This guy is a complete moron, just because you know how to count cards does not mean you know how to make your bets, which he had no idea about it, its like trading money 95% people lose because they dont know what they are doing, having money isnt everything
I will admit...I did go a little "overboard" on the betting...And, I do understand that the player AND DEALER has the same chance of getting bj and the player gets paid 1.5 to 1...However, I'm just saying that "in actual play" (at least for me), bj's DID NOT come that often & the DEALER WOULD HAVE BJ, too! Especially, when I made those HUGE bets! This is just my personal experience.
This guy does not know how to manage his bets obviously. If he was using Kelly criterion for his betting he would of avoided betting too much when the count was positive. He mentions the dealer has just as good a chance of getting blackjack when the count is high which is true but fails to understand that over a large number of hands where the player and dealer should split evenly the number of wins with blackjack that the player would have a net advantage due to the payoff 3:2 for his blackj
You're the idiot, Rivonline. First of all, everyone knows u get paid 2:1 if u get a bj, but I'm saying when u bet bigger when the card count is hi...u can still lose cuz the dealer has the same chance as u & if u do get a bj, then consider urself very lucky! Oh, btw, talk to me when u start betting $5k a hand, loser
lets think about this a second, if you bet $1,000 a hand and you go back and forth with the dealer getting blackjacks, you get paid 2:1 while dealer only takes 1:1. If its ten hands you make 5 blackjack and the dealer gets 5 you made $2500 just from going back and forth. So whos the idiot now? the book writer or the math?
This guy is completely wrong. Card counting works so long as you put in thousands of hours of practice and research and have a huge bankroll because you are going to take some hits.
@CambridgeHeights Card Counting ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WORK against 6-8 decks. It was designed with single deck games which are hard to find. None of the counting systems work. Authors sell books & systems to gullible ppl that have no understanding of blackjack probability.
major casino corperations got together to pay this guy to write this book to discourage people to count. duh its not hard to see. He probably got a nice fortune making up this bullshit. He might of made mistakes but the system works if done right
You say when there are more aces and 10's in the deck, the dealer has just as much chance of hitting BJ but doesn't the 50% bonus make up for this?
Also the strategy chart would be more meaningful for instance if the dealer shows a 6 he is way more likely to both HAVE a 10 hidden and GET another 10 when he hits?
What was the most you profited and the most you lost in 1 session? or 1 day?
this guy contradicts everything this interview was about. That counting doesn't work. Although, he repeatedly states all of the money he had been winning. shucks
double up theory? It is called "Martingale" and is the first thing any real gambling book says *not* to do. Telling people is does not work is like saying there is no Santa Claus or that Professional Wrestling is fake. This lump deserved to lose everything.
When the count is very high, you employ Basic Strategy Deviations, such as stand on a 16 vs a Dealer's 10; often making the dealer bust. Ever heard of Lawrence Revere's Illustrious 18? Also that "Double Up Theory (your creation?) is better known as The Martingale - and any professional gambler knows to avoid it before he even approaches the tables! Sounds like someone didn't do very much homework before embarking on his gambling career - no offence intended.
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
My question is what was the bankroll that you had to be betting $5000 a hand? You would have to have a serious bankroll, plus a card counter would never use your double up theory. It all depends on the count, seems like your more of a gambler.
if you win 20.000 you are not going to bet that again the next day. you will put that away and start a fresh next day. he went bankrupt because he got greedy.
I doubt this guy is working for any casinos. Casinos don't want people to think card counting doesn't work. Casinos WANT people to think it works, so they can try to play blackjack to win, but make mistakes and end up losing in the long run, like this guy did.
This guy obviously isn't or wasn't that good of a card counter because card counting or just plain gambling, every good BlackJack player knows the first rule to BlackJack......DON'T BET WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE.
Oliver, in this interview you don't seem to understand that card counting not only works, but in fact mathematically proven as giving the player a 1 to 3% edge over the house. Winning and losing streaks are part of variance - they are short-term. You will not win every hand when the count is in your favor (and you will win some hands when the count is negative). But over the long term and with sufficient bankroll to minimize risk of ruin, profit through card counting is a sure thing.
@LastCommodore Thank you for saying what I basically was gonna say. Its all about money management. If you have a bankroll of $5000.00, your maximum bet should be no more than 75-80 dollars, on positive counts obviously, for a 5% element of ruin. Also depends on how much they cut out before reshuffling. 2/3 of a shoe is a 6-1 bet ratio. Anyone serious about winning at blackjack, I suggest you read "Million Dollar Blackjack" by Ken Uston. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
card counting isn't like a rollercoaster.. If you follow the rules you can consistently make money...and believe or not its not that hard..there are lot of books that can help you
Wow, this is ridiculous. Obviously this guy knows absolutely nothing about card counting and the math theory behind it. The betting strategy this guy had doesn't even make sense.
okay this guy sucks , everyone knows card counting works i have tried it myself and i won too , but you dont always win thats why you have to know when to quit,dont be greedy
Yeah, I did make at least $20,000 a day and then I would lose it the next day. However, when you're at that level, it seems like $20. It's just money. In fact, being down $1,000 was a good day. So, please, don't say that I'm stupid for going back the next day because when you're on that level it seems like nothing. Yes, I did feel like crap and WISHED I didn't gamble the next day. But, hindsight is a b*tch! And honestly, I don't care if you buy my book or not. I only make $1 a book.
yeah, sorry for calling you stupid,but dont say card counting dont work,because it works,I do it for 8 years now and i am making about €10,000 a month,I could make more but the longer you stay on the table the more chance you wil lose your money.
