Hey pplz! There are people here (like lil ol' me) who grew up with Papa singing November Rain to put them to sleep. We don't want to read that he was a douche who got cornrows and was an asshole who treated the band like shit and his only talent was his voice...on a good day...We like to remember him hot with straight hair and a bad ass attitude. Not lame cornrows and a douchebag attitude...
in my opinion, Izzy was the muse of/for the band, not to mention the unsung hero/genius of GnR...axl was and is still is the mouthpiece for Izzy's genius...also, note well that AFTER Izzy left, Guns never put out anything really "new" (excepting of course Chin Dem)...so, yes axl was and still is good, BUT DO NOT FORGET IZZY!!! He was a HUGE part of GnR.
to ALL of you praising axl...slow your role...yes, axl was an amazing frontman AND was indeed A centerpiece in the band, BUT!!!!!!!! much of guns early stuff (including ballads like don't cary and nov rain in addition to most of the stuff on Appetite, Live Like a Suicide, and Lies) in terms of music and lyrics were written and/or HEAVILY influenced by Izzy Stradlin...
I know Izzy influenced a lot of the music but I read Slash's book and November Rain was sololy Axl. It was such an eloborate and difficult peice of music to arrange. Still most of the songs were a collaboration of all the band members!
yesterday, today, tomorrow, axl rose is the best, he should be the ONLY one who should use the name guns n roses as it would never have been the phenom it is to this day without him & axl is who you would WANT to see at a guns n roses show, not the guitarist, & might I add, Axl is still so sexy!!!!!
Axl didn't get his ass kicked, Hilfiger threw one punch, which hit axl on the cheek. Axl would have retaliated but he is a gentlemen unlike Hilfiger, who got thrown out because he got in a mood, he was only told to move to a different seat so Axl and the rest of the band could sit down.
Well said m8! I saw the "New" Guns N' Roses twice live in 2006 and i thought Axl sounded better than he ever did! Thats just my opinion as i have only been a fan for almost 20 years!!!
He was a great guitarist, but really, people can cover his stuff easily. People don't notice change in guitarists as much as singers. Guns will always be Axl's band.
Axl wasn't nothin without Slash,Izzy, Duff, n Steven. Without Slash's killer solos, Izzy awesome rythm guitar, Duff's Badass bass. and Steven's Drugged out drumbeats. Axl was nothin and I think it's bullshit that axl still sings original GnR songs in 2008, When hes already annouced his shitty ass band with there gay ass single Better. Axle isnt even that good anymore he just seems like a piece of shit.
The whole band was made famous by all their contributions, yes. But I'm talking now. Playing old Gunz classics, people can cover the stuff, but you can't replace a singer. Just look at Queen. Freddie is gone and they don't try to replace him. The singer is always what people look at.
finally someone gets it. you understand. you can replace the lead guitarist or drummer but not the frontman. if people only cared about the AFD line-up they wouldnt have gone seen them during the UYI tour. The only original members then were Axl, Slash and Izzy(partially). Its undeniable that the older line-up were the best but then new band is still great.
Hold on now. GNR has always been Axl's vision? So Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven were what? Just lucky to be there? Don't get me wrong, back in the day (I say that because all the stuff I've seen of him recently is brutal) Axl had a great singing voice, but let's not forget how important the other members were and I think they've proven to be better musicians than Axl overall...I mean, look at the careers they've had since.
youre making no sense. axl still has a fabulous singing voice- if you havent seen his great performances during the 2006/7 tour then thats your problem, not axl's. check out the kroq inland invasion show, then talk.
as for the other guys proving to be "better" musicians than axl, theyre stuck in one confining style while axl is exploring different styles of music with great creativity. why all the hostility towards axl?
a couple of shows? axl did 80 dates in his 2006 tour. try keeping up with the facts.
duff, izzy, slash etc are doing their thing but it has not been as broad ranging and experimental as what axl's been upto. those are the facts. Chinese Democracy offers everything from orchestral pieces to sizzling guitars to a flamenco flavor to hip hop loops. the album has sold 1.7 million copies in 7 weeks - that's no "joke". the album' received lot more positive reviews than negative ones.
I did not say he only played a couple of shows, I said a couple of good shows (meaning out of the whole tour) doesn't make him as good as he was. Also, experimenting is fine, but it doesn't mean that it's good music man.
The fact is Axl has had nowhere near the success that the other members (Steven Adler excluded) have had since the band broke up in the 90's. Chinese Democracy is OK, it's a rock album, not a Guns 'n' Roses album, enough said.
again, i dont know how youre coming up with the conclusion that only 2 shows out of the 80in 2006 were good. quite a few were very good.
as for him not being "as good" as he used to be,thats a matter of opinion. i think he's fabulous and he's continuing to make incredible music. how in the world can you claim that the other guys have had greater success than axl? Chi Dem has sold 1.7 million with no promotion. VR does the same kind of music over and over and slash cant keep a frontman.
