PLEASE HELP im still novice prepper..boguht alot of oatmeals in past month..must i vaccuum pack it immediatly ? its in airtight containers but i do not have a vacuum machine..and if i need to vacuum it immediatly can i buy one the small vacuums machines for 60$ and jsut use that? tyvm florida prepper
can u use metal 5 gallon buckets that have lock down lids.they had metal parts in them.they didnt have any grease or oil or anything like that in them??????
i bought some rice and beans about 2 years ago around the swine flue pandemic from lds cannery but i forgot about it and its been sitting on a shelf in the unsealed bag in the box and the beans in the sealed paper bags do you think the food is still good should to put it in mylar and bucket it or should i cut my losses ?
4. shampoos/toothpaste, etc? do they need to be sealed
i saw manufacturer expiration dates as far as 2012 (liquid goods)... didn't want to prch mass quantities if they will die out quickly... THANKS in advance! :)
When I seal my mylar bags with oxygen packs, some obviously removed all the air, some still have air. All have been packed at the same time. How can I assure a good seal? I use a hair straightening iron to seal the bags, I sealed the bags with a 2" seal. Are the bags that still have air, good to store or should I repack them? Thank you :)
Ive always been told to FREEZE flour before you store it. The flour does come with eggs already in it, so if you freeze the flour it kills the eggs and the bugs can't hatch.
@sc00b3rt Your gonna find as I did 15 or so years ago that it's a waste to store flour LONG TERM. Whole wheat is cheaper, more versatile, better for you and stores better. "Dave in Idaho"
just like every body else, we at my house have gotten soft. i dont think plopping down a bowl of wheat grain in front of the kids is going to go over to well. can i like get some rice, beans, processed flower or corn meal and put as much as i can in a mylar bag and seal it the way you have shown?
Do you think it would be ok to mix all of the dried ingredients together and then store it in a Mylar bag with an Oxygen absorber for long term storage.
We get multi packs of crisps ( potato chips) in a bag that is some sort of "metallic plastic." I assume that they do this because it is impermeable. Is this some type of Mylar, or does it have a similar effect ? The advantage is that we throw away a couple of these every week.
survivalism has grown in numbers of people in the past few years. The only thing is, they don't realize that the standard of living is going to drop in America for about 10 years and then we're going to get into a new "tech" culture with a whole new job market. Things will get bad, then they'll get better. The distrubution of wealth will get redistributed, population will level out, there will be no collapse, only a reduced standard of living.
Great video but clearly you didn't research the way and whgy old timers used dry ice. Done right Dry ice displaces the o2. It is more difficult, and I would guess costly but it was effective in the day.
have you ever opened a container you just bought from the store and you see a little white package everyone allways pulls out and throws away with what fell like little balls or rocks?
It might seem easier now, but in 5 years when some of those wet packed cans have to be thrown out, it won't be easy then. 99% of folks do not rotate like they should and will have waste with using wet packed cans. With dehydrated your paying LESS (your not buying water weight) and the product stores for DECADES as we prove here. For most people who will not rotate correctly, this is the best option.
Pack it sooner, don't let it sit around for months before packing if at all possible. In some areas of the country you will get bugs in it fairly quick.
Let's assume a person can't back 8 months up, sooo, what if your wheat or rice is already 8 months old and not been packed? What would be the approach to safe storage in 7 mil bags with O2 absorbers? Won't the absorbers kill any bugs?
I would go through the grains very carefully and VERY SOON before summer heat gets much worse (not sure where you are at). Your call as to pitch or pack would be based on the condition of the grains. Grains that are being eaten will have a fine dust, almost like sawdust everywhere and you MAY see damage to the individual grains. YOUR CALL then to pitch or pack. If you decide to pack, use the methods we show here and think about checking them in six months.
It's been in a humid area for 3 months. It'sonly 6 months old, I've found. Opened a BAG of hard white wheat, poured into a clean white bucket to another clean white bucket and found some chaff and minor amount of fine dust. It's hard to believe there wouldn't be any when fresh, but I know very little. Is there a method to save?--to KILL pests that might be there? Freezing for days? Sell it & replace? I'm a rookie. Did I hear one video say the bugs are probably there when you buy it? Thanks again
Yes their will be some dust and chaff, that's totally normal. You could freeze it. I would just pack it, double up on the absorbers and check it in six months. If their isn't multitudes of visible bugs and you pack in a oxygen free environment, you should be alright. Next time, just pack sooner :)
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People eat food diatomaceous earth on a daily basis for it's health benefits. We have used several bags of food grade DE in our long term food storage form different companies and no where do they warn of inhaling the dust. DE acts as a desiccant, removing moisture form the packed food as well as natural insect control. Have you researched DE before you made these comments?
Yes it has been researched. Yes it is a inhalation hazard(simple google search shows that for both pool grade and food grade DE ) YES, None of the major LTS food processing plants use DE in their "super pails" or #10 cans for LTS.
So, people can pack like the major food packers or go with questionable means . If you personally feel safe using FOOD GRADE DE, then by all means do so. Some people like to freeze their grains before storage, it's not wrong but i dont advise to do it.
