also, as to the comment comparing Anne Boleyn to Eva Peron-- there are no similarities. Eva chased Peron, Henry chased Anne.Eva was intimate with many men, Anne probably only with two. Anne honestly gave to charity, Eva pretended to love the poor and fooled them Anne protected many roformers.Eva helped destroy her country. And Anne didn't harbor murderers! TBC
@GoddessofCoruscant Yes, Anne was nasty to Katharine and Mary, but Eva was nasty to entire groups of people which is MUCH worse. I know I shouldn't say this on a KOA video, but Anne wasn't the demon KOA supporters make her out to be. She wasn't a saint either. But to compare her to Evita-- a dictator who destroyed her country-- is laughable and insulting.
Absolutely elegant. Thank you. Choosing the BBC series to help create your fine video was brilliant, I should like to think that Katherine certainly smiled from where ever she is and shouted, well done, Annette Crosby, you played me magnificently"!
Not one of the children of Ferdinand and Isabella had luck.
Juan, Maria and Isabella died young.
Juana became mad (I've got doubts about that) and they put her for the rest of her life in a nunnery. And then our poor Katherina. All their children were cursed.
@gapeachjessica I do too. However, Catherine can't do anything to or for anyone now. The poor woman is dead. I think the people that come onto videos and spam their hatred towards Anne Boleyn should focus their hatred on governments and regimes that are hurting people now. I know I've said some bad things about Mary, but I realize that I've been wasting my energy. Instead, I'm now fighting against injustices going on in the world today.
not really. There have been saints in all eras of history and certainly her virtues in the face of great hardships would confirm that judgement. The rest I leave to the Church.
I would...a saint and a martyr for her strength, courage and the love for her daughter and adulterous husband, though little did he deserve it. I'm a prouder still to be a Spaniard because of her.
You don't have to perform miracles to be a martyr. A martyr is someone who died fighting for what they believed was right and did it with courage.I think that for all that she fought for fits her perfectly into that title, don't you think?
Joan of Arc is a saint and she didn't perform miracles. She spoke to God and kept to her faith fighting a cause for her country.She was a saint and a martyr.Katherine's deep Faith and conviction should make her one. I do agree with you on that point. She's definitely a martyr in my book.
there're times I wonder if Katherine is too good for Henry VIII. after all, she was meant for the late Arthur whom everyone asumed him to take over as King not Henry...
OMG, ALL of his wives were too good for him- even Jane Seymour, whom I despise. Arthur shouldn't have died, Anne should have married Percy, Jane should have married Will Dormer, Catherine Howard should have married Culpepper, etc., etc, etc!
Catherine was a very strong Queen in my opinion, I do like Anne Boleyn, but i admit it was not fair what Henry did to Catherine after how long they were married. She was indeed very strong Queen Of England.
Thsi video is amazing, a wonderful tribute t o ana amazing Queen. Catalina was such ana amazing woman wo deserved SO MUCH better. Maybe Arthur would have been a better husband - it wouldn't be hard to be better than Henry. She was betrayed by so many people her own husband, lady-in-waiting, father, and duenna among them.
yes a pitty that she was the youngest daughter of Isabella I , she could be a great queen for Spain and the world in those times....and the poor Joan , was the heiress of an empire that she cannot rules
Yeah, I was traveling over the holidays, and have been busy upon returning....but I'm still making a point to at least participate in the character elim game! ;)
Jane Seymour, Mary of Scots, Juana of Castilla,...etc there are many women in life who deserved better, I was just speaking in context related to te subject of this video, Katherine of Aragon. And I do truly believe had Katherine been treated better that Mary, Anne B, Kathryn H, and AoC would all have had happier lifes.
La mejor Reina que tubieron y quisieron los inglese.Enseño a ser rey al tarugo del marido , hasta que le dio por decapitar esposas, pero con esta Reina no pudo.Viva su Magestad La Reina Catalina de Aragon.
Lol, sorry I don't know if your from the UK or not lol, either way she was in a show called "One foot in the grave" which is what I saw her in first hence why I remember her as that lol!
wow. I think a song that fits their relationship better is Take a Bow by Madonna. "I've always been in love with you I guess you've always known it's true YOU TOOK MY LOVE FOR GRANTED WHY OH WHY this show is over say good bye." Henry really did take her love for granted- none of his other wives loved him.
I definately believe BBC's Six Wives had not only the most accuarate portrayals but the best actors. This is a beautiful tribute. Thank you! Anne Boleyn is my favorite I wish you'd do one for her too. But I almost cried watching Katherine here.
If I did an Anne tribute I would want to include Genevieve Bujold clips, as she was my favorite Anne portrayal, so it wouldn't be all BBC Six Wives...
I do have an idea though for a vid about Anne and Catherine using footage from their respective episodes that will be somewhat Anne-centric...
Thanks for your feedback though, I'm glad you liked it!
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video even if you don't like the person it's about much--I plan to make an Anne Boleyn vid as well (I assume you like her based on your username, lol), though I'd have to get a DVD copy of "Anne of the Thousand Days" (featuring my favorite Anne portrayal by Bujold) first....
I'm no Catherine fan=- I think her sad life is too close to the sadness in my life for her my own comfort- but it's nice to see a video that isn't made to the Tudors. I think Catherine was behind her time, whereas Anne was ahead of her time. I don't mean to diss Catherine, but she did have a sad life. I don't understand how she could stay with Henry, but maybe after time, she loved him and she was blind to what he'd become. Power corrupts is a saying that's certainly true!
Just because she still loved him in the end doesn't mean she was behind her times--it's possible that Anne still might have had love for Henry too even as he was sending her to the scaffold! If she was truly behind the times, she would not have thought a woman (ie her daughter) capable of ruling England, and nor would she have been such a capable ruler herself when Henry made her regent while fighting the French-a female ruling isn't behind the times! And she was just as well educated as Anne...
