You call yourselves whatever you want! You are all wrong, mostly inept, and often scientifically ignorant. Just because you took physics does not mean you understood it! I doubt you know much of anything that you could not read in two minutes or watch in a similar time frame!!
I am very happy to see that more and more people are becoming informed about 9/11 and recognizing "truthers" as the simpletons and scammers they are!!
Notice the attitude portrayed in this video. Kind of a sarcastic/ridiculing type feeling. This is the tactic commonly used by members of the media and others to discredit those they don't want the majority of people to listen to. This type of thing should be ignored. The facts are what tell the story.
@Humantidote You are either being paid or threatened, or you are in on the cover-up, or you are extremely stupid or extremely naive. I would guess the former, based on your unrelenting persistence defending the gigantic lie that makes no sense and has nothing real supporting it. I see several people on here telling you to learn physics. I would say the same thing. Things behave in certain ways because the laws of physics say they must. All this mental crap won't work. Facts will prevail.
@Superman83271 Why is it that "truthers" keep mentioning laws of physics that they obviously do not understand? Those who refer to themselves as "truthers" are the most gullible sheep that ever walked the earth! They also spend an enormous amount of time yammering about free speech while constantly ignoring everyone else's right to it! And they wouldn't recognize an actual fact even if it was sticking out their collective asses!
@Superman83271 That's right. The reason you're called Truthers is the same reason the Crusaders called themselves Crusaders. For them, it sounded better than religious fanatics, butchers, and bigots. For Truthers, it sounds better than conspiracy nut. It's all in the presentation.
@Humantidote Earlier I said something like we should ignore the sarcastic or ridiculing-type feeling portrayed by people like you who support the lie. You gave everyone a perfect illustration when you said this: "And they wouldn't recognize an actual fact even if it was sticking out their collective asses." If a fact were in that position, why would it be any easier to recognize? This kind of shows your mentality, resorting to insults when you have nothing solid to base your opinion on.
notice, it's generally the "anti-truther" movement that calls for violent acts such as crushing people with stone and iron... That said, if you soundly build a steel-supported concrete structure, i will gladly stand under it for a few hours while you hold all the torches you want to it. Torch-fire will do nothing but char such a structure... but that wouldn't prove anything because jet-fuel burns much hotter... that said, if you replace torches with jet-fuel, I'll still stand there.
You actually thought this was worth producing and posting? You're so secure in the strength of your beliefs that you consider it worthwhile and amusing to imagine a scenario whereby 'truthers' die for theirs? Idiot.
Temps reported by NIST were not high enough to damage steel. NIST "final report" on WTC7 concludes that fire could not have caused collapse. Google 7TOCPJ.PDF to read the peer-reviewed scientific report of the explosives found in all dust samples from 911.This document is suitable by virtue of peer review to be used as evidence and expert testimony in court of law.The only reason all Americans don't believe use of explosives is due to suppression of evidence by mainstream news.
But I want the official story believers to risk something if THEY are wrong and they can't make the structure fall with fire. Maybe they could each put up $10...I'll bet they chicken out!
You're a complete moron for suggesting this. "Oh hey i don't like what you say, so i'm going to call you all stupid, not refute your points, lie, and hope you all die to prove your stupid, because that's not hypocritical." Are you aware of the laws of physics? Or are they created by those crazy tin foil hat wearing 9/11 truther anti-patriotic idiots to upset "real" Americans? give me a break. Your facts are wrong, your logic is wrong, and your mentality is wrong. You sir, are WRONG.
"And If They Are Right" "Well, We Can Go Over The Details After"
That is hilarious! I thought for sure you were a truster the whole video up to that point... then when I saw that I thought you were a truther and that you were being sarcastic and trying to be funny until I read the video description and realized you are a truster and were being serious! That is supposed to make the trust movement more credible? It only makes the truth movement more credible! Thanks!
So many videos explaining this false flag treason. You don't have to be a genius to know it was pre-meditated. But what now? Real evidence and a trial of the century with Bush and associates hanging like saddam. Or...
"If anyone is crazy enough to want to kill a president of the United States, he can do it. All he must be prepared to do is give his life for the president's. "
Funny enough, but UL "Underwriters Lab" apparently DID do this experiment (minus the people with torches). They built a replica floor assembly to mimic the floors above the crash zones, l believe they put 4 times the amount of weight that would have been there on 9/11 and placed it in a blast furnace for a much greater amount of time than the twin towers burnt.
GUESS WHAT, no collapse and only 4 inches of sagging by the end of the experiment, so I guess we would survive to piss on you goof :)
The way to "end" 9/11 Truth debate is by not getting into it on the web. If you jst forget about it and go about your perfectly normal life, you really won't notice any "9/11 Truthing" around you.
So, what makes debunkers so annoyed about this? If it's just a crazy "conspiracy theory," why pay attention and spent time on "debunking" and making these videos at all...?
Any intelligent person who researches the facts of 9/11 without emotion, will come to the conclusion that a true investigation is needed. This event has more contradictory evidence to the official story than any event in history. Just take the emotion out of your thoughts and a much clearer story will show itself. Is there some legitimate reason why anyone would be made fun of for wanting a real investigation?
@hhoball There has been a real investigation. Unfortunately, you, and others like you, refuse to either examine, or acknowledge the results. Instead, you put your faith in doctored videos and completely biased experiments! Then you have the gall to accuse those who hold the opposite view of behaving the way you, in fact, do!
The "official" investigations ignore known physics as well as the known construction of the buildings when they offer things like "truss theory". Truss theorists have got to be the stupidest people imaginable, they believe that there was just a few flimsy trusses supporting the floors, not the intense grid of trusses, about 80% of which were redundant. You have a lot of catching up to do, first learn physics, then find out how those buildings were constructed.
@Humantidote what real investigation? When? Where? IDIOT? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO REFUSES TO EXAMINE RESULTS!! I'm sure you think truthers want to believe this for fun or something right? Well they don't most believed the official story until real evidence (not popular mechanics and NIST coverups that actually doctor evidence and computer data) showed otherwise. Do some more research!
@hhoball any intelligent person would know that termite needs to be ignited and it would take a shit ton to cut through the beams at the WTC1,2,7. So according to the termite theory if it was there the planes would have ignited the thermite and the building would have fell instantly...
It takes very little thermite to cut through steel, if it's applied efficiently. The buildings fell into sections approximately 30 feet long, meaning there would have been cutter charges every three floors or so. And some of the thermite clearly was ignited prematurely, we saw the molten iron spewing out of the side of the building for quite some time before the buildings were demolished totally. Also, video shows huge clouds of furiously burning thermite during the demolition.
@fertilizerspike so actual science and exact proof that Steven Jones can not show the by product of thermate present in the dust is wish full thinking and ignorance? Avoid actual science and believe something that MANY of scientist have dis-credited due to the validation of the claims in his conclusion. Seems like you will only believe conspiracy people rather than actual science, logic, and credibility. I was once in your shoes and believed all this crap. Its all a load of shit.
These buildings were demolished using thermite, and most likely other explosives. We know this because we found traces of thermite in all of the WTC dust, so much that there must have been many, many tons of thermite in the buildings when they were demolished. It couldn't be a more obvious smoking gun. Huge sections of the building blasted laterally from the building flying hundreds of feet, defying the known physics of gravitational acceleration. All of it points to demolition.
@fertilizerspike I use to believe all this garbage.. it's nothing but miss information and half truth quotes. It's all a scam for money...... They all have some movie, book, something to sell you..
The misinformation is coming directly from the US government, not the people who see what's really going on. All this information is in the public domain, it doesn't matter if some people try to make money off it, it's still fact. The World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition, fire does not disintegrate steel frame skyscrapers. Thermite residue and unreacted thermite have been found in all WTC dust. Face facts, this was a false flag operation, not an attack.
You're delusional. Massive amounts of unreacted thermite were found in the dust from the World Trade Center, the observed properties of the demlition can ONLY be explained if explosives were used, you are delusional, eat my ass you fucking troll. You can't "debunk" reality, you fucking idiot. This was a controlled demlition, period, there is abundant evidence in the public domain proving it beyond doubt, go crawl back under your rock, dipfuck.
@fertilizerspike Please link me a peer reviewed article that shows this evidence.. Because I've yet to see one and any thermite claims have been disprove by reputable scientist outside of the government. Ahh last resort name calling.. Just because you saw a few movies and a couple web pages doesn't make this conspiracy true.
