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  • I LEIK CHOCOLATE MILK!!!!!!!!

  • @researchOne23 When you follow Jesus, you eventually (when church is out the say) know your path in as what God wants for your particular life. When you lose someone (not logic)( I personally have lost my mother, father and miscarried) there is no more logic only God your saviour, who delivers you from the depth of despair! gods (small g) are the fallen angels that The Lord God Almighty cast out of Heaven, who are on the earth mascarading as the mysterious aliens from outta space?

  • @velvetnotes009 who are the true dictators of this planet. Brain washing the people and pertending they dont exist. Lol, putting space ships in childrens text book making out they are real and not them! Killing this planet its pesticides and chem trails. Arranging your demise (as we speak) and your fema coffins, are ready (what are they for?) you my dear ...BETTER WAKE UP! Believe in wifi but not in the invisable God who is Blessed FOREVER AND FOREVER....

  • ok that is all great so wh does your religion explain the begining correctly? just change science with religion and you get hte same conclusion...it just can not be exlpained...

  • @researchOne23 wrong. I follow God because He is who He is and IS FAITHFUL to those who are called by his name. Sin is too nice to give up sometimes, so for that I would go! a threat doesnt cut it! ask any child that. But you put your hands in the hot water long enough you will get burned as a warning. Keeping doing it you become immune . A bit like a frog in cold water and you gradually heat it up! You need both sides of the story. I wouldnt go back to this world for NOTHIN!

  • Anything you cant explain at this moment, plug it with Krishna.

  • Just like science cannot prove and discover certain questions neither can you nor anyone else. We are limited in our knowledge to only what science logic and reason can provide us with.

  • wow thats deep. Its inspiring that was beautiful. One question. Can you prove your claims? Can you back it up with something more than an opinion? no matter how fancy and poetic you get. You still lake the ability to prove your god claim. Thats all we atheists ever asked for. Proof. Not opinions.

  • Nice background music.

    Even if this deity exists, WHY is it YOUR God?

    You'd love it if an atheist converted to Christianity, but hound them if they converted to Islam, despite the fact that both fit what you just said.

  • @rawwqq agreed...in fact if you switch teh word science with religion in his speech it ends up being hte same conclusion...this guy is a twerp with empty arguments

  • You're silly.

  • you get 0 stars for the weak ass, dishonest arguement...but 1 star for allowing comments. Keep it up, Venom.

  • The stupidity is strong in this one i can sense

  • "Science by itself fails to explain why there's science." You're right, and food by itself fails to explain why there's food. Brilliant point, well done.

    Straw man argument! You've said science can't explain everything.. we already know that! Your superstition can't explain everything, either, and those who don't currently know that are sure to find out.

    The comments section of your page point to what I call "The Sinking Ship Theory." I hope you can swim.

  • Why did God make Neandertalers?

  • Sorry, I meant Neanderthals.

  • Were you dropped on your head as a child?

  • What a great and touching story, and the music just adds on top of that. I almost felt something.

    Now we just need the evidence and we can all take it to the bank. Care to share that as well? Just... some? I mean, these are rather profound claims about the nature of reality, you must have something? At least more than an ancient book?

    No?

    Well, off I am then...

  • 1 thing...

    How do you know god exists call me when you get truth i got AWHILE

  • Sounds good, now you just need some proof.

    .../1star

  • One star for assertions without evidence

  • nonsense and cheesy music is the Glenn Beck Fallacy.

  • Wow, what lovely words. Too bad they don't mean anything in the order given.

  • God bless you Brother.

  • Oh look, another creationist assuming there has to be an objective reality for the existence of the universe, and that man was created and made special by god.

    Whatever it takes to make you feel important, bud.

  • i second that.

  • Oh look, another anticreationist who assumes his evolutionist story is absolute truth.

    Hey man.. if you need that to convince yourself there is no Maker to answer too except yourself.. .. good luck.

    (just guessing out loud ;)

  • thats a silly thing to say. Worldwide, most evolutionists are christians and more christians are evolutionists.

  • Those people are entitled to be wrong too.

  • I don't assume it's absolutely true. I assume it's more or less correct because of the supporting evidence.

    But its ok, I don't expect you to understand something like a standard of evidence.

  • Yes I get how the game works with you:

    -If I say I accept Jesus was Messiah then I am accused of 'claiming omnipotence' and you are outraged at that,

    but,

    Your claims for a self-assembling universe.. why.. well... you are never saying 'you KNOW'.

    Interesting.

    More double-standards.

    But hey.. don't worry, I don't expect you to be able to discern the difference between a poor interpretation of evidence and a better one.

  • You don't make me angry by that. It's the dumb fucks who misinterpret science and atheists, like Brock, that piss me off.

    But really, show me all that evidence of god in modern science.

    No, really.

    I'll be here... for a while, it seems.

  • Actually I'm going to let you show me all that evidence for a godless causeless universe. Maybe you can start by showing me how you 'scientifically' show that Something can come from Nothing.

    You hold what has to be one of the stupidest most dumbf**k beliefs in the 6,000 year history of human civilization.

    Answer to me about that stupid belief of yours if you think you can?

    Show me the evidence?

    No?

    I didn't think so.

  • SCIENCE DOESN'T SAY THAT SOMETHING COMES FROM NOTHING.

    Sorry for the caps, but that has been repeated more times than I could count in response to people like you.