Thanks! I also forgot to say how she actually raised an army and went into the field while being region as a second back-up army against the Scots in the case of the first lines of defenses failing--which sounds pretty "ahead of her times" to me! ;)
Katherine did not go into the field nor did she raise the army. As regent she had been given the power to raise troops and make appointments however the Council did most of the organisation. Henry appointed the Earl of Surrey who won the day at the Battle of Flodden. Katherine instead made the banners and standards for the army. A later writer argued that she had made a speech to the troops but there is no contemporary evidence of this and Katherine never mentioned this.
Woops - I meant to say Katherine did not raise the army that fought at Flodden. She sent troops later but they were disbanded when news of the victory reached London.
I never said she did raise that particular army--I said she raised AN army, which she did--though it was the third line of defense only in the unlikely (but still possible) event that James VI's troops broke through the other 2 armies. And she did "take to the field" so to speak in that she marched out from Richmond with her army, as her parents used to do, though she never got anywhere near the battle of course-more than just making the standards and banners...
I don't believe that Catherine was "behind her time." If she had been a submissive woman, she would have simply simply granted Henry the divorce. But she knew that by granting him the divorce she would then declare her daughter a bastard and herself a whore. To be declared a whore and a bastard in the 16th century was a terrible thing. We can't even begin to imagine the stigma, and we aren't talking about just anyone, we're talking about the Queen. There was simply too much at stake.
Gladly! She was also ahead of her time because of the simple fact she believed a woman could be a successful Regnant, and was Queen Regent herself for five months, she also believe a oman could be involved and a part of war she was riding north to be with the army at the border when she heard bout Flodden and she made a speech to the English captains and they were apparently "fried by her words", she was also one of the few women who had much influence in running a country.
Henry would come to her and ask her opinion on almost everything to do with running the country for the first years of their marriage, and it was because of her education in women in England actually became fashionable and popular(another kind of micsellanous influence she had was she brought salad to England!)
Maybe Catherine thought of her relative Juana la Beltraneja who was declared a bastard and carried a tragic and sad life, deprived of a throne she always claimed. Until her death Juana signed "The Queen". What a thing, the Queen that was in the throne she claimed for was Isabel, Catherine of Aragon's mother.
King Henry IV of Castile,Catherine's uncle, had annulled his marriage to remarry. By his second wife he had a daughter: Juana. But it was said that Princess Juana was the daughter of the Queen and her lover Beltran de la Cueva, the girl was called "la Beltraneja" (a despective way to call her a Beltran's daughter) and declared a bastard. When her father died she was in the middle of fights to recover the throne. It went to the King's half sister: Catherine's mother.
It is so touching! Catherine is my favourite among Henry's wives because she had such strength and faith. What a shame that Henry treated her with such disrespect during the divorce.
I hope there will be more films or TV series focusing on her relationship/romance with Henry instead of just on Anne and Henry's story. Nevertheless, great video!
Thanks! I'd also really like to see more H/CofA-centric TV series episodes or movies as well--like if they made a movie version of Gregory's "Constant Princess" after the version of "The Other Boleyn Girl"....because her story is just as interesting as H/A's!
I agree. I love Gregory's writings (though only as fictions), especially "The Constant Princess". Despite its critics, I particularly like how Gregory differentiate Catherine's love for Henry and Arthur.
Are you sure? Both the Other Boleyn girl movies were rubbish (IMHO) Its like neither film maker bothered to read the book before they started making the picture I dont trust Hollywood to make it into a decent film If we could find someone with talent enough to adapt it into a good script They could do The Constant Princess & The Boleyn Inheritance too
I liked the Hollywood TOBG version, even if it didn't stick strictly to the book....I think one key thing though is length--they need to let movies be longer than 2 hours to adapt massive books....(though Constant Princess is much shorter than TOBG)...
Well, strange if you're not familiar with the 1970 BBC "Six Wives of Henry VIII" miniseries I suppose! ;) But thanks! I too think this song is just gorgeous....
Doña Catalina de Aragón era una mujer inteligente, culta y capaz. Fue educada esmeradamente por los mejores humanistas de la corte de los Reyes Católicos, Isabel y Fernando, al igual que sus tres hermanas y su hermano el príncipe Don Juan.
A su lado, Ana Bolena sólo era una cortesana ambiciosa, depravada y cruel. Española la una, inglesa la otra....
Ana Bolena fue una mujer adelantada a su época, ambiciosa, inteligente y con voluntad de acero. Madre de la mejor reina inglesa. Con una educación esmerada también.¿Sabías que las 6 esposas de Enrique descendían todas de un mismo monarca inglés?
Adelantada en que? en seducir a un hombre casado? pff si sumamente adelantada..
Adelantada fue Catalina, culta, y hasta guerrera como su madre, cuando Enrique estuvo en Francia, lucho contra los escoceces y los vencio y preparo a su hija para ser reina sin importar que fuera mujer.
Fue la primera mujer embajadora de la historia.
En que se supone que Ana Bolena fue mas adelantada? en bailar y vestirse a la moda..quizas..?
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Ana fue adelantada a su epoca. No solamente por la moda (ella introdujo el french hood, la cofia francesa, en Inglaterra) sino porque era una mujer que se atrevia a decir su punto de vista, hasta al mismo rey, logro conseguir ser reina en una epoca y una sociedad donde no estaba destinada para ello. Eligio su propio destino.
Huy que importante! introdujo la mode francesa en la corte inglesa! wow!!! que fashion! que mujer! realmente una mujer muy adelantada..jajaja..por favor...si necesito una abogada no te llamo porque no me liberan mas...
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No hay duda que Catalina tuvo sus meritos, habia sido educada y preparada para ello,pero personalmente me interesan mas biografias como las de Agnes Sorel, Anne de Etampes, Diane de Poitiers, Mary Vetsera, Eva Peron, Jean Harlow,Alfonsina Storni, Mata Hari que se reinvento a si misma y otras mas. La Bolena es la que mas me llama la atencion para leer auqnue creo que la mejor esposa para Enrique fue Jane Seymour, la ideal para el. Saludos cordiales y buen año.
