of people and not expect Justice for it because there is no God.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@blkedwashedazn
hahaha that is exactly NOT what I said. Brilliant straw man there!!!
Do you honestly believe that I said. "he should overlook the punishment of these people who killed millions of people" Or ANYTHING remotely like this. OMG, no wonder why you still believe in God, you will resort to ANYTHING that means you can still believe in your God.
truckcompany 2 months ago
@truckcompany Did you ever read your comment again? Yeah pull out "strawman" argument, just read your comment and read mine.
' "over 100 million people died in the name of atheism"
First, If I was you, I would look at history again, this is obviously false.'
I just showed you how it's not false. I gave you names, their philosophical stance which were all "atheistic," all you have to do is go find out how many people they slaughtered and just add them up. It's not that hard.
blkedwashedazn 2 months ago
@saiyanmage When I myself was an atheist, yes I was persecuted by Christians, by my own family etc. However, there were christians who didn't mind I was an atheist and showed me respect and acceptance regardless that I bashed on Christianity. Now however, I see a different perspective. Wherever I go, atheists bash/curse me, really for no apparent reason other then the fact I am a Christian. Don't run your mouth about "closed mindedness" or "hate" based on your experience with people.
blkedwashedazn 3 months ago
This has got to be the biggest line of hogwash I have ever heard in my life concerning pentecostal pastors. I do not doubt that abuses take place, but so do many abuses take place even with Baptist pastors as well - but the vast majority of pastors that I know and I know a lot of them on both sides. Would never even consider using any kind of trickery or gimmicks or mind tricks to deceive or try to fool the people.
michaelragnanese 4 months ago
@michaelragnanese i think its not that they are trying to play or abuse or deceive their brothers and sisters in what they are doing.. i do not say this to defend them but in my experience as a christian there are so many times i attended seminars and conferences and of course they will always call for people who wanna be prayed over depends on what area or request they wanna be prayed for..
jpane1125 4 months ago
@michaelragnanese in those experiences i had, i honestly say that i didn't have experience of falling in the floor or ground even sometimes majority of people around me are falling down. therefore, i don't know actually what happened to those people falling down but in fairness those people who prayed for me did not push my head as they lay hands on me. they just keep on praying for me until they have said all their prayers at the end their is joy in me but not fall down.
jpane1125 4 months ago
@michaelragnanese i did not yet experience really being fall down but i'm not saying those who prayed for me the same who prayed for the others who fall down and laughing and crying and moving in an unusual way are not true servant of God because i know what i heard of them when they speak and pray for me and the others. may the peace and love of God be with us all.
jpane1125 4 months ago
This behavior is really harmful. I've been trying to recover from this "revivalist" behavior all year. I was not healed of my anxiety or health problems, it only worsened my problems. Every time I talk about this to my "friends" they tell me I'm not praying enough or I'm being sinful.
anticliche321 4 months ago
@anticliche321 don't ask for healing from people bro/sister if you are not convince that the one who will pray for you is just being used by God to bless you and to heal you of whatever problem you have because if you don't see God working through them then you can not get something from them. Why not Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you ( 1Peter 5:7). may God's peace be with you bro/sister.
jpane1125 4 months ago
Get pass the Catholic Church. What do Jew who accept Christ believe? An example would be Jews for Jesus. They believe in Trinity. To find out why check out their web site. Remember they have no love for Catholic Church History.
MrHellowwww1 5 months ago
Only one church...Orthodox church. everything else is a joke.
teoethio 7 months ago
sorry but the devil has decived this man i hope he finds his way.
Boatdog357 8 months ago
I am an atheist, but was veyr glad to hear Christians deconstructing and applying critical thought to practices that SO many take at face value as being actual supernatural events.
Great start!
kengranderson 8 months ago
Wow...I watched this video because I went to a friends Pentecostal church and was considering possibly changing churches after going to a nice quiet church of christ for 25yrs. I am so confused and guess I need to look into some more things for myself. So many people with so many different opions.
zeandraisme1 9 months ago
@zeandraisme1 The baptism of the Holy Ghost is real, with the speaking of tongues. I received it at home while worshipping God. So, seek the Lord and read the scriptures especially the book of Acts, and God will reveal His will to you. : ) With sincere repentance, God will fill you with His spirit. I also know people who have been healed and I have been healed. God is a healer. He can heal in meetings and He can heal when you are alone. It is faith in God that heals and brings salvation.
pieladypeace 6 months ago
@pieladypeace
I understand your response. Been there, done that. Would you consider for a moment, what if these things actually happened without god? Is it possible that these supernatural experiences are all things that can be experienced without the bible god?