    The origin of the universe is an unknown. We have ideas, but they are not proved, and are probably not provable. But now we get into the "god of the gaps" bullshit routine. Just because we don't have an answer for everything, it doesn't mean that GODDITIT goes in the blank spots.

    But it's ok. Be an ass. It makes me laugh.

  • Science and logic tell us that nothing comes from nothing. YOU choose to believe (put faith in) that as the best option to depend on. SO TYPE THAT IN CAPS ALL YOU WANT, and, Yes, given the option to follow the clues YOU are the one who prefers to say 'NUTTINDIDIT'. I know. You are just repeating this back to me 'as if' you are 'explaining' or 'refuting', but, Tell me why you should trust 'Nuttindidit' as the best explanation? Why? You have something against science and logic? No answers?
  • Science and logic don't say that there is a cause for the universe.

    What is so scary about the idea that the universe just is, on its own? Is it a comfort thing? A reassurance that you're important? I just don't buy into the idea that there needs to be an objective reason for everything.

  • I know that you don't want to buy into objective reasons for the Universe.

    Science and logic DO say that something cannot come from nothing. That is almost as 'basic and simple' an example of logic and reason as you can ever get down to,

    but,

    for you that is too scary.

    I don't blame you.. because if you do try and find out what or who that 'something' was it might be a Maker.

    And you WILL NOT answer to a Maker.

    So you choose to trust in some unreasonable and illogical 'explanation'.

    Good luck.

  • I simply said I don't think there is a cause for a universe - not that something came from nothing. I said repeatedly that I don't think everything came from nothing.

    What if the universe always was? What if it's a multiverse? It's an unknown, but there are theories about it. Look it up if you wonder what I mean.

    And why exactly would I not answer to a maker? If I knew for a fact that there was one, why would I reject it? Really, I don't see why you think so.

  • No cause for the 'something' that exists is just telling me you believe something (or anything) came from nothing.

    Yes, I am aware this is what you are going with.

    I am just reminding you that it is illogical and antiscientific.

    besides... if 'Nuttindidit' then there is no more need for you to bother looking anymore. That solves that. Nuttindidit. There is 'Nuttin' to be curious about and nuttin' to investigate any further.

    But hey.. whatever gets you through the night I guess?

  • There is a huge difference between saying "it's an unknown" and "everything from nothing."

    The universe before the big bang is an unknown. Where all the stuff in the big bang came from is an unknown.

    As in I don't know.

    As in nobody really knows.

    As in unknown.

    Unknown.

    Got that word on your head?

    There's a BIG difference between that and saying "everything came from nothing." Try to grasp that.

    Oh and stop trying to put words in my mouth.

  • Yes, well congrats for discovering that you are not omnipotent.

    In the mean time you could 'go with' the best and most likely explanation based on what we do know about the Universe around us (tip: this is called scientific method),

    and,

    Yet, you choose to believe that complex working something came from nothing?

    Pardon my assumption but the only explanation I can find for this choice is that you cannot accept anything that might lead to a 'Maker'.

    One you might meet one day.

    About right?

  • I never said I was omnipotent. I don't think i'm all knowing, like some of your type like to say we think.

    I'm neutral as to what I care if god actually exists. If there was proof of a god, I wouldn't deny its existence.

    So really, why would I not be able to accept anything that proves god exists? Is it because you think I MUST be immoral because I don't believe in god?

    And really, stop saying the something from nothing line. I said time and time again that's not what I say or think happened.

  • I think you create for yourself a completely insincere and intellectually hypocritical requirement in 'Proof' and you do this because you know (or suspect) it will never be possible to find 'empirical proof'.

    Meanwhile, for everything else in life you will use a standard of 'evidence beyond a reasonable doubt',

    and,

    'the best and most likely possibility.

    You do this all through your day and night,

    except,

    ONLY for this one idea is there this impossible standard and excuse.

    Am I close?

  • Well, you're wrong about me and my standards and such, but ok.

    I just want to ask you a question. One question. I really want to know this, so stop ignoring it.

    Why would I ignore evidence that supports god's existence? What do I have to lose if I were to suddenly know god exists?

  • I think you would ignore evidence for a Maker for the same reasons most people would:

    - You suspect you have not done nearly enough with your life other than gratify yourself and your own needs,

    - You know you have hurt people for no good reason.

    - You know there is pride, lusts, greed, selfishness, sloth and envy inside,

    - you absorbed the planets resources and never replaced it.

    - You want to be your own god.

    now that is an incomplete simplified list but maybe you can think of more reasons?

  • And there it is. You mention the "godless=immoral bs."

    On all of those points, you're wrong. You're wrong about me, and you're wrong about most atheists.

    I'm a moral atheist - something you would never understand. You think us nonbelievers are terrible people.

    You're wrong, and that's really insulting and bigoted. And I don't have the time for bigoted morons. Piss off.

  • Ahh no no.. don't go trying to squeeze victim-status juice out of this for your own satisfaction at my expense.

    (right there you confirmed at least one of my suggestions),

    and,

    no, you are no different than anyone else.

    We are all full of these things.

    Everyone you know (including you and me) is full of pride, greed, selfishness AND is guilty of taking from this planet far more than we give in a life.

    You know it, I know it, so don't bother juicing me for some righteous indignation.

    Admit it.

  • Ok, so just because we all have the capacity for "bad" emotions like that, it doesn't mean they're any more prevalent in me because i'm an theist.

    But that IS what you insinuated.

  • *atheist

  • Uh no.

    I 'insinuated' you are no different than anyone else and never mind 'capacity' you are surely guilty of all sorts of offenses.

