Geosurge works better in an RDW with Chimeric Mass where after a turn you have a 7/7 out
Also as great as batterskull is and all of these powerful equipments truth be told isn't caw-blade afraid of itself making the archetype its own worst enemy
My friend plays with an Ally deck, so I would love to use Torpor Orb to cripple it. BTW, In a draft this week it made my Tormentor Exarch and my Invader Paracite useless. It does SOMETHING.
Hello, this summer, I plan to play in the ptq, now my question, is it benefical for a newbie to the ptq scene to play a homemade deck or an archetype like Valakut ramp
Well, commander is also viable, and the cash to buy legacy isn't too much for a deck that won't change (It costs the same as caw go does) (I know all the players at the shop I go to prefer just do EDH before draft)
They are overdoing the OP mythic policy if you ask me. The 3 best cards of the set are already terribly pricy on e-bay. Phyrexian Obliterator, Batterskull and Karn are sweet, sure, but noone should crack packs open and be frustrated 95% of the times.
That said, I'm really into the art, specially when it comes to white and black cards. And Jin-gitaxias is the most impressive creature in commander like... ever. C'mon, EVERYONE but you looses the HAND?
@topituulensuu Didn't I just give you a few card names that will get rid of Jace? or are you two stupid to be able to read? I guess you just like to bitch and complain.
@topituulensuu Stop worrying about one card, because another is going to win the match if you're not careful and were to stupid to build your deck against one piece of cardboard.
@topituulensuu Just because someone buys a Jace doesn't mean they will know how to use it, or know how to play the deck that uses him. Here in town theres people trading their foil Jace's for Force of Will play sets, after this Summer people like you can stop their whining and bitching when he drops in price by 10% to 20% due to him rotating out of Standard.
By the way, you can use Omen Machine to slow down Jace, Despise to discard it, and Hex Parasite to eat Jace's counters.
@topituulensuu Then design a winning deck to go up against the high priced cards instead of bitching. Players used to do it back in the day, they can do so now.
@topituulensuu Thats why I stick to a local tournament not ran by wizards or starcity and the rule is no jace baby jace and no cards past 4 years ago, it takes a while to get used to compared to other formats but it is much more fun because its all local and people dont play stuff like jund or tokens or any of the old decks some kid got 5th with a relentless rats otk and it was awesome
@topituulensuu All i hear from you little boy is bitching and complaining because your not winning. Lemme call you the WAHHHHHMBULANCE!! hahaha faggot. Try playing for fun. The people i play with try and think outside the box and come up with new ideas, we don't just net deck to try and win tournaments like you do.
@topituulensuu Sounds to me your playing for the wrong reasons. You just are playing just to want to win tournaments. If you want to go to tournaments then you need to pay for the cards to compete. If it's something you want to do then you will pay. If not , quit and shut the fuck up about it. It's pretty simple really. You already said you have 1000 better uses for your paycheck. Go, GTFO then.
I play casual and do drafts and have a blast, more fun then dealing with people like you at a tourny
@topituulensuu with respect as with any hobby u must pay for the the best to be the best would u expect ur nations ruby team to play of second grade pitch? on the other hand look into the past sets there will possibly answer
@topituulensuu yep, this is exactly why i quit taking the game seriously. i still love it and i still love the show, but i cant afford to pay the bills (especially with gas prices gosh damn) and spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on a card game just to stand somewhat of a chance against those who still take it serious
@topituulensuu Magic has *always* been like this though. The competitive field is hella expensive, that's all there is to it. You could just play casual
@popsodarootbeers When faeries was the dominant archetype just threeish years ago, the deck cost 120 dollars. Since they introduced mythics, decks prices have gone insane.
@Kanadienphatboy immolating soul eater? i fail to see how a fiery hellhound can win you a game. I feel if you really wanna make this combo work it has to be done by surprise Ala kuldotha forgemaster. Plus you could use spellskite to protect your combo from being destroyed early on and lower your own life total before you end them with the life switch.
i used Immolating souleater cause it was a cheap 2 mana drop that i can reduce my life to 0 right away. it could be anything really that can reduce my life to zero in one turn. i do like the use of spellkite too, very clever. cheap as well, so a bonus. i would also put cheap eldrazi spawn creating cards like spawning breath and Brood birthing.
@topituulensuu Thank you for your insight. What's funny is: none of those things are true. My parents haven't ever paid for a Magic card or entrance fee (and even giving me any money is a stretch), I only work at a dead-end job to help buy cards/ pay for school, and none of my decks cost $1000. Well, I lied. One thing was true: I am a fanboy. But everyone has their guilty secret. Also, I think you thought I was responding to a different comment of yours. The one I replied to had no suggestions.
@topituulensuu As opposed to, let's say, golf; where you don't have to spend tons of money to use the courses, buy equipment, or catapult the things you just spend money on into a pond or something. Not to mention how you could win a tournament with clubs you bought at Wal-Mart. If you don't want to waste a ton of money, don't have a hobby.
@topituulensuu I play the game for fun, not to just beat the other guys. I fail to see how it is about "using the most expensive shit to make incredibly expensive decks that do insane things." Yes, Wizards hit a misstep, get over it. They already apologized for making Jace so good. They already announced they were gonna aim more stuff against PWs. Also, Eldrazi Green is barely a deck, and Emrakul rarely shows up. Even in Legacy, Emrakul is not that great. Worth about 8 bucks.
@topituulensuu If Wizards sold singles, then people would complain that there's no collector value over the cards, then we'll have people complaining that Wizards don't care about the game, all they want is your cash. (Which a lot of people do already). And even if you don't like it, demand and supply exist and people will apply it.
Really like the feel of the show at the minute Evan. Metagame shift is a nice summary of the current trends in standard and the general feel of the current format makes it the best one for a while. Good work dude.
@topituulensuu Too bad the priced is set by demand and not by WoTC. Wizards could be making more hard cash by reprinting the cards but they already said they wouldn't do that.
