We should thank Sir Jackie for allowing Lewis Hamilton to say "ti was actually quite a nice shunt", when describing his backwards crash from around 180mph!
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Thank you Jackie.. We owe you, big time. I'd love to shake your hand mate.
The Monocoque time was a very dangerous time, until Carbon was the chassis who made the F1 very more safer and the tracks. Unfortunately the Nordschleife was out since Niki Laudas crash, it was surely correct, but i love the Nordschleife, i drove this track countless time in GPL and rfactor and in reality 15 laps. My first Nordschleife drive with a car was "co-driving" back seat in a NSU TT (from 65 to 80 HP) 1969 at the original track, it was so wonderful to arrived old Brünnchen or Flugplatz..
I mean sitting here contemplating those times, it makes me realise just how amazing brilliant drivers the were with utter precision in their car control. Bravo Jackie for making F1 a safer place for all. They older generation of drivers would cream the modern drivers in my opinion simpley due to the fact that the did so well with so little.
Remember Kubica hitting the wall in Kanada? Webber going into the air at Valencia? If people like Steward didn´t improve safety standards that much, these guys would still risk their life today.
Jackie Stewart is one of the greatest drivers ever to have graced the sport. People laughed at him when he suggested safety improvments, but if he hadnt stuck at it there may have been so many more fatalities. Would Webber still be alive after he flipped his car at Valencia, would Massa be alive if he hadnt had that highly advanced crash helmet?
@jpatt1000 1994, Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger as im sure y u know(Not sure of the spelling there) was thankfully the last time in F1. Barrichello almost died too, it was a pretty shit weekend! Jackie has been a massive part in saving the lives of so many people :) Schumacher, Burti, Massa, Webber, Kubica, and so many more very lucky people! :)
The safety beforeJackie's righteous lobbying used to be a fucking joke - in Monaco they used straw bales to crash into. Look what happened to poor Lorenzo Baldini FFS, seeing that still makes me sick and angry.
Do you know about what happended at the 1973 dutch gp? Roger williamson crashed his car and it bursted into flames, the fire truck got there about 10 minutes later when the car had already completly burned to the ground. They left the car there for the entire race with just a blanket covering up the remains.
Yes I do - and I can remember when it happened. I was 8 yrs old and saw the report about his death on that night's BBC news. A couple of years later my dad told me the details. Watching GP's throughout the 70s and early 80s it seemed as though death had become an expected part of it.
Williamson's death really got to Jackie Stewart - as did that of Francois Cevert in Oct 73.
got to remember that the cars of jackies era had similar power and suspension to those of the 80s but no areo aids and crap tires those were brave drivers and thanx to jackie safety came to the forefront, can you imagine what it must of been like to race at spa in the rain in his time damn he is brave you rock jackie
There may be fewer deaths because of Jackie Stewart but it could be said that Formula 1 is no longer worth watching. It does seem odd that today's drivers are paid a sackful of money compared to the daredevils - and I purposely use the word - of the past.
Imagine being trapped in your car upside down. You can't move and your racing suit is soaked in fuel. The piping hot engine could ignite the fuel any second and you don't know where the paramedics are or if they'll even get to you in time. That's what Jackie saw that terrible day. He had every reason to be upset about this. His efforts to make Formula One safer are his greatest contribution to the sport, not just his 27 wins and 3 world championships.
There's more...Graham Hill, who ditched his car had to borrow spanners (or wrenches) from spectators' cars to get the steering wheel off. Then, after finally getting him the ambulance, the driver lost his way to the hospital. When Jackie finally came to, he found himself naked (Graham Hill took off his driving suit, because it was soaked with Aviation Fuel, which is terribly bad harmful to the skin), lying on a canvas stretcher, on a concrete floor, littered with cigarette butts.
Jackie was the first driver to tell F1's safety people to pull there fingers out of their holes and do something. A driver stuck in a car, drifting in and out of conciousness (sorry for my spelling), the monocoque filling up with racing fuel and no marshals ect. around is really fucked up. Its thanks to Jackie that F1 fatalities havent been in the 100's. Well done Jackie.
Why was F1 so unsafe back then? It's not like they were a bunch of idiots that didn't know what they were doing, It's was frickin F1! Say what you want about NASCAR, but damn, they have never had a problem with drivers hitting trees, plus the cars were WAY safer at the time, and you never had to worry about the track officials standing around with their thumbs up their asses while you burned to death. I'm in no way saying NASCAR is better, buts damn the safety in F1 was joke a back then.
@BoberMcBoberson NASCAR - Ovals, F1 - real road circuits. There is no comparison. Look at the length of the circuits. They were long, they didn't have marshals every corner and they didn't have 4 walls of steel surrounding them. THIS WAS F1. Open wheel racing and the fastest cars on the planet. Hope this helps your understanding of the sport.
@SimonSteel69 Yeah, But what I'm saying is they should have had those things. NASCAR has always been looked at as a bunch of rednecks, But they tried their best to make sure the drivers and tracks were safe. While F1 has always been looked at as the smartest automotive people in the world, yet at the time safety in f1 basically meant wearing a helmet. I'm not saying F1 sucked then or anything, It's just odd to me that safety wasn't more of a priority then.
@BoberMcBoberson F1 cars were and still are prototype purpose built racecars. In those days safety took a back seat to pure performance, where as NASCAR was born out of roadcars. Which itself allowed for better safety. A roadcar has a closed cockpit, the driver sits in the sedan surrounded by 4 doors and a roof. So if the car rolled they were more protected. As NASCAR started as an ovaltrack sport it was easier to marshal meaning they could rescue drivers much faster. Ur right about the helmets.
@SimonSteel69 I will do the educated morons: "What are you saying?F1 cars are not to be consider prototypes!". There is a little production of F1; in the last 10 years, the marginal minimum been 5 (McLaren 2010) and the marginal maximum being 11 (Ferrari 2002), the average being around 7 or 8. This is call "unique examples" of a concept. An exotic micro-production car, like the MC12 ,is at least a 50 a years. A prototype is being from 10 to 50.
@therrydicule You should be a bureaucrat, because you are technically correct. However, prototype does not indicate the age of a vehicle otherwise Le Mans would be in serious trouble. lol! No doubt you can not argue that F1's are purpose built racecars, but in their early years were built as forerunners to the manufacturers road cars. So one can argue that the original F1 cars were in fact prototypes, as they were direct forbearers to roadcars. Check the era. I am referring to the early cars.
