Johann Hari vs Hizb Ut Tahrir - Part 2

[AbuAbdullahUK]

The two Shaykhs, al-Albani and Muqbil on Hizb ut tahrir:

/watch?v=6c8undwTQE8&feature=f­eedbul

and

/watch?v=7naVnRf4nzg

[truth1z]

I think Hari is afraid to Islamic Caliphate or Islamic law , he don't know about complete islamic culture and values because unfortunately now a days we can't see Islamic state all over the world. But Islamic shariah is the best solution of this humanity.

[truth1z]

I think Hari is afraid to Islamic Caliphate or Islamic law , he don't know about complete islamic culture and values because unfortunately now a days we can't see Islamic state all over the world. But Islamic shariah is the best solution of this humanity.

[hydromalik]

Secular Liberialism = No rules = Immorality= Satanism

Sharia law = Rightouness = Purity = Rules=Modesty=Fairness

[volound]

constant tu qoques and red herrings from sajjad khan.

and what a fucking horrible whiny voice he has.

[0mniaV1nc1t]

Whether you agree with Hari on the war, he supported it in good faith. In principle, I was in support of removing the murderous regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq - the handling of it was the problem. Khan talks about the imposition of 'values' but what he actually means are rights and freedoms.

[omegavalerius]

@0mniaV1nc1t

We have to blame ourselves in Europe atleast partly for what for example happened in Iraq. If we wish to see some of the most horrible tyrants gone but don't come up with the courage to get the job done it will ultimately be done by the Americans. That means we can expect a swift and victorious war followed by a long period of wanking about, not winning the peace.

[0mniaV1nc1t]

@omegavalerius I agree. Like I said, the way the situation in Iraq was handled was horrible, and a prime example of American triumphalism.

[AbuAbdullahUK]

Learn more about Hizb ut tahrir, here:

/watch?v=XGe2IsfM6wk

Or type: Abu Khadeejah on Hizb ut-Tahrir Taqi ud-Din an-Nabahani Khawarij Takfir Sufi (on the search bar)

[Darulislam1]

@AbuAbdullahUK

abu khadeejah is a fasiq who has no knowledge of the deen

he talks for the sake of talking and his al wala wal bara and allegiance is to the kufaar

while he attacks muslims and praises the shayateen.

May Allah aza wa jal guide him or destroy him.

[MuslimVlogGuy]

@Darulislam1

May Allaah preserve Abu Khadeejah and let him continue to humiliate you fools. He speaks truth. And btw your two kabeeths are wiped off this planet. Anwar and Osama.

[Darulislam1]

@MuslimVlogGuy

Lol funny how someone people new to the deen such as yourself only see black and white.

yes i immensly respected those 2 brothers and inshaAllah they dies shaheed.

Funny how in the history of Islam the ones on the haq are the most hated by the kufaar and the ones on bidah are close friends with the kufaar.

Ask abu khadeejah al bakistaani what happend when he went to bosnia LOL

[MuslimVlogGuy]

@Darulislam1

Yeah I see the good and the evil. I forbid them. Only fools see this deen as a gray area. You guys love the kuffar. You listen to them in the news. You worship their televisions shows etc.

[Darulislam1]

@MuslimVlogGuy

Who is you guys lol

thats what i meant with seeing everythin in black and white

the ummah isnt divided into madkhali v jihadi

LOL @ worship their tv shows hahaha good one

Did u read that on a pdf?

dont start something your mubtadee self cant finish

[MuslimVlogGuy]

@Darulislam1

You kharajee supporters dont support forbidding the evil. You think enjoining everything gets you into jannah. then you make takfeer on those who want to forbid the evil

[Darulislam1]

@MuslimVlogGuy

Lol at making takfeer.

The great ulema of the past were very wary of doing takfeer so i abstain from it aswell

However, exposing zindeeqs and munafiqs is another thing.

Ask your sheikh madkhali to teach you about takfeer when he's done making sujuud to idol...i mean his ruler

[MuslimVlogGuy]

@Darulislam1

I didn't make takfeer you bin laden monkey. But it seems you have. They are khawarij, and truth always prevails.

