who cares? song writing is only part of being a great band you cant deny that individually and collectively they weren't one of the most talented bands of all time
alot of those song were writen by the yardbirds which is led zeppelin since jimmy page was originally part of that band areo smith took train kept a rollin which was writen by yard bird which is led zeppelin with a different name
@shannyshanny123 Sorry, but NONE of these songs were written by the Yardbirds. Read the video.
Even still, Page joined the Yardbirds at the tail end of their career. Their sound had already been defined by Clapton and (even more so) Beck. Page only played on their last album, which was a commercial failure and had no major hits.
alot of Zepplins stuff was just improvised around blues scales,a very basic and very often used scales, and therefore it is unsuprising that they are similar to, or identical to some other songs
@therealmanchannel What about Black Mountain Side and White Summer? Those are anything but simple blues scales yet Page nicked them note for note. Coincidence? Accident?
Led Zeppelin are one of my favourite bands, always will be, but it is plain as day that Jimmy Page is a dishonest man when it comes to crediting other songwriters he basically stole entire songs off. The most shameful example is White Summer aka She Moves Thru' The Bazaar which is an incredibly original and complex guitar tune by Davey Graham that Page just took wholesale and renamed. It's a shame, as he also wrote many brilliant tracks himself, so why he had to steal I don't know.
@Biffmalibunor Yeah, it's funny how if you upload a video saying how great Zeppelin is, they don't mind if you use their music but the minute you point out that they stole songs, your video gets pulled for "copyright infringement." How ironic...
you know when i found out about this...i was shocked, cause it is pretty interesting. The mysticism was always fascinating about led zeppelin, there was always something meaningful...something more within their music. I mean come on, a mere photograph of them can capture mesmerizing attention...let alone their music. My point is..like Picasso said "Good artist borrow, Great Artist Steal!!" (or something like that) i don't care if they stoled my money...Led zeppelin will forever be amazing.
what's the point of this? who cares? shut up and listen to their music, it's out of your hands. why do you care anyway? its not like zep ripped off any of your songs. fight your own battles and let the artists who were actually effected fight their own.
On another note, Led Zeppelin kicks ass. Also I loved the music that was in this video. I'm just pretending it had nothing to do with all the stuff we already knew about Led Zeppelin. My furnace repairman told me all of this when I was 11, I told him that I didn't care because they made the hair on my arms and neck stand up so they must have done good enough. Years later I still feel the same way. It doesn't really matter to me.
they were greedy snobs for not crediting their sources BUT some people think and want this to mean so much more than it really does.if they gave credit to begin with they wouldnt be looked at any different their influence would still be what it is.they still wrote some of the best rock songs ever kasmir,black dog,heartbreaker,immig song,10 years gone,the rover,good times,what is and what,going to cali,in the light ,rain song ,no quarter,achilles.thats a best of album better than most right there
you can't argue with this, you can simply say the songs that the members of Led Zeppelin actually did write were hits as well. Though I must say it is a shame to hear of this shamble, but that is life, I don't see why Led Zeppelin didn't just give the credit to the people who wrote those songs. The songs that they stole lyrics from, they completely re-wrote the music portion.
Enough Led Zeppelin bashing! No one stole/borrowed more than Eric Clapton/Cream & The Rolling Stones! Jimi Hendrix, CCR, Canned Heat, Ten Years After, The Who, The Yardbirds, The Beatles & countless others have all borrowed. All Led Zeppelin's greatest music is original(Achilles Last Stand, Tea For One, Trampled Underfoot, The Song Remains The Same, For Your Life, Immigrant Song, The Rain Song, The Ocean, The Rover, Sick Again, Ten Years Gone & much, much more!) Get educated people!
this is true. led zeppelin was the worst at this. the rolling stones, the beatles, they all did it. it was a lot of british rock bands that stole sounds from american (typically black) blues writers.
well, jimi hendrix covered all along the watchtower, dylan admitted he made it his own. now go and tell bob dylan you can't make a song your own. I also already listend to some of the songs metioned and they suck.
@AlandBeachboys Yes, but the difference is that as much as Hendrix changed the song, he still gave songwriting credit to Dylan. Zeppelin denied the original writers both recognition -and- royalties, two things that they certainly could have used at the time. It doesn't matter whose version you like better.
To answer your question on my channel, most of Zep's songs were originals and good ones at that. They were just greedy when it came to giving credit on their covers.
@KevyNova it was a nice illusion that one band can create so many good songs. But at least they made them to that what we know today, and not unjustified. Because they are awesome
@polerbear1000 Are you kidding? Just putting their own names on the album credits is denying that someone else wrote the songs, but there are lots of Page interviews out there where he denies ever hearing Jake Holmes, or won't talk about Bert Jansch's version of Black Waterside, or he just blames Robert for the theft, even though the music was stolen just as much. Do some research.
Anne Bredon's version is the one Joan Baez performed (at least the recording I heard), it sounds NOTHING AT ALL like the Led Zeppelin version. The words are similar, but the music is completely different in the song I heard, by Joan Baez.
To be fair, the intro and coda "Bring It On Home" was an obvious nod to Willie Dixon, an admitted big influence on their music. The band knew this and it wasn't meant as plagiarism. Also, Led Zeppelin did write everything about "In My Time of Dying" aside from the words. It's a completely new song than Dylan's and previous versions.
As far as "Boogie with Stu" is concerned, they gave credit where credit was due. The actual artist was dead. Kudos on the "Song Remains the Same" joke, haha.
Interesting stuff indeed, enjoyed it...especially love the Mozart! But I would like to make one correction or addition when you mention that Yardbirds singer Keith Relf "rewrote" the lyrics to Jakes Dazed and Confused. Actually, the Yardbirds used the original words by Jake, you can check out my rare Yardbirds BBC recording of this on YT. Keith use the original words but YES also added his own to them. So to say he "rewrote" them is kinda misleading. Now with Zep,yes.. they were rewrote = )
As a LZ fan, i already knew this ( yeah, i know, nr. 10, but i just believe that every fresh LZ fan gets to know this sooner or later ) but unfortunatelly this will not stop me from listening to their songs (own or borrowed) and if somebody faces me with those facts im not gonna deny them, just will dare to ask for the point of blaming :) and will hope for gettin some SENSIBLE reason :)"
As a LZ fan, i already knew this ( yeah, i know, nr. 10, but i just believe that every fresh LZ fan gets to know this sooner or later ) but unfortunatelly this will not stop me from listening to their songs (own or borrowed) and if somebody faces me with those facts im not gonna deny them, just will dare to ask for the point of blaming :) and will hope for gettin some SENSIBLE reason :)
How do we know for sure it was Led Zeppelin not wanting to give credit instead of their manager Peter Grant, or their label. They may have had to bend to Atlantic and those people because "The young folk don't need to know" or them thinking they could get them away with it. I'm not ruling out the band though because who knows, I wasn't there and you sure as hell weren't with them when they recorded and printed the album sleeves. But I agree that credit is due where it is due.
@TheBob777 I would love to think that was the case but it isn't very likely for a couple of reasons:
1. Grant and Atlantic had nothing to gain by it, only the people whose names are on the songs benefit from it.
2. There was no rampant cases of plagiarism for other acts signed to Atlantic or represented by Grant.
Ultimately, it is the artist's responsibility alone to make sure that all songs are properly credited. Page had been in the business long enough to know how things worked.
The songs nor the albums say "all words and music by", they changed all of those songs with their own twist and made them better. If they were good songs then they would have been hits from the original artists.
@banditboy6666 Everything I put in the video is factually accurate, feel free to look it all up for yourself.
You seriously think that all good songs become hits? You should get out more. There is a TON of great undiscovered music out there. If you think that popularity is a gauge of greatness, then you must think that the Jonas Brothers are musical geniuses!
I know what you mean, but to say "Whole Lotta Love is Willie Dixon's You Need Love" isn't exactly fair, considering it's all original riffs and solos etc apart from the lyrics. Granted, using other people's lyrics/music without crediting them isn't fair either, but it's a bit misleading just to say that entire thing is a rip off. Similar story with the others you mentioned. And anway, Robert Johnson didn't originally write the squeeze my lemon lyric, so is he just as guilty?
@banditboy6666 I never said that the entire song was a ripoff, only the lyrics and style in which Plant sang it is an exact copy of Steve Marriott. If they had given Dixon a partial credit, that would have been fine. You can add all the solos and riffs to a song that you want, but it's still someone else's song and you need to give them at least partial credit.
@banditboy6666 It isn't exactly fair to try and disguise the plagiarism of words by simply changing the music, now is it? They were sneakily stealing other musicians materials, not giving credit, and making a ton of money. Not only that, but they are oftentimes created as the 'gods of rock,' when in reality, they are a sloppy, dynamically-lacking, unoriginal, average band. Deep Purple play circles around them, Jethro Tull play circles around them, live Grateful Dead puts live Zep to shame.
@CrimsonSteel lmfao you are calling a bunch of studio musicians sloppy? are you stupid. also, of course grateful dead live is better, they were THE jam band, and always will be.