If you could offer a solution that's great. It's equally bad saying something is wrong but when asked for a way to solve it, you can't answer.
@ all of you who are complaining about wotc doing nothing to control the prices of jace remember they decided oh this card is huge lets stop producing worldwake to drive up its prices
People seem to overestimate the phyrexian mana cards. Free cards are awesome indeed, but cmon, 4 life, it's actually quite a lot! once, sure! twice, ow. No one's gonna like topdecking a dismember in their green deck while they're at 3 life or something!
@topituulensuu i totally agree. its the reason i stopped playing altogether. so many good (and i do mean GOOD) cards go completely unnoticed, all because of RIDICULOUSLY GOOD cards overshadow them. magic isn't about having fun and trying new ideas out, it's now all about using the most expensive shit to make incredibly expensive decks that do insane things. i just wanna be able to use mulldrifter again one day. so long as JTMS and emrakul exist, lots of things just don't stand a chance.
Which tier 1 deck are we talking about? Because for 80 dollars the only deck i MIGHT be able to build that's half way competitive is non-led dredge. (and that's if you go to a shop that doesn't know what their selling as far as commons/uncommons go.) Ever single Tier 1 decklist in legacy is going to cost you at least $400.
@boneclub24 Would that same deck do a top 8 at a SCG Open... no... no it wouldn't. Your statement completely depends on a local Meta. If you are in a college focused town like Iowa City, it's easier not to run into Legacy decks shuffling up with a currently $2000 price tag which will hose you every game by turn 2-3.
@Nukeaholic Yeah, please post said decks please. Infact, post a T1 deck that doesn't use dual lands which instantly drive the price beyond the $90 price tag of 1 FOW
@boneclub24 It's true, but I think standard is just better designed as a format. The idea that the next big thing may be your idea or that the card that has been the thorn in your side will be gone soon is attractive to some. Where as Force of Will will always be the wrench in your machine as soon as you think you've won.
if you think standard is expensive try playing legacy. I can honestly see legacy being unplayable to new players sometime within the next 5 years if they don't start reprinting the staples. for years wasteland was 20 dollars. Now it's 60. Force of Will is $80, Goblin PIledriver is $20, Lion's eye diamond is $50 and underground sea is $120.
but standard decks are easier to make for 2 reasons. 1, the card pool is cheaper and 2, the cards are alot easier to find. Standard isn't full of staples that cost $50+. Legacy is. On top of that players on a tight budget can more easily build a standard deck than they can a legacy deck.
@sakonhagakure But that doesn't even matter, because in the long run standard will always accumulate to be more than a legacy deck over time. You build your standard control deck for $700. Do that twice and that is $1400. For that price, you could get almost any legacy deck short of 43 Lands. Even when it comes to budget, you can build budget Suicide Black and Burn decks for around $100. If a budget standard deck costs $50, suddenly you spent the same money on two seasons that some. [TBC]
@boneclub24 This again is extremely subjective. There are curves in Standard and in local metas where a top placement deck doesn't cost more than $2-400. Then, for most competitive standard players, they trade off their rotating cards which helps with the cost of the next rotation needs. When you couple this with pay outs for keeping up with tier winning decks, it isn't nearly as costly.
@sakonhagakure would be spending for the same deck to have for years. And during that time, the budget player can be saving/trading/whathaveyou to either upgrade their deck or make a new deck. In the same amount of time, a budget standard player would have gotten his upgrades rotated.
Don't you think that its really fkd up that both Guillaumes are getting banned for years? I mean yes I DO understand that what they did was wrong but come on give em a fkn break. Wizards is still gonna make a lot of fkn money and I'm sure the designers are getting paid too. That's why they designed the cards in the first place right? To get paid. It's all about fkn money now days.
The price of boosters and cards are fine. Do yourself and your Friendly Local Games Store a favour, and booster draft a few times a week. You get better at the game AND your collection will get awesome after a few months.....
@topituulensuu Well from what I gather most people look over the set then order playsets of the cards they feel to be money rares, strong tourny staples, or great tabletop cards.
Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
@azxdcrs2495 Yeah, until they swing next turn. Then, gg. Instead of putting out a creature on turn two, you delayed a titan by one turn. Also, they still have a 6/6 in play, and you have an artifact that's sitting there. GG
Stop whining about the card game being expensive. What do you want them to do about it? Make less money?
"hey guys, some of the players are tired of giving us so much money - let's make the game less expensive so they can give it to other people instead!"
As far as SCG's prices being too high, MOST of the presale prices were reasonable. Then the cards sold out , so they had to bump them up. CFireball has prices lower than SCGS, but people love to complain about how there's nowhere else to go.
They may make more money in the long run but eventually wizards is going to price alot of people out of the game. I don't know about your area but in my area just simply canceling player's rewards have caused attendance at fnms and other standard tournaments throughout the week to drop.
Wizards doesn't set prices, the free market does. If you think ahead of the metagame, you can pick up cards when their prices are low. I had 9 Stoneforges before their price went up, because i thought the card had potential and was a low enough price ($3) to warrant investing.
My FNMs have gone from 30 people to more than 60. My LGS is actually moving in to a bigger location at the end of summer.
As demand goes up, so do prices. Stop pretending there's an easy solution.
@Makoeyesx Stop pretending you have any understanding of economics. Wizards doesn't set the price of individual cards, but it DOES set the price of the box, and it DOES design the cards in the rare slot. If all rares will playable, instead of shit like venser's journal, then the really good cards wouldn't cost half as much, because every pack would at least have something tradeable. The price of good mythics is crazily inflated because wizards prints totally useless cards at mythic rarity.
@AngryScissor I didn't say there wasn't a solution, i said there wasn't an easy one. You don't need a great understanding of the free market to know that cost goes up with demand. If every mythic was a good card, people would complain about that too. No matter what happens people will complain, and that is what I'm talking about. The only way to decrease prices is to decrease demand. Good luck telling a company to decrease demand on their products. . . .
