I deny parts of the Bible. For any one to state that EVERYTHING in the Bible is 'true' or the 'word of God' is just plain insanity. I'd be willing to debate anyone on that one.
U know the Holy Spirit by PRAYER!! There are many wonderful things in the Bible, YES! However, the Bible does not give u salvation! Jesus gives u salvation!! Your Bible is a book of instructions, written by man, much of it inspired by God, compiled & edited by man & some books were even rejected by the Roman Catholic church. Scripture can be misinterpreted - Jesus speaking to you can not! I never heard him say, EVER, to burn the Bible! YOU should be broadcasting LOVE.
@A79 One receives the Holy Spirit by believing on Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures. In 1 Cor 15:1-4. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, so it is the Holy Spirit who gave the Scriptures that prophesy of Christ and tell us how to be saved. Come to Jesus through believing the Bible which is HIS-STORY.
King James born 6, 1566, 6th king out of the House of Stuart authorized 66 books (bible) that you hold in your hand and memorize in your head and that you call the Word of God. This is blasphemy, Yahusha is the Word of God. Ask Yahusha for the Holy Spirit, dont be lead by a book. Yahusha did not send a book. The apostles did not have books, they had the Holy Spirit. The Bible is the Mark of the Beast
@DSJoe One receives the Holy Spirit by believing on Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures. In 1 Cor 15:1-4. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, so it is the Holy Spirit who gave the Scriptures that prophesy of Christ and tell us how to be saved. Come to Jesus through believing the Bible which is HIS-STORY.
@Enoch2 you dont have faith in a book. You dont believe in the bible. You put your faith in God. Jesus died to send the holy spirit, not a book which testifies of Him. Truth is in the Spirit, not in a book. The bible is 66 books you hold in your hand and put in your hand. Billions of people have the bible nowadays and they all believe something diferent. King james born 6/1566 was the 2nd beast, the bible his mark to control us in the flesh.Jesus is spirit, he is the word of God. not a book
@DSJ I received this comment, it's true: Many today have the false notion teaching that the Incarnate Word Jesus Christ is one Word and the written Word is another.But you cannot have two inerrant, infallible Words spoken of the same Person and they not be the same.Jesus the Incarnate Word is the written Word when the Spirit is revealing.There are not two Words one incarnate and one written, they are the same Word.Infallible Word, Jesus Christ, Written infallible, Word.Good message
@Enoch2 I replied to him (polopowers1) this: Amen, your phrase "Jesus the Incarnate Word is the written Word when the Spirit is revealing" reminds me of this verse:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
It's Jesus's Word (the Scriptures) spoken unto us by the Lord (the Spirit of Christ) that is the Word of God.
"You am tell me"? You speak of judging one another but what are you doing? You say you dislike judgement but spout the same. Ummmm by the way, the word punk does not incite a reply as you would like. Its funny, just not of any practical gain and in no way supports you're cause. Thank you for the constant exposure of the hateful spirit you have. Its been a pleasure.
@fakebrake you are as blind as the blind, leading them in the ditch, you can call it what you want PUNK, I am no where hating anyone nor anybody, however, I can''t stand when another human being go to others about an individual; instead of talking or telling that person you are talking about. I don't judge either, why would you spit poison on someone, tell them about them to them not to us. P U N K.
@mrsgmason Quite simply, everyone who has tried to talk to this man one on one is blocked. Did you consider that while you took the time to articulate the last post to me? Have you asked anyone. Have you asked me what my concerns are? No and No so you are acting hypocritically and still playing the childish name game. We can do this forever is you like.
Amen Brother! I've tested this man's Spirit, and I've found out that his Spirit is not of God.. The way you test a Spirit is by the word of God, and if one truly knows the Holy Spirit and the intimacy that we have, then you test him on that. Finalcall can't comprehend with all Saints what is the height the depth and length that separates us Christians from the world Ephesians 3:17-19. Finalcall only has a relationship with the seducing spirits that's rubbing his shoulders whispering in his ears.
Do this in decent and in order, not take the opportunity to make yourself appear important and that you know it all, you are working independently and you PISSED me off
James 3 read the whole thing so it can expose you, I am so sick of you punks acting as if you are so holy than though and you get on here and cause more confusion for those who are already lost and make more confusion. you piss me off with this poop. I am human, I am not GOD and I do have on the armor of my HEAVENLY FATHER to fight you all that are helping satan, Yes I am pissed, I said it, cause you are human you ain't GOD you are the worker of iniquity make me so sick drama queens
If you have the HOLY SPIRIT you don't have to ask another, or feed into more confusion. Pharisee; this video make me question the spirit in you. GOD hates the proud look, discern that
Great video! See my vid "Finalcall07 2011 False Prophecy!!" for a definitive ex. of the lies being told by the false spirit leading him.
One danger of throwing away your Bible of course is that you no longer have a way of knowing whether the spirit you are believing is the Spirit of Christ...or another (different) spirit (as Paul warns in 2 Cor 11:3-4).
Finalcall07 implants the false ASSUMPTION that the Scripture is opposed to the Spirit, when in fact it is GIVEN by the Spirit (2 Tim 3:16)!
@Enoch2 2 Tim 3;16, applies to you too for years, not minutes, hours, days, months, but years, you have been speaking against JB, like you GOD, you better check yourself, you are no better than the lies you spreading about him. idiot, you pissed me off, you ain't GOD
@Enoch2- If god subjected creation to vanity, the scripture texts clearly show it was his decision. If death results, it was god that caused it, not creation. If he set this whole cycle of death in motion for jesus to die, it was not the decision of any part of creation, especially when such a plan was devised before creation. So why, then, subject people unwilling to a sinful nature before their existence in order to force acceptance of the so called son of god, knowing they had
@rooio3 It might help your understanding--if that is what you want--if you changed your way of thinking of men as "having" a sin nature to "being" a sin nature.
@Enoch2- I find it hard to accept such a statement of a "degree in bible literature" with the bible being much stronger in argument. It's a silly statement given my studies of ancient religions, especially in Mesopotamia and the Ancient Near East. Perhaps that's what you lack, because it reveal the background of the material in the bible. Quoting scriptures as proof is no more stronger than quoting hamlet. The sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.
@Enoch2- That's your main problem, placing scripture on the level of truth. We know from evidence, this is false. I know biblical scripture and have read every book in the bible. Stop leaning on these texts to prove your point, it won't help you. My thinking has nothing to do with confirming the contents of the bible, for one. When I speak about sin, I talk about it from the point of reading literature, not because
@Enoch2- I believe the scriptures. According to the texts, god subjected humans to sin. They had no choice in the matter, which is not free will. In the new testament texts, this was a plan he devised before creation- before adam & eve. They sinned because he wanted creation subjected to vanity. And he choose the "elect" before creation also, seeing he decided the end from the beginning. The new testament texts depict god as controlling every aspect of events transpiring.
@rooio3 I found that many of the things scholars (archaeologists, historians, religious scholars of literature) teach and believe they have proven are in fact false. Often this is because they are opinions based on a priori unbelief.
As for what you say the Scriptures say, you are not correct. We certainly did have choice in the matter.
"And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" Gen 3:11
@Enoch2-You haven't been looking at substantial verified evidence, thus leading to your conclusion of "false teaching & belief" of scholars. I speak of tangible evidence, not conception. Of course your own personal belief wouldn't subject you to a bias toward your religion...no. That's not possible, no. And what I said was correct. The scripture in the new testament point to god deciding this BEFORE creation. That is...before adam & eve.
@Enoch2-Pointing to old testament scripture will not dismiss new testament contradictions. One would find it odd god would not know before hand they would eat from the tree, then ask if they ate from it as if he could not foresee this, being an omniscient deity who placed the tree there knowingly. Ancient Israel was not concerned with a preplanned "secret" messianic concept that christianity established, that is why you don't find such a thing in the old testament, particular the first
@Enoch2-books. And the god of ancient Israel originated from the deities of the culture Israel emerged from- Canaan, who also got their material from the earlier inhabitants of the region- the Sumerians. So, as said before, biblical depiction is not historical fact. Next.
@rooio3 And at least I informed you of my belief, you are entitled to your belief, my job is done. I'm here if/when you need me. :) PS-and this is how it is to be handled. PERIOD, and if anyone push it, lets you know they are up to no good. Be Blessed my friend.
@rooio3 Oh, I will get back with you on your questions, must answer an annoying person who like to push JESUS CHRIST on people to the point he pushes them away. Who have the nerve to call someone a false prophet for years to others.
@mrsgmason- I don't have a "belief". I follow the facts and the evidence. What I said about Israel is based on the external historical & archeological evidence. I assume you're belief is based on the biblical text itself, yet the biblical text is not based on historical truth but Ideology, idealized reality. There isn't anything a christian can tell me that I don't already know about the bible. But I do know many things about the religion many christians aren't aware of.
