If any heavies got in this situation on the bridge 1v1, the minigun would win. You purposely make the tomislav shoot first because well it's made to ambush with it's low rev time, but on a 1v1 fight where both guns are revved and shoot at the same time, minigun with always win.
@GodlyLuigi The Tomislav shoots first because that's its upside. You're basically telling me that I should ignore the Tomislav's upside (faster rev speed) when comparing the two guns. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to put out a video showing a gun that has a slower firing rate kills things slower than one with a faster firing rate.
I just showed you that 1v1 on a bridge the Tomislav would win in this specific example, when both Heavies hold down M1 at the same time.
@Tzacharu123 I didn't make the Tomi heavy shout first to add some idea of ambushing to the situation. This is straight up, two heavies hold M1 at the same time facing each other. The Tomislav Heavy wins because he has a faster rev speed, which overcomes the Minigun's firing rate.
I like this video but I would like to see it repeated with a medic on both sides since it is also a common scenario in-game and one in which the tomislav might not do as well in. Also you should do the Brass Beast vs. Tomislav for the lulz >_>
This testing is inaccurate and doesn't show an accurate game scenario, unless you think heavies are herply derp I'll melee that other heavy with my minigun. (Heavies that have a medic do this however)
@MindlessElectrons This isn't supposed to simulate game scenarios. In a real game scenario the Tomislav Heavy would win even more because he would be able to leave the fight quicker where his advantage is less severe. There isn't much more to the Heavy than point and click, and the only other part of it really is positioning, which the Tomislav Heavy is more prone to win because he can change positions more quickly.
How exactly is it innacurate other than to showing ingame scenarios?
@Tzacharu123 Good heavies use the minigun, there isn't a scenario where a good heavy dies to a tomislav heavy without some outside help via assist or distraction. If that happens then the tomislav is doing it's job, ambush and surprise.
Tomislav stats are garbage, most people who die to it are scrubs.
@MindlessElectrons Typical attitude of someone that disregards any evidence what-so-ever and goes instead with their biased experiences and selective memory.
i call bs the minigun heavy is firing a sec or two slower than the tomislav that is spin up time the mingun has to take so do it with a spun up tomi and minigun at the same time i think the results will very
@MrAltereg0 You call BS that the Tomislav is working as functioned? Also please use periods, I guess what you meant by that.
Of course the Tomislav will be beaten by the Minigun if the Tomislav started firing at the same time as the Minigun. However, the Tomislav has an upside (fast rev speed), while the Minigun has an upside (more damage) so why should I ignore one upside? This video proves that a Tomislav can beat a Minigun if both Heavies have the same reaction time.
@MrAltereg0 The intention of this video was to show people that a Minigun Heavy does not counter a Tomislav Heavy, which is the argument I saw a lot on SPUF. I also used this video to show the Tomislav kills quicker than any other gun in the game (the former was the Minigun). I prove absolutely nothing by making the Heavies shooting bullets at each other at the same time, other than that the Tomislav's DPS debuff is working as intended.
When you teleport yourself, you have to give x, y, and z coordinates. In the first test, you will see (if you fullscreen and 720p the video) that I am at 0 -50 z (z doesn't matter in this case, we're on the same bridge). So I teleported the bot to 0 50 z. So, assuming there's no bugging in the code, we are 100 HU away from each other.
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GlamEye 1 week ago
I don't know what it is about the tomislav that I love so much, it is so much better for me.
Wtfam1lookingat 1 week ago
what hud is this
MOUPIMOUPI 1 month ago
Can you do Flamethrower vs. Shotgun and Backburner? My friends won't listen to me about the flamethrower being weak
marcster1994 1 month ago
Do the ol' wind up in a jump around a corner. More than likely makes minigun a lil better.
KITabyssinian 2 months ago
If any heavies got in this situation on the bridge 1v1, the minigun would win. You purposely make the tomislav shoot first because well it's made to ambush with it's low rev time, but on a 1v1 fight where both guns are revved and shoot at the same time, minigun with always win.
GodlyLuigi 3 months ago
@GodlyLuigi The Tomislav shoots first because that's its upside. You're basically telling me that I should ignore the Tomislav's upside (faster rev speed) when comparing the two guns. That doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to put out a video showing a gun that has a slower firing rate kills things slower than one with a faster firing rate.