"Please link me a peer reviewed article that shows this evidence."
Articles are not evidence, neither is peer review, I'm talking about the actual physical evidence, which shows beyond doubt that thermite was used to demolish those buildings. Don't believe it, I don't give a shit if you want to remain ignorant. These buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, period, no other explanation fits the available evidence. Welcome to reality.
@fertilizerspike A peer reviewed article is a standing scientific document that is proven and validated to have information that is fact and is creditable by the reviewer scientists. Thermite is not a explosive. thermite was never found in the dust at the wtc's it was a hoax claim that does not have the science or facts to back it up. Again if the buildings had thermite they would have ignited as soon as the planes impacted and the building would have fell.
I see your problem, you're confusing peer review with science. Peer review is not part of science. Peer review is an irrelevant political process. These buildings were brought down by controlled demlition. If you don't think so you're incredibly ignorant or stupid or both. There is no other hypothesis that accounts for the information we have available.
@fertilizerspike Peer review is necessary to validate scientific claims because if we didn't we would have people say like they found thermite in the WTC dust lol and it be taken as fact without any validation of any evidence.
@fertilizerspike I see you're problem, you only believe conspiracy's side of this. You wont even admit most of it if factually wrong. You just blow it off as son as I disagreed and showed actual facts you started with personal insults. I've yet to use any because I don't need too. Destroying truthers is cake.
@fertilizerspike the building collapsed due to the damage done by the planes and the out of control fires inside the towers. Building 7 suffered over 25% damage from wtc1 collapsing into it and with the fires heating and weakening the steel beams the building collapsed in 13 sec, the penthouse area then the other 2 suport trusses gave way do to the weight shift.. Theres.. no conspiracy... as much as you'd been led on to beieve with half truth info, miss info, and edited or false claims.
Wrong, the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, not office fires. You're delusional. This was not a terrorist attack, it was a controlled demolition. No other hypothesis accounts for the available information. If you think otherwise you're incredibly ignorant, incredibly stupid or both. You're the one who believes in retarded conspiracy theories, like a dying man in a cave in Afghanistan demolishing the World Trade Center with box cutters. Get real.
There has been plenty of "true investigation", that's how we know this was a controlled demolition and not a terrorist attack. Clearly it was just a prelude to war, a shock trauma to get everyone (or almost everyone) on board for the endless wars the US is waging in Asia. It couldn't be more like Orwell's 1984 if they tried.
@hhoball The NIST examined multiple bomb scenarios for the falling buildings and they all demonstrated that bombs were not used. Read their report and learn about the investigation you believe never happened. Online truthers like to quote the commission report because it was not as extensive as that done by the NIST!!!
Ground zero is a very valuable piece of real-estate, how much money is being lost by leaving it a fuming wasteland island in the middle of Manhatten for ten years? Is there a reason WHY they can't build on it?
@MarkB1ngham Okay, just out of curiosity, I must ask how you have come to the conclusion that there is still a "fuming wasteland island in the middle of Manhattan" after ten years?
Is there a website that claims this?
Please provide an url that I can check up on if that is the case!!
@Humantidote I'm still waiting for your explanation for how F11's 30ft short silhouette formed SIX SECONDS after the alleged craft completely melded into the North Tower 911, anyone who thinks this is commensurate with the laws of physics should move into the cookoo clock methinks☺
your an uneducated idiot.. Lets just start with REAL science please... FACT 1; I will Gladly stand under your experiment, if all that is used is JET AIRCRAFT FUEL. { I do not recall any TORCHES being used in the 911 Commission report} Molten Steele CAN NOT BE GENERATED AT those TEMPS! IMPOSSIBLE!
2: The Laws of NEWTON are Fact and provable over and over. The 3 Most amazing{IMPOSSIBLE}collapses In world History, all occurred in a 8 hour time span, by Office Fire ?? Insane!
@23rdsngwrtr There is no need to try and melt the steel because that is not what happened! Torches are mentioned in the context of raising the temp of the steel to the temp that jet fuel would burn at.
im sorry in otherwords a shaped charge as old as explosives is can not be used with thermite in order to make any shaped cut you want? ahh as long as you kill everyone coming out of the army with any expereance at all i guess you could get away with saying that.. but you dont use thermite in a open pile the same way you dont get gunpowder to work as advertised if you just pile it in a lump. if you did this you can claim no such things as a gun as well see the exposives dont do much.
Chandler has some nerve accusing the NIST of fudging data when Chandler has been the only one guilty of such a thing!
He could not even change his video after being exposed for an analysis using a video where 30% of the remaining collapse of wtc7 is not visible! Chandler admits to it yet his collapse time remains the same? So after his stopwatch ends I suppose he decided the rest fell at light speeds which would be undetectable to the human eye?
I think its a great idea. Make a 10 story building with the same layout as the twin towers. Damage the beams said to be damaged. Set the max load limit on the roof. Then set some fires. Dont worry because if it doesnt fall in the first hour and nineteen mins everyone is safe to come out. I wouldnt think it would fall after many hours but who knows.
Hell I would take the test if you and all your duhbunker friend fliped the bill for the construction.
What I know as fact is this. A fire or progressive collaps cannot cause free fall speeds for any ammount of time period. On 9/11 we saw that two times. However NIST only admits to building 7 as having a free fall speed. Even that alone would show that there was not a progressive collaps of building 7.
I would rather be a truther that asks questions about 9/11 than a duhbunker that believes in the OCT maricles on 9/11.
Um dipshit they have said both near and free fall speeds for a long time. AE911truth has not changed much. And what they have changed was due to test on experiments that change their theories. Kind of what a real scientist does when he puts forth a theory unlike NIST.
@darion65 You don't seem to have any memory but for the word "freefall". There is a difference when you fail to discriminate between speed and acceleration like you have in your NIST claim.
@Humantidote "There is a difference when you fail to discriminate between speed and acceleration"
There's no such thing as "freefall speed".
You're embarassing yourself by not knowing basic physics concepts on top of ignoring even not just after it's been presented - NIST video which has been provided for you - but even before it - as you admitted you didn't know what my claim was about.
You're in the least suitable position to ridicule anyone. Yours is anti-skepticism.
@darion65 I will quote you "I dont have the patience to guide you thru each step of information like a child. You clearly are not a child anymore so stop asking to be shown each step piece by piece like a child."
However AETruth and Chandler DID change their story from "freefall" to "near freefall" after they were exposed for using a video that only showed the first two-thirds of the collapse!! Then AETruth and Chandler refused to change their stopwatch time even though they ended measuring the seconds BEFORE the true end of the collapse! Strange that AETruth continues to lie about who their members really are and their measured times for WTC7 collapse!!
I find it interesting and extremely revealing that those who support the official story in these posts (and many other YouTube posts about 9/11) tend to resort to name-calling and foul language, while those who support the controlled demolition theory back their claims with hard science and have the decency not to use filthy language and name-calling. Personally, I discredit anyone who uses foul language and personal affronts as an argument in debate.
*Besides, the burden of proof falls onto those who say fire could not cause the collapses, not onto those who already proved it did!!*
I love that comment. When duhbunkers like yourself get pushed into a corner you always say that. Heres also another theory yet to be proven. The fire collaps theory has yet to show any kind of concrete evidence to claim their OCT is correct.
So I ask you to show me proof of fire taking down buildings 1, 2 and 7.
@darion65 That's because we like science and the way it works!
I point to the NIST report for all the proof any reasonably intelligent person needs!
It should even be lots for someone as unintelligent as yourself!!
But, obviously not!! Also, nobody actually cares what you think anyway since you don't really matter at all. Who cares if you believe one thing or another?
So why should I care to bother with you anymore than I have?
HAHAHA wow some duhbunker you are. When push comes to shove you just run away. Hell I had better debates with duhbunkers that did nothing but call me names the entire time without proving a thing. Here I shown you proof and backed it up with factual statements. I showed you why and how NIST lied in their reports on 9/11 but you wont hear of it.
Just like a normal duhbunker if straw-man doesnt work name call. And when that fails just say Im "Not worth your time" IE run away!
*They have to back words with proof just like NIST provided for its conclusions!*
Problem with NIST is they have already been caught lying about their own theories. They pushed a theory that the redish/orange metal flowing from the towers was molten aluminum. When they did their test they failed to produce the same effect as what was seen in the video. Now here is were they are caught lying. They continue to push the theory even after their own test proved them wrong.