@astrofabio68 you are a misogynist. You claim to be a feminist, but you give Anne all the credit for ruining Catherine and Mary's life, and Henry none of the blame. Both of them were at fault. Besides, Catherine is dead. She can't do anything to or for anyone now. Why not focus on the present and governments that are hurting people now, like sharia law?
@evaperonfan "Evaperon" de donde sacás que soy un misogino?????
solo porque me pongo del lado de una mujer justa y noble y no de una arribista barata?
haceme el favor andá a estudiar y despues veni a hablar de feminsinmo...
y ademas quien te dijo que estoy a favor de la Sharia?????????
He firmado y ayudado a organizaciones en mi pais ( Uruguay) contra la violencia de genero y a nivel internacional tambien..asi que antes de hablar estupideces, como buena argentina que sos, estudie m'hija
@astrofabio68 I say you are a misogynist because of your hatred for Anne and refusal to place any of the blame on Henry. You call Anne 'whore' and deride her for her treatment of Mary when Henry was ultimately the one that made the decisions. A Hispanic male cannot be a feminist, because misogyny is deeply rooted in Hispanic culture, and you are a prime example of that. You are also racist.
@evaperonfan waht do you know about hispanic culture if you are all ignorants like all the american people!
My country was an example of the advances of the women in all america ( including USA) learn please..you are racist nad very sick woman..you need medication, darling
@astrofabio68 I know plenty about hispanic culture, having studied it for 4 years. Misogyny is a deep part of it, and you cannot tell me otherwise. You are lying if you are telling me that Hispanic culture treats women better than Anglo culture, and I won't fall for it. Hispanic culture has high rates of domestic violence, has rigid gender roles, and general distrust and disrespect for women. TBC
@astrofabio68 It was the USA that started the first feminist movement in the Western H emisphere, in the 1800s. The intolerant racist one is you. I've been to several Hispanic countries. The disrespect I've seen for gays, women, and minorities is atrocious. I never said the USA was perfect. But we are more accepting by light years of women and our minorities and our gays than you are.
@evaperonfan in my country the gay people can adopt children and live in an civil union
the women votes for first time in 1928...and we have the two first women senators in all america including the Gerat USA the most evil empire in all history
using HAARP to change the weather and kill millions of inocent people around the world
And invading Iraq using lies..
shame on you if you defend your country always making war aoround the world "saving" the freedom and your economics interests
@astrofabio68 I guess you're right. I'm sorry for my ignorance. I'm going to kill myself now since that is the only way I can apologize for being AMerican.
@astrofabio68 You have upset my daughter with your post. She is easily swayed by the opinions of anyone and tends towards being depressed. Your view of the USA is quite annoyingly marxist and biased. There are multiple ways to look at history and if you choose to look at world history the way you do, then you make bizarre accusations about things like HAARP. TBC
@evaperonfan ppppffff what? hahaha now you use the manipulation..! hahaha typical american all happens to you because you are the victims of the entire world that envy the american dream..hahahaha ( health system in particular)...see Zeitgeist and then we talk..hahaha
you are pathetic...and I`m not marxisits because the marxism was another mass manipulation..hahaha I can`t stop laughing..and why do you show this adult message to your daughter ? you are not a responsable mother..I think hahaha
@astrofabio68 I note that you are all arguing about things that happened 500 years ago and can not be changed. I am adiving my daughter to leave this site as it triggers her depression.
@astrofabio68 gay people can adopt in most of the 50 states, not all of them i admit. women voted for the first time in 1920-the 19th amendment. and i think the first women senator was in 1894, she was from wyoming i believe. i don't even know what haarp is, i don't believe anyone is capable of doing that to the weather. i think global warming is due to world wide pollution. iraq was a farce, i do believe that. but we aren't the worst country in the world.
@astrofabio68 i am not naive, sorry. and gays can adopt in most states. i live in florida, and here they can't. i admitted that they couldn't in some states, and that includes the one i live in. i do admit to not knowing everything, but i also make a concerted effort to at least know what i am speaking of, before i open my mouth. and they probably did give women the vote, in order to count on their votes, as women are much more likely to vote than men are.
@tranurse just ignore him. He's very nasty and doesn't want to believe anything good about the USA. Not saying the USA is perfect-- we're not. We have a lot of blood on our hands. But I've travelled a lot in various parts of the world and we ARE very fortuante.
@tranurse thank you. some people just believe whatever they're told. And the woman you're thinking of is Jeannete Rankin. (not sure if I spelled her name right.) But some people are just downright nasty, and not worth your time.
@GoddessofCoruscant thanks, i could remember the jeanette part, but for the life of me, i couldn't think of her last name, and i was too lazy to look it up.
@astrofabio68 oh, and I'm not your 'darling.' We clearly disgaree, we're from diametrically opposed cultures, and I'm very glad to be in a culture that respects women and doesn't trap them into abusive relationships, virgin/whore complexes, and many other things. I'll say one final thing though-- at least you're not making your women live under sharia-- yet.
@evaperonfan I recomend you change your nick because Eva peron was the lover of Peron and use her sex to have power, and she was a fascist who give passports to the nazis to come to Argentina...an example of a great woman..like Anne bolein..hahaha
you are so ignorant..
You culture is only more hypocrital about the women rol..just that..
you a re a little girl when you become in a real woman with independ thougts ..then we talk..
@astrofabio68 I do have my own opinions and I've formed them from years of study. You have your opinion of Anne, I have mine. And i have no interest in forming a friendship with someone who disrespects me, my gender, and my culture.
@astrofabio68 and Katharine of Aragon wasn't exactly a saint either. She taught Mary to hate Protestants. But since you think killing Protestants is ok, I guess that's fine by you! And besides, I'm not even Argentine, I'm an American with Anglo Saxon and Nordic roots.
@astrofabio68 WHAT? Where did you pull Hitler out of? I do not support Hitler and I find what he did despicable. I pointed to my heritage because you assumed I was Argentine.I called you racist because you constantly downgrade England on every video I've seen, without any recognition for the crimes of the Hispanic world. No one country is innocent. And people wonder why I have so little respect for Katharine's fans...
