"this is just confusing me thinking the atheist way because its not real" because you can't grasp the concept of quantum mechanics that makes it not real. great logic there.
1) No God, something came from nothing. This is illogical.
God was always there, ergo having the same trait you yourself scorn.
Thermodynamics says that matter cannot be created or destroyed in the world we live in, leaving three distinct possibilities, these being that all matter was always there, the universe came into being ex nihilo, or the universe's laws weren't established until post big bang.
Your God is the least likely of these scenario, even more so if you're a Christian.
The fact that we are, at present, unable to provide a scientific account of exactly how matter came into existence does not give sufficient reason to accept the claim that there is a creator beyond our understanding, more specifically, the Christian God. It is only evidence for our lack of understanding. Secondly, if God is beyond our perception, he is necessarily as unprovable as Zeus, Ra, the Great Green Arkleseizure or nothing at all. Claims can only be accepted based on sufficient evidence.
You should really stop making the assumption that the creator of the universe is the same as the biblical god, these are both two separate theories. You can't compare a magnificent higher being to a bad and evil parent.
Unfortunately when baptized you are a christian, doesn't mean you have to believe the bullshit in the bible though.
Signed a christian, but supremely a human.(Debaptism is a bitch, curiously freedom from religion is unrealizable)
Also, merely substitute "God" with any other "being or diety or item or sham-wow" and your "logical" argument is still just as logical. However, the statements would be mutually exclusive. Logical? No.
What if I substitute the word "the universe" in place of your arguments for "God". The "Universe" is beyond our understanding, it has always been and always will be, it takes more faith to believe in a super huge being that's larger than the universe than to believe in the universe itself.
God has always existed? How is that more logical? He's "beyond our understanding" and has always been around is easier to believe in than believing that we can't explain everything *yet* with science? Your "logic" is filled with arguments based on a god of the gaps, arguments from ignorance etc. Your "logic" is confused. Atheism is the exact opposite of faith. It's based on accepting evidence based facts/understandings. Faith is the belief in something in the absence of evidence. Try Again.
Jesus came here to show love to every one of us and show that he is the only true way to God Because God is true and he is Alive and we don't have to stone people to death because it dosen't talk about that in the New Testament.
the most repulsive things you will ever read are in the bible - psalms 19:7 - Exodus 31:15 - Leviticus 24:16 - Leviticus 20:9 - Leviticus 20:13 - Deut 21 - Mathew 18:7-9 - 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 Tims 2
I have much much more,the bible condones slavery,sexism,genocide,etc If you wish to debate me come on then,have your bible ready.Thats if you've even read it?! ! !
@DaAlphaOmega If you want to discuss about this I cannot discuss these in the 486-word limit... sorry... this is why I offered to debate with you over mail... which you ignored.. :(
i was talking about when God created the Earth and Adam and Eve partook of the Apple. Yes i am a 100% Believer of God i Beleive Every Word in the Bible is True and Yes i am a Christian
@granist you are obligated to kill non believers,you are obligated to kill people who work on the sabbath,and kill homosexuals,rebelious teens,etc If you really believe in the bible you should get to it,you have 10s of millions to kill.The bible is immoral and repulsive! If you deny that the bible says these things in it then you have never read it!
before the Eating of the Forbidden fruit Satan or Lucifer as he is called know was a Serpent and told eve to eat of this fruit and she ate it and gave it to adam as he partook of it.
Hahahaha, reading all the comments. Man, Athiests are sure tough talking when ON THE INTERNET. Hahahah. Im an Athiest but whats with the swear words? Sounds like some of these athiest are just dumbass foul mouthed teenagers. I mean at what age do people swear the most?
When you get in a serious accident lose allot of blood.
Don't call 911
Don't go to hospital
Pray to god
If you come out alive... I promise you I will donate all my money, job,everything I own to charity and dedicate my entire life to god, I will go to the deepest corners of earth and help the needed.
You have it wrong the opposition of atheist to religion is the view of a human like old man in the sky judging you. rewarding and punishing people, God if you consider it as a order and reason for the universe to exist does not have to be humanized, the Bible, the Quran and Torah refer to "God" that way, some of the most loving and descent people I know are atheist.
umm.. yes, I have reason to believe that the atom has been there all through time.. the atom and time were both created at the same time, before that.. well there was no before because that would be to suggest that time existed before it existed.. that is about as far as i can actually be arsed to watch in this video due to the fact that you clearly don't get it. you're running with the presupposition that god exists, therefore you cannot possibly come to any other conclusion.
If you bothered to study cosmology, then you would see that something can come from nothing, and that nothing is actually an unstable state that can't last for long, if ever.
@alvagoldbook2 ....to me that would seem entirely consistent with a Creator who is OMNIPRESENT.....Again, that's pretty good for illiterate sheep herders to write a book that is so cosmologically accurate. I would say that the Bible was inspired of God.
@Laylow4now What's accurate about it? If the bible tells us that in the beginning there was nothing, and cosmology tells us that it's damn near impossible to have nothingness, then where does the accuracy begin? The bible was created by man to explain things he didn't understand, and educate a semi-barbarous ancestry.
@alvagoldbook2 ......Tell Stephen Hawking that. He seems to be convinced that "nothing" spontaneously gave rise to this entire universe. Secondly, the Bible does not teach that at all. There was God, and millions of angels. The chief angels started a rebellion, and God created this universe as the answer. There has never been "nothing" because the Creator has always existed.
@Laylow4now Tell Lawrence Krauss about that. Do a google video search of "Something From Nothing". I've read the book of Genesis. I don't remember millions of angels mentioned. If the Creator always existed, then you might as well say the universe has always existed. The only difference is that we have evidence that the universe exists.
@alvagoldbook2 .....Yes, it is strange that either of them existed. But that doesn't mean that both of them did. God is eternal. He is the Creator. The universe is created, as are we.
@alvagoldbook2 Yes we do have evidence.. when we pray, God answers our prayers.... That is enough evidence... you wanna see evidence?? you pray and ask God... I'm sure he would show you too
@sashalex91 Every time Bono claps, a child in Africa dies. Does that mean that Bono is responsible for the mass murder of African children? Of course not; correlation is not causation. How often do you pray and fail to get the desired result? Fairly often, I'd imagine...I'm guessing you just ignore those ones though, right?
Prayer has been proven over a great number of studies to be exactly the same as not-prayer. It only gains validity due to confirmation bias.
@IShigenariI Well it also depends on who is praying and how you are praying.... Will you call Barack Obama on the phone like how you call your friend? Or would you set an appointment with him and then meet him? Compare that with how you would meet your CEO ... would you say 'wassup buddy' or would you address him as 'sir'? The higher up the person is, the more respect and preparation you need.... you cant pray to the most Holy god with your sin...
Wash your sins and pray..... Your prayers would be heard as well...
Your prayers wont even reach the doors of heaven if you pray with unholiness...
I dont claim to be perfectly Holy... But I wash my sins everytime I pray and ask God to help me become Holy... I admit that I am not capable of keeping myself holy all the time.. this is why I need His help to be Holy
@sashalex91 Humble yourself, wash your sins, have genuine faith, pray to God with reverence and a clean heart... and you would hear your prayers getting answered....
If you arent willing to do any of it... stop arguing here for the sake of it.. and dont waste my time :)
@sashalex91 And if somebody lives a perfectly altruistic life without 'sinning' without ever once praying to God or accepting religion? Can you genuinely say that they are inferior to somebody who lives selfishly yet absolves themselves with prayer and confession?