It is an important question one must ask in the search for truth. Because if it is possible, if it does happen, then perhaps there is more to it than you have considered.
join us/discuss - facebook.com/groups/recoveringchristians
gmltw 5 months ago
@pieladypeace Yes the speaking of tongues is real. Yet the tongues in the church is fake. Yes it is only gibberish. It is not a real tongue.
AikenBruce 5 months ago
There is only ONE true Church.
And that is the Church that Jesus Christ came to Earth to establish!
The Roman Catholic Church..
I was once apart of a particular movement like this, and thought I was full of the Spirit, but since my reversion back home to the Roman Catholic Church.
Thats where the fullness of truth is.
djmattcalaus 9 months ago
@djmattcalaus What does the word Church mean?
October31st1517 9 months ago
@djmattcalaus
Whilst you are to be commended on your searching for the true church...it is not the RC Church!
I would highly recommend you use a KJV bible which is the bible that all bibles are based against.
Watch Sanderson1611 in which he explains the modern bibles and the Pentacostal movement being a problem.
Cheers!
Cosairman 6 months ago
@Cosairman Hey there, with all due respect, I know which is the true Church...
And it is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.. It was the Catholic Church which decided
which books go into the Sacred Scriptures, and which books do not go in...
I will watch that video you recommended, but I am 100% Roman Catholic, and I will die in the Roman Catholic Church... Feel free to private message me as this only allows for a few characters.
God Bless, Matthew
djmattcalaus 6 months ago
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@djmattcalaus You say you will die in an RC Church....Where will you go when you die???Heaven or Hell?
Remember,Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST only and you will be Saved!
Praise the Lord!
Cheers!
Cosairman 6 months ago
@djmattcalaus Hello Mathew, I dont wish to be rude or sound out spoken, but why do you believe your church is the one and only? thankyou
detailplus 4 months ago
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There is only ONE true Church.
And that is the Church that Jesus Christ came to Earth to establish!
The Roman Catholic Church..
djmattcalaus 9 months ago
Wow, I thought the guy pointing out the fallacies of faith healing had overcome his religious affliction only to learn he still believes in christianity. You know virgin births in the iron age magical talking snakes a creator who produces a perfect world in his perfect wisdom and within minutes uh oh he has to curse all his children for eternity even unborn babies. Then uh oh wipes them ALL out in a horrific flood. Then uh oh makes Koala Bears walk from Mt Arrarat to Australia with nothing eat.
evidenceonlythanx 9 months ago
Not trying be mean and not trying to judge but that is cruel. Ppl are taking God's work in vain and turning it into a fake that's why ppl are being misled and easy to give up faith.Read the bible take the challenge.
jasmine593 10 months ago
We are now in last of the latter days of 'the spiritual wild west' and we will see more and more sincern christians being conned and deceived by varmints making all sorts of wild claims and using charm and seductive techniques, so as to get hold of their money. They will come to your local towns and cities, overcome all resistance, run advertisment campaigns hire auditoriums and town halls to lure more and more foolish folk into their cunning web of deception.
DocHoliday1882 10 months ago
Cont:
Joel 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
DocHoliday1882 10 months ago
Joel 314 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
DocHoliday1882 10 months ago
@DocHoliday1882 I agree with your assertions......I like ''simple'',and what works for me is a simple faith and belief that God loves me and Christ died on the cross for my sins.He sent his Holy Spirit to illumine scripture,to convict[ not condemn] us.....I heard once,many years ago that God desires spiritual fruit,,not religious nuts.We have trashed and polluted Christs message and we need to ''re-boot''every day to stay close to him......
borecleaner1 8 months ago
"Pray in the name of Homer Simpson". Lol. That's comedy gold! Also, OMG, I can't believe the religious crowd contributed such silly comments! Hahaha. So funny.
MrRedsalmon 11 months ago
i'm fascinated by these kinds of videos and what people comment. You can totally pick out the people that are completely into their "faith". I personally don't believe in god and any religion, and its crazy how judgmental most Pentecostals and Christians are. I'm saying this is the nicest way possible, it is unbelievable how people are convinced by certain things. They have the right to think what they wish but I choose to not be a part of it.