@Makoeyesx actually, here are two fairly simple solutions (although they don't solve it perfectly)
don't print mythic's.
don't print junk rares.
supply of good cards goes up, and their cost goes down. simple.
but wizards won't do this. if you need to buy 4 packs for a good rare as opposed to one, you'll sell more product despite irritating your consumers. wizards is beginning to walk a fine line though.
it's not demand, that'll always be there for good cards. it's supply.
Except that GOOD is a relative term. Wolfbriar Elemental is a fine card, and what is it worth? Nothing, because it's not good ENOUGH. You can't just make all cards good, some always stand out.
As far as getting rid of mythics - Wizards (and by association, Hasbro's) revenue is up sharply. They're not going to stop doing something that makes them more money.
Bash me personally all you want if it makes you feel better.
People have been complaining about the same things for years.
@Nukeaholic My apologies about the bashing remark, that was directed at others.
My point still stands, they can't make everything good. Some things will still be worth more, and the best cards will reach astronomical prices. Wizards' response (or at least Maro's) is that if you don't like a rare, it's not for your psychographic. My LGS is actually sold out of Journals - casual players around here love it, and i love selling mine.
You are correct that they won't stop printing mythics.
@sakonhagakure And a lot of them are junk in limited too. Cerebral Eruption, Molten Psyche, Venser's Journal, Grindclock and Myr Propegator are just awful in all formats. And that's not even counting cards like Shape Anew or Tower of Calamities, which are "targeted at different psychographs," and are therefore excused for being virtually worthless. The number of rares that you just NEVER want to see is absurd, and it's not an accident.
the "free market" doesn't set the price, the performance of pros at major tournaments and sites like starcitygames do. Demand only raises the prices of items when supply is low. And I live in a town where there's 6 places to play magic all within a 20 mile radius. None of the stores around here are running low on Tezzeret Agent of Bolas any time soon yet the price stays at like $40.
Ug more people complaining about expensive cards. It's still a very cheap hobby to compete in globally. If you were into Nascar, would you complain that you can't drive ALL the top cars? Do you want all the nice golf clubs for free? Anyway this is why EDH and the other variants are more fun for us - Standard is just Jace and a small selection of net decks.
Informative as always, but the stark white background causing a fuzzy halo around you could easily be another color, and at best a cool design. Just grab an image from the wallpaper archive and paste it back there FTW
sword of war and peace deals damage to THAT player, so you can't hit them, and then target a planeswalker, i think thats what you meant. also a planeswalker doesn't have any cards in hand, so it doesn't bonus either
@geekyfrans You never target a planeswalker with direct damage; you target the PLAYER with your burn, then redirect the damage to the planeswalker. SoWaP should be able to hit both player and walker like that.
the orb is played after loosing game one, you will be on the play. you then have to side it out, for game 3, but its not too bad, they get some birds, or one sword, and then no more? the birds and stonforge need each other.
ffs, does starcity not follow legacy closely at all? or maybe they just favor their own 'crew' way too much. gerard's deck is deadguy ale splash red (or redguy ale). seriously... it's not a whole new archetype at all, stop treating it like one.
My only real issue with this episode is that the legacy part of the Metagame Shift was really lacking. It didn't even show a top 8 other than Flores's deck. It was less "legacy metagame" and more "check out this deck I like."
Other than that, keep it up EE! Great to see you back on form!
But until you give them a poison counter, Resolve is a Yu-Gi-Oh or playing card in your hand with no relevant Magic text. Jin-Gitaxis doesn't really have a place anywhere. Otherwise, nice analysis. It'd be nice if Geosurge could activate artifacts as well (*cough* Belcher). :( Your points about Batterskull vs. Jace is valid I guess, except that when I prevent my opponent from casting his Jace, I'll then cast my own.
So...Stoneforge Mystic as expensive as JtMS for the next few months? It's hilarious to me seeing how Magic is now all about being able to use any card without actually paying for it. What's another game that is that same? Oh right, poker.
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger... anyone? Why do i feel like it's getting the shaft. I'm a green player, so it might seem more awesome to me than to many others, but i really think anyone can see that it is a card that can be devastating. Sure it's a bit expensive, but there are so many ways to negate that little setback.
7:40 There are actually some turn 2 and turn 1 win-combos in Standard now: T1-Combo: Mutagenic Growth x 4 Chancellor of the Forge Swamp Tainted Strike T2-Combos (which are easier to perform): Immolating Souleater Chancellor of the Tangle Tainted Strike/Assault Strobe Lands
Wow, you talk about new combos and even gave us a new combo i haven't even heard talk about and you don't mention Mindcrank? I guess you can't give it all away up front.
WoTC has hated out every deck archetype in this metagame THAT DIDNT NEED HATE.
THeyve hated out Valakut and Vengevine instead of doing anything concrete against caw-blade. Sqauddie hawk was never the real problem, Stoneforge Mystic is what really needs to get hated out, and accessible to every colour. Now with sword of war and peace, RDW has now completely been neutered as a viable deck archetype, even if as a rogue deck.
@jiang909 I'm pretty sure by the time this set was finished, CawBlade wasn't even invented. WoTC works about two sets in the future (if not more). I can assure you M12 is already done, Commander is sitting on their warehouse, and they're probably finishing the Innistrad packaging by now. Probably in their play testing Future Future League (has that name for a reason), Valakut was an all powerful. They have about 20-30 ppl play testing, they can't go through all the future decks.
@Shadmed2 I seem to remember Mark Rosewater saying they work two *blocks* in the future. So maybe by the time NPH was announced they were already working on the block *after* Innistrad. Heady stuff, really.
the motherfucker with the foil jace must have shit his pants if he pulled it from a pack
GREATCORNHOLIO1PSN 2 weeks ago
Why is Lotus Cobra so good?????
MrPersonPPL 4 months ago
This guy's got a boner for blue.