As Steve Weinberg once said: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
@sashalex91 By way of a more direct response to your reply, I wasn't saying that some people's prayers aren't answered, I was saying that some of your prayers specifically aren't answered. How do you account for God's apparent inconsistency with which prayers he chooses to answer? Furthermore, when they appear to be answered, how can you isolate your prayer as the only possible cause? Surely there are other, more plausible factors.
@IShigenariI I have never found God to be inconsistent in his replies.... If you found him to be inconsistent with yours then you gotta check what your prayers are about..
Of course if you are praying to God with ill intent it obviously wont be answered
@sashalex91 What about when people pray to God when somebody is in hospital and they still die? What if you prayed to win the lottery (so you could give it all to a good cause, for the sake of intent) and did not win it? Of course not all prayers are answered. As for the ability to make statements, you're correct; what empirical proof to you have that we are born with the sins of our ancestors? I'll answer it for you - none.
@IShigenariI Well God has saved my grandma from death... my cousin had an advanced stage of cancer and she survived after our prayers...
Again let me tell you... are you sure the prayers were made by a man who didnt have any sin? were the prayers eligible for God to hear? I dont think so...
And God would never help you win a lottery.. god blesses people who work hard... not people who buy lottery tickets no matter how noble your intention is
@IShigenariI Can you prove that you have sin right now? Well..... prove that to me by whichever method you want and maybe then we can think about proving ancestral sin
@sashalex91 Attributing the survival of your grandma and cousin to prayer, aside from being fairly insulting and dismissive to the medical professionals who treated them, is an example of a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. You can not prove that your prayers saved their lives just as much as you can not prove that your decision to cross the road saved them. As for the idea of sin, I would firstly like to point out that sin is a concept that is predicated on the existence of (cont)
@sashalex91 a Christian God. In order to prove that sin, let alone ancestral sin, actually exists, you must first prove that God exists in order for those actions to be deemed sinful. In answer to your question, then, I am unable to prove that I have sinned or have inherited sin and it is up to you, as the person making the positive claim, to provide evidence to give credence to your assertions. Now, onto the subject of what prayers God may or may not choose to answer. (cont)
@sashalex91 The fact is that an omnibenevolent deity who supposedly loves each of his creations equally is in no position to cause intentional suffering to a patient or, indeed, arbitrate on the subject of whether or not they survive based on the religious credentials of those praying for them. If a person does not meet the required standards of 'holiness' or is too 'sinful' (both terms are vagueries, I might add), is it then justified for God to allow their relative to die (cont)
@IShigenariI (let us, for the sake of argument, assume that this relative is free of sin and sufficiently holy) because the individual praying for them is deemed unworthy of divine intervention? Of course it isn't; God is then punishing somebody else for the crimes of another. This actually creates an interesting paradox - on the one hand, God would be unjustified in letting the relative die but, by your standards, would be equally unjustified in answering the prayer. (cont)
@IShigenariI In this scenario, God must choose to go against his very nature in both cases, thereby breaking his own moral code - this means that he can not possibly be omnibenevolent. As God can not exist, at least in the way he is defined by the Christian faith, if his fundamental attributes are shown to be false, it stands to reason that he negates his very existence in a cruel twist of logic. Can you see now how your argument is necessarily incorrect?
@IShigenariI God loves his creation... he doesnt want to cause them pain.... but the devil wants to cause you pain... And you cannot move the hand of god unless you pray.... God cannot act unless you ask him to help you....
He is constrained by his own law.... God is a just God....
@sashalex91 why is it that literally no empirical evidence exists that would lead me to the rational conclusion that he does. Faith is not a valid reason for acceptance of a claim; if I accepted things on faith, I would have to also believe in homeopathy, raiki, chakra and other pseudoscience. Similarly, if God can not be rationally proven to exist, I am left with no choice but to also accept the existence of Thor, Ra and Zeus purely because I can not disprove them (cont)
@sashalex91 As for the Devil, again, God's nature does not allow this. God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent. This means that he would want to stop the devil from doing evil and that he has the power to do so. Either he allows the devil to do evil or he is unable to stop him - either way, this fundamentally negates his existence in terms of how he is defined. All in all, I feel that you are now clutching at straws as you seem unable to continue to respond logically to my arguments.
@IShigenariI the same devil is trying to cloud your mind right now so that you do not understand what am writing.... he would obviously throw your mind into other things so that you would not understand it..... and i know the final result... it would end with you calling me mad or insulting me in other words.... just scroll down and see... it has happened before.... :|
@sashalex91 Even if doctors has given up hope, I still maintain that prayer is by no means the only possible factor - the fact that something is highly improbable gives no credence to its impossibility or, indeed, the assertion that 'God did it'. I would also point out that you haven't even attempted to address the paradoxical nature of your claims that I pointed out. I want to believe that God exists, it would make everything much simpler - given that this is the case, (cont)
@sashalex91 I'd also like to point out that if your response is along the lines of "prayers that aren't answered are not valid", that's an example of special pleading and is, therefore, fallacious. That would be like me saying that the moon grants my wishes and when it doesn't, I must have made the wrong wish.
@IShigenariI When I was a kid I had a stuffed animal (a Pound Pur-r-ry actually) that I loved so much. I prayed and prayed and prayed that God would make it a real kitty for me to have. Guess what? It never happened. Isn't it amazing that the only prayers that are "answered" are things that could have happened by chance anyway?
What makes either choice more logical than the other? You're basically making the claim that choice 2 is more logical, but present no evidence to back it up.
Logic fail. Go back to school and come back when you've actually learned logic.
@sleazybtd ....Your logic will break down when you encounter the Creator. He spoke into existence the universe which you have studied so carefully. He is not bound by it. Your conclusion has arrived at the very core difference between God and us. He is the Source, the Creator. We are but the created.
Your point is that something cannot come from nothing. God created the Universe. However, God created himself, right? He came from nothing then. You can't have it both ways.
If matter can exist for infinity, is it possible for matter to have existed for infinity? And if you're right, if matter was created from nothing, how do you conclude that it must have been a being which created matter? Could it have been a chemical reaction that we have not yet discovered? And to get straight to the point, how do you tie this creator to the biblical god, let alone a god which demands we worship it or else suffer for eternity? Even the best of apologists struggle with this.
1:45 excellent point, you are right, it is a lot easier to believe that everything we don't understand is due to some higher power. But I'm afraid i don't believe in something just because it's the easier option.
Well said bro. Everything has a creator. You're absolutely right! Something cannot come from nothing. Everything needs and has a creator. I like how you delivered this message ... some people can really be jerks when sharing truth with others. I'm with you on this one!
Why do you ask where the world came from but don't ask where God came from? Saying he created himself makes just as much sense as the world bursting into existence or that it has existed forever.
It takes very little faith to doubt the existence of something you've never seen. I don't believe in Santa Claus (and I've never even been to the North Pole!), and I don't believe in a god. The world seems explicable without resort to such superstitions.
First you say that things can't always have existed but then you say god has always existed. that is not logic. and to explain better how the universe was created watch this: /watch?v=A2IOOnAdP2s&feature=fvst he understands the world more then you do.
loool dude there's people dying all around you from starvation, disease...natural disasters and war....and you think some god is always watching your suburban ass ...yeah you're so fucking lucky and blessed and you pray to god that your parents worked like slaved and made a good life for you....you could die tomorrow...that's nature...it is how the universe works....it's not a fairytale my dude! you need to wake up! the laws of the universe are real ...theres no fairy up there
I'm so sorry you have been brainwashed, and are not to think for yourself, only to be herded into religion blindly and following with question. There is no god. It's all a metaphysical comfort-blanket for the weak of mind.