Hold on, no promotion? I'd say the 13 or 14 years making the stupid album is promotion enough. What about Axl not being able to keep a group of guys together? How about Axl not being able to grow up and perform, like he's paid to do? He bitches and moans and cancels shows and does everything in his power to self-sabotage. Slash has kept a core group of people together and has a great musical connection with them. I'm sorry, but Axl is nowhere near as successful as the others. He shames the name.
you seem to not understand the word promotion. simply taking a long time to make an album is not promotion. a lot has been written about Best Buy dropping the ball on promotion and axl's own lack of interest in doing interviews, videos etc. as for not "keeping guys together", 5 out of 7 pl in his band are confirmed and he did 80 dates in the 2006 tour - only one show was cancelled. haha! slash etc have had 15 years but axl has sold more albums than libertad in 7 weeks.
the album was a joke, you know it I knwo it everybody knows it. ur living in the axl rose dream world. I'm the biggest GNR fan that has ever existed, What axl has put together isnt worthy of being called guns n roses hes a disgrace to his former self.
From what i have read from the news reports Axl was the gentlemen and didnt sink to Hilfigers level and punch him back. "I'm the biggest GNR fan that has ever existed" Your the joke because if you were a true GNR fan you would stick by guns n roses no matter what. Alot of people must like chinese, seening as its sold about 3 million in about 7 months, that excluding the people who have downloaded it illegaly. In my opinion your the disgrace for disrespecting a great vocalist.
where did I say that Axl wasn't or isn' t talented? I think Axl is one of the most original vocalist of all time...that being said I think we were discussing his latest revision of "GNR" and Democracy which was average at best, damn Axl didn't even promote it...but hey let's just agree to disagree...Untill Axl comes out from under his rock and reassemble the True Guns he'll remain the undisputed biggest rock star in argentina...and Brazil
well tell me what he has done in the last 15 years to prove me wrong? I think if you do your research, most people will agree with my poi. I wanted to like democracy more than anything.
oh so thats how you make your judgments? going by what "most people" say? not very rock n roll, is it?
"most people" thought that the sun revolved around the earth at one point. didnt make that true.
in the last 15 years, axl has completed one successful world tour with the new GNR and released one quality album. your not liking CD doesnt make it bad. an artist is not a factory worker who can be measured by sheer productivity.
ur analysis of my opinon is ridiculous and hypocritical, you are judging me for not liking the album, Just because Axl put it out doesn't mean its a quality production face the facts it sounded outdated and irrelevant...I like street of dreams kind of sounds like november rain without the inspiration or creativity but styl its not too bad. As for the coment about an artist not being a factory worker...well maybe if Axl came back down to earth he might prodce something worth listening to jmo
haha! funny seeing you call others "hypocritical" when you made the ridiculously absurd claim with massive glee in this video that axl had his "ass kicked" by tommy hilfiger while also claiming to be his fan.
nowhere did i say that just because the album involves axl that has to be recognized as good by everybody. but the kind of blaxck and white judgments you have been making calling the album a joke and axl a disgrtace show blind hatred and prejudice, definitely not a sound analysis.
what are you Axl's PR guy? I wasn't there but according to the media which is where we get all of our information, Axl was definitley roughed up by Hilfiger; I can't be a fan and say he had his "ass kicked"? You make some strong accusations, which nullify ur argument altogether. I think you are using the words hatred and prejudice flippantly, afterall we are discussing music and a musician with mental health issues
oh so one newedsa to be axl's PR person to treat him as a human being rather than a comic book villian? no actually, the "media" didnt say anything like that. in fact what was reported was that axl showed restraint while the club's security threw hilfiger out., hilfiger's own comments were that he was scared that axl was going to kill him. its not an "accusation" that you showed delirious glee in announcing that axl "got his ass kicked"- it is a FACT that you did..
you derive pleasure out pf making flippant comments about axl and the new GNR calling the album a "joke" and axl a "disgrace" so its hilarious watching you go all pious on flippant statements. prejudice is ugly and it doesnt become any better when directed towards somebody with mental isues- infact one would imagine that reasonable people would show such a person some understanding.
again to YOU the album might sound dated but plenty of critics have remarked on the modern sound.
one thing that makes your analysis entirely weak and shoddy is your confusing your own opinion with "facts". the album may sound "dated" and "irrelevant" to YOU but that doesnt make it a "fact".
the album uses an interesting aesthetic whereby it touches upon the history of rock employing many different styles and genres. this includes industrial music but also beatles, pink floyd and queen type touches plus of course much of the already GNR cannon in the rockers and piano ballads.
well the facts are subjective since we are discussing personal likes and dislikes. as a whole the album sounded like a bad GNR clone circa 1993, there are a couple alright tracks but I didn't exactly hear celestial angels singing. I gave democracy a chance and it failed to have an impact on me, obvioulsy you had a different experience...
"The True Guns" are dead, sorry to say that to you but its a fact, Axl said in a recent interview that either him or Slash would have to die before he reforms the old Guns and also he added that Slash is a cancer and blames Slash for the breakdown of the old band. There are plenty of great songs on Chinese: Chinese Democracy, Better, Street of Dreams, There Was A Time, Riad and the Bedouins, Sorry, IRS, This I Love and Prostitute.
there are a couple of good songs on the album, underline the word good...not great nothign worth mentioning...as for Slash being the cancer I have not read one negative comment to the press coming form slash about Axl, SLash has made it clear over and over again that if he got the call he would be there. He has always stuck up for Axl, read his bio he considered Axl a brother (with some issues) but regardless if someone said a foul thign about Axl he dealt with them, even scott weiland
you may not find SOD "inspired" but there are many many lovers of that song who see plenty of creativity in it.
this is where you give away your bias 100%. to say that slash hasnt said a bad word about axl is a massive fudging of facts. slash has been spreading a story of axl forcing him and duff to sign over the GNR name to him by holding them hostage. basically he portrayed axl as a shameless unethical man who robbed slash and duff.