Live, they WERE sloppy. Even their studio material has awkward sounding riffs. The transitions of some songs are shoe-horned in, a sloppy recording tactic. Repetitive song structures, a lazy writing tactic
They have great songs, and influenced tons. SO DID ALL OF THEIR PUPILS.. LZ ARE good, just not as good as their fanatics like to think. Most classic rock (Purple,Sabbath,CCR,theWho,Beatles,Floyd) had better musicianship, song-writing, lyrics, solos, riffs, singers, and musicians.
@Crimson Steel. I am afraid that you sir are VERY wrong. so are you saying that if they are ALLEGIDLY stealing music from somebody they are sloppy? It is not like they stole every one of their songs from them. They are still great musicians. They have wicked solos, great lyrics and unblevieable rythem and melodies. Just becuz they mite have copied a few songs does not make them sloppy at all
The main reason I'm calling Zep sloppy is their live performances. However, it IS sloppy to steal music and be unable to change it enough to sound entirely original. Also, composing the majority of your songs off of ONE RIFF and not throwing in anything besides a solo to change the song up, is very LAZY when its as repetitive as Zeppelin are.
They're over-indulgent, repetitive, and lack musical dynamics. The majority of their peers are more skilled. Most overrated band ever
@CrimsonSteel First off, most songs are supposed to be repetative. You arent going to completely change the song from verse to verse. you need to keep it uniform so it DOESNT sound sloppy.
@CrimsonSteel For their live perfomances, of course they play it sloppy. LZ played for three hour concerts. Have you ever played for three hours? its very straining and the mind and body. They arent going to be able to match EXACTLY what they did in the studio. and wat about viva la vida? wasnt that stolen? and didnt it still sound very clean? just because it MIGHT be copied, doesnt mean it is sloppy.
@CrimsonSteel They do not lack musical dynamics OR repetativeness. Just listen to stairway. It completely changes dyanamics three or four times not including the solo or ending. is that sloppy?
The songs were on Led Zeppelin 1 & 2 albums. I don't know a whole lot about the recording industry in the 60's, but certain things have probably remained similar to today. Did Zeppelin even have total control/creative freedom of the album? Rare for a bands 1st album. If that is the case, they aren't to blame. The record label would be. Also, if the material was copyrighted, the label would have to either give credit, OR buy the "rights" for the song. "Somebody" got paid for their use.
but when Page was hired to record for guys in the studio to play the rifffs that they found to be too hard it was ok, but when they decide to take someones lousy riff and enhance it it was'nt, seems like you guys want it both ways.
@gsolayman That's ridiculous. Should the members of the London Symphony Orchestra get composition credits for the Star Wars score instead of John Williams? Of course not! Page was a great session musician but that has NOTHING to do with what this video is about.
if you really loved them then you wouldnt be calling them liars and stealers. tell me why the hell should they have given credit to people that have been dead or retired for 10+ years? also if you knew anything about the blues you would know that all blues artists use others lyrics and its not stealing...besides lz took the lyrics yes, but they changed the entire structure and style of the song and thus created an original piece of music
@jmarshmellowman If you say that you wrote a song knowing that you didn't, that makes you a liar no matter who you are. Nearly all of these composers were still alive, active and mostly poor when Zep recorded their songs. Five of these songs are not blues songs. Read the video, they stole a lot more than just lyrics. Changing the style and structure of a song makes it a new arrangement, but not a different song.
regardless of the technicalities, do you agree that zepps versions are better? if no then you can complain, if yes than just listen to the music without talking shit about the band. thats what i care about, you call them liars and stealers but then still claim to be a fan. the fact that you took the time to make this video and then you still say you love them, im sorry dude but if someone did that about my band and then said they were my fan i would kick their ass
@jmarshmellowman I prefer some (but not all) of Zep's versions of these songs but my opinion has absolutely no bearing on the facts of the matter. You say I am not a fan? I can play any song from their first five albums on guitar. Would I have spent all the time and effort to learn those songs if I hated the band? Heck, I even played Ten Years Gone (one of my favs) today! But just because I like them as a band, I am not going to pretend that what they did wasn't wrong and you shouldn't either.
jmarshmellowman: it doesnt matter if your dead or retired, whoever wrote the song should get credit. what if they stole a song you wrote and said they wrote it and they got the credit? what would you think? exactly!
i honestly would care less as long as they recreated my song faithfully/ or/ did it in a cool way. i would only be pissed if someone like one of the jonas brothers covered one of my songs
@jmarshmellowman Even IF the writers of these songs were okay with Zep claiming them (they weren't, by the way) it doesn't make it right. Explain to me, if someone says that they wrote a song that they did not write, how is that NOT lying?
@KevyNova - Just started viewing this compilation and barely 40 seconds in, I'm wondering if you're "only interested in concrete facts," then you should refer to the FACT that Joan Baez album credited Babe I'm Gonna Leave you as a Traditional Number first, and Led Zeppelin, not knowing any better at the time simply did the same. Bredon received hefty BACK royalties beginning in 1990 and has gotten both credit and royalties ever since. Really, 20 years later, this is not even news anymore...
@Nafstejyn Yes, I heard that Baez had credited it as a traditional song after I made this video. That's still no excuse for Page to have ever said that he wrote it. (saying that you wrote a traditional song is still a lie)
What about all the other songs mentioned that they said they wrote when they knew very well that they didn't?
@KevyNova, I haven't had a chance to go through the rest of your videoyet, I stopped 40 seconds in when it was clear that some "facts" were being left out - so I'm not sure yet about the rest of the songs. BTW, Page never said he wrote Babe I'm Gonna Leave you. It was originally credited as a Traditional song ARRANGED by Page, that is not the same as stating he wrote it.
@Nafstejyn Well then you really should read the rest of the video. I DO say that original pressings of their first album had it listed as "Traditional" but then a couple of years later it was changed to "words and music by Jimmy Page." Fact.
@Nafstejyn By they way, I know you think that I have some silly vendetta against Led Zeppelin but that is not true. I love most of their music, own all their CD's and DVD's and crank up the radio in my car whenever they come on. But I also think the original artists should have gotten their due credit for these songs. It doesn't matter how much you or I love them as a band, they are still liars about a lot of things.
@KevyNova - It's all good, I respect your right to have your own opinion about this. For me, listening to such a variety of music over the last 4 decades, hearing Zeppelin be the poster child for this just gets old. There are so many artists out there that took bits and pieces of other's works, rearranged it and called it their own. It is so common in the music industry. Bottom line - Jimmy Page is one of the most influential guitarists in rock history, and that my friend is a fact. Peace.
@Nafstejyn I agree with you about Page, he was one of my biggest influences as a teenager. As I said, I still love their albums, I just wish they had been honest about the whole thing. Most bands of the time (Hendrix, Cream, Beck, Who, etc...) were happy to credit their heroes when covering them. Zep gets singled out because they did this more than any other band I can think of. Their reasons were monetary but I think it shows a huge lack of respect to their heroes. Peace to you too.
i agree with everything you said , but when u said jake holmes opened up for them and page lied and said he never heard him before or seen him , what an asswhole !
@horseloveridge Haha, Yeah that's what I get for believing in the "Fair Use Doctrine!"
The dumbest thing is that I used short clips of the songs and encouraged people to download the full songs from itunes. I was giving them FREE advertising!!! I guess the lawyers at WMA don't want my help but I'm sure that the artists probably would have appreciated the exposure I was trying to give them.
I have read everything you have posted KevyNova and, whilst I'm sure you are right regardeing some singings, I'm also sure you are being a mightier than thou cunt in others. I enjoy Led Zep's music and I feel that you think I shouldn't. Well quite frankly fuck you.
@ham1991 I'm sorry you feel that way. As far as this video is concerned, I'm only interested in concrete facts. I don't think that I am better than anybody else but if someone posts incorrect or untrue facts here, I will point it out.
I have no problem whatsoever with you or anyone else enjoying Zep's music. In fact, I enjoy most of their stuff quite a bit myself.
thanks man... i was-am(?) a big zep fan... sure they were great musicians,etc,etc but this is very dissapointing that attitude... obviously they had to be sued but i also think they also made a big crime...and i think its bigger than not paying the royalties to the song makers... its lying to the whole world...fans...etc.. and giving a very bad example at the same time....and making that thing once and once again !!!!! laws dont care about that... but they should
15 songs out of 72 studio songs were considered ripped.
Doesn't include that the band was a fully ripping band, but still at the least they plagiarized. Doesn't mean I'll won't like them anymore. I'll still love all of their songs! They're my idols, they rock live. Stairway To Heaven is a very original songs, just 5 starting chords are played in the same order. But it's obvious he plagiarized since Led Zeppelin toured with Spirit for 1 year.
The title "I'm Confused" comes from a live Yardbirds album and it was a misprint. Holmes never called it by that name. You should be sure to look things up before telling somebody they are wrong.
Regardless of what the song was called, it's still stolen.
Thank you for posting this. I have known about their copyright infringement and lawsuits since I was a sophomore in college, but you are right, their version and the originals kick ass, but people should know that they didn't write most of their hits, even though they took credit. I think their musicianship stands for itself, but it also should be know that they drew from many wells.