@rooio3 I don't believe in GOD; I know, and that was before the knowledge of the Bible. I come from slaves, some of us didn't know how to read; however, with that background, we saw GOD Almighty at work, without the Bible. So I knew GOD, before, I knew the word. If you think about it; GOD was all slaves had. QUESTION: Harried Tubman
@mrsgmason Before your people were slaves, it is probable they were pagans in Africa. Without the preaching of the Word, the truth of the Bible, we have no true knowledge of God. In the days of slavery in America, the Jesus revealed in the Bible was preached and that is how slaves came to faith in God.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Rom 10:14
@Enoch2 oh yeah, unless you grew up and heard the stories from generation to generation, the outside had no idea what we really communicated. So again, the proof is 1 example only, Harriett Tubman never left the plantation, only to go in town to work and earn extra money. She had help by godly people with the underground railroad. You can say and do what you want, to still have the "proud look". my opinion, so I see right through you Enoch2.
@mrsgmason-Many people in the ancient world come from a background of slavery of some kind, it was common. Your perception of "GOD Almighty" is based on deity that doesn't even exist. You don't even know the background behind it or the history of the region in the middle east. It is merely your perception of an invented deity you know. Not god. There were egyptian slaves, yet they believed in Ra. I'm sure they thought they "knew" Ra too. It's foolishness. Instead embrace rationality
@mrsgmason-If you base all this on africans, it's meaningless. Everyone's ancestry can be traced back to africa through our own genes in the human genome. All modern humans have african ancestry because humans originated from africa before spreading out. We're all part of the same species, every human has an african background because we all share the same common ancestor. Humans have a history of seeking to separate themselves amongst each other.
@rooio3 It began in slavery with my ancestery, not end with it. w/o the Bible, GOD has a way of showing you whose GOD period. HE proven that HIMSELF when I was a child. We don't rely on man only; however, faith; trust, in I AM, to show us the way to obtain, maintain, & remain pleasing in HIS sight as the first Enoch and not of the descendant of Cain; but of Seth.
@mrsgmason-"It began in slavery with my ancestry, not end with it."- that's the point. Your ancestry is everyone's ancestry, you're not unique in that way. The only difference is in the way humans behave toward each other. That's why you get slavery, which is not limited to africans. Again, all you state is your own perception of what you think "god" is. Cain, Seth, all of those people are not real people. Humans did not descend from a fictional adam-eve. The story
@mrsgmason- is simply an Israelite adaptation of an older myth from another culture in the middle east. That's what Israel does, take things that are familiar and change them for a different purpose. All these mythic stories of the bible have roots to older polytheistic civilizations who believed in many gods, not one. The stories originate from polytheism. YOU talk to air, yes. You PERCEIVE this interaction to be communicating with a god somewhere. That doesn't make it reality.
@mrsgmason- Your religion is full of different belief structures, it should be no surprise to you. There are over 38,000 different denominal splits in the religion alone and they all teach different things spun on the biblical texts. Just as you feel they are corrupting biblical belief structure, they feel the exact same way of you. It's an endless pointless cycle. This is always the case because it is a belief structure built on personal perception-faith is chaotic fluidity.
@Enoch2- no choice in the matter of choosing not to be born in sin and automatically sentence to "death" unfairly? They are literature errors because the bible is a work of literature. Anyone who studies literary techniques will notice them throughout the biblical text applied by the writers of the text.
@rooio3 My degree in the Bible as literature was the path to faith for me so I can't agree with you. I subjected the arguments of the skeptics to the same skepticism they put to the Bible, and found the Bible to be MUCH stronger. I encourage you to look deeper and not choose unbelief a priori. We each have sinned, death is the result of our own choices (see Rom 5:12). Sin shows we are not God, but God has graciously given us the victory over death through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Why did god see all his creation as good when it is later revealed he purposely subjected it to vanity? Why did god ask adam and eve their whereabouts, if they ate the fruit, then curse the serpent, eve, and adam? This is inconsistent with god's omniscience. God should have known full well, ahead of time, what the outcome would be since god created the three as well as the tree of knowledge. These are literature errors of the creators of the stories.
@rooio3 No, they're not "literature errors" they are your human faulty understanding.
E.g., if you read where God says He subjected the creature to vanity (b/c of DEATH), the answer is given (Rom 8:19-21)! It was done as part of God's redemptive plan, and is not forever. Remember it is through DEATH of Christ on the cross and His Resurrection that we are saved (1 Cor 15:1-4)!
Also when God asked the sinners their whereabouts, it is the Good Shepherd, Jesus, seeking his lost sheep!
@Enoch2 false teaching PUNK, you are not always saved once you are saved, you better read that Bible some boy, you don't have the HELPER in you, cause you would seek GOD and all his righteousness and all and everything will be added to you, you are lost and need to go to GOD. stop trying to appear important to others. GOD hates the proud look. I am going to ask GOD to forgive me, but you butt needs to be put in your place, and go to GOD you are dead wrong.
@mrsgmason I think my latest video proving finalcall07 is a false teacher must have struck a nerve. And you can tell me I'm lost all you like, I know the Lord Jesus--rather I'm known of Him, He's my Lord and God, and I know He saved me.
If anyone could lose their salvation, they must be doing something to keep it...which would make salvation a result of grace PLUS human works. But the Scripture says it's by grace, and grace and works don't mix (Rom 11:6). Ever think about that?
@mrsgmason You need to calm down. Do you think the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ led you to call someone a "Punk" "boy" or "butt head". Is this the spirit of the Lord as you have come to understand it? Should we read the bible that Jon B. says is or could be evil and a deception? The mistake you have made is to trust in a man and not the Lord Jesus and then the flesh has led you to this place you are now. We all fall short of the Glory of God. Just think about it. Its easy to be led astray.
@fakebrake No its not, thank GOD, that I have GOD in my life to check me who can check me only, and not man. I don't trust no man, because he is man. I trust in GOD Almighty; but for another man to talk about and not to another to others is a no good PUNK, PERIOD, Thank GOD I am not GOD, but man, who is only human. And GOD sees my mistakes, why should I hide them from you. NOW WHAT?
@fakebrake it's called being real, not fake, the reason why GOD has my back when I am truthful; however, this is called tough LOVE to you all with your judging another, and I am tell you, to you about you, you all are telling another about someone else & making yourself look bad. I am telling you, about you, PERIOD. You can't see your own speck for looking at another's. GOD got me, don't need to know what you saying to me, you are man, PUNK; not GOD. I'm Peter, Moses, Elijah, David & etc.
@mrsgmason LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are Peter, Moses, Elijah, David, etc. I must have missed all the words of the prophet etc. You are in fact just a nut job i fear.
Please tell me how the concept of christ is valid, when according to biological evidence, such a man could not have existed since his genealogy is traced back to a fictional adam in scripture? How could there be light of a day and night before there was a sun, since the sun is a star, which the "heavenly bodies" are also stars, that gives light on the earth? How did plants began to grow before there was sunlight when the sun is needed for photosynthesis?
why do they all share the same genes? Why, then, would man have genes of flies, and plants, and primates, and bacteria? Genes are carried over through living organisms that can be traced back. The strongest evidences for common descent comes from the study of gene sequences. If Adam and Eve were not literal people, then Cain, Abel and Seth were not literal either, and the history of Genesis 4 and the genealogy of Genesis 5 make no sense, and there can be no ongoing consequences of "sin".
So tell me, justin, if everything is solely based on what god wanted and not the individual, why didn't he choose all if he could have? Why did he place the tree of life in the same garden without restriction when they could have eaten that and live forever? Why was the flood necessary knowing it would not solve the problem of "sin" in the first place? If Adam was formed as a special act of creation from "the dust of the ground", and the land produce living creatures according to their kinds,
@rooio3 given someone a choice, is called allowing them to decide what is offered out here. Not you dictating to them what they better do in order to have you. If you love someone, trust that they will pick you & relate with you & comply with what you expect in the relationship. That is the same thing about GOD - just saying, let GOD tell you, just pray and ask, then wait for a response from HIM. Don't trust the HATER and his followers. Ask GOD, not man, men are idiots, most filled with ego
@mrsgmason- People are not given a choice. They are chosen BEFORE creation according to the text. They cannot decide, if god did not first CHOOSE them. They can only be drawn by god, not themselves. Jesus own words in scripture. "God" of ancient Israel underwent a metamorphosis, not as it is depicted in scripture. Ancient Israel worshiped the Canaanite gods because ancient Israel was simply part of the Canaanite culture as an ethnic group, in accord with archeological data,
@mrsgmason- which does not support the biblical narrative. The record shows they were essentially identical to the Canaanites, even the Hebrew language is a Canaanite dialect. The ethnic populations of Canaan to include Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians all descendant from migrating hunter gathers as far back as neolithic age, to settle in the region forming farming villages. Not the grandiose biblical historiography of the region. And as such, the gods
@mrsgmason- worshiped in these ancient cultures are clearly seen as heavy influence in the biblical god- merging of many elements of these deities into one, which can be tracked back.Manipulating ancient stories to adapt their own purpose in the biblical text.Old news to anyone who actually study the region and the cultures emerged from it. So I don't have to let "god" tell anything. There is no such thing, just a mythical creation of the Israelites after the collapse of Canaan.
