Re: Libertyville Abortion Demonstration

[WhiteStar11111]

The father of the baby should have a legal veto to stop the abortion.

[Baxxter101]

In my opinion about 90% of the current population should have been aborted... STOP PISSING IN THE GENE POOL.

[UndeadLight]

"Pro-Life" and "Kill" in the same sentence?

[SillyNeNe]

And so christopher is proving akqguy's comment where a MAN should have NO SAY on this subject.

Christopher, when you grow a uterus, you can decide what to do with it. Until then, stay away from mine!

[ddevonb]

It was a bunch men who decided Roe vs Wade. In any poll men are far more pro-choice than women. If it was purely up to the majority of women, far fewer abortions would be allowed under the law.

[reportedyou3]

RIGHT...and it is MILLIONS of MEN who walk into abortion clinics every year and get abortions.

POLLS? I think statistics speak for themselves. If the majority of women were opposed to abortion, they wouldn't get them. Thus...NO MORE ABORTIONS...and no more arguments.

YOur "THEORY" because that's all it is is FALSE FALSE FALSE... and invalid either way.

[christopherduke]

Don't worry, Roe V. Wade will be overturned...mark my words. I can't wait to shut the doors on abortion clinics by whatever means necessary...of course legally.  :)

[SillyNeNe]

"Dont' worry, Roe V. Wade will be overturned..."

Not worried at all. And it won't. Not in our lifetime FOR SURE!! Mark MY words.

But you think what you need to so you feel better. And keep trying...

[christopherduke]

Unbelieveable the comments here. People are actually arguing at what point the baby should be killed. Strip away all of the euphemisms and so-called "facts" and all you have is just rationalization for a sick secular progessive ideology.

[SillyNeNe]

I agree. NO babies should ever be killed. But a woman has the right to terminate the life of an unborn fetus.

Not to mention, once again, this is only YOUR opinion.

Abortions being legal certainly is a secular progressive ideology. SICK? Well that is a matter of opinion.

[christopherduke]

Only my opinion? Clearly you are blind to the majority of opinions in the US. Again, bring fact to the debate; otherwise we cannot HAVE a debate.

[SillyNeNe]

The majority? There are millions of abortions a year...I think that speaks for the MAJORITY opinion.

And you are re-stating what I have stated. That is only YOUR OPINION.  I agree that I cannot argue what you believe because it is not right or wrong, just right for you and wrong for me.

You keep re-stating what others say. What is your point?

[thisisbunk]

lol, things "should be removed" so that we can avoid future genetical issues!!!...

(i am not condoning this view, but i do find it funny)

id like to hear more about the gender issue.

i agree with you about the most important lesson in this vid. it proves that when left their own devices, people are much more peaceful than the State could ever be.

look up the stats on why women have abortions.

it's very telling.

"social reasons vs. medical reasons"

[christopherduke]

Does anyone really think that abortion is NOT murder? Wow, it's hard to believe people try and rationalize abortion. How do they do it? I'll tell you. They completely take GOD out of the picture. Bottom line, it is a child in the womb with feelings, thought, nerve endings, emotions, etc. Anyone who refutes it is just blind and doesn't WANT to see the truth. My answer? People that have illegal abortions should go to jail for life or get the death penalty, just like any other murderer.

[addmoreice]

"thoughts feelings and nerve endings" depends on when. if you "abort" 125 cells then there are no thoughts, feelings or nerve endings.

Why not take YOUR religion out of the equation and try to convince me through facts and reason instead of emotional freak outs?

I am saddened when there is a loss of a POTENTIAL human being, but then I'm saddened also when catholic freaks explain you can't use condoms because there evil while the people involved are all dieing of aids. what is more important?

[SillyNeNe]

add: "thoughts feelings and nerve endings" depends on when. if you "abort" 125 cells then there are no thoughts, feelings or nerve endings."

Exactly. We are talking about non-sentient, non-feeling fetuses. Not actual children. I am against aborting a viable fetus, too. What is the sense? Just deliver it. Problem solved.