Damnitsrandum16 11 months ago
Now you get to stand in front of God and explain yourself. I pray he has mercy on you.
taconnerful 11 months ago
how dare you say this. i had a woman preacher who first should not be preaching beat and raped me by both people because i showed them the truth the upc does not brainwash u are going to have a bed day in hell if u don't change ive had the holy ghost for 10 years ive seen deaf people get the holy ghost it is not fake people watch out for this guy he is evil and deceived by satan the bible said this would happen
swinson1000 1 year ago
But most of the time God moves through and heals someone!!! I have seen numerous healings in my church and not even the pastor praying for them! regular people praying for them and being healed by God!! One lady had a stroke and could not walk and God healed her and she could walk again!!!
trainengineer2 1 year ago
I JUST HOPE YOU ARE NOT STEREOTYPING, AND I HOPE THE PERSON ON THIS VIDEO HAS NEVER HAD THE HOLYGHOST , IF SO I PRAY FOR HIS SOUL BECAUSE HE IS BLASPHEMING THE VERY SPIRIT OF GOD .........ADVISE TREAD LIGHTLY IN THIS ISSUE YOUR SOUL IS HANGING IN THE BALANCE........GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU .
MrTjgray225 1 year ago
How is it not biblical? Let's see those verses you guys have been hiding. I'm getting sick and tired of people making the claim that supernatural healing isn't biblical but when I throw out dozens of verses in scripture at them that absolutely support it, including statements from Jesus Christ himself, they just end up looking like uneducated retards. I'm not supporting every revival, but it's definitely not biblical to discredit everyone who claims to have been healed by God super naturally.
mrfountainpenn 1 year ago
nicely said.
santoslosquecreen 1 year ago
nicely said.
santoslosquecreen 1 year ago
being dead with flesh is nothing, but dead with soul..ohh that is so dangerous. To be saved you have to read the bible so carefully and be biptized ,be son of Jesus, be chirstian and be saved. Generaly be Orthodox chirstian!!
zethiopia 1 year ago
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A good you tube video to watch is entitled
( Lying Evangelist Exposed! )
This man is called marjoe and he is not a Christian yet he knew how to hype the people up and he made a fortune from the offerings he recieved at churches.
He even spoke in false tongues and used all the Charasmatic jargon.
Later on in life he exposed himself and is now laughing at all the gullable Christians out there.
We need to really test and have discernment in these last days brothers and sisters.
ogiaag5m 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
A good you tube video to watch is entitled
( Lying Evangelist Exposed! )
This man is called marjoe and he is not a Christian yet he knew how to hype the people up and he made a fortune from the offerings he recieved at churches.
He even spoke in false tongues and used all the Charasmatic jargon.
Later on in life he exposed himself and is now laughing at all the gullable Christians out there.
We need to really test and have discernment in these last days brothers and sisters.
ogiaag5m 1 year ago
Does God heal tody?? YES
Does devil copy the God?? YES
Does people can be decived? YES
ivanasimic1 1 year ago
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@ivanasimic1 Does God exist?? NO
kaifroland 1 year ago
This is rediculous. This might be true of some TV Evangelicals who are proven hoax masters. For the "charasmatic" group in whole, this is one mans proven testimony of how HE was a HOAX. True, some charasmatic preachers, just as priests and bishops of other denominal groups are only in it for the hype, money or otherwise power. What makes one man's experience "prove" the whole group?
Im 26 years old and healed of severe back problems. Know who "hypnotized" me? I did, while I prayed for myself!
SteveElsenrath 1 year ago
+ = $
metallicorpse 1 year ago
so doesnt this mean, that he is a liar, and from what i know, liars wont go to heaven.
appledude08 1 year ago
Hmmmm I have never been brainwashed and have experienced the peace of God in my life since I was born again in a UPC church in 1976. I wonder when we'll see an interview on self righteouss radio hosts who make a very tidy living by pointing out the deception of others. What strikes me as ultra huypcritical is the fact that Ray Comfort believes in healing and he speaks in tongues!
SalesLeadSecrets 1 year ago
your tripinging..:0 sorry.. been uocl sinec i was a baby .. i do as i wont from olny god will judge al man.. not man
billydavid13 1 year ago
Wow I cant believe the people I have seen bash God in this manner... Its unreal... One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess.. Whether you like it or not.. Doesnt matter what we say or do now. One day all will stand before him.. In that day you WILL bow even the devil him self has to bow for he knows what he stands before. Like I said before all will see when The Lord comes for His own. Judgment day will come.. I would hope all would lay down there own agendas and find Gods will.
servnhimnow 1 year ago
@servnhimnow Can I say BULLSHIT! The Bible and its many gods are made up nonsense. Which bible god do you worship? El? Yahweh? Jesus? LOL... It is apparent that you know little about your own book.