Eh honestly, I already had them about on par with The Who-They sound alright, but of bands from that era I'd rather listen to the Dead or Big Brother anyway, the Who and Zep sound cool but the raw soul-bearing I love isn't there.
Lost a lot of respect for them with this schlock, though-no matter how many people steal, it isn't right. And stealing verbatim lyrics isn't paying homage or any of that other shit. There's a difference between being a fan and blindly following, folks.
It's the blues, they've been trading songs since there have been blues it's not stealing. Also they give credit to some of the artists on the vinyl. I've got nothing but love for zeppelin. You can't seriously listen to them and say they have no originality lol
First of all, I never said that they had no originality. Zep had tons of great original songs. Heck, Houses Of The Holy is still one of my favorite albums. My point in this video is that when it came to giving other artists credit (and royalties) for songs that they covered, Zep were very gready and dishonest.
As for your other point, five of these songs are not blues songs. ;-)
I agree then. lol But Yeah they have few not blues song, just in general they're "bluesy". I suppose the title of the video came across as totally ragging on zepp. At least your educated enough to know about them before making an opinion. Too bad your videos broke :/
@IrishWarCry11 ...But you have to agree that in this age of "intellectual property", they should have given some credit to the originators, don't you? It's not like they were sitting at a juke joint, drinking with unknown people and going to the next town to play they riffs they happened to hear. These were recorded and established songs that could be checked or at least discovered with minimal research
actually Page took from Spirit. Spirit took from Davy Graham.
Plagiarism: When not giving credit to the author/artist from where you're taking information (music) from.
But still Deep Purple plagiarized too. what's so hard for giving credit would anything be wrong. They had a lot of originality, a lot freakin' of it and it influenced so many people. But it is Robert who was the most "influenced" lyrically. Jimmy stole in the beginning after 2 court trials he stopped ripping but that Robert!
Hmmm... So Page did knew Davy. I thought White Summer was original. so 16 songs out of 72 songs were ripped. Although White Summer had Black Mountain Side in it which was rip from Black Water Die. But mostly Plant was the ripper. But Page had White Summer not in his latter days, but he still played it!
Check out /watch?v=SwVsLcawHwQ to see where White Summer came from. I've heard so many people cite White Summer as proof of Page's genius but it's almost a note for note rip.
Also, I'm not counting but it depends on who you ask as to the number of songs they stole. Some place it much higher, some lower.
at least Page can improv on White Summer very originally, but STILL! It has been plagiarized... But still gotta love led zep!
Also I don't see people connecting Trampled Under Foot and Doobie Brother's Long Train Running connection. They say the riff is ripped off... But no? lol
Very similar? Really? I just don't think that JPJ would have ripped off from DB. Especially JPJ who always wrote with originality. But seriously they don't sound alike to my ears. BIG TIME...
Thanks for making this video. I just wish I could have seen it before WMA got rid of the sound. I like Led Zeppelin, but I don't like how people put them on a pedestal when they stole songs. If there are 2 bands/artists that I have a problem with are Led Zeppelin and Elvis. Though I don't know to what extent Elvis stole songs, or if he stole songs at all.
They took samples and rearranged and reworked them into music that was good enough for YOU and millions of others to crank up louder every time you hear it!! So what is your point? All of todays "wannabe" musicians a.k.a. rappers, do the same thing but it always sounds like dogshit.
a metric buttfuck ton of blues musicians take riffs from eachother. and look at reggae, those guys sample each other so much its almost all interchangable.
there is absolutely no reason to pick on zeppelin for doing it when, in fact, there ARE millions of people copying eachother all of the time.
If it's any consolation to you, when I was 10 yrs. of age, I went to the upstairs of Montgomery Ward and I stole a 8 Track copy of "In Through The Out Door" by putting 1 arm through 1 hole & the other arm through another hole. Inside I took off the plastic wrapper & the cardboard sleeve. Then I pulled it through a hole with both hands as it scraped it's way out
Interesting, they would make the holes in the glass precisely the same diameter as the width of a 8 track tape
Within a courtroom this does become a matter in which at some point someone had to make the subjective determination regarding where exactly should the line be drawn. It could have been determined that if 2 consecutive words from an original are found in another song, it's plagiarism!
Of course, that would have been quite unreasonable. On the "flip side" (no pun intended...psych!) it could have been determined that it requires an exact replica from the top to coda, for it to be plagiarism
Again, unreasonable! But this shows that whatever the parameters may be, they're the opinions of particular men & could have easily been slightly different. Art is by nature, a personal experience of it's creators. Thus, subjective & therein lays the difficulty in discerning these matters
Personally, I think a work should be viewed in it's entirety, it's whole form. Thus, although a Zepp song may be infused with some of the lyrics from Albert King's "The Hunter" still, "How Many More Times" had
never been heard prior to Zepp. I very much enjoy both songs & listening to either one of them will not satisfy the desire to hear the other. Due to the fact that they're entirely different songs. The same goes for "Killing Floor" & "The Lemon Song" etc.
BTW, does anyone know of a "Killing Floor" cover by Blue Cafe or something like that is their name. "Killer" cover... heard it once but I couldn't find it anywhere. But I found a million other covers of that song
Much to the chagrin of KevyNova, jazz musicians and blues musicians believe that imitation is the highest form of flattery. In any case, musicians go by what they hear. It is obvious that Jimmy page was a great blues guitarist before Led Zeppelin was formed. Becoming a great musician implies that you studied with some of the greats.
From one dick to another, I share the same opinions and can only express the hope of a general population that is not educated by the radio or television.
Very rarely did anyone ever improve on an original song but some exceptions are van halen, manfredmann. But in this instance, zeppelin completely smoked every song they covered /stole. Those songs they "properly rewrote" are now timelss classics compared to what they were before..primitive, rock bottom,emotionless, unlistenable shit. Jimmy Plage is a fucking thief no doubt but the greatest songs Zepp ever wrote were all their own baby..yeah!!
Spirit ripped Taurus from Cry Me A River by Davy Graham!
Jimmy knew both of these songs...
He ripped the bass line rhythm of the 5 similar chords from the songs one another.
5 chords out of the whole song, no offense, but I would understand why not crediting someone because of 5 chords being played in the same order, but just because of other songs and more than this video said that were plagiarized, it changed my mind...
Jimmy never denied seeing or hearing other songs... He just never said anything and never gave credit. It is Robert who is the biggest plagiarizer of the band, from the majority of plagiarized songs, it was the lyrics that were ripped. Like In My Time Of Dying, instrumentally it's all original, but lyrically, no.
Deep Purple ripped Black Night and Child In Time and never gave credit too... Tsk tsk! They should have gave credit, nothing bad would have happened! Nothing!
If you watch the LZ film "Song Remains the Same", you will see their manager, Peter Grant, going ballistic over unauthorized sale of posters and t-shirts. His band did not pay royalties to dozens of artists for their songs. Yet, he rails on about unauthorized sales of merchandise bearing Zeppelin's name. Just shows what a hypocritical, gold-digging, disingenuous bastard he was.
Dazed and Confused, Communication Breakdown, Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, Immigrant Song, Since I've Been Loving You, Black Dog, Rock N Roll, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Kashmir, Over the Hills And Far Away.
Black Dog? Heartbreaker? Immigrant Song? Black Dog? Rock And Roll? Kashmir? Over The Hills and Far Away? All these songs had nothing plagiarized! while the others had some parts plagiarized... Or were you just saying random Led Zeppelin songs?
I know, isn't that great? OK they copied like a verse of something, the chord porgression of some other thing, but with that they created masterpieces. I mean, the same people that think Zeppelin are copycats must think Daft Punk are not genius, but copycats.
Well they should have still gave credit for the little things they stole...
Sure playing ripped licks is not bad, it's normal! Because it has been played for so many times it is almost in every guitar solo, but still copying lyrics more than one verse, something's wrong with that...
k this is a totally interesting video because led zeppelin is my all time favorite band but just because your original audio track got taken away doesnt mean you have to use basically the shittiest song ever as the replacement i mean wtf is that exactly?