No professional packing house uses DE, that ought to tell us something. Folks USED TO think DDT was good for their gardens also..... Never heard the claim that DE "acts as a desiccant", that's interesting. So what does it do with the moisture it absorbs?
@naccibobacci The wikipedia page on DE showed it as an "inhalation hazard". It really boils down to the fact that if you use your head and pack properly you don't NEED IT. If you get fresh grains, DON'T let them sit around for six months before packing and use the professional methods we have shown, you WON'T NEED D.E. In 24 years of storing food and using it daily, I have yet to open one properly packed bucket and find bug problems.
@miller4546 An old wives tale. I can tell you how many buckets I've opened with flour, quick oats, grits packed with bay leaves (no mylar or absorbers, early 90's stuff) that were just teeming with bugs.
If you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
I have a book that recommends using dry ice to seal the container. it says to pack everything you need in your container and then put some dry ice in and set the lid on top (not closed) and the dry ice will push the oxygen out and after about 30 minutes, seal the lid, and when the dry ice vapors wear off, the container will have a suction to it. is this true? thanks
You need to do that ALSO. However can you feed yourself out of your garden YEAR round? Most of us cannot. Also, gardening is a LOT harder than people realize. You need them both. Farmers always used to keep enough to get them to the harvest the following year.
If the volcano under Yellowstone explodes, so much ash will be in the atmosphere that it will be like a so-called nuclear winter. Plants won't grow. Animals won't live long without massive intervention when plants die, so hunting and gardening will not be available, unless you're growing mushrooms - they don't need sun. I don't know if the ash washing out of the atmosphere when it rains will kill them because of acidity. Anyone, man cannot live by mushroom alone.
Hi, did the bugs grow naturally from the food or did they get in somehow. Would sealing the closed rim of the bucket with duct tape help from bugs getting in? thanks
They are already in there when you purchase them for the most part. This set of movies and the other parts are aimed at showing folks that unless you make the container air/water tight you will still have issues with bugs. The other movies show that even indoors ( HVAC controlled) , in sealed buckets and in duct taped "jugs", with "herbs"( bay/garlic/etc) you can still get bugs! IMHO mylar bags and O2 absorbers cure most if not all these issues for LTS.
question i have regular store bought flour is this a good way to store longterm or should i get hard red or white wheat and store that and grind it as needed
thanks appreciate it i went and bought 200lbs of regular flour but now im going to order hard red wheat thanks and i put bowtie pasta in 5gal mylar bags and it rips the bags any suggestions
Use better bags or leave the absorbers out. Don't expect good results from the flour. I've pitched hundreds of lbs. of it over the years due to bugs. It seems to come from the factory with them....
What if I'm out of mylar bags and buckets now, I've got three bags of feed store purchased wheat left. Can I throw the three on top of each other in a big rubbermaid plastic bin and wrap duct tape around the lid on for a bug proof seal? Since it's wheat I wouldn't have to worry about oxidation as much right? Thanks guys!
Someone was asking more about why not use dry ice-
1. It can be dangerous to work with.
2. It's hard to find. May raise eyebrows when purchased.
3. Does NOT provide a long term oxygen barrier-
Think about it, you cannot use dry ice with a mylar liner. So essentially you are just FUMIGATING your grains, that's ALL. A plastic bucket by ITSELF is NOT a long term oxygen barrier. Look at this video where we show the oxidated rice. That rice wouldn't be that way if the bucket protected against -
If the bucket itself was a true long term oxygen barrier the rice would NOT have showed the oxidation.
So what DOES dry ice do? It is a FUMIGANT, it will kill any bugs in your grains. Yes it does displace the oxygen in the bucket at the time you pack it, but since the bucket is NOT a long term oxygen barrier over the long term you WILL have oxidation of the food. And THAT is why most people even dinosaurs like myself don't bother with dry ice anymore! "Dave in Idaho"
feed wheat here in australia ... would be wheat that has had a lot of rain just before harvest causing it to shoot in the head ... shot and sprung ... you could still boil and eat it ... but not much good for flour bread making
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I don't know about wheat, but I'm pretty sure feed corn is almost inedible, in regards to human consumption. Its pretty much used for corn syrup and animal feed. Shoot, its almost inedible for the cows too, stomach ulcers and all.
Did farmers start planting two fields of corn now? One with "inedible" corn and one with "edible" corn? Cornmeal comes from where? A sterile laboratory? :)
I believe your confusing "field" corn with "feed". FIELD corn is the grain type corn- aka dent corn, used for cornmill, grits, hominy, etc. There is also "sweet" corn which is the vegetable type corn- think "corn on the cob" that you buy so cheap in the summer (cause it's in season then). Think about it- would a farmer LIMIT THE MARKET FOR HIS PRODUCT by planting something that could ONLY be used/sold in one venue? Doesn't make sense does it?
I know someone who grew up on a wheat farm in the Midwest. I asked him what feed wheat grain was & he said he never heard of it!! I showed him your video and he said humans can eat it, that it probably it just not of the same quality (bugs, moisture, animal droppings, hair etc). As long as it works for someone, I say save the money. I watched all of your videos. THANKS! Can you recommend some great books? Im just starting out. Any suggestions where I can buy 100% organic online??