Zabuzawarlord 4 months ago
16 damage next turn? wtf
ESP4thaWin 5 months ago
SQUUUUADDROOON HAWWWKKKK
negvey 5 months ago
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rflorian86 6 months ago
Immolating souleater is in one of my fav combos
sasukeanbu1 7 months ago
i love the show. But please stop saying commander. It's EDH.
amyinarms 8 months ago
Geosurge works better in an RDW with Chimeric Mass where after a turn you have a 7/7 out
Also as great as batterskull is and all of these powerful equipments truth be told isn't caw-blade afraid of itself making the archetype its own worst enemy
Rangerwolf447 8 months ago
i started playing magic and i have a lot of white cards so im thinking of making a white deck because i have elesh norn grand cenobite
countchokula1 9 months ago
Geosurge adds 7 red mana, Myr Sphere cost 7 colorless.....that works?
sirorion200 9 months ago
you can remove poison counters using leeches from homelands
TeamTR4P 9 months ago
2:40. How do you "make a million copies" if you can only untap splinter twin once?
ninjoshot 9 months ago
@ninjoshot Read what Deceiver Exarch does :)
mrorangeguy 9 months ago 13
@mrorangeguy oh wow I see now....
ninjoshot 9 months ago
why was neal patric harris ruding a unicorn at the end.
MrLeftfootrightfoot 9 months ago
haha, big LOL when I heard you say Dunedin! I assume, you know the correct pronunciation now, right?
This set has some of the best artwork in my opinion!
banihex 9 months ago
Batterskull is basically a mini-wurmcoil engine!!!
flracing84 9 months ago
My friend plays with an Ally deck, so I would love to use Torpor Orb to cripple it. BTW, In a draft this week it made my Tormentor Exarch and my Invader Paracite useless. It does SOMETHING.
Sarverin 9 months ago
"It doesn't DO anything."
I think Darksteel Relic qualifies more for that statement than Torpor Orb.
siukong 9 months ago
@siukong No, it DOES nothing.
azorious4 9 months ago
After seeing this cards, I WANT SOME NEW PHYREXIA NOW.
themanwiththepan 10 months ago
Hello, this summer, I plan to play in the ptq, now my question, is it benefical for a newbie to the ptq scene to play a homemade deck or an archetype like Valakut ramp
Rangerwolf447 10 months ago
@topituulensuu
Well, commander is also viable, and the cash to buy legacy isn't too much for a deck that won't change (It costs the same as caw go does) (I know all the players at the shop I go to prefer just do EDH before draft)
dmgirl3000 10 months ago
They are overdoing the OP mythic policy if you ask me. The 3 best cards of the set are already terribly pricy on e-bay. Phyrexian Obliterator, Batterskull and Karn are sweet, sure, but noone should crack packs open and be frustrated 95% of the times.
That said, I'm really into the art, specially when it comes to white and black cards. And Jin-gitaxias is the most impressive creature in commander like... ever. C'mon, EVERYONE but you looses the HAND?
Sagramorbald 10 months ago
@Sagramorbald
Dude, we just cracked a box and pulled 2 karns in a draft.
As for those three cards, the prices should drop on them once packs are being opened due to the knowledge of how common each one is at that point.
Karn's going to be dropping to about 15-20 before he stabilizes anywhere.
dmgirl3000 10 months ago
@topituulensuu
Caw Go dies in the fall.
dmgirl3000 10 months ago
Can someone tell me why I got 4 blinding Souleater, 3 Porcelain Legionaire, 3 Suture Priest, and 3 Slash Panther in a 3 new phyrexia draft?
dmgirl3000 10 months ago
@topituulensuu You should learn how to read, one person pointed out for you already.
Andulvar 10 months ago
@topituulensuu read the comments moron. And please, do understand what trolling is, after all, you have been doing it this whole time.
Andulvar 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Didn't I just give you a few card names that will get rid of Jace? or are you two stupid to be able to read? I guess you just like to bitch and complain.
Andulvar 10 months ago
Just what STandard needed a fucking Bane Slayer Angel Equipment for stone forge mystic
was caw go not fucking good enough jesus FFS wtf is WOTC doing
ProtossX 10 months ago
@ProtossX Calm down.
Klikoderat 10 months ago
@ProtossX Stoneforge Mystic and Jace TMS rotate out in 6 months. After that happens who knows what will dominate.
I'm guessing U/B tezz control
stratelite 9 months ago
@topituulensuu Stop worrying about one card, because another is going to win the match if you're not careful and were to stupid to build your deck against one piece of cardboard.
Andulvar 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Just because someone buys a Jace doesn't mean they will know how to use it, or know how to play the deck that uses him. Here in town theres people trading their foil Jace's for Force of Will play sets, after this Summer people like you can stop their whining and bitching when he drops in price by 10% to 20% due to him rotating out of Standard.
By the way, you can use Omen Machine to slow down Jace, Despise to discard it, and Hex Parasite to eat Jace's counters.
Andulvar 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Then design a winning deck to go up against the high priced cards instead of bitching. Players used to do it back in the day, they can do so now.
Andulvar 10 months ago 2
@topituulensuu Thats why I stick to a local tournament not ran by wizards or starcity and the rule is no jace baby jace and no cards past 4 years ago, it takes a while to get used to compared to other formats but it is much more fun because its all local and people dont play stuff like jund or tokens or any of the old decks some kid got 5th with a relentless rats otk and it was awesome
PrimativeLuigi 10 months ago
@topituulensuu All i hear from you little boy is bitching and complaining because your not winning. Lemme call you the WAHHHHHMBULANCE!! hahaha faggot. Try playing for fun. The people i play with try and think outside the box and come up with new ideas, we don't just net deck to try and win tournaments like you do.
TROOOLOLOLOL!!!
Jfly7814 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Sounds to me your playing for the wrong reasons. You just are playing just to want to win tournaments. If you want to go to tournaments then you need to pay for the cards to compete. If it's something you want to do then you will pay. If not , quit and shut the fuck up about it. It's pretty simple really. You already said you have 1000 better uses for your paycheck. Go, GTFO then.