Dont discourage people what you say is not the true
Yeah, I guess you're right. I waited too long. I should have left when I was up. However, this was my story, my point of view. I know MOST people don't survive off of card counting. It looks like you're doing well, so I wish you the best of luck :)
@batmn911 You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
@greagen "The longer you stay at a table the more chance u have losing your money." Are u serious??? Listen...blackjack is a long term game if played right. So saying that staying at the table for too long is a disadvantage to the player is just idiotic. Do u have any brains or do u just type stuff you know nothing about?
@redverter I am playing for 8 years now,I dont know about you but I step in the right moment when I know I can maximize my profit,thats how I play for 8 years if you make enough money for 1 day quit,I know i can make more money but i prefer building up my money in a stedy way,i dont like losing money.
I dont care what you think I make my money and thats a fact.
But I understand what you mean,but I am not greedy.
@greagen The whole point is about greed, or money. If I won $2500 in a five hour period, I would prolly take alil break then hit the table again. Thats just me though. I dont like losing money anymore than u do, but it's gonna happen.
@redverter yes I agree somethimes I take breakes olso depending in how much i have earned in a few hours.but most of the time i win enough so i can quit for the day.Btw I never said losing money is not gonna happen,but you can break it down to a minimal loss.Managing your money is verry important and greed is the reason why most people fail.Btw how much do you earn a month?
@redverter i know you never said losing money isn't gonna happen. I was just commenting on the fact, cause alot of ppl think when we card count that winning everyhand is certain. I agree with you on money management. That is number one on my priority list. Even a gambler that isn't in it to count, but for the fun that manages his money well comes out a winner in my eyes. I make around $60-$75 on hour in a matter of three months or around 500 hours of play.
@greagen totally agree with you greagen. Im a college student in st goerge so im only a couple hrs from vegas. Ive been training myself to count cards so I can make some extra cash on the weekends there. My theory is that this fag on here is getting paid by casinos to write a book such as this and make the bullshit statements hes making. Hes made tons of money from card counting "he" just made mistakes. The system works if you know when to go in and when to pull out for a while.
@batmn911 dude you were fukin up if i lost 10k i would of called it quites if your a card counter you need to be smart with your money as well as your mind cant think you'l always win tisk tisk shame on you i just won im 21 and won 15k i put back in 3k and called it quites gotta play it safe sometimes man and always have back up money for your responsibility you was just being ignorant shame on you man
@batmn911 you are right men...I wish you get your money back as soon as possible...by the way, being on TV with a Book, you are already a winner...take care dude
what count do you use and what do you think of the ten count or the JSTAK11 as it is known where the values are 2thru9are+1 and tens are -2 and aces are sidecounted
Card counting is not going to make you win all the time, it is used to give you an edge over the house vs standard basic stragety, so when you use the combp of them you will have athe houses edge down to .0025
i guarantee u this guy has been payed by some casinos in san diego or vegas to say this...card counting is much more than just trying to hit blackjack....get a life douche bag
Believe me. I wish the casinos were paying me, but there not. I'm just trying to help people see that card counting doesn't work. And I know, card counting is more than just getting a blackjack. Give me a break, I'm not in kindegarten...douche bag
this guy is WRONG .... THE DEALER CAN HAVE 20 ETC... JUST LIKE YOU..... BUT WHAT HE DOESNT SAY IS THAT THE DEALER'S CHANCES OF BUSTING INCREASES... BIGTIME!! WHICH HE DOESNT SAY!.. EVERY BIT HELPS WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYING AGAINST THE HOUSE.... AND PLAYERS SHOULD USE CARD COUNTING TO THEIR ADAVANTAGE!
@AngeloR674 "EVERY BIT HELPS???" Please, that "every bit" you're referring to is nothing. You might as well flip a coin. I said my peace. Gamble at your own risk.
@batmn911 card counting works,, thiers teams and people pout their that have won millions!!! (mit) team for example u just have to be smart about it.. their are no promises.. knowdelge of the game and disipline are the best strengths
@batmn911 and what i men about "everybit" is that u gain all the knoweldge that their is about the game card counting, how many decks the casino etc etc......... card counting cant hurt use it to your advantage
This guys is the dumbest dumbass moron i have ever listened to talk about blackjack "experience". Obviously, hes not smart enough to have gone to MIT or Harvard. What. a. dumbass babbling fool. the only people he is trying to discourage are people like his dumbass self. cause he is such a dumbass.
Oliver is cool. I mean the guy once told me he had serious money issues from gambling. Here he is, selling books. Smart decision. Amazon has more stuff from him I believe, too.
Haha, the media's trying to pull a fast one on us. This is just their mainstream way of trying to discourage people from counting because they know it works.
what YOU don't realize is that you get paid 3:2 on a blackjack. or 6:5 lol. this is where the advantage can be made. i hope your book sells cuase you were betting 5000 a hand not even knowing why. IDIOT
As much as you guys might think card counting is a sure fire way to making millions it isn't. First casinos in vegas and many other ones are now putting the discarded cards right back into the card shuffler. They are switching from shoes. So the cards you just counted will be put back into the deck and you won't have a true count.
Now because you can't even see the decks anymore you won't be able to get a true count.
This guy's a moron. My guess is that he, not only can't count but doesn't know basic strategy and I'm positive that he had absolutely no money management system. Nor did he have the proper bankroll for $5000 bets. I hope he makes money on his book because he'll never make any at Blackjack.