@astrofabio68 and you talk about Katharine being just and good and noble. FOR WHAT? So that she could plant evil and hatred and Mary? So that she could teach Mary to hate innocent people? Katharine was a good woman, but she had her bad sides too. No matter what you believe, Anne was no demon and Katharine was no angel. The bad guy was Henry.
@astrofabio68 sorry, but I'm not interested in a book that will do nothing except blame my country for its problems. USA played a part, and I never said it was perfect. But Latin America needs to take responsibility for their racism, sexism, and class system and reform to change if they want to join the developed world. That's all I have to say.
Pienso que eres demasiada injusta hacia Ana Bolena. Nunca podemos saber sus móviles con certeza; es posible que ella rechazara el rey al principio porque sinceramente no quisiera hacerse la amante del rey, y que solamente tratara a ser reina cuando el rey no cesaba sus atenciones a ella. Ana Bolena le sacó todo el partido a una situación dificil. El villano verdadero en este cuento es Enrique VIII....Catalina y Ana eran mujeres extraordinarios y fuertes, aunque me gusta Catalina de Aragon más.
She does, though I can't stand her laugh, and wish we could have seen more of her courtship with Henry in the series, rather than the end--it's ironically the opposite of how it usually is with Catherine of Aragon, actually! (Where we usually see the end of her and Henry squeezed into the story of Henry and Anne--though here she's squeezed into that of Henry and Catherine! ;)).
I have some ideas for an Anne Boleyn vid as well that I will make when I have the time and clips....
I ended up crying because of this! This was so beautiful! I can't even stop crying! You captured it perfectly and i wish I could own the series, but I can't find it anywhere. I've been trying to find someone who can post the series part by part so that I can see the entie thing.
whats the name of the song
CherryBlossomBlyue 8 months ago
This is the first KOA that I have seen that physically resembles the actual Katherine, however the real katehrine was prettier
CherryBlossomBlyue 8 months ago
An amazing tribute to by far the best Queen Consort England ever had, who was also an extremeley talented Regent.
LostYesterday 1 year ago
also, as to the comment comparing Anne Boleyn to Eva Peron-- there are no similarities. Eva chased Peron, Henry chased Anne.Eva was intimate with many men, Anne probably only with two. Anne honestly gave to charity, Eva pretended to love the poor and fooled them Anne protected many roformers.Eva helped destroy her country. And Anne didn't harbor murderers! TBC
GoddessofCoruscant 1 year ago
@GoddessofCoruscant Yes, Anne was nasty to Katharine and Mary, but Eva was nasty to entire groups of people which is MUCH worse. I know I shouldn't say this on a KOA video, but Anne wasn't the demon KOA supporters make her out to be. She wasn't a saint either. But to compare her to Evita-- a dictator who destroyed her country-- is laughable and insulting.
GoddessofCoruscant 1 year ago
@ajas1980 get a life..and please don`t eat more fats..hahaha american guy! hahaha
astrofabio68 1 year ago
Long live Queen Katherine and long live Annette Crosby for her beautiful performace as her.
TudorRose85 2 years ago 5
Absolutely elegant. Thank you. Choosing the BBC series to help create your fine video was brilliant, I should like to think that Katherine certainly smiled from where ever she is and shouted, well done, Annette Crosby, you played me magnificently"!
mortondavid 2 years ago
I think all of the actresses in this series portrayed the wives well. I was especially surprised by the portrayal of Anne of Cleves..
evaperonfan 1 year ago
Not one of the children of Ferdinand and Isabella had luck.
Juan, Maria and Isabella died young.
Juana became mad (I've got doubts about that) and they put her for the rest of her life in a nunnery. And then our poor Katherina. All their children were cursed.
What a tragic future they had.
TimmShizzle 2 years ago 7
I think Katharine should have been declared a Martyr. She truly was a great women!
ForEverSnoopy 2 years ago 9
Beautiful video! <3 Catherine of Aragon! I wish Arthur had lived, and she never married Henry...
gapeachjessica 2 years ago
@gapeachjessica I do too. However, Catherine can't do anything to or for anyone now. The poor woman is dead. I think the people that come onto videos and spam their hatred towards Anne Boleyn should focus their hatred on governments and regimes that are hurting people now. I know I've said some bad things about Mary, but I realize that I've been wasting my energy. Instead, I'm now fighting against injustices going on in the world today.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
This video almost made me cry.
Timkeiship 2 years ago 2
a saint who suffered much
bripat22 2 years ago 5
I wouldn't call her a saint... that's simplifying history.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
not really. There have been saints in all eras of history and certainly her virtues in the face of great hardships would confirm that judgement. The rest I leave to the Church.
bripat22 2 years ago 4
I would...a saint and a martyr for her strength, courage and the love for her daughter and adulterous husband, though little did he deserve it. I'm a prouder still to be a Spaniard because of her.
anaofaragon 2 years ago 5
and she was very much a Confessor for the Catholic Faith in an era where there were those in England who would destroy the ancient Faith.
bripat22 2 years ago
martyr, yes. But I'm not aware of any miracles that she did.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
You don't have to perform miracles to be a martyr. A martyr is someone who died fighting for what they believed was right and did it with courage.I think that for all that she fought for fits her perfectly into that title, don't you think?
anaofaragon 2 years ago
yes, I know. I'm just saying, don't you have to perform miracles to be a saint though? I think she deserves to be known as a martyr.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
Joan of Arc is a saint and she didn't perform miracles. She spoke to God and kept to her faith fighting a cause for her country.She was a saint and a martyr.Katherine's deep Faith and conviction should make her one. I do agree with you on that point. She's definitely a martyr in my book.
anaofaragon 2 years ago 3
Thomas More is a Saint, and he didn't perform any miracles.
katharinethequene 2 years ago
lol
hey
Hyrule field :D
ZeldaSam1991 2 years ago
there're times I wonder if Katherine is too good for Henry VIII. after all, she was meant for the late Arthur whom everyone asumed him to take over as King not Henry...