    So are all of us.

    Heck.. anyone that paid $300 for an X-Box to pleasure themselves while a neighbour was evicted... pure guilt and wrongdoing.

    (one of a million examples),

    and,

    I am implying you have an inherent 'moral compass' and you are aware of your guilt.

    This is, at least, one reason why you should be afraid of meeting your 'Maker'.

    Agree?

  • The thing is you can't claim morals as evidence for a god. because other faiths could use the same evidence to prove there god, thus it doesn't prove your god. We can explain morals and the like.

  • If for some reason I were to know tomorrow that god exists, I wouldn't deny it.

    I'm not scared of a god.

    Fucking get that through your head. I'm done with you.

  • Please clarify:

    - IF you woke up tomorrow and found out there is a Maker to meet this would not frighten you?

    Really?

    I mean you might expect to give an account for all you did... and all you did NOT do (and could have) and for that matter answer for what you would have done given the chance.

    No fear of that?

    Sorry I don't believe that for a minute.

    Not even worried about what to tell Him about all the pollution you caused on His planet?

    Really?

  • Ok, all hypothetical situations aside, let's get back on point.

    I wouldn't reject evidence for existence of a god on a basis of fear. I reject current arguments for a gods existence for the same reason modern science does - lack of real evidence.

    I'm not scared of the possibility of god. That's not why i'm an atheist, but if fear of god keeps you in line, whatever works. I don't need that fear to function and be a good human being.

  • 'modern science' doesn't reject anything. Its not a 'person' and its not an 'entity'.

    YOU can look at the data (the evidence) and do several things - misunderstand it, ignore it, misinterpret it.

    You can do that because you cannot think things through all the way, you don't know how stuff works, how to weigh the pros and cons, a lack of information.

    I suggest you have several of those problems and that is why you don't interpret the evidence as indicating God is the best explanation.

  • lol k. You keep thinkin that. Bye bye.

  • That's a nice strawman there, because if you think the big bang is something coming from nothing, then you don't know anyhting about the big bang. THough, you believe something came from nothing.

    The human history is more like 10,000 years old.

    There's no evidence for something coming from nothing, because that's not what the big bang talks about fool.

  • "Human history is more like 10,000 years old"

    What are referring to? Egyptian Chronology or....

    And where did the matter come from? Is matter eternal?

  • Well the egyptians were around for some time.

    Why does the matter have to come from some where? it could be eternal, because we know no way to destroy matter or anyhting like that.

  • "It could be eternal..."

    And yet you still insist that atheism does not require faith....

  • See the thing is, this has nothing to do with atheism. Athesim is nothing more then a disbelief in god or gods, nothing else. So this has nothing to do with that, this is me saying that it could be, but we don't know.

    Also, I didn't say that it was.

  • "This has nothing to do with atheism"

    It had everything to do with atheism. If matter is eternal, then no god would be necessary, but if matter had a beginning, someone or something would have had to have created it.

  • The only way you can argue against my position is if you have faith that matter is eternal. Blind faith is irrational.

  • Yet you believe that god, who's yet to be proven, created everything from nothing. So you need to prove this because at this point, you are shifting the burden of proof.

  • "who's yet to be proven"

    Had has been proven. Send me a message and I can start.

    "So you need to prove this because at this point, you are shifting the burden of proof."

    And you are shifting the subject. How'd we get from a belief in the dark void of nothingness to my God?

  • You're wrong there, because other religious ppl have claimed there god has been proven, so I know you're tlaking out of your ass.

    Way to use a strawman there. I didn't know I believe in the dark void of nothingness. Also, you didn't answer my questions and also, the burden of proof is on you, not me.

  • This has nothing to do with atheism, since it's only a disblef in something. You're limiting a all powerful god. What says he never created matter, but used the matter that was here? or he become the universe or whatever. See I can come up with others things besides this, false dilmmea that you seem to think. It either was always around or a god had to make everything from nothing.

  • So are you a theist? If you aren't, then you MUST agree that matter is eternal, by appealing to your faith. If matter isn't eternal, then matter must have been created, or existed before itself (which I hope you realise is impossible) and then created itself. Which result, then, is more logical? The faith that matter is eternal, or that matter had a cause?

  • I don't have to agree with anything. At this point all we know is that the universe may have always been around, but we don't know. You can't claim such things as fact, because we don't know.

    Also, if you do believe in god, where did he come from or what made him?

  • "At this point all we know is that the universe may have always been around."

    Blind faith.

    "Also, if you do believe in *God, where did He come from or what made Him?"

    Why do you insist that someone made God? If someone or something made God, he wouldn't be God.

  • Way to quote mine me, I said we don't know at this point.

    So then you're claiming that he was always around, yet you can't prove him. So then, if he could hav always been there, then the universe could have been, thus were at a stand still.

    Now answer my question, or I'm done with you and stop shifting the burden of proof. Why must have matter come from somewhere? or from your god?

  • Quote mine? You should get your eyes checked--or at least read what you posted, because I can see everything you said right below this comment.

    "Now answer my question."

    Ok you're obviously ignoring everything I've said. Maybe you'll see it this time:

    *****************SEND ME A MESSAGE AND WE CAN START ON THE EXISTENCE OF GOD****

    I've already told you that at least once.

  • Ya I know and Is aid we don't know at this point, but it could be. That's what I said.