[Darulislam1]

hahahahaha kharijee?

i dare you to go read the descriptions of the khawaarij and than look in the miror.

those defending the ummah with their wealth and life are the one forbidding the evil not the fat rich fools that

sit in palaces making fatawa against defenfing the muslims in iraq and afghanistan while allowing kufaar to live in their lands

[AbuAbdullahUK]

Just type: YOUTUBE(.)COM like you normally do, then copy and paste this next to it:

/watch?v=XGe2IsfM6wk

[Darulislam1]

@AbuAbdullahUK

Talafi zindeeq



[ZobaK1]

waist of time to talking with totalitarians stupid monkeys!

sharia and kaliphate is the way! ha, ha, ha!

another dictatorship! fuck off you nazi pig!

[ZobaK1]

waist of time to talking with totalitarians stupid monkeys!

[timetochilli]

fuck religion there we go!

[nuralanoor]

Huh? Is Johan gay? Or did I misunderstand?

[SummerHerald]

@nuralanoor he IS gay.

[H21esc]

"I believe in the freedom of half of humanity, call me crazy". Fantastic, love Johann Hari. 

[TheOrangeFondler]

@H21esc excellent quote

[jumpnjza2]

Sajjad, please address the issue regarding apostasy. Moron.

[TalkHero]

Sajjad Khan is a joke.

[flaneurdilettante]

2:55 just watch the way this imbecile barks out "how about wearing a veil in school?!?" -- the only retort he can muster, and he thinks he just scored a point that demolished Johann's argument!! So hilarious!!

[lee0slayer]

back in time, you find it was the muslims who established western values, although they went back to fundamentalism , i think thats what the guy was going on about ,

[flaneurdilettante]

@lee0slayer 'Back in time', Islam did not establish so much as one 'Western value'. Universal suffrage? No. A free press? No. Human rights? No. Perspective painting? No!

I would like to know how you manage to eat, with your head rooted so far up your anal cavity?

[lee0slayer]

@flaneurdilettante no need for the ad hominem attacks, dont be mean , let me explain what i mean. We are in debt for most of our western values where preserved by the islamic civilisation after the fall of the roman empire which had destroyed most of western values within the west apart from small pockets such as ireland. Ultimately the greeks created western culture ( so i was wrong there !) but we owe the islamic world for its preservation when it was lost in in most of western civilisation:)

[belzondium]

@lee0slayer A common cliche about history with very little substance. If you're talking about the writings of the classical Greeks, those were preserved for us uninteruptedly by the Byzantines, whose empire lasted until the 16th century, long after the revival of classical learning in the West. Western civilisation stood up on its own feet -- the Arabs influenced us not as preservers of "values" (what exactly does that mean anyway?) but as direct contributors to scientific theory.

[lee0slayer]

@belzondium thanks for that insight, i was unaware that the arab world did actually contribute ( on the scientific scale that is) i am aware of the arabic contributions to mathematics, but not specifically to science :)

[chrish12345]

erry dun good

[OneBigRetard]

Oh Johann, you missed the gimme. "650,000 deaths". The Allies killed 35,000 at the outside. The rest were killed by Muslims. Essentially he suggested that by removing a dictator Muslims set to murder. Basically by removing totalitarianism you caused them them to blow up mosques.

You let that shit fly.

[hymnofashes]

I keep hearing

"Look, we're just stoning them! Calm down! You're not perfect EITHER!"

[eleuthromania]

Khan is such a power-wank-fantasist geek, probably needs a woman as property to get it on - what woman would go for this, seriously? Only joking, he is obviously a charismatic and intelligent young man.

[alexvegas]

It's really scary how Khan doesn't deny any of Hari's accusations about his advocation of execution for various things.

[RationalConclusion]

Hari absolutely destroyed him.

[nemirn]

7:15

LOL!!!

"Could you please translate?"

"It means 'neither doormats nor whores'."

[leotakesleo]

Hari wackjob...doesn't even let him speak..lol...he got owned by his own aggressive tactic!! He should go back to preaching his bible thumper!

[mattiscat]

His voice is fucking annoying! made more irratating by his irrational bigotry!

[aversion2k]

"Wah, stop forcing on me your opinion that I should be free to have my own opinion"

[nemirn]

@aversion2k

Hahaha, Well put.

[wubbadubdub]

can hardly stand listening to this whiny bitch on the left

[Darklordabc]

call me crazy for thinking killing me is wrong

[Experiment47]

"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)." -- 9.123, Qur`an

[relarerfhjk]

Haha Hari got demolished in this debate

[tmartin85]

Really?

[Mattyb88ful]

@relarerfhjk

How so?

[relarerfhjk]

@Matty88ful

Did you not watch the debate? He murdered Hari, particularly exposing his support for the Iraq War which killed many Moslems

Go Tahir!