Chickens doing the free range thing is best. Bugs/other living things plus all that organic matter makes good eggs with darker yolk. Chicken Tractor on YouTube. Good ideas to keep them protected from predators and easy to move. Free Range = Free Food :O)
Survivalreport, I need your help, what do I ask for by way of "which grain" to plant if I want to make white bread, I find this very confusing, and also if we are getting a few chickens for eggs what food and how much is needed to store for egglayers...is there anything inparticular? Hard kerneled corn, can they just "free range"?
I want to grow the grains I need to make bread but my husband and I arent crazy about wheat but do want a whiter bread, is this possible?
Not sure if I fully understand the question but here goes- "White" bread is made from white flour which is milled wheat where they have taken the germ, bran out (most nutritious parts). Now those parts usually go to animal feed and the remaining is BLEACHED white and sold as white flour. It is so stripped that the FDA MAKES THEM add pack vitamins A and D! That's where white flour comes from. On the chickens- free range is probably your best bet but look also at keeping some grains as well- cont
Chickens typically lay better with "some" grains. I've raised chickens since 94-95 and found this to be true for ME. We store the layer crumbles but also give our chickens grains and legumes that we grow as well as LTS stuff that went bad or the container failed. Don't forget a source of grit if they are penned up. Do that answer your questions?
Thank you so much Survivalreport! Yes mostly, may I ask white grain (by name) to order to make the "closest thing" to white bread...Is it hard red or...I'm not sure what to ask for (though I know you just told me about the wheat germ being removed and it wont be if I grow it) I just cant figure out what to start with, like most americans I never thought to ask.
Cracked corn is fine. If they aren't out scratching at the ground they need grit and calcium. Feed store will have ground oyster shells which are good for this. There is "white wheat" IIRC. We've only ever really used soft spring and hard red winter. Good luck! Thanks for watching!
Thanks... hey... would I be a big pain in the butt asking what is "white wheat" IIRC ??
Its been an entire year just trying to find out what Im to order and I'm sorta dumb to this stuff, its been a journey of roadbloacks just to figure out what I need... Ishould just stick to rice I'm thinking cause I dont think I'll ever get this before the shit hits the fan
I have always been a mom who has always felt the need 2 stock up, but just recently have started taking it seriously and want to learn to do it right.My question is how do foods hold up in long term cold weather you sayed that your food was in extreme heat,but I dont have alot of room in my home but have plenty of room in my garage.Last year we had 4 mnths of warm weather verses 8 mnths cold (thats what it felt like anyway)I know dry foods shld be ok,but what about other food stuff like canned
I have pails of wheat, barley, and soybean with original storage date reading 1972. 37 years. It is all still good. Was packed in plastic bags inside 6 gallon pails only and stored in an attic then a barn for last 10 years. My recycle program for spoiled food storage is called chickens
Do you know where I can find information on the exact food items I need for a good food storage program for my family of 4 (two under 4yrs old)? These videos are great! I do feel a bit overwhelmed and I don't even know where to start. I'm a beginner and have considered purchasing it pre-packed (efoodsdirect)but if I can do it better and cheaper that's what I would like to do. Any advice? Resources you would recommend?
I've been watching your videos and think they are great. I have a question. A lot of people online go on and on about the moisture content of the grains and how dry they should be when you pack food. Is it really that important. I saw one test that said grains and beans should 'shatter' when you hit them with a hammer. Mine sort of just flatten out. How big of a deal do you think it makes in the long run? Thanks.
Moisture content is very important for long term storage. Rice, beans and such that you buy from the store is going to be just fine for putting up not longer after you purchase them. You don't want to keep ANYTHING sitting around for six months before packing it. As far as yours "flattening out" what precisely does that? There is a stage, called the "milk stage" of wheat where when you press on the kernal it juices- that's NOT where you want to store it at.
I looked up milk stage and that's not it. No liquid is coming out. What happens is some kernels literally shatter into dust (or I guess flour, in this case) and others more or less get crushed with a little powder/flour. Some split. Is this dry enough or is there something I should do to dry it out further. Thank for answering my question.
I should NOT flatten out- I wouldn't store it in that state. Do you have a grain grinder? If so grind some and see if it "gums" up- sure sign of too much moisture. In general, if you can press your thumbnail into a kernal and NOT have it make a mark, it's dry enough to store. You could also take a small batch to a grain mill and have them test for moisture, protein content, etc.
oh, i said on another comment about how great a video would be about what guns are best for survival and HOW much ammo should be on hand. Another question I have is about all my ARMY gear. It is about 10 years old held in my big azz green bag. Should I store them in a way to preserve them? Thx guys!
OK, let's clarify a few things. 1. No food was "wasted"- we don't waste storage food. We eat storage food on a DAILY basis. Besides people with real long term experience with storage food KNOW that it will not go "poooff" when you open the container. My family is using some of this food now and some of the P.A.W. crew took some of it home also. Nothing was "wasted." 2. No where did anyone say dry ice "didn't work",It was stated that it wasn't advised "for the novice packer."