@SimonSteel69 Well, I am more of an historian. And, yes I have to consider the age and the manufacturer.
In the 60's and 70's... A prototype was vaguely define. I will say that the F1 was more of a concept car because the maximum of production of the time was with the Cooper T81- 7 of them around, I think we could find more Chevrolet Corvair Monza GT than that. A prototype was just a little bit over, to do the testing. However, the line between concept car and prototype is thin ;)
Anyone who doubts Sir Jackie's contributions need only watch Mark Webber in the 2010 Euro GP, or Kubica in the '08 Canadian GP. The dangerous years were golden in their way, the drivers had a little more hair on their chests, but the toll in lives was just too much. We fans lost the real Nurburgring and Spa, but what a blessing it is to have Sir Stirling Moss and Niki Lauda still with us. What a nice postscript it is that JM Fangio died of old age. Thanks Jackie!
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FUCKING PUSSY BITCHES NOW ONE MADE YOU RACE BITCHES FUCKERS YOU RACE YOU DIE THAT IS THE RULE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE GRET FIGHTERS WARRIORS. This days pussys are ''racing'' now to fast to dangerus. FUCK ALL BITCHES SO CALED RACERS THAT ARE NOT READY TO DIE. PEAC TO ALL FALEN RACERS NEWER FORGOTEN
He was never on my list of the very quickest of drivers, but he won his championships in a deadly era and you have to respect Stewart for improving the safety of motor sport and F1 in particular........
you have this guy a huge amount of credit. Without his efforts a lot more of our heroes would not be with us anymore...
Kubica in Montreal 2007, Burtis several accidents...just to name a few...
Hey i just checked out that since 1987 only 3 people died in F1 cars...de Angelis, Ratzenberger and the neverforgotten Ayrton Senna himself...compare that to jackies days...
yes but without all the work Jackie has done for safety over the years, more drivers, marshalls and spectators would have died, no question !!! `Viva La Jackie`
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Partick Depallier.........another suspension failure. People have to admit the design was wrong or like I thing someone amomg others was involved in some sort of vendetta. Beit the mafia be it he British Govenrnment. Someone killed these people. Not all but most.
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Seeing those car in the 70s and 80s turn into fast corners with big fat back wheels driving the small front wheels.........its creating twisting in the body of the car. No wonder so many suspensions broke at the front. What do u think. So much pressure put on the front part of the car. Seriosly who designed these things of hell. Scoops too kill.
Can you explain to me then why the cars were designed like that. Also why now the wheels are equal size. I am interested to learn. Excuse my ignorance.
@newromantic888 Back then, the idea of aerodynamics was significantly more limited than it is now... the main focus was a low center of gravity (low suspension) and good airflow to the engine... many teams didn't bother with front or rear wings cause their effects were unknown. it was known they helped grip, but not how much it helped... it also slowed the cars down immensely... so many teams didn't have one.
If you wanna ask more, PM me, I know a little bit, n I'm happy to pass it on - Richy
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I am playing on the break/brake. Not convinced with Jimmy at all. And a lot of other drivers too. They could have been killed. Or it could have been a basic mechanical failure. We will know one day. I want to find out.
Jackie we cant race in America. They dont have your respect for safety.. Obviously. I am so sad to Cevert............he was a champion to be. Thaks Jackie...........u dam good celt u. u probably saved so many drivers lives.
Stewart was clearly a pioneer. With the changes he championed in F1, and the leading edge work the USAC and CART people did in IndyCar - fatalities and crippling injuries have been radically reduced. For a very interesting read - try Dr. Steven Olvey's "Rapid Response" - about the improvements he's witnessed (and championed) in auto racing. He gives much credit to the F1 folks.
Jackie Stewart is never on anyone's greatest list of world champions, but he is on my list of one of greatest. Not only is he a 3 time world champion, but he is a good man, and he has saved lives. And he was never lacking in bravery.
to think back to regular cars'safety level in the 60/70es: real metal traps.
This gap is identically resembled when comparing vintage racing cars with recent
ones. In the past decades we could often read of regular cars burning after a crash
...several cars had their metal tank under the front hood and were totally free from any kind of safety items.The one piece steering column caused thousands of deadly chest injuries,just as a sample.
If you think racing is only for money, you don't know the real passion we feel for it, you'll never understand the real feeling.
It's something that's in your blood, part of you. Even the most deadly danger cannot make you let it go. I just love racing, love speed. It's a relentless feeling.
Watch your words! Stewart has more expierience than, so he can explain it better and he knows nore about the danger. And, b.t.w., if Massa didnt crash, Schumacher wouldn't return. You should have probed the cars, like me, but I don't mean that I have probed them, I'm not racing driver.
F1 remains one the most dangerous sports ever up until today. No matter what they do in order to protect the drivers, it'll always be dangerous. Having said that, many thanks to Sir Jackie Stewart, who made this awfully perilous sport a much safer one.
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I disagree. It's no longer particularly dangerous. Drivers know they have very little chance of being killed or seriously hurt. This means there is not as much risk, and therefore sheer bravery is no longer necessary for a racing driver, meaning that it levels the playing field.
Before it was too dangerous, now it's too safe. It was about right up until 1994.
Yes chief1tooth. Have you noticed that when we now have the occasional unfortunate accident, such as Massa's, everyone starts bleating about how to make it even safer?
Ridiculous! Motor racing needs an element of danger, and all those who don't like it should go and watch tennis instead.
I still watch F1 but it changed for the worse after senna died. The only track that resembles the past is spa. Most other tracks were ruined with chicanes to slow cars. I think the Indy 500 is one of the few races with an element of danger, not like it was years ago but still exciting despite the problems of open wheel racing in america. Soon racing will be like slot car racing.
A Knight protects people no matter what. Sir Jackie Stewart did just that.Along with others. We can enjoy F1 and LeMans racing a lot more because of better standards however the risk is still there...
Since as the F1 cars now are so safe and the race tracks are better equiped for the racing we will hopefully never see another death in F1 ! the last death was 15 years ago!
sure BAR Villeneuve..............ther tire went thru the way fence and hit the Marshall. Nothing Jackie or u and I can do about it. Seriously bad luck.
Sounds like things were really mickey mouse in those days, but at the same time, it really says something about the courage and determination of the drivers who kept it up race after race, year after year regardless, and whose sacrifices paved the way for so many of the car and safety developments we enjoy today.
