kid buu is the strongest buu even stronger then buuhan because the suprime kai said himself that kid uu is the most evil and strongest buu and original buu and when goku was fighting kid buu before ssj3 goku said that his power and speed 2 times increased
@TheOriginal700 So you believe that boo's power rises then drops back down without a spurce to what's causing that? You disagree even though the Japanese manga states that the goodness the kais gave boo through absorption that lowered his power had returned back to the way it was before?? U disagree with the fact that boo's power was rising once they removed the source of the kais from him
@EndreVanan no because the suprime kai said himself that kid buu is the most evil and strongest buu and goku even said himself that kid buu his power and speed 2 times increased
wrong supreme kai only said kid buu is the most dangerous buu not the strongest one and goku never said kid buu is twice stronger than before you are using the stupid english dub since goku never said that in the manga
@ijsking1243 supreme kai didnt say he was the strongest buu... he said he is more dangerous than any other forms of Buu, due to his full relentless evil and unpredictability and He is also completely free of restraint and has no trace of sanity, remember when super buu (gohan absorbed) thought he defeated vegito? he went around casually looking for food, if it was kid buu however the moment his opponent was defeated he wouldnt think twice about destroying the planet, making him dangerous
@xvbrad101 That's not what supreme kai said, he said : yes...the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption[s] has returned back "to the way it was before", which means now that his pureevil heart isback,no kai influence is controlling his heart back from using his fullpotential. I put the [s] in because the Japanese language doesnt have a plural symbol.But its common sense that kid boo > super boo because his ki was growing when the kais left boo
@xvbrad101 So yes kai did say that kid boo was the strongest nonfused boo at the most. because he said that the the heart that lowered his power through absorbing has "returned back", meaning that lowered power isnt holding him back anymore. The theory that kid boo is weaker doesn't apply when examining the fact that kaioshin states and the fact that there was absolutely nothing inside boo's body to give him power when the kai influence was torn out.
@FuckThaName Spoken like the true noob you are who acts like twat thinking assumptions > facts. "shot in the face". For providing official information ? Shot in the face over a cartoon?? Bitch please, grow up. All the words coming from you just translate to "I am gay, I make shit up to fit my interpretation"
Kid Buu is shown to be completely exhausted after he fires a kamehameha (which Goku confronts and survives btw which supports Goku being Kid Buu's equal)
Also in the prior me-lees Kid Buu is shown using his chocolate beam against Goku out of frustration Some people consider this a gag scene purely because Kid Buu and Goku are shown biting each other prior to the chocolate beam But Kid Buu biting Goku perfectly demonstrates his animality/rutlessness
Nope, Kid buu was not exhausted, we don't see him pant, etc. He had scratches? That does not mean he was exhausted. And the candy magic, as you said, it's a gag and shouldn't be used seriously. Akira stated his favorite fights were funny ones, that's why the Gotenks vs Super Buu fight was one of his favorites..
Not because he wasn't already powered up previously; Chapter: 516 (DBZ 322), P8.2
Context: as Boo stops the Genki-Dama
Vegeta: “I didn’t pla-plan on this…! Kakarot doesn’t have the sta-stamina to fire that all-important Genki-Dama…!” Anyway the spirit bomb is stupid and full of inconsistencies such as Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo not fusing/going SSJ/not powering up so logically if the spirit bomb used raw Ki, It would have benefited more from powering up.
In dbz the greater the size of the spirit bomb, the more powerful it is.
So logically if the spirit bomb used raw power as such, the spirit bomb post Gohan and co should have been bigger than the spirit bomb on Namek vs Frieza right?...unless Frieza is stronger than Ultimate Gohan because he survived the spirit bomb on Namek? *chuckles*.
As for him not powering up untill the spirit bomb, the only reason he wasn't wiped out straight away by the spirit bomb was because Goku was too weak to push it
@1089vegito Non of the Buus were ever shown being completely destroyed by some of the most powerful ki attacks in the series. Vegetas Final explosion was useless on Fat Buu, and a full powered Kamehameha from Goku as a Ssj3 on Kid Buu before he was exhausted were all useless. The Spirit bomb probably would have been useless also if not for Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and the other Z-fighters power in it. And remember, Gohan doesn't have the go ssj anymore after getting his power unlocked.
@FuckThaName "The two entered the Room of Spirit and Time, and hurriedly trained as Gotenks. As a result, Gotenks leveled up so much that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others." - Daizenshuu 7. Yeah I stand by my case and I always will. Ssj gotenks was a massive gamble as stated by goku. An piccolo NEVER said ssj gotenks can beat fat boo. Infact he flew after him once more
nope he was amazed about how strong ssj gotenks was and he never said he cant beat fat buu like he did when he saw base gotenks he was only worried since he had 1 minute to stay fused
@FuckThaName It's funny because it's hilarious how you are the true noob here for going off of assumptions and bullshit rather than using official word. Too bad your an ignorant jackass who needs to learn his facts you fucking noob XD
@OWmyDragonballz its actually hilarious how u are th true noob for mistaking bullshit for the offical word to bad u are a fucking idiot who should be shot on the face :)
yep you are defentely an idiot iok man if you dont want to listen dont do it yet the anime is official and it says kid buu>buhan in the anime kid buu can talk and thats impossible since the manga states he has no personallity which means the OFFICIAL anime contradicts the manga am i wrong about that as well? games are also official and they are full of shits and the daizenshuu never said goku>gohan you lied when you said the daizenshuu states ssj vegit only surpassed ssj3 goku
if you are so right why dont you answer me? why do you ignore the proof that i showed about the daiz being wrong about many things? you are clearly biased
@pakl123456 the fact is pakl who is not biased in these arguments? i myself am biased thats cause i chose to be on this matter of which boo is stronger but the real fact is though everyone is biased, even an unbiased person shows biased by not presenting all facts on either side or leaving out something info that is critical it could be mistake or it could be on purpose but no one is unbiased
being confuesd or not so sure about which buu is stronger is diffrent than saying ssj3 goku is stronger than mystic gohan and gotenks even though the manga proves gotenks and gohan sre FAR stronger than goku
@karutobi Hey just wanted to let you know that is a fanmade interview from a non existent magazine called super otaku. Toriyama never actually said any of that. Plus it contradicts the daizenshuus.
@pakl123456 You contradict the manga, the daizenshuu's are legit and they completely own your little theoretical claims. Good luck fighting against what the creator states about them. You're indenial, that much is obvious.
i am in denial? according to you most of dbz fans are in denial because most of them say the daizenshuu is wrong the daizenshuu contradicted toriyama manyy times for example the daizenshuu states gohan was a ssj2 vs dabura and toriyama stated he only went ssj2 vs kibito and the manga proves so as well the manga states raditz's power level was 1,200 and the daizenshuu says he was 1,500 the daizenshuu contradicts itself since it says raditz is 1,500 and equal to saibaiman but
the daizenshuu states saibaiman is 1,200 so 1500=1,200? the daizenshuu contradicts itself and there are many other bullshit that the daizenshuu cllaims the daiz is legit? the games are also legit the anime is also legit yet the anime states kid buu>buuhan anime is not equal to manga you are the one who is in denial if you think toriyama read every single line in the daiz
@OWmyDragonballz Enough of your nonsense. You constantly make no sense and lack context. You like to fight against what the creator himself intends and that is the definition of a true fanboy like yourself. The Daizenshuu's make the same message to the manga, it makes the message more clear, how can you not see the fact that ssj gotenks is weaker than majin vegeta? you're such a retard. He was a nasty gamble and that's what the daizenshuu's are saying.
fale you are lying first goku stated its a risky ganble not nasty stop making shits up if you would have listened to me you would have known my point and you are the one who lack context just like your idiotical points if ssj gotenks is weaker than magin vegeta so i guess ssj gotenks>ssj goku so if thats true so ssj3 gotenks>ssj3 goku besides the daiz states gotenks surpassed vegeta and the others and gohan surpassed gotenks then vegito is stronger than the ssj3 form goku wasnt
even mentioned piccolo was surprised by how strong gortenks was so ssj gotenks>ssj goku and logically ssj3 gotenks>ssj3 goku if you are done with me why did you reply me? and why cant you just listen? lol i am trying to explain you but you just cant understand lol the manga proves gotenks>>>goku stop arguing aginst that
@pakl123456 So the daizenshuu's (a description of the manga that restates what the manga has already established) contradicts the manga? You're a bigger idiot than I thought. The only thing that contradicts the manga is you pakl and that's a fact.
yep sure the man who says movies are canon imao you are the idiot here hoe can movies being canon if it was not made by toriyama? shut up the fans know you are a dumb and just because toriyama approved the daiz doesnt mean everything is true the daizenshuu contrzdicts the manga since it has flwas and the daizenshuu claims false information which contradict the manga and i have already showed you some its funny since i keep showing how idiot you are and your rediculous points lol
@wiines64 hey its me again i was going to end this but i came across an interview giving evidence super buu was stronger. google akira toriyama interview by nirazaki tihashiberi it was done before gotenks learned ss3 he says gotenks was stronger than goku by a little note this meant ssj gotenks when gotenks in ss attacks super buu he cant hurt him. but when ss3 goku attacks kid buu he is actually able to do some damage but not really.