@Music002734 ....It very clearly states that the days of creation week were literal 24 hour days. Nobody who reads Hebrew can say otherwise. Read Genesis for yourself and see.
ok stopped at 20 seconds in to face palm. "Something from nothing" is YOUR belief. You believe god created something from nothing. Science states energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can be condensed and changed. Everything always existed, it just changed and grew. So the choice is believe in atoms or believe some magic man in the sky snapped his fingers? Guess which one is the more logical. Easy doesn't equal truth. Life is hard, why should truth be any different?
if a christian explains he is a higher being and that we can't understand it... then maybe that person is too dumb to comprehend anything (like evolution) and so he believes in a god which doesn't require further thinking
@YukoValis Define science please.. Let me do it for you- It is the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
God is neither physcial nor natural. He is supernatural. So it is really foolish to describe God according to scientific terms. You cannot measure the love that he has for you... OR the price he paid for you on the cross.
@sashalex91 ...Actually evolutionists do it all the time. They have never observed matter come from nothing, and they have never observed a living thing come from a non-living thing. Yet these are the two pillars of evolutionary theory.
@Laylow4now So I guess this is enough to show you how flawed the theory of evolution is.. It claims to be scientific but in truth it isnt!! I hope people see through the schemes of the devil and come to Christ...
@YukoValis .....Magic man in the sky snappin fingers...No. The eternal and almighty Jehovah Creator speaking this universe into existence 6000 years ago....Yes.
@Laylow4now sorry. I meant made up, unproven, unrealistic, evidenceless, fairy tale, god used to explain creation by ignorants. Anyone who thinks the world is only 6k years old needs serious help.
It's impossible to comprehend that matter has always existed or came from nothing, but totally possible that a being has always existed or came from nothing? Do you see what you are saying there? The only thing you are changing is the "being" or "matter" part of that sentence. Faith is the belief in something on the basis of no evidence. There is plenty of evidence out there. Be skeptical, be logical, and learn. That's the only thing humans have to base their beliefs on at this time.
That is an incorrect question. there are many more answers to how matter came about and even if time is relevant. time is the fourth dimension, and your question is dependent on time being an unchangeable force of nature. since time is a dimension, there is no real beginning and end. so, there is no need to complex the situation by trying to explain where things come from, because time is irrelevant. if you don't believe me, try to imagine not experiencing time, it is impossible for humans
Most atheists don't say there is no god. They say there is no reason to believe in it. What we can easily disprove is your god. Go to school, get a good scientific education, read the Bible critically and you will come to the same conclusion atheists do as long as you are honest with yourself.
i was implying that but not with a lot of conviction. sorry. let's see now. what have you assumed about me that is condescending and insulting. doesn't matter.
Because whenn we see the sun - we see CHRIST as CREATOR. So we see CHRIST the CREATOR through his CREATION. We see HIM in whole creation, we see HIm in the BIBLE, in our lifes, EVERYWHERE,....
The problem why u don't see HIM is because u don't want to see HIM. U are decepted and blind.
The Saints have met HIM DIRECTLY. Even in our days such Saints are living. Even in cities like San Francisco - St. John of San Francisco was such a Saint.
"Its alot easier to believe in a god" You said it yourself. And like you say, its logical. ofcourse hes just chillin in the clouds. Keeping an eye on you, making sure your okay. But step out of line sunny jim, and your going to HELL!!! He is right, everything else is wrong. Its like youv got your fingers in your ears, screaming "NOT LISTENING, I'M NOT LISTENING" Fair enough that you believe in this shit, but dont tell me that im wrong, just because i dont. Logical? open your eyes
Yes, of course! But from your silly post I have to assume that u never really studied the Bible, Theology or Philosophy? It seems that u don't know much about Religion or God.
But when u don't know God or Religion how can u reject it? U reject things u don't know? How foolish...
Don't claim that atheists have faith faith is the belife in something without any proof and we have proof. On to your other point about how the universe was around forever tell me why that couldn't happen and don't use any bible verses to show it.
1.) Atheists HAVE FAITH and BELIVE SILLY THINGS without proof. Or can u prove that God does not exist? NO - so u are a believer.
2.) When on the other side THEISTS have many proofs. Because everyone who searches for GOD - will find HIM. NO PERSON ever that started to search for Him - did not find HIM.
1.) Because there is CREATION and there is the CREATOR. Creation has a beginning point but not the SOURCE of CREATION. The created and the uncreated are two different things.
2.) God is uncreated - otherwise He would not be God. Seems that u don't know what it means to be God?
3.) Also wrong: When I say that there are 9 continents - can u prove me wrong or not? YES, U CAN. But u can't with God - why?
Good grief, how in blazes did you reach that conclusion? He's Greek Orthodox, and is against people who claim to have true magic or psychic or supernatural powers.
@adamantis4657 "U are misinformed! Because he can not be Greek Orthodox - only because someone is borne into a religion does not mean that he really follows that Religion."
Dude, I wrote that to Laylow4now. Why are you answering? And you're splitting hairs. I didn't say he was, or was not, born into a Greek orthodox family, just that the info I got said he's Greek ortho. So tell me, what religion is Chriss Angel?
@Xenophile665: I would say he has no RELIGION - because the religion he got from his parents - he does not practice. So I think he has no Religion. Like u - u also have no Religion.
@adamantis4657 Ah, so it's a matter of interpretation, whether to say it's literal or allegorical. In other words, you can spin it any way you like, right? Then tell me: if Ezek 39:9 isn't meant as a literal prophecy, (1) How does a reader know this from the bible? (2) What is the allegorical meaning?
I haven't read any "interpretations" of Ezekiel, just Ezekiel. If the god who allegedly inspired it has a different spin than mine, he needs to let me know directly.
Of course it is a matter of interpretation! Did u not know this? Wow - u must have missed school and literature and how to read and interprete texts? Because EVERYONE knows that TEXTS can be interpreted in different senses.
ESPECIALLY THE BIBLE. Or do u think when the Bible says: All the stars PRAISE THE LORD - that the stars will begin to chant? Or when the bible says: THE LION WILL LIE NEAR THE LAMB - so u think the Lion will really lie near the lamb? LOL - so silly
There are "rules" how to interprete TEXTS and especially the Bible. Or do u think everyone can read according to his taste and understanding? This would be the source for thousends of SECTS - like protestants do.
17 And you, O son of man, says the Lord God, say to every fowl, and to all the birds, and to all the beasts of the field: Assemble yourselves, make haste, ..
So we should to and talk to fowls and birds and beasts? Do u not see here that this is a prophecy in a metaphor or allegory?
God gave u BRAIN and He wants that u use it - especially when reading His word.
The whole Bible is full with ALLEGORY and METAPHORS. Or do u think God sits on a Throne? How can He ist when He has not body? How can He hear when He has no ear, no eyes, no hands.... God rested on teh 7th day? How can God rest?
Also Christ always used PARABLES and METAPHORS when He preached. Often not even the Apostles understood what He meant.
I'm no atheist but i think it is insulting to an atheist to think you can change their belief with a you tube video or an uneducated claim, supposedly scientific. i shoot back words when i'm shot at with words but otherwise i have no problem with atheism.
Logic states that there are an infinite amount of gods, who all created one atom each. They are all homosexuals, and they like lucky charms. Its so logical!
Science says we believe in a spirit realm because we need to? Intellectual idiots. We believe in a spirit realm because for 1000s of years people have interacted with and experienced the spiritual realm. They tell their story and those who know and trust them believe. Logic? 1000s of testimonies a year of experiences with the spirit realm indicates that there is a spirit realm. I believe that Atheism is the product of children being abused by religious Ass Holes. I don't blame Atheists.