Having raced myself (albeit a couple of seasons or so in Karts in the late 70's) I wish to say that at no time when I was driving did I think of death! We were young then and death was for others! I reckon most (if not all) race drivers will agree, you NEVER think its going to happen to you (certainly not whilst on the track anyway) and any race driver (and true spectator for that matter) knows that motor racing is (and in a way always will be) dangerous. These were pioneers 0 I salute them all!
I hate to disagree with JS who was actually there. But fact remains that now u cant see shit of the race cause youre 100+ m from the actual track. The tracks are easy, the cars so extreme a comp is doing 80% of the actual racing. The excitement and the feel of real racing is gone for me. Nburg was a real test in its pre69 days and many heroes from the 30ties, 50ties and 60ties lived through it. I think the cars just ran away from the tracks, like golfing eqiup does today with old courses :(
They actually did some of all 3 things just some years ago to an extend. Just put in a mildly talented guy with fast reflexes and the computers can handle the rest. I stand by with Moss's stmt of Thrill being a motivator. He doesnt have to be able to half the things they needed to be able to in the early days, despite the speed being slower.
Good that racing is safer for drivers and spectators. Would hate to be watching a race and get killed.
Racing has lost a lot with so much computer control. Maybe I'm old school but would love to see F1 get rid of paddle shifters and make em clutch and shift like the old days. Nothing like missing a shift and getting past.
Oh by the way - watch Wolfgang von Trips 1961 accident. Spectators dead. Horrible. Its shows how dangerous things were. Not goo. Much better now except today's cars aren't as cool. Safer but not as cool. Hey I'm just saying.
Sid Watkins was a godsend- I worked as a theatre nurse under him at the London Hospital. Later I went to Helsinki to study. When Sid got to Hakkinen after his 95 Melbourne crash and saved him by a trackside trachiotomy, the joke at the Uni was that old Sid could have driven round the track in a Yugo and used a biro tube and the ultimate effect upon Mika's brain would not have been noticed... afterwards.
Yes, those days in F1 were obviously dangerous. But you can thank those guys (REAL DRIVERS) for things such as, fuel injection, anti-lock brakes, anti-submarine seats (Mark Donahue invented these), and of course high octane fuels! Those were real men, who knew very well the risks they were taking. Alot of the fatalaties back then were due to mechanical failures, wretched track conditions just made things worse. But we're grown-ups, racing is, and always will be gladiatorial at some level.
Jackie Stewert was very lucky as an F1 racer. To be able to get through that time, when saftey was more or less non-exsistent, it takes luck. They just treated death as a part of racing.
The tracks where crap, the cars where 4 wheeled bombs.
He obviously knew he was lucky & certainly living on borrowed time. This is why he chose to retire at the end of the 1973 season. Not just cos' he's team mate was so tragically killed at Watkins Glen as he's already made his decision to retire from Formula1 before that..Stewart was lucky but also very smart..Think how difficult it's been for him to walk away from the sport he truly loved? RIP Ronnie Peterson!
Sir Jackie deserve the thanks of every driver who has survived racing accidents in the past 40 years. A magnificent driver and a better human being for his work at keeping his friends alive. I got his autograph at the USGP 2005, otherwise known as the Michelin debacle.
dude, you obviously know nothing about racing. listen closely and you can hear the engine accelerating and decelerating and the transmission shifting right where it should.
Have you ever thought about the meaning of your words?? Yes i know absolutely nothing about racing. What racing is? Is it something like eating cheese?
If you want to know just how dangerous, watch the '67 movie Grand Prix. Circuits include Zandvoort, the original Spa and Monza. You'll know then what possessed Stewart.
Jackie Stewart's television work in the United States also helped bring more safety to FIA events, seeing as how NASCAR and USAC were light years ahead of F-1 (1973 at Indy notwithstanding).
I think what you mean is open wheel racing ofthe day was severly more dangerous then full bodied cars such as NASCAR. Indy was just as bad as F1 up until the late 70's. Like Jackie said, they were nothing more then fuel tanks with an engine strapped on one end and a drive on the other. From me and all other drivers around they world, we salute you Sir Jackie Stewert in all that you have done.
From 2:16 you can see a F2 race in Montjuich (1967?) is seen the same point where Hill and Rind crashed in 1969 and Stommelen in 1975 when 4 people died. The hay bales of 1967 became two barriers in 1969, three in 1975 and also fences below. It wasnt enought...
In 1:30 we see a pilot in the ground with the back of his overalls on fire, and the marshal with fire extinguisher extinguishing the car fire and not the pilot's back. Stupid marshals...
I understand that the cars were fast, but whats the point if a great driver cant live to tell the tale? The quote, "How many of us must die?" sums it up perfectly. How safe would the sport be today without Jackie? Safety is his legacy, and that is greater than championships. Anyone can win those, but how many can do what he has done?
The only one i can think of urugodeiv is the moment from 1:22 to 1:24 is Mike Hailwood trying to get Clay Reggazoni out his burning car at the 1973 South African GP. Correct me if im wrong.
And i agree with you about Jackie. The sport wouldnt be safer without his work.
It was Jacky Oliver whose brakes failed and he smashed on the downhill into Jacky Ickx's Ferrari (in 1970, Spain), Oliver was almost immediately out of the car, but Ickx almost died there, when he finally came out, his whole body was burning. Nevertheless, a few weeks later he was already racing again.
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birneFT 1 month ago
the first pic of jackie looks like kyle busch
JeffGordonFanForLife 1 month ago
Bruce was killed testing a Can-Am car not a Formula 1 car, But never the less safety was pathetic in those days
91730dlm 2 months ago in playlist Jackie Stewart
that was spectacular......and heart wrenching.
penske13 2 months ago
I feel that US Indy Car racing is now in the same boat. Very poor and unsafe tracks with concrete walls and catch fences and very fast cars.
The street circuits that Indy Cars race on (Long Beach especially) are ridiculous also. Like trying to fly a fighter plane in a gymnasium.
Formula One (with the exception of Monaco) has far superior tracks..
jgmagoo1 3 months ago
this man is big!
gerardvng 3 months ago
a man with the hands and feet on fire and no one has a fire extinguisher...
gerardvng 3 months ago
Sir Jackie Stewart's contributions to making race circuits and race cars infinitely safer...especially in Formula Racing...has saved countless lives.