Acts 13:48-"When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." which again clearly dismisses the belief of foreknowledge of faith. God doesn’t choose men because he foresaw they would believe and come to christ, but he makes them such because he has chosen them. Nor is it from any foresight of men’s endeavors after conversion, because he decides the actions. Everything is according to god's will.
The texts says he even prepares what particular good works a believer will do in ADVANCE, not the believer.(Ephesians 2:10). It didn't say he knew what they would do, rather he himself PREPARED it for them. That's deciding future events, not foreknowing them. For every point a believer make concerning this, a counter point can be made from the same scriptures. It is the reason why calvinism arose out of this, as is many other christian denominations.
To further drive home the point of freewill: "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight" Ephesians 1:4- completely dismisses the premise of free will. verse 5 "he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will". That means he decided in advance to adopt by choosing them before creation. Nothing here indicate people freely choose, which isn't possible if they never existed.
@evewale-So you have the choice to believe it or not. But the bible does not have evidence to support the mythical claims of the text. And there is evidence outside the bible to dismiss these stories. That's the point. The bible is ancient LITERATURE from an ancient civilization, not a historical textbook that portrays truths about this reality that we have already discovered.
@evewale-That also present another major problem because the christ story depend on sin entering the world in the genesis narrative. But the genesis narrative is not based on historical events, they are taken from earlier religious motifs of polytheistic religions in the same region. Further biological events of the human genome dismisses genesis claims of human creation. So the christ story falls apart. There is fallacy both within scripture and outside the texts.
@evewale-If a person had freedom of choice, salvation would be determined on morality through behavior. But it isn't, it's determined on faith in a savior. And such faith is determined on an election by god. "For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."John 17:2 "I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours" verse 9.
@evewale-"also before God hardens the hearts AFTER the person has rebelled, disobeyed, and harden it themselves God still gives chances to harken to his words"- everyone has "rebelled" according to scripture because god subjected them that way. They are born into it. They had no choice in deciding if they wanted to be born without this nature. It says he prepared some for destruction and prepared some for glory, in advance. A plan devised before their existence. And he chose some for glory
@rooio3 no God didn't subject them that way Adam was given the choice and he with the help of satan did so. I am not speaking of depravity I'm speaking of someone who does not harken to the warnings God provides. Plus although Scripture speaks of depravity it does not speak of inability. We are still able to hear his call. You keep going in circles with the same arguments I'm going to end this convo because I have tried sharing the truth with you and you refuse to hear
@evewale-"no God didn't subject them that way Adam was given the choice"- it does not matter if creation was subjected to vanity. god place the tree of knowledge in the garden for a reason. Then all humans are thus cursed with such nature due to the actions of the first. Otherwise we would not need a savior from sin, which was the purpose of the jesus story. It is depended on events in genesis.
@evewale-Romans 9:22 further show the only reason god endured those he chose for destruction is to display his power through his wrath. That was their purpose. That was what god planned for them when he created them. Scripture says CLEARLY god subjected creation to ruin because he wanted it that way, Romans 8:20-"For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by the will of the one who subjected it"
@rooio3 He didn't choose any for their distruction and that is why the verse states he is longsuffering, No God wants ALL men to come to repentance but the fact is many will refuse such as yourself so the condemnation of sin which is death (spritual) is upon you. Sir that him is not captalized in scripture.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope
@evewale- Romans 9:18-"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden". Verse 11-"Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." That was decided without the freewill of the twins. Same scenario with salvation.
@rooio3 the twins esau and jacob are speaking of nations, also you are still not rightly dividing the word or you would see that God does harden who he wants to harden and he wants to harden those who have harden their own hearts such as pharaoh. He gives them over to their own hardening.
@evewale-"he twins esau and jacob are speaking of nations"- which still does not dismiss the fact that their choices were decided by god BEFORE birth, they did not harden their own hearts. Nations do not changed that, and the story of the twins is in scripture before such nations developed according to the bible. I argue scriptural inconsistencies, not because I believe the stories are true. Calvinists are not mentioned in these scriptures. I simply tell what scripture says.
@rooio3 Even it it is before the nations God speaks in prophecies. Well that explains it Calvinist use their own knowledge for wisdom of scripture they do not know how to rightly divide because they lack the Holy Spirit's guidance
@evewale- "Even it it is before the nations God speaks in prophecies"-according to your belief.That doesn't make it true. I could care less about such etymological nonsense. That still does not dismiss the fact that god is actively controlling the outcome of these events in these stories. I'm not a calvinist, I'm an atheist who studies ancient religions.
@rooio3 also before God hardens the hearts AFTER the person has rebelled, disobeyed, and harden it themselves God still gives chances to harken to his words
evewale-No one can come to him if they are not FIRST drawn by...god. According to scripture, jesus had to ascend into heaven in order to release "the spirit" on believers, which is what John 12:32 mean. Romans 9:18 show god decides who to have mercy on and who not to. When questioned about this, verse 20 scolds such actions as talking back to god, then further in verse 21-23 show he has the right to create people for whatever purpose he chooses. Some made for destruction others mercy.
@rooio3 Jesus is God in flesh and he states he will draw ALL men in John 12:32 You are listening to far to many calvinist which will certainly lead you away from the truth of scripture. Here is my question why is it that you want to argue something you do not believe in? Also would you even allow the possibility of faith to come into your life if you had suffcient evidence? You are misunderstanding Scripture because you are either arguing or listening to calvinist
@evewale-Ephesians 1:11-"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will". John 6:44 Jesus says "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
@rooio3 according to the plan the plan is through Christ just as the other verse I provided states. John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.
@xchampx-believers into spirit beings, since scripture call the spirit the first part of the promise guaranteeing this "new life". Yet at the same time saying everyone who "loves" has been born of god and knows god which supposedly comes from this spirit, when we know that isn't the case, since many people who aren't believers exhibit the same qualities.
@xchampx-the bible is full of such logical errors."None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory"(1 Corinthians 2:8)- Yet if they hadn't, "salvation" wouldn't have occurred, since it is dependent on the sacrifice according to biblical logic. So if you do the right moral thing and say no to torture murder, you lose eternal life, since christ had to die in order to ascend into heaven to pour out the spirit that will transform
@rooio3 They didn't understand because God blinded them do to their wickedness 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: God promised to preserve his word the Bible speaks about how important scripture is. You are denying that the Bible is inspired directed by the mouth of God thus denying his power
@evewale-"They didn't understand because God blinded them do to their wickedness"- yet without their wickedness, no such salvation would occur. It also said if they knew who he was they wouldn't have crucified him. Since scripture says god subjected creation to sin, it only happened because god planned it. There wouldn't be any sin otherwise.
Therefore there is no point, in that view, to tell people they have a choice of believing such a gospel through repentance if the choice was decided by god, not them. If people are not "saved" based on the morality of their actions, but a predestined & pre-conformed decision "before time began", what then is the purpose for a judgment on morality? So one can easily say the scriptures are contradictory.
"Those who receive the Holy Ghost are those who believe the gospel"- yet according to scripture only those chosen by god before creation are those who will believe the gospel(Romans 8:29-30), So, it make no difference whether he never believed it, nor any need for him to "repent". If one was never appointed, according to biblical scripture logic, one will never believe. That has all to do with "god's" decision (as quoted by the supposed jesus, John 6:44), not the person.
@rooio3 "yet according to scripture only those chosen by god before creation are those who will believe the gospel" This very well may be so. I am afraid it's a lot deeper and beyond our understanding. "So, it make no difference whether he never believed it, nor any need for him to "repent"." I would disagree with that, it is still seen throughout all of scripture that God opposes the proud and unrepentant heart and STILL calls them to repent. The thing is none of us know who is saved.
@xchampx continued....that is why Jesus talks about the parable about the wheat and the tares. Tares look a lot like wheat and even though they may not be wheat, to uproot them may be damaging to the rest of the wheat. We cannot pronounce who is saved and unsaved, we can guess and "doubt" the salvation of someone, but that is clearly up for God to decide and once again, we may never know.