@TomFynn ......In every culture, across the planet, regardless of language or socio-economic status, there are millions upon millions of people who give similar accounts of encountering demons, angels, spirits, and other supernatural phenomena. What kind of scientist would ignore such long standing eyewitness testimony and still be absorbed into some microscope looking at a rock and declaring that such a rock tells him the universe is 4.5 Billion years old and there is no supernatural realm?
@TomFynn Like i said, from real experiences. I trained myself to get out of my body. i was awake. i did it a few times. there are lots of people who can do it at will. just ask around and you will find someone you know and trust who will say the same thing. you think we are modern evolved beings just because it is the 21st century. joke. torture murder rape war and more. there is nothing civilized about us, as a whole yet. look at your language. who is primitive in this discussion?
@TomFynn I don't get it. I just read your posts. So let me see if I understand. You don't like the term 'spiritual realm'? You prefer the word 'heaven'? enough typing. time to shut down
@kenlaneshortt I don't like people spouting obvious bullshit like spiritual realm or heaven, based on a bad acid trip and reinforcement from other deluded fools.
As I said, this is the 21st century. Fucking grow up.
i don't do drugs. the most important thing in my life is the truth. whether i like it or not. you don't know me so who do you really hate? maybe you hate the truth, just assuming. you don't have any idea what i am talking about and yet your my enemy. i suppose you are young. talking like your buddies. fitting in. have any dark secrets? are you hiiding anything about yourself you wouldn't want anyone to know about or are you perfect, a perfect judge of everyone?
you started this exchange, remember. i have a couple of friends who write the way you do on the net. they were both badly abused by their step dads. instead of learning that abuse is wrong they grew up to be like their step dads. i think they are both changing and i think it has a lot to do with the way they vented their anger on the net. i don't know you but i respect your anger. i respect your words. i don't care if you believe me or if you hate me for stating me opinion.
@kenlaneshortt Are you implying I have been abused by my dad? A) That is an insult I will not forgive you. b) Stop the pop psychology. C) Join reality.
The universe is matter-energy, space-time, and existence itself. So does it make sense to ask what was before the universe, that is, what was before time? The universe simply exists. We cannot speak about "before" the universe.
@Laylow4now "Don't you understand that there has been falsely accepted scientific ideas before? ... The belief that heavier things fall faster than lighter things? {etc.}" Aristotle was not a scientist when it came to gravity - he did no experiments.
You forgot "animal magnetism." It was proven to be something other than what it was originally named. It is now called hypnosis. As for all those false ones you cited, guess who found them to be false: scientists.
"this is just confusing me thinking the atheist way because its not real" because you can't grasp the concept of quantum mechanics that makes it not real. great logic there.
jinofthethunder 10 hours ago
I'm in that awful part of YouTube again
hjordo 11 hours ago
You said:
1) No God, something came from nothing. This is illogical.
God was always there, ergo having the same trait you yourself scorn.
Thermodynamics says that matter cannot be created or destroyed in the world we live in, leaving three distinct possibilities, these being that all matter was always there, the universe came into being ex nihilo, or the universe's laws weren't established until post big bang.
Your God is the least likely of these scenario, even more so if you're a Christian.
YetAnotherInfidel 11 hours ago
The fact that we are, at present, unable to provide a scientific account of exactly how matter came into existence does not give sufficient reason to accept the claim that there is a creator beyond our understanding, more specifically, the Christian God. It is only evidence for our lack of understanding. Secondly, if God is beyond our perception, he is necessarily as unprovable as Zeus, Ra, the Great Green Arkleseizure or nothing at all. Claims can only be accepted based on sufficient evidence.
IShigenariI 12 hours ago
2 minutes and 33 seconds, and I'm still waiting for his logic to show up.
bordereye 14 hours ago
“Exceptional claims demand exceptional evidence.”
You should really stop making the assumption that the creator of the universe is the same as the biblical god, these are both two separate theories. You can't compare a magnificent higher being to a bad and evil parent.
Unfortunately when baptized you are a christian, doesn't mean you have to believe the bullshit in the bible though.
Signed a christian, but supremely a human.(Debaptism is a bitch, curiously freedom from religion is unrealizable)
Nivkbak 18 hours ago
Logic alone is meaningless if you base it on false or unproven premises.
rossini55 19 hours ago
Logic doesn't make an appearance in this video, this is equivalent to bearing false witness.
God really hates that BTW.
AndyCielecki 1 day ago
OMG! You have 66 videos out right now, you must be the anti-Christ.
duwhis 1 day ago
Also, merely substitute "God" with any other "being or diety or item or sham-wow" and your "logical" argument is still just as logical. However, the statements would be mutually exclusive. Logical? No.
What if I substitute the word "the universe" in place of your arguments for "God". The "Universe" is beyond our understanding, it has always been and always will be, it takes more faith to believe in a super huge being that's larger than the universe than to believe in the universe itself.
duwhis 1 day ago
God has always existed? How is that more logical? He's "beyond our understanding" and has always been around is easier to believe in than believing that we can't explain everything *yet* with science? Your "logic" is filled with arguments based on a god of the gaps, arguments from ignorance etc. Your "logic" is confused. Atheism is the exact opposite of faith. It's based on accepting evidence based facts/understandings. Faith is the belief in something in the absence of evidence. Try Again.
duwhis 1 day ago
Jesus came here to show love to every one of us and show that he is the only true way to God Because God is true and he is Alive and we don't have to stone people to death because it dosen't talk about that in the New Testament.
granist 1 day ago
the most repulsive things you will ever read are in the bible - psalms 19:7 - Exodus 31:15 - Leviticus 24:16 - Leviticus 20:9 - Leviticus 20:13 - Deut 21 - Mathew 18:7-9 - 1 Corinthians 14 - 1 Tims 2
I have much much more,the bible condones slavery,sexism,genocide,etc If you wish to debate me come on then,have your bible ready.Thats if you've even read it?! ! !
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
@DaAlphaOmega If you want to discuss about this I cannot discuss these in the 486-word limit... sorry... this is why I offered to debate with you over mail... which you ignored.. :(
sashalex91 1 day ago
i was talking about when God created the Earth and Adam and Eve partook of the Apple. Yes i am a 100% Believer of God i Beleive Every Word in the Bible is True and Yes i am a Christian
granist 1 day ago
@granist you are obligated to kill non believers,you are obligated to kill people who work on the sabbath,and kill homosexuals,rebelious teens,etc If you really believe in the bible you should get to it,you have 10s of millions to kill.The bible is immoral and repulsive! If you deny that the bible says these things in it then you have never read it!
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
before the Eating of the Forbidden fruit Satan or Lucifer as he is called know was a Serpent and told eve to eat of this fruit and she ate it and gave it to adam as he partook of it.
granist 1 day ago
@granist whats your point? Are you a believer? Are you christian? Do you do and beleive everything the bible says?
DaAlphaOmega 1 day ago
Hahahaha, reading all the comments. Man, Athiests are sure tough talking when ON THE INTERNET. Hahahah. Im an Athiest but whats with the swear words? Sounds like some of these athiest are just dumbass foul mouthed teenagers. I mean at what age do people swear the most?
angellicvoices 2 days ago
atheists are tuff.
DippingDonkeys 2 days ago
"This is confusing me." You pretty much summed up your point right there.
The1Infractor 2 days ago
Nope.
mattyc7 2 days ago
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When you get in a serious accident lose allot of blood.
