but isn't shiho nage extending the attacker's power to unbalance him then you can do the nage. In a real attack the power dynamic would work with shiho nage. A demonstration has no power in it.
@bin1127 In a real attack (committed) uke will create his own trajectory and unbalance himself if you give him the support to do so. Rather than powering through a shiho nage, forcing the attacker to the ground through pain or body mechanics and leverage, we prefer to connect with him so that no matter how he attacks the aikido will spontaneously manifest outside of technique. This demo merely shows the nature of the attack that produces the movement by nage we commonly call shihonage.
To the cool teacher guy from these vids: Thanks so much for sharing these! I feel you are from the new times:not 'powerover' or 'powerunder' but POWER WITH: the new paradigm of our times!
ha ha, yes I do talk alot, but have you ever learned anything from books that had no text? (talk on paper). I challenge you to teach someone how to drive a car without saying one word. Once the teaching is complete no more words are necessary.
I'd wonder if I was talking too much about what I am demonstrating if teachers I respect very highly didn't explain things in lots of words - check out the latest video of Sunadomari Shihan! It's listed in my "favorites."
@chebf1231 Words are wonderful tool when they express/communicate energetic facts. If words couldn't grasp subtle abstractions then poetry wouldn't have existed. Many aikido teachers would play the "role" of the stingy, pompous asshole and not invite students to ever question concepts for the mere reason of being constipated and being too afraid to loose their "role" image by being generous. I feel you are from the new times:not 'powerover' or 'powerunder' but POWER WITH: the new paradigm!
I don't understand, I beleive the whole point of Aikido is to feel what techique is used to respond and NOT to be locked into a programed response. During class as Uke, if I know what the response to my attack will be, I can change my attack midway through and screw up Nage. In that case it is not a true attack but a half hearted one and nobody benefits from wrestling matches. If you want to wrestle then take wrestling classes. It's all about feeling what's happening and responding correctly
There is much we agree upon, but for me the point of Aikido is to feel what UKE is doing, not for uke to feel what nage is doing and go along with it, nor change it in the middle. Neither of these is a true attack. Much of our aiki-lab practice is devoted to examining the true nature of attack, including ukes natural response to being forced into a throw.
If you have ever felt resistance as a nage but pushed through it to complete a throw, you have given up aiki and resorted to force to best your partner. This is contrary to Osenseis central message. If you have NEVER felt resistance as a nage there it is probably because uke is simply collaborating with you and his attack is inauthentic. We have found that a realistic attack is meaningful in its intention to control and or destroy ukes center, even when done at a safe speed.
However, in the cases in which nage withdraws his ki or meets ukes ki with a stream of equally damaging ki, this will elicit a subconscious limbic system response in uke to withdraw the attack and defend.
For instance, grabbing the wrist of uke during execution of shihonage in what might be called a classic execution will realistically produce an abandonment of the attack as ukes limbic system instantly shifts uke into defense mode to keep his wrist or shoulder from being broken.
In our video we demonstrated how difficult it then becomes to muscle ones way through purely for the sake of finishing a technique which is no longer appropriate. We then went on to demonstrate how shihonage is the perfect blending of someone attacking with an elongated attack. But should nage trigger a reflexive retraction in ukes attack by lack of a true aiki connection, shihonage becomes inappropriate, unless ones goal is to best ones partner through force.
Our goal is for our aikido to be truly effective in deadly attacks while truly embodying Osenseis description of aikido as loving protection of all things including attackers.
I've been told I give good ukemi, I think it's because I attack with an empty mind. Once I start the attack I am committed to that attack and do not try to deviate from the attack unless Nage forces me into changing. I've told people that if at the end of a technique if you feel you did nothing and uke is on the ground, then you felt Aikido. Where is your school located? Keep up the good work.
I appreciate your intention to provide your partners with good ukemi! We are using our study of the nature of attack to refine our understanding of aiki further than what can be accomplished through the repetition of technique. We endeavor to attack not with an empty mind (nages mind) but with intention, through which our nage can discover where and how he is out of aiki.
Our goal as nage is not to feel we did nothing, but to feel that our outward expression of ki has created a unification from which our partner feels protected from harm as he finds himself on the ground.
I've taken the time to watch more of your videos and I think now I have a better understanding and agree that we agree in many areas. I've been lucky enough to travel alot and take my Gi with me everywhere. I've been to some excleent schools and worked out with a few bad ukes who seem to try to be 90 day shihans and test your technique and correct with what they feel is correct. That being said I also have worked out with great partners.
You clearly maintain an open mind, which I appreciate. We are not interested in being "right", but in uncovering ever deepening levels of understanding of aiki - always bearing in mind "masakatsu agatsu" (true victory is victory over oneself).
As you would expect, I maintain that sankyo (when used as a pain compliance technique) is equivalent to an attack and will be subject to an aiki resolution.
At a workshop I lead I invited anyone in the class to apply sankyo to me. At my invitation they put this notion to the test as well as my ability to demonstrate it. The most illuminating comment was "The amazing thing is that I felt like I had you in sankyo the whole time I was falling."