In my opinion that is the best song on the Album...I have it on my ipod. Axl has portrayed himself as unethical as well, let's just say he doesn't have a pristine track record when dealing with people.
nopes. axl's short temper does not justify the bogus and deliberately malicious accusation that slash made i.e of axl forcing him and duff to sign over the GNR name to him. angry outbursts are not the same as extortion which is in effect what slash accused him of.
like i said, the courts would never accept such a forced contract. yet slash has systematically used this lie to turn himself into a victim in public opinion and axl into a comic book villian.
at this point I'm thinking this is W AXL ROSE himself...Axl if it's you please reunite the orignal band, GNR left a shit load of money and creativity on the table the world over is waitng for guns to come together...The Dynamics of the appetite Guns was magical Axl,Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven is Guns n roses anything else is a scam...
haha! predictable. anybody who doesnt spend their life attacking axl 24/7 must be either axl himself or his PR person. speaks even more of your prejudice and your intolerance of people who dont fall in line with your opinion. so you cant do better than trying to label them. :)
trying to deny reality doesnt make it go away. the truth is that GNR were always combustible and always losing members from the start. the new GNR is a strong band. hating them wont make the old GNR come back.
my judgement in this case is based on popular opinion and of course camparison to what is and what was and what people are listening to right now. Im glad you enjoyed democaracy so much Im going to give it another listen today ...
I just don't get the concept of anyone other than axl rose having the guns n roses name , all fans assoc gnr as the greatest band due to axl & his talents & we would be greatly disappointed if we spent money on anything gnr that axl wasn't a part of & it's his own name, does slash want his firstborn too, I'm glad you're helping to keep the record straight because I for one can't stand any neg axl remarks when he has made such a huge impact in music & deserves so much respect in many ways!
fact is while axl owns the new Guns N Roses, all assets of old GNR (pre-95) are mutually owned by axl, slash & duff. they have NOT been denied any of the fruits of their labors. infact THEY sued axl in 2005 to strip axl of all ownership of the pre-94 music, merchandising! so much for the pretense of slash & duff being helpless victims!
axl chose the enormous challenge of rebuilding GNR &the risk of an uncertain future. that takes real guts.
A band is not a band if the singer gets all the credit. Old GNR is not old GNR when axl gets all the royalties.
I mean Axl is a talented singer, but he's really a douche...You certainly forgot how Axl forcefully demoted Izzy when Izzy was an important songwriter in the band. Also, How Axl yet again forcefully made Slash and Duff give up their rights of the band to Axl...
I don't know anything about Izzy ever being demoted, I doubt that, also I wouldn't say slash & duff were forced to give up their rights, I believe they were given options & to their own regret they made their choices, but...axl does not get ALL the royalties of old gnr, they all share in that success.
the only problem? this story is bogus. the courts would never uphold a forced contract. but the fact is that while playing the loving "brother" to axl in the media, slash has been suing axl over and over behind the scenes. despite all these lawsuits, the courts have never rejected axl's LEGAL and RIGHTFUL ownership of the GNR name which shows that slash straight up lied maliciously about the forced contract story.
so much for slash "standing up" for axl. its a double game, nothing more.
youre completely intolerant of everyone who doesnt fall in line with your point of view. Chinese Democracy was the 14th highest sellking album of 2008 and received strong reviews from many major music publications.
it is a passionate, sincere musical production. why should that be a disgrace to the GNR name?
as for promotion, axl has never been easy to figure out. but in his interviews he has shown complete satisfaction with the MUSIC on CD which is all that really matters.
it was not this party you retard ffs , this was a b day party for that bird cant remember her name but this was a while back the fight with tommy was at a more recent party
umm, no. the plum club is an exclusive club for the swanky. rosario dawson is a successful actress. and he didnt do it out of desperation, he did it because hes friends with rosario.
To: bripalanca - I agree with you 100% But I'm just wondering why the lyrics are up on the wall, did he forget his own lyrics? Anyways, I love this song and I was so bumed when they didn't play it at the 2002 T.O concert I attended, but was sooooooo happy when they played it this time at the 2006 T.O concert and I had 2nd row seat. So now I can die a happy camper!
how come axl isn't freaking out and jumping in the crowd? this is obviously a bootleg, and there is even a shot of a phone camera filming it in the begining... the old axl in '91 would jump in the crowd and kick some ass... he softened up, but thank god his voice didn't
This is so great! Some of you need to go suck on your moms nips. The new GNR does play new songs. Why can't he play older songs he wrote? You Axl haters sound f'n Dee Dee Dee!
it is Rosario's party ! Axl is wearing the same outfit ! http://previews2.wireimage.com/PreviewImgPopUp400.asp?ItemI=8698607&ci=1&PItemI=8698607-H96W128&NItemI=8699155-H90W128&bi=1&ei=4&rc=40&df=14&isCL04F=0
that video reminds me of a huge kareoke bar with enlarged lyrics and, oh yeah, threw in a band, too.......i wonder who axel rose is when he is not on youtube or mtv?
i agree with u!!!!!!! these morons here dont like axl rose anymore but they checking this out and putting some comments!!! i dont understand why they have to talkshit about axl rose!!!!for me he is stiil the greatest vocalist ever!!!
you are patchetic. stop watching clips of gnr if you hate them so much. there was a reason you were not invited to this show and you can only see it and talk shit through a computer screen because you have access to the internet. you are a loser.
no have "new GNR"
have Axl & Friend's...