His book is self-published and is only 44 pages long. That's not a book, that's an essay. He came up with the #3 ranking. There are different categories for rankings.
Also, if his betting units was $5,000 then his bankroll would have to be $500,000. He says that he was up only $20,000. Again no clue about bankroll management. He was a gambler not a card counter.
This guy is full of shit! Ed Thorp, a real Mathematician and inventor of card counting has proved mathematically, counting cards gives the player an edge. That's how the Casinos win when the non-counters play because casinos have an edge. Winnings come over the long run. They are genreated by EV. He used a progressive system that burned him. If card counting didn't work, Casinos wouldn't t look out for card counters. He's not a real BJ player. He has no clue of bankroll management.
I hope I dont catch myself yelling about how full of crap someone is that has written a book that is #3. If it is bull crap then he was smart enough to know the grade that sells books, or for casinos to pay him and still there are people watching him after a movie and a book and trying to tell other people what he needs to win. I like to see people kick ass and cheer them on too. One remains a looser as long as they think the winner is full of crap. Its not the winner.
this is bullshit...i aint saying im a card-counter nor do i go to casinos everyday...but im pretty sure that if this guy really does card-count and goes as far as writing a book about it ....well then casinos arent that stupid to let him in...i mean cmon youd think after going thru bankkruptcy hed stop...but no this guy still "claims" to hitting 25 dollar tables
I'm not trying to discourage card counters. I'm just trying to discourage newbies. If you feel that you are that smart and you can actually make a living on card counting then go ahead. I believe card counting doesn't work and I know a lot of people who have tried and failed. But, if you figure you are that smart then go ahead. You will eventually see your doom.
that son bitch may be smart, but he ain't got no friends! if you count alone, you lose for shure! what you need to win big is spotters and big players!
8 decks doesn't mean its impossible to count cards, it just means you need more practice and focus. A lot of casinos use 6 decks, which is not hard to count. This guy is an idiot for using his "rush" or "high" to bet. Counting cards works and works well.
This guy needed to go bankrupt to realize that the dealer can also have a blackjack? Geez, I wonder what needs to happen for him to realize that blackjack pays 3 to 2, but if the dealer has a blackjack, you just lose one bet.
I bet (no pun intended) that he is still playing but he just wanted to write a book to get rid of the future competition. It's pure mathematics, you can't say that it doesn't work. Expected value, hello.
card counting works because you know when you should stop if dealer doesnt count hel go over and you will get money but you win sometimes and lose sometimes but more win than lose if you win a lot of money stop an it will be ok
You crazy bastard!!! Card counting does work in the long run because when there are more high cards in the deck, the player can benefit from more valuable situations. Dealer gets blackjack, you lose, but when you get blackjack you get a 50% bonus in most casinos. Also, you can split aces, tens when the time is right, double on good hands, good insurance decisions, and stuff like that, but the dealer can't double, split, stand on stiff hands, or take insurance because of the rules.
Card counting works, but it's risky. There is a mathematically proven way to beat the house, which is not so risky, however works only in online casinos. If you would like to know it, send me a message and i'll send you free info.
can someone tell me the name of the russian professor of mathematics from the discoverytv trailer??he has legendary status in all moscow casinos for counting cards and winning money..someone knows his name ???
The quote is from Casino Gamblers Guide - 1966 Harper & Row
It is a privilege to possess a mathematical talent- however, a true mark of intelligence amongst those who are not mathematical endowed, is the willingness to accept
Hmm, this looks like an interview set up by the casino owners to scare people out of card counting cos it does work, ofcourse they are going to say it dosnt work on national television, if everyone did it they would be out of business. That guy probably lost all of his cash cos of a wicked cocaine habit, based on the columbian flu he has.
..and I don't understand his double up theory....the idea is to bet higher when the count is in your favor...not to double your bet because you just lost a hand
What he's talking about is what is known as a progressive betting system. There are a lot different progressive methods out there, but they all use a geometric progression of betting (e.g. 1, 2, 4, 8,...) under the theory that when you eventually win, it will make up for all of your previous losses and you start the progression over. Unfortunately, this just doesn't work. They've all been simulated extensively, and they all fall short, because when you play at a disadvantage, YOU LOSE MONEY.
...and I don't understand his off-the-cuff comment that the dealer can have a blackjack "just like you:" No shit Sherlock, but "you" get paid 3 to 2 - read the felt idiot.
Just the opposite. This is going to encourage people to try card counting, which everybody can do but only few do right. Casino's know the general population doesn't have the discipline to stay the course. Most novice card counters go belly up because they still think of it as a "game". The legit card counters take it seriously and want to make money. They depend on equations and discipline instead of hopes and dreams.
so really with card counting the only advantage you get are from the blackjack payouts? that double up theory is stupid, u can only double for so long then u hit the table max, and have a big chunk missing from your bankroll.
Now, to be honest with you. It does help a little bit on insurance. When the card count is very high, you should insure about anything. Unfortunately, insuring on a 12 through 16 is going to draw a lot of attention. Also, if the count card is very high and you have a blackjack, you should take even-money. It's also not a bad idea to insure an 11 and then double-down, if the dealer doesn't have blackjack.
it is true that the dealer can receive high cards too, in fact it is equally probable. However this fact is redundant, considering the overall goal of counting. The edge gained by the player comes from blackjack payouts. If the player gets blackjack he gets 150% of his bet. If the dealer gets blackjack he only gets 100% of the players bet. If the ratio of blackjacks is even as should be, the player will win more. Counting cards helps the player determine when a blackjack is more probable.