@xchampx-"This very well may be so. I am afraid it's a lot deeper and beyond our understanding."- Justin, you do realize you have just made an excuse for something that does not follow logic. It isn't hard to understand, that's why it make no sense. You have scripture saying god determines who will be saved, but at the same time get angry at those he did not choose. And he's angry about morality, yet will not hold the saved accountable for their morality at the same time.
@xchampx-"The thing is none of us know who is saved."- which still does not dismiss the fact that the bible says people don't choose their outcome. It is decided for them. So it doesn't matter whether a person know who is "saved". And it doesn't matter whether a person is made aware of the gospel. Only the "chosen" ones will be drawn by god according to scripture. And the parable about the wheat and tares is based not on judgment of morality, but appointmenship. To separate the picked
@rooio3 "So it doesn't matter whether a person know who is "saved". And it doesn't matter whether a person is made aware of the gospel." Now, this to me shows me how exactly you do not understand anything behind Christian theology, and what the scriptures teach for that matter. I don't expect you too though.
@xchampx-"Now, this to me shows me how exactly you do not understand anything behind Christian theology"- I understand it just fine. I know what it says. It conflicts its own message. Telling believers to spread the gospel make no difference if believers, according to scripture, are already picked before creation. If they're picked, they'll be glorified. But that does not show Jesus death was for all people to choose, because everyone was not "chosen" by god before their existence.
@rooio3 "I understand it just fine." Then be consistent. God has a plan. His plan is to call those whom are dead in their sin and need to Christ. God commands us to preach to gospel and to fear him. He commands us to test ourselves to see if our calling is true. We can see the fruit of people whom are saved. So, with these commands we must carry on his will and obey him. I believe that there is more than what meets the eye and I also believe you should be consistent which you are not.
@xchampx-"His plan is to call those whom are dead in their sin and need to Christ."- sin mean nothing if eternal life is not granted due to morality. You simply aren't thinking logically. Believers are not "saved" because of how moral they were, yet unbelievers are judged on their morality. For what? Simply because of unbelief. So morality is thrown out the window. Scripture also show christ's death is not a free choice to accept. It is predetermined before creation who will be "glorified".
@rooio3 we are all dying physically and spiritually. This is why Christ is called Savior he has thrown us the life jacket all we need to do is reach out and grab it. He gives us life He did not come to the world to condemn it (it's condemned already by sin not God) He came to save it
@xchampx-It is the scriptures that are inconsistent. I simply tell what it says, and you seem to want to ignore this, or pretend it is too complicated to understand logically. Christ died only for the chosen, not for everyone. And the chosen were picked long before their existence. Yet the bible continually state all are offered this "gift" and can choose, yet at the same time only a selected individuals are picked due to god's decision and can only be drawn by god, not themselves.
@rooio3 The chosen are any who come to Christ Eph 1:4 According as he has chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This was his plan of redeemption through CHRIST we are the chosen ANYONE who comes to him is chosen not hand picked by God
@xchampx- The other problem with the argument of sin is that is only occurred because god wanted creation that way. Scripture state is was not the choice of creation, but god (Romans 8:20). And at the same time he is going to punish people for sin from a decision he made for them to be subjected to it with no choice of their own? Since acts say those appointed to eternal life are those who will make the decision to believe, morality play no role since their choice is not determined on morals.
@xchampx- So one subjects people to sin, then punish them for it. But choose & predestined some people to save before they exist, but don't punish them for their sin. So where then is the morality in that if morality is so important? How is it morally right to judge someone for a decision that wasn't theirs to make? Where then is the justice if a person is not given the opportunity to make their own choice instead of being decided for them? Where is the freewill in that? There are holes here.
@rooio3 "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14
@xchampx-Which explain nothing about the apparent contradictions in scripture itself. Even the "spirit" is based off....scripture. You would know no better had you not have read of it. And scripture merely describe the spirit as power from heaven, and believers personify it. Yet scripture, as we've seen, is contradictory.So you relying on scripture to attempt to justify its errors in logic do you no good. Running from the issue won't make it go away. Stand up and address it.
@rooio3 Again believers are not "picked" but known to choose to accept God's gift of salvation and reconciliation by His FOREKNOWLEDGE. Rom 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
@evewale- They are are picked, chosen, before creation. The only ones glorified are the only ones predestined. That what it means, to determine in advance, not simply have knowledge of future events. But to be active in deciding outcomes. Scripture clearly says they can only be drawn by god, NOT themselves. God chose them. The decision does not come from them.
@rooio3 God has influence but his plan was for the chosen to be ANYONE who would come through Chrst. You have to rightly divide scripture and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance you will not understand it by your own knowledge. Jesus said he will draw ALL men to himself
@evewale-No one can come through christ if they were not first drawn by god, found written in your own scriptures plain as day. You cannot get past that fact. There is nothing hard to understand about that. It says this in one place and the opposite in another. Contradictions.
Respond to this video... "An unrepentant heart, then is baseless if eternal life is not dependent on moral actions." Can you demonstrate this theologically? Where in the bible does God say "do not repent" and where it says the gospel doesn't matter? If it doesn't matter then why would Christ die for the world? If it didn't matter to him then he'd just drown us from the beginning.
@xchampx-ones from the unpicked ones. An unrepentant heart, then is baseless if eternal life is not dependent on moral actions. It make no sense to call for repentance for a predetermined reward not even based off actions. It also reveal no real purpose for an unbeliever to be "created" in the first place only to knowingly destroy them for unbelief as a byproduct of a choosing game.
Those who receive the Holy Ghost are those who believe the gospel, and them ONLY. Finalcall07 denies the gospel, the imputation of Christ, and salvation by faith alone. He has never believed the gospel, hence he does not have the Holy Ghost. He is not being led by the Holy Ghost but rather the devil himself. He needs to repent and believe the gospel or he needs to keep away from the body of Christ. There is no middle ground in this situation.
Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is a dead letter, therefore the Bible is not the word of God. The Bible is a implement He uses for our benefit, but it is not Him. Why do people refuse to get this fact?
Abstract? They have no meaning? Obviously you have no idea about what the Holy Spirit is. And the most important point is people like you who have no idea about Jan are bashing him and saying he is contradicting the Bible. If you had the Holy Spirit direct your life you would understand that he is not against the Bible. Your just stating information without any backup.We need Jesus to be saved, nothing else. Once we have read the words of Jesus we need to practice them, not just keep on studying
@Rasket3 Have you not seen Jan's many videos where he says the bible is not Gods word? You should repent for taking the word of a man over the word of our Lord and savior. I love ya and it makes me so sad that people are following this man even tho he is leaven. :( He is a wolf wrapped in sheep's clothes. I was under condemnation for a long time because of this man. Now I have the peace that passes understanding. My faith is in Jesus Christs FINISHED work on the cross. I hope yours is too. ♥
@Rasket3 He is contradicting his very own words it my main point. If you watch his videos, on many instances he denies the bible as the word of God. While I agree that the bible in and of itself does NOT save you, its message is crucial in becoming a believer. Romans 10:17. Also, it is the guideline to know what is of sound doctrine and what is not. If you stray from biblical teachings then you are lead into heresy (i.e. Catholic Church).
I deny parts of the Bible. For any one to state that EVERYTHING in the Bible is 'true' or the 'word of God' is just plain insanity. I'd be willing to debate anyone on that one.
TheAdultChild101 1 month ago
@TheAdultChild101 "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;" John 10:35
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." John 17:17
"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," Matt 19:4
Your debate is with the Lord.
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2 I thought I had a debate with you, but since you can't handle the job, that's fine.
TheAdultChild101 1 month ago
U know the Holy Spirit by PRAYER!! There are many wonderful things in the Bible, YES! However, the Bible does not give u salvation! Jesus gives u salvation!! Your Bible is a book of instructions, written by man, much of it inspired by God, compiled & edited by man & some books were even rejected by the Roman Catholic church. Scripture can be misinterpreted - Jesus speaking to you can not! I never heard him say, EVER, to burn the Bible! YOU should be broadcasting LOVE.
AmandaOakley79 1 month ago
@A79 One receives the Holy Spirit by believing on Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures. In 1 Cor 15:1-4. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, so it is the Holy Spirit who gave the Scriptures that prophesy of Christ and tell us how to be saved. Come to Jesus through believing the Bible which is HIS-STORY.
Read Jn 5:46-47
Watch the vid "Finalcall07 2011 False Prophecy!!"
Enoch2 1 month ago
King James born 6, 1566, 6th king out of the House of Stuart authorized 66 books (bible) that you hold in your hand and memorize in your head and that you call the Word of God. This is blasphemy, Yahusha is the Word of God. Ask Yahusha for the Holy Spirit, dont be lead by a book. Yahusha did not send a book. The apostles did not have books, they had the Holy Spirit. The Bible is the Mark of the Beast
DopeSpotJoe 1 month ago
@DSJoe One receives the Holy Spirit by believing on Jesus Christ, that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose again the third day, according to the Scriptures. In 1 Cor 15:1-4. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, so it is the Holy Spirit who gave the Scriptures that prophesy of Christ and tell us how to be saved. Come to Jesus through believing the Bible which is HIS-STORY.