And the whole anti-contraceptive-RIDICULOUS! How can you be against abortion yet not for something to prevent UNWANTED preg? No unwanted preg = no abortion. DUH!

[christopherduke]

Thanks, you proved my point.

[christopherduke]

And you know this how? Now you're at a disadvantage because you can't explain it. hhhmmmmm?

[addmoreice]

is it killing? yes, yes it is. is it MURDER as sillyNeNE points out? nope.

and until you can PROVE a dualism of body and spirit _claiming_ that a collection of 125 cells is capable of feeling and having emotions is a moot point.

if you believe god gives a soul at conception what about identical twins? one soul in two? one soul for one none for the other?

chimarism? two (or more) souls trapped in one body? any explanations that work with the whole dualism idea?

[SillyNeNe]

oh my dear addmoreice...go back and actually READ my comment again.

NOWHERE did I, nor would I, say that it is MURDER. I said a 3rd trimester abortion is AS DISTURBING TO ME as MURDER. Not that it IS murder. Does this help? Comprehend now?

Of course we all know that abortion is not murder. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a human and abortion is not illegal. I am intelligent and capable of understanding and knowing this.

Seems you will argue for sake of arguing?

[christopherduke]

Well I cannot argue with illogical comments. And you know for a fact that "all" people think abortion isn't murder? And how is that? If you said around 50% think it isn't murder, then I'll entertain it. Still waiting for a rational argument here. When you decide to post one, I'll debate it. Thank you.

[SillyNeNe]

You clearly do not have the intelligence to argue anything.

There is no opinion in the statement that "MURDER IS ILLEGAL, ABORTION IS LEGAL, THUS ABORTION IS NOT MURDER."

You can THINK it SHOULD be murder. That is another issue. But it is NOT murder.

There was no debate to be had.

Not to mention, was I addressing you?

Still confused?

[christopherduke]

Here we go with the insults.  WHEN will we see an argument...I wonder. Hhhhhmmm?

[christopherduke]

Can you prove it is not a human? NOPE, you cannot. Stop trying to argue that the world is flat.

[SillyNeNe]

christopher:"Does anyone really think that abortion is NOT murder?"

Actually, intelligent people KNOW it isn't. Murder is the illegal killing of another human being. Abortion is legal, thus, not murder.

You can WISH it were murder. You can think it heinous and horrible. That would be your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

However the FACT is that it is not murder.

[betterthnnothing]

Are you willing to build the jails to house one-third of American women? I'd like to hear your plan for that. Also, who's going to do things like raise their children and do their jobs?

[christopherduke]

Well my plan is more preventive in nature. It's called don't have sex if you can't handle the consequences. If you would have actually read my posts, I wouldn't have had to waste my time with anwering your stupid question/assertion. I'll indulge your amateur intellect. My plan would be to give up the baby for adoption. There are a lot of people that would love to adopt a child. Pretty simple Einstein.

[SillyNeNe]

"Well my plan is more preventive in nature. It's called don't have sex if you can't handle the consequences."

If this works for you, God bless! But WHO ARE YOU to determine the sexual habits and/or reproductive rights of others?

YOUR PLAN is to give the baby up...how many babies have you had? You act like that would be such an "EASY" choice....oh there's that word....CHOICE! Pretty simple EINSTEIN...you make YOUR choice and others will make theirs.

[christopherduke]

So it is easier to kill one rather than give one up for adoption? Also, I can tell you are examining your position; struggling from within. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself rather than me. Hope it works out for you.

[SillyNeNe]

It's not about what is "easier". It is about what is the right decision for each woman based on HER life, HER body and HER beliefs. You get to make the choices for YOUR body. She gets to make them for hers.

FOR YOU, it is the easier "plan" to not have sex. (Guessing no one will have you?) For others, that doesn't work. No struggling. I like sex...I LOVE my husband...I have 4 kids...don't want more. Who are you to judge and make choices for others? Is being GOD so easy?

[jyoung78]

Well-done. I had similar reservations about the way the guy in the video asked the question, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.