@karutobi i get it but the thing is though villians are always doomed to repeat the same mistake which is lollygag before really finishing off the hero
look at frieza he himself easily had the power to destroy all the fighters on namek, he wanst even using 50% of energy when facing goku, yet he lollygagged and died for it
look at cell he himself easily had the power to destroy everyone on planet on earth, he was faster and stronger than gohan, yet the same mistake he didnt get to the
@karutobi point and blow up the z fighters when he had the chance before gohan turned ssj2
look at super boo he fought at full strength and lost to gotenks ssj3, he didnt get to the point and kill gotenks before they went ssj3 thats the only difference super fought at full strength but yet he still lollygagged
look at kid boo are seriously to believe that is his full strength?
now if your following me you probably will see my pattern kid boo lollygagged and paid the price with his life
@karutobi also with the damage to hurt kid boo, im not debating this but for 1 kid boo has infinite stamina and second there is a theory that my friend told me of that goku is able to hurt kid boo, cause goku is stronger than gohan, not debating just pointing the theory out in why might akira actually say goku was able to hurt kid boo
@wiines64 i doubt goku actually hurt buu physically i think the majins recover from damage the only way to kill them is to destroy them completely. ss3 gotenks didnt hurt super buu he beat him up but he was only hurt mentally because he was stronger than him and goku is not stronger than gohan until gt theres hard facts prooving this
@karutobi dude i know i was just pointing it out that theory i never said it was like law that goku was stronger just pointing it out what my friend stated on why akira MIGHT say that, anyways im pretty sure that is right you really cant hurt majin boo just kill him basically, but gotenks was hurting boo, not his body but more of his ego, and 10 years later is still z cause they dont end it until they get to the next tournament where they see uub, that goku is stronger than gohan
@wiines64 the only thing i believe kid buu has on super buu is speed and wildness. and why was goku scared to fight buu with the help of vegeta and when he was about to fight buutenks he went ss3 in like 2 seconds but everyother time it took him a few minutes. ss3 isnt as easy for goku to control because it drains his stamina as if he wasnt supposed to achive it yet like the trancended ss
@karutobi i think it was response cause he knew he had to go right away and react instantly, whereas kid boo and fat boo had waited until he fully transformed, but the first time with fat boo all the ssj levels get a dramatic few scenes, first time going ssj with goku, same with gohan except ssj2 and ssj3, i know ssj3 drains his power, its not exactly stamina but overall power and strength which i guess is stamina, but i mean he could only achieve it for 2-5 mins before fatigue hit him
@karutobi but my point still stands are we seriously going to believe that is kid boos full strength now? i mean why build up for it right? think about he builds up this crazy confusing story on why boo landed there and how he got fat, then end it with him being weaker how may i ask? it doesnt make sense
@wiines64 in dbz gods are just regular people with pure hearts and are strong if pure hearts negativly effect him why did gohan and goten not? something else i found weird but goten and trunks should be stronger than piccollo why did he change back into piccollo instead of trunks since trunks was stronger than goten. cant say how weak gohan had gotten by the end but he should be able to go on par with goku still sbuu was pure evil but the majin didnt effect him
@karutobi yeh but the fact is they are not regular people though are they, there is too much evidence against using kais to strengthen buu, but the fact is they cant use their energy to revive him, the potara earings are the fusion of the gods, when turned into candy it only words half way, and the potara fusion ended in boo's body but yet the metamorran fusion didnt end, they are all kai related, gods and demons dont mix that point alone can debunk south kaioushin strengthening boo
@wiines64 well why didnt piccollo being an ex god effect him? he was still stronger than super buu all the kais seem to be master martial artists with pure hearts and were rewarded for it the only kai that was really a kai was the grand kai he wasnt ever shown but was mentioned
@karutobi your over analyzing the whole kami thing, that is simply more of a title not an actual deity, on the other hand kais are actual gods though, the grand kai doesnt really have a story at all
@wiines64 well i dont believe the kais have a large race of people and old kai got corrupted after fusing with a witch so everyone after him should be corrupted to
@karutobi actually what ended up happening is that after he fused he was basically trapped inside the sword preventing future kais from being corrupted
@wiines64 actually he said many years later a brave warrior fought him because he was scared of his potential unlocking power (probably didnt want anyone to be stronger than himself)
@karutobi Goten and Gohan are kind hearted people, but neither of them are truly PURE of heart or pure good. Remember how ruthless and wreckless Gohan became when he turned SSj2 against Cell. Gohan may have a kind nature, but even he is susceptible to the ruthless warroir nature that the saiyans have. Only Dai Kaiou was ever said to be pure good.
@LordMalice6d9 gohan goten and goku could all still ride nimbus and only the pure hearted can ride him gohan didnt become ruthless he did become reckless though but goku was still able to ride nimbus after slaughtering king piccollos minions and king piccollo himself and if you believe nimbus doesnt allow non pure hearts then your being ignorant i dont believe master roshi had even rode it because he was a pervert even as a teen
@karutobi ALL saiyans have a ruthless side to them and a desire for a good fight. Why should Gohan, Trunks and Goten be any different just because they are half saiyan?
Besides, Dia Kaiouh is a God, Kid Buu is a pure evil demon. they are both supernatural beings. What happens when a God of pure and kind heart merges with a being of pure evil? They cancel each other out. Fat Buu was niether comepletely evil nor good.
@ryuhayabu1 Lol but with that logic. Base Gohan would make boo weaker of he absorbed base Gohan. It's safe to say that any form of ssj can ride kinto un because they aren't evil. They are fighting away villains to protect people
@OWmyDragonballz Piccolo said mystic gohan was entirely different in character. Boo absorbed mystic gohan, not base gohan. But anyway I agree and I know the kaioshins can't add ki to a demon. It's common sense.
However, everyone knows a SSJ doesn't have a pure heart, nor has piccolo nor mystic gohan. They can't ride kintoun as that requires a pure heart. Any SSJ (except FPSSJ) has anger in his heart
@ryuhayabu1@ryuhayabu1 Then explain why he could ride kinto un? Only a person with a pure heart can. None of the kais are compatible with boo. They are gods.
@ryuhayabu1 Well goodness doesn't necessarily decrease boo's power. I mean Gohan was pure of heart when he got absorbed (a person who can ride kinto un), boo's power didn't decrease at all. But dai Kai oshin did because he is a Kai himself. Kais are not compatible with boo.
@wiines64 one last thing though.. kid buu and super buu had different brains..right? when they unfused and super buu got eliminated with all his past knowledge becoming nothing because he wasnt supposed to exist how could buu supress his chi after powering up? he could only have learned this from gohan but then again all of the things kid buu learned is from what he sees he never knew gohan
@wiines64 how about we agree to disagree i think theres no real way of telling who was actually stronger there isnt enough facts on either side truth is akira toriyama got a bit lazy at the end in some ways more than others the dubs in both jap and eng added things that the characters never did or said the japanese groups put theyre speculations in and people see them as fact the only way of knowing whos stronger is if akira said so
@karutobi well i wouldnt say different brains considering the fact that when vegeta was about to pull good boo out from the pod, super boo was afraid and says basically i wont be me anymore so super knows about his original prime state or his pure state which is kid boo, so saying they have different brains is a little off, its more of the fact that its personality since super boo can speak and kid boo can not
@karutobi energy can only be gained never lost unless forcefully taken i.e. cell with the loss of andriod 18 but there is alwasy an exception, with the destruction of ki blasts and ki based attacks it is merely dispersed, kid boo or chibi boo cant lose energy
chibi=pure in the japanese manga they refer to kid boo as chibi or pure, why would they name him pure? cause he himself is the pure majin boo, every other form doesnt even exist technically speaking the kais dont make him stronger
@wiines64 ok goku going from super saiyan to regular.. bam all that chi is gone unless he goes super saiyan again vegeto being unfused bam what happened all that chi disapeard. super buu defusing with buff kai? bam all that chi is gone and the two of them start laughing at him people say kid buu is stronger because he was crazy and laughs theres no evidence he was toying with goku he tried killing them as soon as he transformed in the fight hes actually trying
@karutobi vegeto is practically vegeta mulitplied by gokus strength, ssj thats just your heightened abilities, this is where the fail part comes in yes he is toying with them upon the reverse transformation goku confirms that his energy is growing which is chibi boos pure and natural energy essentially he is feeding off his own ki, this debunks anything super boo has, you cant lose energy it merely transforms into another state or it becomes potential energy
@karutobi also its not possible for energy to disappear it can never the only time it does is when people either A) people hide their power level B) they are near death or C) in contexts people are not searching for ki cause they are in the battle fighting their opponents this debunks anything you have to say about energy disappearing its not possible, even if its fiction energy is niether created nor destroyed merely transformed, with the creation of boo, he himself yes his power was gathered
@wiines64 This video is reeked with Gohan/Super boo diarrhea. There are those who have or don't have context. And you yourself are providing direct proof whereas these other guys lack that to fit their interpretations.
@OWmyDragonballz yeh i get what you mean you should see ninjamasterbro he tries to corrupt every point to make his interpretation true, there is just no proof to actually say that super boo is stronger there is none, the best way to get the best info is to learn japanese and to interpret it your own way
@OWmyDragonballz and what i dont get is that why is that every video trying to prove kid boo>super boo everyone is trying to prove each other wrong but when you see a super boo>kid boo video everyone is in agreement, then when it goes to a gohan>kid boo thats when all people who agree with kid boo are actually there and try to argue
@OWmyDragonballz listen to what ryuhayabu1 says he is knowledgable knows what he is talking about and has been learning japanese and he confirms that pawaa=power and it was used in the dai kaioushin absorbtion, nothing about south but i mean theres too much evidence against using south kaioushin for power, in multiple interpretations it says that kibitoshin: "he would go so far as to lower his power through absorbtions..." is what the herms manga states
@OWmyDragonballz not only that but i mean they couldnt use kibitos energy or the kaioushins energy to revive boo, if thats not evidence of proving people wrong then go to the reverse transformation, his power his rising note: there is no kaioushins or anyone in his body which means he is feeding off his own power
the reason why everyone thinks that kid boo is on par with goku ssj3 is cause of exhaustion and it appears that they have an even fight
@OWmyDragonballz fight not to mention that goku never says anything about ki, yet he does though just very obscurely such as small statements in this video, of check out what djinn guru thinks its 3 videos long about the interpretation of majin boo and everything about him also djinn guru got most of his facts from ryuhayabu1 which stated in the videos check them out whenever you can
in the manga kid buu barely pushed back the spirit bomb and the only reason he was able to do that is because goku had no power to push the attack yet when goku's powers were back he easily beat kid buu by using one arm and the spirit bomb only takes some of your power the spirit bomb doesnt use raw power if the ki was important so goten and trunks would have fused but they never even went ssj so the spirit bomb obviously doesnt use raw power and gohan is the strongest unfused
super buu doesnt have kai influence evil buu is pure evil without any influence good buu is a regular buu and he only holds back super buu to not hurt satan but its not kai influence its good buu who makes super buu less dangerous and good buu did the same with kid buu unless you think kid buu also had kai influence super buu is more powerful than kid buu but he is less dangerous than him the whole point of kid buu's absorptions was to make him less dangerous
@1320goku the japanese manga states he lost power with the absorbtion of dai kaioushin, and with this fat boo isnt nearly as strong, super boo is stronger cause the more evil side is dominant also has a body more suited toward fighting, fat boo has influence which is why he is not as strong as super or kid boo, the difference between super and kid boo is that once again evil side was dominant over good boo, where as kid boo is evil itself
i know he got weaker but i meant that the main point was to make him less dangerous thats why kid buu was sated to be the most dangerous buu and not the strongest one isuper buu is stronger than kid buu he surpassed him in terms of powerr yet he would never been able to be as dangerous as kid buu since kid buu is evil itself and goot buu makes super buu less dangerous than kis buu yet super buu is far stronger
@1320goku the less dangerous part is true they clamed him and dai kaioushin made boo lose power, however the most dangerous part is bull, everyone is dangerous, frieza blew up a planet does that make him more dangerous, super boo wiped out the entire population with a single attack how is this not dangerous?, kid boo dangerous yes he is but super boo is fully capable of blowing shit up too, i mean c'mon cell tried twice to blow up the planet, so the whole dangerous part is bull
no the kai meant kid buu is the dangerous since he is unrestrained he attacks without thinking as note h even blew himself up in order to bust the planet thats why he is the most dangerous not the strongest
@Stormdragon26 then why does Evil Boo need to absorb Good Boo to get to that form? How the fuck does that make it a base form dont go around calling people retards you fucking idiot.