Read Jn 5:46-47
Watch the vid "Finalcall07 2011 False Prophecy!!"
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2 you dont have faith in a book. You dont believe in the bible. You put your faith in God. Jesus died to send the holy spirit, not a book which testifies of Him. Truth is in the Spirit, not in a book. The bible is 66 books you hold in your hand and put in your hand. Billions of people have the bible nowadays and they all believe something diferent. King james born 6/1566 was the 2nd beast, the bible his mark to control us in the flesh.Jesus is spirit, he is the word of God. not a book
DopeSpotJoe 1 month ago
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@DSJ I received this comment, it's true: Many today have the false notion teaching that the Incarnate Word Jesus Christ is one Word and the written Word is another.But you cannot have two inerrant, infallible Words spoken of the same Person and they not be the same.Jesus the Incarnate Word is the written Word when the Spirit is revealing.There are not two Words one incarnate and one written, they are the same Word.Infallible Word, Jesus Christ, Written infallible, Word.Good message
Enoch2 1 month ago
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@Enoch2 I replied to him (polopowers1) this: Amen, your phrase "Jesus the Incarnate Word is the written Word when the Spirit is revealing" reminds me of this verse:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
It's Jesus's Word (the Scriptures) spoken unto us by the Lord (the Spirit of Christ) that is the Word of God.
Enoch2 1 month ago
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"You am tell me"? You speak of judging one another but what are you doing? You say you dislike judgement but spout the same. Ummmm by the way, the word punk does not incite a reply as you would like. Its funny, just not of any practical gain and in no way supports you're cause. Thank you for the constant exposure of the hateful spirit you have. Its been a pleasure.
fakebrake 1 month ago 2
@fakebrake you are as blind as the blind, leading them in the ditch, you can call it what you want PUNK, I am no where hating anyone nor anybody, however, I can''t stand when another human being go to others about an individual; instead of talking or telling that person you are talking about. I don't judge either, why would you spit poison on someone, tell them about them to them not to us. P U N K.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason Quite simply, everyone who has tried to talk to this man one on one is blocked. Did you consider that while you took the time to articulate the last post to me? Have you asked anyone. Have you asked me what my concerns are? No and No so you are acting hypocritically and still playing the childish name game. We can do this forever is you like.
fakebrake 1 month ago
Amen Brother! I've tested this man's Spirit, and I've found out that his Spirit is not of God.. The way you test a Spirit is by the word of God, and if one truly knows the Holy Spirit and the intimacy that we have, then you test him on that. Finalcall can't comprehend with all Saints what is the height the depth and length that separates us Christians from the world Ephesians 3:17-19. Finalcall only has a relationship with the seducing spirits that's rubbing his shoulders whispering in his ears.
bubba007sss 1 month ago
Do this in decent and in order, not take the opportunity to make yourself appear important and that you know it all, you are working independently and you PISSED me off
mrsgmason 1 month ago
James 3 read the whole thing so it can expose you, I am so sick of you punks acting as if you are so holy than though and you get on here and cause more confusion for those who are already lost and make more confusion. you piss me off with this poop. I am human, I am not GOD and I do have on the armor of my HEAVENLY FATHER to fight you all that are helping satan, Yes I am pissed, I said it, cause you are human you ain't GOD you are the worker of iniquity make me so sick drama queens
mrsgmason 1 month ago
Romans 2:1 to you and Enoch2
mrsgmason 1 month ago
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You read the whole (correction) chapter 3, which i c you didn't record on here, cause it appears to be telling you about you
mrsgmason 1 month ago
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mrsgmason 1 month ago
If you have the HOLY SPIRIT you don't have to ask another, or feed into more confusion. Pharisee; this video make me question the spirit in you. GOD hates the proud look, discern that
mrsgmason 1 month ago
Great video! See my vid "Finalcall07 2011 False Prophecy!!" for a definitive ex. of the lies being told by the false spirit leading him.
One danger of throwing away your Bible of course is that you no longer have a way of knowing whether the spirit you are believing is the Spirit of Christ...or another (different) spirit (as Paul warns in 2 Cor 11:3-4).
Finalcall07 implants the false ASSUMPTION that the Scripture is opposed to the Spirit, when in fact it is GIVEN by the Spirit (2 Tim 3:16)!
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2 2 Tim 3;16, applies to you too for years, not minutes, hours, days, months, but years, you have been speaking against JB, like you GOD, you better check yourself, you are no better than the lies you spreading about him. idiot, you pissed me off, you ain't GOD
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@Enoch2- If god subjected creation to vanity, the scripture texts clearly show it was his decision. If death results, it was god that caused it, not creation. If he set this whole cycle of death in motion for jesus to die, it was not the decision of any part of creation, especially when such a plan was devised before creation. So why, then, subject people unwilling to a sinful nature before their existence in order to force acceptance of the so called son of god, knowing they had
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 It might help your understanding--if that is what you want--if you changed your way of thinking of men as "having" a sin nature to "being" a sin nature.
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2- I find it hard to accept such a statement of a "degree in bible literature" with the bible being much stronger in argument. It's a silly statement given my studies of ancient religions, especially in Mesopotamia and the Ancient Near East. Perhaps that's what you lack, because it reveal the background of the material in the bible. Quoting scriptures as proof is no more stronger than quoting hamlet. The sooner you learn that, the better off you'll be.
rooio3 1 month ago
@Enoch2- That's your main problem, placing scripture on the level of truth. We know from evidence, this is false. I know biblical scripture and have read every book in the bible. Stop leaning on these texts to prove your point, it won't help you. My thinking has nothing to do with confirming the contents of the bible, for one. When I speak about sin, I talk about it from the point of reading literature, not because
rooio3 1 month ago
@Enoch2- I believe the scriptures. According to the texts, god subjected humans to sin. They had no choice in the matter, which is not free will. In the new testament texts, this was a plan he devised before creation- before adam & eve. They sinned because he wanted creation subjected to vanity. And he choose the "elect" before creation also, seeing he decided the end from the beginning. The new testament texts depict god as controlling every aspect of events transpiring.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 I found that many of the things scholars (archaeologists, historians, religious scholars of literature) teach and believe they have proven are in fact false. Often this is because they are opinions based on a priori unbelief.
As for what you say the Scriptures say, you are not correct. We certainly did have choice in the matter.
"And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?" Gen 3:11
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2-You haven't been looking at substantial verified evidence, thus leading to your conclusion of "false teaching & belief" of scholars. I speak of tangible evidence, not conception. Of course your own personal belief wouldn't subject you to a bias toward your religion...no. That's not possible, no. And what I said was correct. The scripture in the new testament point to god deciding this BEFORE creation. That is...before adam & eve.
rooio3 1 month ago
@Enoch2-Pointing to old testament scripture will not dismiss new testament contradictions. One would find it odd god would not know before hand they would eat from the tree, then ask if they ate from it as if he could not foresee this, being an omniscient deity who placed the tree there knowingly. Ancient Israel was not concerned with a preplanned "secret" messianic concept that christianity established, that is why you don't find such a thing in the old testament, particular the first
rooio3 1 month ago
@Enoch2-books. And the god of ancient Israel originated from the deities of the culture Israel emerged from- Canaan, who also got their material from the earlier inhabitants of the region- the Sumerians. So, as said before, biblical depiction is not historical fact. Next.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 And at least I informed you of my belief, you are entitled to your belief, my job is done. I'm here if/when you need me. :) PS-and this is how it is to be handled. PERIOD, and if anyone push it, lets you know they are up to no good. Be Blessed my friend.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@rooio3 Oh, I will get back with you on your questions, must answer an annoying person who like to push JESUS CHRIST on people to the point he pushes them away. Who have the nerve to call someone a false prophet for years to others.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- I don't have a "belief". I follow the facts and the evidence. What I said about Israel is based on the external historical & archeological evidence. I assume you're belief is based on the biblical text itself, yet the biblical text is not based on historical truth but Ideology, idealized reality. There isn't anything a christian can tell me that I don't already know about the bible. But I do know many things about the religion many christians aren't aware of.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 I don't believe in GOD; I know, and that was before the knowledge of the Bible. I come from slaves, some of us didn't know how to read; however, with that background, we saw GOD Almighty at work, without the Bible. So I knew GOD, before, I knew the word. If you think about it; GOD was all slaves had. QUESTION: Harried Tubman
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason Before your people were slaves, it is probable they were pagans in Africa. Without the preaching of the Word, the truth of the Bible, we have no true knowledge of God. In the days of slavery in America, the Jesus revealed in the Bible was preached and that is how slaves came to faith in God.