[jyoung78]

Well-done. I had similar reservations about the way the guy in the video asked the question, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.

[SillyNeNe]

I respect your opinion, akqguy. This was a nice response.

Of course I agree with the "no womb-no say" thoughts...if only more men saw things your way.

I have to tell you that I actually saw this demonstration and it was disturbing beyond words. I wanted to mow them all down with my car... was tempting. The pictures were offensive and R rated. How is this permitted in public? Yet a guy taking a leak at 3:00 am gets indecent exposure???? GOtta love the USA!

[akqguy]

Yeah, I have to say, in Alaska they have a stand at the state fair, and it's a little disturbing the pics they're allowed to throw out there for all the little kids to see. I respect their right to protest, but some amount of appropriatness should be applied to their "tools".

Thanks

Q

[christopherduke]

The pictures were disturbing? That's what abortion is. Can't take it? Or do you just want to pretend it doesn't happen? Sounds like it is bothering your conscience.

[SillyNeNe]

christopher: Sounds like you haven't got a clue.

The thought of 3rd tri abortions is VERY disturbing to me as well. The acts of MURDER and RAPE is equally disturbing...do people stand on corners & show pictures of women being raped? WHY NOT?

Pictures made available to ADULTS interested in viewing them is one thing. They SHOULD NOT be displayed in public.

Child birth is perfectly natural but I wouldn't want my CHILD to view that either. It should be left to MY discretion NOT THEIRS!!

[christopherduke]

Hhhmmm, you proved my point for me.

[SillyNeNe]

Hhhmmm you sound sound confused.

I am not.

Showing these pictures is wrong. As wrong as the act itself.

Period.

You can sit and wonder all you want. I have no doubts.

[christopherduke]

I "sound sound" confused? Wow...how confused confused are YOU?  LOL

[leiapeison]

i think society is moving away from the need for abortion. abortion rates are falling every year and i truly believe if we all work together we can work to make the procedure virtually unnecessary.

[greenwickedness]

What's so impartial about asking about their ultimate plan for abolishing abortion? There was an inconsistency to their all of their answers. True journalists have to jump on inconsistencies. I do have a respect for your opinion on this subject, but I just don't think the film makers were necessarily impartial. Even if you feel that their reluctance to answer the questions is a sign they were good people, they need to have good arguments if they want to be taken seriously.

[greenwickedness]

Why else would they be demonstrating in the first place?

[SillyNeNe]

I have to agree w/green on this one. Part of being a good reporter is asking the tough or uncomfortable questions- even playing devil's advocate. Impartiality isn't even an issue for me w/this video.

As for being good Christian's, I think it was more that they just don't truly view abortion as "murder" like they claim to. If they did, they would all have answered as the one woman did, "I suppose it should carry the same penalty that murder does." ya think? Either it's murder or it's not.

[machoneMS]

A common misconception, that women use abortion as a form of birth control. This simply isn't true, 1) Do you realize how much that would cost? 2) Do you think women actually want to have abortions?

[akqguy]

Actually, no it's not. I've known three different women in ANchorage ALaksa alone who used it just as that. And whether they "want" to, I would think they would go out of their way not to, but I don't pretend to live in another person's head and understand their reasoning, or lack there of.

[SillyNeNe]

I'm pro-choice, machone, and even I would agree that many abortions are used as a form of contraception. (akqguy, I also know several girls who did this) And while I am not thrilled about this, freedom is only so when no conditions are put upon it. So if I believe in the FREEDOM of CHOICE, I cannot say abortion is okay except in the case of those not using birth control.

But yes, this simply IS true.

[yareking]

inpartial? your not watching the news very often.

[akqguy]

I agree, news agancies and journalists in general seem to be forgetting that they're supposed to be reporting facts, not their opinion of them.  But I do believe some do try, where as this one blatantly had an agenda.