@pakl123456 Being unrestrained makes him stronger just like Frieza having all these different forms, his first form restrained a lot of his power and got stronger every time he transform and when he was at his final form which was strongest Frieza was completely unrestrained. Since Kid Buu is unrestrained and Super Buu isn't that means Kid Buu is stronger.
@pakl123456 yeh actually thats what unrestrained means that you have all power available, super boo was never stated that he was unrestrained, fat boo was, evil boo is apart of that and so is super boo, where as kid boo is not restraint by emotions or by dai k
@pakl123456 Being unrestrained makes you stronger when you're restrained then you're weaker. Super Buu is restrained and Kid Buu is all unrestrained so Kid Buu is stronger.
no kid buu is unrestrained since he attacks without thinking so it makes him ore dangerous as stated in the manga but gray buu is unrestrained without influence and he is not the strongest
no kid buu being evil doesnt make him stronger it makes him more dangerous good buu only controled super bu to not hurt satan and he did the same with kid buu so was kid buu weak when good buu stopped him to not hurt satan? no
also this notice kid buu didnt power up shit was dug out your ass i believe non of the buus can power up at all because they were made from magic they only have chi from those who awakened them with it because no where in the show or manga do you see any of the buus power up even when being utterly dominated
@karutobi then i have to say your an idiot for not remembering the part where it states that buff boos power is rising, then turns into kid boo, his power cant disappear so its hidden away, not to mention there are no kais, or good boo, he is purely feeding off his own power we dont see him become stronger cause it wasnt necessary for kid boo to use all his strength, the energy sphere kid boo made was from his own energy it barely took anything to make it that huge
@pakl123456 dude the japanese states that dai kaioushin weakened buff boo correct, evil boo ate good boo, good boo still had the power restrictions in him, not to mention the narrator of the story even says that evil boo got the majority of fat boos powers, so when the evil side became dominant, super boo still had some restrictions, whereas kid boo doesnt have them, kid boo wasnt weaker, the nature of the kais are damaging they cant use their energy for what reason we dont know
kid buu being the evil makes him more damgerous not more powerful good buu only controled super buu's personallity to not hurt satan and he did the same with kid buu and kid buu was not weak super buu is less dangerous than kid buu kid buu being the evil means he is the most dangerous hence thats why he was stated to be the movst dangerous buu
@wiines64 Hey, we actually do know the reason why kaioushins can't add ki=power to Majin boo. It's because kaioushins are pure gods, which is in direct contrast with a pure demon. (Ma=Demon; jin=race; note that chibi=small/kid and shin=New)
i think southren kai made kid buu much stronger since he went buff and i dont understand what do you want to prove when you say shin=new and chibi=small/kid
shouldnt super buu being stronger than kid buu since he is the new buu i mean fat buu was weaker and less evil than kid buu but super buu might have surpassed kid buu in terms of strength but he is not as evil as kid buu come on its common sense
@pakl123456 furthermore kid boo is the strongest, why is this cause, they couldnt even use kai energy to revive him so south kaioushin making him stronger is an excuse to make super boo stronger, also upon the reverse transformation we see that buff boo is stronger, then turns to kid boo, you say he loses power he doesnt, its hidden away,the energy sphere shows kid boos strength but yet it is quickly forgotten by gokus statement which is a false indication
they couldn't use kai energy because theyw ere not strong enough dabura only said that since they were weak besides babaidi had no knowledge about buu there is no reaason dabura should know that as well when buu absorbs someone and he gets stronger his head tentacle got longer when he gets weaker his head tentacle gets shorter if you noticed so buff buu>>>kid buu southren kai made him a lot stronger
@wiines64 i have to say your the idiot people messed up dbz facts and fiction by saying the kais didnt make him stronger they only say this because of fat buu and yes chi can disappear in dbz its been happening sense the start i can give you examples if youd like super buu made huge undeflectable energy blasts multiple times and why do you idiots keep saying kid buu didnt use his full power? if thats the case yamcha didnt use his full power when the saibamen blew him up
@karutobi dude they couldnt use kaioushins energy and kibitos energy how is this not clear and even if it did make them stronger south kaioushin is not even that powerful to begin im pretty sure cell is stronger than all of them, heck i would even say ssj gohan boo arc is even stronger without even training for 7 years south kaioushin i would put him at piccolos level there is no way south kaioushin could make kid boo that strong
he could of made him smuch stronger since he went buff just like cell when someone goes buff he gets a lot stronger the daizenshuu even says he got a lot stronger but i dont count the daizenshuu
the goodness thing applied for fat buu and i know kid buu is evil itself but again it only makes him the dangerous not the strongest kid buu was shown exahusted watch the manga and he was exahusted watch his shape he has infinite stanima since he can regenerate thats why he regenerated after he fired the kamehameha at goku
@pakl123456 the 'goodness thing' applies for Majin Boo in general. In case you forgot fat boo and new boo and kid boo are all forms of Majin Boo. In his fat form, Majin boo is only partially evil.
In his New form, Majin boo overcame most of the Kaioshin influence, making him evil (his personality is completely evil).
In his 'kid' form Majin boo has ZERO kaioshin influence, no soul, making him pure evilness.
Just accept that it is STATED Dai kaioshin goodness decreases boo's power!
you said it DAI KAIOSHIN made him weaker yet i dont think dai kaioshin was at super buu the only one who was there was southren kai and he had no influence on kid buu when fat buu got mad he splited which means evil buu broke dai kaio's influence besides kid buu is the damgerous one kid buu has no kais makes him more dangerous thats why he was stated to be the most dangerous buu if he was stronger why was not he stated to be the strongest buu? god buu holds super buu back making him
@pakl123456 Shin boo was the one who overcame dai kaioshin influence, NOT the skinny evil boo. Evil boo is the embodiment of fat boo's evil side (who he had vs dabra, majin vegeta, SSJ3 goku...)
The manga STATES fat boo seperates in 2 opposite personalities with fat boo divinding his PL in evil boo's and mr boo's PLs.
The manga STATES that not being pure evilness anymore (due to absorbing goodness) decreased boo's power! Just accept the statement
but the manga states evil buu is buu's evil whcih means evil buu is pure evil evil doesnt have influence is he the strongest? but note they only mentioned fat buu which means fat buu is weaker than kid buu not super buu since fat buu's influecne was diffrent from super buu's the dai kaio was able to do all of those things and you are the one who said shin buu was the one who overcame dai kaio so shouldn't super buu being stronger than kid buu but less dangerous?
@pakl123456 the manga states evil boo having only hatred inside him; he's the embodiment of fat boo's evil side. When evil eats mr boo, the 2 halves reunite and majin boo is transformed into a new boo where evil is dominate.
THAT'S why shin boo is more powerful than fat boo. Now this is common sense.
Thus we know shin boo is even more powerful than fat boo was, due to being evil his ki=power is stronger.
Well, kid boo is purest evil so kid>shin boo. Kibitoshin confirms this!!
no its stupid since kibito shin stated kid buu being the evil makes him the most dangerous buu and once again dai kaio only applied for fat buu so super buu can be stronger than kid buu but less dangerous
but it only applied for fat buu and you are the one who said super buu overcame dai kaio so doesnt it mean super buu is stronger than kid buu but less dangerous just because good buu held him back it doesnt mean he was weaker only less dangerous and the proof is when good buu held back kid buu kid buu was not weaker he was only less dangerous for a while since good buu stopped him
dai kiao was able to do that about fat buu yet who said it was the same about super buu you even said super buu overcame dai kaio so daai kaio had no influence on fat buu heonly gave him personallity he was able to make him less dangerous he was not able to make him weaker thats why i think super buu is stronger than kid buu in terms of power but less dangerous and buuhan is less evil than kid buu so he should be weaker as well super buu got much stronger as well so why dont you
fat buu is weaker since super buu is stronger yet it doesnt mean he is stronger since he was more evil he is stronger since he had more power gray buu himself is stronger than the suppressed fat buu goku fought thats why super buu is much stronger and once again gray buu is more evil than super buu and gray buu is weaker right? so this statement is not true at all once again super buu might be stronger tahn kid buu but less dangerous its why kid buu was stated to be the most dangerou
@pakl123456 again you apparently want to ignore what is STATED in the manga: it said that evil boo got the majority of fat boo's power. This is directly STATED....
It's a FACT that evil boo < Fat boo. Why? Because evil boo is the embodiment of fat boo's evil side. Evil boo is STATED to be a part of fat boo, so obviously it makes sense evil boo < Fat boo.