JuzTudor70AD 2 years ago 5
OMG, ALL of his wives were too good for him- even Jane Seymour, whom I despise. Arthur shouldn't have died, Anne should have married Percy, Jane should have married Will Dormer, Catherine Howard should have married Culpepper, etc., etc, etc!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago 2
Catherine was a very strong Queen in my opinion, I do like Anne Boleyn, but i admit it was not fair what Henry did to Catherine after how long they were married. She was indeed very strong Queen Of England.
fifteenminutesfoever 2 years ago 3
Thsi video is amazing, a wonderful tribute t o ana amazing Queen. Catalina was such ana amazing woman wo deserved SO MUCH better. Maybe Arthur would have been a better husband - it wouldn't be hard to be better than Henry. She was betrayed by so many people her own husband, lady-in-waiting, father, and duenna among them.
katharinethequene 3 years ago 7
Thanks! And yes, I agree....
sherrilina 3 years ago
Homer Simpson and George Bush are better husbands than Henry
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 4
She should have been queen regnant of Spain, she'd have been really good at that.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 5
yes a pitty that she was the youngest daughter of Isabella I , she could be a great queen for Spain and the world in those times....and the poor Joan , was the heiress of an empire that she cannot rules
astrofabio68 3 years ago 8
Beautiful, great, perfect...this video just captures Katherine. If there was ever a woman who deserved better, it was Catalina de Aragon.
LNor19 3 years ago 4
Thank you! You're from Tudorwiki, right? :)
And I agree, poor woman....*sigh*
sherrilina 3 years ago
Yep, I'm from the Wiki, haven't seen you on lately.
LNor19 3 years ago
Yeah, I was traveling over the holidays, and have been busy upon returning....but I'm still making a point to at least participate in the character elim game! ;)
sherrilina 3 years ago
what about Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard, Anne of Cleves, Mary I, Joan of Arc...
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
Jane Seymour, Mary of Scots, Juana of Castilla,...etc there are many women in life who deserved better, I was just speaking in context related to te subject of this video, Katherine of Aragon. And I do truly believe had Katherine been treated better that Mary, Anne B, Kathryn H, and AoC would all have had happier lifes.
LNor19 3 years ago 7
All of them deserved better but this video is about Katherine of Aragon
MelinaPendulum 3 years ago 7
Katharine is my favorite Queen She was a saint and one of the most beautiful women in history!
TudorRose85 3 years ago 7
I LOVE this video I watch it all the time!
actorinfilms 3 years ago 2
Wow, thanks! Glad you like it...
sherrilina 3 years ago
La mejor Reina que tubieron y quisieron los inglese.Enseño a ser rey al tarugo del marido , hasta que le dio por decapitar esposas, pero con esta Reina no pudo.Viva su Magestad La Reina Catalina de Aragon.
extremaduraa 3 years ago 6
estoy muy de acuerdo contigo. Viva La Reina Catalina de Aragon.
theirealife93 3 years ago 6
i really liked the scene around 1.54, catherine looked so happy and radiant!
nobodydoesitbetter17 3 years ago 6
poor cathrine.. all his wives were treated horribly the soon after the first 4 months
adena539 3 years ago 4
Great Video, is very heartbreaking. It took me a while to realise who it is playing Katherine. I remmber her as Victor Meldrews wife lol!
Biggsy1988 3 years ago
Thanks! :) I actually haven't seen here anywhere else, so I'll always just think of her as Catherine....
sherrilina 3 years ago
Lol, sorry I don't know if your from the UK or not lol, either way she was in a show called "One foot in the grave" which is what I saw her in first hence why I remember her as that lol!
Biggsy1988 3 years ago
sin duda la mejor interpretacion de catalina de aragon.
los españoles e inlgeses nos sentimos orgullosos de esta reina que se enfrento a un tirano y defendio su dignidad
viva catalina!!
pafirro 3 years ago 4
Tienes razon. :)
sherrilina 3 years ago
annette Done Well withh the spanish acent
ekthebomb 3 years ago
Annette Crosbie is the best Catherine for me.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago 4
I also love Annette Crosbie as Catherine, but the ultimate Catherine for me is Frances Cuka she looks like her and plays her so well
katharinethequene 2 years ago
finally a catherine of aragon who actually looks a little like the real one!!
gin2ynia 3 years ago 5
I love this too much!
SpanishDescendent 3 years ago 2
I watch this like every other day....still love it like the first time I saw it. Good job again
srlotfi 3 years ago 3
Wow, thanks! I'm glad you enjoy it...
sherrilina 3 years ago
well not literally, but frequently. good job
srlotfi 3 years ago
OMG!!! This was wonderful! Great job!
brendaqrg 3 years ago
Thanks! :)
sherrilina 3 years ago
Welcome :) Keep them comming.
brendaqrg 3 years ago
Great vid!! The music matches the the vid very well!!
southernsparthan 3 years ago
Your video made a CAtherine fan of me!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
wow. I think a song that fits their relationship better is Take a Bow by Madonna. "I've always been in love with you I guess you've always known it's true YOU TOOK MY LOVE FOR GRANTED WHY OH WHY this show is over say good bye." Henry really did take her love for granted- none of his other wives loved him.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
This was very moving tribute to Katharine a was crying by the end.
TudorRose85 3 years ago
I definately believe BBC's Six Wives had not only the most accuarate portrayals but the best actors. This is a beautiful tribute. Thank you! Anne Boleyn is my favorite I wish you'd do one for her too. But I almost cried watching Katherine here.
srlotfi 3 years ago
If I did an Anne tribute I would want to include Genevieve Bujold clips, as she was my favorite Anne portrayal, so it wouldn't be all BBC Six Wives...
I do have an idea though for a vid about Anne and Catherine using footage from their respective episodes that will be somewhat Anne-centric...
Thanks for your feedback though, I'm glad you liked it!
sherrilina 3 years ago
make more vids about Catherine!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
I'm not really a Catherine fan but i like this video, well done.