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@Mikespyke so you think stealing song credit is justifiable if the song was covered good???? Idk about you but its not cool imo. Its disgraceful. Im a guitarist and i would take it really seriously if someone stole one of my songs and said it was theirs. Go do some random abstract art and show it to everyone and if someone steals the exact picture or a copy and does the painting and they make millions off of it dont get mad and consider yourself robbed. And if you do then consider led zep wrong
you're talking about a time period where MUSIC was PEACE. everybody was taking songs and making their own version of it, the contracts and all that stuff wasnt as stressed as now. Especially if it was a blues song. There are COUNTLESS #s of version of the song Baby Please Dont Go, look it up. How about Heard It Through the Grapevine? LedZeppelin was doing a lot of covers, and back then it was considered a homeage, or showing wher your influences are, LZ didnt make music 4 money, th media hated T
I understand where youre coming from. And its pretty cool to make your own version of a cover and what not. IMO thats how great covers are made. But its about the credit bro. Its one thing to say "Ok this next song is a cover of a jimi hendrix tune called purple haze, i put my own twist on it so i hope you guys like it" and its another thing to say " Ok this next song is something i wrote called purple haze"
And it doesnt matter if they didnt make music for money. It matters that they made money off of that music. Unless they payed back the musicians they stole credit from then it might be looked past by. This is the way i look at it. If you take a song you did not write and call it your own then its stealing. Now if led zeppelin apologized and said ok we did not write the song or if they fixed it then thats cool. But there is a point in time where they did not fix it im assuming and thats theft.
two more Bron-y-aur stomp stolen from Bert Jansch and Gallows Pole from Robert Johnson...list goes on...i still like zeppelin...but not as original as people think
Second, don't bring up the Black Mountainside/Black Waterside similarities with no credit given, IT'S A TRADITIONAL PIECE PEOPLE, no songwriting credit need be given, everyone puts their own twis on songs.
and THIRDLY, you ARE a dick, now try getting some balls to go with it.
" "They were just paying tribute to their heroes."
Aww, how sweet. They should have paid the royalties too then. And I don't see how it's a "tribute" when you aren't giving them credit for writing the songs."
First off, you're a dumb fuck. To second the first, Zeppelin DID give credit to the original composers/writers. Stop playing it up that they never did.
totally blown out of proportion, so what they didnt give credit, its traditional of blues AND of music that far back that giving vredit wasnt like it is today. not to mention the songs they wrote ENTIRELY of theur own imagination outweigh those with some nicked stuff about 10 to 1. and what band doesnt base stuff off other musicians. the only crime led zeppelin can be held accountable for is for not giving credit, cause loads of other bands do/did what they did and just gave credit
Not blown out of proportion. Zeppelin are the worst perpetrators of song theft in the history of rock music. It is not a widely known fact because it came to light years after they made it big, by which time their status had already been established. People who try to bring it up are accused by Zeppelin groupies like yourself for "sour grapes". The evidence is there, all you have to do is listen.
@fluxmuldar yeah well, its doesnt matter what you say ive seen the evidence and its totally out of proportion, not to mention the millions of other fans that kow about this and have made their own minds that people who think their thiefs are just sour or r-tarded. btw wheres my evidence of nicking for the rain song, kashmir, rock and roll, black dog, oh yeah i forgot, youve conviniently not mentioned them to support your falwed argument led zeppelin: most creative explosive rock band in history
lmao, page groupie, yeah i dont agree with you so im a led zepelin junkie, good argument there. everyone else isnt listenting to you lol, your a jumped up idiot that wacks off over band hating
Dude I love zep, but you must admit the similarities are striking and when you cover someones song you must give credit. It has been that way since before and after them. I still love em' but this was a shitty thing they did.
@kristopher081 totally agree with you, but the people on here are so biased it beggaars beleif, i said one comment about how its blown out of proportion, yeah they were wrong, are wrong perhaps, and did by law plaegerise, but it definitely DEFINTELY is blown more out of proportion then people say. everyone on this video is like. an anti-zepplein matyr, the only joy i get out of it is realising that led zep is the worlds best rock band, and these cocks arent going to convince millions otherwise
Bottom line: Led Zeppelin plagarized. Not once, but multiple times. You're a fan.. fine. But if you weren't, would you be standing up for them? It's a despicable thing to do, regardless of who does it. Realize that a huge chunk of their legacy was built on people thinking that they are great songwriters. Realize that they have earned millions of dollars from their plagarized songs, money that the original authors will never see.
@darkchylde84 so true, but theres an argument to suggest that if led zeppelin made these plagarised songs so popular, they shouldnt be made to make money for someone else who wrote the ORIGINAL but "SHITTER" version, they made them songs what they are,they were totally wrong not to give credit, nobody in their right mind argues otherwise, your all right, but theres a massive MASSIVE counter argument to what your all saying. and 2/3 at least of theiur songs are home grown.
KevyNova good job on the video man i didnt even realise they ripped off so much, i think its a shame that they are fans of blues and dont give credit to the original artists
so why did they get sued if they were just renditions, cream did renditions of songs take outside woman credited to the original aritist arrg by clapton, simple as that
al these mentioned songs are the less succesfull of led zep so whoever created them should be thankfull that led zep record them led zep fame can survived without them this video is crap
who cares? song writing is only part of being a great band you cant deny that individually and collectively they weren't one of the most talented bands of all time
Kobeownzu81 1 year ago
alot of those song were writen by the yardbirds which is led zeppelin since jimmy page was originally part of that band areo smith took train kept a rollin which was writen by yard bird which is led zeppelin with a different name
shannyshanny123 1 year ago
@shannyshanny123 Sorry, but NONE of these songs were written by the Yardbirds. Read the video.
Even still, Page joined the Yardbirds at the tail end of their career. Their sound had already been defined by Clapton and (even more so) Beck. Page only played on their last album, which was a commercial failure and had no major hits.
KevyNova 1 year ago
alot of Zepplins stuff was just improvised around blues scales,a very basic and very often used scales, and therefore it is unsuprising that they are similar to, or identical to some other songs
therealmanchannel 1 year ago
@therealmanchannel What about Black Mountain Side and White Summer? Those are anything but simple blues scales yet Page nicked them note for note. Coincidence? Accident?
KevyNova 1 year ago
Led Zeppelin are one of my favourite bands, always will be, but it is plain as day that Jimmy Page is a dishonest man when it comes to crediting other songwriters he basically stole entire songs off. The most shameful example is White Summer aka She Moves Thru' The Bazaar which is an incredibly original and complex guitar tune by Davey Graham that Page just took wholesale and renamed. It's a shame, as he also wrote many brilliant tracks himself, so why he had to steal I don't know.
banapaulo 1 year ago
WTF??? All Led Zeppelin Ripp Off clips have been removed from YouTube. What a fucking censorship. Fuck this!!!
Biffmalibunor 1 year ago
@Biffmalibunor Yeah, it's funny how if you upload a video saying how great Zeppelin is, they don't mind if you use their music but the minute you point out that they stole songs, your video gets pulled for "copyright infringement." How ironic...
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova It's just silly, because most people know that Led Zeppelin ripped off many songs, so why try to hide it? Give the origanals some credit!!
Biffmalibunor 1 year ago
you know when i found out about this...i was shocked, cause it is pretty interesting. The mysticism was always fascinating about led zeppelin, there was always something meaningful...something more within their music. I mean come on, a mere photograph of them can capture mesmerizing attention...let alone their music. My point is..like Picasso said "Good artist borrow, Great Artist Steal!!" (or something like that) i don't care if they stoled my money...Led zeppelin will forever be amazing.
HardAsARock222 1 year ago
what's the point of this? who cares? shut up and listen to their music, it's out of your hands. why do you care anyway? its not like zep ripped off any of your songs. fight your own battles and let the artists who were actually effected fight their own.
Jim5H 1 year ago
@Jim5H I'm not fighting any battles any more than you are by defending them. I'm just pointing out some interesting facts, get over it.
KevyNova 1 year ago
they didnt plagarize them,they jammed them out and made them better
nintendoor1 1 year ago
f off
gelardi19 1 year ago
@gelardi19
KevyNova 1 year ago
On another note, Led Zeppelin kicks ass. Also I loved the music that was in this video. I'm just pretending it had nothing to do with all the stuff we already knew about Led Zeppelin. My furnace repairman told me all of this when I was 11, I told him that I didn't care because they made the hair on my arms and neck stand up so they must have done good enough. Years later I still feel the same way. It doesn't really matter to me.
Zeppelinfancb 1 year ago
what mozart tune is this again?
zzzzzz69 1 year ago
they were greedy snobs for not crediting their sources BUT some people think and want this to mean so much more than it really does.if they gave credit to begin with they wouldnt be looked at any different their influence would still be what it is.they still wrote some of the best rock songs ever kasmir,black dog,heartbreaker,immig song,10 years gone,the rover,good times,what is and what,going to cali,in the light ,rain song ,no quarter,achilles.thats a best of album better than most right there
MrILoveDDs 1 year ago 6
The Who didnt rip anyone off.....
riegelracing 1 year ago
you can't argue with this, you can simply say the songs that the members of Led Zeppelin actually did write were hits as well. Though I must say it is a shame to hear of this shamble, but that is life, I don't see why Led Zeppelin didn't just give the credit to the people who wrote those songs. The songs that they stole lyrics from, they completely re-wrote the music portion.
boomonchuu 1 year ago
Oh...the irony of posting.
vincevega0 1 year ago
I never knew this... im glad you arent doing a second part because i would be sick of talking about it too
tridents456 1 year ago
Enough Led Zeppelin bashing! No one stole/borrowed more than Eric Clapton/Cream & The Rolling Stones! Jimi Hendrix, CCR, Canned Heat, Ten Years After, The Who, The Yardbirds, The Beatles & countless others have all borrowed. All Led Zeppelin's greatest music is original(Achilles Last Stand, Tea For One, Trampled Underfoot, The Song Remains The Same, For Your Life, Immigrant Song, The Rain Song, The Ocean, The Rover, Sick Again, Ten Years Gone & much, much more!) Get educated people!
amstell13 1 year ago 6
led zeppelin is not repetitive, songs like battle of evermore and good times bad times sound nothing alike
aic81595 1 year ago
i pooped in my own hand today
MrSistermaryelephant 1 year ago
this is true. led zeppelin was the worst at this. the rolling stones, the beatles, they all did it. it was a lot of british rock bands that stole sounds from american (typically black) blues writers.
kradim 1 year ago 2
well, jimi hendrix covered all along the watchtower, dylan admitted he made it his own. now go and tell bob dylan you can't make a song your own. I also already listend to some of the songs metioned and they suck.