I just showed you that 1v1 on a bridge the Tomislav would win in this specific example, when both Heavies hold down M1 at the same time.
Tzacharu123 3 months ago 8
@Tzacharu123 I didn't make the Tomi heavy shout first to add some idea of ambushing to the situation. This is straight up, two heavies hold M1 at the same time facing each other. The Tomislav Heavy wins because he has a faster rev speed, which overcomes the Minigun's firing rate.
Tzacharu123 3 months ago
@Tzacharu123 tomislav shoots bullets too slow
CONKER17 6 days ago
Good video, but you should make a Tomislav+Medic vs Minigun+Medic video.
akadewboy 3 months ago
I like this video but I would like to see it repeated with a medic on both sides since it is also a common scenario in-game and one in which the tomislav might not do as well in. Also you should do the Brass Beast vs. Tomislav for the lulz >_>
soulindiablo 3 months ago 5
U attack all too early
Masterchief1170n 3 months ago
@Masterchief1170n Because that is the Tomislav's point, it attacks faster. Does anyone understand what the point of this video is?
Tzacharu123 3 months ago
This testing is inaccurate and doesn't show an accurate game scenario, unless you think heavies are herply derp I'll melee that other heavy with my minigun. (Heavies that have a medic do this however)
MindlessElectrons 4 months ago
@MindlessElectrons This isn't supposed to simulate game scenarios. In a real game scenario the Tomislav Heavy would win even more because he would be able to leave the fight quicker where his advantage is less severe. There isn't much more to the Heavy than point and click, and the only other part of it really is positioning, which the Tomislav Heavy is more prone to win because he can change positions more quickly.
How exactly is it innacurate other than to showing ingame scenarios?
Tzacharu123 4 months ago
@Tzacharu123 Good heavies use the minigun, there isn't a scenario where a good heavy dies to a tomislav heavy without some outside help via assist or distraction. If that happens then the tomislav is doing it's job, ambush and surprise.
Tomislav stats are garbage, most people who die to it are scrubs.
MindlessElectrons 4 months ago
@MindlessElectrons And I say the exact opposite. Here we are, disagreeing with each other. One has facts on his side, the other does not.
Tzacharu123 3 months ago
@Tzacharu123 Except I'm right and your wrong. End of discussion.
MindlessElectrons 3 months ago
@MindlessElectrons Typical attitude of someone that disregards any evidence what-so-ever and goes instead with their biased experiences and selective memory.
Tzacharu123 3 months ago
i call bs the minigun heavy is firing a sec or two slower than the tomislav that is spin up time the mingun has to take so do it with a spun up tomi and minigun at the same time i think the results will very
MrAltereg0 4 months ago
@MrAltereg0 You call BS that the Tomislav is working as functioned? Also please use periods, I guess what you meant by that.
Of course the Tomislav will be beaten by the Minigun if the Tomislav started firing at the same time as the Minigun. However, the Tomislav has an upside (fast rev speed), while the Minigun has an upside (more damage) so why should I ignore one upside? This video proves that a Tomislav can beat a Minigun if both Heavies have the same reaction time.
Tzacharu123 4 months ago
@MrAltereg0 The intention of this video was to show people that a Minigun Heavy does not counter a Tomislav Heavy, which is the argument I saw a lot on SPUF. I also used this video to show the Tomislav kills quicker than any other gun in the game (the former was the Minigun). I prove absolutely nothing by making the Heavies shooting bullets at each other at the same time, other than that the Tomislav's DPS debuff is working as intended.
Tzacharu123 4 months ago
What HUD is that? O:
R3dnax31a 4 months ago
@R3dnax31a It's the 4MP version of Garm3n Hud.
Tzacharu123 4 months ago
Why does Mr. Minigun heavy only have 200 HP?
yokokuramaful 5 months ago
@yokokuramaful He doesn't. He has 300.
Tzacharu123 5 months ago
So a minigum Heavy will win... if he is sniping.
Grandy12 5 months ago
When you teleport yourself, you have to give x, y, and z coordinates. In the first test, you will see (if you fullscreen and 720p the video) that I am at 0 -50 z (z doesn't matter in this case, we're on the same bridge). So I teleported the bot to 0 50 z. So, assuming there's no bugging in the code, we are 100 HU away from each other.
Tzacharu123 5 months ago
op now how did u measure hammer units in game?
ninijacob 5 months ago