Don't call 911
Don't go to hospital
Pray to god
If you come out alive... I promise you I will donate all my money, job,everything I own to charity and dedicate my entire life to god, I will go to the deepest corners of earth and help the needed.
samueldavs 2 days ago
You have it wrong the opposition of atheist to religion is the view of a human like old man in the sky judging you. rewarding and punishing people, God if you consider it as a order and reason for the universe to exist does not have to be humanized, the Bible, the Quran and Torah refer to "God" that way, some of the most loving and descent people I know are atheist.
maloso305 3 days ago
the big bang therory dose not even say something came from nothing
vidalhart 3 days ago
umm.. yes, I have reason to believe that the atom has been there all through time.. the atom and time were both created at the same time, before that.. well there was no before because that would be to suggest that time existed before it existed.. that is about as far as i can actually be arsed to watch in this video due to the fact that you clearly don't get it. you're running with the presupposition that god exists, therefore you cannot possibly come to any other conclusion.
guitarsaviour 3 days ago
Great example of a strawman argument from a dimwitted Creationist.
Physics > Chemistry > Biology. No magic man in the sky required.
It's sad how ignorant you are Ben.
bigboy45454545 3 days ago
If you bothered to study cosmology, then you would see that something can come from nothing, and that nothing is actually an unstable state that can't last for long, if ever.
alvagoldbook2 3 days ago
@alvagoldbook2 ....to me that would seem entirely consistent with a Creator who is OMNIPRESENT.....Again, that's pretty good for illiterate sheep herders to write a book that is so cosmologically accurate. I would say that the Bible was inspired of God.
Laylow4now 3 days ago
@Laylow4now What's accurate about it? If the bible tells us that in the beginning there was nothing, and cosmology tells us that it's damn near impossible to have nothingness, then where does the accuracy begin? The bible was created by man to explain things he didn't understand, and educate a semi-barbarous ancestry.
alvagoldbook2 2 days ago
@alvagoldbook2 ......Tell Stephen Hawking that. He seems to be convinced that "nothing" spontaneously gave rise to this entire universe. Secondly, the Bible does not teach that at all. There was God, and millions of angels. The chief angels started a rebellion, and God created this universe as the answer. There has never been "nothing" because the Creator has always existed.
Laylow4now 2 days ago
@Laylow4now Tell Lawrence Krauss about that. Do a google video search of "Something From Nothing". I've read the book of Genesis. I don't remember millions of angels mentioned. If the Creator always existed, then you might as well say the universe has always existed. The only difference is that we have evidence that the universe exists.
alvagoldbook2 1 day ago
@alvagoldbook2 .....Yes, it is strange that either of them existed. But that doesn't mean that both of them did. God is eternal. He is the Creator. The universe is created, as are we.
Laylow4now 1 day ago
@Laylow4now If God is eternal, you should have evidence for his existence.
alvagoldbook2 1 day ago
@alvagoldbook2 Yes we do have evidence.. when we pray, God answers our prayers.... That is enough evidence... you wanna see evidence?? you pray and ask God... I'm sure he would show you too
sashalex91 17 hours ago
@sashalex91 Every time Bono claps, a child in Africa dies. Does that mean that Bono is responsible for the mass murder of African children? Of course not; correlation is not causation. How often do you pray and fail to get the desired result? Fairly often, I'd imagine...I'm guessing you just ignore those ones though, right?
Prayer has been proven over a great number of studies to be exactly the same as not-prayer. It only gains validity due to confirmation bias.
IShigenariI 12 hours ago
@IShigenariI Well it also depends on who is praying and how you are praying.... Will you call Barack Obama on the phone like how you call your friend? Or would you set an appointment with him and then meet him? Compare that with how you would meet your CEO ... would you say 'wassup buddy' or would you address him as 'sir'? The higher up the person is, the more respect and preparation you need.... you cant pray to the most Holy god with your sin...
sashalex91 11 hours ago
@sashalex91 When I pray my prayers are heard...
Wash your sins and pray..... Your prayers would be heard as well...
Your prayers wont even reach the doors of heaven if you pray with unholiness...
I dont claim to be perfectly Holy... But I wash my sins everytime I pray and ask God to help me become Holy... I admit that I am not capable of keeping myself holy all the time.. this is why I need His help to be Holy
sashalex91 11 hours ago
@sashalex91 Humble yourself, wash your sins, have genuine faith, pray to God with reverence and a clean heart... and you would hear your prayers getting answered....
If you arent willing to do any of it... stop arguing here for the sake of it.. and dont waste my time :)
sashalex91 11 hours ago
@sashalex91 And if somebody lives a perfectly altruistic life without 'sinning' without ever once praying to God or accepting religion? Can you genuinely say that they are inferior to somebody who lives selfishly yet absolves themselves with prayer and confession?
As Steve Weinberg once said: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
IShigenariI 11 hours ago
@IShigenariI You are born with the sin of your ancestors.... nobody is sinless
I dont care what Steve Weinberg said... its easy for anyone to make statements...That doesnt mean their statement is valid.
sashalex91 10 hours ago
@sashalex91 By way of a more direct response to your reply, I wasn't saying that some people's prayers aren't answered, I was saying that some of your prayers specifically aren't answered. How do you account for God's apparent inconsistency with which prayers he chooses to answer? Furthermore, when they appear to be answered, how can you isolate your prayer as the only possible cause? Surely there are other, more plausible factors.
IShigenariI 10 hours ago
@IShigenariI I have never found God to be inconsistent in his replies.... If you found him to be inconsistent with yours then you gotta check what your prayers are about..
Of course if you are praying to God with ill intent it obviously wont be answered
sashalex91 10 hours ago
@sashalex91 What about when people pray to God when somebody is in hospital and they still die? What if you prayed to win the lottery (so you could give it all to a good cause, for the sake of intent) and did not win it? Of course not all prayers are answered. As for the ability to make statements, you're correct; what empirical proof to you have that we are born with the sins of our ancestors? I'll answer it for you - none.
IShigenariI 10 hours ago
@IShigenariI An interesting observation I noticed: No matter how much anyone prays, God never heals amputees.
alvagoldbook2 8 hours ago
@IShigenariI Well God has saved my grandma from death... my cousin had an advanced stage of cancer and she survived after our prayers...
Again let me tell you... are you sure the prayers were made by a man who didnt have any sin? were the prayers eligible for God to hear? I dont think so...
And God would never help you win a lottery.. god blesses people who work hard... not people who buy lottery tickets no matter how noble your intention is
sashalex91 8 hours ago
@IShigenariI Can you prove that you have sin right now? Well..... prove that to me by whichever method you want and maybe then we can think about proving ancestral sin
sashalex91 8 hours ago
@sashalex91 Attributing the survival of your grandma and cousin to prayer, aside from being fairly insulting and dismissive to the medical professionals who treated them, is an example of a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. You can not prove that your prayers saved their lives just as much as you can not prove that your decision to cross the road saved them. As for the idea of sin, I would firstly like to point out that sin is a concept that is predicated on the existence of (cont)
IShigenariI 6 hours ago
@IShigenariI doctors had given up hope... they said they cannot heal them.... so i dont think they would be insulted by this at all.....
and as far as existence of God is concerned.... Do you really want me to prove his existence again?? Hasnt it been overdone already?