3. This food was not stored in "Idaho", in case you haven't figured it out, the Idaho and Tyrone things are inside jokes ;) Food was stored in Florida and Georgia in an outside metal building- no air conditioning. 4. Again on the "feed wheat" issue- boy that's getting old... We made it abundantly clear that we are not "advising" people to store feed wheat. Once again and hopefully for the last time, that's a PERSONAL CHOICE. We just cannot find regular wheat LOCALLY so we use it. Dave
Finally, it isn't rocket science to realize that these couple of cans and buckets are NOT all this family has in storage. Think about it. Food is constantly being used and constantly be replaced- the way it should be done. This wasn't overlooked or forgotten food, this was where they are currently in there rotation cycle. Small amounts of food = quick rotation, larger amounts in storage take more time to rotate. I realize these results conflict with "expert" info but this is REAL EXPERIENCE. SR
Hi, we're just starting and these videos were very helpful. I have a question though, I've looked high and low for feed wheat and can't find any. Where's a good place to shop?
Great video Dave, I have a question, can you help? I have 6 dogs (not by choice they were strays with no home) How can I affordably provide for them in the long run? We go through nearly a 50 lb bag a week, is there alternatives? I'm worried about my ability to feed them too, it would break my heart if I couldnt.
I'm getting two years on cheap dry dog food placed in clean barrels. The top 1 inch was WHITE but I scooped that out and threw it into the pond for the fish. The rest of the dog food was fine and rotated well.
PLEASE HELP im still novice prepper..boguht alot of oatmeals in past month..must i vaccuum pack it immediatly ? its in airtight containers but i do not have a vacuum machine..and if i need to vacuum it immediatly can i buy one the small vacuums machines for 60$ and jsut use that? tyvm florida prepper
phatz631 1 week ago
can u use metal 5 gallon buckets that have lock down lids.they had metal parts in them.they didnt have any grease or oil or anything like that in them??????
dinker61 9 months ago
i bought some rice and beans about 2 years ago around the swine flue pandemic from lds cannery but i forgot about it and its been sitting on a shelf in the unsealed bag in the box and the beans in the sealed paper bags do you think the food is still good should to put it in mylar and bucket it or should i cut my losses ?
randomnoone 9 months ago
Where is the best place to get mylar bags and O2 absorbers? Thanks
Izaana030505 11 months ago
For a family of 4, how long will a 5 gallon bucket last? Thanks!
YouMockMe 11 months ago
THANKS for you video. just starting -- UGH!
Is it possible to store:
1. oil/canola oil?
2. reg. canned goods like tomatoe sauce
3. spices in their containers?
4. shampoos/toothpaste, etc? do they need to be sealed
i saw manufacturer expiration dates as far as 2012 (liquid goods)... didn't want to prch mass quantities if they will die out quickly... THANKS in advance! :)
2worried 1 year ago
Wolverines!!!!!!
Ficker2 1 year ago
Great and informative.
Thanks much for the onfo!!
MrGruger4570 1 year ago
um....dry ice is co2. if you use dry ice and all of the air is displaced with co2 there will be NO oxidation as there is no oxygen
ChetRBiggerstaff 1 year ago
Isn't the feed store stuff GMO?
Does anyone know a good place to get NON-GMO grains 4 cheap?
disclosurenow9 1 year ago
@disclosurenow9 Hi: yes many feed grains ARE GMO; get organic feed for your stock.
Grow your own feed if you can using NON-GMO SEEDS. responsible technology
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non gmo project org. some very shocking info can be found. good on u.
pinkginger09 11 months ago
Very cool heard about you through sootch00
ijsaenz 1 year ago
When I seal my mylar bags with oxygen packs, some obviously removed all the air, some still have air. All have been packed at the same time. How can I assure a good seal? I use a hair straightening iron to seal the bags, I sealed the bags with a 2" seal. Are the bags that still have air, good to store or should I repack them? Thank you :)
bliss1121 1 year ago
@bliss1121 Shouldn't be a problem, as long as you have a good seal. "Dave in Idaho"
SurvivalReport 1 year ago
Ive always been told to FREEZE flour before you store it. The flour does come with eggs already in it, so if you freeze the flour it kills the eggs and the bugs can't hatch.
sc00b3rt 1 year ago
@sc00b3rt Your gonna find as I did 15 or so years ago that it's a waste to store flour LONG TERM. Whole wheat is cheaper, more versatile, better for you and stores better. "Dave in Idaho"
SurvivalReport 1 year ago
Bugs in my rice? Its now protein enriched!
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SurvivalReport 1 year ago
Can you use reglaur storage containers of plastic, like the ones you get at IKEA, to store the mylar bags?! Does it have to be "food grade"?
simenfd 1 year ago
@simenfd yes you can use totes,buckets,boxes etc as long as you are using mylar bags. The container just "holds" the mylar/food bag.
delta69alpha 1 year ago 4
@delta69alpha hey where do i buy mylar liners and can you give me wrighten instrution on food storage
tinenine1 1 year ago
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simenfd 1 year ago
just like every body else, we at my house have gotten soft. i dont think plopping down a bowl of wheat grain in front of the kids is going to go over to well. can i like get some rice, beans, processed flower or corn meal and put as much as i can in a mylar bag and seal it the way you have shown?
lanesteele240 1 year ago
this is the best video i have ever seen mate. great video thanks god bless
chuckie000111 1 year ago
very informative, thank you.