AlandBeachboys 1 year ago
@AlandBeachboys Yes, but the difference is that as much as Hendrix changed the song, he still gave songwriting credit to Dylan. Zeppelin denied the original writers both recognition -and- royalties, two things that they certainly could have used at the time. It doesn't matter whose version you like better.
To answer your question on my channel, most of Zep's songs were originals and good ones at that. They were just greedy when it came to giving credit on their covers.
KevyNova 1 year ago 5
@KevyNova it was a nice illusion that one band can create so many good songs. But at least they made them to that what we know today, and not unjustified. Because they are awesome
AlandBeachboys 1 year ago
@KevyNova They didn't deny
polerbear1000 1 year ago
@polerbear1000 Are you kidding? Just putting their own names on the album credits is denying that someone else wrote the songs, but there are lots of Page interviews out there where he denies ever hearing Jake Holmes, or won't talk about Bert Jansch's version of Black Waterside, or he just blames Robert for the theft, even though the music was stolen just as much. Do some research.
KevyNova 1 year ago
People, do not attack this man! what he is saying is true! seek the truth, and it will set you free.
WhoCaresJay 1 year ago
Anne Bredon's version is the one Joan Baez performed (at least the recording I heard), it sounds NOTHING AT ALL like the Led Zeppelin version. The words are similar, but the music is completely different in the song I heard, by Joan Baez.
mussman717word 1 year ago
To be fair, the intro and coda "Bring It On Home" was an obvious nod to Willie Dixon, an admitted big influence on their music. The band knew this and it wasn't meant as plagiarism. Also, Led Zeppelin did write everything about "In My Time of Dying" aside from the words. It's a completely new song than Dylan's and previous versions.
As far as "Boogie with Stu" is concerned, they gave credit where credit was due. The actual artist was dead. Kudos on the "Song Remains the Same" joke, haha.
mussman717word 1 year ago
I'm not defending Pagey, but one must take into consideration, his memory was probably a bit hazy, you know why, haha.
mussman717word 1 year ago
Interesting stuff indeed, enjoyed it...especially love the Mozart! But I would like to make one correction or addition when you mention that Yardbirds singer Keith Relf "rewrote" the lyrics to Jakes Dazed and Confused. Actually, the Yardbirds used the original words by Jake, you can check out my rare Yardbirds BBC recording of this on YT. Keith use the original words but YES also added his own to them. So to say he "rewrote" them is kinda misleading. Now with Zep,yes.. they were rewrote = )
Yardbird68 1 year ago 4
"I think im Nr.14:
As a LZ fan, i already knew this ( yeah, i know, nr. 10, but i just believe that every fresh LZ fan gets to know this sooner or later ) but unfortunatelly this will not stop me from listening to their songs (own or borrowed) and if somebody faces me with those facts im not gonna deny them, just will dare to ask for the point of blaming :) and will hope for gettin some SENSIBLE reason :)"
addiepray89 1 year ago
I think im Nr.14:
As a LZ fan, i already knew this ( yeah, i know, nr. 10, but i just believe that every fresh LZ fan gets to know this sooner or later ) but unfortunatelly this will not stop me from listening to their songs (own or borrowed) and if somebody faces me with those facts im not gonna deny them, just will dare to ask for the point of blaming :) and will hope for gettin some SENSIBLE reason :)
addiepray89 1 year ago
Great video!!!
Grandma mary
Fr3derick 1 year ago
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totalmassretain 1 year ago
@totalmassretain
Or... you could go fuck off.
mussman717word 1 year ago
I guess some people are just too dumb to figure out a pretty obvious joke...
totalmassretain 1 year ago
Wow, same thing happens nowadays, except it's called sampling and people are totally fine with it. Give it up.
VulpinFoxyFinnland 1 year ago
Wow, I never knew this
rubiconsedge 1 year ago
How do we know for sure it was Led Zeppelin not wanting to give credit instead of their manager Peter Grant, or their label. They may have had to bend to Atlantic and those people because "The young folk don't need to know" or them thinking they could get them away with it. I'm not ruling out the band though because who knows, I wasn't there and you sure as hell weren't with them when they recorded and printed the album sleeves. But I agree that credit is due where it is due.
TheBob777 1 year ago
@TheBob777 I would love to think that was the case but it isn't very likely for a couple of reasons:
1. Grant and Atlantic had nothing to gain by it, only the people whose names are on the songs benefit from it.
2. There was no rampant cases of plagiarism for other acts signed to Atlantic or represented by Grant.
Ultimately, it is the artist's responsibility alone to make sure that all songs are properly credited. Page had been in the business long enough to know how things worked.
KevyNova 1 year ago
GET A LIFE!
The songs nor the albums say "all words and music by", they changed all of those songs with their own twist and made them better. If they were good songs then they would have been hits from the original artists.
banditboy6666 1 year ago
@banditboy6666 Everything I put in the video is factually accurate, feel free to look it all up for yourself.
You seriously think that all good songs become hits? You should get out more. There is a TON of great undiscovered music out there. If you think that popularity is a gauge of greatness, then you must think that the Jonas Brothers are musical geniuses!
Oh, and I do have a very nice life, thank you.
KevyNova 1 year ago
I know what you mean, but to say "Whole Lotta Love is Willie Dixon's You Need Love" isn't exactly fair, considering it's all original riffs and solos etc apart from the lyrics. Granted, using other people's lyrics/music without crediting them isn't fair either, but it's a bit misleading just to say that entire thing is a rip off. Similar story with the others you mentioned. And anway, Robert Johnson didn't originally write the squeeze my lemon lyric, so is he just as guilty?
banditboy6666 1 year ago
@banditboy6666 I never said that the entire song was a ripoff, only the lyrics and style in which Plant sang it is an exact copy of Steve Marriott. If they had given Dixon a partial credit, that would have been fine. You can add all the solos and riffs to a song that you want, but it's still someone else's song and you need to give them at least partial credit.
KevyNova 1 year ago 2
@banditboy6666 the riff is very similar
bridgfordbill 1 year ago
CrimsonSteel 1 year ago
@CrimsonSteel lmfao you are calling a bunch of studio musicians sloppy? are you stupid. also, of course grateful dead live is better, they were THE jam band, and always will be.
omfgwhale 1 year ago
@omfgwhale
Live, they WERE sloppy. Even their studio material has awkward sounding riffs. The transitions of some songs are shoe-horned in, a sloppy recording tactic. Repetitive song structures, a lazy writing tactic
They have great songs, and influenced tons. SO DID ALL OF THEIR PUPILS.. LZ ARE good, just not as good as their fanatics like to think. Most classic rock (Purple,Sabbath,CCR,theWho,Beatles,Floyd) had better musicianship, song-writing, lyrics, solos, riffs, singers, and musicians.
CrimsonSteel 1 year ago
@Crimson Steel. I am afraid that you sir are VERY wrong. so are you saying that if they are ALLEGIDLY stealing music from somebody they are sloppy? It is not like they stole every one of their songs from them. They are still great musicians. They have wicked solos, great lyrics and unblevieable rythem and melodies. Just becuz they mite have copied a few songs does not make them sloppy at all
superslushy113 1 year ago
@superslushy113
The main reason I'm calling Zep sloppy is their live performances. However, it IS sloppy to steal music and be unable to change it enough to sound entirely original. Also, composing the majority of your songs off of ONE RIFF and not throwing in anything besides a solo to change the song up, is very LAZY when its as repetitive as Zeppelin are.
