10% of the animal kingdom is gay. People say it's not natural but why then, does it occur in the natural world? And don't give me that bullshit response that it's a choice. Why would a person "choose" to be treated like 2nd class citizens, be disowned by family and lose friends? If you believe that, you're a moron
"Animals can't give consent..."←That is a misconception born from ignorance. It is a fact that animals can give consent to many things and that adult animal can consent to sex with their species or with other species (like humans-animals)
There is something called body language and non-verbal consent.
If you are are smart then you don't need me to explain to you how animals can give consent. If you are not that smart I can link you to evidence and explain to you in detail. :)
The consent that an animal gives is different from the consent two adult humans give. There is a distinction. Unless you are saying human beings are no different in any way from other animals.
I agree, each species has his own kind of consent that works for that species to avoid rape and harm.
But here is the catch, for example, when a human has sex with a dog (or vice versa) the human is actually asking consent or giving consent like another dog would do (the human has to mimic and act like a dog) the dog does not need to consent like a human, they can't do that, but humans can consent like dogs if they have the knowledge about dogs mating rituals and body language.
Homosexuality, as with heterosexuality, is completely acceptable when it occurs between consenting adults. Most child molestation cases involve a heterosexual man and an underage female. Heterosexual men are the most dangerous child predators on the planet. Therefore heterosexuality is wrong? Obnoxious logic, absolutely obnoxious.
I could never understand it, When I ask I get called a homophobic.
I understand if you are gay... that is fine, but why would some want a sex change, or wear women clothing. I'm sure you can still get a guy if you are gay, but why the change, and why are some do this and others do not
There is a difference between a male (with male brain) who is attracted to manliness and a male who is born with a feminine brain who is attracted to manliness.
In one case the person is male in all senses and will continue to be like that.
In the other case, the person is a female trapped in a male body, some of them feel more comfortable using women cloth or getting a sex change to be the right gender (to match their body with their mind)
The phrase "consenting adults" would end the phone call. The guy on the phone is an idiot. Children can't consent to sexual relationships, end of story. Seriously, when was the last time anyone has ever even heard of, or mentioned NAMBLA? Twenty years ago? Like I said, the guy on the phone is an idiot.
Animals can consent to sex, either with other animal or with human-animals (they use body language to communicate non-verbal consent)
That also means that bestiality can be consensual, which is why in many countries is legal to have consensual sex with non-human animals, because nobody is being forced or harmed.
Hope that help to make you more informed about this topic, don't make the same mistake again of saying that they can't consent. :)
@catholicamazing I know you don't care. Because you're a person who embraces the homosexual and their lifestyle for which GOD clearly condems. But you are demon possessed and Satan has you beleiving his lies
I love videos like this that make those who are opposed to gays and lesbians look so ignorant and ill-educated. I may watch this twice, just for the comedy
you ain't got to be a butt plugger or a dildo twin to be sexually addicted. the Devil seeks to keep you from true love, peace & joy. Devil & it's little suckers seek to kill the conscience & the power of the Holy Lamb & His blood shed for the repentent. Sin is a godam bitch male or female. Satans little suckers hate Life. ya'll better get free with Christ's redemption, o.k.?
Wastes of air. And for the life of me I can't see why people make a big deal about homosexual people. Does it affect you in any way If two people you don't know sleep together? If they are both the same gender does that answer change? Love is love. Noone is trying to force you to be gay. Just leave them alone and worry over something worth bitching about.
"I am not in any way supportive of bestiality. Nor the ideas."← You have a double standard by supporting homosexuality but not support zoosexuality.
I can't see why people make a big deal about zoosexuals. Does it affect you in any way If a consenting adult animal and a consenting adult human-animal you don't know sleep together? Love is love. Noone is trying to force you to be a zoosexual. Just leave us alone and worry about something worth bitching about.
I am not in any way supportive of bestiality. Nor the ideas. But animals can give consent. Look around the internet, I'm sure you will find quite a few disgusting vids. And judging from them, it doesn't seem at all like animals are opposed to fucking female women that happen to be repulsive enough to allow an animal to cum inside of them for money. also, nambla id a horrible thing to stereotype ANY human with. The fact that it exists just proves that people can be sick, disgraceful, loath-worthy
Bestiality can be consensual, which makes it not always wrong, in many countries consensual bestiality is legal because nobody is being hurt or forced, while they still leave abuse or animal rape as ILLEGAL.
PS: You are wrong to say that pedophilia is non-consensual, pedophilia is the sexual attraction for children, it has nothing to do with consent.
I think you mean to say "child molestation" instead, you should learn the difference between a pedo and a child molester.
They need a good gay guy to strike with comebacks! They just sat there and took it and denied it without giving reasoning. They should have said "When there is consenting adults, their rights to choose a partner should be respected." That would immediately debunk NAMBLA.
Ugh! Pedophiles aren't gays! It isn't the same thing! Child rape is child rape no matter what you call it! A child can't consent to a sexual act! A grown man can! How do people not grasp this very basic concept?
From Amsterdam: That's live TV and I like it. Not that I agree with the guy who is calling in, but he says what he feels and that may be abject, but he represents a part of the American population (and also the Dutch). I'm gay but I think discussions may help people think and come over their prejudices, to come to tolerance. It's still funny though, weird experiance in the old world.
This guy is an idiot. Children and animals can't give a meaningful form of consent to sexual encounters with adults because they don't understand the weight of the situation. THAT is what makes homosexuality different from pedophilia or bestiality; Two adults can give a meaningful form of consent to each other, because they actually know what they're doing.
"animals can't give a meaningful form of consent to sexual encounters with adults because they don't understand the weight of the situation"←Tell me, what does an fully sexually mature animal needs to understand before having consensual sex with a human?
"You can't get a meaningful form of consent from something that isn't human because you can't effectively communicate them what it is you're doing to them"←Animals aren't objects. And they understand what I do or they do.
This idiot caller doesn't even give them a chance to speak...ignorant idiots like him don't even want to hear reasonable arguments.
Here's the difference between gays and lesbians and pedophiles and those into bestiality: Gay and Lesbian relationships are between TWO CONSENTING IN LOVE ADULT HUMANS!!!!!
This imbecile calling and anyone who thinks he has a rational argument are holding humans back as a species.
There is no difference in that sense between zoosexuality and homosexuality, both of them can fall inlove with an animal and both of them can have consensual relationship with adult animals.
PS: I'm a zoosexual and I'm IN LOVE with my ADULT dog and we are in a relationship that includes CONSENSUAL sex. IF you know nothing about zoosexuality, maybe you should not assume stuff, check your "facts" first and make sure they are correct before writing nonsense.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo You can't get a meaningful form of consent from something that isn't human because you can't effectively communicate them what it is you're doing to them.
Some axe murders are gay. Some judges are gay. Some soldiers are gay. Some dictators are gay. Some popes are gay. Some bankers are gay. Some republicans are gay. Some christians are gay.
This "thing" about pedophilia and gays is all about ignorance. Only 11% of child molestation is committed by gays, the rest of the 89% is committed by heterosexuals.
This callers rantings comes from religious training - ignorance of the facts. He is a lost cause, NEVER to see the real world. He's brainwashed.
Of 100% a 7% are homosexuals (according to statistical studies on how many people is homosexual in a human population) If your number are right.
7% is responsible for 11% and 93% is responsible for the 89% which seems to indicate homosexuals are a bit more likely to molest than heterosexuals. Either you are wrong in your statement or you give false numbers.
Either way, you did something wrong, find what it was and don't do the same mistake in the future. :)
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Your statistics are wrong. Have you read the Kinsey report from the 1950s? You can find it online. The polls you refer to are complied by the religious right. Today, gays are ESTIMATED (that means, those who ADMIT they are gay and those who are "on the fence") @ nearly 30%. The same conservative "statistics" are used against atheists - the fastest growing group pertaining to religion in the US.
You have an agenda. You will see only what you wish to.
"Have you read the Kinsey report from the 1950s?"←To my knowledge, they measured sexual activity and not sexual orientation. If you have a evidence showing that homosexuality in the human population is over 7% give me the link or don't bother.