To you.... Sir Jackie...Madam Helen and the boys....
The best of everything
thevmanvj 3 months ago
Top man. thank you Mr Stewart. You are to my mind one of the all time great men of sport. and you always will be.
mikeryry 4 months ago 3
We should thank Sir Jackie for allowing Lewis Hamilton to say "ti was actually quite a nice shunt", when describing his backwards crash from around 180mph!
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Thank you Jackie.. We owe you, big time. I'd love to shake your hand mate.
wordreet 5 months ago 5
@wordreet what crash was lewis talking about?
nightmare2271 1 week ago
The Monocoque time was a very dangerous time, until Carbon was the chassis who made the F1 very more safer and the tracks. Unfortunately the Nordschleife was out since Niki Laudas crash, it was surely correct, but i love the Nordschleife, i drove this track countless time in GPL and rfactor and in reality 15 laps. My first Nordschleife drive with a car was "co-driving" back seat in a NSU TT (from 65 to 80 HP) 1969 at the original track, it was so wonderful to arrived old Brünnchen or Flugplatz..
samothsamothsamoth 5 months ago
Jackie must to be happy nowadays... F1 it's very safe, despite of that long 28 years since his accident at Spa
WatanukiF1 6 months ago
damn isnt it like 2 out of 3 f1 drivers died in the early years
tsharpmac420 7 months ago
@tsharpmac420 no your a fucking moron that was the chance that jackie stewart would have died that jackie stewart's wife figured out, fucking dumbass
tsharpmac420 5 months ago
whats a mono cock?
tsharpmac420 7 months ago
@tsharpmac420 Google Monocoque.
MrAndersoncouncil 7 months ago
@tsharpmac420 LMAO
philateliceun 7 months ago
@tsharpmac420 mono- cockpit
fatqwert200 5 months ago
@fatqwert200 monocoque .... its a desgin technique
tsharpmac420 5 months ago
@tsharpmac420 your retarded, its an animal with one dick instead of 2
tsharpmac420 5 months ago
I mean sitting here contemplating those times, it makes me realise just how amazing brilliant drivers the were with utter precision in their car control. Bravo Jackie for making F1 a safer place for all. They older generation of drivers would cream the modern drivers in my opinion simpley due to the fact that the did so well with so little.
thegreatbasher 8 months ago
When did they stop racing at the Nordscleffe?
bandman232 8 months ago
@bandman232 In 1970.
UberKuhlMan 8 months ago
@UberKuhlMan thats not right I saw a race there in 73
bandman232 8 months ago
@bandman232 A formula one race?
UberKuhlMan 8 months ago
@UberKuhlMan yea
bandman232 8 months ago
@bandman232 Well I have no clue then. Haha sorry buddy.
UberKuhlMan 8 months ago
@bandman232 Just did some research. Last race was in 1976.
UberKuhlMan 8 months ago
@UberKuhlMan Thanks for clearing that up. Seems like were always learning something...
bandman232 8 months ago
@bandman232 Yeah. I love learning, as long as it's about racing.
UberKuhlMan 7 months ago
God bless Sir Jackie, so many lived because of him.
thetexasplayboys 8 months ago 2
I've acualy sat in one of his F1 cars then got to see it race
nerfman519 8 months ago
I dont think ive ever hit a telegraph pole...
71rjeelykcir 9 months ago
without J.S. F1 wouldnt be where it is today.. end of.
freqeist 9 months ago
Remember Kubica hitting the wall in Kanada? Webber going into the air at Valencia? If people like Steward didn´t improve safety standards that much, these guys would still risk their life today.
Wallbreaker91 9 months ago
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philateliceun 7 months ago
@Wallbreaker91 No they wouldn't because probably they would be dead already.
argh1989 1 week ago
Jackie Stewart is one of the greatest drivers ever to have graced the sport. People laughed at him when he suggested safety improvments, but if he hadnt stuck at it there may have been so many more fatalities. Would Webber still be alive after he flipped his car at Valencia, would Massa be alive if he hadnt had that highly advanced crash helmet?
Sir Jackie Stewart= legend.
calumITFC 9 months ago
When was the last time someone perished in a formula 1 race? Thanks Jackie!
jpatt1000 9 months ago
@jpatt1000 1994, Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger as im sure y u know(Not sure of the spelling there) was thankfully the last time in F1. Barrichello almost died too, it was a pretty shit weekend! Jackie has been a massive part in saving the lives of so many people :) Schumacher, Burti, Massa, Webber, Kubica, and so many more very lucky people! :)
Bobobidodo 9 months ago
Francois Cevert's death was the tipping point for Jackie!
kedharf1 10 months ago 2
one of the "rare" living legends of the golden years of F1
carig12 11 months ago
is there a copy of this video without the viewvibe.com at the bottom so I may post it on a site without it getting removed for spam?
erasetoimprove 1 year ago
@erasetoimprove Yes - I believe this interview is included on the disk that came with Jackie's autobiography - 'Winning is not Enough'.
niv06290 1 year ago
Jackie Steward, Legend
goerge4 1 year ago
The safety beforeJackie's righteous lobbying used to be a fucking joke - in Monaco they used straw bales to crash into. Look what happened to poor Lorenzo Baldini FFS, seeing that still makes me sick and angry.
krakenwave 1 year ago
@krakenwave
Do you know about what happended at the 1973 dutch gp? Roger williamson crashed his car and it bursted into flames, the fire truck got there about 10 minutes later when the car had already completly burned to the ground. They left the car there for the entire race with just a blanket covering up the remains.
There are even video's on youtube of it.
Regret696 10 months ago
@Regret696
Yes I do - and I can remember when it happened. I was 8 yrs old and saw the report about his death on that night's BBC news. A couple of years later my dad told me the details. Watching GP's throughout the 70s and early 80s it seemed as though death had become an expected part of it.
Williamson's death really got to Jackie Stewart - as did that of Francois Cevert in Oct 73.
krakenwave 10 months ago
This is unknown how many lives this man actually saved. Luckily....
urmo345 1 year ago
got to remember that the cars of jackies era had similar power and suspension to those of the 80s but no areo aids and crap tires those were brave drivers and thanx to jackie safety came to the forefront, can you imagine what it must of been like to race at spa in the rain in his time damn he is brave you rock jackie
scomyo3 1 year ago
Along with Jackie Stewart and Sid Watkins we also have to thank Louis Stanley!