Axl Gre8
evertonmadrugaful 1 year ago
Axl didn't want to be next next rolling stones............He is already AXL MFN ROSE!!!!!!
hodge4443 1 year ago
Guns N Roses Is Axl, Izzy, Slash, Steven and Duff!!!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!!
It's all in the chemistry and they had it!
ExplosionBass 2 years ago
As ozzy Osbourne said before: If Guns N' Roses didn't split up,they could of been the next Rolling Stone.
jayhaoliao 2 years ago 3
he used to love them but he have to kill them xD
kdesano8 2 years ago
Hey pplz! There are people here (like lil ol' me) who grew up with Papa singing November Rain to put them to sleep. We don't want to read that he was a douche who got cornrows and was an asshole who treated the band like shit and his only talent was his voice...on a good day...We like to remember him hot with straight hair and a bad ass attitude. Not lame cornrows and a douchebag attitude...
Opheliac666 2 years ago
@Opheliac666 well said man.. i agree 100 % : )
lethalinferno 1 year ago
Also, mrinalbuffy123, I just read your posts, completely ripping that JonEK9 a new hole, lol.
Well done, his opinion seems very, simple and biased, to me.
jessdaman08 2 years ago
in my opinion, Izzy was the muse of/for the band, not to mention the unsung hero/genius of GnR...axl was and is still is the mouthpiece for Izzy's genius...also, note well that AFTER Izzy left, Guns never put out anything really "new" (excepting of course Chin Dem)...so, yes axl was and still is good, BUT DO NOT FORGET IZZY!!! He was a HUGE part of GnR.
pricha24 2 years ago 3
to ALL of you praising axl...slow your role...yes, axl was an amazing frontman AND was indeed A centerpiece in the band, BUT!!!!!!!! much of guns early stuff (including ballads like don't cary and nov rain in addition to most of the stuff on Appetite, Live Like a Suicide, and Lies) in terms of music and lyrics were written and/or HEAVILY influenced by Izzy Stradlin...
pricha24 2 years ago 4
Nov Rain was not influenced by Izzy. Nov Rain was Axl song.
DStyles2345 2 years ago 7
I know Izzy influenced a lot of the music but I read Slash's book and November Rain was sololy Axl. It was such an eloborate and difficult peice of music to arrange. Still most of the songs were a collaboration of all the band members!
ExplosionBass 2 years ago
yesterday, today, tomorrow, axl rose is the best, he should be the ONLY one who should use the name guns n roses as it would never have been the phenom it is to this day without him & axl is who you would WANT to see at a guns n roses show, not the guitarist, & might I add, Axl is still so sexy!!!!!
caflany 2 years ago 2
didn't axl get his ass kicked by tommy hilfiger at this gig???
JonEK9 2 years ago
Axl didn't get his ass kicked, Hilfiger threw one punch, which hit axl on the cheek. Axl would have retaliated but he is a gentlemen unlike Hilfiger, who got thrown out because he got in a mood, he was only told to move to a different seat so Axl and the rest of the band could sit down.
War77Machine 2 years ago
Axl a Gentleman haha that's a good one
JonEK9 2 years ago
damn! i wish axl would perform at my birthday party.
phil202mcr 3 years ago
Que trucho!!!
Wilfridda 3 years ago
Ha, what's up with the power point presentation in the back ground? Was this at some hotel convention?
GrizzlTooth 3 years ago
so the ppl can sing along , its the lyrics to the song and it was at a birthday party
TimeSplittersChimp 3 years ago
b unson
imakemorethanhim 3 years ago
ppl think that axl sucks now sence the break up but i still think that he still has a good singing voice
coolman9588 3 years ago 4
Well said m8! I saw the "New" Guns N' Roses twice live in 2006 and i thought Axl sounded better than he ever did! Thats just my opinion as i have only been a fan for almost 20 years!!!
USEDTOLOVEHER 3 years ago 4
same i've been a fan for like 15 yrs or sumthin and i like how he's alot calmer
coolman9588 3 years ago 2
how can axl rose rock so much that even without the great slash is still awesome to se him singing with this new band?
the new band is a good band but not even close to sound as good as the old line-up...
panacaspdm 3 years ago 11
guns n roses without axl not is gun n roses and guns n roses without slash is nothing
hernan250 3 years ago
Wow he can play a Tambourine!
knietfiend 3 years ago
oh, and the sound isn't good and there's a guy that sings near the camera that sounds awful...
ofekt 3 years ago 2
Not to mention it was also shot on a cell phone.