Yes, that is correct. However, how many times have you really gotten blackjack when the card count is high? How many times has the dealer showed a face card or an ace and you received a 16 when the card count is high?
The fact that this happens is completely irrelevant. like i said its equally probable for either the player or dealer to be dealt winning cards, but the player is looking for blackjacks. At high counts the probability of getting a blackjack could be a 1/10 ratio or higher depending on ratio of aces left in the deck.If deck is even, around 1/40. Knowing more about the deck is advantageous when deciding when to surrender (player=16 dealer=face card// loss half bet) or buy insurance (dealer=ace)
Yeah, obviously one of the main reasons people card count is so they can determine if they will get blackjack or not. However, this is based on a million hands or on a computer. In reality, people don't have enough of a bankroll to sustain these wins and losses. Anyone who thinks that card counting has a HUGE advantage is a total idiot.
This guy is a complete moron, just because you know how to count cards does not mean you know how to make your bets, which he had no idea about it, its like trading money 95% people lose because they dont know what they are doing, having money isnt everything
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I will admit...I did go a little "overboard" on the betting...And, I do understand that the player AND DEALER has the same chance of getting bj and the player gets paid 1.5 to 1...However, I'm just saying that "in actual play" (at least for me), bj's DID NOT come that often & the DEALER WOULD HAVE BJ, too! Especially, when I made those HUGE bets! This is just my personal experience.
batmn911 1 year ago
This guy does not know how to manage his bets obviously. If he was using Kelly criterion for his betting he would of avoided betting too much when the count was positive. He mentions the dealer has just as good a chance of getting blackjack when the count is high which is true but fails to understand that over a large number of hands where the player and dealer should split evenly the number of wins with blackjack that the player would have a net advantage due to the payoff 3:2 for his blackj
poochpoints 1 year ago
You're the idiot, Rivonline. First of all, everyone knows u get paid 2:1 if u get a bj, but I'm saying when u bet bigger when the card count is hi...u can still lose cuz the dealer has the same chance as u & if u do get a bj, then consider urself very lucky! Oh, btw, talk to me when u start betting $5k a hand, loser
batmn911 1 year ago
lets think about this a second, if you bet $1,000 a hand and you go back and forth with the dealer getting blackjacks, you get paid 2:1 while dealer only takes 1:1. If its ten hands you make 5 blackjack and the dealer gets 5 you made $2500 just from going back and forth. So whos the idiot now? the book writer or the math?
Rivonline 1 year ago
This guy is completely wrong. Card counting works so long as you put in thousands of hours of practice and research and have a huge bankroll because you are going to take some hits.
CambridgeHeights 1 year ago
@CambridgeHeights Card Counting ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T WORK against 6-8 decks. It was designed with single deck games which are hard to find. None of the counting systems work. Authors sell books & systems to gullible ppl that have no understanding of blackjack probability.
asherasator 1 year ago
this guy is a retard lol. good job losing all your money in one night moron.
xpress88 1 year ago
Thank you for misleading people. Less card counters means less casino scrutiny which equates to more money for card counters.
daaaaveey 1 year ago
Oh for the old days when announcers at least seemed to have an IQ and a little knowledge.
No more.
Sad.
KutWrite 1 year ago
what a douche bag, he got paid to say that on news.
DeusPayne 1 year ago
major casino corperations got together to pay this guy to write this book to discourage people to count. duh its not hard to see. He probably got a nice fortune making up this bullshit. He might of made mistakes but the system works if done right
Pippin9229 1 year ago
Oliver,
You say when there are more aces and 10's in the deck, the dealer has just as much chance of hitting BJ but doesn't the 50% bonus make up for this?
Also the strategy chart would be more meaningful for instance if the dealer shows a 6 he is way more likely to both HAVE a 10 hidden and GET another 10 when he hits?
What was the most you profited and the most you lost in 1 session? or 1 day?
devilspjh 1 year ago
this guy contradicts everything this interview was about. That counting doesn't work. Although, he repeatedly states all of the money he had been winning. shucks
MrRyandavis2009 1 year ago
double up theory? It is called "Martingale" and is the first thing any real gambling book says *not* to do. Telling people is does not work is like saying there is no Santa Claus or that Professional Wrestling is fake. This lump deserved to lose everything.
Srd1126 1 year ago
he was supposed to stop and invest not make it a living......counting works for me
supersarynumerary 1 year ago
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a guy who wants to sell a book
oysteineek 1 year ago
When the count is very high, you employ Basic Strategy Deviations, such as stand on a 16 vs a Dealer's 10; often making the dealer bust. Ever heard of Lawrence Revere's Illustrious 18? Also that "Double Up Theory (your creation?) is better known as The Martingale - and any professional gambler knows to avoid it before he even approaches the tables! Sounds like someone didn't do very much homework before embarking on his gambling career - no offence intended.
Tubescaper 1 year ago
@Tubescaper what is the double up theory ,I always double on 11 and a 10 depending on what the dealer upcard is of course
staypress 1 year ago
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
FezBDtv 1 year ago
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
FezBDtv 1 year ago
You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
FezBDtv 1 year ago
My question is what was the bankroll that you had to be betting $5000 a hand? You would have to have a serious bankroll, plus a card counter would never use your double up theory. It all depends on the count, seems like your more of a gambler.
LuckyCelinc 1 year ago
you are the dumbest guy in card counting. 25k in one and lost all of it.
secretdestinyz 1 year ago
if you win 20.000 you are not going to bet that again the next day. you will put that away and start a fresh next day. he went bankrupt because he got greedy.
wordlesspaul014 1 year ago
shit, it's his own fault, if you win $20,000, keep $19,000 of it and play with $1,000.
