This is the most monotonous piece of "classical" music I've ever heard. Reminds me again that I have no love for Schoenberg. Give me Hindemith or Stravinsky any day, but not this guy.
Schoenberg’s style recognized “no distinction between consonance and dissonance, so that harmonically speaking, literally anything goes.” Schoenberg once cracked to a pupil, “Now that I’ve emancipated dissonance, anybody can be a composer.” Removing the qualitative distinction between consonance and dissonance “eliminates the concept of the one being beautiful and the other ugly.”
YOU CAN FEEL THE RAW EMOTION IN THE MUSIC. UNLIKE SOME OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL PEICES COMING OUT AT THE TIME. i GUESS THATS THE POINT. STILL IT FEELS LIKE HORROR MOVIE MUSIC. iT FEELS LIKE FEAR OR UNCERTAINTY.
Fucking sick. I'm working on my own 12 tone writing. I have been writing my music during Algebra and other classes in school.
It's actually the first piece I've written. Ever. And it's for piano. I'll throw it up when I'm done with it. It's very very difficult. Not impossible. Just hard enough so nobody I know can play it :p
i have a question. there is a modern violin sonata which was written by a composer who i think was named Say or Issai or something like that. i looked up Say's violin sonata though and it wasn't that one.
i heard this guy play this sonata at the conservatory i go to, but i just can't remember the composer. it's incredibly expressive to the point of being scary because it brings out emotions which are sort of... unnatural to a sane person.
DougYfunnie, I have to agree and dissagree with you. This actually is considered classical music, and without the foundation set by composers like Beethoven, Bach, and even more progressive composers like Stravinsky, newer, more "exciting" music wouldn't be what it is today. I have no problem with your opinion that Beethoven is boring, but as progressive and underrated as this music is today, the like could be said for Beethoven is his.
This sounds like he chopped up Brahms's c minor quartet, put it in a blender, then put the resulting liquid in a twelve-tone mould for it to set. I want to hear it a few more times, but I think it's kind of cool....
Didn't he come up with the twelve-tone system? Sounds like it's fairly atonal though. But I guess that there is a certain pattern but it's difficult to determine.
This is one of Schoenberg's half-dozen greatest works, which is another way of saying that this os one of the two or three greatest pieces ever written.
Ones persons idea of nice is someones elses idea of horrible. Like MARMITE. You might not like it. Maybe thats because you do not understand it. I do not know but its not right to suggest it is crap. Just something you don't like listening to. Also this is not orchestral music. This is a string quartet. Orchestral music involves more than four musicians and it does not have to consprise of modernist music.
Marmite is an acquired taste you moron therefore completely irrelevent to the subject. Also this music is bland like toast which is fine if you like it like that but most people use butter something on the lines of that would have been better as an analogy you dickhead.
If you had told me that English wasn't your first language I would have backed off and just advised you in that case not to nit-pick grammar issues. However, you people invented the language and yet more often than not you slaughter it as much as my redneck neighbors from TN. If you can't hold yourself up with a real argument just don't say shit and apologize but don't be a typical British asshole and decide just because I'm an American that I'm ignorant. That is ignorant.
It's just funny to me how the British can get into shit slinging matches with Americans and use petty nonsensical banter to avoid issues and yet once everyone gets down and starts spitting low-brow comments at each then the British wanna back out. I was reading in The Economist the other day and the journalist said that a lot of the America hate in Britian had died down and I almost lost it 'cause I know that was a blatant lie. He had the nerve to ask us to "do the same".
Part of the genius is that he was an autodidact, not only in composition but in painting. A very admirable trait. The other part is that he helped to invent a musical language that has opened up a whole different, yet equal, parrellel musical universe to that of traditional tonal music composition. There is much left to learn in tonal music, I'm sure, but now we have double the music to discover. Either that merits the word genius or nothing does. Besides the dictionary definition is very vague.
I also love the fact that you call others unintelligent while your gramar is just as atrocious as theirs. I assume that's how you determine their intelligence since you are on an anonymous forum and would have no other way of knowing. You are a tool.
I also find it funny that you accuse my GRAMMAR of being incorrect. This mainly is probably because you are an American and I am British and Americans spell lots of words differently such as colour go ahead and learn some culture other than your own you cretin
You forgot a period, that has nothing to do with British and American grammar, they both have periods I believe. Just like a fucking British bastard to assume that I'm just firing off because I'm an American. This has nothing to do with the grammar problem really just the fact that you're insulting people who you are no better than. If you don't like Schoenberg just gtfo. BTW, the Britian vs. American thing is just a lame British ploy to avoid issues such as a real argument.