Zen404 1 year ago
Jackie Stewart is a hero for making sure F1 became safer than it was
birrman2008 1 year ago
There may be fewer deaths because of Jackie Stewart but it could be said that Formula 1 is no longer worth watching. It does seem odd that today's drivers are paid a sackful of money compared to the daredevils - and I purposely use the word - of the past.
leonardcde 1 year ago
Imagine being trapped in your car upside down. You can't move and your racing suit is soaked in fuel. The piping hot engine could ignite the fuel any second and you don't know where the paramedics are or if they'll even get to you in time. That's what Jackie saw that terrible day. He had every reason to be upset about this. His efforts to make Formula One safer are his greatest contribution to the sport, not just his 27 wins and 3 world championships.
starlionblue 1 year ago 17
There's more...Graham Hill, who ditched his car had to borrow spanners (or wrenches) from spectators' cars to get the steering wheel off. Then, after finally getting him the ambulance, the driver lost his way to the hospital. When Jackie finally came to, he found himself naked (Graham Hill took off his driving suit, because it was soaked with Aviation Fuel, which is terribly bad harmful to the skin), lying on a canvas stretcher, on a concrete floor, littered with cigarette butts.
thevmanvj 2 weeks ago
Jackie was the first driver to tell F1's safety people to pull there fingers out of their holes and do something. A driver stuck in a car, drifting in and out of conciousness (sorry for my spelling), the monocoque filling up with racing fuel and no marshals ect. around is really fucked up. Its thanks to Jackie that F1 fatalities havent been in the 100's. Well done Jackie.
jordan7639 1 year ago
Why was F1 so unsafe back then? It's not like they were a bunch of idiots that didn't know what they were doing, It's was frickin F1! Say what you want about NASCAR, but damn, they have never had a problem with drivers hitting trees, plus the cars were WAY safer at the time, and you never had to worry about the track officials standing around with their thumbs up their asses while you burned to death. I'm in no way saying NASCAR is better, buts damn the safety in F1 was joke a back then.
BoberMcBoberson 1 year ago
@BoberMcBoberson NASCAR - Ovals, F1 - real road circuits. There is no comparison. Look at the length of the circuits. They were long, they didn't have marshals every corner and they didn't have 4 walls of steel surrounding them. THIS WAS F1. Open wheel racing and the fastest cars on the planet. Hope this helps your understanding of the sport.
SimonSteel69 1 year ago
@SimonSteel69 Yeah, But what I'm saying is they should have had those things. NASCAR has always been looked at as a bunch of rednecks, But they tried their best to make sure the drivers and tracks were safe. While F1 has always been looked at as the smartest automotive people in the world, yet at the time safety in f1 basically meant wearing a helmet. I'm not saying F1 sucked then or anything, It's just odd to me that safety wasn't more of a priority then.
BoberMcBoberson 1 year ago
@BoberMcBoberson F1 cars were and still are prototype purpose built racecars. In those days safety took a back seat to pure performance, where as NASCAR was born out of roadcars. Which itself allowed for better safety. A roadcar has a closed cockpit, the driver sits in the sedan surrounded by 4 doors and a roof. So if the car rolled they were more protected. As NASCAR started as an ovaltrack sport it was easier to marshal meaning they could rescue drivers much faster. Ur right about the helmets.
SimonSteel69 1 year ago
@SimonSteel69 I will do the educated morons: "What are you saying?F1 cars are not to be consider prototypes!". There is a little production of F1; in the last 10 years, the marginal minimum been 5 (McLaren 2010) and the marginal maximum being 11 (Ferrari 2002), the average being around 7 or 8. This is call "unique examples" of a concept. An exotic micro-production car, like the MC12 ,is at least a 50 a years. A prototype is being from 10 to 50.
therrydicule 1 year ago
@therrydicule You should be a bureaucrat, because you are technically correct. However, prototype does not indicate the age of a vehicle otherwise Le Mans would be in serious trouble. lol! No doubt you can not argue that F1's are purpose built racecars, but in their early years were built as forerunners to the manufacturers road cars. So one can argue that the original F1 cars were in fact prototypes, as they were direct forbearers to roadcars. Check the era. I am referring to the early cars.
SimonSteel69 1 year ago
@SimonSteel69 Well, I am more of an historian. And, yes I have to consider the age and the manufacturer.
In the 60's and 70's... A prototype was vaguely define. I will say that the F1 was more of a concept car because the maximum of production of the time was with the Cooper T81- 7 of them around, I think we could find more Chevrolet Corvair Monza GT than that. A prototype was just a little bit over, to do the testing. However, the line between concept car and prototype is thin ;)
therrydicule 1 year ago
Jackie forever.
newromantic888 1 year ago
Thank you Sir Jackie Stewart for being the driving force to get things changed.
You have saved many many lives because you did more then just talk.
You acted and stayed the course until other people saw that things could be changed to save lives and still keep the racing exciting.
Drivers need not die to win races or to entertain racing fans.
To Sir Jackie and those other people with him who helped save drivers and track marshalls lives.
Thank You.
RolandWaites 1 year ago
Anyone who doubts Sir Jackie's contributions need only watch Mark Webber in the 2010 Euro GP, or Kubica in the '08 Canadian GP. The dangerous years were golden in their way, the drivers had a little more hair on their chests, but the toll in lives was just too much. We fans lost the real Nurburgring and Spa, but what a blessing it is to have Sir Stirling Moss and Niki Lauda still with us. What a nice postscript it is that JM Fangio died of old age. Thanks Jackie!
flugplatz21 1 year ago
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FUCKING PUSSY BITCHES NOW ONE MADE YOU RACE BITCHES FUCKERS YOU RACE YOU DIE THAT IS THE RULE THAT IS THE WAY OF THE GRET FIGHTERS WARRIORS. This days pussys are ''racing'' now to fast to dangerus. FUCK ALL BITCHES SO CALED RACERS THAT ARE NOT READY TO DIE. PEAC TO ALL FALEN RACERS NEWER FORGOTEN
pizdasvinjska 1 year ago
This is why Jackie Stewart and Murray Walker are the smartest people in the F1 world.
thatguywiththecodes 1 year ago
He was never on my list of the very quickest of drivers, but he won his championships in a deadly era and you have to respect Stewart for improving the safety of motor sport and F1 in particular........
flybywir 1 year ago
Great video. What circuit is being shown in the last piece of footage?