"The polls you refer to are complied by the religious right"←Have evidence that is true?
"Today, gays are ESTIMATED nearly 30%"←Can I see the link to the study that concluded that?
you sick fucks i hope you all get aids and rot in hell you dirty scum thats what you are you low life scum , you go to men because you are out cast that should have commited a long time ago, fuck you cunt go find friends with a 9mm
@rudemood2011 Dude not being funny but being transgender isn't wrong me myself is transgender and now go by the name TJ what do you have to say to that is woman in mens clothes wrong?....
@rudemood2011 I wear mens clothes and i am christian i belong to a church and they accept me....im me and proud because i would never change who i am for anyone so stick that in your homophobic bible !
@thrashdouche21 maybe so, but the bible is the word of god and you have to obey. god is in control and what he says goes. god gives everone free will. if you don't obey god there are consquences and the consequencese for not obeying is eternity in hell forever and ever being tortured by satan and his demons for eternity without a single bit of rest EVER, but god gives everyone a choice to make their own decisions. you can go to heaven but only though gods son Jesus Christ. Turn or Burn
I think the fact these people are very tollerant of this caller's obvious mental disorder (and possible mental retardation?) speaks volumes of their character! I ponder though, why so many questions on the topic of sexuality...something this man claims to want no part of, outside of his own family tree? lol I wouldve recorded him and then played his rants back to him while taking more credible calls.
They did a lousy job of defending themselves against this guy... Young children and animals can't enter into consensual legal agreements--that's the reason those "relationships" are wrong.
Animals do not need to enter into consensual legal agreements before they have sex, only humans do and only when they have sex with other humans. If they have sex with other species they only need to respect the animal consent and the animal abuse laws.
What a fucking disgusting retarded piece of shit nazi! These people have the patience of saints, I wish I was on that fucking panel, the prick wouldn't know what hit him!
Pity the person who has to come out in such a destructive environment. Have you ever heard the saying that people who get angry about gay people wrestle with feelings of homosexual type feeling.. Caller sounds like he's been wrestling with his insides!
Ignorance. Pure, plain and simple! Wake up... We don't say people should sleep with animals... That my friend IS getting off the topics these rational, minded group of people are discussing! And any person with a sole will point out the pedophilia is a sick, power play on innocent people! Why would anyone want to support child rape? The caller I'd misinformed and bringing up things that are completely rediculous! Hang up
On him, some people will only get it when a loved one is lgbt , though i p
also,i'd like to say that people who "have sex" with animals are evil. now,that's not NATURAL. being an animal abuser is nowhere near being lgbt or straight. what...the...FUCK???!
"that's not NATURAL"←Zoosexuality happens in hundreds of animal species, same is true for homosexuality. If you think zoosexuality is unnatural then by logic, you think homosexuality is unnatural too.
"being an animal abuser is nowhere near being lgbt"←Zoosexuality is not a synonym of animal abuse or rape, just like homosexuality is not a synonym of human abuse or human rape. Not all zoosexual abuse animals, just like not all homosexuals abuse humans.
why do people associate pedophilia with homosexuality? most people who abuse children are straight. don't believe me? half of all teen pregnancies are by men not boys. that means straight men are raping teenage girls and impregnating them. most rape is done by straight men against women and children. sounds pretty bad to be straight,doesn't it? no,because i know that their sexuality had nothing to do with their evil choices. being homophobic is just as bad as being racist.
This guy is an idiot. The majority of pedophiles are straight men. Their victims are usually family members. It is a mental illness. You can not compare that to being gay. I agree with ashdog. He is probably the molester and also screws his dog.
Having sex/being in a relationship with another grown up human being that agrees to it, is not the same thing as having a relationship with a child or an animal. Children cannot defend themselves and animals can certainly not defend themselves. Grown ups however can either agree to it not, and if they do agree it's their choice and their business. And why do you compare pedophiles to gay men? Isn't equally wrong for a man to sexually abuse an underaged girl as abusing an underaged boy?
"animals can certainly not defend themselves"←Adult dog or horse can kill a human if you make them angry. You sure they can't defend themselves? Try doing something to my dog against his will and he will send you to a hospital heavily wounded. XD
By the way, adults animals can consent to sex, even with other species, as long as their mating rituals and genitals are compatible. Humans genitals are compatible with many other species and humans can mimic any species mating rituals.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I'm personally against sex with animals because we can't know for sure what they want, you can't prove that an animal agreed since it can't speak or communicate. But my point was that comparing gay relationships with pedophilia and bestiality is unfair. Love between samesex people should have been accepted ages ago, it's just as okay as hetero love. I think it's very unfair that people bring up unrelative stuff instead of just letting gay people get on with their lives.
"I'm personally against sex with animals because we can't know for sure what they want, you can't prove that an animal agreed since it can't speak or communicate" ←By that logic, are you against people owning animals? OR against people petting animals? Because, by your logic, the animals can't communicate consent to be petted or to be some ones property. Correct?
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PS: Depends what kind of comparison is done, logical comparison can be done between pedos & zoophiles and homosexuals.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just like it's okay to pet a kid, it's fine to pet an animal. Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted it's not as terrible as being forced to sex without your consent. Animals are often treated very unfairly in general, maybe fucking them isn't the worst you can do but I don't get what you believe gives you the right? " logical comparison can be done between pedos & zoophiles and homosexuals."
"Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted it's not as terrible as being forced to sex without your consent"←WRONG both are wrong, doing something against the animal consent is wrong.
"Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted"←You just admitted they can consent to be petted, I though you said they can't consent.
I only support consensual sex, either with animals or with humans.
"What "logical" comparison are you talking about?"←I will PM you and tell you.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Right, raping someone is not worse than petting someone against their will? I hate seeing owners pick up their pets awkwardly and so on, but it's still more wrong to have intercorse with them even if it doesn't physically harm the animal. I find beastiality and pedophilia closer in comparison; kids can be sexual just as well and they may not get physically hurt by a pedophile but to mix adult and children is wrong, just like it's wrong to mix humans and animals.
"just like it's wrong to mix humans and animals."←Why?
If you only have subjective morality to say is wrong, then keep that personal opinion to yourself.
Causing unnecessary distress to an animal is legally considered animal abuse, it doesn't matter how that distress is caused (forced petting or forced sex are both equal illegal)
I think you should stop judging the zoosexuals that only have consensual sex with animals. ಠ_ಠ
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Wait, so you think it's okay to have sex with children? o.O "If you only have subjective morality to say is wrong, then keep that personal opinion to yourself." Okay, so I don't have the right to express my opinion? I've never said anything about the zoosexuals per se, I understand that the sexuality exists, I don't think they are disgusting or going to hell I'm just saying that I don't think it's okay to act out on animals, just like it's not okay to act out on children.
Sex with children is harmful, even if it is consensual, I believe that harming others is wrong.
Ok, sorry about that, let me say it in a different way: Feel free to give your opinion, as long as it doesn't turn into hate speech. Hate speech = illegal, freedom of speech = legal.
But your reason to say that makes no sense, adult animals are nothing like children. Even if that where true, it is still legal to act on adult animals, while it is illegal to act on a child.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I think it's much worse to have sex with children than adult animals that "agree" to it, but it's the part about agreeing that is too unclear with animals. If every zoophile was Ceasar Millan then fine, no one's hurt and everyone's happy, but the risk is high that animals that doesn't consent get molested/raped, and they can't testify or sue anyone. I think if we include animals as an alternetive for a sexual partner, they deserve to be treated as humans, and they're not.
A study show that zoosexuals have higher emphatic skills than a normal non-zoo population. We are better than the average human in communicating non-verbally.
Pretty much, the majority of zoophiles are like Ceasar Millan.
"they can't testify or sue anyone"←That is also true for non-sexual animal abuse, anyone can abuse their pets behind closed doors. Should we make animal ownership illegal to protect animals from abuse? Then why make all sex with animals illegal? ;)
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo There's still a high risk of people getting away with hurting animals. People abuse and harm animals in other ways too and yes, I think you should earn a right to own an animal, just like you should earn the right to have children, because people are idiots. Although I don't know if it would change for the better if they made a law for that. Adult humans that can consent, defend themself or at least seek help is the safest and most fair group to be sexual with.