    Ignoring? you haven't said anything about god being real, you want me to send you a pm which I will not do, because I know you won't give me any evidence just some bs argument or some bs reason why he is real, which any person of faith could give me to prove there god.

    Yes, but if you can't make it simple, then it needs to much to hold itself up.

  • Also, you claimed that my thing was blind faith, yet I'm not saying that the universe was always around, but to claim that there was nothing and a god, is blind faith, because ther eis no evidence for him. As in stuff we can see and the like.

    You've yet to answer my question of, why does matter have to be created and why can't god be created. So you're saying that god could always be around and I could counter that by saying, why couldn't the universe always be around then?

  • Also, you didn't include in my little comment you put in quotes, the fact that I said, we don't know. Which is qoute mining, because you're trying to make it sound like I'm claiming, as fact that the universe was always around.

  • if you're wondering why i don't care to send you a message so we can start on the existence of god, is because I'm guessing you're going to give something like tag, or some logic that can be used to prove anyother god. Yet, this won't be evidence or anyhting like that.

    If you can make it simple, to not waste to much of my time and your time, by all means, but if we have to do it over pm's, because it will take so much to prove, then plz stop now, I've heard it all before.

  • Well it's clear you don't really care to answer my querstions and chances are great, you would give me the same bs to try to prove god, so I thnak you for your time.

    I was trying to throw you a bone saying we don't know if the universe was always around, but we know we can't remove matter or energy from the universe. So it seems more logical to think that the universe was always around, then to believe there was nothing and then a god made everything from nothing.

  • "Why does matter have to come from somewhere?"

    Why do effects have to have causes?

  • answering a question with a question is not answering it.

  • We should seek the truth and be sceptical to those who claim they have the absolute truth.

    If I remember corectly these are the words of Aronra.

  • IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MADE X THEN IT MUST BE Y, RIGHT???

    Gravity is really only God pushing down on us. When you flick a switch to turn on a light, that's God snapping his fingers. :D

  • The absolute truth:

    Humans don't know the absolute truth.

  • Hmm... so because we dont have all the answers to life's mysteries that must mean god exists. Thats pretty much what this video says. Why cant you just accept that we dont know everything, and probably never will? How does this prove the existence of god? Thats right, it doesn't. Nothing does, and you know why? Thats right... cause he dont exist.

  • I am afraid this is very much not the ultimate truth. That is not something you will find in a 2,000 year old book. Sorry.

  • When science can't explain what all goes on in nature or the origins of the cosmos then a supernatural entity must have been involved. *Face Palm*

    Brock, your God of the gaps explanation is worthless for you have zero evidence that a God was involved or even exists.

    Pedal to the medal for your spiritual views heading straight into a Brock Wall.

  • why don't you explain why you are so fukken stoopid???

  • Football doesn't explain why he is stupid.

    Therefore a magic, invisible, cruel and loving turtle did it.

    If you refect my claim, you are immoral, evil and believe in nothing.

    When you die with faith and the turtle isn't real, you lost nothing.

    When you die without faith and the turtle is real, you'll have a serious problem!!

    REPENT!

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  • Brock Lawley

    Wrapping turds with words since 2009

  • you can't answer why God exists and apposed to not exist? seems like God can't help if he exists or not since he can't make himself becuz he would have to exist first to do that haha

    You are God ;)

  • 2In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

  • Not a trick question. You've proven my point entirely:

    You are a batshit insane freak who needs to be locked up for the safety of society. You have absolutely no morality and are a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

    Oh, and you're so fucking stupid you don't know the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration :)

    Homosexual sex occurs in nature. Sorry! Read a fucking book, you cunting idiot! And sin does not exist.

  • Dude, you don't even know the definition of a Christian.

    Why are you lying. Hitler was not Christian.

    Go in the bible and look for the definition. Your a fool.

  • Hitler believed in Jesus Christ as his own personal savior and believed he was carrying out the will of his god.

    He was a Christian. Just like you.

    Also, if you wish to call me a fool, you should double check the sentence you call me one in.

  • You got to be kidding me. Even Satan believs in Jesus Christ.

    Does that make him a Christian? No, it is how you live your life. It is far more than just a statement of faith.

    If I said I believe in Jesus then raped your sister, would I be a Christian.

    If you ever opened the bible you would know I would not be a Christian. But since you know nothing about the topic you throw out biased untrue statements.

  • Did I say 'believes in jesus christ'? No, I said 'believed in Jesus christ as his own personal savior'.

    There's a difference. All sins are equal in god's eyes. Your lie about being a biology major is just as evil as Hitler killing millions to your god.

    I've read the bible far more than you have, chump. I have fifteen years of Biblical education. What do you have?

    And biased untrue statements? Quit projecting. It's pathetic, even for a piece of shit worthless xtian fundie like you.

  • I called you out on your falsities. You are deceiving yourselves. If you have read the bible like you say you would know what it means to be a christian.

    It is stated in the bible. Those who carry their cross daily can be Jesus' disciples. If you do not, then you cannot. End of story. Believing by itself does not make you christian.

    For that 15 years of study you learned nothing.

  • No, you're just a poor deluded idiot.

    There are 38,000 different varieties of your one true faith. Until you cunts can pull it together and decide who is correct, don't expect me to agree with your bullshit philosophy.

    And hey, at least I'm not the one lying about being a biology major to bolster my uneducated arguments about biology.

    Get a life, kid. Or kill yourself. I don't care. Just quit wasting my time.

  • Now you want me to kill myself. Wow.