ROONTANG 1 year ago
Nurburgring?
spercepolnes21 1 year ago
@ROONTANG rouen-les-essarts, france
ksjdgbfu 1 year ago
@ROONTANG it is not nurburgring or rouen, i think. it could be clermont-ferrand, the circuit if le charade or something like this.
abirle 1 year ago
@abirle Yes, it is Clermont-Ferrand, after Jo Schlessers fatal accident 1968 Formula 1 did not return to Rouen again.
argh1989 1 year ago
Hard to watch that list of fallen heroes.
Acme111 1 year ago 20
@Acme111 Especially if you keep in mind that the named people in the video make about a tenth of that list, I'd guess.
argh1989 1 week ago
The phrase "mobile petrol tanks" describes a 60's F1 car perfectly. I would love to drive a Lotus 49, but NEVER actually race it.
F1god04 2 years ago 2
yeah right Sir Jackie, Murray Walker are two really really great people. Calm, humble, never disrespectful...you just have to like both of them...
nordend33 2 years ago 4
God Bless you Jackie , you to Murray Walker !
MonkeyMagic88 2 years ago 2
*too
MonkeyMagic88 2 years ago
you have this guy a huge amount of credit. Without his efforts a lot more of our heroes would not be with us anymore...
Kubica in Montreal 2007, Burtis several accidents...just to name a few...
Hey i just checked out that since 1987 only 3 people died in F1 cars...de Angelis, Ratzenberger and the neverforgotten Ayrton Senna himself...compare that to jackies days...
nordend33 2 years ago 3
Jackie Stewart, what a big common sense man
SrRocknRoll 2 years ago
was more rally-racing then f1-racingtracks
bavarianbass 2 years ago
yes but without all the work Jackie has done for safety over the years, more drivers, marshalls and spectators would have died, no question !!! `Viva La Jackie`
gowdridge 2 years ago 69
whats the full name of this movie/documentary. i'd like to see if i can find it
Metal4Truth 2 years ago
Jackie Stewart, The Flying Scot, its on here, think thats the 1
TheAussiNut 2 years ago
At least I respect Jackie for all he has done and the brilliant driver he was.....and I have a passion for F1. Sorry for the stupid comments.
newromantic888 2 years ago 3
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Partick Depallier.........another suspension failure. People have to admit the design was wrong or like I thing someone amomg others was involved in some sort of vendetta. Beit the mafia be it he British Govenrnment. Someone killed these people. Not all but most.
newromantic888 2 years ago
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Seeing those car in the 70s and 80s turn into fast corners with big fat back wheels driving the small front wheels.........its creating twisting in the body of the car. No wonder so many suspensions broke at the front. What do u think. So much pressure put on the front part of the car. Seriosly who designed these things of hell. Scoops too kill.
newromantic888 2 years ago
You have no knowledge of racecar design,you are talking nonsense.
daterwat666 2 years ago 2
Can you explain to me then why the cars were designed like that. Also why now the wheels are equal size. I am interested to learn. Excuse my ignorance.
newromantic888 2 years ago
@newromantic888 Back then, the idea of aerodynamics was significantly more limited than it is now... the main focus was a low center of gravity (low suspension) and good airflow to the engine... many teams didn't bother with front or rear wings cause their effects were unknown. it was known they helped grip, but not how much it helped... it also slowed the cars down immensely... so many teams didn't have one.
If you wanna ask more, PM me, I know a little bit, n I'm happy to pass it on - Richy
p3rs0n42 2 years ago
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I am playing on the break/brake. Not convinced with Jimmy at all. And a lot of other drivers too. They could have been killed. Or it could have been a basic mechanical failure. We will know one day. I want to find out.
newromantic888 2 years ago
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I am just not convinced Jimmy didnt die without foul play. Ok say I am just mourning form him and my father. Maybe I am.
newromantic888 2 years ago
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newromantic888 2 years ago
At 1:30 a guy is putting out flames from the pilot, who is the pilot?
rva1945 2 years ago
not sure but I think its Monza 78.
newromantic888 2 years ago
we have to also look at sabotage.............strange things break when they do. Isnt it.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Sennas death was ........not a tragic accident.. Cervert maybe not either. Was Francois clipped.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Ronnie seems to be accident prone.......well causing them.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Jackie we cant race in America. They dont have your respect for safety.. Obviously. I am so sad to Cevert............he was a champion to be. Thaks Jackie...........u dam good celt u. u probably saved so many drivers lives.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Stewart was clearly a pioneer. With the changes he championed in F1, and the leading edge work the USAC and CART people did in IndyCar - fatalities and crippling injuries have been radically reduced. For a very interesting read - try Dr. Steven Olvey's "Rapid Response" - about the improvements he's witnessed (and championed) in auto racing. He gives much credit to the F1 folks.
daveinindy 2 years ago
Jackie Stewart is never on anyone's greatest list of world champions, but he is on my list of one of greatest. Not only is he a 3 time world champion, but he is a good man, and he has saved lives. And he was never lacking in bravery.
Bmants 2 years ago
what track was that at the end?
muppet6789 2 years ago
That was footage of Clermont-Ferrand, located in the midst of France
Castaspellonme 2 years ago
thanks muchly
muppet6789 2 years ago
forgot cevert in de list ..
lefollon 2 years ago 3
To fully understand those years ,I suggest
to think back to regular cars'safety level in the 60/70es: real metal traps.
This gap is identically resembled when comparing vintage racing cars with recent
ones. In the past decades we could often read of regular cars burning after a crash
...several cars had their metal tank under the front hood and were totally free from any kind of safety items.The one piece steering column caused thousands of deadly chest injuries,just as a sample.
indigoblue555 2 years ago
nice clip. Nikki Lauda once said, "when you crash and everything goes quiet, keep your head down. You may be flying through the air".
speedskiff2 2 years ago 11
Even today,when bits are flying about after an incident, no driver is safe, as we've seen so horribly twice this month.
ysgol3 2 years ago 9
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It's easy for Stewart to complain about the safety.
He forgets it's him and his collegues who took the insane risks before making sure it was safe enough. Why was that? Money!
It's a sport, if you can't stand the danger, don't play the game!
RuudJH 2 years ago
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You are a complete fucking retard aren't you?
Monkeynese 2 years ago
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No I'm not.
Are you?