You don't have to go bankrupt like this guy, just have self control.
gestekoe 1 year ago
I doubt this guy is working for any casinos. Casinos don't want people to think card counting doesn't work. Casinos WANT people to think it works, so they can try to play blackjack to win, but make mistakes and end up losing in the long run, like this guy did.
madscout96 1 year ago
This guy works for the casino he mentioned in the beginning, any bets? .
homestarducky 1 year ago
I kinda feel brainwashed after watching this,,, anybody else ?
7Supernova7 1 year ago
This guy obviously isn't or wasn't that good of a card counter because card counting or just plain gambling, every good BlackJack player knows the first rule to BlackJack......DON'T BET WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE.
afroman452 1 year ago
Oliver, in this interview you don't seem to understand that card counting not only works, but in fact mathematically proven as giving the player a 1 to 3% edge over the house. Winning and losing streaks are part of variance - they are short-term. You will not win every hand when the count is in your favor (and you will win some hands when the count is negative). But over the long term and with sufficient bankroll to minimize risk of ruin, profit through card counting is a sure thing.
LastCommodore 1 year ago
@LastCommodore Thank you for saying what I basically was gonna say. Its all about money management. If you have a bankroll of $5000.00, your maximum bet should be no more than 75-80 dollars, on positive counts obviously, for a 5% element of ruin. Also depends on how much they cut out before reshuffling. 2/3 of a shoe is a 6-1 bet ratio. Anyone serious about winning at blackjack, I suggest you read "Million Dollar Blackjack" by Ken Uston. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
redverter 1 year ago
well if you bet correctly then even if you r down you shouldnt be losing youre bankroll, SO I ASSUME YOU ARE NOT COUNTING ANYMORE BUT GAMBLING
staypress 1 year ago
card counting isn't like a rollercoaster.. If you follow the rules you can consistently make money...and believe or not its not that hard..there are lot of books that can help you
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He just kept doublin' , and there's only one place where that works... Dublin.
tommysd 1 year ago
He just kept doublin' , and there's only one place where that works... Dublin.
tommysd 1 year ago
Im sorry, but losing all your bankroll the next day sounds a little reckless
TOdubblePUMP1 1 year ago
Wow, this is ridiculous. Obviously this guy knows absolutely nothing about card counting and the math theory behind it. The betting strategy this guy had doesn't even make sense.
ragingtortilla 1 year ago
this guy hella got paid to say this shit hahahaha
jose123santos 1 year ago
This guy's a fool
dolla69403 1 year ago
I wonder what system this guy used ,I bet it was the hi lo which i gather will send u to the cleaners
staypress 2 years ago
okay this guy sucks , everyone knows card counting works i have tried it myself and i won too , but you dont always win thats why you have to know when to quit,dont be greedy
future89danger 2 years ago
this guy was 2 greedy thats why he lost everything.and now he wants to sell his book and make a profit of it.
if you won 25.000 and lost everything the next day then you are verry stupid.
look at him,he just want 2 sell his stupid book.
card counting works you dont win all the time but it gives you an edge.
He did not managed his money he won 25.000
and lost the next day,if i had won 25.000 i would play nex week or month and start with 5000 th next time.its all about control
greagen 2 years ago 8
Yeah, I did make at least $20,000 a day and then I would lose it the next day. However, when you're at that level, it seems like $20. It's just money. In fact, being down $1,000 was a good day. So, please, don't say that I'm stupid for going back the next day because when you're on that level it seems like nothing. Yes, I did feel like crap and WISHED I didn't gamble the next day. But, hindsight is a b*tch! And honestly, I don't care if you buy my book or not. I only make $1 a book.
batmn911 2 years ago
yeah, sorry for calling you stupid,but dont say card counting dont work,because it works,I do it for 8 years now and i am making about €10,000 a month,I could make more but the longer you stay on the table the more chance you wil lose your money.
Dont discourage people what you say is not the true
greagen 2 years ago
Yeah, I guess you're right. I waited too long. I should have left when I was up. However, this was my story, my point of view. I know MOST people don't survive off of card counting. It looks like you're doing well, so I wish you the best of luck :)
batmn911 2 years ago
@batmn911 bet u made ur money back off all those books u sold >.>
MrEvilChicken 1 year ago
@batmn911 You obviously have not done your homework or played enough hours to realize how card counting really works. Money management is also a key factor, were you using full, half or quarter kelly betting? what's your risk of ruin? total play of pos shoe vs neg shoe? Did you calculate true count correctly to play and betting accordingly to the deviation charts? Did have your game evaluated by a professional? Card counting works over long term, the more you play the more you ultimately win
FezBDtv 1 year ago
@greagen "The longer you stay at a table the more chance u have losing your money." Are u serious??? Listen...blackjack is a long term game if played right. So saying that staying at the table for too long is a disadvantage to the player is just idiotic. Do u have any brains or do u just type stuff you know nothing about?
redverter 1 year ago
@redverter I am playing for 8 years now,I dont know about you but I step in the right moment when I know I can maximize my profit,thats how I play for 8 years if you make enough money for 1 day quit,I know i can make more money but i prefer building up my money in a stedy way,i dont like losing money.
I dont care what you think I make my money and thats a fact.