I agree with you, people should be screened to own pets (pretty much how we screen people who adopt babies)
But for now, it would be UNFAIR to make it illegal to have sex with animals just because some idiots do the same while harming the animal. Doing that would be like making animal ownership illegal just because some idiots will abuse their pets. Or making dog training illegal, just because some idiots use abusive training methods.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I get your point, but I think legalizing beastiality would lead to a lot more animal torture, and a lot of it would be very difficult to run down simply because animals can't tell anyone, and it's near impossible to work out whether it was rape or not. It varies between species but some animals are easily manipulated; if you feed it and rape it the animal will probably come back. So how are we supposed to protect them from getting abused when it's so easy to abuse them?
"but I think legalizing beastiality would lead to a lot more animal torture"←Currently, anyone can buy a pet and rape her/him behind closed door. Even if there was death penalty for doing it. And is not about legalizing any bestiality, only the consensual one.
"So how are we supposed to protect them from getting abused when it's so easy to abuse them?"←Exactly, only solution I can think is, to make all animal ownership illegal to protect animals from abusive humans.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo All sorts of crimes are committed behind closed doors, laws don't erase the problem. As sexpartnes animals need the same rights and responseabilites that we have; the right to have someone arrested and also responsability for not hurting others. Independent animals that aren't trained or owned are probably dangerous for humans, if they're not in their natural inviroment. So maybe consentual sex with free animals in their inviroment is another thing. Good luck with that ;)
Animal abuse laws already can be used to punish people who sexually abuse animals but not to punish people who has consensual sex with animals, I'm totally fine with that, problem is when extra laws are made o also punish consensual sex. Know as sodomy law.
"So maybe consentual sex with free animals in their inviroment is another thing. Good luck with that"←Dogs environment is the human environment, dogs do not exist in the wild, they are human engineered species.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I think there should be a law against any sex with animals, otherwise it's like being ok with people molesting children without leaving physical evidence and then denying the whole thing. Just like we can't put the responsability on children to decide for themselves, we can't do that to pets. Since humans own dogs I don't think it's okay to have sex with them, just like it would be wrong to have sex with another human that you "own".
"otherwise it's like being ok with people molesting children without leaving physical evidence and then denying the whole thing"←Leaving one as legal does not makes the other one legal. Also, sex with children is mentally harmful even if you leave no physical evidence. With adult animals this does not happen, if you have consensual sex, there will be no mental or physical harm.
Assuming human slavery where LEGAL, why it would be wrong to have sex with the slave?
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just want to add that I don't personally know you and I can't judge your sexuality since I have no clue what that is. I simply stand by my opinions on how risky and uncertain sexual relations with animals is to sort out and judge. Just like there's too many rapes in general, there are a lot of animals with no voices that are abused in different ways. Both need to be debatted and fought against, including the grey areas like "consesual" sex with animals.
@BornADreamer since when does animal torture and abuse only mean sexual torture? I'm pretty sure abuse involves not only rape,but battering and forcing the dogs to commit acts to which harm can be brought upon himself. Its easy to tell if a dog lives in a stable enviornment based on it's behaviors
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo PS: if you can't take another person's opinion you shouldn't be debating. I can take someone not being okay with gay sex, but it's different to saying that they should die or compare it to having sex with animals or children of the same gender. That's like comparing zoophiles to those who torture animals, which doesn't necessarily have to be the same thing, although some zoophiles probably do, just like homosexuals can be rapers and pedophiles can seek help.
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo "There are pedophiles and zoophiles that are homosexuals" Just like there are heterosexuals that are pedophiles or zoophiles. That's a weak argument. Heterosexuals love the opposite gender and homosexuals love the same gender. I think they should have equal rights. Pedophiles should get help to avoid assulting children. Zoophiles should (in my opinion) maybe find other ways to live out their sexuality without bringing real animals into it.
"Bestiality? Animals cannot consent, you dumbass!"←I have a dog and he does not have a problem showing consent or denying consent to different activities. So I ask you, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT ANIMALS CAN'T CONSENT?
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What a hero! finally someone with the balls to stand up against the gay menace. and George Cox? Really? It would be Cox and the woman's a man! TRANNY!
the caller clearly has issues with his own sexuality, what on earth was he doing watching a gay tv channel if he hates them so much? im straight and like any straight man that is comfortable in his sexuality I have no issue's with gay people.
Dogs Need Pleasure Too -- I'm done conversing with you as I have read other conversations between you and other users and it is completely useless. Let me put this one last feeling I have towards you out there : I hope a dog bites your dick off.
In 19 years and after having sex with over 25 dogs, I never been bite by a dog, I only have consensual sex with them, I give them no reasons to bite, I don't do things that they dislike so they never have a reason to bite, I only do things that are neutral or that they enjoy, with gives them no reasons to attack.
As long as I stick to having consensual sex with them, I will never harm them and I will never be harm by them. :)
Seriously makes me so fucking angry that because somebody is Gay, we get referred to by some homophobic moron's as petophiles. Those Homophibic Morons are the sick fucks for even thinking something so disgusting. This moronic left winged hill billy homophobe needs to seek psychiatric help because I think he might be the Child abuser.
@TheSparky777 to call homosexuality some sort of medical condition would be like calling left-handedness a medical condition. just because its a minority doesnt mean its not part of normal human development.
The reason why gay is okay but paedophilia is wrong is because women are allowed to be attracted to men and men are allowed to be attracted to women? Men and women are things that are sexually attractive. children and animals are not and it shouldn't be legal.
"Men and women are things that are sexually attractive."←That is incorrect, everybody has different tastes, a minority of poeple are not heterosexuals. Having a different sexual preference is not a crime, if the person harms others with their sexual preference, that is a crime. And if the person harm himself, then that is a disorder.
Pedophilia and zoophilia are not always a crime and not always harmful to the person, so making them illegal in their totality would be unconstitutional.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
god there are some stupid people in the world, I wish homophobic people could hear how unintelligent and hateful they sound (or maybe that's what they're going for).
Some pedophiles are gay men but the majority are straight men who rape little girls, does that mean straight guys are all pedos? Bigot needs critical thinking skills
Not to mention that pedophilia and bestiality involve rape, while being gay only results in rape in actual acts of rape.
"Not to mention that pedophilia and bestiality involve rape"←That is partially incorrect.
Not all pedophiles are rapists. An not all people that do bestiality rape animals, as consensual sex with adult animals is a fact.
PS: How hypocritical to say that generalizing that homosexuals or heterosexuals are pedophiles is wrong, yet you wrongly generalize that all pedophiles and zoosexuals are rapists... ⇎_⇎''
Pedophiles are rapist for the fact that they're having sex with a being who hasn't the mental capacity to make a willing decision of this magnitude. It's very easy for an adult to manipulate a child into all sorts of things, only for these kids to grow-up realizing that they were actually molested and didn't want to partake in such acts but were too naive to understand what they were doing.
I won't even go there with screwing animals, there's no actual consent here, period
"Pedophiles are rapist for the fact that they're having sex with a being who hasn't the mental capacity to make a willing decision of this magnitude"←Why you assume that all pedophiles have sex with children? Like I said not all pedophiles are rapists, most of them know is either wrong or illegal to do that, and live normal lives without ever doing that.
"I won't even go there with screwing animals, there's no actual consent here, period"←Where is your evidence of that?
Of course not all pedophiles have sex with children, but by the very nature of their desires they seek to. If it were totally legal and socially acceptable for them to do so they probably all would act on those desires
""Where is your evidence of that?""
They're an animal, why would this require any more evidence? Oh wait, I just saw your profile, fucking nasty
See, calling pedophiles that chose to not have sex rapists is wrong, that is why you should not generalize that all pedophiles are rapists. They already have a hard time, they don't need people calling them rapists when they are choosing to not rape. PS: Sex with children is harmful so can't be legal.