Hi I am a 4kuy (from Norway) I really wish I could learn This Takemusu Aikido!! Tanx for the GREAT videos. It is like studying with Kanshu Sunadomari. Although I never had the prevelegie, I see his teachings from his book in motion here.
Thank you so much for the exceptional compliment, though I must say that any ability I may demonstrate does not encompass anywhere near the depth and beauty of what Sunadomari Shihan does, even in his mid-eighties!
I hope you will continue your training with the idea of takemusu aiki in mind. Osensei said that the ability to be part of the spontaneous manifestation of aiki is the highest level of aikido. May all the paths that we all take lead us to that same pinnacle!
At my college have just recently started offering a P.E. class in Aikido, which my sensei resisted for a long time because it is only six weeks and it doesn't offer too much time for learning with "technique based" systems. However, I wonder if instead of focusing on techniques and more on awareness and being receptive to energy flow like you're saying, I think we could get a lot more accomplished, since we are an ASU school anyway (not really technique based).
My first seven years of training were at an ASU school and I am looking forward to training with Saotome Shihan two weeks from now in Sarasota!
Even with a non-technique-based system, 6 weeks will only give new students the most basic introduction to aikido as we know it. But you may be right that that time period could be better used to explore flow and conscious awareness, perhaps in the way Wendy Palmer (also ASU) teaches her aikido-derived "Conscious Embodiment." Thanks for the comment!
Hah, great! I didn't realize that this video was posted by the instructor, but I really like what you are demonstrating here and would love to attend some classes! I'm an indirect student of Tohei sensei myself, I look forward to checking out the rest of your videos!
I'm glad the concept resonates with you! I hope you will feel the same about the rest of the clips. If you are in the Los Angeles area, feel free to email me.
but isn't shiho nage extending the attacker's power to unbalance him then you can do the nage. In a real attack the power dynamic would work with shiho nage. A demonstration has no power in it.
bin1127 1 year ago
@bin1127 In a real attack (committed) uke will create his own trajectory and unbalance himself if you give him the support to do so. Rather than powering through a shiho nage, forcing the attacker to the ground through pain or body mechanics and leverage, we prefer to connect with him so that no matter how he attacks the aikido will spontaneously manifest outside of technique. This demo merely shows the nature of the attack that produces the movement by nage we commonly call shihonage.
Kakushitoride 1 year ago
To the cool teacher guy from these vids: Thanks so much for sharing these! I feel you are from the new times:not 'powerover' or 'powerunder' but POWER WITH: the new paradigm of our times!
hallobaaaby 1 year ago
this guy is good and i learned a lot.
sometimes i wonder if it's good to talk that much.
first you say get the feel and don't let your mind get involved.
then you talk so much that your mind can't help but to get involved?
chebf1231 2 years ago
ha ha, yes I do talk alot, but have you ever learned anything from books that had no text? (talk on paper). I challenge you to teach someone how to drive a car without saying one word. Once the teaching is complete no more words are necessary.
I'd wonder if I was talking too much about what I am demonstrating if teachers I respect very highly didn't explain things in lots of words - check out the latest video of Sunadomari Shihan! It's listed in my "favorites."
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
@chebf1231 Words are wonderful tool when they express/communicate energetic facts. If words couldn't grasp subtle abstractions then poetry wouldn't have existed. Many aikido teachers would play the "role" of the stingy, pompous asshole and not invite students to ever question concepts for the mere reason of being constipated and being too afraid to loose their "role" image by being generous. I feel you are from the new times:not 'powerover' or 'powerunder' but POWER WITH: the new paradigm!
hallobaaaby 1 year ago
I don't understand, I beleive the whole point of Aikido is to feel what techique is used to respond and NOT to be locked into a programed response. During class as Uke, if I know what the response to my attack will be, I can change my attack midway through and screw up Nage. In that case it is not a true attack but a half hearted one and nobody benefits from wrestling matches. If you want to wrestle then take wrestling classes. It's all about feeling what's happening and responding correctly
Crifstar 2 years ago
There is much we agree upon, but for me the point of Aikido is to feel what UKE is doing, not for uke to feel what nage is doing and go along with it, nor change it in the middle. Neither of these is a true attack. Much of our aiki-lab practice is devoted to examining the true nature of attack, including ukes natural response to being forced into a throw.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
If you have ever felt resistance as a nage but pushed through it to complete a throw, you have given up aiki and resorted to force to best your partner. This is contrary to Osenseis central message. If you have NEVER felt resistance as a nage there it is probably because uke is simply collaborating with you and his attack is inauthentic. We have found that a realistic attack is meaningful in its intention to control and or destroy ukes center, even when done at a safe speed.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
However, in the cases in which nage withdraws his ki or meets ukes ki with a stream of equally damaging ki, this will elicit a subconscious limbic system response in uke to withdraw the attack and defend.