sashalex91 4 hours ago
@sashalex91 a Christian God. In order to prove that sin, let alone ancestral sin, actually exists, you must first prove that God exists in order for those actions to be deemed sinful. In answer to your question, then, I am unable to prove that I have sinned or have inherited sin and it is up to you, as the person making the positive claim, to provide evidence to give credence to your assertions. Now, onto the subject of what prayers God may or may not choose to answer. (cont)
IShigenariI 6 hours ago
@sashalex91 The fact is that an omnibenevolent deity who supposedly loves each of his creations equally is in no position to cause intentional suffering to a patient or, indeed, arbitrate on the subject of whether or not they survive based on the religious credentials of those praying for them. If a person does not meet the required standards of 'holiness' or is too 'sinful' (both terms are vagueries, I might add), is it then justified for God to allow their relative to die (cont)
IShigenariI 6 hours ago
@IShigenariI (let us, for the sake of argument, assume that this relative is free of sin and sufficiently holy) because the individual praying for them is deemed unworthy of divine intervention? Of course it isn't; God is then punishing somebody else for the crimes of another. This actually creates an interesting paradox - on the one hand, God would be unjustified in letting the relative die but, by your standards, would be equally unjustified in answering the prayer. (cont)
IShigenariI 6 hours ago
@IShigenariI In this scenario, God must choose to go against his very nature in both cases, thereby breaking his own moral code - this means that he can not possibly be omnibenevolent. As God can not exist, at least in the way he is defined by the Christian faith, if his fundamental attributes are shown to be false, it stands to reason that he negates his very existence in a cruel twist of logic. Can you see now how your argument is necessarily incorrect?
IShigenariI 6 hours ago
@IShigenariI God loves his creation... he doesnt want to cause them pain.... but the devil wants to cause you pain... And you cannot move the hand of god unless you pray.... God cannot act unless you ask him to help you....
He is constrained by his own law.... God is a just God....
sashalex91 4 hours ago
@sashalex91 why is it that literally no empirical evidence exists that would lead me to the rational conclusion that he does. Faith is not a valid reason for acceptance of a claim; if I accepted things on faith, I would have to also believe in homeopathy, raiki, chakra and other pseudoscience. Similarly, if God can not be rationally proven to exist, I am left with no choice but to also accept the existence of Thor, Ra and Zeus purely because I can not disprove them (cont)
IShigenariI 3 hours ago
@sashalex91 As for the Devil, again, God's nature does not allow this. God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent. This means that he would want to stop the devil from doing evil and that he has the power to do so. Either he allows the devil to do evil or he is unable to stop him - either way, this fundamentally negates his existence in terms of how he is defined. All in all, I feel that you are now clutching at straws as you seem unable to continue to respond logically to my arguments.
IShigenariI 3 hours ago
@IShigenariI the same devil is trying to cloud your mind right now so that you do not understand what am writing.... he would obviously throw your mind into other things so that you would not understand it..... and i know the final result... it would end with you calling me mad or insulting me in other words.... just scroll down and see... it has happened before.... :|
sashalex91 4 hours ago
@sashalex91 Even if doctors has given up hope, I still maintain that prayer is by no means the only possible factor - the fact that something is highly improbable gives no credence to its impossibility or, indeed, the assertion that 'God did it'. I would also point out that you haven't even attempted to address the paradoxical nature of your claims that I pointed out. I want to believe that God exists, it would make everything much simpler - given that this is the case, (cont)
IShigenariI 3 hours ago
@sashalex91 I'd also like to point out that if your response is along the lines of "prayers that aren't answered are not valid", that's an example of special pleading and is, therefore, fallacious. That would be like me saying that the moon grants my wishes and when it doesn't, I must have made the wrong wish.
IShigenariI 10 hours ago
@IShigenariI When I was a kid I had a stuffed animal (a Pound Pur-r-ry actually) that I loved so much. I prayed and prayed and prayed that God would make it a real kitty for me to have. Guess what? It never happened. Isn't it amazing that the only prayers that are "answered" are things that could have happened by chance anyway?
alvagoldbook2 8 hours ago
@IShigenariI it doesnt just depend on what you ask.. it also depends on your holiness...
sashalex91 8 hours ago
1) The universe has always existed
2) God has always existed
What makes either choice more logical than the other? You're basically making the claim that choice 2 is more logical, but present no evidence to back it up.
Logic fail. Go back to school and come back when you've actually learned logic.
sleazybtd 3 days ago
@sleazybtd ....Your logic will break down when you encounter the Creator. He spoke into existence the universe which you have studied so carefully. He is not bound by it. Your conclusion has arrived at the very core difference between God and us. He is the Source, the Creator. We are but the created.
Laylow4now 3 days ago
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@Laylow4now [Your logic will break down when you encounter the Creator. He spoke into existence the universe which you have studied so carefully]
And you know this, how?
sleazybtd 3 days ago
"poof" god did it VS matter has always been there. I will chose the one that is physically possible.
DoctorDrewification 3 days ago
@DoctorDrewification ...but no scientist has ever observed something come from nothing. What are you basing your belief upon?
Laylow4now 3 days ago
@Laylow4now I'm basing my belief on the physically possible option. No scientist has observed a god of any kind either.
DoctorDrewification 2 days ago
@Laylow4now no scientist has ever observed god so what are you basing your belief upon?
DaAlphaOmega 2 days ago
oh, so because its easy to believe then it must be true!
BlessedByNationality 3 days ago
Your point is that something cannot come from nothing. God created the Universe. However, God created himself, right? He came from nothing then. You can't have it both ways.
comedychrises 3 days ago
@comedychrises No, God didn't create Himself. God is eternal, He has always existed.
SavageSaboteur01 3 days ago
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@SavageSaboteur01 "No, God didn't create Himself. God is eternal, He has always existed."
No, the universe didn't create itself. The universe is eternal - it has always existed.
ImFlareonBitch 2 days ago
If matter can exist for infinity, is it possible for matter to have existed for infinity? And if you're right, if matter was created from nothing, how do you conclude that it must have been a being which created matter? Could it have been a chemical reaction that we have not yet discovered? And to get straight to the point, how do you tie this creator to the biblical god, let alone a god which demands we worship it or else suffer for eternity? Even the best of apologists struggle with this.
digitalDanalog 3 days ago
1:45 excellent point, you are right, it is a lot easier to believe that everything we don't understand is due to some higher power. But I'm afraid i don't believe in something just because it's the easier option.
MrHoneyloops 3 days ago
Youre cute(: and i agree with you!
uptoCHINAtown 3 days ago
Well then give me a spicific verse that states that.
Music002734 3 days ago
Well said bro. Everything has a creator. You're absolutely right! Something cannot come from nothing. Everything needs and has a creator. I like how you delivered this message ... some people can really be jerks when sharing truth with others. I'm with you on this one!
liljen411 3 days ago
Why do you ask where the world came from but don't ask where God came from? Saying he created himself makes just as much sense as the world bursting into existence or that it has existed forever.
It takes very little faith to doubt the existence of something you've never seen. I don't believe in Santa Claus (and I've never even been to the North Pole!), and I don't believe in a god. The world seems explicable without resort to such superstitions.
Oleander410 3 days ago
First you say that things can't always have existed but then you say god has always existed. that is not logic. and to explain better how the universe was created watch this: /watch?v=A2IOOnAdP2s&feature=fvst he understands the world more then you do.
vidalhart 4 days ago
@vidalhart Dont try to fit the infinite God into your finite understanding. Thank you :)
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loool dude there's people dying all around you from starvation, disease...natural disasters and war....and you think some god is always watching your suburban ass ...yeah you're so fucking lucky and blessed and you pray to god that your parents worked like slaved and made a good life for you....you could die tomorrow...that's nature...it is how the universe works....it's not a fairytale my dude! you need to wake up! the laws of the universe are real ...theres no fairy up there
internetzculture 4 days ago
I'm so sorry you have been brainwashed, and are not to think for yourself, only to be herded into religion blindly and following with question. There is no god. It's all a metaphysical comfort-blanket for the weak of mind.
shatterlife 4 days ago
Thanks, for the video man another great point to wrap your mind around is
it states in the bible, that in the beginning that god created the havens and the earth right?
well exactly how long were the days then? explain that if anyone thinks they can.