When the 2 halves (evil and mr boo) reunited, it resulted in a transformation: a new majin boo who is MORE EVIL then fat boo.
you dont understand what i mean lol i meant that evil buu>the fat buu who fought goku since fat buu was not at full power vs goku he was at full power when he splited lol evil buu is weaker than angry fat buu not from the calm fat buu who fought goku and evil buu owned good buu who is stronger than any ssj2 the fat buu who splitted was much stronger than the fat buu who fought goku
well yeah i know that but yet you say the more evil buu is the stronger he is as well and its not true since evil buu is more evil than super buu but weaker once agin being more evil makes you more damgerous thats why kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous not the strongest and kibito kai talked about fat buu not super buu you even said super buu overacam most of dai kaio and how do you know this "MOST" was not the ki? which means he surpassed kid buu in strength yet he was
once again you dont get my point do you? when super buu was created he overacame dai kaio the kai only had influenced his personallity not power the whole talk applied for fat buu not super buu it doesnt matter if evil buu is not a whole buu he is still more evil than super buu but he is weaker right? i mean super buu surpassed kid buu in strength since he overcame dai kaio who was only able to control his personallity but was able to make him still less dangerous and thats why kid
buu is the most dangerous not strongest the whole talk applied for fat buu and super buu overcomes most of dai kaio means that he surpassed kid buu in terms of power but he is still less dangerous and the main idea of kibito kai applied for fat buu evil buu has no influence and he is not the strongest
and once again beng more evil makes you more dangerous evil buu is more evil than super buu yet super buu>>evil buu so being evil makes you dangerous and i know what kibito kai meant he only said that dai kaio was able to make kid buu weaker since he made him more controllable but it only applied for fat buu not super buu no one influenced super buu's power
@pakl123456 Evil boo being weaker than fat boo is DIRECTLY stated, where's your proof that fat boo was highly suppressed vs SSJ3 goku? Where is this stated?
Evil boo is logically weaker than both fat boo and shin boo, he's only part of boo, he's NOT boo as a whole
yes he is fat buu was not at full power because he was not angry enough to unleash his full strength the angrier fat buu gest the stronger he is everyone knows that besides the fat buu who fought goku cant contain the power of good buu+evil buu when fat buu gives an evil look he gest stronger just like vs dabura when he gave this evil look he got stronger and gohan even said so and buu once again gave the same look at goku and angry fat buu>>>>>fat buu wh fought goku
@pakl123456 1) fat boo gave an evil look at SSJ3 goku just like vs dabra and vegeta
2) if fat boo was so suppressed and so much weaker than vs vegeta, then goku wouldn't even need SSJ3, since fat boo got ANGRY vs Majin vegeta
3) How in the hell can't you understand why evil boo << shin boo??? Evil boo is ONLY PART of boo as a whole. Didn't you bother reading my replies or are you just stupid?
when did i say evil buu is stronger than super buu? lol i never said that i only say that fat buu was at full power when he was about to split and evil buu is part of the angry fat buu not the calm one read my posts again and yeah fat buu got agry again when he fought goku so he got stronger if evil buu is part of the fat buu who had the same power he did when he fought goku so evil buu is equal or weaker than ssj2 goku does that make sense? no and good buu is above any ssj2
so you say fat buu who splited is equal to fat buu who fought goku this makes no snese at all and no when fat buu gets mad he gets stronger its a fact thats why when he got mad vs vegeta he got stronger lol the fat buu who fought goku cant contain the power of good buu+evil buu since good buu>any ssj2 and he was unable to lay a hit on evil buu according to your logic evil buu is equal to ssj2 goku and thats absourd fat buu got stronger hwen he was about to split
and once again being pure evil makes you more dangerous the same kibito ka sais kid buu is the most dangerous buu for god sake why didnt he say he is the most powerful? the whole talk applied for fat buu not super buu suer buu surpassed msot of the influence and this influence might be the strength and the little influence is the personallity which mmakes super buu less dangerous not wekaer no one controls super buu's power
@pakl123456 Euh yes boohan is less evil than kid boo, but he has fucking Mystic gohan absorbed which gave him a shitload of power, READ MY EARLIER REPLY!
Kibitoshin never said kid boo is only more dangerous, he stated that majin boo's power decreases as he gets less evil.
Since you tend to ignore this statement, I'll give it again:
Kibitoshin said that boo's power decreases as he gets less evil.
Shin boo is NOT pure evilness/evil itself, everyone knows that.
once again you say that the more evil buu is the stronger he is and according to kibito kai kid buu is the dangerous because he is more evil yeah i know what he said but how do you he didnt mean to fat buu only? after all super buu was never mentioned he is the new buu and gray buu is more evil than super buu and we know super buu>>>>>gray buu so this point is false and kid buu is the most dangerous buu when someone is more evil he is more dangerous not weaker everyone knows that
@pakl123456 Sigh, I said shin boo MOSTLY overcame Dai K's influence. You don't even bother to actually read my replies?
Want proof? Shin boo is NOT pure evilness. This is a FACT.
And stop quoting the stupid VIZ manga; in the Herms and Jap manga kibitoshin said "the goodness boo gained by absorption and that was decreasing his power, is now comletely gone. Now, he's once again PURE EVILNESS."
Kid boo > Shin boo. Just stop ignoring this statement
i am not ignoring it but yet this statement applied for fat buu fat buu was the only one who was mentioned and you said super buu overcame dai kaio i dont remember when you said most but anyway kid buu has no influence makes him the dangerous one you are the one who ignores the fact that kibito kai said kid buu is the most dangerous buu why didnt he say kid buu is the strongest you dont answer this quesyti
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kid buu is the strongest buu even stronger then buuhan because the suprime kai said himself that kid uu is the most evil and strongest buu and original buu and when goku was fighting kid buu before ssj3 goku said that his power and speed 2 times increased
ijsking1243 3 weeks ago
@TheOriginal700 So you believe that boo's power rises then drops back down without a spurce to what's causing that? You disagree even though the Japanese manga states that the goodness the kais gave boo through absorption that lowered his power had returned back to the way it was before?? U disagree with the fact that boo's power was rising once they removed the source of the kais from him
OWmyDragonballz 3 weeks ago
@OWmyDragonballz That means he disagrees with everything that's said in the manga.
Stormdragon26 1 week ago
I'm sorry but this is the only video I have to disagree on...
TheOriginal700 3 weeks ago
Uh-huh. Good job using fan-translated manga. The official manga states that, infact, Super Buu is stronger. Thanks for playing.
EndreVanan 3 weeks ago
The official manga? You mean Viz? Lol nice story bro..
Weskur 3 weeks ago
@EndreVanan no because the suprime kai said himself that kid buu is the most evil and strongest buu and goku even said himself that kid buu his power and speed 2 times increased
ijsking1243 3 weeks ago
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wrong supreme kai only said kid buu is the most dangerous buu not the strongest one and goku never said kid buu is twice stronger than before you are using the stupid english dub since goku never said that in the manga
pakl123456 2 weeks ago
@ijsking1243 supreme kai didnt say he was the strongest buu... he said he is more dangerous than any other forms of Buu, due to his full relentless evil and unpredictability and He is also completely free of restraint and has no trace of sanity, remember when super buu (gohan absorbed) thought he defeated vegito? he went around casually looking for food, if it was kid buu however the moment his opponent was defeated he wouldnt think twice about destroying the planet, making him dangerous
xvbrad101 1 week ago
@xvbrad101 That's not what supreme kai said, he said : yes...the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption[s] has returned back "to the way it was before", which means now that his pureevil heart isback,no kai influence is controlling his heart back from using his fullpotential. I put the [s] in because the Japanese language doesnt have a plural symbol.But its common sense that kid boo > super boo because his ki was growing when the kais left boo
OWmyDragonballz 1 week ago
@OWmyDragonballz
fake the manga never said S dai kao is the only one who weakened buu and being evil makes you dangerous
pakl123456 1 week ago
@xvbrad101 So yes kai did say that kid boo was the strongest nonfused boo at the most. because he said that the the heart that lowered his power through absorbing has "returned back", meaning that lowered power isnt holding him back anymore. The theory that kid boo is weaker doesn't apply when examining the fact that kaioshin states and the fact that there was absolutely nothing inside boo's body to give him power when the kai influence was torn out.
OWmyDragonballz 1 week ago
@OWmyDragonballz
good buu was torn out and that made kid buu unrestrained and lss dangerous good buu made super buu lss dangerous
pakl123456 1 week ago
@pakl123456 Coming from a hypocrite who literally never has any proof to back up his theories.
OWmyDragonballz 3 weeks ago
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lolololo i proved you wrong but you ignore me you stupid hypocrite and you are goint to do this again lol i proved your points are wrong so shut up
pakl123456 3 weeks ago
@FuckThaName Spoken like the true noob you are who acts like twat thinking assumptions > facts. "shot in the face". For providing official information ? Shot in the face over a cartoon?? Bitch please, grow up. All the words coming from you just translate to "I am gay, I make shit up to fit my interpretation"
OWmyDragonballz 3 weeks ago
Kid Buu is shown to be completely exhausted after he fires a kamehameha (which Goku confronts and survives btw which supports Goku being Kid Buu's equal)
Also in the prior me-lees Kid Buu is shown using his chocolate beam against Goku out of frustration Some people consider this a gag scene purely because Kid Buu and Goku are shown biting each other prior to the chocolate beam But Kid Buu biting Goku perfectly demonstrates his animality/rutlessness
1089vegito 4 weeks ago
Nope, Kid buu was not exhausted, we don't see him pant, etc. He had scratches? That does not mean he was exhausted. And the candy magic, as you said, it's a gag and shouldn't be used seriously. Akira stated his favorite fights were funny ones, that's why the Gotenks vs Super Buu fight was one of his favorites..