[SurvivorsIndiana]

FYI - Jesus Christ and Paul taught to judge in John 7:24 and 1 Cor 6:2-5. Read those chapters. Paul also made it cler that members of the Body of Christ are not to associate with those who are unrepentant of sexual immorality in 1 Cor 5. he spent the ENTIRE chapter on that subject.

Also, the best video response to that video is Bob Enyart's response. Look to your right and click on it.

Also, there are no bumper stickers that say "KILL ABORTIONISTS"

[SurvivorsIndiana]

Hey akqguy, are you like a flaming homo or something? I ask because you seem to talk using that manufactured fake homo lisp that homos use for the sole purpose of letting everyone within earshot know that they suck cock which makes decent people mauseous when that comes to mind.

You admit that you talk with a lisp because you want those who hear your voice to know that you suck cock and take it up the ass right? What other reason could you possibly have? Seriously!

[nauyaq]

You're a retard.

[roevswade]

Very good video! I hope that we can become friends. Thank your honesty

[akqguy]

Thank you, it's good to see people out there looking at some of these videos I felt were important.

Q

[cariosus]

I'm really glad you said something about the male's persepective on the issue. As a woman, it is incredibly frustrating driving by abortion protests and seeing a bunch of men calling women murderers for wanting to claim control over what is in their bodies. I just can't believe their audacity, I could never do that. "I think your reporters kind of sucked ..." heh, good video.

[cariosus]

by "do that" I meant, I could never take such a strong public stance on telling men they don't have this/that right in regards to their body. Hm, I guess there is no real good analogy so I couldn't say. Maybe male circumcision ...

[akqguy]

Not even close in terms of pain or sacredness. Thank you so much for your words, this was one of the videos I was really hesitant about posting and I redid over and over and have recieved much negative feed back on. It's good to know someon "gets it." on occasion.

Q

[SurvivorsIndiana]

FYI to anyone reading what cariosus wrote above:

wanting to claim control over what is in their bodies = violently murdering her baby or babies and throwing them in the trash

[ratiocinativeness]

I agree with your medical view. Underdeveloped or maldeveloped babies are a harm to mothers- especially if you can prove such things scientifically. But babies who are developing normally... I'm not so sure if they should be aborted... which is another debate.

[akqguy]

I agree, and would rather see a healthy baby placed in a caring family situation. I think abortion is a huge issue, with so many facets that no one law can hope to do it justice.

Thank you for your thoughts.

[christopherduke]

Hey why don't we just extend abortion rights until the baby is a year old? This way, the Mom isn't inconvenienced in any way. Better yet, let's just start executing mentally handicapped people and old people. Wow, you people are dangerous. Kind of sounds like 1940s Germany.

[SillyNeNe]

Another ridiculous and invalid statement. BUt a tactic used by many pro-lifers.

Hitler used racial grounds to exterminate Jews and other "undesirables." In the reproductive rights movement, no one is out to kill all embryos or even those of a specific group or race. It is an insult to the memory of human beings murdered by the Nazis to equate them with embryos for anti-abortion propaganda.

[christopherduke]

Tactic...no, fact. See that is where your ideology resides. You don't believe it is a human. I and a majority of personnel in the US believe it is a life at the outset. So I would be careful throwing out your unsupported assertions.

[SillyNeNe]

You are WRONG. Do not presume to know what I or other pro-choicers think or believe. You could not be MORE wrong.

I absolutely believe the fetus is of the HUMAN race. What else is it? Monkey?

The FETUS is not BORN into this world and so legally has NO SOCIAL RIGHTS. Eve if it did, you cannot take away one person's rights to save anothers. If I am dying, the government cannot FORCE you to do something to your body...like give me blood..or a kidney or anything else...to save my life.

[SillyNeNe]

Kindly show me your FACTS in the statement "Hey why don't we just extend abortion rights until the baby is a year old? This way, the Mom isn't inconvenienced in any way. Better yet, let's just start executing mentally handicapped people and old people. Wow, you people are dangerous. Kind of sounds like 1940s Germany."

You are a JOKE...you give OPINION and spew false propaganda yet when one responds with equal OPINION based on THEIR OWN beliefs, it's tactic. ha!