-Because without evidence, people can just claim anything to be true when is not.
-If you believe adult animals can't consent to sex, then either you are lying or misinformed.
You have no way of accurately indicating if you're hurting an animal when you're engaging in sexual acts with it, that's why it's wrong. Pets are a lot like children in that they're dependent on their "pack leader", the owner, for their livelihood; to take advantage of their inferior position by enforcing your sickness on them for pleasure is wrong
And no, I don't think pedophiles are rapists, but pedophilia IS because it requires invasive action on the pedophiles part
"You have no way of accurately indicating if you're hurting an animal when you're engaging in sexual acts with it"←Why you believe that???
"to take advantage of their inferior position by enforcing"←Who said anything about forcing? I only support and do consensual sex. And... taking advantage of animals without harming them is 100% legal.
Pedophilia is harmless, child molestation is harmful, not all pedophiles are child molesters. Understand? Child molesters are the bad guy.
It's not a matter of belief; animals cannot communicate with us in any intelligible manner, they're also not capable of understanding freewill like we do as they tend to function under a primitive understanding where the alpha makes the rules, and thus they will follow them
""Pedophilia is harmless""
Having sex with children is NOT harmless, I've been over this will you already. Just like animals, children are not capable of consenting willingly
"animals cannot communicate with us in any intelligible manner"←Ethologists have decipher the animal language so humans can understand what animals are communicating. Didn't you know that? Try Googleling "dog body language" for example.
You ever had dogs or cats as pets? IF you did, you should know how they use language to communicate with humans.
"Having sex with children is NOT harmless"←I said pedophilia ಠ_ಠ pedophilia doesn't mean sex with children... *face palm*
"they're also not capable of understanding freewill like we do"
Can I see evidence that statement is true?
Can I see evidence that not understanding free will makes relationship with them unethical?
How may zoosexuals you know? Have you see the relationship they have with their animal lover/lovers? Funny because I can't force my dog to love me or have sex with me if he doesn't want (I could rape him but I happen to find rape unethical) so where is your evidence?
They're of a different species that cannot coherently communicate with us, which does not require proof as it's flipping obvious. When's the last time you had a conversation with an animal?.....never
Nor do I need to provide evidence that lacking freewill is unethical; if you believe it's acceptable to enforce yourself on another without their consent you're a piece of shit
You animal rapists need to be sent to a mental ward, stat
"They're of a different species that cannot coherently communicate with us"←Ethology studies made about animal language proof they can coherently communicate simple ideas with humans. Where is your evidence that they can't?
Today I had simple conversations with my dogs. :D
"Nor do I need to provide evidence"←We live in a world mostly ruled by secularism, you do have to provide evidence.
PS: I don't belie is ethical to rape, which is why I only have consensual sex with dogs.
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
faggots. man up!
ensanehomie 2 days ago
Trannys are fucked up.
RayWlllaimJohnson 3 days ago
Terrible comebacks. Awful.
papatoony 3 days ago
10% of the animal kingdom is gay. People say it's not natural but why then, does it occur in the natural world? And don't give me that bullshit response that it's a choice. Why would a person "choose" to be treated like 2nd class citizens, be disowned by family and lose friends? If you believe that, you're a moron
aGua421 4 days ago
Animals can't give consent... why didnt anyone bring that up? it would have ended that "beastilaity" arguement immedialtely.
Zain844 6 days ago
@Zain844
"Animals can't give consent..."←That is a misconception born from ignorance. It is a fact that animals can give consent to many things and that adult animal can consent to sex with their species or with other species (like humans-animals)
There is something called body language and non-verbal consent.
If you are are smart then you don't need me to explain to you how animals can give consent. If you are not that smart I can link you to evidence and explain to you in detail. :)
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
The consent that an animal gives is different from the consent two adult humans give. There is a distinction. Unless you are saying human beings are no different in any way from other animals.
aGua421 4 days ago
@aGua421
I agree, each species has his own kind of consent that works for that species to avoid rape and harm.
But here is the catch, for example, when a human has sex with a dog (or vice versa) the human is actually asking consent or giving consent like another dog would do (the human has to mimic and act like a dog) the dog does not need to consent like a human, they can't do that, but humans can consent like dogs if they have the knowledge about dogs mating rituals and body language.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 4 days ago
That caller is a moron! ... end of
sammysyrett 1 week ago
Homosexuality, as with heterosexuality, is completely acceptable when it occurs between consenting adults. Most child molestation cases involve a heterosexual man and an underage female. Heterosexual men are the most dangerous child predators on the planet. Therefore heterosexuality is wrong? Obnoxious logic, absolutely obnoxious.
DomeSwag 1 week ago
Two words: CONSENTING. ADULTS. The other's are rape!!! That's it
imyumi 1 week ago
@imyumi
Bestiality can also be done between consenting adults (one consenting adult animals + one consenting adult human-animal)
Zoosexuality is not always rape, just like homosexuality is not always rape.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
I could never understand it, When I ask I get called a homophobic.
I understand if you are gay... that is fine, but why would some want a sex change, or wear women clothing. I'm sure you can still get a guy if you are gay, but why the change, and why are some do this and others do not
samueldavs 1 week ago
@samueldavs
There is a difference between a male (with male brain) who is attracted to manliness and a male who is born with a feminine brain who is attracted to manliness.
In one case the person is male in all senses and will continue to be like that.
In the other case, the person is a female trapped in a male body, some of them feel more comfortable using women cloth or getting a sex change to be the right gender (to match their body with their mind)
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
Good luck, Charlie! lol
twilightsinger916 1 week ago
The phrase "consenting adults" would end the phone call. The guy on the phone is an idiot. Children can't consent to sexual relationships, end of story. Seriously, when was the last time anyone has ever even heard of, or mentioned NAMBLA? Twenty years ago? Like I said, the guy on the phone is an idiot.
hbfarker 1 week ago
Because beastiality is not consentual.
Woodland312 1 week ago
@Woodland312
Animals can consent to sex, either with other animal or with human-animals (they use body language to communicate non-verbal consent)
That also means that bestiality can be consensual, which is why in many countries is legal to have consensual sex with non-human animals, because nobody is being forced or harmed.
Hope that help to make you more informed about this topic, don't make the same mistake again of saying that they can't consent. :)
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
Omfg hang up on him. You know how your strait? We know were gay in th very same way.
catholicamazing 1 week ago
@roodmood2011 I couldn't give a shit to read that. Have your opinion fine. We dont care.
catholicamazing 1 week ago
@catholicamazing I know you don't care. Because you're a person who embraces the homosexual and their lifestyle for which GOD clearly condems. But you are demon possessed and Satan has you beleiving his lies
rudemood2011 1 week ago
sounds like hateman from howard stern show
thrashdouche21 1 week ago
omg what is this!
thrashdouche21 1 week ago
I love videos like this that make those who are opposed to gays and lesbians look so ignorant and ill-educated. I may watch this twice, just for the comedy
lilyallenfan09 1 week ago
the man on the phone has a point, some people see homosexuality as bad as bestiality..all he was saying
24shazz 2 weeks ago
who cares what consenting adults do in private, seriously? what a narrow minded idiot.
mahmoudyzadeh 2 weeks ago
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adjectivenowpronoun 2 weeks ago
@adjectivenowpronoun that is just a story made up by religion to try and brainwash people
mermaidsareppl222 1 week ago
Comparing gay people to nambla is like comparing ice cream to month old canned chili, it just doesnt add up
ouellette001 2 weeks ago
I can't wait for this guy's son or daughter... or even BOTH to come out as gay. God help him...
MatthewRank 2 weeks ago
I cant wait for this guy's son or daughter to come out as gay. God help him...
MatthewRank 2 weeks ago
@MatthewRank I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL HIS GAY SON FUCKS YOUR UNDERAGE SON IN HIS RECTUM,
ArchbishopOfCombat18 1 week ago
Wastes of air. And for the life of me I can't see why people make a big deal about homosexual people. Does it affect you in any way If two people you don't know sleep together? If they are both the same gender does that answer change? Love is love. Noone is trying to force you to be gay. Just leave them alone and worry over something worth bitching about.