They're over-indulgent, repetitive, and lack musical dynamics. The majority of their peers are more skilled. Most overrated band ever
CrimsonSteel 1 year ago
@CrimsonSteel First off, most songs are supposed to be repetative. You arent going to completely change the song from verse to verse. you need to keep it uniform so it DOESNT sound sloppy.
superslushy113 1 year ago
@CrimsonSteel For their live perfomances, of course they play it sloppy. LZ played for three hour concerts. Have you ever played for three hours? its very straining and the mind and body. They arent going to be able to match EXACTLY what they did in the studio. and wat about viva la vida? wasnt that stolen? and didnt it still sound very clean? just because it MIGHT be copied, doesnt mean it is sloppy.
superslushy113 1 year ago
@CrimsonSteel They do not lack musical dynamics OR repetativeness. Just listen to stairway. It completely changes dyanamics three or four times not including the solo or ending. is that sloppy?
superslushy113 1 year ago
The songs were on Led Zeppelin 1 & 2 albums. I don't know a whole lot about the recording industry in the 60's, but certain things have probably remained similar to today. Did Zeppelin even have total control/creative freedom of the album? Rare for a bands 1st album. If that is the case, they aren't to blame. The record label would be. Also, if the material was copyrighted, the label would have to either give credit, OR buy the "rights" for the song. "Somebody" got paid for their use.
gjc82071 1 year ago
but when Page was hired to record for guys in the studio to play the rifffs that they found to be too hard it was ok, but when they decide to take someones lousy riff and enhance it it was'nt, seems like you guys want it both ways.
gsolayman 1 year ago
@gsolayman That's ridiculous. Should the members of the London Symphony Orchestra get composition credits for the Star Wars score instead of John Williams? Of course not! Page was a great session musician but that has NOTHING to do with what this video is about.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova wasn't randy rhoads doing something similar to this but with classic guitar and changing it into metal
allmanmoen 1 year ago
@allmanmoen I know that Rhodes had a huge classical influence but I honestly never listened to enough of his stuff to know.
KevyNova 1 year ago
lol, I kinda hate led zeppelin too, but most real blues fans have a vandetta against zeppelin because of their OBVIOUS plaigerism. Cheers dude!
willwelsh816 1 year ago
Deep Purple Mark2 plagiarized too...
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
Well, at least the new song is good.
woopthegreat 1 year ago
if you really loved them then you wouldnt be calling them liars and stealers. tell me why the hell should they have given credit to people that have been dead or retired for 10+ years? also if you knew anything about the blues you would know that all blues artists use others lyrics and its not stealing...besides lz took the lyrics yes, but they changed the entire structure and style of the song and thus created an original piece of music
jmarshmellowman 1 year ago
@jmarshmellowman If you say that you wrote a song knowing that you didn't, that makes you a liar no matter who you are. Nearly all of these composers were still alive, active and mostly poor when Zep recorded their songs. Five of these songs are not blues songs. Read the video, they stole a lot more than just lyrics. Changing the style and structure of a song makes it a new arrangement, but not a different song.
KevyNova 1 year ago
regardless of the technicalities, do you agree that zepps versions are better? if no then you can complain, if yes than just listen to the music without talking shit about the band. thats what i care about, you call them liars and stealers but then still claim to be a fan. the fact that you took the time to make this video and then you still say you love them, im sorry dude but if someone did that about my band and then said they were my fan i would kick their ass
jmarshmellowman 1 year ago
@jmarshmellowman I prefer some (but not all) of Zep's versions of these songs but my opinion has absolutely no bearing on the facts of the matter. You say I am not a fan? I can play any song from their first five albums on guitar. Would I have spent all the time and effort to learn those songs if I hated the band? Heck, I even played Ten Years Gone (one of my favs) today! But just because I like them as a band, I am not going to pretend that what they did wasn't wrong and you shouldn't either.
KevyNova 1 year ago
jmarshmellowman: it doesnt matter if your dead or retired, whoever wrote the song should get credit. what if they stole a song you wrote and said they wrote it and they got the credit? what would you think? exactly!
IncensePeppermints68 1 year ago
i honestly would care less as long as they recreated my song faithfully/ or/ did it in a cool way. i would only be pissed if someone like one of the jonas brothers covered one of my songs
jmarshmellowman 1 year ago
i love Zeppelin, and i would be happy for them to cover my song. as long as i was recognized as a writer to though! Zepp is my favorite band.
IncensePeppermints68 1 year ago
@jmarshmellowman Even IF the writers of these songs were okay with Zep claiming them (they weren't, by the way) it doesn't make it right. Explain to me, if someone says that they wrote a song that they did not write, how is that NOT lying?
KevyNova 1 year ago
I represent the Mozart estate. Please cease and desist from using this composition without paying us 100 lira. :)
bama08n86 1 year ago
@bama08n86 You'll have to contact youtube about that. I chose this piece from a list of "public domain" recordings that they provided. ;-)
KevyNova 1 year ago
Just to satisfy the annoying child inside of me, I'm going to go with number 13 and say 'You're a dick'.
lol
Mytholgylove 1 year ago
@Mytholgylove Go ahead, that's what I put it there for. ;-)
But remember, I'm an *honest* dick.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova - Just started viewing this compilation and barely 40 seconds in, I'm wondering if you're "only interested in concrete facts," then you should refer to the FACT that Joan Baez album credited Babe I'm Gonna Leave you as a Traditional Number first, and Led Zeppelin, not knowing any better at the time simply did the same. Bredon received hefty BACK royalties beginning in 1990 and has gotten both credit and royalties ever since. Really, 20 years later, this is not even news anymore...
Nafstejyn 1 year ago
@Nafstejyn Yes, I heard that Baez had credited it as a traditional song after I made this video. That's still no excuse for Page to have ever said that he wrote it. (saying that you wrote a traditional song is still a lie)
What about all the other songs mentioned that they said they wrote when they knew very well that they didn't?
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova, I haven't had a chance to go through the rest of your videoyet, I stopped 40 seconds in when it was clear that some "facts" were being left out - so I'm not sure yet about the rest of the songs. BTW, Page never said he wrote Babe I'm Gonna Leave you. It was originally credited as a Traditional song ARRANGED by Page, that is not the same as stating he wrote it.
Nafstejyn 1 year ago
@Nafstejyn Well then you really should read the rest of the video. I DO say that original pressings of their first album had it listed as "Traditional" but then a couple of years later it was changed to "words and music by Jimmy Page." Fact.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@Nafstejyn By they way, I know you think that I have some silly vendetta against Led Zeppelin but that is not true. I love most of their music, own all their CD's and DVD's and crank up the radio in my car whenever they come on. But I also think the original artists should have gotten their due credit for these songs. It doesn't matter how much you or I love them as a band, they are still liars about a lot of things.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova - It's all good, I respect your right to have your own opinion about this. For me, listening to such a variety of music over the last 4 decades, hearing Zeppelin be the poster child for this just gets old. There are so many artists out there that took bits and pieces of other's works, rearranged it and called it their own. It is so common in the music industry. Bottom line - Jimmy Page is one of the most influential guitarists in rock history, and that my friend is a fact. Peace.
Nafstejyn 1 year ago
@Nafstejyn I agree with you about Page, he was one of my biggest influences as a teenager. As I said, I still love their albums, I just wish they had been honest about the whole thing. Most bands of the time (Hendrix, Cream, Beck, Who, etc...) were happy to credit their heroes when covering them. Zep gets singled out because they did this more than any other band I can think of. Their reasons were monetary but I think it shows a huge lack of respect to their heroes. Peace to you too.
KevyNova 1 year ago
i agree with everything you said , but when u said jake holmes opened up for them and page lied and said he never heard him before or seen him , what an asswhole !
mudspud01 1 year ago
@mudspud01 Wait, is Page the asshole or am I?
The interview was in an issue of Guitar Player magazine from about 1990 (I used to have that issue, man I'm old!).
You can find it by googling the words Jimmy Page Jake Holmes Interview.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova Correction:
It was MUSICIAN magazine.
KevyNova 1 year ago
Page for not telling the truth about Jake holmes Your fuckin awsome for telling everyone this !! im not old lol
mudspud01 1 year ago
#9 ? I don't think so! Making up your own copyright laws now?
horseloveridge 1 year ago
@horseloveridge Haha, Yeah that's what I get for believing in the "Fair Use Doctrine!"
The dumbest thing is that I used short clips of the songs and encouraged people to download the full songs from itunes. I was giving them FREE advertising!!! I guess the lawyers at WMA don't want my help but I'm sure that the artists probably would have appreciated the exposure I was trying to give them.
Live and Learn, I guess...
KevyNova 1 year ago
I have read everything you have posted KevyNova and, whilst I'm sure you are right regardeing some singings, I'm also sure you are being a mightier than thou cunt in others. I enjoy Led Zep's music and I feel that you think I shouldn't. Well quite frankly fuck you.
ham1991 1 year ago
@ham1991 I'm sorry you feel that way. As far as this video is concerned, I'm only interested in concrete facts. I don't think that I am better than anybody else but if someone posts incorrect or untrue facts here, I will point it out.
I have no problem whatsoever with you or anyone else enjoying Zep's music. In fact, I enjoy most of their stuff quite a bit myself.
Peace.
KevyNova 1 year ago
even this i would say its kinda scam or fraud...and that things take u to jail...
it may sound too much...but
white glove stealing is also stealing and also takes u to jail...
leddobrasil 1 year ago
leddobrasil 1 year ago
15 songs out of 72 studio songs were considered ripped.
Doesn't include that the band was a fully ripping band, but still at the least they plagiarized. Doesn't mean I'll won't like them anymore. I'll still love all of their songs! They're my idols, they rock live. Stairway To Heaven is a very original songs, just 5 starting chords are played in the same order. But it's obvious he plagiarized since Led Zeppelin toured with Spirit for 1 year.