ABoleynFan1505 3 years ago
How can you not??? She was the most gracious of queens, always good to the poor and very religious.
aBoleynGirl99 3 years ago 2
I never said I hated her!!! She's just not my faveourite wife that's all.
ABoleynFan1505 3 years ago
same
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video even if you don't like the person it's about much--I plan to make an Anne Boleyn vid as well (I assume you like her based on your username, lol), though I'd have to get a DVD copy of "Anne of the Thousand Days" (featuring my favorite Anne portrayal by Bujold) first....
sherrilina 3 years ago
I'm no Catherine fan=- I think her sad life is too close to the sadness in my life for her my own comfort- but it's nice to see a video that isn't made to the Tudors. I think Catherine was behind her time, whereas Anne was ahead of her time. I don't mean to diss Catherine, but she did have a sad life. I don't understand how she could stay with Henry, but maybe after time, she loved him and she was blind to what he'd become. Power corrupts is a saying that's certainly true!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
Just because she still loved him in the end doesn't mean she was behind her times--it's possible that Anne still might have had love for Henry too even as he was sending her to the scaffold! If she was truly behind the times, she would not have thought a woman (ie her daughter) capable of ruling England, and nor would she have been such a capable ruler herself when Henry made her regent while fighting the French-a female ruling isn't behind the times! And she was just as well educated as Anne...
sherrilina 3 years ago
Well said!
justlooking213 3 years ago
Thanks! I also forgot to say how she actually raised an army and went into the field while being region as a second back-up army against the Scots in the case of the first lines of defenses failing--which sounds pretty "ahead of her times" to me! ;)
sherrilina 3 years ago
Katherine did not go into the field nor did she raise the army. As regent she had been given the power to raise troops and make appointments however the Council did most of the organisation. Henry appointed the Earl of Surrey who won the day at the Battle of Flodden. Katherine instead made the banners and standards for the army. A later writer argued that she had made a speech to the troops but there is no contemporary evidence of this and Katherine never mentioned this.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Woops - I meant to say Katherine did not raise the army that fought at Flodden. She sent troops later but they were disbanded when news of the victory reached London.
littlemisssunnydale 3 years ago
Exactly...
sherrilina 3 years ago
I never said she did raise that particular army--I said she raised AN army, which she did--though it was the third line of defense only in the unlikely (but still possible) event that James VI's troops broke through the other 2 armies. And she did "take to the field" so to speak in that she marched out from Richmond with her army, as her parents used to do, though she never got anywhere near the battle of course-more than just making the standards and banners...
sherrilina 3 years ago
I don't believe that Catherine was "behind her time." If she had been a submissive woman, she would have simply simply granted Henry the divorce. But she knew that by granting him the divorce she would then declare her daughter a bastard and herself a whore. To be declared a whore and a bastard in the 16th century was a terrible thing. We can't even begin to imagine the stigma, and we aren't talking about just anyone, we're talking about the Queen. There was simply too much at stake.
Rayarena 2 years ago 15
That's right. Catherine was a woman of her time.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago 2
I definatly think Catherine was AHEAD of her time, in terms of education, thinking, accomplishments etc. etc.
katharinethequene 2 years ago 8
please go on!
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
Gladly! She was also ahead of her time because of the simple fact she believed a woman could be a successful Regnant, and was Queen Regent herself for five months, she also believe a oman could be involved and a part of war she was riding north to be with the army at the border when she heard bout Flodden and she made a speech to the English captains and they were apparently "fried by her words", she was also one of the few women who had much influence in running a country.
katharinethequene 2 years ago 4
Henry would come to her and ask her opinion on almost everything to do with running the country for the first years of their marriage, and it was because of her education in women in England actually became fashionable and popular(another kind of micsellanous influence she had was she brought salad to England!)
katharinethequene 2 years ago 3
Maybe Catherine thought of her relative Juana la Beltraneja who was declared a bastard and carried a tragic and sad life, deprived of a throne she always claimed. Until her death Juana signed "The Queen". What a thing, the Queen that was in the throne she claimed for was Isabel, Catherine of Aragon's mother.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
King Henry IV of Castile,Catherine's uncle, had annulled his marriage to remarry. By his second wife he had a daughter: Juana. But it was said that Princess Juana was the daughter of the Queen and her lover Beltran de la Cueva, the girl was called "la Beltraneja" (a despective way to call her a Beltran's daughter) and declared a bastard. When her father died she was in the middle of fights to recover the throne. It went to the King's half sister: Catherine's mother.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
So I think Catherine had to know what happened to a Princess declared a bastard...
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
I Love Katharine!
TudorRose85 3 years ago 2
I liked that very much
justlooking213 3 years ago
Thanks! :) Glad you enjoyed it...
sherrilina 3 years ago
It is so touching! Catherine is my favourite among Henry's wives because she had such strength and faith. What a shame that Henry treated her with such disrespect during the divorce.
I hope there will be more films or TV series focusing on her relationship/romance with Henry instead of just on Anne and Henry's story. Nevertheless, great video!
hiserature 3 years ago 2
Thanks! I'd also really like to see more H/CofA-centric TV series episodes or movies as well--like if they made a movie version of Gregory's "Constant Princess" after the version of "The Other Boleyn Girl"....because her story is just as interesting as H/A's!
sherrilina 3 years ago
I agree. I love Gregory's writings (though only as fictions), especially "The Constant Princess". Despite its critics, I particularly like how Gregory differentiate Catherine's love for Henry and Arthur.
hiserature 3 years ago
That would be nice if they made a movie of "The Constant Princess". The book is wonderful.
supergirl011 3 years ago
I'd actually like that too!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
Are you sure? Both the Other Boleyn girl movies were rubbish (IMHO) Its like neither film maker bothered to read the book before they started making the picture I dont trust Hollywood to make it into a decent film If we could find someone with talent enough to adapt it into a good script They could do The Constant Princess & The Boleyn Inheritance too
justlooking213 3 years ago
I liked the Hollywood TOBG version, even if it didn't stick strictly to the book....I think one key thing though is length--they need to let movies be longer than 2 hours to adapt massive books....(though Constant Princess is much shorter than TOBG)...
sherrilina 3 years ago
LOVE this song, Katharine. It's so "fucking beautiful", to quote Rilo Kiley. However, strange video ;) Well made, though.
bendude606 3 years ago
Well, strange if you're not familiar with the 1970 BBC "Six Wives of Henry VIII" miniseries I suppose! ;) But thanks! I too think this song is just gorgeous....
sherrilina 3 years ago
Doña Catalina de Aragón era una mujer inteligente, culta y capaz. Fue educada esmeradamente por los mejores humanistas de la corte de los Reyes Católicos, Isabel y Fernando, al igual que sus tres hermanas y su hermano el príncipe Don Juan.