MrMitch84ism 1 year ago
Do you think it would be ok to mix all of the dried ingredients together and then store it in a Mylar bag with an Oxygen absorber for long term storage.
Thanks
Rich
1812collector 1 year ago
We get multi packs of crisps ( potato chips) in a bag that is some sort of "metallic plastic." I assume that they do this because it is impermeable. Is this some type of Mylar, or does it have a similar effect ? The advantage is that we throw away a couple of these every week.
romanbrough 1 year ago
survivalism has grown in numbers of people in the past few years. The only thing is, they don't realize that the standard of living is going to drop in America for about 10 years and then we're going to get into a new "tech" culture with a whole new job market. Things will get bad, then they'll get better. The distrubution of wealth will get redistributed, population will level out, there will be no collapse, only a reduced standard of living.
mycatisromeo 1 year ago
What is the best source for the plastic buckets?
krazzzz2000 1 year ago
can somebody tell me how to storage eggs for 6 months ?
mdsr2002 1 year ago
get freeze-dried powdered egg whites in #10 cans.
mycatisromeo 1 year ago
what is the reason your storing food? bad weather?
brumster01 2 years ago
Great videos. I'm using the information to prepare my family. I appreciate your sharing of information.
OSUFess 2 years ago
Great video but clearly you didn't research the way and whgy old timers used dry ice. Done right Dry ice displaces the o2. It is more difficult, and I would guess costly but it was effective in the day.
Tabooga65 2 years ago
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snitchboy12 2 years ago
Love the Red Dawn music! LOL!! Really enjoying your videos and learning a lot. Thanks!
bohdimlh 2 years ago
Great video!
Rockholm66 2 years ago
what are oxigen absorbers¿
aparatoso1 2 years ago
have you ever opened a container you just bought from the store and you see a little white package everyone allways pulls out and throws away with what fell like little balls or rocks?
knightofirish79 2 years ago
I LOVE THE LAUNDRY VIDEO!!!!
rosrychaplet 2 years ago
red dawn tune love it and what you have shown keep it up
lostcreeksurvival 2 years ago
I found it easier to stock up on canned goods and many many cases of MRE's
TexasDistortion 2 years ago
It might seem easier now, but in 5 years when some of those wet packed cans have to be thrown out, it won't be easy then. 99% of folks do not rotate like they should and will have waste with using wet packed cans. With dehydrated your paying LESS (your not buying water weight) and the product stores for DECADES as we prove here. For most people who will not rotate correctly, this is the best option.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago 5
Yes, like when i said cases of MRE's...
TexasDistortion 2 years ago
You mentioned "canned goods" also, which is why I replied. Good luck.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
True True, Canned good and other random pantry foods will always be eaten first. Theres always backyard squirrels i suppose
TexasDistortion 2 years ago
What if your wheat and rice is 8 months old without packing? And what if your bags are 7 mils ? Too thick? What's the approach? Thanks,
skatav8 2 years ago
Pack it sooner, don't let it sit around for months before packing if at all possible. In some areas of the country you will get bugs in it fairly quick.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago 2
Let's assume a person can't back 8 months up, sooo, what if your wheat or rice is already 8 months old and not been packed? What would be the approach to safe storage in 7 mil bags with O2 absorbers? Won't the absorbers kill any bugs?
Thanks,
skatav8 2 years ago
I would go through the grains very carefully and VERY SOON before summer heat gets much worse (not sure where you are at). Your call as to pitch or pack would be based on the condition of the grains. Grains that are being eaten will have a fine dust, almost like sawdust everywhere and you MAY see damage to the individual grains. YOUR CALL then to pitch or pack. If you decide to pack, use the methods we show here and think about checking them in six months.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
It's been in a humid area for 3 months. It'sonly 6 months old, I've found. Opened a BAG of hard white wheat, poured into a clean white bucket to another clean white bucket and found some chaff and minor amount of fine dust. It's hard to believe there wouldn't be any when fresh, but I know very little. Is there a method to save?--to KILL pests that might be there? Freezing for days? Sell it & replace? I'm a rookie. Did I hear one video say the bugs are probably there when you buy it? Thanks again
skatav8 2 years ago
Yes their will be some dust and chaff, that's totally normal. You could freeze it. I would just pack it, double up on the absorbers and check it in six months. If their isn't multitudes of visible bugs and you pack in a oxygen free environment, you should be alright. Next time, just pack sooner :)
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
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People eat food diatomaceous earth on a daily basis for it's health benefits. We have used several bags of food grade DE in our long term food storage form different companies and no where do they warn of inhaling the dust. DE acts as a desiccant, removing moisture form the packed food as well as natural insect control. Have you researched DE before you made these comments?
naccibobacci 2 years ago
Yes it has been researched. Yes it is a inhalation hazard(simple google search shows that for both pool grade and food grade DE ) YES, None of the major LTS food processing plants use DE in their "super pails" or #10 cans for LTS.
So, people can pack like the major food packers or go with questionable means . If you personally feel safe using FOOD GRADE DE, then by all means do so. Some people like to freeze their grains before storage, it's not wrong but i dont advise to do it.