    Satan deceives many. There is only one true church of Christ. My religion keeps me on track and makes me a good person.

    I see what a life without God has done for you. I am actually happy in my life. I live for the goodness of man.

    I even waste my time trying to help people like you even when I know you'll spit in my face. But I do it because God has told me to do so. And that I truly care about each and every one of you.

    I have a life and its wonderful.

  • No, I want you to quit wasting my time. I could care less what you do.

    Ah, so you just happen to know the 1 out of the other 37,999+ denominations which is correct! Lucky for you! No true scotsman abound!

    You live for the glorification of yourself, your own ego, and your imaginary fairytale.

    You are utterly incapable of helping me or anyone else with your lies. Go donate money or time to charity, like I do, if you want to help people.

  • I do not care about my ego. My religion does not hold up myself. It is for God.

    My God has changed many peoples lives. It has brought them out of the darkest wholes imaginable to become caring and loving people.

    I do not waste your time. You came to me friend. I only respond because the Bible is good for teaching, correcting, rebuking, and training in righteousness.

    Why would you want to crucify me?

    " impostors will go from BAD to WORSE, deceiving and being deceived."

    God was right.

  • You have such hatred in your heart my brother. Pure bitterness. What happened to you? Where you hurt by someone or something down the road?

    I am saddened to find you hate God so. How could you hate God when God is pure Good.

  • Your god's holy book chronicles the genocide, slavery, and rape of countless peoples. It is a horrible book morally equivalent to mein kampf.

    I am not your friend nor would I ever want to be. I just want you to shut up. You're preaching something that makes National Socialism look like a fun day in the park.

    Your god does not exist and has not been right about anything. You *are* wasting my time. Have a nice life. Say hi to Jesus for me. Oh wait, you can't, because he's not real. Idiot.

  • Again you lie. Again you paint slavery in a negative light when looking at the cultural context. Man created slavery. God created rules to protect slaves.

    God is the Almighty God. And Jesus died for you brother. He gave up his life even when he knew what you would do. I will not be silenced by untrue statements. I will rebuke you with the bible. The bible is truth. It is the word by which you and all men will be judged at the last day.

  • Lie? Sorry, no, unlike you I've actually read the bible.

    Since you have now moved on to defending slavery, this conversation is over. You are a pathetic little worm.

  • Why do you lie to me? I read the bible almost every night.

    What do you expect? Democracy back then? Times were rough back in the day. They didnt have capitalism where people like you can have whatever you want and be free. Kings ruled lands, not the people. Why do you compare cultures when you can't?

    I don't say slavery was a good thing, but man made it, not God.

  • And now you insulting me personally.....do you not see what a life of sin you live?

    Even in this conversation I feel sorry for you. You are in the dark. Its like a blind man stumbling in the dark. I truly feel sorry for people like you. People who don't know God's love. It has changed my life.

  • Sin doesn't exist.

    Take your 'sorryness' and shove it up your ass. I don't believe or care about what you believe. You are equivalent to a NAMBLA member in my mind. Utterly contemptible and not worth any consideration whatsoever.

    Your god is a feckless tyrant, and if he existed, I would happily sign up for the other side.

  • 2In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

  • Great, I hope you get crucified too if that'll make you shut the fuck up.

  • 2In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

    Timothy 3:12

  • That's not what Penguin asked. He asked if a man who raped a woman is worse than two men having consensual sex.

  • What about men who rape women? Are they not lower in respect than the men who have consensual sex? Rape causes incredible psychological trauma, and the other is private pleasure between two adults.

  • So someone who - for instance - kept their daughter chained in a basement for twenty years and repeatedly raped and violated her is bad, but PALES in comparison to anal sex.

    You are a moron. I hope you get cancer and die. Slowly.

  • Sorry, incorrect. Go read up on the subject and you'll find out how wrong you are.

    And no, quite a few things are worse than homosexual sex.

  • "If anything, he was a homo. Because homos do stupid selfish things."

    And you claim not to be a bigot!

    Darwin may have married his cousin because he, y'know, loved her. FDR married his cousin, and it certainly was not to produce a 'supreme race'. You fail, again.

    And sorry, but no, 4g. You say Darwin was a bigot therefor evolution was bad. The founding fathers were almost entirely racist and sexist, therefor, you have to hate America, you communist hippie freak.

  • person. Jefferson and Washington owned slaves.

    Maybe you should actually read the Constitution before commenting on it, you fucking redneck.

    Hitler was a christian, just like you. All sins are equal in god's eyes.

    And if your god did existed, he'd make Hitler look like a kind, gentle, sweet old man in comparison. You disgust me, Jennifer. You really are a pathetic little coward.

  • No, he was against it. I can actually quote him saying so :)

    And no, he thought the 'savages' had a crappier culture and weren't as civilized. Not that they were inferior by nature and should be killed.

    Uh, sorry, fuckwit, slavery existed in the United States from its very foundation. Have you ever actually READ a history book?

    Actually, no, the Constitution says no such thing. You're referring to the declaration of independence. The constitution said slaves counted as three fifths of a

  • Besides, 4g, what do you feel about the founding fathers? If Darwin, who was opposed to slavery and eugenics, makes your skin crawl, you must HATE Washington and Jefferson and pretty much all the rest.

    You must hate our Constitution and our country, seeing as how they were both built on acceptance of and support of slavery!

    You are such an utter idiot.

  • So 4g, tell me where in the bible Jesus said it was okay to murder a homosexual?