A su lado, Ana Bolena sólo era una cortesana ambiciosa, depravada y cruel. Española la una, inglesa la otra....
Gabriel
carabaza89 3 years ago
Ana Bolena fue una mujer adelantada a su época, ambiciosa, inteligente y con voluntad de acero. Madre de la mejor reina inglesa. Con una educación esmerada también.¿Sabías que las 6 esposas de Enrique descendían todas de un mismo monarca inglés?
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Adelantada en que? en seducir a un hombre casado? pff si sumamente adelantada..
Adelantada fue Catalina, culta, y hasta guerrera como su madre, cuando Enrique estuvo en Francia, lucho contra los escoceces y los vencio y preparo a su hija para ser reina sin importar que fuera mujer.
Fue la primera mujer embajadora de la historia.
En que se supone que Ana Bolena fue mas adelantada? en bailar y vestirse a la moda..quizas..?
astrofabio68 3 years ago 14
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Ana fue adelantada a su epoca. No solamente por la moda (ella introdujo el french hood, la cofia francesa, en Inglaterra) sino porque era una mujer que se atrevia a decir su punto de vista, hasta al mismo rey, logro conseguir ser reina en una epoca y una sociedad donde no estaba destinada para ello. Eligio su propio destino.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Huy que importante! introdujo la mode francesa en la corte inglesa! wow!!! que fashion! que mujer! realmente una mujer muy adelantada..jajaja..por favor...si necesito una abogada no te llamo porque no me liberan mas...
astrofabio68 3 years ago 4
Trate de darte un thumbsup pero Youtube no me permite.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 4
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No hay duda que Catalina tuvo sus meritos, habia sido educada y preparada para ello,pero personalmente me interesan mas biografias como las de Agnes Sorel, Anne de Etampes, Diane de Poitiers, Mary Vetsera, Eva Peron, Jean Harlow,Alfonsina Storni, Mata Hari que se reinvento a si misma y otras mas. La Bolena es la que mas me llama la atencion para leer auqnue creo que la mejor esposa para Enrique fue Jane Seymour, la ideal para el. Saludos cordiales y buen año.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
YeOldeTune- don't defend Anne Boleyn on Catherine of Aragon videos. You'll just be thumbed down and flamed.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 4
I agree...She was Katherine's usurper anyways and the only good that woman ever did in her life was Elizabeth
anaofaragon 2 years ago 6
@astrofabio68 you are a misogynist. You claim to be a feminist, but you give Anne all the credit for ruining Catherine and Mary's life, and Henry none of the blame. Both of them were at fault. Besides, Catherine is dead. She can't do anything to or for anyone now. Why not focus on the present and governments that are hurting people now, like sharia law?
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan "Evaperon" de donde sacás que soy un misogino?????
solo porque me pongo del lado de una mujer justa y noble y no de una arribista barata?
haceme el favor andá a estudiar y despues veni a hablar de feminsinmo...
y ademas quien te dijo que estoy a favor de la Sharia?????????
He firmado y ayudado a organizaciones en mi pais ( Uruguay) contra la violencia de genero y a nivel internacional tambien..asi que antes de hablar estupideces, como buena argentina que sos, estudie m'hija
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 I say you are a misogynist because of your hatred for Anne and refusal to place any of the blame on Henry. You call Anne 'whore' and deride her for her treatment of Mary when Henry was ultimately the one that made the decisions. A Hispanic male cannot be a feminist, because misogyny is deeply rooted in Hispanic culture, and you are a prime example of that. You are also racist.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan waht do you know about hispanic culture if you are all ignorants like all the american people!
My country was an example of the advances of the women in all america ( including USA) learn please..you are racist nad very sick woman..you need medication, darling
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 I know plenty about hispanic culture, having studied it for 4 years. Misogyny is a deep part of it, and you cannot tell me otherwise. You are lying if you are telling me that Hispanic culture treats women better than Anglo culture, and I won't fall for it. Hispanic culture has high rates of domestic violence, has rigid gender roles, and general distrust and disrespect for women. TBC
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 It was the USA that started the first feminist movement in the Western H emisphere, in the 1800s. The intolerant racist one is you. I've been to several Hispanic countries. The disrespect I've seen for gays, women, and minorities is atrocious. I never said the USA was perfect. But we are more accepting by light years of women and our minorities and our gays than you are.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan in my country the gay people can adopt children and live in an civil union
the women votes for first time in 1928...and we have the two first women senators in all america including the Gerat USA the most evil empire in all history
using HAARP to change the weather and kill millions of inocent people around the world
And invading Iraq using lies..
shame on you if you defend your country always making war aoround the world "saving" the freedom and your economics interests
ignorant!
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 I guess you're right. I'm sorry for my ignorance. I'm going to kill myself now since that is the only way I can apologize for being AMerican.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 You have upset my daughter with your post. She is easily swayed by the opinions of anyone and tends towards being depressed. Your view of the USA is quite annoyingly marxist and biased. There are multiple ways to look at history and if you choose to look at world history the way you do, then you make bizarre accusations about things like HAARP. TBC
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan ppppffff what? hahaha now you use the manipulation..! hahaha typical american all happens to you because you are the victims of the entire world that envy the american dream..hahahaha ( health system in particular)...see Zeitgeist and then we talk..hahaha
you are pathetic...and I`m not marxisits because the marxism was another mass manipulation..hahaha I can`t stop laughing..and why do you show this adult message to your daughter ? you are not a responsable mother..I think hahaha
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 I note that you are all arguing about things that happened 500 years ago and can not be changed. I am adiving my daughter to leave this site as it triggers her depression.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 gay people can adopt in most of the 50 states, not all of them i admit. women voted for the first time in 1920-the 19th amendment. and i think the first women senator was in 1894, she was from wyoming i believe. i don't even know what haarp is, i don't believe anyone is capable of doing that to the weather. i think global warming is due to world wide pollution. iraq was a farce, i do believe that. but we aren't the worst country in the world.