FightsWithPreachers 1 year ago
Just because this dude chose to be fake and try and do what he saw without the Holy Spirit doesn't mean God doesn't move and doesn't heal.This guy just merely telling how he tried to do what he saw with the wrong motives without God.He found religion...not relationship.That's like me seeing Michael Jordan play bball and wanting what he has so i imulate his practice skills and character but im not him.So when it doesn't work,i bash him and say his skills aren't real ONLY because I couldn't do it
JDTTG1 1 year ago
This is a very dangerous movement and Christians need to wake up and stay in the Word. My sister and I where involved and during this time she opened doors to demonic spirits. She is still under the influence and I cannot reason with her. She loves positive confession, name it claim it even though her family is falling apart and her finances are in ruin. She seems to be getting her teachings from so called prophets who claim to have a word of knowledge but are psychics. Danger-wAKE UP CHURCH
rdarriaga 1 year ago
"Crowd dynamics". Have you ever stopped to think there's something such as a "corporate anointing" of the Holy Spirit filling the atmosphere? Come on guys, you're attempting to understand spiritual truths with cognitive ability. Of course, we know that there can be and is the 'power of suggestion' being used in some cases, but it's very hard to argue with concrete, medically verified healings. It's just a shame that doctors have to verify it before a Christian can believe it's real.
eldoprdr 1 year ago
@eldoprdr if faith healing is real then why do we still have hospitals and doctors?
And why didn't Jesus mention bacteria? diseases? infections? any REAL cause for illness?
Why was every ailment "a demon to be exorcised"...until FINALLY science advanced enough to prove this superstitious bullshit false?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage Sir, have you truly, with all your heart, accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and been saved?
eldoprdr 1 year ago
@eldoprdr I sure thought I did and was. I believed that Jesus was watching over me, protecting me, loving me, guiding me, and I loved him back for it. It took a long time to wake up to the con-and give up the fantasy.
I don't hate Jesus. I don't hate his followers. I hate the people who fabricated Jesus, lie for Jesus, delude themselves for Jesus, and try to take away the free will of others (from hell threats to salvation fantasies -- all the way to war and torture) for Jesus - and ALL gods.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage I don't know what happened in your past, & it's none of my business, but I lived 29 yrs of my life BEFORE knowing Jesus & have now lived 15 more WITH him and the difference is nothing less than astounding & unexplainable under social, psychological, physiologcal, or any other scientific model. My degree encompasses training in each of these areas & has no 'reasonable' explanations. 'Reason' isn't God, Jesus is God. I hear His voice, sense His presence, & experience His love.
eldoprdr 1 year ago
@eldoprdr It's not 'make believe', but 'belief' that made me alive in Him. He's still wherever you are, you're still right where He is, and He still hasn't changed from who He is. He's not simply locked away in doctrines nor confined to the 'imaginations' of illogical creatures. He's available to reveal Himself to those who'll humble themselves to realize that they need Him. My purpose isn't to fight nor even to convince; it's merely to preach the gospel to those who will listen.
eldoprdr 1 year ago
@eldoprdr A few years ago a born-again women in Texas killed her 2 children with a rock because Jesus kept telling her to. Stories like hers make the news about once a month somewhere in North America. If the Jesus you say you hear started telling you to kill your kids for him, would you?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage anyone who kills in jesus name and goes to war in Jesus name is not following His teachings! end of story!
karnpayne 1 year ago
@karnpayne Anyone who is willing to kill or go to war in Jesus' name IS following his Teachings. Jesus didn't come to bring peace but a sword. (and he is OT God too, remember?)
If you want a list of all the biblical references (and Christian organizations that have used them) to start wars and go on killing sprees, Mein Kampf is a good a place as any to start.
You say "they're not true Christians"? They say the same about you. And God gave them the guns.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage same God new covenant i have read the whole bible :) Jesus said forgive your enemies and pray for those who hurt you! but dont get me wrong there will be justice and judgment for the christian and the non christian.and the sword is the word of God..will He repay men for their deeds..absolutely!
karnpayne 1 year ago
@eldoprdr The problem with christians is that they always try to say we never really knew god.. Well so true.. he does not exist therefore NO we did not know him. But we thought we did and we were sincere. But with a little brain power and research we were able to rid ourselves of the delusion..