RuudJH 2 years ago
If you think racing is only for money, you don't know the real passion we feel for it, you'll never understand the real feeling.
It's something that's in your blood, part of you. Even the most deadly danger cannot make you let it go. I just love racing, love speed. It's a relentless feeling.
vinniesoares 2 years ago 4
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Sure I understand the passion.
What i don't understand is why they take the risks if they know it's insane.
The changes Stewart suggests have made the sport safer, but also quite boring. Look at F1 and see it's become a parade, not a race anymore.
RuudJH 2 years ago
Once again, we cannot have it all...I agree with you, F1 is not what it was, and it's such a bad thing.
But I remember the last one who died and I see that it was a great loss not just for us, brasillians, but to the world. Keep it safer...
vinniesoares 2 years ago
sorry, but safety has little to do with what you call a lack of racing ( i think you mean overtaking). aero rules have everything to do with it.
elsuperjeffe 2 years ago 5
Watch your words! Stewart has more expierience than, so he can explain it better and he knows nore about the danger. And, b.t.w., if Massa didnt crash, Schumacher wouldn't return. You should have probed the cars, like me, but I don't mean that I have probed them, I'm not racing driver.
KillerDreck89 2 years ago 4
F1 remains one the most dangerous sports ever up until today. No matter what they do in order to protect the drivers, it'll always be dangerous. Having said that, many thanks to Sir Jackie Stewart, who made this awfully perilous sport a much safer one.
rafa281 2 years ago 7
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I disagree. It's no longer particularly dangerous. Drivers know they have very little chance of being killed or seriously hurt. This means there is not as much risk, and therefore sheer bravery is no longer necessary for a racing driver, meaning that it levels the playing field.
Before it was too dangerous, now it's too safe. It was about right up until 1994.
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Camerameister 2 years ago
i agree 100%, the sheer bravery is gone from F1, i have to admit the danger of the sport makes it more exciting
chief1tooth 2 years ago
Yes chief1tooth. Have you noticed that when we now have the occasional unfortunate accident, such as Massa's, everyone starts bleating about how to make it even safer?
Ridiculous! Motor racing needs an element of danger, and all those who don't like it should go and watch tennis instead.
AussieDefenceForce 2 years ago
I still watch F1 but it changed for the worse after senna died. The only track that resembles the past is spa. Most other tracks were ruined with chicanes to slow cars. I think the Indy 500 is one of the few races with an element of danger, not like it was years ago but still exciting despite the problems of open wheel racing in america. Soon racing will be like slot car racing.
chief1tooth 2 years ago
Does anyone know what part of Brands Hatch Jo Siffert's accident happened?
drwho5004 2 years ago
A Knight protects people no matter what. Sir Jackie Stewart did just that.Along with others. We can enjoy F1 and LeMans racing a lot more because of better standards however the risk is still there...
135678987 2 years ago 15
this type of racing is too unpredictable to be truly be "death free"
stampede122 2 years ago
Since as the F1 cars now are so safe and the race tracks are better equiped for the racing we will hopefully never see another death in F1 ! the last death was 15 years ago!
drwho5004 2 years ago 8
actually if i remember correctly a marshall was killed in 2000 at monza on the first lap
th3r3n3g4d3 2 years ago
actually another marshall died the following march at the 2001 australian gp
lympog 2 years ago 3
sure BAR Villeneuve..............ther tire went thru the way fence and hit the Marshall. Nothing Jackie or u and I can do about it. Seriously bad luck.
newromantic888 2 years ago
Sounds like things were really mickey mouse in those days, but at the same time, it really says something about the courage and determination of the drivers who kept it up race after race, year after year regardless, and whose sacrifices paved the way for so many of the car and safety developments we enjoy today.
ancalites 2 years ago 4
Having raced myself (albeit a couple of seasons or so in Karts in the late 70's) I wish to say that at no time when I was driving did I think of death! We were young then and death was for others! I reckon most (if not all) race drivers will agree, you NEVER think its going to happen to you (certainly not whilst on the track anyway) and any race driver (and true spectator for that matter) knows that motor racing is (and in a way always will be) dangerous. These were pioneers 0 I salute them all!
Factnotfictionpeople 2 years ago 7
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I hate to disagree with JS who was actually there. But fact remains that now u cant see shit of the race cause youre 100+ m from the actual track. The tracks are easy, the cars so extreme a comp is doing 80% of the actual racing. The excitement and the feel of real racing is gone for me. Nburg was a real test in its pre69 days and many heroes from the 30ties, 50ties and 60ties lived through it. I think the cars just ran away from the tracks, like golfing eqiup does today with old courses :(
barath4545 2 years ago
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vadersbain 2 years ago
@ barath4545
I wasn't aware that the cars selected the gears, steered the car and decided the throttle input. Amazing. :O
vadersbain 2 years ago
They actually did some of all 3 things just some years ago to an extend. Just put in a mildly talented guy with fast reflexes and the computers can handle the rest. I stand by with Moss's stmt of Thrill being a motivator. He doesnt have to be able to half the things they needed to be able to in the early days, despite the speed being slower.
barath4545 2 years ago
Good that racing is safer for drivers and spectators. Would hate to be watching a race and get killed.
Racing has lost a lot with so much computer control. Maybe I'm old school but would love to see F1 get rid of paddle shifters and make em clutch and shift like the old days. Nothing like missing a shift and getting past.
Makes driver skill more a part of the race.
tapeatsbill 2 years ago
Oh by the way - watch Wolfgang von Trips 1961 accident. Spectators dead. Horrible. Its shows how dangerous things were. Not goo. Much better now except today's cars aren't as cool. Safer but not as cool. Hey I'm just saying.
tapeatsbill 2 years ago
thanks to sir jackie and dr. watkins.
goofballez 2 years ago 26
@goofballez
Sid Watkins was a godsend- I worked as a theatre nurse under him at the London Hospital. Later I went to Helsinki to study. When Sid got to Hakkinen after his 95 Melbourne crash and saved him by a trackside trachiotomy, the joke at the Uni was that old Sid could have driven round the track in a Yugo and used a biro tube and the ultimate effect upon Mika's brain would not have been noticed... afterwards.
krakenwave 1 year ago 2
Yes, those days in F1 were obviously dangerous. But you can thank those guys (REAL DRIVERS) for things such as, fuel injection, anti-lock brakes, anti-submarine seats (Mark Donahue invented these), and of course high octane fuels! Those were real men, who knew very well the risks they were taking. Alot of the fatalaties back then were due to mechanical failures, wretched track conditions just made things worse. But we're grown-ups, racing is, and always will be gladiatorial at some level.