"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Rom 10:14
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2 oh yeah, unless you grew up and heard the stories from generation to generation, the outside had no idea what we really communicated. So again, the proof is 1 example only, Harriett Tubman never left the plantation, only to go in town to work and earn extra money. She had help by godly people with the underground railroad. You can say and do what you want, to still have the "proud look". my opinion, so I see right through you Enoch2.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason-Many people in the ancient world come from a background of slavery of some kind, it was common. Your perception of "GOD Almighty" is based on deity that doesn't even exist. You don't even know the background behind it or the history of the region in the middle east. It is merely your perception of an invented deity you know. Not god. There were egyptian slaves, yet they believed in Ra. I'm sure they thought they "knew" Ra too. It's foolishness. Instead embrace rationality
rooio3 1 month ago
@mrsgmason-If you base all this on africans, it's meaningless. Everyone's ancestry can be traced back to africa through our own genes in the human genome. All modern humans have african ancestry because humans originated from africa before spreading out. We're all part of the same species, every human has an african background because we all share the same common ancestor. Humans have a history of seeking to separate themselves amongst each other.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 It began in slavery with my ancestery, not end with it. w/o the Bible, GOD has a way of showing you whose GOD period. HE proven that HIMSELF when I was a child. We don't rely on man only; however, faith; trust, in I AM, to show us the way to obtain, maintain, & remain pleasing in HIS sight as the first Enoch and not of the descendant of Cain; but of Seth.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@rooio3 I don't deal with religious people, that is man's way, not GOD
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason-"It began in slavery with my ancestry, not end with it."- that's the point. Your ancestry is everyone's ancestry, you're not unique in that way. The only difference is in the way humans behave toward each other. That's why you get slavery, which is not limited to africans. Again, all you state is your own perception of what you think "god" is. Cain, Seth, all of those people are not real people. Humans did not descend from a fictional adam-eve. The story
rooio3 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- is simply an Israelite adaptation of an older myth from another culture in the middle east. That's what Israel does, take things that are familiar and change them for a different purpose. All these mythic stories of the bible have roots to older polytheistic civilizations who believed in many gods, not one. The stories originate from polytheism. YOU talk to air, yes. You PERCEIVE this interaction to be communicating with a god somewhere. That doesn't make it reality.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 Harriet Tubman lol
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- Your religion is full of different belief structures, it should be no surprise to you. There are over 38,000 different denominal splits in the religion alone and they all teach different things spun on the biblical texts. Just as you feel they are corrupting biblical belief structure, they feel the exact same way of you. It's an endless pointless cycle. This is always the case because it is a belief structure built on personal perception-faith is chaotic fluidity.
rooio3 1 month ago
@Enoch2- no choice in the matter of choosing not to be born in sin and automatically sentence to "death" unfairly? They are literature errors because the bible is a work of literature. Anyone who studies literary techniques will notice them throughout the biblical text applied by the writers of the text.
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 My degree in the Bible as literature was the path to faith for me so I can't agree with you. I subjected the arguments of the skeptics to the same skepticism they put to the Bible, and found the Bible to be MUCH stronger. I encourage you to look deeper and not choose unbelief a priori. We each have sinned, death is the result of our own choices (see Rom 5:12). Sin shows we are not God, but God has graciously given us the victory over death through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Enoch2 1 month ago
Why did god see all his creation as good when it is later revealed he purposely subjected it to vanity? Why did god ask adam and eve their whereabouts, if they ate the fruit, then curse the serpent, eve, and adam? This is inconsistent with god's omniscience. God should have known full well, ahead of time, what the outcome would be since god created the three as well as the tree of knowledge. These are literature errors of the creators of the stories.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 No, they're not "literature errors" they are your human faulty understanding.
E.g., if you read where God says He subjected the creature to vanity (b/c of DEATH), the answer is given (Rom 8:19-21)! It was done as part of God's redemptive plan, and is not forever. Remember it is through DEATH of Christ on the cross and His Resurrection that we are saved (1 Cor 15:1-4)!
Also when God asked the sinners their whereabouts, it is the Good Shepherd, Jesus, seeking his lost sheep!
Enoch2 1 month ago
@Enoch2 false teaching PUNK, you are not always saved once you are saved, you better read that Bible some boy, you don't have the HELPER in you, cause you would seek GOD and all his righteousness and all and everything will be added to you, you are lost and need to go to GOD. stop trying to appear important to others. GOD hates the proud look. I am going to ask GOD to forgive me, but you butt needs to be put in your place, and go to GOD you are dead wrong.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason I think my latest video proving finalcall07 is a false teacher must have struck a nerve. And you can tell me I'm lost all you like, I know the Lord Jesus--rather I'm known of Him, He's my Lord and God, and I know He saved me.
If anyone could lose their salvation, they must be doing something to keep it...which would make salvation a result of grace PLUS human works. But the Scripture says it's by grace, and grace and works don't mix (Rom 11:6). Ever think about that?
Enoch2 1 month ago
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@mrsgmason You need to calm down. Do you think the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ led you to call someone a "Punk" "boy" or "butt head". Is this the spirit of the Lord as you have come to understand it? Should we read the bible that Jon B. says is or could be evil and a deception? The mistake you have made is to trust in a man and not the Lord Jesus and then the flesh has led you to this place you are now. We all fall short of the Glory of God. Just think about it. Its easy to be led astray.
fakebrake 1 month ago
@fakebrake No its not, thank GOD, that I have GOD in my life to check me who can check me only, and not man. I don't trust no man, because he is man. I trust in GOD Almighty; but for another man to talk about and not to another to others is a no good PUNK, PERIOD, Thank GOD I am not GOD, but man, who is only human. And GOD sees my mistakes, why should I hide them from you. NOW WHAT?
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason immean when a person talk about another to others, and not to that person they are referring, is a no good PUNK
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@fakebrake you ain't the HOLY SPIRIT to check me either, PUNK, whats the difference between pharisees and a PUNK
mrsgmason 1 month ago
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@mrsgmason well you make the subject of the vid look good. Thanks for sharing your heart with all of here.
fakebrake 1 month ago
@fakebrake it's called being real, not fake, the reason why GOD has my back when I am truthful; however, this is called tough LOVE to you all with your judging another, and I am tell you, to you about you, you all are telling another about someone else & making yourself look bad. I am telling you, about you, PERIOD. You can't see your own speck for looking at another's. GOD got me, don't need to know what you saying to me, you are man, PUNK; not GOD. I'm Peter, Moses, Elijah, David & etc.
mrsgmason 1 month ago
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@mrsgmason LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are Peter, Moses, Elijah, David, etc. I must have missed all the words of the prophet etc. You are in fact just a nut job i fear.
fakebrake 1 month ago
Please tell me how the concept of christ is valid, when according to biological evidence, such a man could not have existed since his genealogy is traced back to a fictional adam in scripture? How could there be light of a day and night before there was a sun, since the sun is a star, which the "heavenly bodies" are also stars, that gives light on the earth? How did plants began to grow before there was sunlight when the sun is needed for photosynthesis?
rooio3 3 months ago
why do they all share the same genes? Why, then, would man have genes of flies, and plants, and primates, and bacteria? Genes are carried over through living organisms that can be traced back. The strongest evidences for common descent comes from the study of gene sequences. If Adam and Eve were not literal people, then Cain, Abel and Seth were not literal either, and the history of Genesis 4 and the genealogy of Genesis 5 make no sense, and there can be no ongoing consequences of "sin".
rooio3 3 months ago
So tell me, justin, if everything is solely based on what god wanted and not the individual, why didn't he choose all if he could have? Why did he place the tree of life in the same garden without restriction when they could have eaten that and live forever? Why was the flood necessary knowing it would not solve the problem of "sin" in the first place? If Adam was formed as a special act of creation from "the dust of the ground", and the land produce living creatures according to their kinds,
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 given someone a choice, is called allowing them to decide what is offered out here. Not you dictating to them what they better do in order to have you. If you love someone, trust that they will pick you & relate with you & comply with what you expect in the relationship. That is the same thing about GOD - just saying, let GOD tell you, just pray and ask, then wait for a response from HIM. Don't trust the HATER and his followers. Ask GOD, not man, men are idiots, most filled with ego
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- People are not given a choice. They are chosen BEFORE creation according to the text. They cannot decide, if god did not first CHOOSE them. They can only be drawn by god, not themselves. Jesus own words in scripture. "God" of ancient Israel underwent a metamorphosis, not as it is depicted in scripture. Ancient Israel worshiped the Canaanite gods because ancient Israel was simply part of the Canaanite culture as an ethnic group, in accord with archeological data,
rooio3 1 month ago
@rooio3 I can talk to you forever, you are cool
mrsgmason 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- which does not support the biblical narrative. The record shows they were essentially identical to the Canaanites, even the Hebrew language is a Canaanite dialect. The ethnic populations of Canaan to include Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites and Phoenicians all descendant from migrating hunter gathers as far back as neolithic age, to settle in the region forming farming villages. Not the grandiose biblical historiography of the region. And as such, the gods
rooio3 1 month ago
@mrsgmason- worshiped in these ancient cultures are clearly seen as heavy influence in the biblical god- merging of many elements of these deities into one, which can be tracked back.Manipulating ancient stories to adapt their own purpose in the biblical text.Old news to anyone who actually study the region and the cultures emerged from it. So I don't have to let "god" tell anything. There is no such thing, just a mythical creation of the Israelites after the collapse of Canaan.