Axlander 3 years ago
why is this film so short? anyone has the longer one?
ofekt 3 years ago 2
probably no even he was gonna be there, if they did someone would have so taken a camera too record it.
GNR87Joker 3 years ago
axl is too sweet for words
mdarth334 3 years ago 3
guns n' roses is nothing without slash
digidawg7 3 years ago
He was a great guitarist, but really, people can cover his stuff easily. People don't notice change in guitarists as much as singers. Guns will always be Axl's band.
SignusMelko 3 years ago 4
Axl wasn't nothin without Slash,Izzy, Duff, n Steven. Without Slash's killer solos, Izzy awesome rythm guitar, Duff's Badass bass. and Steven's Drugged out drumbeats. Axl was nothin and I think it's bullshit that axl still sings original GnR songs in 2008, When hes already annouced his shitty ass band with there gay ass single Better. Axle isnt even that good anymore he just seems like a piece of shit.
knietfiend 3 years ago
The whole band was made famous by all their contributions, yes. But I'm talking now. Playing old Gunz classics, people can cover the stuff, but you can't replace a singer. Just look at Queen. Freddie is gone and they don't try to replace him. The singer is always what people look at.
SignusMelko 3 years ago 2
finally someone gets it. you understand. you can replace the lead guitarist or drummer but not the frontman. if people only cared about the AFD line-up they wouldnt have gone seen them during the UYI tour. The only original members then were Axl, Slash and Izzy(partially). Its undeniable that the older line-up were the best but then new band is still great.
GNR87Joker 3 years ago
so duff didnt go on the UYI tour then no ???/ get ur facts right
TimeSplittersChimp 3 years ago
GNR has always been Axl's vision.
Axlander 3 years ago 5
Hold on now. GNR has always been Axl's vision? So Izzy, Slash, Duff and Steven were what? Just lucky to be there? Don't get me wrong, back in the day (I say that because all the stuff I've seen of him recently is brutal) Axl had a great singing voice, but let's not forget how important the other members were and I think they've proven to be better musicians than Axl overall...I mean, look at the careers they've had since.
brettdavey 3 years ago 2
youre making no sense. axl still has a fabulous singing voice- if you havent seen his great performances during the 2006/7 tour then thats your problem, not axl's. check out the kroq inland invasion show, then talk.
as for the other guys proving to be "better" musicians than axl, theyre stuck in one confining style while axl is exploring different styles of music with great creativity. why all the hostility towards axl?
mrinalbuffy123 3 years ago 3
I'm making plenty of sense. A couple good shows here and there surrounded by disastrous shows or canceled performances have proven how sad Axl is.
One style? So Duff's new band isn't a different style? How about all Izzy's solo stuff? Have you even listened to Slash's Snakepit?
All the hostility because he has taken a great band and made it a joke, a punchline for everyone and mediocre at best.
brettdavey 3 years ago
a couple of shows? axl did 80 dates in his 2006 tour. try keeping up with the facts.
duff, izzy, slash etc are doing their thing but it has not been as broad ranging and experimental as what axl's been upto. those are the facts. Chinese Democracy offers everything from orchestral pieces to sizzling guitars to a flamenco flavor to hip hop loops. the album has sold 1.7 million copies in 7 weeks - that's no "joke". the album' received lot more positive reviews than negative ones.
mrinalbuffy123 3 years ago 4
I did not say he only played a couple of shows, I said a couple of good shows (meaning out of the whole tour) doesn't make him as good as he was. Also, experimenting is fine, but it doesn't mean that it's good music man.
The fact is Axl has had nowhere near the success that the other members (Steven Adler excluded) have had since the band broke up in the 90's. Chinese Democracy is OK, it's a rock album, not a Guns 'n' Roses album, enough said.
brettdavey 3 years ago
again, i dont know how youre coming up with the conclusion that only 2 shows out of the 80in 2006 were good. quite a few were very good.
as for him not being "as good" as he used to be,thats a matter of opinion. i think he's fabulous and he's continuing to make incredible music. how in the world can you claim that the other guys have had greater success than axl? Chi Dem has sold 1.7 million with no promotion. VR does the same kind of music over and over and slash cant keep a frontman.
mrinalbuffy123 3 years ago 4
Hold on, no promotion? I'd say the 13 or 14 years making the stupid album is promotion enough. What about Axl not being able to keep a group of guys together? How about Axl not being able to grow up and perform, like he's paid to do? He bitches and moans and cancels shows and does everything in his power to self-sabotage. Slash has kept a core group of people together and has a great musical connection with them. I'm sorry, but Axl is nowhere near as successful as the others. He shames the name.
brettdavey 3 years ago
you seem to not understand the word promotion. simply taking a long time to make an album is not promotion. a lot has been written about Best Buy dropping the ball on promotion and axl's own lack of interest in doing interviews, videos etc. as for not "keeping guys together", 5 out of 7 pl in his band are confirmed and he did 80 dates in the 2006 tour - only one show was cancelled. haha! slash etc have had 15 years but axl has sold more albums than libertad in 7 weeks.
mrinalbuffy123 3 years ago 4
by the way, you should read a few reviews. even the most hateful reviewers have had to admit that he's done good by the GNR name.