I play casual and do drafts and have a blast, more fun then dealing with people like you at a tourny
Jfly7814 10 months ago
jin gitaxis u dont just win the game
sword of plow shores?
path to exile?
that new black -5/-5 for 1 black
basically tons of still of stuff kills that guy on turn one in legacy force of will beats it too?
ProtossX 10 months ago
4 power for 3 mana?
uhh isnt there a baloth thats 5/4 for 3?
and 4/5 for 3?
no offense but sorry no blade slicer isn't epic
ProtossX 10 months ago
dude squadron hawk owns that molten dragon
you could have 3 hawks out by the time that guy gets on the field an can chump him all day
figure of destiny is much better than him so is demigod of revenge
ProtossX 10 months ago
the whole idea of moltensteel dragon being able to hit for a lot of damage is good but it kinda goes to waste unless you give it trample or something
Kurogetsu1 10 months ago
@Kurogetsu1 It does have flying. I think that could be more than enough.
Shadmed2 10 months ago
@Shadmed2 oh it does too. never saw it under the phyrexian mana lol
Kurogetsu1 10 months ago
Pause at 8:58
AnibalRodriguez 10 months ago
@topituulensuu with respect as with any hobby u must pay for the the best to be the best would u expect ur nations ruby team to play of second grade pitch? on the other hand look into the past sets there will possibly answer
proudmanm1224 10 months ago
@topituulensuu You missed the point.
Demand + quality = higher prices.
wormer104 10 months ago
me like Mindcrank+Bloodchief ascension = win
ArcReaper 10 months ago
@ArcReaper hopefully people take that combo seriously lol i love it.
gameguru42392 10 months ago
I love how Evan makes every new set sound like the best set ever made. Perfect choice for a marketing job SSG.
milenrrz 10 months ago
@topituulensuu then dont play like that.... play casually u dont have to buy the expensive cards to have fun u make some bullshit fun deck
NefasturrisDK 10 months ago
Fuck pyro twin
ki1ng 10 months ago
@topituulensuu yep, this is exactly why i quit taking the game seriously. i still love it and i still love the show, but i cant afford to pay the bills (especially with gas prices gosh damn) and spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on a card game just to stand somewhat of a chance against those who still take it serious
Judoking96 10 months ago
I honestly can not wait for this set, mainly for karn he is like the new jace. But honestly alot of great cards and alot of great new ways to win.
XXdrunkenxx87 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Magic has *always* been like this though. The competitive field is hella expensive, that's all there is to it. You could just play casual
popsodarootbeers 10 months ago
@popsodarootbeers When faeries was the dominant archetype just threeish years ago, the deck cost 120 dollars. Since they introduced mythics, decks prices have gone insane.
AngryScissor 10 months ago
immolating souleater + Phyrenxian unlife + soul Conduit = win
Kanadienphatboy 10 months ago
@Kanadienphatboy immolating soul eater? i fail to see how a fiery hellhound can win you a game. I feel if you really wanna make this combo work it has to be done by surprise Ala kuldotha forgemaster. Plus you could use spellskite to protect your combo from being destroyed early on and lower your own life total before you end them with the life switch.
johnnyandthepnuemoni 10 months ago
@johnnyandthepnuemoni
i used Immolating souleater cause it was a cheap 2 mana drop that i can reduce my life to 0 right away. it could be anything really that can reduce my life to zero in one turn. i do like the use of spellkite too, very clever. cheap as well, so a bonus. i would also put cheap eldrazi spawn creating cards like spawning breath and Brood birthing.
Kanadienphatboy 10 months ago
I'm running U/B infect control.
stratelite 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Thank you for your insight. What's funny is: none of those things are true. My parents haven't ever paid for a Magic card or entrance fee (and even giving me any money is a stretch), I only work at a dead-end job to help buy cards/ pay for school, and none of my decks cost $1000. Well, I lied. One thing was true: I am a fanboy. But everyone has their guilty secret. Also, I think you thought I was responding to a different comment of yours. The one I replied to had no suggestions.
lukejf01 10 months ago
I wanna meet Evan... : /
AssassinNite 10 months ago
this set is completely broken
angeladakotacovers 10 months ago
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Spetaelsk 10 months ago 28
@Spetaelsk THANK YOU!!
Nobody7720 10 months ago
@Spetaelsk THANK YOU SO MUCH
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dawnedeclipse 10 months ago
@topituulensuu As opposed to, let's say, golf; where you don't have to spend tons of money to use the courses, buy equipment, or catapult the things you just spend money on into a pond or something. Not to mention how you could win a tournament with clubs you bought at Wal-Mart. If you don't want to waste a ton of money, don't have a hobby.
lukejf01 10 months ago
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@topituulensuu I play the game for fun, not to just beat the other guys. I fail to see how it is about "using the most expensive shit to make incredibly expensive decks that do insane things." Yes, Wizards hit a misstep, get over it. They already apologized for making Jace so good. They already announced they were gonna aim more stuff against PWs. Also, Eldrazi Green is barely a deck, and Emrakul rarely shows up. Even in Legacy, Emrakul is not that great. Worth about 8 bucks.
Shadmed2 10 months ago
@topituulensuu If Wizards sold singles, then people would complain that there's no collector value over the cards, then we'll have people complaining that Wizards don't care about the game, all they want is your cash. (Which a lot of people do already). And even if you don't like it, demand and supply exist and people will apply it.
Shadmed2 10 months ago
Really like the feel of the show at the minute Evan. Metagame shift is a nice summary of the current trends in standard and the general feel of the current format makes it the best one for a while. Good work dude.
howloudcanyouscream 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Too bad the priced is set by demand and not by WoTC. Wizards could be making more hard cash by reprinting the cards but they already said they wouldn't do that.
If you could offer a solution that's great. It's equally bad saying something is wrong but when asked for a way to solve it, you can't answer.
Shadmed2 10 months ago
@ all of you who are complaining about wotc doing nothing to control the prices of jace remember they decided oh this card is huge lets stop producing worldwake to drive up its prices
Thanatos6669 10 months ago
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LuckyT421 10 months ago
lol, corrupted resolve is junk!