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
Jack Holmes son was I'm Confused, get your facts right
banditboy6666 1 year ago
The title "I'm Confused" comes from a live Yardbirds album and it was a misprint. Holmes never called it by that name. You should be sure to look things up before telling somebody they are wrong.
Regardless of what the song was called, it's still stolen.
KevyNova 1 year ago
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fffdgf 2 years ago
Your heroes stole. Their legacy is a sham. Suck it up.
fluxmuldar 1 year ago 5
Thank you for posting this. I have known about their copyright infringement and lawsuits since I was a sophomore in college, but you are right, their version and the originals kick ass, but people should know that they didn't write most of their hits, even though they took credit. I think their musicianship stands for itself, but it also should be know that they drew from many wells.
ajames95 2 years ago
Eh honestly, I already had them about on par with The Who-They sound alright, but of bands from that era I'd rather listen to the Dead or Big Brother anyway, the Who and Zep sound cool but the raw soul-bearing I love isn't there.
Lost a lot of respect for them with this schlock, though-no matter how many people steal, it isn't right. And stealing verbatim lyrics isn't paying homage or any of that other shit. There's a difference between being a fan and blindly following, folks.
panicxitsxbrea 2 years ago
It's the blues, they've been trading songs since there have been blues it's not stealing. Also they give credit to some of the artists on the vinyl. I've got nothing but love for zeppelin. You can't seriously listen to them and say they have no originality lol
IrishWarCry11 2 years ago
@IrishWarCry11
First of all, I never said that they had no originality. Zep had tons of great original songs. Heck, Houses Of The Holy is still one of my favorite albums. My point in this video is that when it came to giving other artists credit (and royalties) for songs that they covered, Zep were very gready and dishonest.
As for your other point, five of these songs are not blues songs. ;-)
KevyNova 2 years ago
I agree then. lol But Yeah they have few not blues song, just in general they're "bluesy". I suppose the title of the video came across as totally ragging on zepp. At least your educated enough to know about them before making an opinion. Too bad your videos broke :/
IrishWarCry11 2 years ago
@IrishWarCry11 ...But you have to agree that in this age of "intellectual property", they should have given some credit to the originators, don't you? It's not like they were sitting at a juke joint, drinking with unknown people and going to the next town to play they riffs they happened to hear. These were recorded and established songs that could be checked or at least discovered with minimal research
ajames95 2 years ago
Page even took from Davey Graham
arjunkaul 1 year ago
actually Page took from Spirit. Spirit took from Davy Graham.
Plagiarism: When not giving credit to the author/artist from where you're taking information (music) from.
But still Deep Purple plagiarized too. what's so hard for giving credit would anything be wrong. They had a lot of originality, a lot freakin' of it and it influenced so many people. But it is Robert who was the most "influenced" lyrically. Jimmy stole in the beginning after 2 court trials he stopped ripping but that Robert!
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@LinkBulletBill Page's "White Summer" is a note-for-note rip of Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."
KevyNova 1 year ago
Hmmm... So Page did knew Davy. I thought White Summer was original. so 16 songs out of 72 songs were ripped. Although White Summer had Black Mountain Side in it which was rip from Black Water Die. But mostly Plant was the ripper. But Page had White Summer not in his latter days, but he still played it!
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@LinkBulletBill
Check out /watch?v=SwVsLcawHwQ to see where White Summer came from. I've heard so many people cite White Summer as proof of Page's genius but it's almost a note for note rip.
Also, I'm not counting but it depends on who you ask as to the number of songs they stole. Some place it much higher, some lower.
KevyNova 1 year ago
at least Page can improv on White Summer very originally, but STILL! It has been plagiarized... But still gotta love led zep!
Also I don't see people connecting Trampled Under Foot and Doobie Brother's Long Train Running connection. They say the riff is ripped off... But no? lol
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
@LinkBulletBill I've never heard that Doobie Bros. song, I'll have to look it up.
KevyNova 1 year ago
@KevyNova D'oh! Of course I know that DB song, I just never knew the title! And yes, they do sound very similar...
KevyNova 1 year ago
Crazy aint it. Thank God for youtube. :P
arjunkaul 1 year ago
Very similar? Really? I just don't think that JPJ would have ripped off from DB. Especially JPJ who always wrote with originality. But seriously they don't sound alike to my ears. BIG TIME...
LinkBulletBill 1 year ago
Thanks for making this video. I just wish I could have seen it before WMA got rid of the sound. I like Led Zeppelin, but I don't like how people put them on a pedestal when they stole songs. If there are 2 bands/artists that I have a problem with are Led Zeppelin and Elvis. Though I don't know to what extent Elvis stole songs, or if he stole songs at all.
gamegyro56 2 years ago
Don't you think you should find out what if anything Elvis "stole" before you have a problem with him?
mstork 1 year ago
MOST OVERRATED BAND OF ALL TIME
ajbguy03 2 years ago
I totally agree with KevyNova!
Hey my uncle got famous for stealing music but at least he admitted to it, if thats true of zep then Its news to me
1canyonguy 2 years ago
WARNERS SUX EGGS
Unclemoparman 2 years ago
They took samples and rearranged and reworked them into music that was good enough for YOU and millions of others to crank up louder every time you hear it!! So what is your point? All of todays "wannabe" musicians a.k.a. rappers, do the same thing but it always sounds like dogshit.
ZEPPELINFAN IS PISSED!!!
shomesomethin 2 years ago 2
uhh @ question 1.
a metric buttfuck ton of blues musicians take riffs from eachother. and look at reggae, those guys sample each other so much its almost all interchangable.
there is absolutely no reason to pick on zeppelin for doing it when, in fact, there ARE millions of people copying eachother all of the time.
Treadsoftly14 2 years ago 4
i wish i could here the original songs on this video. dont really fell like looking all of them up.
ozzilla45 2 years ago 2
If it's any consolation to you, when I was 10 yrs. of age, I went to the upstairs of Montgomery Ward and I stole a 8 Track copy of "In Through The Out Door" by putting 1 arm through 1 hole & the other arm through another hole. Inside I took off the plastic wrapper & the cardboard sleeve. Then I pulled it through a hole with both hands as it scraped it's way out
Interesting, they would make the holes in the glass precisely the same diameter as the width of a 8 track tape
But I bought the cd box
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
Within a courtroom this does become a matter in which at some point someone had to make the subjective determination regarding where exactly should the line be drawn. It could have been determined that if 2 consecutive words from an original are found in another song, it's plagiarism!
Of course, that would have been quite unreasonable. On the "flip side" (no pun intended...psych!) it could have been determined that it requires an exact replica from the top to coda, for it to be plagiarism
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago 2
Again, unreasonable! But this shows that whatever the parameters may be, they're the opinions of particular men & could have easily been slightly different. Art is by nature, a personal experience of it's creators. Thus, subjective & therein lays the difficulty in discerning these matters
Personally, I think a work should be viewed in it's entirety, it's whole form. Thus, although a Zepp song may be infused with some of the lyrics from Albert King's "The Hunter" still, "How Many More Times" had
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
never been heard prior to Zepp. I very much enjoy both songs & listening to either one of them will not satisfy the desire to hear the other. Due to the fact that they're entirely different songs. The same goes for "Killing Floor" & "The Lemon Song" etc.
BTW, does anyone know of a "Killing Floor" cover by Blue Cafe or something like that is their name. "Killer" cover... heard it once but I couldn't find it anywhere. But I found a million other covers of that song
Chuichupachichi 2 years ago
Much to the chagrin of KevyNova, jazz musicians and blues musicians believe that imitation is the highest form of flattery. In any case, musicians go by what they hear. It is obvious that Jimmy page was a great blues guitarist before Led Zeppelin was formed. Becoming a great musician implies that you studied with some of the greats.
From one dick to another, I share the same opinions and can only express the hope of a general population that is not educated by the radio or television.
ShadeAdrift 2 years ago
Very rarely did anyone ever improve on an original song but some exceptions are van halen, manfredmann. But in this instance, zeppelin completely smoked every song they covered /stole. Those songs they "properly rewrote" are now timelss classics compared to what they were before..primitive, rock bottom,emotionless, unlistenable shit. Jimmy Plage is a fucking thief no doubt but the greatest songs Zepp ever wrote were all their own baby..yeah!!
jimpy419 2 years ago 2
Spirit ripped Taurus from Cry Me A River by Davy Graham!
Jimmy knew both of these songs...
He ripped the bass line rhythm of the 5 similar chords from the songs one another.
5 chords out of the whole song, no offense, but I would understand why not crediting someone because of 5 chords being played in the same order, but just because of other songs and more than this video said that were plagiarized, it changed my mind...
I'm a fucking big Led Zeppelin fan! Fucking BIG!
LinkBulletBill 2 years ago
Jimmy never denied seeing or hearing other songs... He just never said anything and never gave credit. It is Robert who is the biggest plagiarizer of the band, from the majority of plagiarized songs, it was the lyrics that were ripped. Like In My Time Of Dying, instrumentally it's all original, but lyrically, no.
Deep Purple ripped Black Night and Child In Time and never gave credit too... Tsk tsk! They should have gave credit, nothing bad would have happened! Nothing!