[Mattyb88ful]

Sajjad Khan ignorned every argument made by Hari. Whether Hari suported the Iraq War is irrelevant. The point is that Sajjad Khan and his organisation support the murder of people for merely leaving Islam, dressing in a certain way or having gay sex. Khan, however, consistently ignores this in the debate. The hateful and violent views espoused by Khan don't become 'OK' simply because his opponent happened to support a war.

TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

[relarerfhjk]

Oh stop it, your sounding silly

Khan clearly did a demolition job on silly liberal Hari here!

Sajid did not "ignore" Hari's nonsense, he pointed out that the Caliphate treated Jews better than the West, and that Moslems are happy for people not to be Moslem. Hari was using emotive argument, and he's a hypocrite as he supported war on Moslems

[tuftybox1821]

@Mattyb88ful

Very true. In logic this is known as the tu quoque fallacy.

[whitefire64]

Hari seems hypocritical when he says that children should not be allowed to wear a veil if they choose. School uniforms are dictated by a majority opinion. Is conservative dress so evil? It really depends. But assuming that because a girl wears a veil she must be "saved" from her religion is treating her the same as if she was forced to wear it.  Neither perspective considered HER opinion. I've friends who've moved to the US just so they could be free to wear the veil as students.

[realskript]

Hassan Chaudhry is the worst host and mediator i've ever seen

[realskript]

Johann Hari has very bad mannerisms.

[hyperio88]

It seems to me that everytime Sajjad tries to point out a specific problem in society Johann says he does'nt support it, like the Iraq war, domestic violence etc. What he does'nt seem to grasp however, is that the system Johann is defending is what creates these things. Blair and Bush would never have started the war if it was'nt for secular liberalism placing the rule with man. Domestic violence would'nt have been a problem if it wasnt for the culture degenerating women to a sex object.

[getupjumpy]

Domestic violence didn't exist before secular liberalism?

Fucking ridiculous

[whitefire64]

It was just hidden or differently named, aka, the idea that it is impossible for a husband to be said to have raped his wife.

[muflihuna]

@getupjumpy Yes it do and secular liberalism can't eliminate it with it's ideas and exercutive power it had.

[getupjumpy]

@muflihuna

Is the comment on exercutive (sic?) power supposed to be ironic? Have you ever even noticed the executive power of a theocratic state?

Of course it doesn't eliminate it, it's not a zero sum solution and to think that would be naive. It does reduce it massively though - look at the OECD figures on domestic violence and compare liberal democracies with theocratic countries. I can tell you, the evidence is all on my side of the argument and makes yours look embarassing.

[google123456789]

this is free speech at its best via the islam channel. ever seen such a debate on sky news or the bbc? NO.

[chrish12345]

@google123456789 yes there was one in the 80s

[viwer07]

Yeah... I believe in the freedom of half of humanity...

[chrish12345]

@viwer07 top harf or bottom

[dondidlion]

I really can't take insincere people who are rude enough to interrupt and not let the other person speak. This is Hassan's show - NOT Johann's Show. Shut up for a minute and let the presenter speak at least!

[SirCosmoBonsor]

You're clearly watching a different video to the rest of us. The presenter barely even tries to speak; when he does, he is allowed to by both guests. Watch it again.

[dilbertgeg]

I liked Johann a lot more in print. His article on ex-Jihadists. He pointed out that 93% of Muslims in London do not support a viewpoint of Islamism and violence.

Johann is SOOO obnoxious, becz he does not wait to respond.

However, to the extent Sharia Law means mandatory and violent imposition of religious and cultural values on the unwilling, I'm afraid I'd have to side with the obnoxious fruit. Dictatorships of ALL types ARE often orderly and efficient, but that does not a justify.

[Skintologist]

Superb argument, I think Johan won this bit ;)

[dondidlion]

Who knows who would have won this bit when Johann wouldn't let the other guy speak!

[chrish12345]

@dondidlion er he did

[PunkCheerleaderBetch]

Moderates and fundamentalists are both bad. Moderates are the lesser of two evils, but there is a problem with anybody that believes in imaginary beings.

[PurushaDesa]

@PunkCheerleaderBetch Mm. And the downside that Sam Harris articulates so well is that the moderates; A, become apologists for the extremists (if I hear the phrase, "But we need to understand what makes these people..."), and B, provide a civilised cover for them when in fact the core beliefs fundamentally stay the same, as they have to with the literal value ascribed to The Quran.

[tempelton]

Johann set this fundamentalist fool in his true light - a snivelling buffoon.