But I understand what you mean,but I am not greedy.
greagen 1 year ago
@greagen The whole point is about greed, or money. If I won $2500 in a five hour period, I would prolly take alil break then hit the table again. Thats just me though. I dont like losing money anymore than u do, but it's gonna happen.
redverter 1 year ago
@redverter yes I agree somethimes I take breakes olso depending in how much i have earned in a few hours.but most of the time i win enough so i can quit for the day.Btw I never said losing money is not gonna happen,but you can break it down to a minimal loss.Managing your money is verry important and greed is the reason why most people fail.Btw how much do you earn a month?
greagen 1 year ago
@redverter i know you never said losing money isn't gonna happen. I was just commenting on the fact, cause alot of ppl think when we card count that winning everyhand is certain. I agree with you on money management. That is number one on my priority list. Even a gambler that isn't in it to count, but for the fun that manages his money well comes out a winner in my eyes. I make around $60-$75 on hour in a matter of three months or around 500 hours of play.
redverter 1 year ago
@greagen totally agree with you greagen. Im a college student in st goerge so im only a couple hrs from vegas. Ive been training myself to count cards so I can make some extra cash on the weekends there. My theory is that this fag on here is getting paid by casinos to write a book such as this and make the bullshit statements hes making. Hes made tons of money from card counting "he" just made mistakes. The system works if you know when to go in and when to pull out for a while.
Pippin9229 1 year ago
@greagen hey man, what part of this planet are you playing??
Danilo0717 1 year ago
@Danilo0717
most of the time i play in the netherlands,monaco and dubai
greagen 1 year ago
@greagen hey i would like to know, do you make that money upon 2 or 6 deks?
Danilo0717 1 year ago
@greagen wich how many decks you usually play? 2, 6 or 8 decks??
Danilo0717 1 year ago
@Danilo0717
I play 4 to 6 decks
greagen 1 year ago
@batmn911 dude you were fukin up if i lost 10k i would of called it quites if your a card counter you need to be smart with your money as well as your mind cant think you'l always win tisk tisk shame on you i just won im 21 and won 15k i put back in 3k and called it quites gotta play it safe sometimes man and always have back up money for your responsibility you was just being ignorant shame on you man
Fperez04 1 year ago
@batmn911 - So did you self-publish?
KutWrite 1 year ago
@batmn911 you are right men...I wish you get your money back as soon as possible...by the way, being on TV with a Book, you are already a winner...take care dude
Danilo0717 1 year ago
@Danilo0717 Thanks, man :)
batmn911 1 year ago
what count do you use and what do you think of the ten count or the JSTAK11 as it is known where the values are 2thru9are+1 and tens are -2 and aces are sidecounted
staypress 2 years ago
Card counting is not going to make you win all the time, it is used to give you an edge over the house vs standard basic stragety, so when you use the combp of them you will have athe houses edge down to .0025
njisonfire 2 years ago
yeah i think this is bull sh.. he is obviously getting paid to discourage card counters...
Coldplay2085 2 years ago
iI agree for sure the casinos got to this guy and are paying him a lot of dough
staypress 2 years ago
i guarantee u this guy has been payed by some casinos in san diego or vegas to say this...card counting is much more than just trying to hit blackjack....get a life douche bag
mmaannuukk123 2 years ago 3
Believe me. I wish the casinos were paying me, but there not. I'm just trying to help people see that card counting doesn't work. And I know, card counting is more than just getting a blackjack. Give me a break, I'm not in kindegarten...douche bag
batmn911 2 years ago
@batmn911 but it does work u r wrong you must be on the casino payroll to put people off
staypress 1 year ago
this guy is WRONG .... THE DEALER CAN HAVE 20 ETC... JUST LIKE YOU..... BUT WHAT HE DOESNT SAY IS THAT THE DEALER'S CHANCES OF BUSTING INCREASES... BIGTIME!! WHICH HE DOESNT SAY!.. EVERY BIT HELPS WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYING AGAINST THE HOUSE.... AND PLAYERS SHOULD USE CARD COUNTING TO THEIR ADAVANTAGE!
AngeloR674 1 year ago
@AngeloR674 "EVERY BIT HELPS???" Please, that "every bit" you're referring to is nothing. You might as well flip a coin. I said my peace. Gamble at your own risk.
batmn911 1 year ago
@batmn911 card counting works,, thiers teams and people pout their that have won millions!!! (mit) team for example u just have to be smart about it.. their are no promises.. knowdelge of the game and disipline are the best strengths
AngeloR674 1 year ago
@batmn911 and what i men about "everybit" is that u gain all the knoweldge that their is about the game card counting, how many decks the casino etc etc......... card counting cant hurt use it to your advantage
AngeloR674 1 year ago
This guys is the dumbest dumbass moron i have ever listened to talk about blackjack "experience". Obviously, hes not smart enough to have gone to MIT or Harvard. What. a. dumbass babbling fool. the only people he is trying to discourage are people like his dumbass self. cause he is such a dumbass.
fsrsc7 2 years ago
hey people let help some friends with videos like this one send it to your closed friends. thanks
mytbp26 2 years ago
Oliver is cool. I mean the guy once told me he had serious money issues from gambling. Here he is, selling books. Smart decision. Amazon has more stuff from him I believe, too.
psibri 2 years ago
Haha, the media's trying to pull a fast one on us. This is just their mainstream way of trying to discourage people from counting because they know it works.
ZMaj7 2 years ago
what YOU don't realize is that you get paid 3:2 on a blackjack. or 6:5 lol. this is where the advantage can be made. i hope your book sells cuase you were betting 5000 a hand not even knowing why. IDIOT
kdp588 2 years ago
what is going on with these losser going on TV show
stanyful 2 years ago
As much as you guys might think card counting is a sure fire way to making millions it isn't. First casinos in vegas and many other ones are now putting the discarded cards right back into the card shuffler. They are switching from shoes. So the cards you just counted will be put back into the deck and you won't have a true count.