Keep trying ...it's funny.

[christopherduke]

lol...it's funny because I am winning the argument?

[SillyNeNe]

Since you asked a question, I will answer. No. You are not. Not winning at all. Certainly not because you think so. Certainly not because you say so. Abortions are illegal? Since when? So you have won how, again?

[christopherduke]

No, it pretty much lines up with your ideology. What's the dference? "Reproductive rights movement?" Love the euphemisms for murder. If it makes you feel better, less guilty, I suppose you should use these terms. Bottom line, once a woman opens her legs and becomes pregnant as a result, she HAS no rights at this point to kill the baby. I know you'll come back with this one; "Well what is she was raped?" My answer?: It still doesn't give her the right to determine life or death.

[SillyNeNe]

And there it goes...I knew it wouldn't take long. You TRIED to use big words and phrases...but the buttom line always ends with a grunt.

"Once a women opens her legs..." Always resorting to a derogatory remark.

You are WRONG again. For one, it is not a baby. It is a fetus. Second, you CANNOT TAKE AWAY a person's rights. What's next? YOU get to decide who can even get pregnant in the first place? C'mon. (rape...not even an issue for me...wrong again!)

[christopherduke]

Actually, I am correct. And you are....to determine whether I am right or wrong? LOL

[christopherduke]

Does this make you feel better to rationalize when a human life begins?  I guess it helps you sleep at night. Lastly, abortion is not a right, it is an allowance of law. Roe v. Wade; will give it 5 years tops, so go ahead and abort as many babies as you can before then. It's funny, it's almost as if you enjoy the thought of an abortion. Evil people in this world. So sad.

[SillyNeNe]

REALLY?? You give it 5 years tops? LMFAO...thank you for having your intelligence speak for itself. Roe v. Wade has lasted MUCH longer than 5 years.

"Lastly", abortion is part of a woman's REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS...ABSOLUTELY!! And fighting for the right to CHOOSE doesn't mean you will EVER get one. It is just not up to YOU (or the government!!) to take that option away and/or decide for ANY woman. I am anti-abortion but PRO the choice. CONTROLLING OTHERS is what's SO SAD!! as in YOU!

[christopherduke]

WILL Einstein, not HAS. It's called past and future tense. Wow, you based your whole argument on that. LOL

[SillyNeNe]

I couldn't agree more. Evil people in this world who would control others to suit their OWN religion and/or beliefs. EVIL!! You presume too much (but don't most pro-lifers??) I am currently sitting in a hospital bed recovering from my 4th c-section - rejoicing in the birth of my 4th son.  You see I CHOSE to have another pregnancy, child and yes, another surgery. But if I didn't, that would have been MY CHOICE, too. Not yours ..not the government's...not even my husband's.

[christopherduke]

I like this...I'm getting under your skin aren't true. The truth usually does it. Keep trying...but unfortunately you sound dumber with each and every post...or is the word desperate? Hmmmm.

[SillyNeNe]

Funny, the very thoughts I have of you.  Desperate? C'mon silly!! Abortion and CHOICE is LEGAL. Why would I or others who believe in a choice be desperate? SILLY SILLY BOY!!! (Want to borry my name?? ;-) Only those who seek control are desperate. But keep trying...

[SillyNeNe]

And to add to your incorrectness, "reproductive Rights Movement" is exactly what it is. There is no hidden meaning. I do NOT feel guilty about doing what I want with MY OWN body and equally non-guilty for allowing others to do the same.

ONCE AGAIN for the uneducated, MURDER is ILLEGAL. You can TRY to say it is a euphemism for KILLING, but not murder. It would make you more credible sounding, but no more right.

[leiapeison]

forcing pregnancy on an unwilling woman is a sexual violation more brutal than rape. women arnt incubators. they own their wombs and they get to determine what happens to their bodies meaning whether their bodies experience pregnancy. rape victims should not have their trauma magnified just so birth can result. women's health does and needs to come into play here.