    You've said murdering gays is fine. I want to know where Jesus said it was cool to do so.

  • My kind is, once again, an American.

    I've been researching for a paper. How about you stick to the argument at hand?

    And yes, Hitler was a christian. He believed in Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior.

    And once again, all you've done so far is show that Darwin and Kassie Dill have the same views on women :)

    Still have done nothing to evolution. Oh, and you've failed to demonstrate your claims about Einstein. Go fuck yourself, redneck.

  • I can say stuff without evidence too.....

  • And if there was no Bible and Martin Luther and his wonderful, uplifting, Christian book - "On the Jews and Their Lies", there would have been no Holocaust.

    Hitler was a Christian creationist. Just like you :)

    You two have a lot in common. Too bad only one of you is dead.

  • It explains what it means to be christian in the bible. Why do you talk as if you know what that word means?

    If you knew what that word meant you wouldn't say such falsities. Hitler, by the definition was not a Christian.

  • Hitler was a Christian. He just wasn't a good christian by YOUR definition.

    Until Jesus Christ comes down and talks to you over tea, shut the fuck up and don't pretend like your interpretation of the Bible is any more or less valid than anyone else's. There are 38,000 versions of "true" Christians, so until you people can decide on what your fairy tale means amongst yourselves, don't expect me to care what your opinion of it is.

  • people off. I have better things to do then sink to the level of utter bigotry and stupidity it would take to engage in any sort of discourse with shockofgod.

    I only reply to your stupid comments so others who are on the fence will see how pathetic and vile you are.

    Do I need to pull up the quotes where you say you'd murder a homosexual if they taught at your kids' school?

  • So, actually, fuckwit, most of the people who accept evolution are theists. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    People like you believe in xtianity because you want to kill and oppress those you don't like. You know, like how you approved of the Mathew Shephard murder? I hope someone beats and kills your family members so you can learn what it feels like to go through that.

    And why the fuck would I want to go on Sog's "radio show"? I've heard it before, he's like Bill O'reilly, just yells and cuts

  • So Darwin's thoughts on women mirror those of the Bible and your BFF, Kassie Dill. I assume you're going to attack her for her belief in that regards, too?

    Sorry, 4G, he believed their CULTURES would go extinct. Not that blacks were inferior by nature to whites.

    He did NOT have a 'supreme race' idea and HE WAS AGAINST EUGENICS. Actually read his fucking books you piece of shit redneck.

    Uh, 4G, evolution is 'pushed' by those with an education. It's why the majority of xtians believe it.

  • Evolution does not push Eugenics. Darwin himself was opposed to it.

    Hitler got his ideas from Martin Luther and Christians such as you.

    And if Darwin wanted to wipe out the 'lower races' (notice, he never says this would be a good thing) why was he so opposed to slavery? Why does he speak so highly of blacks he met in his personal life? Where does he say women are inferior? You fail, AGAIN.

    I've actually read his works. You, as a barely literate mouth breather, have not.

  • And if you've actually read his book, he talks about 'races' as variations of a species that enable it to survive.

    He also writes that all men are roughly equal and was speaking of culture and civilization. He talks about the Spanish civilization being extremely powerful and then falling into disarray. He also talks about how all civilizations have their roots in barbarism.

    So yes, cultural supremacist. NOT 'Blacks and women are inferior by their very nature'. Try again.

  • Great, Jennifer, find a quote or shut up. It's getting tired slapping you around like a bitch.

    Oh, and the hate crimes bill passed. Suck on that, you ignorant little homophobe. :)

  • They're actually numbered by chapter and page number. Are you so fucking retarded you don't know how to cite a source? Wow, you sure are an ignorant little fuck.

    If he says it, then please, quote him or shut the fuck up.

    And the guy in my picture is Mike Huckabee. So you're also POLITICALLY ignorant, too! Who would have guessed!

    Once again, not gay, Jennifer, so you can quit trying to hit on me.

    I don't have to use your definition of 'success', anyways.

  • And Jennifer, who's saying children come from anything other than a man and a woman? I've never claimed that.

    Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and start making real arguments, you hypocritical little shit.

    Still waiting on those Darwin and Einstein quotes! Also still waiting for you to explain how you can be a 'patriot' when our founding fathers were racist and sexist and owned slaves, since you seem to think that racism/sexism would make Darwin's theory wrong.

    Idiot.

  • Wrong, again. Most mutations are neutral. Some are beneficial, some are harmful. Go do some actual research, fuckwit.

    I'll name scriptures when you can provide quotes from Darwin and Einstein backing up what you say. Besides, you already admitted it did promote incest - in the first generation. Check and mate.

    I'm not married because I'm 24 and still in grad school, and I actually want to marry a girl that I love, not some random floozy off the street. Sorry, you fail at that, too.

  • Wrong again. We've directly observed speciation, DNA evidence along with the fossil record backs up the theory.

    Piltdown man (and the other hoaxes) were discovered by *gasp* scientists who support evolution!

    Nope, sorry, it did support incest.

    Me? None. I'm not married yet. Completely irrelevant, by the way, and once again you fail to provide any quotes or evidence of anything backing up your beliefs.

    It's getting old, Jennifer. Why don't you just give it up already?

  • Argument from personal stupidity, 4G. Try again.

    You really shouldn't knock incest when your own fucking bible is chock full of it. Kind of makes you look like - once again - utterly ignorant of your own religion and a hypocrite to boot.

    Sorry,4g, Evolution is scientific fact. I like how you actually can't answer any of my arguments or provide quotes, by the way.