BreaktheClouds 2 weeks ago
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@BreaktheClouds
"I am not in any way supportive of bestiality. Nor the ideas."← You have a double standard by supporting homosexuality but not support zoosexuality.
I can't see why people make a big deal about zoosexuals. Does it affect you in any way If a consenting adult animal and a consenting adult human-animal you don't know sleep together? Love is love. Noone is trying to force you to be a zoosexual. Just leave us alone and worry about something worth bitching about.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
I am not in any way supportive of bestiality. Nor the ideas. But animals can give consent. Look around the internet, I'm sure you will find quite a few disgusting vids. And judging from them, it doesn't seem at all like animals are opposed to fucking female women that happen to be repulsive enough to allow an animal to cum inside of them for money. also, nambla id a horrible thing to stereotype ANY human with. The fact that it exists just proves that people can be sick, disgraceful, loath-worthy
BreaktheClouds 2 weeks ago
Bestiality and pedophilia is non-consensual, this is what makes it wrong.
xWARBRAINx 2 weeks ago
@xWARBRAINx
Bestiality can be consensual, which makes it not always wrong, in many countries consensual bestiality is legal because nobody is being hurt or forced, while they still leave abuse or animal rape as ILLEGAL.
PS: You are wrong to say that pedophilia is non-consensual, pedophilia is the sexual attraction for children, it has nothing to do with consent.
I think you mean to say "child molestation" instead, you should learn the difference between a pedo and a child molester.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
that guy had some good points. gays just want the hate and abuse to stop thay are not telling strait people to accept it.
8087dave 2 weeks ago
They need a good gay guy to strike with comebacks! They just sat there and took it and denied it without giving reasoning. They should have said "When there is consenting adults, their rights to choose a partner should be respected." That would immediately debunk NAMBLA.
Econiodide 2 weeks ago 8
that guys a jerk but the sad part is ALMOST everything he said is true
duntendonutes123 2 weeks ago
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CharlieCharles00 3 weeks ago
@CharlieCharles00 so what number account is this
mermaidsareppl222 2 weeks ago
Ugh! Pedophiles aren't gays! It isn't the same thing! Child rape is child rape no matter what you call it! A child can't consent to a sexual act! A grown man can! How do people not grasp this very basic concept?
JarvisComics 3 weeks ago
Bahhhaaaaaaaa:)
macksturr 3 weeks ago
@psychick99 Hahahahah i always say the same thing
underdogboxer 3 weeks ago
That shit is so funny... And a little bit sad... But mainly funny!
EPR89 3 weeks ago
hahaha wtf... that guy is an idiot...
jpotter333 3 weeks ago
viva the homophobic
stripman1000 4 weeks ago
*low whistle*
FoxtrotTripolar 1 month ago
They're terrible at come backs
CRaZy4RiGHT 1 month ago
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psychick99 1 month ago
the guy that called into this sounds like a gay nigger. lol.
chercherchercher 1 month ago
Its all about CONSENT! Children are not able to consent. Animals are not able to give consent. Its about gender discrimination.
PaulClark85 1 month ago
From Amsterdam: That's live TV and I like it. Not that I agree with the guy who is calling in, but he says what he feels and that may be abject, but he represents a part of the American population (and also the Dutch). I'm gay but I think discussions may help people think and come over their prejudices, to come to tolerance. It's still funny though, weird experiance in the old world.
mazzeltof1 1 month ago
How is beastiality or pedofilia in anyway the same as being gay? how stupid is he god religious american idiots!
1997seanmac 1 month ago
This guy is an idiot. Children and animals can't give a meaningful form of consent to sexual encounters with adults because they don't understand the weight of the situation. THAT is what makes homosexuality different from pedophilia or bestiality; Two adults can give a meaningful form of consent to each other, because they actually know what they're doing.
HaldoChan 1 month ago
@HaldoChan how do you stand on animals who try to mount humans? is it ok to give in since they start it? lol
chakra25king 1 month ago
@chakra25king That's rape, so that's a whole 'nother can of worms...
HaldoChan 1 month ago
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DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
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@HaldoChan
"animals can't give a meaningful form of consent to sexual encounters with adults because they don't understand the weight of the situation"←Tell me, what does an fully sexually mature animal needs to understand before having consensual sex with a human?
"You can't get a meaningful form of consent from something that isn't human because you can't effectively communicate them what it is you're doing to them"←Animals aren't objects. And they understand what I do or they do.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@HaldoChan You are 100% right!
GATOSUBLIME 1 month ago
@GATOSUBLIME
He is 100% wrong with the animals arguments, they do can consent to sexual and non-sexual activities.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
This homophobe is an asshole and i hope he dies.
MsWoot100 1 month ago
hes an idiot. let them talk asshole.
KaityDeHavilland 1 month ago
This idiot caller doesn't even give them a chance to speak...ignorant idiots like him don't even want to hear reasonable arguments.
Here's the difference between gays and lesbians and pedophiles and those into bestiality: Gay and Lesbian relationships are between TWO CONSENTING IN LOVE ADULT HUMANS!!!!!
This imbecile calling and anyone who thinks he has a rational argument are holding humans back as a species.
Crisrav1138 1 month ago
@Crisrav1138
There is no difference in that sense between zoosexuality and homosexuality, both of them can fall inlove with an animal and both of them can have consensual relationship with adult animals.
PS: I'm a zoosexual and I'm IN LOVE with my ADULT dog and we are in a relationship that includes CONSENSUAL sex. IF you know nothing about zoosexuality, maybe you should not assume stuff, check your "facts" first and make sure they are correct before writing nonsense.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo You can't get a meaningful form of consent from something that isn't human because you can't effectively communicate them what it is you're doing to them.
HaldoChan 1 month ago
Some axe murders are gay. Some judges are gay. Some soldiers are gay. Some dictators are gay. Some popes are gay. Some bankers are gay. Some republicans are gay. Some christians are gay.
This "thing" about pedophilia and gays is all about ignorance. Only 11% of child molestation is committed by gays, the rest of the 89% is committed by heterosexuals.
This callers rantings comes from religious training - ignorance of the facts. He is a lost cause, NEVER to see the real world. He's brainwashed.
Ifukguyz 1 month ago
@Ifukguyz
Of 100% a 7% are homosexuals (according to statistical studies on how many people is homosexual in a human population) If your number are right.
7% is responsible for 11% and 93% is responsible for the 89% which seems to indicate homosexuals are a bit more likely to molest than heterosexuals. Either you are wrong in your statement or you give false numbers.
Either way, you did something wrong, find what it was and don't do the same mistake in the future. :)
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Your statistics are wrong. Have you read the Kinsey report from the 1950s? You can find it online. The polls you refer to are complied by the religious right. Today, gays are ESTIMATED (that means, those who ADMIT they are gay and those who are "on the fence") @ nearly 30%. The same conservative "statistics" are used against atheists - the fastest growing group pertaining to religion in the US.
You have an agenda. You will see only what you wish to.
Ifukguyz 1 month ago
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@Ifukguyz
"Have you read the Kinsey report from the 1950s?"←To my knowledge, they measured sexual activity and not sexual orientation. If you have a evidence showing that homosexuality in the human population is over 7% give me the link or don't bother.
"The polls you refer to are complied by the religious right"←Have evidence that is true?
"Today, gays are ESTIMATED nearly 30%"←Can I see the link to the study that concluded that?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo what about women molesting teen lil boys?
thrashdouche21 1 week ago
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@thrashdouche21
"what about women molesting teen lil boys?"←What you mean by molesting?