rooio3 1 month ago
Acts 13:48-"When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." which again clearly dismisses the belief of foreknowledge of faith. God doesn’t choose men because he foresaw they would believe and come to christ, but he makes them such because he has chosen them. Nor is it from any foresight of men’s endeavors after conversion, because he decides the actions. Everything is according to god's will.
rooio3 3 months ago
The texts says he even prepares what particular good works a believer will do in ADVANCE, not the believer.(Ephesians 2:10). It didn't say he knew what they would do, rather he himself PREPARED it for them. That's deciding future events, not foreknowing them. For every point a believer make concerning this, a counter point can be made from the same scriptures. It is the reason why calvinism arose out of this, as is many other christian denominations.
rooio3 3 months ago
To further drive home the point of freewill: "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight" Ephesians 1:4- completely dismisses the premise of free will. verse 5 "he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will". That means he decided in advance to adopt by choosing them before creation. Nothing here indicate people freely choose, which isn't possible if they never existed.
rooio3 3 months ago
@evewale-So you have the choice to believe it or not. But the bible does not have evidence to support the mythical claims of the text. And there is evidence outside the bible to dismiss these stories. That's the point. The bible is ancient LITERATURE from an ancient civilization, not a historical textbook that portrays truths about this reality that we have already discovered.
rooio3 3 months ago
@evewale-That also present another major problem because the christ story depend on sin entering the world in the genesis narrative. But the genesis narrative is not based on historical events, they are taken from earlier religious motifs of polytheistic religions in the same region. Further biological events of the human genome dismisses genesis claims of human creation. So the christ story falls apart. There is fallacy both within scripture and outside the texts.
rooio3 3 months ago
@evewale-If a person had freedom of choice, salvation would be determined on morality through behavior. But it isn't, it's determined on faith in a savior. And such faith is determined on an election by god. "For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him."John 17:2 "I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours" verse 9.
rooio3 3 months ago
@evewale-"also before God hardens the hearts AFTER the person has rebelled, disobeyed, and harden it themselves God still gives chances to harken to his words"- everyone has "rebelled" according to scripture because god subjected them that way. They are born into it. They had no choice in deciding if they wanted to be born without this nature. It says he prepared some for destruction and prepared some for glory, in advance. A plan devised before their existence. And he chose some for glory
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 no God didn't subject them that way Adam was given the choice and he with the help of satan did so. I am not speaking of depravity I'm speaking of someone who does not harken to the warnings God provides. Plus although Scripture speaks of depravity it does not speak of inability. We are still able to hear his call. You keep going in circles with the same arguments I'm going to end this convo because I have tried sharing the truth with you and you refuse to hear
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale-"no God didn't subject them that way Adam was given the choice"- it does not matter if creation was subjected to vanity. god place the tree of knowledge in the garden for a reason. Then all humans are thus cursed with such nature due to the actions of the first. Otherwise we would not need a savior from sin, which was the purpose of the jesus story. It is depended on events in genesis.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 Well it is your choice to believe or not. Good night to you or day which ever applies
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale-Romans 9:22 further show the only reason god endured those he chose for destruction is to display his power through his wrath. That was their purpose. That was what god planned for them when he created them. Scripture says CLEARLY god subjected creation to ruin because he wanted it that way, Romans 8:20-"For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by the will of the one who subjected it"
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 He didn't choose any for their distruction and that is why the verse states he is longsuffering, No God wants ALL men to come to repentance but the fact is many will refuse such as yourself so the condemnation of sin which is death (spritual) is upon you. Sir that him is not captalized in scripture.For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 The him in that verse is not capitalized this is NOT God
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale- Romans 9:18-"Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden". Verse 11-"Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad--in order that God's purpose in election might stand not by works but by him who calls--she was told, "The older will serve the younger." That was decided without the freewill of the twins. Same scenario with salvation.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 the twins esau and jacob are speaking of nations, also you are still not rightly dividing the word or you would see that God does harden who he wants to harden and he wants to harden those who have harden their own hearts such as pharaoh. He gives them over to their own hardening.
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale-"he twins esau and jacob are speaking of nations"- which still does not dismiss the fact that their choices were decided by god BEFORE birth, they did not harden their own hearts. Nations do not changed that, and the story of the twins is in scripture before such nations developed according to the bible. I argue scriptural inconsistencies, not because I believe the stories are true. Calvinists are not mentioned in these scriptures. I simply tell what scripture says.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 It's NOT about salvation it was about what ppl would establish the lineage of the messiah
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 Even it it is before the nations God speaks in prophecies. Well that explains it Calvinist use their own knowledge for wisdom of scripture they do not know how to rightly divide because they lack the Holy Spirit's guidance
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale- "Even it it is before the nations God speaks in prophecies"-according to your belief.That doesn't make it true. I could care less about such etymological nonsense. That still does not dismiss the fact that god is actively controlling the outcome of these events in these stories. I'm not a calvinist, I'm an atheist who studies ancient religions.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 also before God hardens the hearts AFTER the person has rebelled, disobeyed, and harden it themselves God still gives chances to harken to his words
evewale 3 months ago
evewale-No one can come to him if they are not FIRST drawn by...god. According to scripture, jesus had to ascend into heaven in order to release "the spirit" on believers, which is what John 12:32 mean. Romans 9:18 show god decides who to have mercy on and who not to. When questioned about this, verse 20 scolds such actions as talking back to god, then further in verse 21-23 show he has the right to create people for whatever purpose he chooses. Some made for destruction others mercy.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 Jesus is God in flesh and he states he will draw ALL men in John 12:32 You are listening to far to many calvinist which will certainly lead you away from the truth of scripture. Here is my question why is it that you want to argue something you do not believe in? Also would you even allow the possibility of faith to come into your life if you had suffcient evidence? You are misunderstanding Scripture because you are either arguing or listening to calvinist
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale-Ephesians 1:11-"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will". John 6:44 Jesus says "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 according to the plan the plan is through Christ just as the other verse I provided states. John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.
evewale 3 months ago
@xchampx-believers into spirit beings, since scripture call the spirit the first part of the promise guaranteeing this "new life". Yet at the same time saying everyone who "loves" has been born of god and knows god which supposedly comes from this spirit, when we know that isn't the case, since many people who aren't believers exhibit the same qualities.
rooio3 3 months ago
@xchampx-the bible is full of such logical errors."None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory"(1 Corinthians 2:8)- Yet if they hadn't, "salvation" wouldn't have occurred, since it is dependent on the sacrifice according to biblical logic. So if you do the right moral thing and say no to torture murder, you lose eternal life, since christ had to die in order to ascend into heaven to pour out the spirit that will transform
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 They didn't understand because God blinded them do to their wickedness 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: God promised to preserve his word the Bible speaks about how important scripture is. You are denying that the Bible is inspired directed by the mouth of God thus denying his power
evewale 3 months ago
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@evewale-"They didn't understand because God blinded them do to their wickedness"- yet without their wickedness, no such salvation would occur. It also said if they knew who he was they wouldn't have crucified him. Since scripture says god subjected creation to sin, it only happened because god planned it. There wouldn't be any sin otherwise.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 It was God's foreknowledge knowing in what place and hands to place His Son in to be crucified. God is in complete control
evewale 3 months ago
Therefore there is no point, in that view, to tell people they have a choice of believing such a gospel through repentance if the choice was decided by god, not them. If people are not "saved" based on the morality of their actions, but a predestined & pre-conformed decision "before time began", what then is the purpose for a judgment on morality? So one can easily say the scriptures are contradictory.
rooio3 3 months ago
"Those who receive the Holy Ghost are those who believe the gospel"- yet according to scripture only those chosen by god before creation are those who will believe the gospel(Romans 8:29-30), So, it make no difference whether he never believed it, nor any need for him to "repent". If one was never appointed, according to biblical scripture logic, one will never believe. That has all to do with "god's" decision (as quoted by the supposed jesus, John 6:44), not the person.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 "yet according to scripture only those chosen by god before creation are those who will believe the gospel" This very well may be so. I am afraid it's a lot deeper and beyond our understanding. "So, it make no difference whether he never believed it, nor any need for him to "repent"." I would disagree with that, it is still seen throughout all of scripture that God opposes the proud and unrepentant heart and STILL calls them to repent. The thing is none of us know who is saved.