For instance, grabbing the wrist of uke during execution of shihonage in what might be called a classic execution will realistically produce an abandonment of the attack as ukes limbic system instantly shifts uke into defense mode to keep his wrist or shoulder from being broken.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
In our video we demonstrated how difficult it then becomes to muscle ones way through purely for the sake of finishing a technique which is no longer appropriate. We then went on to demonstrate how shihonage is the perfect blending of someone attacking with an elongated attack. But should nage trigger a reflexive retraction in ukes attack by lack of a true aiki connection, shihonage becomes inappropriate, unless ones goal is to best ones partner through force.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
Our goal is for our aikido to be truly effective in deadly attacks while truly embodying Osenseis description of aikido as loving protection of all things including attackers.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
I've been told I give good ukemi, I think it's because I attack with an empty mind. Once I start the attack I am committed to that attack and do not try to deviate from the attack unless Nage forces me into changing. I've told people that if at the end of a technique if you feel you did nothing and uke is on the ground, then you felt Aikido. Where is your school located? Keep up the good work.
Crifstar 2 years ago
I appreciate your intention to provide your partners with good ukemi! We are using our study of the nature of attack to refine our understanding of aiki further than what can be accomplished through the repetition of technique. We endeavor to attack not with an empty mind (nages mind) but with intention, through which our nage can discover where and how he is out of aiki.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
Our goal as nage is not to feel we did nothing, but to feel that our outward expression of ki has created a unification from which our partner feels protected from harm as he finds himself on the ground.
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
I've taken the time to watch more of your videos and I think now I have a better understanding and agree that we agree in many areas. I've been lucky enough to travel alot and take my Gi with me everywhere. I've been to some excleent schools and worked out with a few bad ukes who seem to try to be 90 day shihans and test your technique and correct with what they feel is correct. That being said I also have worked out with great partners.
Crifstar 2 years ago
You clearly maintain an open mind, which I appreciate. We are not interested in being "right", but in uncovering ever deepening levels of understanding of aiki - always bearing in mind "masakatsu agatsu" (true victory is victory over oneself).
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
I enjoy all your videos, I'd like to see you're opnion on Sankyo regarding you're Nikkyo and KoteGaeshi videos. greetings!
designofanewbrandtv 2 years ago
I am glad our clips resonate with you.
As you would expect, I maintain that sankyo (when used as a pain compliance technique) is equivalent to an attack and will be subject to an aiki resolution.
At a workshop I lead I invited anyone in the class to apply sankyo to me. At my invitation they put this notion to the test as well as my ability to demonstrate it. The most illuminating comment was "The amazing thing is that I felt like I had you in sankyo the whole time I was falling."
Kakushitoride 2 years ago
Hey man big Video!.
5 Stars :D
Urbexx99 3 years ago
Hi I am a 4kuy (from Norway) I really wish I could learn This Takemusu Aikido!! Tanx for the GREAT videos. It is like studying with Kanshu Sunadomari. Although I never had the prevelegie, I see his teachings from his book in motion here.
TakaSensei 3 years ago
Thank you so much for the exceptional compliment, though I must say that any ability I may demonstrate does not encompass anywhere near the depth and beauty of what Sunadomari Shihan does, even in his mid-eighties!
I hope you will continue your training with the idea of takemusu aiki in mind. Osensei said that the ability to be part of the spontaneous manifestation of aiki is the highest level of aikido. May all the paths that we all take lead us to that same pinnacle!
Kakushitoride 3 years ago
At my college have just recently started offering a P.E. class in Aikido, which my sensei resisted for a long time because it is only six weeks and it doesn't offer too much time for learning with "technique based" systems. However, I wonder if instead of focusing on techniques and more on awareness and being receptive to energy flow like you're saying, I think we could get a lot more accomplished, since we are an ASU school anyway (not really technique based).
swordsman1600 3 years ago
My first seven years of training were at an ASU school and I am looking forward to training with Saotome Shihan two weeks from now in Sarasota!
Even with a non-technique-based system, 6 weeks will only give new students the most basic introduction to aikido as we know it. But you may be right that that time period could be better used to explore flow and conscious awareness, perhaps in the way Wendy Palmer (also ASU) teaches her aikido-derived "Conscious Embodiment." Thanks for the comment!
Kakushitoride 3 years ago
Thank you sensei!
jprof 3 years ago
Hah, great! I didn't realize that this video was posted by the instructor, but I really like what you are demonstrating here and would love to attend some classes! I'm an indirect student of Tohei sensei myself, I look forward to checking out the rest of your videos!
jprof 3 years ago
I'm glad the concept resonates with you! I hope you will feel the same about the rest of the clips. If you are in the Los Angeles area, feel free to email me.
Kakushitoride 3 years ago
Nice video! Who's the teacher?
jprof 3 years ago
A student of a student of Koichi Tohei among others...
Thanks for the compliment!
Kakushitoride 3 years ago
Good stuff!
henke12345 3 years ago
Very nice, such a unique and facinating way of looking at akido.
SoggyGibblets 3 years ago
Niceeee!!!!!!!
wizzra 3 years ago
Very nice explanation of my favorite technique!
Thanks!
bsproles 3 years ago