PhyrexianWalker 10 months ago
People seem to overestimate the phyrexian mana cards. Free cards are awesome indeed, but cmon, 4 life, it's actually quite a lot! once, sure! twice, ow. No one's gonna like topdecking a dismember in their green deck while they're at 3 life or something!
kakashi37 10 months ago
Some of the new cards are quite impressive such as the new dragon or the equipment.And wow @ the 1 mana 4 life removal in black.
LiangHuBBB 10 months ago
@topituulensuu i totally agree. its the reason i stopped playing altogether. so many good (and i do mean GOOD) cards go completely unnoticed, all because of RIDICULOUSLY GOOD cards overshadow them. magic isn't about having fun and trying new ideas out, it's now all about using the most expensive shit to make incredibly expensive decks that do insane things. i just wanna be able to use mulldrifter again one day. so long as JTMS and emrakul exist, lots of things just don't stand a chance.
tinfold 10 months ago
@topituulensuu you can't bring a geo metro to a NASCAR race, it's just how things are man stop hatin
jschram84 10 months ago
Time to be forced to dish out another couple hundred dollars to play standard again, edh is such a better format.
Burningdemon23 10 months ago
@Burningdemon23 so true. all the cards you ever wanted to play but couldnt because they were too expensive? hells yea!
hahaifartedagain 10 months ago
Legacy isn't too expensive
Many of The best cards in the format are
If you know what your doing you can easily beat tier 1 decks w/ decks that cost less than one force of will.
Nukeaholic 10 months ago
@Nukeaholic
Which tier 1 deck are we talking about? Because for 80 dollars the only deck i MIGHT be able to build that's half way competitive is non-led dredge. (and that's if you go to a shop that doesn't know what their selling as far as commons/uncommons go.) Ever single Tier 1 decklist in legacy is going to cost you at least $400.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure BTW, I built my first legacy deck for $80, and have top 4'd quite a few locals with it. Budget White Weenies FTW.
boneclub24 10 months ago
@boneclub24 Would that same deck do a top 8 at a SCG Open... no... no it wouldn't. Your statement completely depends on a local Meta. If you are in a college focused town like Iowa City, it's easier not to run into Legacy decks shuffling up with a currently $2000 price tag which will hose you every game by turn 2-3.
valakin 10 months ago
@valakin Not everybody plays legacy just for GPs and SCGs
boneclub24 10 months ago
@Nukeaholic Yeah, please post said decks please. Infact, post a T1 deck that doesn't use dual lands which instantly drive the price beyond the $90 price tag of 1 FOW
valakin 10 months ago
@boneclub24 It's true, but I think standard is just better designed as a format. The idea that the next big thing may be your idea or that the card that has been the thorn in your side will be gone soon is attractive to some. Where as Force of Will will always be the wrench in your machine as soon as you think you've won.
lukejf01 10 months ago
@topituulensuu
if you think standard is expensive try playing legacy. I can honestly see legacy being unplayable to new players sometime within the next 5 years if they don't start reprinting the staples. for years wasteland was 20 dollars. Now it's 60. Force of Will is $80, Goblin PIledriver is $20, Lion's eye diamond is $50 and underground sea is $120.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure But legacy is a one-shot investment. Once you're in, you're in. In standard, you need a new deck EVERY YEAR.
boneclub24 10 months ago
@boneclub24
but standard decks are easier to make for 2 reasons. 1, the card pool is cheaper and 2, the cards are alot easier to find. Standard isn't full of staples that cost $50+. Legacy is. On top of that players on a tight budget can more easily build a standard deck than they can a legacy deck.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure But that doesn't even matter, because in the long run standard will always accumulate to be more than a legacy deck over time. You build your standard control deck for $700. Do that twice and that is $1400. For that price, you could get almost any legacy deck short of 43 Lands. Even when it comes to budget, you can build budget Suicide Black and Burn decks for around $100. If a budget standard deck costs $50, suddenly you spent the same money on two seasons that some. [TBC]
boneclub24 10 months ago
@boneclub24 This again is extremely subjective. There are curves in Standard and in local metas where a top placement deck doesn't cost more than $2-400. Then, for most competitive standard players, they trade off their rotating cards which helps with the cost of the next rotation needs. When you couple this with pay outs for keeping up with tier winning decks, it isn't nearly as costly.
valakin 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure would be spending for the same deck to have for years. And during that time, the budget player can be saving/trading/whathaveyou to either upgrade their deck or make a new deck. In the same amount of time, a budget standard player would have gotten his upgrades rotated.
boneclub24 10 months ago
Don't you think that its really fkd up that both Guillaumes are getting banned for years? I mean yes I DO understand that what they did was wrong but come on give em a fkn break. Wizards is still gonna make a lot of fkn money and I'm sure the designers are getting paid too. That's why they designed the cards in the first place right? To get paid. It's all about fkn money now days.
MeterminatorX 10 months ago
The price of boosters and cards are fine. Do yourself and your Friendly Local Games Store a favour, and booster draft a few times a week. You get better at the game AND your collection will get awesome after a few months.....
HighlanderGames98 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Well from what I gather most people look over the set then order playsets of the cards they feel to be money rares, strong tourny staples, or great tabletop cards.
Then get boosters if they want them.
wormer104 10 months ago
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Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
Torpor orb only affects titans coming into play. They're still 6/6's that have abilities when they attack. Playing torpor orb basically turns their CIPT ability into "target player spends their second turn playing a do-nothing artifact"
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
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MrPeebuddy 10 months ago
Matt Marr wearing a 60 card shirt on the Magic Show made Smi77y jizz in his pants.
MrPeebuddy 10 months ago
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Torpor Orb does pretty much nothing against Titans : You still get a 6/6 to deal with, and the trigger will resolve when it attacks.
Niksorus 10 months ago
Torpor Orb does pretty much nothing against Titans : You still get a 6/6 to deal with, and the trigger will resolve when it attacks.