They analyzed the molten material seen falling from the building and identified it as aluminum! Same identification is given for the melted aluminum wheels in the underground parking garages. Let me say this to you so it is clear. NO ONE HAS PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE OF MOLTEN STEEL FROM THE WTC SITE. If anyone actually saw molten steel, then why have they not come forward with an actual claim? The only real reports are explained by the aluminum easily!
@Humantidote "They have to back words with proof just like NIST provided for its conclusions!"
Oh and, just in case you're going to care about what's supported by evidence or not sometime in the future...
Here's a simple mental exercise: what is this proof? Now, remember, "investigation" isn't proof, and neither is "NIST says so". Proof is evidence, and evidence is empirical. You should be able to name it, like "truthers" name thermitic residue found in the post-collapse dust.
@SexyMelon So rather than use the knowledge generated by a hundred years of studied fires in buildings and sophisticated computer modelling to show how it happened, they should build a 100% scale model and recreate the event in its entirety?
I don't think I want to even consider the world we would be living in if this was the only way to prove anything to an insignificant turd like you!
@darion65 Experiment is generally a good idea, in relation to anything. It's the final instance.
If you're interested, NIST have already conducted something similar, along with standard fire-tests buildings are generally subjected to (in case of, you know, fire).
I think I've seen maybe one-two "debunker" videos that are polite and/or logical in my life. This isn't one of them.
This experiment - or rather version of it that makes any actual sense - was already conducted by NIST investigation, as well as according to ASTM/UL specifications and - guess what - found no capacity for collapse in the WTC-standard floor assemblies.
Obviously enough, however, partial collapse does not always extend to total one. In fact, in steel-frame buildings, it NEVER has.
@SexyMelon I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific! Mine is "comedy" which is why I entered it under that category!
And just because you have not seen any examples of steel structure collapse, is not evidence for "NEVER". There are and there will be more in the future!
You do not even state which WTC building you are talking about regarding this mention of specs and it is still wrong!!
@Humantidote "I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific!"
I guess you're not keeping up with the research then. I suppose if you weren't interested I couldn't blame you, but since you see fit to make nonsense like this, I will.
@Humantidote@Humantidote "I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific!"
I guess you're not keeping up with the research then. I suppose if you weren't interested I couldn't blame you, but since you see fit to make nonsense like this, I will.
@SexyMelon Its because you are wrong about what you said no matter which bldg you talk about!
Get your facts straight!!
You know nothing that is correct or based on fact before stating your opinion and that is the definition of preconception you obvious english major. (that's sarcasm just so you know).
@Humantidote "Its because you are wrong about what you said no matter which bldg you talk about!"
I'm wrong about what I said even though you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Marvelous.
Do you actually realise what you're admitting to? That your judgment is based on - literally - prejudice? That you choose to reject any evidence that will prove you wrong before you've even seen it?
Hm. I try hard not to invoke Godwin, but that's the closest to Creationism I've ever seen.
tired of having zero evidence to support the official story? Tired of having to justify delusion in the face of simple facts a child could grasp. I'm tired as fuck of people too scared of questioning the reality the grew up in to ask themselves simple fucking questions about disapearing planes, molten lava, explosions, terrorists turning up alive, Agent warnings, simple physics and blatent coverups. Go stand in your quick sand of lies CUNT
@keflar5 Debate was a poor choice of words. It suggests that AETruth and others of that ilk actually have something worth debating! You have been manipulated by the whims of clowns and anti-semites who have very personal agendas for doing what they do! The Jones's are pure dogpiles and Gage is another David Koresh waiting to happen! You should be more skeptical of what they tell you than any politician or corporate monster, at least only greed drives their ambitions. But u keep listening to em!
@Humantidote wow, you are one screwed up puppy, anti semites? So you are another AshkeNAZI jew spewing your bullshit, figures. You don't have ONE DROP of semetic blood, you are a converted jew who uses the jew name to gain sympathy to peddle your sick lies. Be skeptical what any Ashkenazi jew says, they are the masters of deceit and manipulation. They look at it like a gift while the rest of the world looks at it as pure SICKNESS.You aren't semetic,you don't have ancient rights to Israel,you lie
@keflar5 The immaturity behind that comment of yours is staggering. The internet would be a very different experience entirely if anonymity was not possible. We (humanity) both benefit and suffer because of that fact. I do, however, have to thank people like you for making me truly understand that!
I will no longer allow my emotions to steer any reactions such that I debase my own argument by responding with an attitude similar to yours!!
Sorry that was not jelinto I meant to answer here. My Bad!
Chandler's video shows the Q's he raised at the Draft Report, that is when the NIST took input from other engineers about the findings so they could include those considerations in the final report. What Chandler doesn't use is the final report where they address the free fall speeds in detail!! When several engineers decided to show the public what was wrong with Chandler's analysis, the highschool teacher removed his videos, why?
There is no way to mess with videos on Chandler's youtube account so why would he remove them rather than counter what they said about them like he seems to always be doing? Maybe you guys can ask Chandler about that and see if he answers!
To stop the insanity we need an new investgation 6 of 10 911 comision report dont belive the storie. Why was nist hidden videos of witnesses saying bomd before the plane. Why was information withheld Is there anything about world trade center 7 in the report. We won a lawsuit and nist had 2 release 5 teri bites of info in september. A lot of witnesses on that day talk about bomds And also the comunication of ny firefiters talking about 3rd and 4th exslosings. We killed how many in afganitan
@pmurraybabii1 It is getting kind of stale hearing you truthers who are obviously stuck in the past and know nothing of the NIST's three year investigation into the collapse of WTC 7!
It's the one that came out after the NIST Report on WTC 1&2!
You can at least be up to date with your foolishness!
@pmurraybabii1 I know the firefighters in NY are tired of hearing AETruth and others act like they are speaking on their behalf! You do not have any respect for them or any of the victims of 9/11! Your whole line about truth is a selfish expression of self-importance and intolerance for the views and judgment of other people!
Do not even presume to think that your behaviour is sympathetic towards the plight of others! All of your surfing and comments serve you alone and not humanity or justice!
@Humantidote Hey dummy, how bout nyccan dot org? or...Building what? These ARE FAMILY MEMBERS and first responders as well as those who escaped the collapses. They want a new investigation, what about the firefighters for 9/11 truth? How bout 3/4's of the world KNOWING 9/11 is a lie? You admonish others while you sit in front of your TV and listen to Bill O'reilly spew lie after lie and believe him. You and your ilk is what is KILLING humanity, so STFU.
@jelinto The explanations are all in their reports. READ THEM since you have not. And I only accept the reports by scientific groups like the NIST who have credentials that are verifiable, unlike those produced by unknown people who post youtube videos that claim to be science but have nothing to back it up. So just go back to your websites and loose change videos and continue accepting the scientific theories of whoever since it works so well for you. Science is made credible by the institution
Do you make ANY argument that doesn't sound COMPLETELY insane? How could you possibly know if I've read them? Can you not see the stupidity in criminals investigating their own crime?
"...videos that claim to be science but have nothing to back it up"??? WTF??? REAL EXPERIMENTS AREN'T ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR WORLD? Loose Change? Who said anything about that?
Man, you're either seriously dummied down or just playing stupid. The jig is up. C'ya!
@jelinto How do you come to the conclusion that the NIST are the criminals?
The expert body of scientists and engineers who work for a 100 yr old organization that investigates building fires and collapses are what? Part of a conspiracy?
Who is not part of it sounds like a shorter list! And why go all psycho at the mention of Loose Change? Did I nail it with a first guess or something. You guys are so predictable.
@jelinto If you wonder where their experiments are and they are described in their reports then is it not rather easy to assume you have not read them? Otherwise you would know what they did and how!!
@jelinto What is it you expect? What more do you need beyond a description of the process of experimentation and investigation, a reality show of some kind? How was it different from any other formal investigation?
What is your proof that they are lying and part of a conspiracy to withhold the truth?
Or is it just because they did not give you the answer you want? You don't really care about what actually happened, you just want a vindicating answer!
@Humantidote What more do I want beyond a "description" of the process? How about an ACTUAL experiment, like as in what was shown in the links I originally provided you.
THAT'S WHAT SCIENCE IS!!! Not, "Hey, just take our word for it, because we're a government agency and you can trust us, and if the government were lying we'd get to the bottom of it."
Please, go sell crazy to someone else. You're nonsense ain't working on me. Have you been able to fool anyone beyond the usual suspects?