D69A
delta69alpha 2 years ago 2
No professional packing house uses DE, that ought to tell us something. Folks USED TO think DDT was good for their gardens also..... Never heard the claim that DE "acts as a desiccant", that's interesting. So what does it do with the moisture it absorbs?
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
@naccibobacci The wikipedia page on DE showed it as an "inhalation hazard". It really boils down to the fact that if you use your head and pack properly you don't NEED IT. If you get fresh grains, DON'T let them sit around for six months before packing and use the professional methods we have shown, you WON'T NEED D.E. In 24 years of storing food and using it daily, I have yet to open one properly packed bucket and find bug problems.
SurvivalReport 1 year ago
bay leafs deter insects due to the smell. weevils, roaches, ants adn so on, hate the smell of it
miller4546 2 years ago
In the other results movies we show that these methods do not work.
D69A
delta69alpha 2 years ago
In our other results movies we show that these methods do not work.
D69A
delta69alpha 2 years ago
@delta69alpha really appreciate this, i have opened a bucket from 95, and you are right. i am now ....changing my ways.
miller4546 1 year ago
@miller4546 Glad the info has helped. Also great work packing even back then!!Stay safe. D69A
delta69alpha 1 year ago
@miller4546 An old wives tale. I can tell you how many buckets I've opened with flour, quick oats, grits packed with bay leaves (no mylar or absorbers, early 90's stuff) that were just teeming with bugs.
SurvivalReport 1 year ago
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If you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
colebeep 2 years ago
I second that. I'd love to hear about the deterioration of food quality and taste over time.
If you're storing for preparedness, then who cares. If you're storing for cost savings, then an immediate concern.
crock703 2 years ago
Like the music... that film called Red Dawn. with Patrick Swayze!!!! What about water?
sim0b 2 years ago
Thanks for the video...i learned so much..!
nightwing1979 2 years ago
I have a book that recommends using dry ice to seal the container. it says to pack everything you need in your container and then put some dry ice in and set the lid on top (not closed) and the dry ice will push the oxygen out and after about 30 minutes, seal the lid, and when the dry ice vapors wear off, the container will have a suction to it. is this true? thanks
levsmith 2 years ago
Watch the video and the part about dry ice.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
Just a question from a beginner....Might be stupid but here goes........Wouldn't it be better to get a green hose set up and pack away some seeds?
If you've got enough land you can also raise some Pigs,cows etc for the meat......
wastedwhiteguy6978 2 years ago
You need to do that ALSO. However can you feed yourself out of your garden YEAR round? Most of us cannot. Also, gardening is a LOT harder than people realize. You need them both. Farmers always used to keep enough to get them to the harvest the following year.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
If the volcano under Yellowstone explodes, so much ash will be in the atmosphere that it will be like a so-called nuclear winter. Plants won't grow. Animals won't live long without massive intervention when plants die, so hunting and gardening will not be available, unless you're growing mushrooms - they don't need sun. I don't know if the ash washing out of the atmosphere when it rains will kill them because of acidity. Anyone, man cannot live by mushroom alone.
stillwaterguy04 2 years ago
good vid. i added bayleaves to all my ducttapped containers and buckets. that keeps bugs out. check it out.
ironhead41 2 years ago
Check out some of the later results movies we have that show the bugs alive in buckets with bay leaves.
Bob
delta69alpha 2 years ago
Hi, did the bugs grow naturally from the food or did they get in somehow. Would sealing the closed rim of the bucket with duct tape help from bugs getting in? thanks
D33Lux 2 years ago
They are already in there when you purchase them for the most part. This set of movies and the other parts are aimed at showing folks that unless you make the container air/water tight you will still have issues with bugs. The other movies show that even indoors ( HVAC controlled) , in sealed buckets and in duct taped "jugs", with "herbs"( bay/garlic/etc) you can still get bugs! IMHO mylar bags and O2 absorbers cure most if not all these issues for LTS.
delta69alpha 2 years ago
Thanks brother great vids! You're a good man for doing these videos and helping the FREEDOM of the people. WOLVERINES!
D33Lux 2 years ago
question i have regular store bought flour is this a good way to store longterm or should i get hard red or white wheat and store that and grind it as needed
whusgood 2 years ago
Whusgood- store whole wheat instead of flour, it's cheaper, will last longer and is more versatile.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
thanks appreciate it i went and bought 200lbs of regular flour but now im going to order hard red wheat thanks and i put bowtie pasta in 5gal mylar bags and it rips the bags any suggestions
whusgood 2 years ago
Use better bags or leave the absorbers out. Don't expect good results from the flour. I've pitched hundreds of lbs. of it over the years due to bugs. It seems to come from the factory with them....
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
i get my bags from usa emergency storage can u refer a better place to order and thanks a bunch
whusgood 2 years ago
ShopSimplerliving with a dot and a com after it. Good prices, quick service and they've been around a while.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
thanks much appreciation
whusgood 2 years ago
What if I'm out of mylar bags and buckets now, I've got three bags of feed store purchased wheat left. Can I throw the three on top of each other in a big rubbermaid plastic bin and wrap duct tape around the lid on for a bug proof seal? Since it's wheat I wouldn't have to worry about oxidation as much right? Thanks guys!