I don't have a problem with a teen having sex with an older person as long as it is consensual.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 5 days ago
Sooo why was he watching a gay talk show in the first place?
edwardLRS 1 month ago 2
I hate that arguement, there is a difference between two consenting adults and an adult exploiting children
TheNewLights 1 month ago
you sick fucks i hope you all get aids and rot in hell you dirty scum thats what you are you low life scum , you go to men because you are out cast that should have commited a long time ago, fuck you cunt go find friends with a 9mm
langedaddy95 1 month ago
@langedaddy95 U scared of them lmao
TheJDorian 1 month ago
@langedaddy95 and you are proof of why inbreeding is wrong
mermaidsareppl222 1 month ago
@langedaddy95 You are wishing death on another..I'm pretty sure that that's a sin.
danielkolodkinrulz 1 month ago
Dudes in dresses make me sick
rudemood2011 1 month ago
@rudemood2011 Dude not being funny but being transgender isn't wrong me myself is transgender and now go by the name TJ what do you have to say to that is woman in mens clothes wrong?....
TheRealTashaKenealy 1 month ago
@TheRealTashaKenealy Women wearing mens clothing is sick also. The bible clearly says not to wear clothing of another sex
rudemood2011 1 month ago
@rudemood2011 I wear mens clothes and i am christian i belong to a church and they accept me....im me and proud because i would never change who i am for anyone so stick that in your homophobic bible !
TheRealTashaKenealy 1 month ago
@TheRealTashaKenealy you can't be christian and homosexual. that's impossible. that's like getting drunk before you goto a AA meeting
rudemood2011 1 month ago 2
@rudemood2011 the bible says alot of shit!
thrashdouche21 1 week ago
@thrashdouche21 maybe so, but the bible is the word of god and you have to obey. god is in control and what he says goes. god gives everone free will. if you don't obey god there are consquences and the consequencese for not obeying is eternity in hell forever and ever being tortured by satan and his demons for eternity without a single bit of rest EVER, but god gives everyone a choice to make their own decisions. you can go to heaven but only though gods son Jesus Christ. Turn or Burn
rudemood2011 1 week ago
@rudemood2011 so youre saying its right that i deserve to burn in hell just because i dont obey! thats sick!
thrashdouche21 1 week ago
I think the fact these people are very tollerant of this caller's obvious mental disorder (and possible mental retardation?) speaks volumes of their character! I ponder though, why so many questions on the topic of sexuality...something this man claims to want no part of, outside of his own family tree? lol I wouldve recorded him and then played his rants back to him while taking more credible calls.
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They did a lousy job of defending themselves against this guy... Young children and animals can't enter into consensual legal agreements--that's the reason those "relationships" are wrong.
sirlaughsalot1234 1 month ago
@sirlaughsalot1234
Animals do not need to enter into consensual legal agreements before they have sex, only humans do and only when they have sex with other humans. If they have sex with other species they only need to respect the animal consent and the animal abuse laws.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
They shouldn't even listen to him.
ashburnhouse 1 month ago
What a fucking disgusting retarded piece of shit nazi! These people have the patience of saints, I wish I was on that fucking panel, the prick wouldn't know what hit him!
FrickinChillB 1 month ago
Pity the person who has to come out in such a destructive environment. Have you ever heard the saying that people who get angry about gay people wrestle with feelings of homosexual type feeling.. Caller sounds like he's been wrestling with his insides!
ANGELDOZR 1 month ago
Ignorance. Pure, plain and simple! Wake up... We don't say people should sleep with animals... That my friend IS getting off the topics these rational, minded group of people are discussing! And any person with a sole will point out the pedophilia is a sick, power play on innocent people! Why would anyone want to support child rape? The caller I'd misinformed and bringing up things that are completely rediculous! Hang up
On him, some people will only get it when a loved one is lgbt , though i p
ANGELDOZR 1 month ago
also,i'd like to say that people who "have sex" with animals are evil. now,that's not NATURAL. being an animal abuser is nowhere near being lgbt or straight. what...the...FUCK???!
cherubicnerd 1 month ago
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@cherubicnerd
"that's not NATURAL"←Zoosexuality happens in hundreds of animal species, same is true for homosexuality. If you think zoosexuality is unnatural then by logic, you think homosexuality is unnatural too.
"being an animal abuser is nowhere near being lgbt"←Zoosexuality is not a synonym of animal abuse or rape, just like homosexuality is not a synonym of human abuse or human rape. Not all zoosexual abuse animals, just like not all homosexuals abuse humans.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
why do people associate pedophilia with homosexuality? most people who abuse children are straight. don't believe me? half of all teen pregnancies are by men not boys. that means straight men are raping teenage girls and impregnating them. most rape is done by straight men against women and children. sounds pretty bad to be straight,doesn't it? no,because i know that their sexuality had nothing to do with their evil choices. being homophobic is just as bad as being racist.
cherubicnerd 1 month ago 2
THE WORD HOMOPHOBIC IS GAY
pyromanizak 1 month ago
This guy is just throwin anything out there that he can. None of what he is saying has to do with being gay
Hulloxmehxdear 1 month ago
The caller is a closet homosexual, it's obvious :)
pacemaker2point0 1 month ago
@pacemaker2point0 You said the caller is a closet homosexual, it's obvious :)
And all the panel are extraterrestrial straight men and women...
Rockioe 1 month ago
This guy is an idiot. The majority of pedophiles are straight men. Their victims are usually family members. It is a mental illness. You can not compare that to being gay. I agree with ashdog. He is probably the molester and also screws his dog.
1Johnnyboy1971 2 months ago
haha that nasty tranny got him with that " but you are watching"
diepille12345 2 months ago
Having sex/being in a relationship with another grown up human being that agrees to it, is not the same thing as having a relationship with a child or an animal. Children cannot defend themselves and animals can certainly not defend themselves. Grown ups however can either agree to it not, and if they do agree it's their choice and their business. And why do you compare pedophiles to gay men? Isn't equally wrong for a man to sexually abuse an underaged girl as abusing an underaged boy?
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@BornADreamer
"animals can certainly not defend themselves"←Adult dog or horse can kill a human if you make them angry. You sure they can't defend themselves? Try doing something to my dog against his will and he will send you to a hospital heavily wounded. XD
By the way, adults animals can consent to sex, even with other species, as long as their mating rituals and genitals are compatible. Humans genitals are compatible with many other species and humans can mimic any species mating rituals.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I'm personally against sex with animals because we can't know for sure what they want, you can't prove that an animal agreed since it can't speak or communicate. But my point was that comparing gay relationships with pedophilia and bestiality is unfair. Love between samesex people should have been accepted ages ago, it's just as okay as hetero love. I think it's very unfair that people bring up unrelative stuff instead of just letting gay people get on with their lives.
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@BornADreamer
"I'm personally against sex with animals because we can't know for sure what they want, you can't prove that an animal agreed since it can't speak or communicate" ←By that logic, are you against people owning animals? OR against people petting animals? Because, by your logic, the animals can't communicate consent to be petted or to be some ones property. Correct?
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PS: Depends what kind of comparison is done, logical comparison can be done between pedos & zoophiles and homosexuals.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just like it's okay to pet a kid, it's fine to pet an animal. Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted it's not as terrible as being forced to sex without your consent. Animals are often treated very unfairly in general, maybe fucking them isn't the worst you can do but I don't get what you believe gives you the right? " logical comparison can be done between pedos & zoophiles and homosexuals."
What "logical" comparison are you talking about?
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@BornADreamer
"Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted it's not as terrible as being forced to sex without your consent"←WRONG both are wrong, doing something against the animal consent is wrong.
"Even if the animal didn't consent to be petted"←You just admitted they can consent to be petted, I though you said they can't consent.
I only support consensual sex, either with animals or with humans.
"What "logical" comparison are you talking about?"←I will PM you and tell you.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Right, raping someone is not worse than petting someone against their will? I hate seeing owners pick up their pets awkwardly and so on, but it's still more wrong to have intercorse with them even if it doesn't physically harm the animal. I find beastiality and pedophilia closer in comparison; kids can be sexual just as well and they may not get physically hurt by a pedophile but to mix adult and children is wrong, just like it's wrong to mix humans and animals.
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@BornADreamer
"but to mix adult and children is wrong"←Why?
"just like it's wrong to mix humans and animals."←Why?
If you only have subjective morality to say is wrong, then keep that personal opinion to yourself.