@jelinto Sorry, but Cole's little experiments are about as scientific as my joke proposal. If those videos are enough for you to cast doubt on the NIST investigation and its recommendations then you have some distinctly separate issues to deal with before you are even capable of being receptive of reality and what is real and what is not. As hard as it is to say this about someone I don't even know, I feel very sorry for you and I do not understand the influences steering your thought processes.
@jelinto I apologize for sending you a reply previously that was meant for someone else's comment!
I do not bother with irrational individuals who disregard what qualifies as legitimate information and lack objectivity! I only offer resources that are time consuming to search for, so that sincere people have access to it and compare AETruth claims to accurate info allowing them to honestly make up their own minds! And I am overly optimistic when judging that sincerity despite experience!!!
@Humantidote with computer modeling, you can make an elephant hang on to a daisy as he hangs over a cliff and pass it off as being possible. SO, once again, STFU.
@blite13 That reference to theoretical physics in Stone's JFK about the "magic bullet" is nothing more than a line in a movie!
Do you know the difference between fiction and reality?
Or do you let movies dictate reality to you?
If so, I am surprised 9/11 holds any interest to you when so many other incredible things are happening in your world, like battles with aliens and other such excitement!
@blite13 Actually, computer modelling designs skyscrapers, automobiles, TVs, cellphones, etc before they are built and they all seem to be working for you just fine!
@jelinto Describe an experiment that would adequately satisfy your questions. And who would have to conduct it so that you would be sure that no one in the conspiracy could steer the result? No need to be too specific, just a general idea what they would need to test. Is it to test for thermite or something else? I just want to know which theory yours since there are so many.
WHY oh why don't these official story huggers not put their money where their mouths are, take NIST's WTC7 collapse data , do a bit of tweaking and PATENT office fire controlled demolition?☺
@MarkB1ngham Oh hey truther with the no-plane theory! tell the world here about your silhouette evidence that knocks down all the photos and video that we morons use despite the existence of this newer and more definitive media!!
My grandparents called. Their kookoo bird is missing, so get back in the clock!
@Humantidote open minded youtubers go to 'the plane facts' by simon shack and see how in the Naudet brothers film that was used as pretext by the neocons to go kill millions of innocent towelheads, the so called plane penetrates the north tower then SIX SECONDS+ AFTER... THE 30FT SHORT 'plane silhouette'forms!! deelayed reaction out of shock? humantide can stamp his little feet all he wants, it's clear PROOF of fakery!
BY THE WAY TRUTHERS, THE NIST REPORT DID AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE ANSWERS TO THE POSSIBILITY EXPLOSIVES WERE USED IN THE ATTACKS AND DID USE THE EXPERTISE OF DEMOLITION ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE THAT THEY WERE NOT USED!!
A VERY DETAILED AND CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THAT CLAIM!!
SO STOP TELLING PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT YOUR QUESTIONS TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED!
YOU ARE EITHER IGNORING THAT THE NIST DID THE INVESTIGATIONS OR YOU SIMPLY NEVER BOTHERED TO CHECK!!
"pretty unstable after the falling debris knocked 25% of its supportive structure on the bottom of the south side!"
I was joking about God playing jenga, of course. He was playing lumberjack that day. Hacked a big chunk out at the bottom of one side, and then, instead of yelling "TIIIIIIIIIMBER" he said "nah, just FALL STRAIGHT DOWN" because hey, he's god, and he wanted to show us all how cool he is, being able to do stuff like that.
If they're right I'll give AJ my entire fortune.
Weirdo10o4 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Here is a somewhat more sophisticated experiment:
watch?v=ZT4BXIpdIdo
psikeyhackr 1 month ago
I love it when a twoofer cites some footage that they claim is evidence for the violation of some physical law!
Humantidote 4 months ago
@DeepSpace8andahalf
Darwin award nominee
Denierbud11 4 months ago
48 Twoofers know how to use a thumbs-down button, the rest aren't even that highly educated.
RoadRunnerLaser 4 months ago
You call yourselves whatever you want! You are all wrong, mostly inept, and often scientifically ignorant. Just because you took physics does not mean you understood it! I doubt you know much of anything that you could not read in two minutes or watch in a similar time frame!!
Humantidote 8 months ago
nobody will 'check out' your Blog as you are retarded
thisisyourwakeup 8 months ago 3
@thisisyourwakeup Go bug someone else who did not like your bullshit video troll!!
Humantidote 8 months ago
I am very happy to see that more and more people are becoming informed about 9/11 and recognizing "truthers" as the simpletons and scammers they are!!
Humantidote 8 months ago
remarkably stupid
thisisyourwakeup 8 months ago
@thisisyourwakeup The comment of a remarkable loser!
Humantidote 8 months ago
Notice the attitude portrayed in this video. Kind of a sarcastic/ridiculing type feeling. This is the tactic commonly used by members of the media and others to discredit those they don't want the majority of people to listen to. This type of thing should be ignored. The facts are what tell the story.
Superman83271 8 months ago
@Superman83271 Yes, the facts do tell the story and you should seek them out rather than read websites and articles based on nonsense and paranoia!!!
Humantidote 8 months ago
@Humantidote You are either being paid or threatened, or you are in on the cover-up, or you are extremely stupid or extremely naive. I would guess the former, based on your unrelenting persistence defending the gigantic lie that makes no sense and has nothing real supporting it. I see several people on here telling you to learn physics. I would say the same thing. Things behave in certain ways because the laws of physics say they must. All this mental crap won't work. Facts will prevail.
Superman83271 8 months ago
@Superman83271 Why is it that "truthers" keep mentioning laws of physics that they obviously do not understand? Those who refer to themselves as "truthers" are the most gullible sheep that ever walked the earth! They also spend an enormous amount of time yammering about free speech while constantly ignoring everyone else's right to it! And they wouldn't recognize an actual fact even if it was sticking out their collective asses!
Humantidote 8 months ago
@Humantidote I did have physics in college. And there is a reason why we are called "Truthers."
Superman83271 8 months ago
@Superman83271 That's right. The reason you're called Truthers is the same reason the Crusaders called themselves Crusaders. For them, it sounded better than religious fanatics, butchers, and bigots. For Truthers, it sounds better than conspiracy nut. It's all in the presentation.
EquestriaDJ 5 months ago
@Humantidote Earlier I said something like we should ignore the sarcastic or ridiculing-type feeling portrayed by people like you who support the lie. You gave everyone a perfect illustration when you said this: "And they wouldn't recognize an actual fact even if it was sticking out their collective asses." If a fact were in that position, why would it be any easier to recognize? This kind of shows your mentality, resorting to insults when you have nothing solid to base your opinion on.
Superman83271 5 months ago
Do you know conservation of momentum and newton's third law???
TheGrinningSkull 9 months ago
shill shill shill
Uploader = human shit stain
buffboynick 10 months ago
notice, it's generally the "anti-truther" movement that calls for violent acts such as crushing people with stone and iron... That said, if you soundly build a steel-supported concrete structure, i will gladly stand under it for a few hours while you hold all the torches you want to it. Torch-fire will do nothing but char such a structure... but that wouldn't prove anything because jet-fuel burns much hotter... that said, if you replace torches with jet-fuel, I'll still stand there.
zakquack 11 months ago
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deanpatane 11 months ago
You actually thought this was worth producing and posting? You're so secure in the strength of your beliefs that you consider it worthwhile and amusing to imagine a scenario whereby 'truthers' die for theirs? Idiot.
FauxWar 11 months ago
Isaac Newtons Laws of Motions - You can't debate that. But if you think you can, good luck to you *thumbs up* 9/11 was an inside job. Wake up.
onetwentysecs 1 year ago
Temps reported by NIST were not high enough to damage steel. NIST "final report" on WTC7 concludes that fire could not have caused collapse. Google 7TOCPJ.PDF to read the peer-reviewed scientific report of the explosives found in all dust samples from 911.This document is suitable by virtue of peer review to be used as evidence and expert testimony in court of law.The only reason all Americans don't believe use of explosives is due to suppression of evidence by mainstream news.
TetraLiteProductions 1 year ago
I'm ready!
But I want the official story believers to risk something if THEY are wrong and they can't make the structure fall with fire. Maybe they could each put up $10...I'll bet they chicken out!