    What's the matter, Jennifer, scared? Afraid of being bitch slapped like when you told your daddy you liked boys? Pathetic.

  • And for the millionth time, even if Darwin said "Women and blacks are pathetic, white men are superior, ha ha ha" it has NO BEARING on whether evolution would be scientifically accurate or not.

    Like I said, most of the founding fathers (if not all) were sexist and racist - more so than Darwin, since a huge number of them OWNED SLAVES, whereas Darwin was vehemently opposed to slavery.

    Yet you still claim to love America! You are a fucking hypocrite.

  • Yes. I will deny it, because Darwin compared cultures and said all of man came from barbaric savage tribes. He was a cultural supremacist and a product of his times, but he did not believe blacks and women were inherently familiar. You've never read anything Darwin wrote, and I'm pretty sure you've never actually read your own Bible, either.

    How about you actually provide quotes from Darwin? Or are you going to fail at that like you fail to provide quotes from Einstein dissing evolution?

  • Yes, you did lie. You said he didn't accept evolution. Einstein said he believed in Spinoza's god - that is, the laws of nature, not your personal little Jesus thing. He was a pantheist.

    My kind? What, Americans? And no, Jennifer, I reply to these videos (mind you, I've been watching Brock's videos longer than you...) because I disagree with them.

    You, on the other hand, operate multiple sock accounts to false flag videos and leave comments calling them fags or threatening them.

    Coward.

  • You are the antithesis of wise. Oh, and by the way, I'm glad you've stopped lying about what Einstein believes.

    Your god frowns on lying, supposedly.

  • Wrong, again. Go actually read Darwin. He was far more civilized than your little thuggish self.

    The Bible was already perverse to begin with. Homosexuals had nothing to do with it :)

    Y'know, 4G, I really hope you mouth off in the wrong forum and someone shoots you in the face.

  • You're a bigot because, well, you are. Go look at the definition.

    And once again, even if Darwin was a racist it is irrelevant to his theory. Most of the founding fathers were racist.  Therefor, by your logic, you should hate America.

    Go fuck yourself you stupid communist douchebag.

  • No I'm not calling you a bigot for not agreeing with a given behaviour. I'm calling you a bigot because of your attitude towards those that practice a given behaviour. I could of just as easily have called you a fundamentalist, or ever a purist. However, I think bigot does the job well enough.

    The irony, in reading your comments on Darwin, is that you fail to see your own bigotry towards homosexuals (exemplified in your choice of words: vile, sick, filthy) and your own level of intolerance.

  • Wow, and you thought Charles Darwin was a bigot!

  • 4G

    ...as well as my country of residence. However, if there is one specific thing that worries me about the USA it has to be the influence of religion, namely Christianity. As it has served nothing more than a pacifier, and a nice warm blanket to the credulous and the ignorant, whilst serving the deceptive self-serving scum as a means for control and power. Your continual waffle about the NWO is pathetic. No wonder you are being laughed at! Go see the world, read some books, educate yourself!

  • ....as well as quite worrying, and sometimes confusing at the same time. Such as:

    - The bible belt

    - 75% Christian nation

    - Poor Math and Science rating (USA vs World)

    - Religious influence in politics, education, social attitudes

    - Power of FAUX News in terms of influence

    - Electoral college system

    I'm sure there are many more things with the USA that I could comment on, but these are the first ones that spring to mind. I'm sure I could find a list of things to comment on about my country too

  • 4G

    No, I'm not saying anything about the USA, why would I? Most of the things I read, listen to, watch and wear probably have a root in the USA. The USA happens to have a constitution that I greatly admire, and a (short) history that I find intriguing as well as very interesting. Even today, I still stay up late to watch the presidential elections, so no, I'm not talking crap about the USA. However, there are many things about your country -about any country in fact - that are laughable...

  • I take it you (cont.)

    - Think The Flintstones is a documentary

    - Think Deliverance was a documentary

    - Watch the rape scenes in "A Time To Kill" whilst jerking off

    - Believe in ghosts

    - Believe in exorcisms

    - You eat your meals with only a fork, and no knife (Classy!)

    - You chew tobacco

    - Disapprove of "mixed race" relationships

    - Believe the bible to be the inspired word of God, even the weird stories like: Noah's Ark, Jonah and the Whale, The Garden of Eden, the Tower of Babel etc

  • 4G I take it you (cont.): - Once served in the military - Got into college with a sports scholarship (pnnffff) - Are a Conservative Republican (who never votes) - Despise Democrats and Liberals - Believe Obama is the Devil incarnate - Believe in a real Hell - Believe in the Devil - Want to see the 10 commandments in courts of law - Would like to see Christmas nativity crap on capitol hill each year - Have never read the bible in its entirety - Prefer guns to people - Hate "fags"
  • You're pretty spot on with that list, betty. He also doesn't know how to read very well and is a fan of lying and making up quotes.

    He still can't produce any saying Einstein didn't believe in evolution, and he ran away like a little girl when I pulled out quotes where Einstein called a personal god a childish thing.

    Because that's what 4g is. He's a stupid little coward and a sad pathetic excuse for a man.

  • Yup, your description was pretty accurate too. I've been amazed at his ignorance, he's kind of like a terrible car crash scene: you want to look away, but you can't. The utter shock and amazement of it all keeps you staring in disbelief.

  • Damn, I just had to hit him again. One more list to the collection. We should make this a competition!!!