GNR were always growing and taking risks and thats what Chi Dem does too.
mrinalbuffy123 3 years ago 4
the album was a joke, you know it I knwo it everybody knows it. ur living in the axl rose dream world. I'm the biggest GNR fan that has ever existed, What axl has put together isnt worthy of being called guns n roses hes a disgrace to his former self.
JonEK9 2 years ago
From what i have read from the news reports Axl was the gentlemen and didnt sink to Hilfigers level and punch him back. "I'm the biggest GNR fan that has ever existed" Your the joke because if you were a true GNR fan you would stick by guns n roses no matter what. Alot of people must like chinese, seening as its sold about 3 million in about 7 months, that excluding the people who have downloaded it illegaly. In my opinion your the disgrace for disrespecting a great vocalist.
War77Machine 2 years ago
where did I say that Axl wasn't or isn' t talented? I think Axl is one of the most original vocalist of all time...that being said I think we were discussing his latest revision of "GNR" and Democracy which was average at best, damn Axl didn't even promote it...but hey let's just agree to disagree...Untill Axl comes out from under his rock and reassemble the True Guns he'll remain the undisputed biggest rock star in argentina...and Brazil
JonEK9 2 years ago
so basically, JonEK9, youre only a fan of axl if he does your bidding and arranges a reunion.
thats the extent of your fandom. otherwise, he gets none of your support.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
well tell me what he has done in the last 15 years to prove me wrong? I think if you do your research, most people will agree with my poi. I wanted to like democracy more than anything.
JonEK9 2 years ago
oh so thats how you make your judgments? going by what "most people" say? not very rock n roll, is it?
"most people" thought that the sun revolved around the earth at one point. didnt make that true.
in the last 15 years, axl has completed one successful world tour with the new GNR and released one quality album. your not liking CD doesnt make it bad. an artist is not a factory worker who can be measured by sheer productivity.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
ur analysis of my opinon is ridiculous and hypocritical, you are judging me for not liking the album, Just because Axl put it out doesn't mean its a quality production face the facts it sounded outdated and irrelevant...I like street of dreams kind of sounds like november rain without the inspiration or creativity but styl its not too bad. As for the coment about an artist not being a factory worker...well maybe if Axl came back down to earth he might prodce something worth listening to jmo
JonEK9 2 years ago
haha! funny seeing you call others "hypocritical" when you made the ridiculously absurd claim with massive glee in this video that axl had his "ass kicked" by tommy hilfiger while also claiming to be his fan.
nowhere did i say that just because the album involves axl that has to be recognized as good by everybody. but the kind of blaxck and white judgments you have been making calling the album a joke and axl a disgrtace show blind hatred and prejudice, definitely not a sound analysis.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
what are you Axl's PR guy? I wasn't there but according to the media which is where we get all of our information, Axl was definitley roughed up by Hilfiger; I can't be a fan and say he had his "ass kicked"? You make some strong accusations, which nullify ur argument altogether. I think you are using the words hatred and prejudice flippantly, afterall we are discussing music and a musician with mental health issues
JonEK9 2 years ago
oh so one newedsa to be axl's PR person to treat him as a human being rather than a comic book villian? no actually, the "media" didnt say anything like that. in fact what was reported was that axl showed restraint while the club's security threw hilfiger out., hilfiger's own comments were that he was scared that axl was going to kill him. its not an "accusation" that you showed delirious glee in announcing that axl "got his ass kicked"- it is a FACT that you did..
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
you derive pleasure out pf making flippant comments about axl and the new GNR calling the album a "joke" and axl a "disgrace" so its hilarious watching you go all pious on flippant statements. prejudice is ugly and it doesnt become any better when directed towards somebody with mental isues- infact one would imagine that reasonable people would show such a person some understanding.
again to YOU the album might sound dated but plenty of critics have remarked on the modern sound.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
one thing that makes your analysis entirely weak and shoddy is your confusing your own opinion with "facts". the album may sound "dated" and "irrelevant" to YOU but that doesnt make it a "fact".
the album uses an interesting aesthetic whereby it touches upon the history of rock employing many different styles and genres. this includes industrial music but also beatles, pink floyd and queen type touches plus of course much of the already GNR cannon in the rockers and piano ballads.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
well the facts are subjective since we are discussing personal likes and dislikes. as a whole the album sounded like a bad GNR clone circa 1993, there are a couple alright tracks but I didn't exactly hear celestial angels singing. I gave democracy a chance and it failed to have an impact on me, obvioulsy you had a different experience...
JonEK9 2 years ago
oh no 14th??? hahaha
JonEK9 2 years ago
yeah, CD was the 14th highst selling album of 2008 in just 5 weeks of sales. poor VR can only dream such dreams.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
"The True Guns" are dead, sorry to say that to you but its a fact, Axl said in a recent interview that either him or Slash would have to die before he reforms the old Guns and also he added that Slash is a cancer and blames Slash for the breakdown of the old band. There are plenty of great songs on Chinese: Chinese Democracy, Better, Street of Dreams, There Was A Time, Riad and the Bedouins, Sorry, IRS, This I Love and Prostitute.