Causing unnecessary distress to an animal is legally considered animal abuse, it doesn't matter how that distress is caused (forced petting or forced sex are both equal illegal)
I think you should stop judging the zoosexuals that only have consensual sex with animals. ಠ_ಠ
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Wait, so you think it's okay to have sex with children? o.O "If you only have subjective morality to say is wrong, then keep that personal opinion to yourself." Okay, so I don't have the right to express my opinion? I've never said anything about the zoosexuals per se, I understand that the sexuality exists, I don't think they are disgusting or going to hell I'm just saying that I don't think it's okay to act out on animals, just like it's not okay to act out on children.
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@BornADreamer
Sex with children is harmful, even if it is consensual, I believe that harming others is wrong.
Ok, sorry about that, let me say it in a different way: Feel free to give your opinion, as long as it doesn't turn into hate speech. Hate speech = illegal, freedom of speech = legal.
But your reason to say that makes no sense, adult animals are nothing like children. Even if that where true, it is still legal to act on adult animals, while it is illegal to act on a child.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I think it's much worse to have sex with children than adult animals that "agree" to it, but it's the part about agreeing that is too unclear with animals. If every zoophile was Ceasar Millan then fine, no one's hurt and everyone's happy, but the risk is high that animals that doesn't consent get molested/raped, and they can't testify or sue anyone. I think if we include animals as an alternetive for a sexual partner, they deserve to be treated as humans, and they're not.
BornADreamer 1 month ago
@BornADreamer
A study show that zoosexuals have higher emphatic skills than a normal non-zoo population. We are better than the average human in communicating non-verbally.
Pretty much, the majority of zoophiles are like Ceasar Millan.
"they can't testify or sue anyone"←That is also true for non-sexual animal abuse, anyone can abuse their pets behind closed doors. Should we make animal ownership illegal to protect animals from abuse? Then why make all sex with animals illegal? ;)
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo There's still a high risk of people getting away with hurting animals. People abuse and harm animals in other ways too and yes, I think you should earn a right to own an animal, just like you should earn the right to have children, because people are idiots. Although I don't know if it would change for the better if they made a law for that. Adult humans that can consent, defend themself or at least seek help is the safest and most fair group to be sexual with.
BornADreamer 1 month ago
@BornADreamer
I agree with you, people should be screened to own pets (pretty much how we screen people who adopt babies)
But for now, it would be UNFAIR to make it illegal to have sex with animals just because some idiots do the same while harming the animal. Doing that would be like making animal ownership illegal just because some idiots will abuse their pets. Or making dog training illegal, just because some idiots use abusive training methods.
Do you get my point?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I get your point, but I think legalizing beastiality would lead to a lot more animal torture, and a lot of it would be very difficult to run down simply because animals can't tell anyone, and it's near impossible to work out whether it was rape or not. It varies between species but some animals are easily manipulated; if you feed it and rape it the animal will probably come back. So how are we supposed to protect them from getting abused when it's so easy to abuse them?
BornADreamer 1 month ago
@BornADreamer
"but I think legalizing beastiality would lead to a lot more animal torture"←Currently, anyone can buy a pet and rape her/him behind closed door. Even if there was death penalty for doing it. And is not about legalizing any bestiality, only the consensual one.
"So how are we supposed to protect them from getting abused when it's so easy to abuse them?"←Exactly, only solution I can think is, to make all animal ownership illegal to protect animals from abusive humans.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo All sorts of crimes are committed behind closed doors, laws don't erase the problem. As sexpartnes animals need the same rights and responseabilites that we have; the right to have someone arrested and also responsability for not hurting others. Independent animals that aren't trained or owned are probably dangerous for humans, if they're not in their natural inviroment. So maybe consentual sex with free animals in their inviroment is another thing. Good luck with that ;)
BornADreamer 1 month ago
@BornADreamer
Animal abuse laws already can be used to punish people who sexually abuse animals but not to punish people who has consensual sex with animals, I'm totally fine with that, problem is when extra laws are made o also punish consensual sex. Know as sodomy law.
"So maybe consentual sex with free animals in their inviroment is another thing. Good luck with that"←Dogs environment is the human environment, dogs do not exist in the wild, they are human engineered species.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo I think there should be a law against any sex with animals, otherwise it's like being ok with people molesting children without leaving physical evidence and then denying the whole thing. Just like we can't put the responsability on children to decide for themselves, we can't do that to pets. Since humans own dogs I don't think it's okay to have sex with them, just like it would be wrong to have sex with another human that you "own".
BornADreamer 1 month ago
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@BornADreamer
"otherwise it's like being ok with people molesting children without leaving physical evidence and then denying the whole thing"←Leaving one as legal does not makes the other one legal. Also, sex with children is mentally harmful even if you leave no physical evidence. With adult animals this does not happen, if you have consensual sex, there will be no mental or physical harm.
Assuming human slavery where LEGAL, why it would be wrong to have sex with the slave?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Just want to add that I don't personally know you and I can't judge your sexuality since I have no clue what that is. I simply stand by my opinions on how risky and uncertain sexual relations with animals is to sort out and judge. Just like there's too many rapes in general, there are a lot of animals with no voices that are abused in different ways. Both need to be debatted and fought against, including the grey areas like "consesual" sex with animals.
BornADreamer 1 month ago
@BornADreamer since when does animal torture and abuse only mean sexual torture? I'm pretty sure abuse involves not only rape,but battering and forcing the dogs to commit acts to which harm can be brought upon himself. Its easy to tell if a dog lives in a stable enviornment based on it's behaviors
Dilan10Z 1 month ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo PS: if you can't take another person's opinion you shouldn't be debating. I can take someone not being okay with gay sex, but it's different to saying that they should die or compare it to having sex with animals or children of the same gender. That's like comparing zoophiles to those who torture animals, which doesn't necessarily have to be the same thing, although some zoophiles probably do, just like homosexuals can be rapers and pedophiles can seek help.
BornADreamer 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo "There are pedophiles and zoophiles that are homosexuals" Just like there are heterosexuals that are pedophiles or zoophiles. That's a weak argument. Heterosexuals love the opposite gender and homosexuals love the same gender. I think they should have equal rights. Pedophiles should get help to avoid assulting children. Zoophiles should (in my opinion) maybe find other ways to live out their sexuality without bringing real animals into it.
BornADreamer 2 months ago
Bestiality? Animals cannot consent, you dumbass!
MRBBJC 2 months ago
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@MRBBJC
"Bestiality? Animals cannot consent, you dumbass!"←I have a dog and he does not have a problem showing consent or denying consent to different activities. So I ask you, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT ANIMALS CAN'T CONSENT?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
this gut shut these sick mthr fkrs up lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo um um um um they didnt no weather 2 shit or go blind lol i hate 2 say it but ya gotta feel sorry 4 these fked up soils if there really is a hell these c sukers r gonna be reallllllll fkn hot this dude should be a lawyer these tinkerbells were upset cuase they had nothing 2 say lol and there LIERSSSSSSS if ur sik enough 2 sk another guys pk ur sick enough 2 be a fkn pedo
LukeTheDrifter07 2 months ago
What a hero! finally someone with the balls to stand up against the gay menace. and George Cox? Really? It would be Cox and the woman's a man! TRANNY!
Skunxful 2 months ago
the caller clearly has issues with his own sexuality, what on earth was he doing watching a gay tv channel if he hates them so much? im straight and like any straight man that is comfortable in his sexuality I have no issue's with gay people.
stusouthredbourn 2 months ago 8
Dogs Need Pleasure Too -- I'm done conversing with you as I have read other conversations between you and other users and it is completely useless. Let me put this one last feeling I have towards you out there : I hope a dog bites your dick off.
k283cst 2 months ago
@k283cst
In 19 years and after having sex with over 25 dogs, I never been bite by a dog, I only have consensual sex with them, I give them no reasons to bite, I don't do things that they dislike so they never have a reason to bite, I only do things that are neutral or that they enjoy, with gives them no reasons to attack.