Music002734 4 days ago
@Music002734 ....It very clearly states that the days of creation week were literal 24 hour days. Nobody who reads Hebrew can say otherwise. Read Genesis for yourself and see.
Laylow4now 4 days ago
"When you look at logic you see that" - Logic, I do not think that word means what you think it does.
1noen1 5 days ago
ok stopped at 20 seconds in to face palm. "Something from nothing" is YOUR belief. You believe god created something from nothing. Science states energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can be condensed and changed. Everything always existed, it just changed and grew. So the choice is believe in atoms or believe some magic man in the sky snapped his fingers? Guess which one is the more logical. Easy doesn't equal truth. Life is hard, why should truth be any different?
YukoValis 5 days ago
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@YukoValis actually the snapping of the fingers is harder to understand then atoms
atoms I understand, but with snapping of fingers I need to be able to explain what happens with that, so it only raises more questions
science can account for everything up till the bigbang and explain it
religion doesn't explain jack, what made god? how did he create the world? what process did it take for him to create something out of nothing?
MasSaCreS9 5 days ago
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@YukoValis actually the snapping of the fingers is harder to understand then atoms
atoms I understand, but with snapping of fingers I need to be able to explain what happens with that, so it only raises more questions
science can account for everything up till the bigbang and explain it
religion doesn't explain jack, what made god? how did he create the world? what process did it take for him to create something out of nothing?
MasSaCreS9 5 days ago
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if a christian explains he is a higher being and that we can't understand it... then maybe that person is too dumb to comprehend anything (like evolution) and so he believes in a god which doesn't require further thinking
MasSaCreS9 5 days ago
@YukoValis Define science please.. Let me do it for you- It is the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
God is neither physcial nor natural. He is supernatural. So it is really foolish to describe God according to scientific terms. You cannot measure the love that he has for you... OR the price he paid for you on the cross.
sashalex91 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@sashalex91 ...Actually evolutionists do it all the time. They have never observed matter come from nothing, and they have never observed a living thing come from a non-living thing. Yet these are the two pillars of evolutionary theory.
Laylow4now 4 days ago
@Laylow4now So I guess this is enough to show you how flawed the theory of evolution is.. It claims to be scientific but in truth it isnt!! I hope people see through the schemes of the devil and come to Christ...
sashalex91 4 days ago
@YukoValis .....Magic man in the sky snappin fingers...No. The eternal and almighty Jehovah Creator speaking this universe into existence 6000 years ago....Yes.
Laylow4now 4 days ago
@Laylow4now sorry. I meant made up, unproven, unrealistic, evidenceless, fairy tale, god used to explain creation by ignorants. Anyone who thinks the world is only 6k years old needs serious help.
YukoValis 4 days ago
It's impossible to comprehend that matter has always existed or came from nothing, but totally possible that a being has always existed or came from nothing? Do you see what you are saying there? The only thing you are changing is the "being" or "matter" part of that sentence. Faith is the belief in something on the basis of no evidence. There is plenty of evidence out there. Be skeptical, be logical, and learn. That's the only thing humans have to base their beliefs on at this time.
xxxCHANCExxx 5 days ago
That is an incorrect question. there are many more answers to how matter came about and even if time is relevant. time is the fourth dimension, and your question is dependent on time being an unchangeable force of nature. since time is a dimension, there is no real beginning and end. so, there is no need to complex the situation by trying to explain where things come from, because time is irrelevant. if you don't believe me, try to imagine not experiencing time, it is impossible for humans
jeff111147 5 days ago
Most atheists don't say there is no god. They say there is no reason to believe in it. What we can easily disprove is your god. Go to school, get a good scientific education, read the Bible critically and you will come to the same conclusion atheists do as long as you are honest with yourself.
jpak78 5 days ago
i was implying that but not with a lot of conviction. sorry. let's see now. what have you assumed about me that is condescending and insulting. doesn't matter.
kenlaneshortt 5 days ago
Q: What's the difference between a Christian and a Sun worshiper?
A: We can SEE the Sun.
Xenophile665 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: We also see CHRIST!
Because whenn we see the sun - we see CHRIST as CREATOR. So we see CHRIST the CREATOR through his CREATION. We see HIM in whole creation, we see HIm in the BIBLE, in our lifes, EVERYWHERE,....
The problem why u don't see HIM is because u don't want to see HIM. U are decepted and blind.
The Saints have met HIM DIRECTLY. Even in our days such Saints are living. Even in cities like San Francisco - St. John of San Francisco was such a Saint.
adamantis4657 5 days ago
"Its alot easier to believe in a god" You said it yourself. And like you say, its logical. ofcourse hes just chillin in the clouds. Keeping an eye on you, making sure your okay. But step out of line sunny jim, and your going to HELL!!! He is right, everything else is wrong. Its like youv got your fingers in your ears, screaming "NOT LISTENING, I'M NOT LISTENING" Fair enough that you believe in this shit, but dont tell me that im wrong, just because i dont. Logical? open your eyes
chrisbin 6 days ago
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@chrisbin: LOGICAL?
Yes, of course! But from your silly post I have to assume that u never really studied the Bible, Theology or Philosophy? It seems that u don't know much about Religion or God.
But when u don't know God or Religion how can u reject it? U reject things u don't know? How foolish...
Open your eyes and stop to post ....!
adamantis4657 6 days ago
Don't claim that atheists have faith faith is the belife in something without any proof and we have proof. On to your other point about how the universe was around forever tell me why that couldn't happen and don't use any bible verses to show it.
snakedefender 6 days ago
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@snakedefender: WRONG
1.) Atheists HAVE FAITH and BELIVE SILLY THINGS without proof. Or can u prove that God does not exist? NO - so u are a believer.
2.) When on the other side THEISTS have many proofs. Because everyone who searches for GOD - will find HIM. NO PERSON ever that started to search for Him - did not find HIM.
adamantis4657 6 days ago
"The Universe has a beginning point, but was it started out of nothing or something?"
God also must have a beginning point, was he himself created from nothing?
We can't prove that God doesn't exist if there is nothing to prove.
flyythojboii 6 days ago
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@flyythojboii: WRONG
1.) Because there is CREATION and there is the CREATOR. Creation has a beginning point but not the SOURCE of CREATION. The created and the uncreated are two different things.
2.) God is uncreated - otherwise He would not be God. Seems that u don't know what it means to be God?
3.) Also wrong: When I say that there are 9 continents - can u prove me wrong or not? YES, U CAN. But u can't with God - why?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
@Laylow4now "Chris Angel ... is aided by demons?"
Good grief, how in blazes did you reach that conclusion? He's Greek Orthodox, and is against people who claim to have true magic or psychic or supernatural powers.
You are one misinformed, sad, deluded person.
Xenophile665 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
@Xenophile665: U are misinformed!
Because he can not be Greek Orthodox - only because someone is borne into a religion does not mean that he really follows that Religion.
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@adamantis4657 "U are misinformed! Because he can not be Greek Orthodox - only because someone is borne into a religion does not mean that he really follows that Religion."
Dude, I wrote that to Laylow4now. Why are you answering? And you're splitting hairs. I didn't say he was, or was not, born into a Greek orthodox family, just that the info I got said he's Greek ortho. So tell me, what religion is Chriss Angel?