Weskur 3 weeks ago
Not because he wasn't already powered up previously; Chapter: 516 (DBZ 322), P8.2
Context: as Boo stops the Genki-Dama
Vegeta: “I didn’t pla-plan on this…! Kakarot doesn’t have the sta-stamina to fire that all-important Genki-Dama…!” Anyway the spirit bomb is stupid and full of inconsistencies such as Goten, Trunks, Gohan and Piccolo not fusing/going SSJ/not powering up so logically if the spirit bomb used raw Ki, It would have benefited more from powering up.
1089vegito 4 weeks ago
In dbz the greater the size of the spirit bomb, the more powerful it is.
So logically if the spirit bomb used raw power as such, the spirit bomb post Gohan and co should have been bigger than the spirit bomb on Namek vs Frieza right?...unless Frieza is stronger than Ultimate Gohan because he survived the spirit bomb on Namek? *chuckles*.
As for him not powering up untill the spirit bomb, the only reason he wasn't wiped out straight away by the spirit bomb was because Goku was too weak to push it
1089vegito 4 weeks ago
@1089vegito Non of the Buus were ever shown being completely destroyed by some of the most powerful ki attacks in the series. Vegetas Final explosion was useless on Fat Buu, and a full powered Kamehameha from Goku as a Ssj3 on Kid Buu before he was exhausted were all useless. The Spirit bomb probably would have been useless also if not for Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and the other Z-fighters power in it. And remember, Gohan doesn't have the go ssj anymore after getting his power unlocked.
LordMalice6d9 3 weeks ago
@FuckThaName "The two entered the Room of Spirit and Time, and hurriedly trained as Gotenks. As a result, Gotenks leveled up so much that his strength surpassed Vegeta and the others." - Daizenshuu 7. Yeah I stand by my case and I always will. Ssj gotenks was a massive gamble as stated by goku. An piccolo NEVER said ssj gotenks can beat fat boo. Infact he flew after him once more
OWmyDragonballz 4 weeks ago
@OWmyDragonballz
nope he was amazed about how strong ssj gotenks was and he never said he cant beat fat buu like he did when he saw base gotenks he was only worried since he had 1 minute to stay fused
pakl123456 4 weeks ago
@FuckThaName It's funny because it's hilarious how you are the true noob here for going off of assumptions and bullshit rather than using official word. Too bad your an ignorant jackass who needs to learn his facts you fucking noob XD
OWmyDragonballz 4 weeks ago
@OWmyDragonballz its actually hilarious how u are th true noob for mistaking bullshit for the offical word to bad u are a fucking idiot who should be shot on the face :)
FuckThaName 3 weeks ago
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yes this guy is an idiot
pakl123456 3 weeks ago
@pakl123456 You're scraping from the bottom of the barrel and you are on your last leg, I am done with you. Official word >> pakl's word
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
yep you are defentely an idiot iok man if you dont want to listen dont do it yet the anime is official and it says kid buu>buhan in the anime kid buu can talk and thats impossible since the manga states he has no personallity which means the OFFICIAL anime contradicts the manga am i wrong about that as well? games are also official and they are full of shits and the daizenshuu never said goku>gohan you lied when you said the daizenshuu states ssj vegit only surpassed ssj3 goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
if you are so right why dont you answer me? why do you ignore the proof that i showed about the daiz being wrong about many things? you are clearly biased
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 the fact is pakl who is not biased in these arguments? i myself am biased thats cause i chose to be on this matter of which boo is stronger but the real fact is though everyone is biased, even an unbiased person shows biased by not presenting all facts on either side or leaving out something info that is critical it could be mistake or it could be on purpose but no one is unbiased
wiines64 1 month ago
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being confuesd or not so sure about which buu is stronger is diffrent than saying ssj3 goku is stronger than mystic gohan and gotenks even though the manga proves gotenks and gohan sre FAR stronger than goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz to bad its not Offical
FuckThaName 4 weeks ago
@karutobi Hey just wanted to let you know that is a fanmade interview from a non existent magazine called super otaku. Toriyama never actually said any of that. Plus it contradicts the daizenshuus.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
the daizenshuu contradicts the manga imao
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 You contradict the manga, the daizenshuu's are legit and they completely own your little theoretical claims. Good luck fighting against what the creator states about them. You're indenial, that much is obvious.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
i am in denial? according to you most of dbz fans are in denial because most of them say the daizenshuu is wrong the daizenshuu contradicted toriyama manyy times for example the daizenshuu states gohan was a ssj2 vs dabura and toriyama stated he only went ssj2 vs kibito and the manga proves so as well the manga states raditz's power level was 1,200 and the daizenshuu says he was 1,500 the daizenshuu contradicts itself since it says raditz is 1,500 and equal to saibaiman but
pakl123456 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
the daizenshuu states saibaiman is 1,200 so 1500=1,200? the daizenshuu contradicts itself and there are many other bullshit that the daizenshuu cllaims the daiz is legit? the games are also legit the anime is also legit yet the anime states kid buu>buuhan anime is not equal to manga you are the one who is in denial if you think toriyama read every single line in the daiz
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 I'm done with you -_-
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz Enough of your nonsense. You constantly make no sense and lack context. You like to fight against what the creator himself intends and that is the definition of a true fanboy like yourself. The Daizenshuu's make the same message to the manga, it makes the message more clear, how can you not see the fact that ssj gotenks is weaker than majin vegeta? you're such a retard. He was a nasty gamble and that's what the daizenshuu's are saying.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
fale you are lying first goku stated its a risky ganble not nasty stop making shits up if you would have listened to me you would have known my point and you are the one who lack context just like your idiotical points if ssj gotenks is weaker than magin vegeta so i guess ssj gotenks>ssj goku so if thats true so ssj3 gotenks>ssj3 goku besides the daiz states gotenks surpassed vegeta and the others and gohan surpassed gotenks then vegito is stronger than the ssj3 form goku wasnt
pakl123456 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
even mentioned piccolo was surprised by how strong gortenks was so ssj gotenks>ssj goku and logically ssj3 gotenks>ssj3 goku if you are done with me why did you reply me? and why cant you just listen? lol i am trying to explain you but you just cant understand lol the manga proves gotenks>>>goku stop arguing aginst that
pakl123456 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz lol ssj gotenks is not weaker then majin vegeta u fucking noob
FuckThaName 4 weeks ago
@pakl123456 So the daizenshuu's (a description of the manga that restates what the manga has already established) contradicts the manga? You're a bigger idiot than I thought. The only thing that contradicts the manga is you pakl and that's a fact.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
yep sure the man who says movies are canon imao you are the idiot here hoe can movies being canon if it was not made by toriyama? shut up the fans know you are a dumb and just because toriyama approved the daiz doesnt mean everything is true the daizenshuu contrzdicts the manga since it has flwas and the daizenshuu claims false information which contradict the manga and i have already showed you some its funny since i keep showing how idiot you are and your rediculous points lol
pakl123456 1 month ago
@wiines64 hey its me again i was going to end this but i came across an interview giving evidence super buu was stronger. google akira toriyama interview by nirazaki tihashiberi it was done before gotenks learned ss3 he says gotenks was stronger than goku by a little note this meant ssj gotenks when gotenks in ss attacks super buu he cant hurt him. but when ss3 goku attacks kid buu he is actually able to do some damage but not really.
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi i get it but the thing is though villians are always doomed to repeat the same mistake which is lollygag before really finishing off the hero
look at frieza he himself easily had the power to destroy all the fighters on namek, he wanst even using 50% of energy when facing goku, yet he lollygagged and died for it
look at cell he himself easily had the power to destroy everyone on planet on earth, he was faster and stronger than gohan, yet the same mistake he didnt get to the
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi point and blow up the z fighters when he had the chance before gohan turned ssj2
look at super boo he fought at full strength and lost to gotenks ssj3, he didnt get to the point and kill gotenks before they went ssj3 thats the only difference super fought at full strength but yet he still lollygagged
look at kid boo are seriously to believe that is his full strength?
now if your following me you probably will see my pattern kid boo lollygagged and paid the price with his life
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi also with the damage to hurt kid boo, im not debating this but for 1 kid boo has infinite stamina and second there is a theory that my friend told me of that goku is able to hurt kid boo, cause goku is stronger than gohan, not debating just pointing the theory out in why might akira actually say goku was able to hurt kid boo
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 i doubt goku actually hurt buu physically i think the majins recover from damage the only way to kill them is to destroy them completely. ss3 gotenks didnt hurt super buu he beat him up but he was only hurt mentally because he was stronger than him and goku is not stronger than gohan until gt theres hard facts prooving this
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi oh by the way ignore my statement on the other video i didnt realize that your comment was awhile ago so my bad
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi dude i know i was just pointing it out that theory i never said it was like law that goku was stronger just pointing it out what my friend stated on why akira MIGHT say that, anyways im pretty sure that is right you really cant hurt majin boo just kill him basically, but gotenks was hurting boo, not his body but more of his ego, and 10 years later is still z cause they dont end it until they get to the next tournament where they see uub, that goku is stronger than gohan
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 the kai i meant
karutobi 1 month ago
@wiines64 the only thing i believe kid buu has on super buu is speed and wildness. and why was goku scared to fight buu with the help of vegeta and when he was about to fight buutenks he went ss3 in like 2 seconds but everyother time it took him a few minutes. ss3 isnt as easy for goku to control because it drains his stamina as if he wasnt supposed to achive it yet like the trancended ss
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi i think it was response cause he knew he had to go right away and react instantly, whereas kid boo and fat boo had waited until he fully transformed, but the first time with fat boo all the ssj levels get a dramatic few scenes, first time going ssj with goku, same with gohan except ssj2 and ssj3, i know ssj3 drains his power, its not exactly stamina but overall power and strength which i guess is stamina, but i mean he could only achieve it for 2-5 mins before fatigue hit him
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi but my point still stands are we seriously going to believe that is kid boos full strength now? i mean why build up for it right? think about he builds up this crazy confusing story on why boo landed there and how he got fat, then end it with him being weaker how may i ask? it doesnt make sense
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 in dbz gods are just regular people with pure hearts and are strong if pure hearts negativly effect him why did gohan and goten not? something else i found weird but goten and trunks should be stronger than piccollo why did he change back into piccollo instead of trunks since trunks was stronger than goten. cant say how weak gohan had gotten by the end but he should be able to go on par with goku still sbuu was pure evil but the majin didnt effect him
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi yeh but the fact is they are not regular people though are they, there is too much evidence against using kais to strengthen buu, but the fact is they cant use their energy to revive him, the potara earings are the fusion of the gods, when turned into candy it only words half way, and the potara fusion ended in boo's body but yet the metamorran fusion didnt end, they are all kai related, gods and demons dont mix that point alone can debunk south kaioushin strengthening boo
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 well why didnt piccollo being an ex god effect him? he was still stronger than super buu all the kais seem to be master martial artists with pure hearts and were rewarded for it the only kai that was really a kai was the grand kai he wasnt ever shown but was mentioned
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi your over analyzing the whole kami thing, that is simply more of a title not an actual deity, on the other hand kais are actual gods though, the grand kai doesnt really have a story at all
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 well i dont believe the kais have a large race of people and old kai got corrupted after fusing with a witch so everyone after him should be corrupted to
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi actually what ended up happening is that after he fused he was basically trapped inside the sword preventing future kais from being corrupted
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 actually he said many years later a brave warrior fought him because he was scared of his potential unlocking power (probably didnt want anyone to be stronger than himself)
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi Goten and Gohan are kind hearted people, but neither of them are truly PURE of heart or pure good. Remember how ruthless and wreckless Gohan became when he turned SSj2 against Cell. Gohan may have a kind nature, but even he is susceptible to the ruthless warroir nature that the saiyans have. Only Dai Kaiou was ever said to be pure good.