1doc1savage1 2 years ago 11
Good clip.
flixtech 2 years ago
Do any of you know what documentary this clip comes from?
sidious36 2 years ago
i have his autobiography (highly recommend it) and this dvd documentary came with it
wawwwaaa 2 years ago
Rest in peace Francois Cevert
Waitingforriki 3 years ago 7
Yeah, he is still as yound and handsome as he was when he lost his life at Watkins Glen. Happy birthday, Francois, you will never be forgotten!
jbcranberry 2 years ago 3
Jackie Stewert was very lucky as an F1 racer. To be able to get through that time, when saftey was more or less non-exsistent, it takes luck. They just treated death as a part of racing.
The tracks where crap, the cars where 4 wheeled bombs.
Zoomer30 3 years ago 10
He obviously knew he was lucky & certainly living on borrowed time. This is why he chose to retire at the end of the 1973 season. Not just cos' he's team mate was so tragically killed at Watkins Glen as he's already made his decision to retire from Formula1 before that..Stewart was lucky but also very smart..Think how difficult it's been for him to walk away from the sport he truly loved? RIP Ronnie Peterson!
Waitingforriki 3 years ago 7
Sir Jackie, 2nd in line to Scottish throne after Sir Sean...
Real sad his good friend and team mate Cevert died during practice at Stewart's last F1 GP.
vivwritten 3 years ago
Sir Jackie deserve the thanks of every driver who has survived racing accidents in the past 40 years. A magnificent driver and a better human being for his work at keeping his friends alive. I got his autograph at the USGP 2005, otherwise known as the Michelin debacle.
natureboy99 3 years ago 10
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at the end that ridiculous sound of an accelerating car, while in the picture, car clearly going slowly into turns
sanddune1981 3 years ago
dude, you obviously know nothing about racing. listen closely and you can hear the engine accelerating and decelerating and the transmission shifting right where it should.
natureboy99 3 years ago 4
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Have you ever thought about the meaning of your words?? Yes i know absolutely nothing about racing. What racing is? Is it something like eating cheese?
sanddune1981 3 years ago
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you're stupid.
mightycowhero 3 years ago
If you want to know just how dangerous, watch the '67 movie Grand Prix. Circuits include Zandvoort, the original Spa and Monza. You'll know then what possessed Stewart.
Efrasnel 3 years ago 6
Jackie Stewart's television work in the United States also helped bring more safety to FIA events, seeing as how NASCAR and USAC were light years ahead of F-1 (1973 at Indy notwithstanding).
Stewart spoke out. He was right.
jamcellar 3 years ago 7
I think what you mean is open wheel racing ofthe day was severly more dangerous then full bodied cars such as NASCAR. Indy was just as bad as F1 up until the late 70's. Like Jackie said, they were nothing more then fuel tanks with an engine strapped on one end and a drive on the other. From me and all other drivers around they world, we salute you Sir Jackie Stewert in all that you have done.
blacdout96 3 years ago
Why is Jackie never on anyones greatest list. He is a 3 time world champion and an excellent driver. He was great!
Bmants 3 years ago 9
to Bmants - Jackie Stewart deserves being
rated as one of the best in the 60/70es age.
Put aside his great skill in wet races,
Stewart could be compared to Prost as far as clever managing of the risk factor is concerned.
More than an excellent driver on my op.......
and a gentleman as well.
indigoblue555 3 years ago 7
to Bmants - that's right! Why ? Basically because he's alive or better because he hasn't passed away in a fatal accident.
Think back to Villeneuve,Bandini,Rindt,
Rodriguez,Peterson,Siffert,Cevert,Bellof etc,etc....all of then have a wide pack of
fans,but none of them has been a 3 times
world champion.He was clever,superfast and a good tester too.
Recovered after a huge crash,and got 3 times the world championship.
Somehow a kind of Prost but faster on the wet and in overtakings.
indigoblue555 3 years ago
When racers were men!!!! Not the Sprite-guzzling nancy boys in the F1 today.
Zebonka 3 years ago 2
to Zebonka - ....those were the cars,the tyres,the chassis and the tracks.
Brave drivers are stil around...but F1 has
changed so much since then.
indigoblue555 3 years ago
what a good sincere man
dearchap 3 years ago
From 2:16 you can see a F2 race in Montjuich (1967?) is seen the same point where Hill and Rind crashed in 1969 and Stommelen in 1975 when 4 people died. The hay bales of 1967 became two barriers in 1969, three in 1975 and also fences below. It wasnt enought...
eliesforadecasa 3 years ago 2
In 1:30 we see a pilot in the ground with the back of his overalls on fire, and the marshal with fire extinguisher extinguishing the car fire and not the pilot's back. Stupid marshals...
jerryaltman 3 years ago 2
now thats what seperated the men from the boys
Willbutler 3 years ago
all it takes is a wee
scott with big balls
gofigure182820 3 years ago 4
I understand that the cars were fast, but whats the point if a great driver cant live to tell the tale? The quote, "How many of us must die?" sums it up perfectly. How safe would the sport be today without Jackie? Safety is his legacy, and that is greater than championships. Anyone can win those, but how many can do what he has done?
F1god04 3 years ago
Who die(Or was injured) in the accidents at 1.18, 1.20, 1.22, 1.29, 1.34?
When happened they?
I only know the 1.36 accident, is the accident of Jo Schlesser in 1968.#
P.S: Stewart is a great racer and gentleman.
urugodeiv 3 years ago
The only one i can think of urugodeiv is the moment from 1:22 to 1:24 is Mike Hailwood trying to get Clay Reggazoni out his burning car at the 1973 South African GP. Correct me if im wrong.
And i agree with you about Jackie. The sport wouldnt be safer without his work.
slipperysam33 3 years ago
okay, thanks!
now i would know how die or was injured in the other crashes. ;)
urugodeiv 3 years ago
It was Jacky Oliver whose brakes failed and he smashed on the downhill into Jacky Ickx's Ferrari (in 1970, Spain), Oliver was almost immediately out of the car, but Ickx almost died there, when he finally came out, his whole body was burning. Nevertheless, a few weeks later he was already racing again.
Jacky Ickx, greatest driver of all time btw
M3addicted 3 years ago