Niksorus 10 months ago
Torpor Orb does pretty much nothing against Titans : You still get a 6/6 to deal with, and the trigger will resolve when it attacks.
Niksorus 10 months ago
@mrorangeguy As far as Torpor Orb in Standard is concerned...
You know this affect Titans, right?
azxdcrs2495 10 months ago
@azxdcrs2495 Darn, then you're stuck with a 6/6 that has to wait for its activated ability when it attacks the next turn.
schloegel 10 months ago
@azxdcrs2495 Darn, then you're stuck with a 6/6 that has to wait for its activated ability when it attacks the next turn.
schloegel 10 months ago
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@azxdcrs2495 Darn, then you're stuck with a 6/6 that has to wait for its activated ability when it attacks the next turn.
schloegel 10 months ago
@azxdcrs2495 Yeah, until they swing next turn. Then, gg. Instead of putting out a creature on turn two, you delayed a titan by one turn. Also, they still have a 6/6 in play, and you have an artifact that's sitting there. GG
Shadmed2 10 months ago
Stop whining about the card game being expensive. What do you want them to do about it? Make less money?
"hey guys, some of the players are tired of giving us so much money - let's make the game less expensive so they can give it to other people instead!"
As far as SCG's prices being too high, MOST of the presale prices were reasonable. Then the cards sold out , so they had to bump them up. CFireball has prices lower than SCGS, but people love to complain about how there's nowhere else to go.
Makoeyesx 10 months ago 2
@Makoeyesx
They may make more money in the long run but eventually wizards is going to price alot of people out of the game. I don't know about your area but in my area just simply canceling player's rewards have caused attendance at fnms and other standard tournaments throughout the week to drop.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure
Wizards doesn't set prices, the free market does. If you think ahead of the metagame, you can pick up cards when their prices are low. I had 9 Stoneforges before their price went up, because i thought the card had potential and was a low enough price ($3) to warrant investing.
My FNMs have gone from 30 people to more than 60. My LGS is actually moving in to a bigger location at the end of summer.
As demand goes up, so do prices. Stop pretending there's an easy solution.
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
@Makoeyesx Stop pretending you have any understanding of economics. Wizards doesn't set the price of individual cards, but it DOES set the price of the box, and it DOES design the cards in the rare slot. If all rares will playable, instead of shit like venser's journal, then the really good cards wouldn't cost half as much, because every pack would at least have something tradeable. The price of good mythics is crazily inflated because wizards prints totally useless cards at mythic rarity.
AngryScissor 10 months ago
@AngryScissor I didn't say there wasn't a solution, i said there wasn't an easy one. You don't need a great understanding of the free market to know that cost goes up with demand. If every mythic was a good card, people would complain about that too. No matter what happens people will complain, and that is what I'm talking about. The only way to decrease prices is to decrease demand. Good luck telling a company to decrease demand on their products. . . .
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
@Makoeyesx actually, here are two fairly simple solutions (although they don't solve it perfectly)
don't print mythic's.
don't print junk rares.
supply of good cards goes up, and their cost goes down. simple.
but wizards won't do this. if you need to buy 4 packs for a good rare as opposed to one, you'll sell more product despite irritating your consumers. wizards is beginning to walk a fine line though.
it's not demand, that'll always be there for good cards. it's supply.
Nukeaholic 10 months ago
@Nukeaholic
Except that GOOD is a relative term. Wolfbriar Elemental is a fine card, and what is it worth? Nothing, because it's not good ENOUGH. You can't just make all cards good, some always stand out.
As far as getting rid of mythics - Wizards (and by association, Hasbro's) revenue is up sharply. They're not going to stop doing something that makes them more money.
Bash me personally all you want if it makes you feel better.
People have been complaining about the same things for years.
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
@Makoeyesx how did i bash you?
i said they wouldn't remove mythics.
and wolfbriar was widely used for a short-while, it's cards like venser's journal and co'.
unless the card gets abused or is the key to a tier 1 deck it won't skyrocket in value.
case and point, wolfbriar elemental and stoneforge mystic
Nukeaholic 10 months ago
@Nukeaholic My apologies about the bashing remark, that was directed at others.
My point still stands, they can't make everything good. Some things will still be worth more, and the best cards will reach astronomical prices. Wizards' response (or at least Maro's) is that if you don't like a rare, it's not for your psychographic. My LGS is actually sold out of Journals - casual players around here love it, and i love selling mine.
You are correct that they won't stop printing mythics.
Makoeyesx 10 months ago
@AngryScissor
useless in constructed. alot of those "junk rares" may suck in a constructed formats but are totally limited/sealed bombs.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
@sakonhagakure And a lot of them are junk in limited too. Cerebral Eruption, Molten Psyche, Venser's Journal, Grindclock and Myr Propegator are just awful in all formats. And that's not even counting cards like Shape Anew or Tower of Calamities, which are "targeted at different psychographs," and are therefore excused for being virtually worthless. The number of rares that you just NEVER want to see is absurd, and it's not an accident.
AngryScissor 10 months ago
@Makoeyesx
the "free market" doesn't set the price, the performance of pros at major tournaments and sites like starcitygames do. Demand only raises the prices of items when supply is low. And I live in a town where there's 6 places to play magic all within a 20 mile radius. None of the stores around here are running low on Tezzeret Agent of Bolas any time soon yet the price stays at like $40.
sakonhagakure 10 months ago
Do you have an opinion on Cathedral Membrane Evan?
onecommentaccount 10 months ago
Deathless angel, emeria angel, mycolth shepperd, mytoic slime
nintendofan1017 10 months ago
Torpor Orb stopping the Titans from the initial trigger?
Xylerx000 10 months ago
@Xylerx000 Just the initial trigger. If the titans attack, they get the effect.
kennyc002 10 months ago
Ug more people complaining about expensive cards. It's still a very cheap hobby to compete in globally. If you were into Nascar, would you complain that you can't drive ALL the top cars? Do you want all the nice golf clubs for free? Anyway this is why EDH and the other variants are more fun for us - Standard is just Jace and a small selection of net decks.
spaceninja151 10 months ago
Informative as always, but the stark white background causing a fuzzy halo around you could easily be another color, and at best a cool design. Just grab an image from the wallpaper archive and paste it back there FTW
spaceninja151 10 months ago
Great show, Evan! Keep up the good work.