LordMalice6d9 1 month ago
@LordMalice6d9 gohan goten and goku could all still ride nimbus and only the pure hearted can ride him gohan didnt become ruthless he did become reckless though but goku was still able to ride nimbus after slaughtering king piccollos minions and king piccollo himself and if you believe nimbus doesnt allow non pure hearts then your being ignorant i dont believe master roshi had even rode it because he was a pervert even as a teen
karutobi 4 weeks ago
@karutobi ALL saiyans have a ruthless side to them and a desire for a good fight. Why should Gohan, Trunks and Goten be any different just because they are half saiyan?
Besides, Dia Kaiouh is a God, Kid Buu is a pure evil demon. they are both supernatural beings. What happens when a God of pure and kind heart merges with a being of pure evil? They cancel each other out. Fat Buu was niether comepletely evil nor good.
LordMalice6d9 3 weeks ago
@ryuhayabu1 I know I was implying that goten didn't weaken buu once the fusion time ran out. Goten could ride kintoun.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1 Lol but with that logic. Base Gohan would make boo weaker of he absorbed base Gohan. It's safe to say that any form of ssj can ride kinto un because they aren't evil. They are fighting away villains to protect people
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz Piccolo said mystic gohan was entirely different in character. Boo absorbed mystic gohan, not base gohan. But anyway I agree and I know the kaioshins can't add ki to a demon. It's common sense.
However, everyone knows a SSJ doesn't have a pure heart, nor has piccolo nor mystic gohan. They can't ride kintoun as that requires a pure heart. Any SSJ (except FPSSJ) has anger in his heart
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1 what exactly is kintoun?
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 it's the original Japanese name for the flying yellow cloud goku rode on while he was a kid. :p
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1 @ryuhayabu1 Then explain why he could ride kinto un? Only a person with a pure heart can. None of the kais are compatible with boo. They are gods.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz Base gohan before elder kaioshin can ride the kintoun
Mystic gohan or a SSJ2 or SSJ3 can't ride the kintoun
Yeah I know the kaioshins aren't compatible with boo, they're gods :P
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1 Well goodness doesn't necessarily decrease boo's power. I mean Gohan was pure of heart when he got absorbed (a person who can ride kinto un), boo's power didn't decrease at all. But dai Kai oshin did because he is a Kai himself. Kais are not compatible with boo.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz It was kaioshin goodness and more specific Dai kaioshin (the purest god) who decreased MAjin boo's power.
Mystic gohan isn't pure hearted anyway, he's entirely different than his former base form (in both ki and character) noted by piccolo.
And it should be well known that in any SSJ form (except maybe FPSSJ) a saiyajin is not pure hearted as well...
SSJ3 gotenks and Mystic gohan are definitely not pure of heart!
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@wiines64 one last thing though.. kid buu and super buu had different brains..right? when they unfused and super buu got eliminated with all his past knowledge becoming nothing because he wasnt supposed to exist how could buu supress his chi after powering up? he could only have learned this from gohan but then again all of the things kid buu learned is from what he sees he never knew gohan
karutobi 1 month ago
@wiines64 how about we agree to disagree i think theres no real way of telling who was actually stronger there isnt enough facts on either side truth is akira toriyama got a bit lazy at the end in some ways more than others the dubs in both jap and eng added things that the characters never did or said the japanese groups put theyre speculations in and people see them as fact the only way of knowing whos stronger is if akira said so
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi well i wouldnt say different brains considering the fact that when vegeta was about to pull good boo out from the pod, super boo was afraid and says basically i wont be me anymore so super knows about his original prime state or his pure state which is kid boo, so saying they have different brains is a little off, its more of the fact that its personality since super boo can speak and kid boo can not
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi energy can only be gained never lost unless forcefully taken i.e. cell with the loss of andriod 18 but there is alwasy an exception, with the destruction of ki blasts and ki based attacks it is merely dispersed, kid boo or chibi boo cant lose energy
chibi=pure in the japanese manga they refer to kid boo as chibi or pure, why would they name him pure? cause he himself is the pure majin boo, every other form doesnt even exist technically speaking the kais dont make him stronger
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 ok goku going from super saiyan to regular.. bam all that chi is gone unless he goes super saiyan again vegeto being unfused bam what happened all that chi disapeard. super buu defusing with buff kai? bam all that chi is gone and the two of them start laughing at him people say kid buu is stronger because he was crazy and laughs theres no evidence he was toying with goku he tried killing them as soon as he transformed in the fight hes actually trying
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi vegeto is practically vegeta mulitplied by gokus strength, ssj thats just your heightened abilities, this is where the fail part comes in yes he is toying with them upon the reverse transformation goku confirms that his energy is growing which is chibi boos pure and natural energy essentially he is feeding off his own ki, this debunks anything super boo has, you cant lose energy it merely transforms into another state or it becomes potential energy
wiines64 1 month ago
@karutobi also its not possible for energy to disappear it can never the only time it does is when people either A) people hide their power level B) they are near death or C) in contexts people are not searching for ki cause they are in the battle fighting their opponents this debunks anything you have to say about energy disappearing its not possible, even if its fiction energy is niether created nor destroyed merely transformed, with the creation of boo, he himself yes his power was gathered
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 This video is reeked with Gohan/Super boo diarrhea. There are those who have or don't have context. And you yourself are providing direct proof whereas these other guys lack that to fit their interpretations.
OWmyDragonballz 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz yeh i get what you mean you should see ninjamasterbro he tries to corrupt every point to make his interpretation true, there is just no proof to actually say that super boo is stronger there is none, the best way to get the best info is to learn japanese and to interpret it your own way
wiines64 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz and what i dont get is that why is that every video trying to prove kid boo>super boo everyone is trying to prove each other wrong but when you see a super boo>kid boo video everyone is in agreement, then when it goes to a gohan>kid boo thats when all people who agree with kid boo are actually there and try to argue
wiines64 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz listen to what ryuhayabu1 says he is knowledgable knows what he is talking about and has been learning japanese and he confirms that pawaa=power and it was used in the dai kaioushin absorbtion, nothing about south but i mean theres too much evidence against using south kaioushin for power, in multiple interpretations it says that kibitoshin: "he would go so far as to lower his power through absorbtions..." is what the herms manga states
wiines64 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz not only that but i mean they couldnt use kibitos energy or the kaioushins energy to revive boo, if thats not evidence of proving people wrong then go to the reverse transformation, his power his rising note: there is no kaioushins or anyone in his body which means he is feeding off his own power
the reason why everyone thinks that kid boo is on par with goku ssj3 is cause of exhaustion and it appears that they have an even fight
wiines64 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz fight not to mention that goku never says anything about ki, yet he does though just very obscurely such as small statements in this video, of check out what djinn guru thinks its 3 videos long about the interpretation of majin boo and everything about him also djinn guru got most of his facts from ryuhayabu1 which stated in the videos check them out whenever you can
wiines64 1 month ago
@OWmyDragonballz
hmmm this video agrees abou super buu gohan and gotenks being stronger than goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@DragonBallFight
in the manga kid buu barely pushed back the spirit bomb and the only reason he was able to do that is because goku had no power to push the attack yet when goku's powers were back he easily beat kid buu by using one arm and the spirit bomb only takes some of your power the spirit bomb doesnt use raw power if the ki was important so goten and trunks would have fused but they never even went ssj so the spirit bomb obviously doesnt use raw power and gohan is the strongest unfused
1320goku 1 month ago
@DragonBallFights
super buu doesnt have kai influence evil buu is pure evil without any influence good buu is a regular buu and he only holds back super buu to not hurt satan but its not kai influence its good buu who makes super buu less dangerous and good buu did the same with kid buu unless you think kid buu also had kai influence super buu is more powerful than kid buu but he is less dangerous than him the whole point of kid buu's absorptions was to make him less dangerous
1320goku 1 month ago
@1320goku the japanese manga states he lost power with the absorbtion of dai kaioushin, and with this fat boo isnt nearly as strong, super boo is stronger cause the more evil side is dominant also has a body more suited toward fighting, fat boo has influence which is why he is not as strong as super or kid boo, the difference between super and kid boo is that once again evil side was dominant over good boo, where as kid boo is evil itself
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
i know he got weaker but i meant that the main point was to make him less dangerous thats why kid buu was sated to be the most dangerous buu and not the strongest one isuper buu is stronger than kid buu he surpassed him in terms of powerr yet he would never been able to be as dangerous as kid buu since kid buu is evil itself and goot buu makes super buu less dangerous than kis buu yet super buu is far stronger
1320goku 1 month ago
@1320goku the less dangerous part is true they clamed him and dai kaioushin made boo lose power, however the most dangerous part is bull, everyone is dangerous, frieza blew up a planet does that make him more dangerous, super boo wiped out the entire population with a single attack how is this not dangerous?, kid boo dangerous yes he is but super boo is fully capable of blowing shit up too, i mean c'mon cell tried twice to blow up the planet, so the whole dangerous part is bull
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
no the kai meant kid buu is the dangerous since he is unrestrained he attacks without thinking as note h even blew himself up in order to bust the planet thats why he is the most dangerous not the strongest
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Since he's unrestrained unlike the other Buus that means Kid Buu is strongest, if they are restrained then they are weaker.