I'm sorry that I mispelled grammar the first time it was late here and I was tired but of course I wasn't telling people they were unintelligent so I have nothing to prove. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna criticize you might wanna make sure your grammar and spelling are perfect. Also, don't avoid arguments based on nationality because it just makes your country look like a bunch of whining bitches.
Perhaps British people in the public eye have begun to level out their hatred for America but I know the common Briton has not or I wouldn't get so much shit for being American whenever I want to discuss a British band and/or (to a lesser extent) composer (I don't really discuss any British composers).
Though, I digress, the original point of this whole thing was that if Schoenberg was not genius in music then who was? Besides Bach's basic tonal musical theory, Schoenberg's efforts have been the most important in much of musical history. Like I said he created a parrallel universe in music.
one thing i don't hate americans and I think the gun posetion law makes alot of sense since anyone could make a bomb out of household items. Also the word genius applies to people like Beethoven who can keep the audience entranced for years after their death.
Yes, Beethoven is a genius but what does that have to do with Schoenberg not being a genius. He meets your genius criteria. If Schoenberg did not also keep the audience entranced for years after his death then it wouldn't be here. Hell, he's even entrancing you because you are here arguing about his work. Also, if you don't hate Americans don't start petty squabbles over nationality.
fuck beethoven, his music is boring as shit. you say schonberg is bland, well I would say the same about beethoven. the only thing that keeps beethoven and the like popular throughout the years is the fact that people like you keep perpetuating this fantasy that Classical music is "Sophisticated" and "Elevated" above popular music. Go on and listen to your god-awful Serious Classical Music and leave Schonberg to the people who aren't afraid of something newer and truly exciting
(I am findingusernamesucks) Fuck you, Beethoven is great. Schoenberg too is great as I so adamantly defended. Schoenberg is "Serious Classical Music". You hating on Beethoven is as bad as that other person trying to raise him above Schoenberg.
my comment was not directed towards you, but i will still say that while schoenberg isn't my favorite composer -he's far from it- he is far more interesting to listen to than beethoven
Despite the fact that Schoenberg greatly admired Beethoven, I have to say that I have many CDs by both composers and definitely prefer Schoenberg. There is always something interesting going on in Schoenberg. Beethoven is more appropriate as wallpaper, music for a candlelight dinner with a date or something like that.
What a gem! Thank you for sharing!
GeoJDr 5 months ago
His music is DRIVING and compelling.
miker2001 9 months ago
this is some serious shit
blackvolgan 1 year ago
This is the most monotonous piece of "classical" music I've ever heard. Reminds me again that I have no love for Schoenberg. Give me Hindemith or Stravinsky any day, but not this guy.
werothegreat 1 year ago
Schoenberg’s style recognized “no distinction between consonance and dissonance, so that harmonically speaking, literally anything goes.” Schoenberg once cracked to a pupil, “Now that I’ve emancipated dissonance, anybody can be a composer.” Removing the qualitative distinction between consonance and dissonance “eliminates the concept of the one being beautiful and the other ugly.”
PrintmakingToday 1 year ago
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SoSleepySoSueMe 5 months ago
Fuk dis crap lol made by olwd grandads lol gunna listen 2 sum solja boi.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 1 year ago
@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX lol touche.. nice trolling style, very witty, good use of bad grammar.
8.9/10 :D
calimachos123 1 year ago
@calimachos123 lol, but there are actually ignoramus' that would actually troll a classical piece like that, thats what scares me.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading, now I know I don't understand dodecaphony. Found it horrible and a fraude. Maybe in the next life!
Alex79bcn 1 year ago
@Alex79bcn Fraude? What on earth are you talking about?
RogueRotting360 1 year ago
Pling plong to the bone
ml191172 1 year ago
YOU CAN FEEL THE RAW EMOTION IN THE MUSIC. UNLIKE SOME OF THE MORE TRADITIONAL PEICES COMING OUT AT THE TIME. i GUESS THATS THE POINT. STILL IT FEELS LIKE HORROR MOVIE MUSIC. iT FEELS LIKE FEAR OR UNCERTAINTY.
luckygrenade7 1 year ago
I feel like he's looking into my soul
Tool9395 1 year ago
@Tool9395 he's not. he's looking at the floor. it hasn't been properly swept
cuddlesducks 1 year ago
Amazing performance and music. Thanks so much for sharing it with the world on YouTube.
rheumer 1 year ago
Very nice
Darkwarrior702 2 years ago
What is even more remarkable is that the Kolisch Quartet performed this, and most pieces, from memory!