Skeptic121 1 year ago
You're a complete moron for suggesting this. "Oh hey i don't like what you say, so i'm going to call you all stupid, not refute your points, lie, and hope you all die to prove your stupid, because that's not hypocritical." Are you aware of the laws of physics? Or are they created by those crazy tin foil hat wearing 9/11 truther anti-patriotic idiots to upset "real" Americans? give me a break. Your facts are wrong, your logic is wrong, and your mentality is wrong. You sir, are WRONG.
techmosis 1 year ago
Must be rapin you to so say aaaaaaaaaaa
hard2grow 1 year ago
Mabye he's raping her to stick your head back in the sand little rapest
hard2grow 1 year ago
These are the same people who do and say nothing for years as his sisters are being raped by his own father
hard2grow 1 year ago
At the end of the video...
"And If They Are Right" "Well, We Can Go Over The Details After"
That is hilarious! I thought for sure you were a truster the whole video up to that point... then when I saw that I thought you were a truther and that you were being sarcastic and trying to be funny until I read the video description and realized you are a truster and were being serious! That is supposed to make the trust movement more credible? It only makes the truth movement more credible! Thanks!
DiabloUniverse 1 year ago
So many videos explaining this false flag treason. You don't have to be a genius to know it was pre-meditated. But what now? Real evidence and a trial of the century with Bush and associates hanging like saddam. Or...
"If anyone is crazy enough to want to kill a president of the United States, he can do it. All he must be prepared to do is give his life for the president's. "
John F. Kennedy
SojournerLi 1 year ago
Funny enough, but UL "Underwriters Lab" apparently DID do this experiment (minus the people with torches). They built a replica floor assembly to mimic the floors above the crash zones, l believe they put 4 times the amount of weight that would have been there on 9/11 and placed it in a blast furnace for a much greater amount of time than the twin towers burnt.
GUESS WHAT, no collapse and only 4 inches of sagging by the end of the experiment, so I guess we would survive to piss on you goof :)
NeilCrouse 1 year ago 2
The way to "end" 9/11 Truth debate is by not getting into it on the web. If you jst forget about it and go about your perfectly normal life, you really won't notice any "9/11 Truthing" around you.
So, what makes debunkers so annoyed about this? If it's just a crazy "conspiracy theory," why pay attention and spent time on "debunking" and making these videos at all...?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974 Bravo, just put your head in the sand and all will be well. Worked well for the Aztec's eh?
NeilCrouse 1 year ago
LOL
skibee50 1 year ago
Any intelligent person who researches the facts of 9/11 without emotion, will come to the conclusion that a true investigation is needed. This event has more contradictory evidence to the official story than any event in history. Just take the emotion out of your thoughts and a much clearer story will show itself. Is there some legitimate reason why anyone would be made fun of for wanting a real investigation?
hhoball 1 year ago
@hhoball There has been a real investigation. Unfortunately, you, and others like you, refuse to either examine, or acknowledge the results. Instead, you put your faith in doctored videos and completely biased experiments! Then you have the gall to accuse those who hold the opposite view of behaving the way you, in fact, do!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
The "official" investigations ignore known physics as well as the known construction of the buildings when they offer things like "truss theory". Truss theorists have got to be the stupidest people imaginable, they believe that there was just a few flimsy trusses supporting the floors, not the intense grid of trusses, about 80% of which were redundant. You have a lot of catching up to do, first learn physics, then find out how those buildings were constructed.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@Humantidote what real investigation? When? Where? IDIOT? YOU ARE THE ONE WHO REFUSES TO EXAMINE RESULTS!! I'm sure you think truthers want to believe this for fun or something right? Well they don't most believed the official story until real evidence (not popular mechanics and NIST coverups that actually doctor evidence and computer data) showed otherwise. Do some more research!
matthockey1630 10 months ago
@Humantidote And you are a moron.
rizonman 10 months ago
@hhoball
The end of this farce describes the poster perfectly "Simple" nuff said.
bacon1k 11 months ago
@hhoball any intelligent person would know that termite needs to be ignited and it would take a shit ton to cut through the beams at the WTC1,2,7. So according to the termite theory if it was there the planes would have ignited the thermite and the building would have fell instantly...
bigj70634 11 months ago
@bigj70634
It takes very little thermite to cut through steel, if it's applied efficiently. The buildings fell into sections approximately 30 feet long, meaning there would have been cutter charges every three floors or so. And some of the thermite clearly was ignited prematurely, we saw the molten iron spewing out of the side of the building for quite some time before the buildings were demolished totally. Also, video shows huge clouds of furiously burning thermite during the demolition.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike watch?v=OWpC_1WP8do
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
seen it, it's all wishful thinking and ignorance
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike so actual science and exact proof that Steven Jones can not show the by product of thermate present in the dust is wish full thinking and ignorance? Avoid actual science and believe something that MANY of scientist have dis-credited due to the validation of the claims in his conclusion. Seems like you will only believe conspiracy people rather than actual science, logic, and credibility. I was once in your shoes and believed all this crap. Its all a load of shit.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
These buildings were demolished using thermite, and most likely other explosives. We know this because we found traces of thermite in all of the WTC dust, so much that there must have been many, many tons of thermite in the buildings when they were demolished. It couldn't be a more obvious smoking gun. Huge sections of the building blasted laterally from the building flying hundreds of feet, defying the known physics of gravitational acceleration. All of it points to demolition.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike I use to believe all this garbage.. it's nothing but miss information and half truth quotes. It's all a scam for money...... They all have some movie, book, something to sell you..
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
The misinformation is coming directly from the US government, not the people who see what's really going on. All this information is in the public domain, it doesn't matter if some people try to make money off it, it's still fact. The World Trade Center was brought down by controlled demolition, fire does not disintegrate steel frame skyscrapers. Thermite residue and unreacted thermite have been found in all WTC dust. Face facts, this was a false flag operation, not an attack.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike All these theories have been debunked and proven wrong in fact the thermite is a bogus claim.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
You're delusional. Massive amounts of unreacted thermite were found in the dust from the World Trade Center, the observed properties of the demlition can ONLY be explained if explosives were used, you are delusional, eat my ass you fucking troll. You can't "debunk" reality, you fucking idiot. This was a controlled demlition, period, there is abundant evidence in the public domain proving it beyond doubt, go crawl back under your rock, dipfuck.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike Please link me a peer reviewed article that shows this evidence.. Because I've yet to see one and any thermite claims have been disprove by reputable scientist outside of the government. Ahh last resort name calling.. Just because you saw a few movies and a couple web pages doesn't make this conspiracy true.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634 said:
"Please link me a peer reviewed article that shows this evidence."
Articles are not evidence, neither is peer review, I'm talking about the actual physical evidence, which shows beyond doubt that thermite was used to demolish those buildings. Don't believe it, I don't give a shit if you want to remain ignorant. These buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, period, no other explanation fits the available evidence. Welcome to reality.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike A peer reviewed article is a standing scientific document that is proven and validated to have information that is fact and is creditable by the reviewer scientists. Thermite is not a explosive. thermite was never found in the dust at the wtc's it was a hoax claim that does not have the science or facts to back it up. Again if the buildings had thermite they would have ignited as soon as the planes impacted and the building would have fell.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
I see your problem, you're confusing peer review with science. Peer review is not part of science. Peer review is an irrelevant political process. These buildings were brought down by controlled demlition. If you don't think so you're incredibly ignorant or stupid or both. There is no other hypothesis that accounts for the information we have available.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike Peer review is necessary to validate scientific claims because if we didn't we would have people say like they found thermite in the WTC dust lol and it be taken as fact without any validation of any evidence.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
Peer review is an irrelevant political process, not part of science.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike You apparently know nothing!
Humantidote 8 months ago
@fertilizerspike
bigj70634 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike I see you're problem, you only believe conspiracy's side of this. You wont even admit most of it if factually wrong. You just blow it off as son as I disagreed and showed actual facts you started with personal insults. I've yet to use any because I don't need too. Destroying truthers is cake.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike the building collapsed due to the damage done by the planes and the out of control fires inside the towers. Building 7 suffered over 25% damage from wtc1 collapsing into it and with the fires heating and weakening the steel beams the building collapsed in 13 sec, the penthouse area then the other 2 suport trusses gave way do to the weight shift.. Theres.. no conspiracy... as much as you'd been led on to beieve with half truth info, miss info, and edited or false claims.