FightsWithPreachers 1 year ago
I always had trouble working in groups, which lead to that I never got in to the group dynamic that makes a revival meeting. So one day I was with my brother in some random youth meeting which of cource had the music, waving hands and stuff like that, and I realized it was exactly what those same poeple claimed rock artists do to control people. If I'm not mistaken, they were actually talking about it in that very same meeting :-) I suppose it helped to just observe and not participate.
Retardretroguy 1 year ago
Jesus was upset at people selling animals in a temple. 3million dollar homes and $425,000 lying around to settle sexual harrassment suits out of court certainly outweigh the price of a chicken. People start associating Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch,etc with God, so they think God is being attacked when the preachers are being reported about in this sort of thing. Spirituality exists in my humble opinon but these preachers have taken too much from people.
Decapoe 1 year ago
i have seen both of my sisters knees healed by God and other miracles...God must not heal right?
gforchrist 1 year ago
It's good to see the truth come forward.
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
todd friel needs to get to know the God he proclaims to serve.....what ajoke to say you believe in God and yet cant belive He does miracles,granted not everyone is legitimate but most are! get over yourself todd
karnpayne 1 year ago
being slain in the spirit is biblical, there are many instances in which this happens in the bible, but my favorite is when then Roman soldiers come to Jesus, and He says, "whom do you seek?" They said Jesus of Nazareth. He said "I am" and when He said that, the amplified bible says they were drawn back violently and fell to the ground
christsaves1212 1 year ago
@christsaves1212 amen
karnpayne 1 year ago
@christsaves1212 you're a fool.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage what a bummer you wrap God up with the tooth fairy and have to swear and curse to make a point....ah well one of us is wrong and if its me then i lose nothing but if its you then you lose everything! so i hope you seriously decide to honestly seek for God not in man or a church but with all your heart!
karnpayne 1 year ago
@karnpayne pascal's wager? come on.
There's been countless gods and saviors and heavens and hells and mythologies to back em up. And every religion, ever, has always claimed that "we are the one true faith of the one true god(s). non-believers are evil and not going to heaven but suffer for eternity"
Yay cults
Your betting on literally one god in millions and you think it's a 50-50 shot?
God is not in any book I've ever read so far.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage fair enough there are many religions but i have looked into all of them and thats what they are religions that are trying to get to God or nirvana or re incarnated as something better,where as true christianity is about the fact the God came to us and offers us His hand of fellowship! i dont believe in Jesus just because of the bible but because i have personally seen to many healings and miracles to deny Him. anyway im not trying to convince you of anything this is my opinion
karnpayne 1 year ago
@karnpayne Personally, I've seen enough (non-Christian) miracles and healings to know that it's either the placebo effect at work or an out-right con.
For you to say "there are many religions but i have looked into all of them" -- just says you're lying. There are literally millions of religions (today) propping up millions of gods and each claiming "we are the only truth about the "real" god(s). obey us and you'll live forever with god...don't and you'll be punished".
Same shit. Same smell.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage ok mainstream religions if you wanna nit pick,anyway you havent seen a true miracle if you think they are all fake plus i have seen amazing miracles such as a grapefruit size tumor potruding out of the stomach dissolve instantly in front of 5 other witnesses,legs grow out and blind eyes see,if you have no faith thats fine just dont be so narrow minded that you wont concede that you dont have all the answers! this life without God is pointless and hopeless.
karnpayne 1 year ago
@karnpayne And I've seen the statue of liberty disappear, women turn into lions, birds appear from no-where and people levitating in the air with hoops all around them. It doesn't mean magic is real. I don't claim to have all the answers. I just know that tricks have been used to prop up magicians and medicine men and religions for 1,000s of years.
Life without God is pointless and hopeless? Tell that to someone like Bill Gates (atheist) -- if you can break him away from his charity work.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage i never said atheists cant do good things,i just said life is pointless and hopless because it has no meaning,you are just a bunch of chemicals that came about by chance and then you die and nothing happens so all you did was pointless...on top of that love is a chemical reaction and hate so if you are a real atheist you have to admit there is no difference between the two and wether i love someone and help them or hate someone and kill them well its just relative?
karnpayne 1 year ago