War77Machine 2 years ago
there are a couple of good songs on the album, underline the word good...not great nothign worth mentioning...as for Slash being the cancer I have not read one negative comment to the press coming form slash about Axl, SLash has made it clear over and over again that if he got the call he would be there. He has always stuck up for Axl, read his bio he considered Axl a brother (with some issues) but regardless if someone said a foul thign about Axl he dealt with them, even scott weiland
JonEK9 2 years ago
you may not find SOD "inspired" but there are many many lovers of that song who see plenty of creativity in it.
this is where you give away your bias 100%. to say that slash hasnt said a bad word about axl is a massive fudging of facts. slash has been spreading a story of axl forcing him and duff to sign over the GNR name to him by holding them hostage. basically he portrayed axl as a shameless unethical man who robbed slash and duff.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
In my opinion that is the best song on the Album...I have it on my ipod. Axl has portrayed himself as unethical as well, let's just say he doesn't have a pristine track record when dealing with people.
JonEK9 2 years ago
nopes. axl's short temper does not justify the bogus and deliberately malicious accusation that slash made i.e of axl forcing him and duff to sign over the GNR name to him. angry outbursts are not the same as extortion which is in effect what slash accused him of.
like i said, the courts would never accept such a forced contract. yet slash has systematically used this lie to turn himself into a victim in public opinion and axl into a comic book villian.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
at this point I'm thinking this is W AXL ROSE himself...Axl if it's you please reunite the orignal band, GNR left a shit load of money and creativity on the table the world over is waitng for guns to come together...The Dynamics of the appetite Guns was magical Axl,Slash,Duff,Izzy and Steven is Guns n roses anything else is a scam...
JonEK9 2 years ago
haha! predictable. anybody who doesnt spend their life attacking axl 24/7 must be either axl himself or his PR person. speaks even more of your prejudice and your intolerance of people who dont fall in line with your opinion. so you cant do better than trying to label them. :)
trying to deny reality doesnt make it go away. the truth is that GNR were always combustible and always losing members from the start. the new GNR is a strong band. hating them wont make the old GNR come back.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
its more of a hate for mediocrity
JonEK9 2 years ago
well, like you yourself admitted, judgments about music are subjective. what may be "mediocre" to you is much appreciated by others.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
my judgement in this case is based on popular opinion and of course camparison to what is and what was and what people are listening to right now. Im glad you enjoyed democaracy so much Im going to give it another listen today ...
JonEK9 2 years ago
its an album that gets better the more you listen to it. thats my experience of it. its best if you listen to it for what is rather than what isnt.
i dont lay much stock in popular opinion. might end up listening to the jonas brothers, that way. :)
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
haha
JonEK9 2 years ago
I just don't get the concept of anyone other than axl rose having the guns n roses name , all fans assoc gnr as the greatest band due to axl & his talents & we would be greatly disappointed if we spent money on anything gnr that axl wasn't a part of & it's his own name, does slash want his firstborn too, I'm glad you're helping to keep the record straight because I for one can't stand any neg axl remarks when he has made such a huge impact in music & deserves so much respect in many ways!
caflany 2 years ago 3
thank you very much for your support. :)
fact is while axl owns the new Guns N Roses, all assets of old GNR (pre-95) are mutually owned by axl, slash & duff. they have NOT been denied any of the fruits of their labors. infact THEY sued axl in 2005 to strip axl of all ownership of the pre-94 music, merchandising! so much for the pretense of slash & duff being helpless victims!
axl chose the enormous challenge of rebuilding GNR &the risk of an uncertain future. that takes real guts.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
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caflany 2 years ago
Well said, Axl is GNR :)
jessdaman08 2 years ago
A band is not a band if the singer gets all the credit. Old GNR is not old GNR when axl gets all the royalties.
I mean Axl is a talented singer, but he's really a douche...You certainly forgot how Axl forcefully demoted Izzy when Izzy was an important songwriter in the band. Also, How Axl yet again forcefully made Slash and Duff give up their rights of the band to Axl...
jayhaoliao 2 years ago
I don't know anything about Izzy ever being demoted, I doubt that, also I wouldn't say slash & duff were forced to give up their rights, I believe they were given options & to their own regret they made their choices, but...axl does not get ALL the royalties of old gnr, they all share in that success.
caflany 2 years ago
the only problem? this story is bogus. the courts would never uphold a forced contract. but the fact is that while playing the loving "brother" to axl in the media, slash has been suing axl over and over behind the scenes. despite all these lawsuits, the courts have never rejected axl's LEGAL and RIGHTFUL ownership of the GNR name which shows that slash straight up lied maliciously about the forced contract story.
so much for slash "standing up" for axl. its a double game, nothing more.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
youre completely intolerant of everyone who doesnt fall in line with your point of view. Chinese Democracy was the 14th highest sellking album of 2008 and received strong reviews from many major music publications.
it is a passionate, sincere musical production. why should that be a disgrace to the GNR name?
as for promotion, axl has never been easy to figure out. but in his interviews he has shown complete satisfaction with the MUSIC on CD which is all that really matters.
mrinalbuffy123 2 years ago
AMEN TO THAT, saw em live in 92 and in 02... nuff said
jkozar1 2 years ago
"E O MELHOR"...
locaprvc 3 years ago
Why does this chick get Axl to perform at her b'day??!!