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
Wrong, the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, not office fires. You're delusional. This was not a terrorist attack, it was a controlled demolition. No other hypothesis accounts for the available information. If you think otherwise you're incredibly ignorant, incredibly stupid or both. You're the one who believes in retarded conspiracy theories, like a dying man in a cave in Afghanistan demolishing the World Trade Center with box cutters. Get real.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike yeah thermite an explosive.. thats a new one..
bigj70634 10 months ago
@fertilizerspike watch?v=l3ZBEmjzwLg
bigj70634 10 months ago
@bigj70634
See the video clip on my channel that shows quite clearly there is thermite burning furiously all through the towers as they were disintegrating.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@hhoball
There has been plenty of "true investigation", that's how we know this was a controlled demolition and not a terrorist attack. Clearly it was just a prelude to war, a shock trauma to get everyone (or almost everyone) on board for the endless wars the US is waging in Asia. It couldn't be more like Orwell's 1984 if they tried.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
@hhoball The NIST examined multiple bomb scenarios for the falling buildings and they all demonstrated that bombs were not used. Read their report and learn about the investigation you believe never happened. Online truthers like to quote the commission report because it was not as extensive as that done by the NIST!!!
Humantidote 10 months ago
@robinmorningstar1 I refudiate that remark!
Humantidote 1 year ago
Moderately funny, but you'd be totally right about the Darwing Award.
BlinkingBulbStudios 1 year ago
Wow...what a brilliant experiment. Sir, you're a d**k.
robinmorningstar1 1 year ago 3
Ground zero is a very valuable piece of real-estate, how much money is being lost by leaving it a fuming wasteland island in the middle of Manhatten for ten years? Is there a reason WHY they can't build on it?
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham ??
You must be kidding, right?
You can't possibly be THAT misinformed, could you?
Humantidote 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham Okay, just out of curiosity, I must ask how you have come to the conclusion that there is still a "fuming wasteland island in the middle of Manhattan" after ten years?
Is there a website that claims this?
Please provide an url that I can check up on if that is the case!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote I'm still waiting for your explanation for how F11's 30ft short silhouette formed SIX SECONDS after the alleged craft completely melded into the North Tower 911, anyone who thinks this is commensurate with the laws of physics should move into the cookoo clock methinks☺
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham
Money is worthless, cities are shit holes.
fertilizerspike 10 months ago
your an uneducated idiot.. Lets just start with REAL science please... FACT 1; I will Gladly stand under your experiment, if all that is used is JET AIRCRAFT FUEL. { I do not recall any TORCHES being used in the 911 Commission report} Molten Steele CAN NOT BE GENERATED AT those TEMPS! IMPOSSIBLE!
2: The Laws of NEWTON are Fact and provable over and over. The 3 Most amazing{IMPOSSIBLE}collapses In world History, all occurred in a 8 hour time span, by Office Fire ?? Insane!
23rdsngwrtr 1 year ago
@23rdsngwrtr There is no need to try and melt the steel because that is not what happened! Torches are mentioned in the context of raising the temp of the steel to the temp that jet fuel would burn at.
Maybe you should watch the video again!
Humantidote 1 year ago
im sorry in otherwords a shaped charge as old as explosives is can not be used with thermite in order to make any shaped cut you want? ahh as long as you kill everyone coming out of the army with any expereance at all i guess you could get away with saying that.. but you dont use thermite in a open pile the same way you dont get gunpowder to work as advertised if you just pile it in a lump. if you did this you can claim no such things as a gun as well see the exposives dont do much.
ScrimRunner 1 year ago
@ScrimRunner More Stupidish! It is the official twoofer language of the new world odor!
Humantidote 1 year ago
No such thing as free fall speed?
Are you for real?
You know nothing at all about physics if you can say that!
Humantidote 1 year ago
Chandler has some nerve accusing the NIST of fudging data when Chandler has been the only one guilty of such a thing!
He could not even change his video after being exposed for an analysis using a video where 30% of the remaining collapse of wtc7 is not visible! Chandler admits to it yet his collapse time remains the same? So after his stopwatch ends I suppose he decided the rest fell at light speeds which would be undetectable to the human eye?
C'mon Chandler, what is it you are trying to do?
Humantidote 1 year ago
So goodbye melonhead!
Come back when you are just wrong and not also wrong about the info they have!
Humantidote 1 year ago
I think its a great idea. Make a 10 story building with the same layout as the twin towers. Damage the beams said to be damaged. Set the max load limit on the roof. Then set some fires. Dont worry because if it doesnt fall in the first hour and nineteen mins everyone is safe to come out. I wouldnt think it would fall after many hours but who knows.
Hell I would take the test if you and all your duhbunker friend fliped the bill for the construction.
darion65 1 year ago 2
@darion65 Well if I did that, then the truther's family members would say I steered the results by my financial influence or whatnot!
Besides, the burden of proof falls onto those who say fire could not cause the collapses, not onto those who already proved it did!!
They have to back words with proof just like NIST provided for its conclusions!
If you disagree then show why!
That's how it works dummy!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
What I know as fact is this. A fire or progressive collaps cannot cause free fall speeds for any ammount of time period. On 9/11 we saw that two times. However NIST only admits to building 7 as having a free fall speed. Even that alone would show that there was not a progressive collaps of building 7.
I would rather be a truther that asks questions about 9/11 than a duhbunker that believes in the OCT maricles on 9/11.
darion65 1 year ago
@darion65 Even your gods at AETruth have changed it to "near freefall" after shown they were wrong!
Do try to keep up! It has been over a year now!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
Um dipshit they have said both near and free fall speeds for a long time. AE911truth has not changed much. And what they have changed was due to test on experiments that change their theories. Kind of what a real scientist does when he puts forth a theory unlike NIST.
darion65 1 year ago 2
@darion65 NIST never admitted to free fall speeds! Where the hell do you get this crap? Because a truther video says so?
You are an idiot!!
gbye!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
If your still saying that NIST hasnt said there was a free fall of building 7 then your behind the times.
watch?v=RXZnvn7O2NY
NIST finaly admitted free fall after 7 years. To deny this fact your just stupid.
darion65 1 year ago 9
@darion65 You don't seem to have any memory but for the word "freefall". There is a difference when you fail to discriminate between speed and acceleration like you have in your NIST claim.
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "There is a difference when you fail to discriminate between speed and acceleration"
There's no such thing as "freefall speed".
You're embarassing yourself by not knowing basic physics concepts on top of ignoring even not just after it's been presented - NIST video which has been provided for you - but even before it - as you admitted you didn't know what my claim was about.
You're in the least suitable position to ridicule anyone. Yours is anti-skepticism.
SexyMelon 1 year ago 3
@SexyMelon You have no position!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@darion65 I will quote you "I dont have the patience to guide you thru each step of information like a child. You clearly are not a child anymore so stop asking to be shown each step piece by piece like a child."
So piss off!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@darion65 They never "admitted" to freefall!
However AETruth and Chandler DID change their story from "freefall" to "near freefall" after they were exposed for using a video that only showed the first two-thirds of the collapse!! Then AETruth and Chandler refused to change their stopwatch time even though they ended measuring the seconds BEFORE the true end of the collapse! Strange that AETruth continues to lie about who their members really are and their measured times for WTC7 collapse!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@darion65 If you have not found out about AETruth's change from freefall to near-freefall then it seems that you are behind the times!!
Sorry to burst your bubble there dummy!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@darion65 I think "misinformed" is a better term than "stupid" in this case.
TetraLiteProductions 1 year ago
I find it interesting and extremely revealing that those who support the official story in these posts (and many other YouTube posts about 9/11) tend to resort to name-calling and foul language, while those who support the controlled demolition theory back their claims with hard science and have the decency not to use filthy language and name-calling. Personally, I discredit anyone who uses foul language and personal affronts as an argument in debate.
TetraLiteProductions 1 year ago
@TetraLiteProductions You must be kidding! Lol
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
*Besides, the burden of proof falls onto those who say fire could not cause the collapses, not onto those who already proved it did!!*
I love that comment. When duhbunkers like yourself get pushed into a corner you always say that. Heres also another theory yet to be proven. The fire collaps theory has yet to show any kind of concrete evidence to claim their OCT is correct.
So I ask you to show me proof of fire taking down buildings 1, 2 and 7.
darion65 1 year ago 2
@darion65 That's because we like science and the way it works!
I point to the NIST report for all the proof any reasonably intelligent person needs!
It should even be lots for someone as unintelligent as yourself!!
But, obviously not!! Also, nobody actually cares what you think anyway since you don't really matter at all. Who cares if you believe one thing or another?
So why should I care to bother with you anymore than I have?