1750621 3 years ago
Easy answer- order more mylars :)
I wouldn't expect the ducttape/rubbermaid thing to work long term unless your in a very bug FREE area.
SurvivalReport 2 years ago
Someone was asking more about why not use dry ice-
1. It can be dangerous to work with.
2. It's hard to find. May raise eyebrows when purchased.
3. Does NOT provide a long term oxygen barrier-
Think about it, you cannot use dry ice with a mylar liner. So essentially you are just FUMIGATING your grains, that's ALL. A plastic bucket by ITSELF is NOT a long term oxygen barrier. Look at this video where we show the oxidated rice. That rice wouldn't be that way if the bucket protected against -
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
If the bucket itself was a true long term oxygen barrier the rice would NOT have showed the oxidation.
So what DOES dry ice do? It is a FUMIGANT, it will kill any bugs in your grains. Yes it does displace the oxygen in the bucket at the time you pack it, but since the bucket is NOT a long term oxygen barrier over the long term you WILL have oxidation of the food. And THAT is why most people even dinosaurs like myself don't bother with dry ice anymore! "Dave in Idaho"
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
feed wheat here in australia ... would be wheat that has had a lot of rain just before harvest causing it to shoot in the head ... shot and sprung ... you could still boil and eat it ... but not much good for flour bread making
stimulater7 3 years ago
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I don't know about wheat, but I'm pretty sure feed corn is almost inedible, in regards to human consumption. Its pretty much used for corn syrup and animal feed. Shoot, its almost inedible for the cows too, stomach ulcers and all.
bishonenboy 3 years ago
Did farmers start planting two fields of corn now? One with "inedible" corn and one with "edible" corn? Cornmeal comes from where? A sterile laboratory? :)
SurvivalReport 3 years ago 5
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Yes, they do. Its called feed corn. They are different crops harvested at different times.
DocGorilla 3 years ago
I believe your confusing "field" corn with "feed". FIELD corn is the grain type corn- aka dent corn, used for cornmill, grits, hominy, etc. There is also "sweet" corn which is the vegetable type corn- think "corn on the cob" that you buy so cheap in the summer (cause it's in season then). Think about it- would a farmer LIMIT THE MARKET FOR HIS PRODUCT by planting something that could ONLY be used/sold in one venue? Doesn't make sense does it?
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
I know someone who grew up on a wheat farm in the Midwest. I asked him what feed wheat grain was & he said he never heard of it!! I showed him your video and he said humans can eat it, that it probably it just not of the same quality (bugs, moisture, animal droppings, hair etc). As long as it works for someone, I say save the money. I watched all of your videos. THANKS! Can you recommend some great books? Im just starting out. Any suggestions where I can buy 100% organic online??
voyerist1 3 years ago
Chickens doing the free range thing is best. Bugs/other living things plus all that organic matter makes good eggs with darker yolk. Chicken Tractor on YouTube. Good ideas to keep them protected from predators and easy to move. Free Range = Free Food :O)
dlm579 3 years ago
Survivalreport, I need your help, what do I ask for by way of "which grain" to plant if I want to make white bread, I find this very confusing, and also if we are getting a few chickens for eggs what food and how much is needed to store for egglayers...is there anything inparticular? Hard kerneled corn, can they just "free range"?
I want to grow the grains I need to make bread but my husband and I arent crazy about wheat but do want a whiter bread, is this possible?
KARStarla 3 years ago
Not sure if I fully understand the question but here goes- "White" bread is made from white flour which is milled wheat where they have taken the germ, bran out (most nutritious parts). Now those parts usually go to animal feed and the remaining is BLEACHED white and sold as white flour. It is so stripped that the FDA MAKES THEM add pack vitamins A and D! That's where white flour comes from. On the chickens- free range is probably your best bet but look also at keeping some grains as well- cont
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Chickens typically lay better with "some" grains. I've raised chickens since 94-95 and found this to be true for ME. We store the layer crumbles but also give our chickens grains and legumes that we grow as well as LTS stuff that went bad or the container failed. Don't forget a source of grit if they are penned up. Do that answer your questions?
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Thank you so much Survivalreport! Yes mostly, may I ask white grain (by name) to order to make the "closest thing" to white bread...Is it hard red or...I'm not sure what to ask for (though I know you just told me about the wheat germ being removed and it wont be if I grow it) I just cant figure out what to start with, like most americans I never thought to ask.
And "grit" for the chickens, whats "that"?
Is cracked corn good for them too?
Your a gem, thanks for your patience
KARStarla 3 years ago
Cracked corn is fine. If they aren't out scratching at the ground they need grit and calcium. Feed store will have ground oyster shells which are good for this. There is "white wheat" IIRC. We've only ever really used soft spring and hard red winter. Good luck! Thanks for watching!
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Thanks... hey... would I be a big pain in the butt asking what is "white wheat" IIRC ??