Fucking rich bastards!!!
oldgunsnroses4eva 4 years ago
The Real Used to love u... Not the Used to love u of velvet revolver...
Cmpv19 4 years ago 4
At this party axl and tommy hilfiger had a fight!!! axl is the same asskickin' of '91, always on the run! slash come back!!!!
jokifordestruction 4 years ago
it was not this party you retard ffs , this was a b day party for that bird cant remember her name but this was a while back the fight with tommy was at a more recent party
MolestedChimp 4 years ago
tinha um brazuca lá que disse "caralho, qué isso?!"
f0xl0ck 4 years ago
The new GN'R are great! Axl I love you!!!
MaiaraRoses 4 years ago
idiot that public was people of rosario dawson´s party
slaxlgnrvr 4 years ago
omg... how deep did axl fall?....
singing in that upf**ked pub in front of the crowd....
poor..
ebon123 4 years ago
umm, no. the plum club is an exclusive club for the swanky. rosario dawson is a successful actress. and he didnt do it out of desperation, he did it because hes friends with rosario.
ECWNET 4 years ago
To: bripalanca - I agree with you 100% But I'm just wondering why the lyrics are up on the wall, did he forget his own lyrics? Anyways, I love this song and I was so bumed when they didn't play it at the 2002 T.O concert I attended, but was sooooooo happy when they played it this time at the 2006 T.O concert and I had 2nd row seat. So now I can die a happy camper!
dbenmil 4 years ago
the lyrics is on the wall so that the crowd can sing along.. he is axl (god that is) but he don't have eyes in the back of his neck ;)
cheapjonday 4 years ago
how come axl isn't freaking out and jumping in the crowd? this is obviously a bootleg, and there is even a shot of a phone camera filming it in the begining... the old axl in '91 would jump in the crowd and kick some ass... he softened up, but thank god his voice didn't
looka345 4 years ago
Axl Rocks!!!
fuckddd 5 years ago
Nice,Take it away Axl!
crazycanadian69 5 years ago
This is so great! Some of you need to go suck on your moms nips. The new GNR does play new songs. Why can't he play older songs he wrote? You Axl haters sound f'n Dee Dee Dee!
BuddhaMaster 5 years ago
UPLOAD MORE!!! I WANT MORE!!!!
gardenofeden13 5 years ago
This video is really amazing!!! VERY RARE!!!! I hope you have more and upload it :-/
GNRsakuL 5 years ago
Axl Rose is fucking GREAT
Axl00Mal 5 years ago
stop playing old tunes u fucking cover band
derex1217 5 years ago
FUCK FUCK AND FUCK! The New GNR Sucks COCK! Delete This MOTHERFUCKIN' SHIT FFS!!!!
dudt 5 years ago
whats fucking bad about it ,you fuckhead, still crying why slash left, GET A LIFE
jellepieters 5 years ago
www.bettergnr.bbfun.com
irishaxl 5 years ago
CHECK OUT A REAL WEREWOLF HOST A COMEDY SHOW:
http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=48F8B9A02E6CBB9E
tomomemitasha 5 years ago
it is Rosario's party ! Axl is wearing the same outfit ! http://previews2.wireimage.com/PreviewImgPopUp400.asp?ItemI=8698607&ci=1&PItemI=8698607-H96W128&NItemI=8699155-H90W128&bi=1&ei=4&rc=40&df=14&isCL04F=0
LouStools 5 years ago
Is that Roasario Dawsons birthday party ? I know they hired Guns and Roses to perform at her birthday party.
LouStools 5 years ago
what a wanker
Mundos 5 years ago
cool ... www.antiplictiseala.com/masini.htm
antiplictiseala 5 years ago
that video reminds me of a huge kareoke bar with enlarged lyrics and, oh yeah, threw in a band, too.......i wonder who axel rose is when he is not on youtube or mtv?
pandavolkeno 5 years ago
Fucking awesome! Guns N' Roses still rule after all this time.
bluesgunner 5 years ago
i agree with u!!!!!!! these morons here dont like axl rose anymore but they checking this out and putting some comments!!! i dont understand why they have to talkshit about axl rose!!!!for me he is stiil the greatest vocalist ever!!!
bripalanca 5 years ago
I Love you!
BananenMann 5 years ago
Hey, do you have the whole concert ... please make it downloadable !!!!
ferrazstancia 5 years ago
awesome!!
Guns n Roses rock!!
You're so lucky you were there :)
maryanne2006 5 years ago
superb
g2raxl 5 years ago
awsome :)
ssiscool 5 years ago
PATHETIC!
jameslofton 5 years ago
you are patchetic. stop watching clips of gnr if you hate them so much. there was a reason you were not invited to this show and you can only see it and talk shit through a computer screen because you have access to the internet. you are a loser.
vmarie30 4 years ago
Did you get any of the true rockers like Jungle or IRS? I'd love to hear those accoustic, my man!
CaptainCharisma1988 5 years ago
how you took place in the party brother????
amazing viseo-made me shed a tear...Axl you are the BEST!!!
YeHoashMcLaren 5 years ago
RIGHT ON!! POST THE WHOLE VID! MAKE IT DOWNLOADABLE IF YOU COULD! THANKS A MILLION MY FRIEND!
blakelp 5 years ago