Now because you can't even see the decks anymore you won't be able to get a true count.
b4igetu 2 years ago
This guy's a moron. My guess is that he, not only can't count but doesn't know basic strategy and I'm positive that he had absolutely no money management system. Nor did he have the proper bankroll for $5000 bets. I hope he makes money on his book because he'll never make any at Blackjack.
eci5555 2 years ago
His book is self-published and is only 44 pages long. That's not a book, that's an essay. He came up with the #3 ranking. There are different categories for rankings.
Also, if his betting units was $5,000 then his bankroll would have to be $500,000. He says that he was up only $20,000. Again no clue about bankroll management. He was a gambler not a card counter.
ninjalou69 2 years ago 2
This guy is full of shit! Ed Thorp, a real Mathematician and inventor of card counting has proved mathematically, counting cards gives the player an edge. That's how the Casinos win when the non-counters play because casinos have an edge. Winnings come over the long run. They are genreated by EV. He used a progressive system that burned him. If card counting didn't work, Casinos wouldn't t look out for card counters. He's not a real BJ player. He has no clue of bankroll management.
ninjalou69 2 years ago
Card counting does work. What doesn't work is *thinking* you can count cards.
RussellsParadox 2 years ago
I hope I dont catch myself yelling about how full of crap someone is that has written a book that is #3. If it is bull crap then he was smart enough to know the grade that sells books, or for casinos to pay him and still there are people watching him after a movie and a book and trying to tell other people what he needs to win. I like to see people kick ass and cheer them on too. One remains a looser as long as they think the winner is full of crap. Its not the winner.
kirbylee57 2 years ago
this is bullshit...i aint saying im a card-counter nor do i go to casinos everyday...but im pretty sure that if this guy really does card-count and goes as far as writing a book about it ....well then casinos arent that stupid to let him in...i mean cmon youd think after going thru bankkruptcy hed stop...but no this guy still "claims" to hitting 25 dollar tables
EelamSoulja 2 years ago
@EelamSoulja i know thats why this is bullshit..
Coldplay2085 2 years ago
I'm not trying to discourage card counters. I'm just trying to discourage newbies. If you feel that you are that smart and you can actually make a living on card counting then go ahead. I believe card counting doesn't work and I know a lot of people who have tried and failed. But, if you figure you are that smart then go ahead. You will eventually see your doom.
batmn911 2 years ago
HE SOUNDS LIKE A STEAM ROLLER
eddiedaskull 2 years ago
that son bitch may be smart, but he ain't got no friends! if you count alone, you lose for shure! what you need to win big is spotters and big players!
GeniusRipper 2 years ago
he is smart and you know it
selling his book + Blackjack money
666darkdragon777 3 years ago
8 decks doesn't mean its impossible to count cards, it just means you need more practice and focus. A lot of casinos use 6 decks, which is not hard to count. This guy is an idiot for using his "rush" or "high" to bet. Counting cards works and works well.
UncrownedKing101 3 years ago
today casinos use 8 decks so good luck counting cards.
all you need to know is how to bet.
ilovbbw 3 years ago
This guy needed to go bankrupt to realize that the dealer can also have a blackjack? Geez, I wonder what needs to happen for him to realize that blackjack pays 3 to 2, but if the dealer has a blackjack, you just lose one bet.
I bet (no pun intended) that he is still playing but he just wanted to write a book to get rid of the future competition. It's pure mathematics, you can't say that it doesn't work. Expected value, hello.
Rehtomflow 3 years ago 2
hmmmm...I wonder how much the casino's paid this guy to say this?
billy3200 3 years ago
This guy was most likely paid by the casino's to say this to stop others
33514225 3 years ago
card counting works because you know when you should stop if dealer doesnt count hel go over and you will get money but you win sometimes and lose sometimes but more win than lose if you win a lot of money stop an it will be ok
Slaven1994 3 years ago
You crazy bastard!!! Card counting does work in the long run because when there are more high cards in the deck, the player can benefit from more valuable situations. Dealer gets blackjack, you lose, but when you get blackjack you get a 50% bonus in most casinos. Also, you can split aces, tens when the time is right, double on good hands, good insurance decisions, and stuff like that, but the dealer can't double, split, stand on stiff hands, or take insurance because of the rules.
pimpmyride666 3 years ago
Too funny
newbossmedia 3 years ago
Card counting works, but it's risky. There is a mathematically proven way to beat the house, which is not so risky, however works only in online casinos. If you would like to know it, send me a message and i'll send you free info.
polskigraczPL 3 years ago
send me that info plz
vershantis 3 years ago
can someone tell me the name of the russian professor of mathematics from the discoverytv trailer??he has legendary status in all moscow casinos for counting cards and winning money..someone knows his name ???
lampard1986 3 years ago
wake up eweryone do you know how meny casinos hawe sponsored this fool to go out and say all of that crap.
they are affraid for us so fuck this yellow guy and fuck all the casinos that are making millions a day and affraid to loose to us....
50typ 3 years ago
What a stupid motherfucker. Why would he lose his 20,000 dollars, and bet it off at a casino. Jesus christ.
Deadperson213 3 years ago 2
This is a classic post thanks.