Stormdragon26 4 weeks ago
@Stormdragon26 no boohan & bootenks are the strongest it doesnt matter if they are restrained
FuckThaName 4 weeks ago
@FuckThaName I was talking about between base forms dumbass of course Super Buu's absorptions are stronger than Kid Buu.
Stormdragon26 1 week ago
@Stormdragon26 well too bad super boo is not a base form and evil boo is the baseform dumbass and why the fuck didnt u say so
FuckThaName 1 week ago
@FuckThaName Super Buu is base form dumbass. Wow you are retarded.
Stormdragon26 6 days ago
@Stormdragon26 then why does Evil Boo need to absorb Good Boo to get to that form? How the fuck does that make it a base form dont go around calling people retards you fucking idiot.
RuthIessRecords 15 hours ago
@Stormdragon26
that doesnt really mean kid buu>super buu kid buu being unrestrained makes him dangerous
pakl123456 4 weeks ago
@pakl123456 Being unrestrained makes him stronger just like Frieza having all these different forms, his first form restrained a lot of his power and got stronger every time he transform and when he was at his final form which was strongest Frieza was completely unrestrained. Since Kid Buu is unrestrained and Super Buu isn't that means Kid Buu is stronger.
Stormdragon26 1 week ago
@Stormdragon26
lol no being unrestrained makes you dangerous not weaker besides super buu is less dangerous than kid buu being more dangerous makes you stronger?
pakl123456 1 week ago
@pakl123456 yeh actually thats what unrestrained means that you have all power available, super boo was never stated that he was unrestrained, fat boo was, evil boo is apart of that and so is super boo, where as kid boo is not restraint by emotions or by dai k
wiines64 1 week ago
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@wiines64
hmm gray buu is cearly evil withot influence and evil buu is more evil and dangerous than super buu so evil buu is stronger than super buu?
pakl123456 1 week ago
@pakl123456 Being unrestrained makes you stronger when you're restrained then you're weaker. Super Buu is restrained and Kid Buu is all unrestrained so Kid Buu is stronger.
Stormdragon26 1 week ago
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@Stormdragon26
no kid buu is unrestrained since he attacks without thinking so it makes him ore dangerous as stated in the manga but gray buu is unrestrained without influence and he is not the strongest
pakl123456 1 week ago
@wiines64
no kid buu being evil doesnt make him stronger it makes him more dangerous good buu only controled super bu to not hurt satan and he did the same with kid buu so was kid buu weak when good buu stopped him to not hurt satan? no
pakl123456 1 month ago
Super Buu isn't even a un-fused character idiot.
GTAwesomeIV 1 month ago
@GTAwesomeIV
thats true since super buu was kinf of fusion
pakl123456 1 month ago
also this notice kid buu didnt power up shit was dug out your ass i believe non of the buus can power up at all because they were made from magic they only have chi from those who awakened them with it because no where in the show or manga do you see any of the buus power up even when being utterly dominated
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi then i have to say your an idiot for not remembering the part where it states that buff boos power is rising, then turns into kid boo, his power cant disappear so its hidden away, not to mention there are no kais, or good boo, he is purely feeding off his own power we dont see him become stronger cause it wasnt necessary for kid boo to use all his strength, the energy sphere kid boo made was from his own energy it barely took anything to make it that huge
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
buu got weaker when he went kdi buu and good buu made super buu less dangerous not weaker good buu was removed and that made kid buu the dangerous
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 dude the japanese states that dai kaioushin weakened buff boo correct, evil boo ate good boo, good boo still had the power restrictions in him, not to mention the narrator of the story even says that evil boo got the majority of fat boos powers, so when the evil side became dominant, super boo still had some restrictions, whereas kid boo doesnt have them, kid boo wasnt weaker, the nature of the kais are damaging they cant use their energy for what reason we dont know
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
kid buu being the evil makes him more damgerous not more powerful good buu only controled super buu's personallity to not hurt satan and he did the same with kid buu and kid buu was not weak super buu is less dangerous than kid buu kid buu being the evil means he is the most dangerous hence thats why he was stated to be the movst dangerous buu
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 oh btw i see you took my advice when changing your policy so people cant see where you have been commenting and so they cant spam you
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64 Hey, we actually do know the reason why kaioushins can't add ki=power to Majin boo. It's because kaioushins are pure gods, which is in direct contrast with a pure demon. (Ma=Demon; jin=race; note that chibi=small/kid and shin=New)
It's common sense really :P
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
i think southren kai made kid buu much stronger since he went buff and i dont understand what do you want to prove when you say shin=new and chibi=small/kid
shouldnt super buu being stronger than kid buu since he is the new buu i mean fat buu was weaker and less evil than kid buu but super buu might have surpassed kid buu in terms of strength but he is not as evil as kid buu come on its common sense
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 no what is common sense is that shin boo is evil but not evil itself like kid boo, because shin boo still has a soul, a personality.
Kid boo is an entity wich lacks a soul and a personality completely: evil itself!
How would shin boo be stronger than kid boo? We know kaioshin ki=power CANNOT be added to boo. (Pure gods in contrast to a demon)
Kid boo changed in appearence due to absorption, he did NOT transform like cell did! South K didn't add any ki to kid boo...
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@pakl123456 furthermore kid boo is the strongest, why is this cause, they couldnt even use kai energy to revive him so south kaioushin making him stronger is an excuse to make super boo stronger, also upon the reverse transformation we see that buff boo is stronger, then turns to kid boo, you say he loses power he doesnt, its hidden away,the energy sphere shows kid boos strength but yet it is quickly forgotten by gokus statement which is a false indication
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
they couldn't use kai energy because theyw ere not strong enough dabura only said that since they were weak besides babaidi had no knowledge about buu there is no reaason dabura should know that as well when buu absorbs someone and he gets stronger his head tentacle got longer when he gets weaker his head tentacle gets shorter if you noticed so buff buu>>>kid buu southren kai made him a lot stronger
pakl123456 1 month ago
@wiines64 i have to say your the idiot people messed up dbz facts and fiction by saying the kais didnt make him stronger they only say this because of fat buu and yes chi can disappear in dbz its been happening sense the start i can give you examples if youd like super buu made huge undeflectable energy blasts multiple times and why do you idiots keep saying kid buu didnt use his full power? if thats the case yamcha didnt use his full power when the saibamen blew him up
karutobi 1 month ago
@karutobi dude they couldnt use kaioushins energy and kibitos energy how is this not clear and even if it did make them stronger south kaioushin is not even that powerful to begin im pretty sure cell is stronger than all of them, heck i would even say ssj gohan boo arc is even stronger without even training for 7 years south kaioushin i would put him at piccolos level there is no way south kaioushin could make kid boo that strong
wiines64 1 month ago
@wiines64
he could of made him smuch stronger since he went buff just like cell when someone goes buff he gets a lot stronger the daizenshuu even says he got a lot stronger but i dont count the daizenshuu
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 a) kid boo's ki did NOT change when absorbing south kaioshin, only his appearence changed. It's all about the ki=power in DBZ
b) kid boo was NEVER shown exhausted after firing his kamehameha
c) mr boo did not 'control' shin boo lol, shin boo still has a soul and a personality and can't kill satan. He's not evil itself, only kid boo is
d) The Jap, Herms and Dutch mangas ALL confirm that goodness decreases boo's power!!! It's the reason why shin boo > Fat boo ...
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
the goodness thing applied for fat buu and i know kid buu is evil itself but again it only makes him the dangerous not the strongest kid buu was shown exahusted watch the manga and he was exahusted watch his shape he has infinite stanima since he can regenerate thats why he regenerated after he fired the kamehameha at goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 the 'goodness thing' applies for Majin Boo in general. In case you forgot fat boo and new boo and kid boo are all forms of Majin Boo. In his fat form, Majin boo is only partially evil.
In his New form, Majin boo overcame most of the Kaioshin influence, making him evil (his personality is completely evil).
In his 'kid' form Majin boo has ZERO kaioshin influence, no soul, making him pure evilness.
Just accept that it is STATED Dai kaioshin goodness decreases boo's power!
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
you said it DAI KAIOSHIN made him weaker yet i dont think dai kaioshin was at super buu the only one who was there was southren kai and he had no influence on kid buu when fat buu got mad he splited which means evil buu broke dai kaio's influence besides kid buu is the damgerous one kid buu has no kais makes him more dangerous thats why he was stated to be the most dangerous buu if he was stronger why was not he stated to be the strongest buu? god buu holds super buu back making him
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Shin boo was the one who overcame dai kaioshin influence, NOT the skinny evil boo. Evil boo is the embodiment of fat boo's evil side (who he had vs dabra, majin vegeta, SSJ3 goku...)
The manga STATES fat boo seperates in 2 opposite personalities with fat boo divinding his PL in evil boo's and mr boo's PLs.
The manga STATES that not being pure evilness anymore (due to absorbing goodness) decreased boo's power! Just accept the statement
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
but the manga states evil buu is buu's evil whcih means evil buu is pure evil evil doesnt have influence is he the strongest? but note they only mentioned fat buu which means fat buu is weaker than kid buu not super buu since fat buu's influecne was diffrent from super buu's the dai kaio was able to do all of those things and you are the one who said shin buu was the one who overcame dai kaio so shouldn't super buu being stronger than kid buu but less dangerous?
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 the manga states evil boo having only hatred inside him; he's the embodiment of fat boo's evil side. When evil eats mr boo, the 2 halves reunite and majin boo is transformed into a new boo where evil is dominate.