  • Wow, I rarely ever have the chance to read so much drivel, from one author, in one go. I'm amazed that you can actually string all those words together, time after time. OK, to be honest, hardly any of it made sense, as it was like reading a Christian child's futuristic/apocalyptic comic book, with your NWO rubbish and your tinfoil hat paranoia.

    I take it you:

    - Don't get out much

    - English is your only language

    - You don't own a passport

    - Live in the south (USA)

    - Wear tinfoil hats at home

  • 4G

    Hahahaha, too funny! If you had already "figured" that out, then why did you ask, and what on earth makes you think that I'm damaged goods? I've put myself through university, I've learned two additional languages (learning a third additional one now) and I've travelled half the world, and I'm in a stable relationship for 6 years.

    Your baseless assertions are mere conjecture. You don't have the numbers on your side, or the personal experiences of the thousands who took part in the study.

  • 4G

    If people aren't born gay, then how do you explain same sex activity in animals then?

    By your own admission, a child lacking natural parental supervision, will more likely turn out to be gay. So if we apply that logic, to what we already know about same sex couplings in animals, what chance does a Cuckoo have? Are they also more likely to turn out to engage in same sex couplings because its parent flew the coop?

  • 4G

    I would like to say that - in my mind at least - sociology lacks the credibility to offer near concrete, or 99% sure answers, as well as the natural sciences are able to. But still, they have been able to demonstrate empirically, that these findings stretch over 20 years of research and thousands of research subjects. I'd have to go with their findings as opposed to your baseless, unfounded biases.

    As for my upbringing, my mother left my father who was an abusive, drunken gambler.

  • You post on videos of users I've commented on. Sorry, 4G, I don't stalk you. You're just an idiot who I like to smack down every time I happen to run across you.

    You're only a legend in your own mind.

  • "You're only a legend in your own mind. "

    Apparently so!

    Seriously, I bet he thinks that he is so valuable that the same people he thinks organized the "inside job" of 9/11 are also hiring "atheists" to harass him on the internet. Pathetic.

    People like 4G are mentally unstable.

  • Yeah, and apparently we have control over the internets so we can track him down magically because we want to give him the secret death mercury swine flu 'vaccine' that turns people into gay.

  • Rithrandil

    You know, instead of vaccinating our populations, we could instead hire-in Jenny McCarthy, I mean she did such a wonderful job curing her son's autism, that I genuinely think that she is the only spokeswoman we could ever consider for this cause!!! While we are at it, we could ask Tom Cruise to offer his healing abilities to those suffering from depression, and who seek psychiatric help, as well as asking 4G to cure homosexuality with his "Two parents = No gay kids" method! Well?

  • Oh you silly little child!

    No one followed you to 100+ channels, EVERYONE around you is simply disgusted with your billshit that they need to clean up the mess.

    How can I justify someone refuting a retarded child every time they make wild and baseless assertions? The real question is how can YOU justify your lies and BS?

    Correcting your fallacies and blatant lies isn't the issue, YOUR need to make those fallacies and lies in the first place IS the issue.

  • Why dont you just accept your bullshit religion requires faith and leave it at that, instead of pretending you have a damn clue and looking for validation on the web?

    Why do you feel the need make shit up about authority figures, anyway? Do you seriously think it actually matters what they believe? Its an OPINION of theirs, and while a great mathematician might have some awesome contributions in MATH, any RELIGIOUS input is opinion.

    Look up the fallacy Argument from Authority. You lose

  • "pathetic reprobates who stalk me on youtube???"

    HAHHAHAH!!!

    You think you are worth stalking?

    You are the one vomiting your ignorance here. You are being corrected, dipshit, NO ONE is stalking you because they are simply cleaning up the embarrassing mess you left here.

    Get your head out of your ass, little boy.

  • How about you actually provide quotes by Einstein saying he's a creationist and doesn't support evolution? You can't, because he never said that.

    Sorry, dude, but you fail, again. Come back when you've actually read what Einstein, the founding fathers, or anyone else you supposedly follow says. Your whole repressed homosexual overcompensating for his effeminate nature bit is getting old. Just admit you're gay and move on.

  • Stalk you? Sorry, chief, been conversing with Brock long before you reared your little head here.

    And no, actually, it's not. Unlike you I've actually read what Einstein said. He didn't believe in a god. He thinks your beliefs are childish. Please quit besmirching the name of a great man by identifying your pathetic beliefs with him.

    Nah, I like evolution because it's true. See, unlike you, I don't need justification for my beliefs. You like the bible because it lets you hate gays.

  • 4G, give it up. You've proven yourself to be an idiot, and you've been slapped down like the little effeminate bitch you are every time you open your mouth.

    What, is lying about Einstein not good enough for you? You're pathetic.

  • 4G

    ...no measurable effect on the quality of parent-child relationships or on the mental health of children.

    But regardless of the findings, would it bother you personally, if your children grew up, and then told you they were gay? Would you feel as though you've failed as a parent? Would you think "if only I took him to soccer practice more often" or "if only I didn't let him cook with his mother in the kitchen so often"?

    I'm not a parent, but it wouldn't bother me at all if my child was gay!

  • 4G

    d) children are better off without "outside influence"

    e) same sex parents can't bring up a child as well as parents of opposite gender

    According to research carried out by University of California sociologists, children with lesbian or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity, are less confined by gender stereotypes.

    Although in later life they are "probably more likely" to explore homosexual activity themselves, the studies indicate that sexual orientation has....