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse yes because that was neccesary to obtain votes for political ideas and need suport for that...you are so naif..
And in your country the gays can not married or adopt chidren, don`t lie! you think all the people are ignorant like you!???
only in a few states the gay people can do that...please...
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 i am not naive, sorry. and gays can adopt in most states. i live in florida, and here they can't. i admitted that they couldn't in some states, and that includes the one i live in. i do admit to not knowing everything, but i also make a concerted effort to at least know what i am speaking of, before i open my mouth. and they probably did give women the vote, in order to count on their votes, as women are much more likely to vote than men are.
tranurse 1 year ago
@tranurse just ignore him. He's very nasty and doesn't want to believe anything good about the USA. Not saying the USA is perfect-- we're not. We have a lot of blood on our hands. But I've travelled a lot in various parts of the world and we ARE very fortuante.
GoddessofCoruscant 1 year ago
@tranurse thank you. some people just believe whatever they're told. And the woman you're thinking of is Jeannete Rankin. (not sure if I spelled her name right.) But some people are just downright nasty, and not worth your time.
GoddessofCoruscant 1 year ago
@GoddessofCoruscant thanks, i could remember the jeanette part, but for the life of me, i couldn't think of her last name, and i was too lazy to look it up.
tranurse 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 oh, and I'm not your 'darling.' We clearly disgaree, we're from diametrically opposed cultures, and I'm very glad to be in a culture that respects women and doesn't trap them into abusive relationships, virgin/whore complexes, and many other things. I'll say one final thing though-- at least you're not making your women live under sharia-- yet.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan I recomend you change your nick because Eva peron was the lover of Peron and use her sex to have power, and she was a fascist who give passports to the nazis to come to Argentina...an example of a great woman..like Anne bolein..hahaha
you are so ignorant..
You culture is only more hypocrital about the women rol..just that..
you a re a little girl when you become in a real woman with independ thougts ..then we talk..
get luck...
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 I do have my own opinions and I've formed them from years of study. You have your opinion of Anne, I have mine. And i have no interest in forming a friendship with someone who disrespects me, my gender, and my culture.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 and Katharine of Aragon wasn't exactly a saint either. She taught Mary to hate Protestants. But since you think killing Protestants is ok, I guess that's fine by you! And besides, I'm not even Argentine, I'm an American with Anglo Saxon and Nordic roots.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan oh! a superior race! anglosaxon and nordic..Hitler loves you!
I`m irish, french , spanish and basque descends..so?
who is the racist here?
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 WHAT? Where did you pull Hitler out of? I do not support Hitler and I find what he did despicable. I pointed to my heritage because you assumed I was Argentine.I called you racist because you constantly downgrade England on every video I've seen, without any recognition for the crimes of the Hispanic world. No one country is innocent. And people wonder why I have so little respect for Katharine's fans...
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 and you talk about Katharine being just and good and noble. FOR WHAT? So that she could plant evil and hatred and Mary? So that she could teach Mary to hate innocent people? Katharine was a good woman, but she had her bad sides too. No matter what you believe, Anne was no demon and Katharine was no angel. The bad guy was Henry.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
@evaperonfan agree, Spain conquest was absolutely brutal cruel and kill a millions of native people
But England did the same!
they wrote the black legend about Spain but never told her own history...
just that!...and you because live in an anglo country you learn only one side of the history...
you should read Eduardo Galeano an uruguayan writer , the book "the open vains of latin america" and you will have a complete picture of history
astrofabio68 1 year ago
@astrofabio68 sorry, but I'm not interested in a book that will do nothing except blame my country for its problems. USA played a part, and I never said it was perfect. But Latin America needs to take responsibility for their racism, sexism, and class system and reform to change if they want to join the developed world. That's all I have to say.
evaperonfan 1 year ago
Pienso que eres demasiada injusta hacia Ana Bolena. Nunca podemos saber sus móviles con certeza; es posible que ella rechazara el rey al principio porque sinceramente no quisiera hacerse la amante del rey, y que solamente tratara a ser reina cuando el rey no cesaba sus atenciones a ella. Ana Bolena le sacó todo el partido a una situación dificil. El villano verdadero en este cuento es Enrique VIII....Catalina y Ana eran mujeres extraordinarios y fuertes, aunque me gusta Catalina de Aragon más.
sherrilina 3 years ago
My best wife is Anne Boleyn. Dorothy Tutin plays
her very well.
mariongotan 3 years ago
She does, though I can't stand her laugh, and wish we could have seen more of her courtship with Henry in the series, rather than the end--it's ironically the opposite of how it usually is with Catherine of Aragon, actually! (Where we usually see the end of her and Henry squeezed into the story of Henry and Anne--though here she's squeezed into that of Henry and Catherine! ;)).
I have some ideas for an Anne Boleyn vid as well that I will make when I have the time and clips....
sherrilina 3 years ago
This BBC serial is the best on Tudors times.
mariongotan 3 years ago
I ended up crying because of this! This was so beautiful! I can't even stop crying! You captured it perfectly and i wish I could own the series, but I can't find it anywhere. I've been trying to find someone who can post the series part by part so that I can see the entie thing.
supergirl011 3 years ago
OMG SOOOO BEAUTIFUL!! I LOVE THE SONG!! AND THE VIDEO 5 ******!!!!=o)
Stephenboi77 3 years ago
Thanks! :)
sherrilina 3 years ago