A Quote Alan Wilson
The quote is from Casino Gamblers Guide - 1966 Harper & Row
It is a privilege to possess a mathematical talent- however, a true mark of intelligence amongst those who are not mathematical endowed, is the willingness to accept
the findings of those who are. Alan Wilson
GenericGene 3 years ago 2
Sounds like someone got excited, sacrificed his longevity by overbetting, and decided that it was the system's fault.
Well, one less fool drawing heat on the floor.
DjembeDude 3 years ago 9
Hmm, this looks like an interview set up by the casino owners to scare people out of card counting cos it does work, ofcourse they are going to say it dosnt work on national television, if everyone did it they would be out of business. That guy probably lost all of his cash cos of a wicked cocaine habit, based on the columbian flu he has.
Muahahahaha!
hoodwinkhiphop 3 years ago
..and I don't understand his double up theory....the idea is to bet higher when the count is in your favor...not to double your bet because you just lost a hand
nycgrneys 3 years ago
What he's talking about is what is known as a progressive betting system. There are a lot different progressive methods out there, but they all use a geometric progression of betting (e.g. 1, 2, 4, 8,...) under the theory that when you eventually win, it will make up for all of your previous losses and you start the progression over. Unfortunately, this just doesn't work. They've all been simulated extensively, and they all fall short, because when you play at a disadvantage, YOU LOSE MONEY.
DjembeDude 3 years ago
...and I don't understand his off-the-cuff comment that the dealer can have a blackjack "just like you:" No shit Sherlock, but "you" get paid 3 to 2 - read the felt idiot.
ipsolocatur12 3 years ago 4
Just the opposite. This is going to encourage people to try card counting, which everybody can do but only few do right. Casino's know the general population doesn't have the discipline to stay the course. Most novice card counters go belly up because they still think of it as a "game". The legit card counters take it seriously and want to make money. They depend on equations and discipline instead of hopes and dreams.
jessedrew73 3 years ago 4
hahahaha thats funny he so was sucking dick for crack
icmull 3 years ago
Card counting is bullshit. It's for people to make money selling books.
prizecar 3 years ago
I didn't make over 210K in a month with "bullshit"...
it DOES work, just try it yourself lol
nobby300 3 years ago
he didnt know that the camera was recording him while he was sniffing....lol!!!!!!!
spirosgreco 3 years ago
Rule #1 of gambling even advantage gambling is play within your means. He pushed it way to far and bet outside of his means.
Chrisbaker525 3 years ago
i agree just cause it is now stacked 2% your way still means you can get carried away and lose it all
icmull 3 years ago
This guy must really suck if he couldn't be Barona's game. SORE LOSER!
Rumpelstilzchen21 3 years ago
so really with card counting the only advantage you get are from the blackjack payouts? that double up theory is stupid, u can only double for so long then u hit the table max, and have a big chunk missing from your bankroll.
7271422013 3 years ago
So you win, pump your bet, lose your stake and try to recover your losses with a book. Sounds pretty cut-and-dry to me...a casinos' dream.
bigslick1979 3 years ago
bogus it works in the long run what retard would bet 10,000 dollars
you are gonna lose sometimes
sjmssc 3 years ago
you it rock bottom yeah sure lol
Masterstockli 3 years ago
yeah....what about insurance?...true the payout is lower...
MasterManagement 3 years ago
Now, to be honest with you. It does help a little bit on insurance. When the card count is very high, you should insure about anything. Unfortunately, insuring on a 12 through 16 is going to draw a lot of attention. Also, if the count card is very high and you have a blackjack, you should take even-money. It's also not a bad idea to insure an 11 and then double-down, if the dealer doesn't have blackjack.
batmn911 3 years ago
Interesting point of view...
Completely wrong, but interesting..
Gaspacho79 3 years ago 2
it is true that the dealer can receive high cards too, in fact it is equally probable. However this fact is redundant, considering the overall goal of counting. The edge gained by the player comes from blackjack payouts. If the player gets blackjack he gets 150% of his bet. If the dealer gets blackjack he only gets 100% of the players bet. If the ratio of blackjacks is even as should be, the player will win more. Counting cards helps the player determine when a blackjack is more probable.
dhartley1313 3 years ago 6
Yes, that is correct. However, how many times have you really gotten blackjack when the card count is high? How many times has the dealer showed a face card or an ace and you received a 16 when the card count is high?
batmn911 3 years ago
The fact that this happens is completely irrelevant. like i said its equally probable for either the player or dealer to be dealt winning cards, but the player is looking for blackjacks. At high counts the probability of getting a blackjack could be a 1/10 ratio or higher depending on ratio of aces left in the deck.If deck is even, around 1/40. Knowing more about the deck is advantageous when deciding when to surrender (player=16 dealer=face card// loss half bet) or buy insurance (dealer=ace)
dhartley1313 3 years ago 2
Yeah, obviously one of the main reasons people card count is so they can determine if they will get blackjack or not. However, this is based on a million hands or on a computer. In reality, people don't have enough of a bankroll to sustain these wins and losses. Anyone who thinks that card counting has a HUGE advantage is a total idiot.
batmn911 3 years ago
The AP plays ONLY with adequate bankroll. You are correct in saying that the advantage is minimal.
Then we could talk spreads...
livorno21 3 years ago
@dhartley1313 not only the 150% bonus is favorable to the player, but splitting pairs and doubling down are an advantage as well.
redverter 1 year ago
This was an awsome book. This guy is a very intelligent person. He understands that the dealer can have high cards as well.
jordanrocks2321 3 years ago
This guy is absolutely right! I have been gambling for decades and I've tried card counting. What he's saying is true.
ufcme123 3 years ago