Its been an entire year just trying to find out what Im to order and I'm sorta dumb to this stuff, its been a journey of roadbloacks just to figure out what I need... Ishould just stick to rice I'm thinking cause I dont think I'll ever get this before the shit hits the fan
KARStarla 3 years ago
I have always been a mom who has always felt the need 2 stock up, but just recently have started taking it seriously and want to learn to do it right.My question is how do foods hold up in long term cold weather you sayed that your food was in extreme heat,but I dont have alot of room in my home but have plenty of room in my garage.Last year we had 4 mnths of warm weather verses 8 mnths cold (thats what it felt like anyway)I know dry foods shld be ok,but what about other food stuff like canned
Fancypants4569 3 years ago
I have pails of wheat, barley, and soybean with original storage date reading 1972. 37 years. It is all still good. Was packed in plastic bags inside 6 gallon pails only and stored in an attic then a barn for last 10 years. My recycle program for spoiled food storage is called chickens
dlm579 3 years ago
Great job! Yep, whole grains and legumes should last a LOOOONNNG TIME! Great investment against famine and hard times.
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Do you know where I can find information on the exact food items I need for a good food storage program for my family of 4 (two under 4yrs old)? These videos are great! I do feel a bit overwhelmed and I don't even know where to start. I'm a beginner and have considered purchasing it pre-packed (efoodsdirect)but if I can do it better and cheaper that's what I would like to do. Any advice? Resources you would recommend?
camorgan 3 years ago
SurvivalreportDOTnet volumes 60 and 61 go over a good intro food supply that you can DIY.
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
I've been watching your videos and think they are great. I have a question. A lot of people online go on and on about the moisture content of the grains and how dry they should be when you pack food. Is it really that important. I saw one test that said grains and beans should 'shatter' when you hit them with a hammer. Mine sort of just flatten out. How big of a deal do you think it makes in the long run? Thanks.
chocolateeyes21 3 years ago
Moisture content is very important for long term storage. Rice, beans and such that you buy from the store is going to be just fine for putting up not longer after you purchase them. You don't want to keep ANYTHING sitting around for six months before packing it. As far as yours "flattening out" what precisely does that? There is a stage, called the "milk stage" of wheat where when you press on the kernal it juices- that's NOT where you want to store it at.
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
I looked up milk stage and that's not it. No liquid is coming out. What happens is some kernels literally shatter into dust (or I guess flour, in this case) and others more or less get crushed with a little powder/flour. Some split. Is this dry enough or is there something I should do to dry it out further. Thank for answering my question.
chocolateeyes21 3 years ago
I should NOT flatten out- I wouldn't store it in that state. Do you have a grain grinder? If so grind some and see if it "gums" up- sure sign of too much moisture. In general, if you can press your thumbnail into a kernal and NOT have it make a mark, it's dry enough to store. You could also take a small batch to a grain mill and have them test for moisture, protein content, etc.
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Thanks! Once again you provide very practical and easy to understand advice. I appreciate it.
chocolateeyes21 3 years ago
oh, i said on another comment about how great a video would be about what guns are best for survival and HOW much ammo should be on hand. Another question I have is about all my ARMY gear. It is about 10 years old held in my big azz green bag. Should I store them in a way to preserve them? Thx guys!
john67elco 3 years ago
OK, let's clarify a few things. 1. No food was "wasted"- we don't waste storage food. We eat storage food on a DAILY basis. Besides people with real long term experience with storage food KNOW that it will not go "poooff" when you open the container. My family is using some of this food now and some of the P.A.W. crew took some of it home also. Nothing was "wasted." 2. No where did anyone say dry ice "didn't work",It was stated that it wasn't advised "for the novice packer."
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
3. This food was not stored in "Idaho", in case you haven't figured it out, the Idaho and Tyrone things are inside jokes ;) Food was stored in Florida and Georgia in an outside metal building- no air conditioning. 4. Again on the "feed wheat" issue- boy that's getting old... We made it abundantly clear that we are not "advising" people to store feed wheat. Once again and hopefully for the last time, that's a PERSONAL CHOICE. We just cannot find regular wheat LOCALLY so we use it. Dave
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Finally, it isn't rocket science to realize that these couple of cans and buckets are NOT all this family has in storage. Think about it. Food is constantly being used and constantly be replaced- the way it should be done. This wasn't overlooked or forgotten food, this was where they are currently in there rotation cycle. Small amounts of food = quick rotation, larger amounts in storage take more time to rotate. I realize these results conflict with "expert" info but this is REAL EXPERIENCE. SR
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Hi, we're just starting and these videos were very helpful. I have a question though, I've looked high and low for feed wheat and can't find any. Where's a good place to shop?
tialeanne79 3 years ago
Feed stores in rural areas might carry it. It seems to be a regional thing. Dave in ID
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Great video Dave, I have a question, can you help? I have 6 dogs (not by choice they were strays with no home) How can I affordably provide for them in the long run? We go through nearly a 50 lb bag a week, is there alternatives? I'm worried about my ability to feed them too, it would break my heart if I couldnt.
Any thoughts?
KARStarla 3 years ago
I'm getting two years on cheap dry dog food placed in clean barrels. The top 1 inch was WHITE but I scooped that out and threw it into the pond for the fish. The rest of the dog food was fine and rotated well.
SurvivalReport 3 years ago
Another great video. Oh no you didn't bust out the Red Dawn lol!
vonhismean 3 years ago
Thank you for comment. yeah, figured we need'd to spice up things.
"You think you're tough for eating beans every day? "
;)
again Thank you for the comment.
The crew @ PAW
delta69alpha 3 years ago