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote
HAHAHA wow some duhbunker you are. When push comes to shove you just run away. Hell I had better debates with duhbunkers that did nothing but call me names the entire time without proving a thing. Here I shown you proof and backed it up with factual statements. I showed you why and how NIST lied in their reports on 9/11 but you wont hear of it.
Just like a normal duhbunker if straw-man doesnt work name call. And when that fails just say Im "Not worth your time" IE run away!
darion65 1 year ago 2
@Humantidote
*They have to back words with proof just like NIST provided for its conclusions!*
Problem with NIST is they have already been caught lying about their own theories. They pushed a theory that the redish/orange metal flowing from the towers was molten aluminum. When they did their test they failed to produce the same effect as what was seen in the video. Now here is were they are caught lying. They continue to push the theory even after their own test proved them wrong.
darion65 1 year ago 2
@Humantidote
And that was only one time they were caught lying about 9/11. The other time was saying there was no motlen steel/iorn seen.
watch?v=3A0pwCzFVCw
Thats how it workd dummy!
darion65 1 year ago 7
@darion65 NIST never "lied" about that!
They analyzed the molten material seen falling from the building and identified it as aluminum! Same identification is given for the melted aluminum wheels in the underground parking garages. Let me say this to you so it is clear. NO ONE HAS PRODUCED ANY EVIDENCE OF MOLTEN STEEL FROM THE WTC SITE. If anyone actually saw molten steel, then why have they not come forward with an actual claim? The only real reports are explained by the aluminum easily!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "They have to back words with proof just like NIST provided for its conclusions!"
Oh and, just in case you're going to care about what's supported by evidence or not sometime in the future...
Here's a simple mental exercise: what is this proof? Now, remember, "investigation" isn't proof, and neither is "NIST says so". Proof is evidence, and evidence is empirical. You should be able to name it, like "truthers" name thermitic residue found in the post-collapse dust.
Have fun.
SexyMelon 1 year ago 3
@SexyMelon Actually, I have already hacked the thermite paper to bits on other comments. Read my channel content you no-minded fool!
NIST has plenty of science and proof that you don't read nor accept!
And your opinion has zero affect on the world so I don't care what you have going on in that space between your ears!
And I never will!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@SexyMelon So rather than use the knowledge generated by a hundred years of studied fires in buildings and sophisticated computer modelling to show how it happened, they should build a 100% scale model and recreate the event in its entirety?
I don't think I want to even consider the world we would be living in if this was the only way to prove anything to an insignificant turd like you!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@darion65 Experiment is generally a good idea, in relation to anything. It's the final instance.
If you're interested, NIST have already conducted something similar, along with standard fire-tests buildings are generally subjected to (in case of, you know, fire).
SexyMelon 1 year ago 3
I think I've seen maybe one-two "debunker" videos that are polite and/or logical in my life. This isn't one of them.
This experiment - or rather version of it that makes any actual sense - was already conducted by NIST investigation, as well as according to ASTM/UL specifications and - guess what - found no capacity for collapse in the WTC-standard floor assemblies.
Obviously enough, however, partial collapse does not always extend to total one. In fact, in steel-frame buildings, it NEVER has.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@SexyMelon I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific! Mine is "comedy" which is why I entered it under that category!
And just because you have not seen any examples of steel structure collapse, is not evidence for "NEVER". There are and there will be more in the future!
You do not even state which WTC building you are talking about regarding this mention of specs and it is still wrong!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific!"
I guess you're not keeping up with the research then. I suppose if you weren't interested I couldn't blame you, but since you see fit to make nonsense like this, I will.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
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@Humantidote @Humantidote "I have never seen ANY "Truth" video, movies, or websites that are logical, honest, unbiased, or scientific!"
I guess you're not keeping up with the research then. I suppose if you weren't interested I couldn't blame you, but since you see fit to make nonsense like this, I will.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
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@Humantidote "And just because you have not seen any examples of steel structure collapse, is not evidence for "NEVER"."
Yes it is... That's word the word means.
"There are and there will be more in the future!"
Nope.
(Instant F- for bringing up Kader or something like that.)
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@Humantidote "You do not even state which WTC building you are talking about regarding this mention of specs and it is still wrong!!"
Haha! You don't even know what I'm talking about, and yet you know I'm already wrong?
What's that word... "Prejudice"? "Preconception"? When you decide whether something is true or not regardless of any evidence or argument...
You're feeding mine by being just as ill-researched, prejudiced and rude as many other self-professed "debunkers", by the way.
SexyMelon 1 year ago
@SexyMelon Its because you are wrong about what you said no matter which bldg you talk about!
Get your facts straight!!
You know nothing that is correct or based on fact before stating your opinion and that is the definition of preconception you obvious english major. (that's sarcasm just so you know).
You are a true Twoofer!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "Its because you are wrong about what you said no matter which bldg you talk about!"
I'm wrong about what I said even though you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Marvelous.
Do you actually realise what you're admitting to? That your judgment is based on - literally - prejudice? That you choose to reject any evidence that will prove you wrong before you've even seen it?
Hm. I try hard not to invoke Godwin, but that's the closest to Creationism I've ever seen.
SexyMelon 1 year ago 2
@SexyMelon Oh! And you are stupid too! (I forgot to add that!)
Humantidote 1 year ago
TIRED OF DEBATE??? EX......FUCKING........ACTLY
tired of having zero evidence to support the official story? Tired of having to justify delusion in the face of simple facts a child could grasp. I'm tired as fuck of people too scared of questioning the reality the grew up in to ask themselves simple fucking questions about disapearing planes, molten lava, explosions, terrorists turning up alive, Agent warnings, simple physics and blatent coverups. Go stand in your quick sand of lies CUNT
keflar5 1 year ago
@keflar5 Debate was a poor choice of words. It suggests that AETruth and others of that ilk actually have something worth debating! You have been manipulated by the whims of clowns and anti-semites who have very personal agendas for doing what they do! The Jones's are pure dogpiles and Gage is another David Koresh waiting to happen! You should be more skeptical of what they tell you than any politician or corporate monster, at least only greed drives their ambitions. But u keep listening to em!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote wow, you are one screwed up puppy, anti semites? So you are another AshkeNAZI jew spewing your bullshit, figures. You don't have ONE DROP of semetic blood, you are a converted jew who uses the jew name to gain sympathy to peddle your sick lies. Be skeptical what any Ashkenazi jew says, they are the masters of deceit and manipulation. They look at it like a gift while the rest of the world looks at it as pure SICKNESS.You aren't semetic,you don't have ancient rights to Israel,you lie
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13 NO, I am not a Jew nor do I affiliate with any religion. I do read a lot about the history of it though.
You obviously do not!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@blite13 One does not need be a Jew to find great fault in anti-semitism.
You are a racist!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@keflar5 The immaturity behind that comment of yours is staggering. The internet would be a very different experience entirely if anonymity was not possible. We (humanity) both benefit and suffer because of that fact. I do, however, have to thank people like you for making me truly understand that!
I will no longer allow my emotions to steer any reactions such that I debase my own argument by responding with an attitude similar to yours!!
Grow up! You are behaving like a jerk!
Humantidote 1 year ago
Sorry that was not jelinto I meant to answer here. My Bad!
Chandler's video shows the Q's he raised at the Draft Report, that is when the NIST took input from other engineers about the findings so they could include those considerations in the final report. What Chandler doesn't use is the final report where they address the free fall speeds in detail!! When several engineers decided to show the public what was wrong with Chandler's analysis, the highschool teacher removed his videos, why?
Humantidote 1 year ago
There is no way to mess with videos on Chandler's youtube account so why would he remove them rather than counter what they said about them like he seems to always be doing? Maybe you guys can ask Chandler about that and see if he answers!
Humantidote 1 year ago
To stop the insanity we need an new investgation 6 of 10 911 comision report dont belive the storie. Why was nist hidden videos of witnesses saying bomd before the plane. Why was information withheld Is there anything about world trade center 7 in the report. We won a lawsuit and nist had 2 release 5 teri bites of info in september. A lot of witnesses on that day talk about bomds And also the comunication of ny firefiters talking about 3rd and 4th exslosings. We killed how many in afganitan
pmurraybabii1 1 year ago
@pmurraybabii1 It is getting kind of stale hearing you truthers who are obviously stuck in the past and know nothing of the NIST's three year investigation into the collapse of WTC 7!
It's the one that came out after the NIST Report on WTC 1&2!