xchampx 3 months ago
@xchampx continued....that is why Jesus talks about the parable about the wheat and the tares. Tares look a lot like wheat and even though they may not be wheat, to uproot them may be damaging to the rest of the wheat. We cannot pronounce who is saved and unsaved, we can guess and "doubt" the salvation of someone, but that is clearly up for God to decide and once again, we may never know.
xchampx 3 months ago 2
@xchampx-"This very well may be so. I am afraid it's a lot deeper and beyond our understanding."- Justin, you do realize you have just made an excuse for something that does not follow logic. It isn't hard to understand, that's why it make no sense. You have scripture saying god determines who will be saved, but at the same time get angry at those he did not choose. And he's angry about morality, yet will not hold the saved accountable for their morality at the same time.
rooio3 3 months ago
@xchampx-"The thing is none of us know who is saved."- which still does not dismiss the fact that the bible says people don't choose their outcome. It is decided for them. So it doesn't matter whether a person know who is "saved". And it doesn't matter whether a person is made aware of the gospel. Only the "chosen" ones will be drawn by god according to scripture. And the parable about the wheat and tares is based not on judgment of morality, but appointmenship. To separate the picked
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 "So it doesn't matter whether a person know who is "saved". And it doesn't matter whether a person is made aware of the gospel." Now, this to me shows me how exactly you do not understand anything behind Christian theology, and what the scriptures teach for that matter. I don't expect you too though.
xchampx 3 months ago
@xchampx-"Now, this to me shows me how exactly you do not understand anything behind Christian theology"- I understand it just fine. I know what it says. It conflicts its own message. Telling believers to spread the gospel make no difference if believers, according to scripture, are already picked before creation. If they're picked, they'll be glorified. But that does not show Jesus death was for all people to choose, because everyone was not "chosen" by god before their existence.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 "I understand it just fine." Then be consistent. God has a plan. His plan is to call those whom are dead in their sin and need to Christ. God commands us to preach to gospel and to fear him. He commands us to test ourselves to see if our calling is true. We can see the fruit of people whom are saved. So, with these commands we must carry on his will and obey him. I believe that there is more than what meets the eye and I also believe you should be consistent which you are not.
xchampx 3 months ago
@xchampx-"His plan is to call those whom are dead in their sin and need to Christ."- sin mean nothing if eternal life is not granted due to morality. You simply aren't thinking logically. Believers are not "saved" because of how moral they were, yet unbelievers are judged on their morality. For what? Simply because of unbelief. So morality is thrown out the window. Scripture also show christ's death is not a free choice to accept. It is predetermined before creation who will be "glorified".
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 we are all dying physically and spiritually. This is why Christ is called Savior he has thrown us the life jacket all we need to do is reach out and grab it. He gives us life He did not come to the world to condemn it (it's condemned already by sin not God) He came to save it
evewale 3 months ago
@xchampx-It is the scriptures that are inconsistent. I simply tell what it says, and you seem to want to ignore this, or pretend it is too complicated to understand logically. Christ died only for the chosen, not for everyone. And the chosen were picked long before their existence. Yet the bible continually state all are offered this "gift" and can choose, yet at the same time only a selected individuals are picked due to god's decision and can only be drawn by god, not themselves.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 The chosen are any who come to Christ Eph 1:4 According as he has chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
This was his plan of redeemption through CHRIST we are the chosen ANYONE who comes to him is chosen not hand picked by God
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 sounds like your listening to too many calvinist
evewale 3 months ago
@xchampx- The other problem with the argument of sin is that is only occurred because god wanted creation that way. Scripture state is was not the choice of creation, but god (Romans 8:20). And at the same time he is going to punish people for sin from a decision he made for them to be subjected to it with no choice of their own? Since acts say those appointed to eternal life are those who will make the decision to believe, morality play no role since their choice is not determined on morals.
rooio3 3 months ago
@xchampx- So one subjects people to sin, then punish them for it. But choose & predestined some people to save before they exist, but don't punish them for their sin. So where then is the morality in that if morality is so important? How is it morally right to judge someone for a decision that wasn't theirs to make? Where then is the justice if a person is not given the opportunity to make their own choice instead of being decided for them? Where is the freewill in that? There are holes here.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." 1 Corinthians 2:14
xchampx 3 months ago
@xchampx-Which explain nothing about the apparent contradictions in scripture itself. Even the "spirit" is based off....scripture. You would know no better had you not have read of it. And scripture merely describe the spirit as power from heaven, and believers personify it. Yet scripture, as we've seen, is contradictory.So you relying on scripture to attempt to justify its errors in logic do you no good. Running from the issue won't make it go away. Stand up and address it.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 Again believers are not "picked" but known to choose to accept God's gift of salvation and reconciliation by His FOREKNOWLEDGE. Rom 8:29 For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale- They are are picked, chosen, before creation. The only ones glorified are the only ones predestined. That what it means, to determine in advance, not simply have knowledge of future events. But to be active in deciding outcomes. Scripture clearly says they can only be drawn by god, NOT themselves. God chose them. The decision does not come from them.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 God has influence but his plan was for the chosen to be ANYONE who would come through Chrst. You have to rightly divide scripture and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance you will not understand it by your own knowledge. Jesus said he will draw ALL men to himself
evewale 3 months ago
@evewale-No one can come through christ if they were not first drawn by god, found written in your own scriptures plain as day. You cannot get past that fact. There is nothing hard to understand about that. It says this in one place and the opposite in another. Contradictions.
rooio3 3 months ago
@rooio3 Being DRAWN is not being forced and like Christ says he will draw ALL men however he leaves the decision to us
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 You say there is nothing hard to understand about it but you aren't understanding it all
evewale 3 months ago
@rooio3 He knew who would accept His gift he did NOT pick and choose
evewale 3 months ago
Respond to this video... "An unrepentant heart, then is baseless if eternal life is not dependent on moral actions." Can you demonstrate this theologically? Where in the bible does God say "do not repent" and where it says the gospel doesn't matter? If it doesn't matter then why would Christ die for the world? If it didn't matter to him then he'd just drown us from the beginning.
xchampx 3 months ago
@xchampx-ones from the unpicked ones. An unrepentant heart, then is baseless if eternal life is not dependent on moral actions. It make no sense to call for repentance for a predetermined reward not even based off actions. It also reveal no real purpose for an unbeliever to be "created" in the first place only to knowingly destroy them for unbelief as a byproduct of a choosing game.
rooio3 3 months ago
Those who receive the Holy Ghost are those who believe the gospel, and them ONLY. Finalcall07 denies the gospel, the imputation of Christ, and salvation by faith alone. He has never believed the gospel, hence he does not have the Holy Ghost. He is not being led by the Holy Ghost but rather the devil himself. He needs to repent and believe the gospel or he needs to keep away from the body of Christ. There is no middle ground in this situation.
InTheSpirit12 3 months ago
Good video. I like Finalcall07
PeaceInChristAlone 3 months ago
What software are you using?
TheWoodsofJordan 3 months ago
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Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is a dead letter, therefore the Bible is not the word of God. The Bible is a implement He uses for our benefit, but it is not Him. Why do people refuse to get this fact?
Rasket3 3 months ago
Abstract? They have no meaning? Obviously you have no idea about what the Holy Spirit is. And the most important point is people like you who have no idea about Jan are bashing him and saying he is contradicting the Bible. If you had the Holy Spirit direct your life you would understand that he is not against the Bible. Your just stating information without any backup.We need Jesus to be saved, nothing else. Once we have read the words of Jesus we need to practice them, not just keep on studying
Rasket3 3 months ago
@Rasket3 Have you not seen Jan's many videos where he says the bible is not Gods word? You should repent for taking the word of a man over the word of our Lord and savior. I love ya and it makes me so sad that people are following this man even tho he is leaven. :( He is a wolf wrapped in sheep's clothes. I was under condemnation for a long time because of this man. Now I have the peace that passes understanding. My faith is in Jesus Christs FINISHED work on the cross. I hope yours is too. ♥
galaxydreams2 3 months ago
@Rasket3 He is contradicting his very own words it my main point. If you watch his videos, on many instances he denies the bible as the word of God. While I agree that the bible in and of itself does NOT save you, its message is crucial in becoming a believer. Romans 10:17. Also, it is the guideline to know what is of sound doctrine and what is not. If you stray from biblical teachings then you are lead into heresy (i.e. Catholic Church).
xchampx 3 months ago 4