THAT'S why shin boo is more powerful than fat boo. Now this is common sense.
Thus we know shin boo is even more powerful than fat boo was, due to being evil his ki=power is stronger.
Well, kid boo is purest evil so kid>shin boo. Kibitoshin confirms this!!
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
no its stupid since kibito shin stated kid buu being the evil makes him the most dangerous buu and once again dai kaio only applied for fat buu so super buu can be stronger than kid buu but less dangerous
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Cont: Kid Boo zero Dai K influence, so kid boo's Power isn't reduced at all!!
The fact that new=shin boo still has a personality makes him not pure evil/evil itself like kid boo is. That's just common sense.
The manga states that Dai K's goodness decreases boo's power so new majin boo (evil) CAN'T be stronger than kid Majin Boo (pure evilness)
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
but it only applied for fat buu and you are the one who said super buu overcame dai kaio so doesnt it mean super buu is stronger than kid buu but less dangerous just because good buu held him back it doesnt mean he was weaker only less dangerous and the proof is when good buu held back kid buu kid buu was not weaker he was only less dangerous for a while since good buu stopped him
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 and for crying out loud, according to you my logic is kid boo > Boohan???
Lol, shin boo absorbed mystic gohan which gave boo a SHITLOAD more power.
So of course super boo gohan is far stronger than either shin boo or kid boo.
Just throw away your VIZ manga, and read either the Herms manga, the dutch manga or the original Jap manga.
There, you will see kibitoshin STATING that the (dai) kaioshin goodness made Majin boo less powerful by making him less evil!
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
dai kiao was able to do that about fat buu yet who said it was the same about super buu you even said super buu overcame dai kaio so daai kaio had no influence on fat buu heonly gave him personallity he was able to make him less dangerous he was not able to make him weaker thats why i think super buu is stronger than kid buu in terms of power but less dangerous and buuhan is less evil than kid buu so he should be weaker as well super buu got much stronger as well so why dont you
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 We even know that kaioshinn ki can't be added to boo's ki.
And even IF they could add power, they are too weak to even give a noticeable amount of ki=powr to boo.
The smallest child can understand that it is impossible for shin boo to be stronger than kid boo.
Oh, and what's more, it's actually stated that boo loses power as he gets less evil lol...
Between fat boo and shin boo, who is the weakest? Right, fat boo, the one who's less evil.....
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
fat buu is weaker since super buu is stronger yet it doesnt mean he is stronger since he was more evil he is stronger since he had more power gray buu himself is stronger than the suppressed fat buu goku fought thats why super buu is much stronger and once again gray buu is more evil than super buu and gray buu is weaker right? so this statement is not true at all once again super buu might be stronger tahn kid buu but less dangerous its why kid buu was stated to be the most dangerou
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 again you apparently want to ignore what is STATED in the manga: it said that evil boo got the majority of fat boo's power. This is directly STATED....
It's a FACT that evil boo < Fat boo. Why? Because evil boo is the embodiment of fat boo's evil side. Evil boo is STATED to be a part of fat boo, so obviously it makes sense evil boo < Fat boo.
When the 2 halves (evil and mr boo) reunited, it resulted in a transformation: a new majin boo who is MORE EVIL then fat boo.
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
you dont understand what i mean lol i meant that evil buu>the fat buu who fought goku since fat buu was not at full power vs goku he was at full power when he splited lol evil buu is weaker than angry fat buu not from the calm fat buu who fought goku and evil buu owned good buu who is stronger than any ssj2 the fat buu who splitted was much stronger than the fat buu who fought goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Look,
We're going by DIRECT statements here, and it's common sense why shin boo is stronger when comparing him to fat boo:
Shin boo is more evil and stronger than fat boo! C'mon evil boo is PART of boo, not boo as a whole. ThAT's why shin boo >> evil boo
We have evil boo<fat boo<shin boo
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
well yeah i know that but yet you say the more evil buu is the stronger he is as well and its not true since evil buu is more evil than super buu but weaker once agin being more evil makes you more damgerous thats why kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous not the strongest and kibito kai talked about fat buu not super buu you even said super buu overacam most of dai kaio and how do you know this "MOST" was not the ki? which means he surpassed kid buu in strength yet he was
pakl123456 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
still less dangerous than him and thats why kid buu was stated to be the most dangerous one not the strongest come on its common sense
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 ?? How is ignoring what is stated in the manga common sense?
For the LAST time: kibitoshin did NOT say, and NEVER said kid boo is only the most dangerous boo.
He said kid boo was the strongest of the BASE boo's by DIRECTLY saying that Dai K decreases boo's power.
ONLY kid boo has ZERO dai K influence, making him PURE evilness!!
(By base boo's I mean fat, shin and kid boo obviously...)
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
once again you dont get my point do you? when super buu was created he overacame dai kaio the kai only had influenced his personallity not power the whole talk applied for fat buu not super buu it doesnt matter if evil buu is not a whole buu he is still more evil than super buu but he is weaker right? i mean super buu surpassed kid buu in strength since he overcame dai kaio who was only able to control his personallity but was able to make him still less dangerous and thats why kid
pakl123456 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
buu is the most dangerous not strongest the whole talk applied for fat buu and super buu overcomes most of dai kaio means that he surpassed kid buu in terms of power but he is still less dangerous and the main idea of kibito kai applied for fat buu evil buu has no influence and he is not the strongest
pakl123456 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
and once again beng more evil makes you more dangerous evil buu is more evil than super buu yet super buu>>evil buu so being evil makes you dangerous and i know what kibito kai meant he only said that dai kaio was able to make kid buu weaker since he made him more controllable but it only applied for fat buu not super buu no one influenced super buu's power
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Evil boo being weaker than fat boo is DIRECTLY stated, where's your proof that fat boo was highly suppressed vs SSJ3 goku? Where is this stated?
Evil boo is logically weaker than both fat boo and shin boo, he's only part of boo, he's NOT boo as a whole
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
yes he is fat buu was not at full power because he was not angry enough to unleash his full strength the angrier fat buu gest the stronger he is everyone knows that besides the fat buu who fought goku cant contain the power of good buu+evil buu when fat buu gives an evil look he gest stronger just like vs dabura when he gave this evil look he got stronger and gohan even said so and buu once again gave the same look at goku and angry fat buu>>>>>fat buu wh fought goku
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 1) fat boo gave an evil look at SSJ3 goku just like vs dabra and vegeta
2) if fat boo was so suppressed and so much weaker than vs vegeta, then goku wouldn't even need SSJ3, since fat boo got ANGRY vs Majin vegeta
3) How in the hell can't you understand why evil boo << shin boo??? Evil boo is ONLY PART of boo as a whole. Didn't you bother reading my replies or are you just stupid?
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
when did i say evil buu is stronger than super buu? lol i never said that i only say that fat buu was at full power when he was about to split and evil buu is part of the angry fat buu not the calm one read my posts again and yeah fat buu got agry again when he fought goku so he got stronger if evil buu is part of the fat buu who had the same power he did when he fought goku so evil buu is equal or weaker than ssj2 goku does that make sense? no and good buu is above any ssj2
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 The very fact that shin boo still has a personality makes him NOT pure evilness. The smallest child gets this lol.
And fat boo didn't get stronger in his split, he seperated in 2 opposite boo's. So either way Fat boo can't have a maximum, cuz he splits.
Therefore, an Maximum angry Fat boo DOESN'T exist.
Why? Because he splits....
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
so you say fat buu who splited is equal to fat buu who fought goku this makes no snese at all and no when fat buu gets mad he gets stronger its a fact thats why when he got mad vs vegeta he got stronger lol the fat buu who fought goku cant contain the power of good buu+evil buu since good buu>any ssj2 and he was unable to lay a hit on evil buu according to your logic evil buu is equal to ssj2 goku and thats absourd fat buu got stronger hwen he was about to split
pakl123456 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
and once again being pure evil makes you more dangerous the same kibito ka sais kid buu is the most dangerous buu for god sake why didnt he say he is the most powerful? the whole talk applied for fat buu not super buu suer buu surpassed msot of the influence and this influence might be the strength and the little influence is the personallity which mmakes super buu less dangerous not wekaer no one controls super buu's power
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456
wvil buu was growing inside fat buu's body so obviously fat buu got much stronger when he was about to split
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Euh yes boohan is less evil than kid boo, but he has fucking Mystic gohan absorbed which gave him a shitload of power, READ MY EARLIER REPLY!
Kibitoshin never said kid boo is only more dangerous, he stated that majin boo's power decreases as he gets less evil.
Since you tend to ignore this statement, I'll give it again:
Kibitoshin said that boo's power decreases as he gets less evil.
Shin boo is NOT pure evilness/evil itself, everyone knows that.
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
once again you say that the more evil buu is the stronger he is and according to kibito kai kid buu is the dangerous because he is more evil yeah i know what he said but how do you he didnt mean to fat buu only? after all super buu was never mentioned he is the new buu and gray buu is more evil than super buu and we know super buu>>>>>gray buu so this point is false and kid buu is the most dangerous buu when someone is more evil he is more dangerous not weaker everyone knows that
pakl123456 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
super buu surpassed kid buu?
pakl123456 1 month ago
@pakl123456 Sigh, I said shin boo MOSTLY overcame Dai K's influence. You don't even bother to actually read my replies?
Want proof? Shin boo is NOT pure evilness. This is a FACT.
And stop quoting the stupid VIZ manga; in the Herms and Jap manga kibitoshin said "the goodness boo gained by absorption and that was decreasing his power, is now comletely gone. Now, he's once again PURE EVILNESS."
Kid boo > Shin boo. Just stop ignoring this statement
ryuhayabu1 1 month ago
@ryuhayabu1
i am not ignoring it but yet this statement applied for fat buu fat buu was the only one who was mentioned and you said super buu overcame dai kaio i dont remember when you said most but anyway kid buu has no influence makes him the dangerous one you are the one who ignores the fact that kibito kai said kid buu is the most dangerous buu why didnt he say kid buu is the strongest you dont answer this quesyti