You can at least be up to date with your foolishness!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@pmurraybabii1 I know the firefighters in NY are tired of hearing AETruth and others act like they are speaking on their behalf! You do not have any respect for them or any of the victims of 9/11! Your whole line about truth is a selfish expression of self-importance and intolerance for the views and judgment of other people!
Do not even presume to think that your behaviour is sympathetic towards the plight of others! All of your surfing and comments serve you alone and not humanity or justice!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote Hey dummy, how bout nyccan dot org? or...Building what? These ARE FAMILY MEMBERS and first responders as well as those who escaped the collapses. They want a new investigation, what about the firefighters for 9/11 truth? How bout 3/4's of the world KNOWING 9/11 is a lie? You admonish others while you sit in front of your TV and listen to Bill O'reilly spew lie after lie and believe him. You and your ilk is what is KILLING humanity, so STFU.
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13 whi is Bill O'Reilly?
Humantidote 1 year ago
@blite13 You honestly think you speak for all those people?
Get a grip!
Humantidote 1 year ago
If it's okay with you, Humantidote, I'll choose science...
watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g
watch?v=VvQDFV1HINw
...over stupidity any day.
BTW, there's more videos using science & experiment where those came from if YOU choose to look for them. Where's NIST's experiments?
jelinto 1 year ago
@jelinto The explanations are all in their reports. READ THEM since you have not. And I only accept the reports by scientific groups like the NIST who have credentials that are verifiable, unlike those produced by unknown people who post youtube videos that claim to be science but have nothing to back it up. So just go back to your websites and loose change videos and continue accepting the scientific theories of whoever since it works so well for you. Science is made credible by the institution
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "Read them since you have not"???
Do you make ANY argument that doesn't sound COMPLETELY insane? How could you possibly know if I've read them? Can you not see the stupidity in criminals investigating their own crime?
"...videos that claim to be science but have nothing to back it up"??? WTF??? REAL EXPERIMENTS AREN'T ACCEPTABLE IN YOUR WORLD? Loose Change? Who said anything about that?
Man, you're either seriously dummied down or just playing stupid. The jig is up. C'ya!
jelinto 1 year ago
@jelinto How do you come to the conclusion that the NIST are the criminals?
The expert body of scientists and engineers who work for a 100 yr old organization that investigates building fires and collapses are what? Part of a conspiracy?
Who is not part of it sounds like a shorter list! And why go all psycho at the mention of Loose Change? Did I nail it with a first guess or something. You guys are so predictable.
Humantidote 1 year ago
@jelinto If you wonder where their experiments are and they are described in their reports then is it not rather easy to assume you have not read them? Otherwise you would know what they did and how!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "...they are described in their reports"???
Well there's your problem right there, isn't it? Described in their reports??? DESCRIBED IN THEIR REPORTS??? LMFAO!
jelinto 1 year ago
@jelinto What is it you expect? What more do you need beyond a description of the process of experimentation and investigation, a reality show of some kind? How was it different from any other formal investigation?
What is your proof that they are lying and part of a conspiracy to withhold the truth?
Or is it just because they did not give you the answer you want? You don't really care about what actually happened, you just want a vindicating answer!
Why? because you look stupid?
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote What more do I want beyond a "description" of the process? How about an ACTUAL experiment, like as in what was shown in the links I originally provided you.
THAT'S WHAT SCIENCE IS!!! Not, "Hey, just take our word for it, because we're a government agency and you can trust us, and if the government were lying we'd get to the bottom of it."
Please, go sell crazy to someone else. You're nonsense ain't working on me. Have you been able to fool anyone beyond the usual suspects?
jelinto 1 year ago
@jelinto Everything else is done with computer modelling nowadays so why would this be any different?
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote "Everything else is done with computer modelling nowadays..."
The problem with this should be obvious to any thinking individual. In plain english; garbage in, equals garbage out.
Rewind, and go back to my original comment in this forum.
jelinto 1 year ago
@jelinto Sorry, but Cole's little experiments are about as scientific as my joke proposal. If those videos are enough for you to cast doubt on the NIST investigation and its recommendations then you have some distinctly separate issues to deal with before you are even capable of being receptive of reality and what is real and what is not. As hard as it is to say this about someone I don't even know, I feel very sorry for you and I do not understand the influences steering your thought processes.
Humantidote 1 year ago
@jelinto I apologize for sending you a reply previously that was meant for someone else's comment!
I do not bother with irrational individuals who disregard what qualifies as legitimate information and lack objectivity! I only offer resources that are time consuming to search for, so that sincere people have access to it and compare AETruth claims to accurate info allowing them to honestly make up their own minds! And I am overly optimistic when judging that sincerity despite experience!!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote with computer modeling, you can make an elephant hang on to a daisy as he hangs over a cliff and pass it off as being possible. SO, once again, STFU.
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13 That reference to theoretical physics in Stone's JFK about the "magic bullet" is nothing more than a line in a movie!
Do you know the difference between fiction and reality?
Or do you let movies dictate reality to you?
If so, I am surprised 9/11 holds any interest to you when so many other incredible things are happening in your world, like battles with aliens and other such excitement!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@blite13 Actually, computer modelling designs skyscrapers, automobiles, TVs, cellphones, etc before they are built and they all seem to be working for you just fine!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@jelinto Describe an experiment that would adequately satisfy your questions. And who would have to conduct it so that you would be sure that no one in the conspiracy could steer the result? No need to be too specific, just a general idea what they would need to test. Is it to test for thermite or something else? I just want to know which theory yours since there are so many.
Humantidote 1 year ago
WHY oh why don't these official story huggers not put their money where their mouths are, take NIST's WTC7 collapse data , do a bit of tweaking and PATENT office fire controlled demolition?☺
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham Oh hey truther with the no-plane theory! tell the world here about your silhouette evidence that knocks down all the photos and video that we morons use despite the existence of this newer and more definitive media!!
My grandparents called. Their kookoo bird is missing, so get back in the clock!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote...is he a truther counter spy making the official story look even MORE stoopid d'ya think?☺
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham You really should be spending your time with the nutty truthers. You and mrduffy81 should get along nice!
You can stroke eachother's egos with the theories even most truthers want nothing to do with.
So fly fly crazy one into the arms of your like-feathered friends.
Nobody debates that nonsense here!!!
you can just have a one-sided argument with yourself from here on out!!
Soseeyalatercrazyfukr!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote open minded youtubers go to 'the plane facts' by simon shack and see how in the Naudet brothers film that was used as pretext by the neocons to go kill millions of innocent towelheads, the so called plane penetrates the north tower then SIX SECONDS+ AFTER... THE 30FT SHORT 'plane silhouette'forms!! deelayed reaction out of shock? humantide can stamp his little feet all he wants, it's clear PROOF of fakery!
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham
It's more like clear proof you are an idiot!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
@Humantidote other shills have at least tried to rationalize this elephant in the room anomaly..you'll get your money docked son☺
MarkB1ngham 1 year ago
@MarkB1ngham
mrduffy81? Is that you hiding behind another ytube account?
Humantidote 1 year ago
BY THE WAY TRUTHERS, THE NIST REPORT DID AGGRESSIVELY PURSUE ANSWERS TO THE POSSIBILITY EXPLOSIVES WERE USED IN THE ATTACKS AND DID USE THE EXPERTISE OF DEMOLITION ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE THAT THEY WERE NOT USED!!
A VERY DETAILED AND CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THAT CLAIM!!
SO STOP TELLING PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER THAT YOUR QUESTIONS TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED!
YOU ARE EITHER IGNORING THAT THE NIST DID THE INVESTIGATIONS OR YOU SIMPLY NEVER BOTHERED TO CHECK!!
Humantidote 1 year ago
You my friend are a ignorant piece of shiit!
abefromspace 1 year ago
@abefromspace Friend?
Humantidote 1 year ago
humantidote, can i ask what area of science you earned your degree?
chunkyboy100 1 year ago
"pretty unstable after the falling debris knocked 25% of its supportive structure on the bottom of the south side!"
I was joking about God playing jenga, of course. He was playing lumberjack that day. Hacked a big chunk out at the bottom of one side, and then, instead of yelling "TIIIIIIIIIMBER" he said "nah, just FALL STRAIGHT DOWN" because hey, he's god, and he wanted to show us all how cool he is, being able to do stuff like that.
ichbineintoober 1 year ago 2
@ichbineintoober Is it because you don't have anything real to argue with that you talk like that?
Go back to watching your truther videos if all you can do is demonstrate you know nothing about what happened at all!
Humantidote 1 year ago