LinkBulletBill 2 years ago
I knew Jimmy Page was a thief, but that last one took the cake. I had no idea.
AdsuMudi 2 years ago
Damn the scumbag WMA lawyers...I wanted to hear the originals! Great video..People need to know the truth!
LOUDsilence88 2 years ago 2
Brilliant :) loved it!!!
bandbaaja 2 years ago 2
If you watch the LZ film "Song Remains the Same", you will see their manager, Peter Grant, going ballistic over unauthorized sale of posters and t-shirts. His band did not pay royalties to dozens of artists for their songs. Yet, he rails on about unauthorized sales of merchandise bearing Zeppelin's name. Just shows what a hypocritical, gold-digging, disingenuous bastard he was.
sirsarkis 2 years ago 5
Dazed and Confused, Communication Breakdown, Whole Lotta Love, Heartbreaker, Immigrant Song, Since I've Been Loving You, Black Dog, Rock N Roll, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Kashmir, Over the Hills And Far Away.
nicosfi 2 years ago
@nicosfi
Black Dog? Heartbreaker? Immigrant Song? Black Dog? Rock And Roll? Kashmir? Over The Hills and Far Away? All these songs had nothing plagiarized! while the others had some parts plagiarized... Or were you just saying random Led Zeppelin songs?
LinkBulletBill 2 years ago
I was just pointing out how many rock classics Led Zeppelin made...
nicosfi 2 years ago
Well there's more than what you just mentioned...
LinkBulletBill 2 years ago
I know, isn't that great? OK they copied like a verse of something, the chord porgression of some other thing, but with that they created masterpieces. I mean, the same people that think Zeppelin are copycats must think Daft Punk are not genius, but copycats.
nicosfi 2 years ago
Well they should have still gave credit for the little things they stole...
Sure playing ripped licks is not bad, it's normal! Because it has been played for so many times it is almost in every guitar solo, but still copying lyrics more than one verse, something's wrong with that...
LinkBulletBill 2 years ago
k this is a totally interesting video because led zeppelin is my all time favorite band but just because your original audio track got taken away doesnt mean you have to use basically the shittiest song ever as the replacement i mean wtf is that exactly?
rawkenday 2 years ago
Wow, Jimmy and Plant are lying, stealing, cunts!
Thresholds 2 years ago
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Mikespyke 2 years ago
@Mikespyke so you think stealing song credit is justifiable if the song was covered good???? Idk about you but its not cool imo. Its disgraceful. Im a guitarist and i would take it really seriously if someone stole one of my songs and said it was theirs. Go do some random abstract art and show it to everyone and if someone steals the exact picture or a copy and does the painting and they make millions off of it dont get mad and consider yourself robbed. And if you do then consider led zep wrong
reaperofgenocide 2 years ago 4
you're talking about a time period where MUSIC was PEACE. everybody was taking songs and making their own version of it, the contracts and all that stuff wasnt as stressed as now. Especially if it was a blues song. There are COUNTLESS #s of version of the song Baby Please Dont Go, look it up. How about Heard It Through the Grapevine? LedZeppelin was doing a lot of covers, and back then it was considered a homeage, or showing wher your influences are, LZ didnt make music 4 money, th media hated T
Mikespyke 2 years ago
I understand where youre coming from. And its pretty cool to make your own version of a cover and what not. IMO thats how great covers are made. But its about the credit bro. Its one thing to say "Ok this next song is a cover of a jimi hendrix tune called purple haze, i put my own twist on it so i hope you guys like it" and its another thing to say " Ok this next song is something i wrote called purple haze"
reaperofgenocide 2 years ago 3
And it doesnt matter if they didnt make music for money. It matters that they made money off of that music. Unless they payed back the musicians they stole credit from then it might be looked past by. This is the way i look at it. If you take a song you did not write and call it your own then its stealing. Now if led zeppelin apologized and said ok we did not write the song or if they fixed it then thats cool. But there is a point in time where they did not fix it im assuming and thats theft.
reaperofgenocide 2 years ago 3
can you say nicked? the english have a rich history of stealing. the elgin marbles are a great example.
MISSEDHERSIR 2 years ago
two more Bron-y-aur stomp stolen from Bert Jansch and Gallows Pole from Robert Johnson...list goes on...i still like zeppelin...but not as original as people think
trippw10 2 years ago
Second, don't bring up the Black Mountainside/Black Waterside similarities with no credit given, IT'S A TRADITIONAL PIECE PEOPLE, no songwriting credit need be given, everyone puts their own twis on songs.
and THIRDLY, you ARE a dick, now try getting some balls to go with it.
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TeleTwanger1992 2 years ago
twist*
TeleTwanger1992 2 years ago
" "They were just paying tribute to their heroes."
Aww, how sweet. They should have paid the royalties too then. And I don't see how it's a "tribute" when you aren't giving them credit for writing the songs."
First off, you're a dumb fuck. To second the first, Zeppelin DID give credit to the original composers/writers. Stop playing it up that they never did.
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TeleTwanger1992 2 years ago
totally blown out of proportion, so what they didnt give credit, its traditional of blues AND of music that far back that giving vredit wasnt like it is today. not to mention the songs they wrote ENTIRELY of theur own imagination outweigh those with some nicked stuff about 10 to 1. and what band doesnt base stuff off other musicians. the only crime led zeppelin can be held accountable for is for not giving credit, cause loads of other bands do/did what they did and just gave credit
FRAFPDD 2 years ago
Not blown out of proportion. Zeppelin are the worst perpetrators of song theft in the history of rock music. It is not a widely known fact because it came to light years after they made it big, by which time their status had already been established. People who try to bring it up are accused by Zeppelin groupies like yourself for "sour grapes". The evidence is there, all you have to do is listen.
Song theft is a huge deal. Don't play it down.
fluxmuldar 2 years ago 4
@fluxmuldar yeah well, its doesnt matter what you say ive seen the evidence and its totally out of proportion, not to mention the millions of other fans that kow about this and have made their own minds that people who think their thiefs are just sour or r-tarded. btw wheres my evidence of nicking for the rain song, kashmir, rock and roll, black dog, oh yeah i forgot, youve conviniently not mentioned them to support your falwed argument led zeppelin: most creative explosive rock band in history
FRAFPDD 2 years ago
Well of course it doesn't matter.... I'm talking to a Jimmy Page groupie. I'm done with you.
For everyone else, search "perfect sound forever jimmy page" on google. All the evidence is right there, in great abundance.
fluxmuldar 2 years ago
lmao, page groupie, yeah i dont agree with you so im a led zepelin junkie, good argument there. everyone else isnt listenting to you lol, your a jumped up idiot that wacks off over band hating
FRAFPDD 2 years ago
Dude I love zep, but you must admit the similarities are striking and when you cover someones song you must give credit. It has been that way since before and after them. I still love em' but this was a shitty thing they did.
kristopher081 2 years ago 2
@kristopher081 totally agree with you, but the people on here are so biased it beggaars beleif, i said one comment about how its blown out of proportion, yeah they were wrong, are wrong perhaps, and did by law plaegerise, but it definitely DEFINTELY is blown more out of proportion then people say. everyone on this video is like. an anti-zepplein matyr, the only joy i get out of it is realising that led zep is the worlds best rock band, and these cocks arent going to convince millions otherwise
FRAFPDD 2 years ago
Bottom line: Led Zeppelin plagarized. Not once, but multiple times. You're a fan.. fine. But if you weren't, would you be standing up for them? It's a despicable thing to do, regardless of who does it. Realize that a huge chunk of their legacy was built on people thinking that they are great songwriters. Realize that they have earned millions of dollars from their plagarized songs, money that the original authors will never see.
darkchylde84 2 years ago 4
@darkchylde84 so true, but theres an argument to suggest that if led zeppelin made these plagarised songs so popular, they shouldnt be made to make money for someone else who wrote the ORIGINAL but "SHITTER" version, they made them songs what they are,they were totally wrong not to give credit, nobody in their right mind argues otherwise, your all right, but theres a massive MASSIVE counter argument to what your all saying. and 2/3 at least of theiur songs are home grown.
FRAFPDD 2 years ago
Led Zeppelin, the Carlos Mencia of Rock Music.
Chnamanjx 2 years ago 3
KevyNova good job on the video man i didnt even realise they ripped off so much, i think its a shame that they are fans of blues and dont give credit to the original artists
woodjoewood 2 years ago
they do... the songs were popular and they were making renditions of it, that was a widely known fact.
Psumescroat 2 years ago
so why did they get sued if they were just renditions, cream did renditions of songs take outside woman credited to the original aritist arrg by clapton, simple as that
woodjoewood 2 years ago
who sued them and i know it was widely known they did a rendition of bring it on home and jimmy page was in the yardbirds
Psumescroat 2 years ago
have you not wacthed this video? the yardbirds have nothing to do with it, were talking about led zep recording songs that they did not write
woodjoewood 2 years ago 2
al these mentioned songs are the less succesfull of led zep so whoever created them should be thankfull that led zep record them led zep fame can survived without them this video is crap
SuperAlexrios 2 years ago