CougarBen02 10 months ago
Can I get that NPH with NPH as a wallpaper?
Otsaika 10 months ago
Even isn't wearing a SCG shirt...
YAY!!!!
ItsTheSecretAsian 10 months ago
'HALLURERYBODY!!!!!!"
eragon3131 10 months ago 2
dismember is black...
SirFritzalot 10 months ago
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McShieldBash 10 months ago
sword of war and peace deals damage to THAT player, so you can't hit them, and then target a planeswalker, i think thats what you meant. also a planeswalker doesn't have any cards in hand, so it doesn't bonus either
geekyfrans 10 months ago
@geekyfrans You never target a planeswalker with direct damage; you target the PLAYER with your burn, then redirect the damage to the planeswalker. SoWaP should be able to hit both player and walker like that.
Parallaxal 10 months ago
the orb is played after loosing game one, you will be on the play. you then have to side it out, for game 3, but its not too bad, they get some birds, or one sword, and then no more? the birds and stonforge need each other.
danbaker90 10 months ago
lol, evan-can-not-see-crap-cards-for-what-they-are is back
spaceloner90 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Ever seen Legacy? Some of those cards are crazy costly due to be hard to find.
Other sports and chess all have the same pieces and are produced repeatedly.
But with cards only so many copies will be made.
wormer104 10 months ago
ffs, does starcity not follow legacy closely at all? or maybe they just favor their own 'crew' way too much. gerard's deck is deadguy ale splash red (or redguy ale). seriously... it's not a whole new archetype at all, stop treating it like one.
xKihgax 10 months ago
so i watched this just o hear u say everything LSV and Patrick Chappin already sayd in magic TV last week thx for wasting my time :D
xXLagwagonXx 10 months ago
@topituulensuu Prices rise with demand and scarcity.
And recently someone did some math and noticed that a lot of past decks were also costly. It was just spread over more cards.
wormer104 10 months ago
My only real issue with this episode is that the legacy part of the Metagame Shift was really lacking. It didn't even show a top 8 other than Flores's deck. It was less "legacy metagame" and more "check out this deck I like."
Other than that, keep it up EE! Great to see you back on form!
SoulReaverDan 10 months ago
NPH?? Neil Patrick Harris???
ishcms 10 months ago
Good show man
nevenias 10 months ago
But until you give them a poison counter, Resolve is a Yu-Gi-Oh or playing card in your hand with no relevant Magic text. Jin-Gitaxis doesn't really have a place anywhere. Otherwise, nice analysis. It'd be nice if Geosurge could activate artifacts as well (*cough* Belcher). :( Your points about Batterskull vs. Jace is valid I guess, except that when I prevent my opponent from casting his Jace, I'll then cast my own.
jvdthwip 10 months ago
@jvdthwip EDH...*cough* Commander...says hi.
edgewalker18 10 months ago
sweet show evan!
LordMigit 10 months ago
they are not gonna ban jace.. if they werent going to ban him before why would they ban him now.. he's gonna rotate.. chill.
serenades666 10 months ago
Its disheartening to watch Wizards print turn3 kills in standard. :(
timodilo 10 months ago
So...Stoneforge Mystic as expensive as JtMS for the next few months? It's hilarious to me seeing how Magic is now all about being able to use any card without actually paying for it. What's another game that is that same? Oh right, poker.
Fantasy poker. Whee.
Relatharr 10 months ago
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger... anyone? Why do i feel like it's getting the shaft. I'm a green player, so it might seem more awesome to me than to many others, but i really think anyone can see that it is a card that can be devastating. Sure it's a bit expensive, but there are so many ways to negate that little setback.
bolllzack 10 months ago
Heck Yes! I knew the dragon would be crazy. I argued that same point, "it does 16" bolt bolt, win much?
chaosmyr 10 months ago
Froschritter 10 months ago
@Froschritter good luck getting either one of those combos off reliably
zangetsu9915 10 months ago
@zangetsu9915
Wow, thanks for telling me captain obvious!
Froschritter 10 months ago
It took me a few minutes to see the Melira + Phyrexian Unlife lock.
Vinifera7 10 months ago
I love how hard Ervin is trying to sell mediocre casual cards as the next big thing. At least LSV is honest with his reviews
ModeLTU 10 months ago 25
Torpor Orb = The best side-board agains Allies.
KizuxTheo 10 months ago
Wow, you talk about new combos and even gave us a new combo i haven't even heard talk about and you don't mention Mindcrank? I guess you can't give it all away up front.
Tazzer88 10 months ago
WoTC has hated out every deck archetype in this metagame THAT DIDNT NEED HATE.
THeyve hated out Valakut and Vengevine instead of doing anything concrete against caw-blade. Sqauddie hawk was never the real problem, Stoneforge Mystic is what really needs to get hated out, and accessible to every colour. Now with sword of war and peace, RDW has now completely been neutered as a viable deck archetype, even if as a rogue deck.
jiang909 10 months ago
@jiang909 I'm pretty sure by the time this set was finished, CawBlade wasn't even invented. WoTC works about two sets in the future (if not more). I can assure you M12 is already done, Commander is sitting on their warehouse, and they're probably finishing the Innistrad packaging by now. Probably in their play testing Future Future League (has that name for a reason), Valakut was an all powerful. They have about 20-30 ppl play testing, they can't go through all the future decks.
Shadmed2 10 months ago
@Shadmed2 I seem to remember Mark Rosewater saying they work two *blocks* in the future. So maybe by the time NPH was announced they were already working on the block *after* Innistrad. Heady stuff, really.
Relatharr 10 months ago
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007subscriber 10 months ago
that no poisen counters and white card is going to be a sweet ass combo.
ChibiGamEr 10 months ago