Their cellist, Benar Heifetz, was a colleague of my father in the Albeneri Trio, and used to tell us stories about his Kolisch years.
ipmoic 2 years ago 3
@ipmoic That really is remarkable! I had never heard that before. Thanks!
NewMusicXX 2 years ago
Fucking sick. I'm working on my own 12 tone writing. I have been writing my music during Algebra and other classes in school.
It's actually the first piece I've written. Ever. And it's for piano. I'll throw it up when I'm done with it. It's very very difficult. Not impossible. Just hard enough so nobody I know can play it :p
AbramoMike 2 years ago 2
The piece you are searching for is Eugene Ysaye Violin Sonata, there are 6 of them, but probably the most famous one is the third, "Ballade"
maraxus83 2 years ago
i have a question. there is a modern violin sonata which was written by a composer who i think was named Say or Issai or something like that. i looked up Say's violin sonata though and it wasn't that one.
i heard this guy play this sonata at the conservatory i go to, but i just can't remember the composer. it's incredibly expressive to the point of being scary because it brings out emotions which are sort of... unnatural to a sane person.
god0fmusic 2 years ago
i think you're reffering to claude debussy
daremo604 2 years ago
isn't it Eugène Ysaÿe?
look for his name in the wikipedia. chances are that it's him you have in mind...
frederico99 1 year ago
@frederico99
yea, that's it, thanks
god0fmusic 1 year ago
DougYfunnie, I have to agree and dissagree with you. This actually is considered classical music, and without the foundation set by composers like Beethoven, Bach, and even more progressive composers like Stravinsky, newer, more "exciting" music wouldn't be what it is today. I have no problem with your opinion that Beethoven is boring, but as progressive and underrated as this music is today, the like could be said for Beethoven is his.
moredoughnuts01 2 years ago
This sounds like he chopped up Brahms's c minor quartet, put it in a blender, then put the resulting liquid in a twelve-tone mould for it to set. I want to hear it a few more times, but I think it's kind of cool....
MaestroTJS 2 years ago
Didn't he come up with the twelve-tone system? Sounds like it's fairly atonal though. But I guess that there is a certain pattern but it's difficult to determine.
avb20540 2 years ago
This is one of Schoenberg's half-dozen greatest works, which is another way of saying that this os one of the two or three greatest pieces ever written.
lendallpitts 2 years ago
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This is so Jewish.
MyManMahmoud 2 years ago
... How? ...
564steph 2 years ago
if u go 2 ke5ways and is doing this for homework... could you please help me
LOLnSmilee 2 years ago
Its just a clash of different noises that are ruining my brain! Someone make it stop!!!!!!!
wombat989 2 years ago
No im sorry this is shit. That is not just because i hate orchestral music but because it just is. And for your information, I LIKE MARMITE!
wombat989 2 years ago
No. It is not shit. It isn't just shit. The only 'just' is that you don't like it. There are merits to this music whether you enjoy it or not.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago 2
I like this quartet a lot. Nice to hear it in an authentic old recording. Thanks for uploading.
xauga 2 years ago 3
Anybody notice how the picture zooms as the music continues? Fuckin' weird.
suburbanbarbarian 2 years ago 10
@suburbanbarbarian
haha i think thats an optical illusion type of thing
i noticed it too but realised it wasn't actually moving at all
mohemish 1 year ago
Ones persons idea of nice is someones elses idea of horrible. Like MARMITE. You might not like it. Maybe thats because you do not understand it. I do not know but its not right to suggest it is crap. Just something you don't like listening to. Also this is not orchestral music. This is a string quartet. Orchestral music involves more than four musicians and it does not have to consprise of modernist music.
dorkyrabbit 2 years ago 2
Marmite is an acquired taste you moron therefore completely irrelevent to the subject. Also this music is bland like toast which is fine if you like it like that but most people use butter something on the lines of that would have been better as an analogy you dickhead.
kyuubikidtajuu 2 years ago
If you had told me that English wasn't your first language I would have backed off and just advised you in that case not to nit-pick grammar issues. However, you people invented the language and yet more often than not you slaughter it as much as my redneck neighbors from TN. If you can't hold yourself up with a real argument just don't say shit and apologize but don't be a typical British asshole and decide just because I'm an American that I'm ignorant. That is ignorant.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
It's just funny to me how the British can get into shit slinging matches with Americans and use petty nonsensical banter to avoid issues and yet once everyone gets down and starts spitting low-brow comments at each then the British wanna back out. I was reading in The Economist the other day and the journalist said that a lot of the America hate in Britian had died down and I almost lost it 'cause I know that was a blatant lie. He had the nerve to ask us to "do the same".