As long as I stick to having consensual sex with them, I will never harm them and I will never be harm by them. :)
So your "hopes" will never come true.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo Youre sick as fuck that is horribly disgusting.
YoureIrritating 2 months ago
Seriously makes me so fucking angry that because somebody is Gay, we get referred to by some homophobic moron's as petophiles. Those Homophibic Morons are the sick fucks for even thinking something so disgusting. This moronic left winged hill billy homophobe needs to seek psychiatric help because I think he might be the Child abuser.
ashdog236 2 months ago 10
My God this caller is such an idiot
TheSparky777 2 months ago
@TheSparky777 to call homosexuality some sort of medical condition would be like calling left-handedness a medical condition. just because its a minority doesnt mean its not part of normal human development.
brndnrckn 2 months ago
@brndnrckn EXACTLY
TheSparky777 2 months ago
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Fuck the gay people?
TheMaster47x 2 months ago
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brandon9966 2 months ago
this man may have an opinion but that doesn't mean it is right.
Colormexsad 2 months ago
The reason why gay is okay but paedophilia is wrong is because women are allowed to be attracted to men and men are allowed to be attracted to women? Men and women are things that are sexually attractive. children and animals are not and it shouldn't be legal.
Xopher008 2 months ago
@Xopher008
"Men and women are things that are sexually attractive."←That is incorrect, everybody has different tastes, a minority of poeple are not heterosexuals. Having a different sexual preference is not a crime, if the person harms others with their sexual preference, that is a crime. And if the person harm himself, then that is a disorder.
Pedophilia and zoophilia are not always a crime and not always harmful to the person, so making them illegal in their totality would be unconstitutional.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
To this kind of person I always say, "If I had a good argument, or a bad one, how would you know?" Of course, that only satisfies me. :)
jcisbell 2 months ago
That guy at :18 is so freaking HOT!!!!!!
rudemood2011 2 months ago
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A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
Neither the hosts nor the caller were prepared for this argument.
We as a community have decided that human beings reach a certain age (generally 18) at which point we are capable of making informed sexual decisions.
Children are incapable of giving informed consent due to their age, animals due to their inability to communicate with humans.
This is the difference between homosexuality, bestiality and paedophilia. Wanting to be with another man makes you neither an animal nor a child
maxyb93 2 months ago
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Here's a video you should watch here on you tube:
The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine
Also just google:
GAY BRAIN
And you're going to see all the recent discovery that gay man's brain is like a females and Lesbians brains are like males.
Scientifictly proven, that is NOT A CHOICE, you are who you are since the night your parents... well... you know... and here we are!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
the caller was right though they were trying to avoid the subject by bringing up irrelevant things.
ColdMorningStrangler 2 months ago
This guy is saying that NAMBLA is full of gays and thats why they fiddle with boys!
Now, in that same logic, you can accuse all straight men for being pedos simply because a few tickle little girls!
He is a fucking bigot, and a stupid one at that.
FatRakoon 2 months ago
the caller sounds so desperate a bit of hard cock action!
WlNDAGO 2 months ago 13
god there are some stupid people in the world, I wish homophobic people could hear how unintelligent and hateful they sound (or maybe that's what they're going for).
MrRyanSams 2 months ago
Some pedophiles are gay men but the majority are straight men who rape little girls, does that mean straight guys are all pedos? Bigot needs critical thinking skills
Not to mention that pedophilia and bestiality involve rape, while being gay only results in rape in actual acts of rape.
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 3 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"Not to mention that pedophilia and bestiality involve rape"←That is partially incorrect.
Not all pedophiles are rapists. An not all people that do bestiality rape animals, as consensual sex with adult animals is a fact.
PS: How hypocritical to say that generalizing that homosexuals or heterosexuals are pedophiles is wrong, yet you wrongly generalize that all pedophiles and zoosexuals are rapists... ⇎_⇎''
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo
Pedophiles are rapist for the fact that they're having sex with a being who hasn't the mental capacity to make a willing decision of this magnitude. It's very easy for an adult to manipulate a child into all sorts of things, only for these kids to grow-up realizing that they were actually molested and didn't want to partake in such acts but were too naive to understand what they were doing.
I won't even go there with screwing animals, there's no actual consent here, period
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"Pedophiles are rapist for the fact that they're having sex with a being who hasn't the mental capacity to make a willing decision of this magnitude"←Why you assume that all pedophiles have sex with children? Like I said not all pedophiles are rapists, most of them know is either wrong or illegal to do that, and live normal lives without ever doing that.
"I won't even go there with screwing animals, there's no actual consent here, period"←Where is your evidence of that?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo
Of course not all pedophiles have sex with children, but by the very nature of their desires they seek to. If it were totally legal and socially acceptable for them to do so they probably all would act on those desires
""Where is your evidence of that?""
They're an animal, why would this require any more evidence? Oh wait, I just saw your profile, fucking nasty
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
See, calling pedophiles that chose to not have sex rapists is wrong, that is why you should not generalize that all pedophiles are rapists. They already have a hard time, they don't need people calling them rapists when they are choosing to not rape. PS: Sex with children is harmful so can't be legal.
-Because without evidence, people can just claim anything to be true when is not.
-If you believe adult animals can't consent to sex, then either you are lying or misinformed.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo
You have no way of accurately indicating if you're hurting an animal when you're engaging in sexual acts with it, that's why it's wrong. Pets are a lot like children in that they're dependent on their "pack leader", the owner, for their livelihood; to take advantage of their inferior position by enforcing your sickness on them for pleasure is wrong
And no, I don't think pedophiles are rapists, but pedophilia IS because it requires invasive action on the pedophiles part
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"You have no way of accurately indicating if you're hurting an animal when you're engaging in sexual acts with it"←Why you believe that???
"to take advantage of their inferior position by enforcing"←Who said anything about forcing? I only support and do consensual sex. And... taking advantage of animals without harming them is 100% legal.
Pedophilia is harmless, child molestation is harmful, not all pedophiles are child molesters. Understand? Child molesters are the bad guy.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo
It's not a matter of belief; animals cannot communicate with us in any intelligible manner, they're also not capable of understanding freewill like we do as they tend to function under a primitive understanding where the alpha makes the rules, and thus they will follow them
""Pedophilia is harmless""
Having sex with children is NOT harmless, I've been over this will you already. Just like animals, children are not capable of consenting willingly
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
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@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"animals cannot communicate with us in any intelligible manner"←Ethologists have decipher the animal language so humans can understand what animals are communicating. Didn't you know that? Try Googleling "dog body language" for example.
You ever had dogs or cats as pets? IF you did, you should know how they use language to communicate with humans.
"Having sex with children is NOT harmless"←I said pedophilia ಠ_ಠ pedophilia doesn't mean sex with children... *face palm*
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
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@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"they're also not capable of understanding freewill like we do"
Can I see evidence that statement is true?
Can I see evidence that not understanding free will makes relationship with them unethical?
How may zoosexuals you know? Have you see the relationship they have with their animal lover/lovers? Funny because I can't force my dog to love me or have sex with me if he doesn't want (I could rape him but I happen to find rape unethical) so where is your evidence?
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
@DogsneedpIeasuretoo
They're of a different species that cannot coherently communicate with us, which does not require proof as it's flipping obvious. When's the last time you had a conversation with an animal?.....never
Nor do I need to provide evidence that lacking freewill is unethical; if you believe it's acceptable to enforce yourself on another without their consent you're a piece of shit
You animal rapists need to be sent to a mental ward, stat
LadyAmaltheaUnicorn 2 months ago
@LadyAmaltheaUnicorn
"They're of a different species that cannot coherently communicate with us"←Ethology studies made about animal language proof they can coherently communicate simple ideas with humans. Where is your evidence that they can't?
Today I had simple conversations with my dogs. :D
"Nor do I need to provide evidence"←We live in a world mostly ruled by secularism, you do have to provide evidence.
PS: I don't belie is ethical to rape, which is why I only have consensual sex with dogs.
DogsneedpIeasuretoo 2 months ago
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Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have successfuly framed themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
lightandbeautiful 3 months ago