Xenophile665 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: I would say he has no RELIGION - because the religion he got from his parents - he does not practice. So I think he has no Religion. Like u - u also have no Religion.
adamantis4657 5 days ago
@Laylow4now "Bible prophecy ... comes true?"
Can you tell me when and where the prophecy in Ezekiel 39:9 came true?
Xenophile665 1 week ago
@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
@adamantis4657 Ah, so it's a matter of interpretation, whether to say it's literal or allegorical. In other words, you can spin it any way you like, right? Then tell me: if Ezek 39:9 isn't meant as a literal prophecy, (1) How does a reader know this from the bible? (2) What is the allegorical meaning?
I haven't read any "interpretations" of Ezekiel, just Ezekiel. If the god who allegedly inspired it has a different spin than mine, he needs to let me know directly.
Xenophile665 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: WRONG
Of course it is a matter of interpretation! Did u not know this? Wow - u must have missed school and literature and how to read and interprete texts? Because EVERYONE knows that TEXTS can be interpreted in different senses.
ESPECIALLY THE BIBLE. Or do u think when the Bible says: All the stars PRAISE THE LORD - that the stars will begin to chant? Or when the bible says: THE LION WILL LIE NEAR THE LAMB - so u think the Lion will really lie near the lamb? LOL - so silly
adamantis4657 5 days ago
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@Xenophile665: INTERPRETATION OF TEXTS.
There are "rules" how to interprete TEXTS and especially the Bible. Or do u think everyone can read according to his taste and understanding? This would be the source for thousends of SECTS - like protestants do.
adamantis4657 5 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9
Read Ezekiel - the verse u posted and later:
17 And you, O son of man, says the Lord God, say to every fowl, and to all the birds, and to all the beasts of the field: Assemble yourselves, make haste, ..
So we should to and talk to fowls and birds and beasts? Do u not see here that this is a prophecy in a metaphor or allegory?
God gave u BRAIN and He wants that u use it - especially when reading His word.
adamantis4657 5 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Bible - interpretation:
The whole Bible is full with ALLEGORY and METAPHORS. Or do u think God sits on a Throne? How can He ist when He has not body? How can He hear when He has no ear, no eyes, no hands.... God rested on teh 7th day? How can God rest?
Also Christ always used PARABLES and METAPHORS when He preached. Often not even the Apostles understood what He meant.
adamantis4657 5 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
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@Xenophile665: Ezekiel 39:9:
1.) Who says that it not came true?
2.) Who told u to interprete ALL PROPHECIES in a literal sense?
3.) Who has told u that this prophecy is about the past and not the future?
Have u studied the book of Ezekiel and its interpretations? I am curious which interpretation u have read?
adamantis4657 6 days ago
I'm no atheist but i think it is insulting to an atheist to think you can change their belief with a you tube video or an uneducated claim, supposedly scientific. i shoot back words when i'm shot at with words but otherwise i have no problem with atheism.
kenlaneshortt 1 week ago
Logic states that there are an infinite amount of gods, who all created one atom each. They are all homosexuals, and they like lucky charms. Its so logical!
TheJo4an 1 week ago
Science says we believe in a spirit realm because we need to? Intellectual idiots. We believe in a spirit realm because for 1000s of years people have interacted with and experienced the spiritual realm. They tell their story and those who know and trust them believe. Logic? 1000s of testimonies a year of experiences with the spirit realm indicates that there is a spirit realm. I believe that Atheism is the product of children being abused by religious Ass Holes. I don't blame Atheists.
kenlaneshortt 1 week ago
@kenlaneshortt "We believe in a spirit realm because for 1000s of years people have interacted with and experienced the spiritual realm."
For thousands of years people have succumbed to the voices in their heads more like.
Seriously, where do people get this shit like "spiritual realm" from?
This is the 21st century. Fucking join up.
TomFynn 1 week ago
@TomFynn ......In every culture, across the planet, regardless of language or socio-economic status, there are millions upon millions of people who give similar accounts of encountering demons, angels, spirits, and other supernatural phenomena. What kind of scientist would ignore such long standing eyewitness testimony and still be absorbed into some microscope looking at a rock and declaring that such a rock tells him the universe is 4.5 Billion years old and there is no supernatural realm?
Laylow4now 1 week ago
@Laylow4now Because rocks don't lie.
TomFynn 1 week ago
@Laylow4now "Millions upon millions ... who give accounts of demons, angels?" Seriously? Where are these "millions of accounts?" In your head?
Xenophile665 6 days ago
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kenlaneshortt 1 week ago
@TomFynn Like i said, from real experiences. I trained myself to get out of my body. i was awake. i did it a few times. there are lots of people who can do it at will. just ask around and you will find someone you know and trust who will say the same thing. you think we are modern evolved beings just because it is the 21st century. joke. torture murder rape war and more. there is nothing civilized about us, as a whole yet. look at your language. who is primitive in this discussion?
kenlaneshortt 1 week ago
@TomFynn I don't get it. I just read your posts. So let me see if I understand. You don't like the term 'spiritual realm'? You prefer the word 'heaven'? enough typing. time to shut down
kenlaneshortt 1 week ago
@kenlaneshortt I don't like people spouting obvious bullshit like spiritual realm or heaven, based on a bad acid trip and reinforcement from other deluded fools.
As I said, this is the 21st century. Fucking grow up.
TomFynn 6 days ago
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@TomFynn: To post "bullshit", fucking, fools etc.. is not a sign of education and intelligence - so it seems that u should grow up! LOL
adamantis4657 6 days ago
@TomFynn
i don't do drugs. the most important thing in my life is the truth. whether i like it or not. you don't know me so who do you really hate? maybe you hate the truth, just assuming. you don't have any idea what i am talking about and yet your my enemy. i suppose you are young. talking like your buddies. fitting in. have any dark secrets? are you hiiding anything about yourself you wouldn't want anyone to know about or are you perfect, a perfect judge of everyone?
kenlaneshortt 6 days ago
@kenlaneshortt You are rambling. Stop that.
PS: Hate? No. I'm trying to tell you that you are deluded. Stop listening to the voices in your head and join the 21st century.
TomFynn 6 days ago
@TomFynn
you started this exchange, remember. i have a couple of friends who write the way you do on the net. they were both badly abused by their step dads. instead of learning that abuse is wrong they grew up to be like their step dads. i think they are both changing and i think it has a lot to do with the way they vented their anger on the net. i don't know you but i respect your anger. i respect your words. i don't care if you believe me or if you hate me for stating me opinion.
kenlaneshortt 6 days ago
@kenlaneshortt Are you implying I have been abused by my dad? A) That is an insult I will not forgive you. b) Stop the pop psychology. C) Join reality.
TomFynn 6 days ago
What came before time and matter/energy? = What is south of the south pole?
V0nAnglesmith 1 week ago
The universe is matter-energy, space-time, and existence itself. So does it make sense to ask what was before the universe, that is, what was before time? The universe simply exists. We cannot speak about "before" the universe.
stealspell 1 week ago
This is so true!!! Why wouldn't you want there to be a God who loves you no matter what and offers you infinite happiness and love in paradise?
TheSurrealFeel 1 week ago
@Laylow4now "Don't you understand that there has been falsely accepted scientific ideas before? ... The belief that heavier things fall faster than lighter things? {etc.}" Aristotle was not a scientist when it came to gravity - he did no experiments.
You forgot "animal magnetism." It was proven to be something other than what it was originally named. It is now called hypnosis. As for all those false ones you cited, guess who found them to be false: scientists.
Xenophile665 1 week ago