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
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lo it is agreed notice how only un intelligent people have called him a genius. they probably dont even know what that means
kyuubikidtajuu 3 years ago
Part of the genius is that he was an autodidact, not only in composition but in painting. A very admirable trait. The other part is that he helped to invent a musical language that has opened up a whole different, yet equal, parrellel musical universe to that of traditional tonal music composition. There is much left to learn in tonal music, I'm sure, but now we have double the music to discover. Either that merits the word genius or nothing does. Besides the dictionary definition is very vague.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I also love the fact that you call others unintelligent while your gramar is just as atrocious as theirs. I assume that's how you determine their intelligence since you are on an anonymous forum and would have no other way of knowing. You are a tool.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I also find it funny that you accuse my GRAMMAR of being incorrect. This mainly is probably because you are an American and I am British and Americans spell lots of words differently such as colour go ahead and learn some culture other than your own you cretin
kyuubikidtajuu 2 years ago
You forgot a period, that has nothing to do with British and American grammar, they both have periods I believe. Just like a fucking British bastard to assume that I'm just firing off because I'm an American. This has nothing to do with the grammar problem really just the fact that you're insulting people who you are no better than. If you don't like Schoenberg just gtfo. BTW, the Britian vs. American thing is just a lame British ploy to avoid issues such as a real argument.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
You forgot a period and you put a space in unintelligent . . . I don't think those are British things I think those are just hypocrite things.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
I'm sorry that I mispelled grammar the first time it was late here and I was tired but of course I wasn't telling people they were unintelligent so I have nothing to prove. All I'm saying is that if you are gonna criticize you might wanna make sure your grammar and spelling are perfect. Also, don't avoid arguments based on nationality because it just makes your country look like a bunch of whining bitches.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Perhaps British people in the public eye have begun to level out their hatred for America but I know the common Briton has not or I wouldn't get so much shit for being American whenever I want to discuss a British band and/or (to a lesser extent) composer (I don't really discuss any British composers).
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
Though, I digress, the original point of this whole thing was that if Schoenberg was not genius in music then who was? Besides Bach's basic tonal musical theory, Schoenberg's efforts have been the most important in much of musical history. Like I said he created a parrallel universe in music.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
one thing i don't hate americans and I think the gun posetion law makes alot of sense since anyone could make a bomb out of household items. Also the word genius applies to people like Beethoven who can keep the audience entranced for years after their death.
kyuubikidtajuu 2 years ago
Yes, Beethoven is a genius but what does that have to do with Schoenberg not being a genius. He meets your genius criteria. If Schoenberg did not also keep the audience entranced for years after his death then it wouldn't be here. Hell, he's even entrancing you because you are here arguing about his work. Also, if you don't hate Americans don't start petty squabbles over nationality.
findingusernamesucks 2 years ago
fuck beethoven, his music is boring as shit. you say schonberg is bland, well I would say the same about beethoven. the only thing that keeps beethoven and the like popular throughout the years is the fact that people like you keep perpetuating this fantasy that Classical music is "Sophisticated" and "Elevated" above popular music. Go on and listen to your god-awful Serious Classical Music and leave Schonberg to the people who aren't afraid of something newer and truly exciting
DougYfunnie 2 years ago
(I am findingusernamesucks) Fuck you, Beethoven is great. Schoenberg too is great as I so adamantly defended. Schoenberg is "Serious Classical Music". You hating on Beethoven is as bad as that other person trying to raise him above Schoenberg.
DocHou72 2 years ago
my comment was not directed towards you, but i will still say that while schoenberg isn't my favorite composer -he's far from it- he is far more interesting to listen to than beethoven
DougYfunnie 2 years ago
Despite the fact that Schoenberg greatly admired Beethoven, I have to say that I have many CDs by both composers and definitely prefer Schoenberg. There is always something interesting going on in Schoenberg. Beethoven is more appropriate as wallpaper, music for a candlelight dinner with a date or something like that.
Bolender 2 years ago
touche
DougYfunnie 2 years ago
the correct opinion (:
clubsandwedge 2 years ago
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Absolute crap. This is why no one likes orchestral music. X(
Saiyuki989 3 years ago
he is genius artist! sound great!!!!
knufzzaj 3 years ago 3
Que obra tan magnifica!!!!!!!!!!!
hexatonico 3 years ago 3
^__^
DougYfunnie 3 years ago