Since 62 years no solution - Why did the UN and G 20 not help to find a solution for peace and a Palestinian land We have more than 1 million Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon Camps, all these people want to return to their homeland in Palestine. Ban Ki Mon, UN are obliged to work together to send the Palestinian people back to their own land.
Prosecute Tony Blair. He is a war criminal. Iraq, Afghanistan and many more other counties. He sells mass destruction weapons and forbidden rockets to israel. How can he be involved in the quartet of the middle east peace process for Palestine the holy land. The Hague should jail him immediately .
Sick Muslims. I cant believe people still buy this nonsense.. Why doesnt Abbas condemn the rocket attacks from HIS country onto innocent children in Israel that START ALL of these wars!
Israel has less than 0.5% of the land in the middle east & is the only Jewish state, compared to 24 Arab states that have 99.5% of the land. Is it too great an ask for Israel to live in peace on their tiny spec of what is their historical homeland? Palestine was never a state - but the Palestinians have nonetheless been offered a state multiple times in the last 60 years - rejecting it each time!
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okay, i dont know where you live or who you are, but right now, you posess 100% of your house or flat or whatever. is it too great to ask 0,5% of it for a austrian/russian population (being me)?
"historical homeland" only work when you ignore history as a process, but take one snapshot, being between about 1200 before Christ (when those slaves ran away from egypt and took some land which they wanted to be their own[by whatever means]. oh yeah, they have a book which says its theirs. great. {i do have a book somewhere which says your home is mine, too. and i regard it holy. now you give me?} ) until about 722 before Christ (when they got conquered)
it was not israeli land most of the time (1200bc-722bc = only about 500 years; which was 2700 years ago).
it was not israeli land afterwards (conquered by babylon, egypt, persians, romans, muslim, british; whoever conquers it, decides what to do. British gave only part of it to jews. stay in those borders!).
@katsamuein aside from you conveniently omitting much of history these past 4000 years, and your lack of addressing where these so-called "Palestinians" actually come from, their first leader, Arafat, was Egyptian born! You fail to acknowledge 20th century facts that are all Israel needs for their existence. Muslims attacked my people from all sides and tried to wipe Israel off the map repeatedly in the 20th century. When one people conquers another, the land is theirs boychick. end of story...
jews are defined by their religion, mostly, arent they?
so, the people living there before said date of about 1200bc, having a different religion, were not jews, dont you agree?
if you go strictly by where people are born, you have to admit: those "palestinians" are israeli, while those immigrants from all over the world are not.
Arafat being egyptian.. omg! (sarcasm here) - David Ben-Gurion was born in Poland!
In my opinion, land acquired by wars is no longer a tolerable way for the int. community. Otherwise I ofc would agree it belongs to Israel. But recent history shows only politics to be an acceptable way to get land (otherwise for example Afghanistan or Iraq would be American by now..)
Palestinians dont demand whole state. only un-'47 or '67 ones.
actually im quite acquainted with bible, I just dont think that it is enough to make any difference in todays building states.
Muslims attacked after being thrown out of what they believed was their land. while i cannot agree with war being a good means of pursuing ones interests, it is completely understandable.
Where they came from? I really do not care. They lived here for 2700 years. thats a long enough time to say its their home. Want to live there too? give them some compensation (the UN did; israel took it away).
@katsamuein ... and if that's not good enough for you, bring in the Balfour Agreement, The San Remo Resolution, the various League of Nations Charters, the United Nations legislation and you have international law protecting and solidifying Israel's very existence. I realize law means very little to you people, but for the rest of the world it holds up... and don't forget Biblical though you'd sure like to. The G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob can give HIS Land to whomever He wants. It's not you.
As far as i can see, the UN *does* want this state. Main problem is Israel and USA. That is, the right to veto which USA has. Except for that, the palestianian state would already be there.
Id say it the other way round, UN and international law says that building on palestinian ground is illegal and Israel doesnt care for int. law.
@katsamuein If you get into books, no comparison. A Holy Torah over 4000 years old versus a "New Release" written by one corrupt man only 1200+ years ago. HaShem never took anything from the Jews. We did that to ourselves. However, remember that Holy Book from 4000 years ago? It also states while the Jews will be punished for their mistakes, The Land is an Eternal Covenant. It is His Land after all. Over 9000 missiles from Gaza and less than 5 deaths. Is there any question whose Land this is?
@JerusalemPulseRadio 4000 years ago there was no hebrew scripture, for scripture needs a kingdom with its bureaucracy, and there was none. "The language is attested from the 10th century BCE", wikipedia again, on "hebrew".
"Hebrew Bible (..) Classical Hebrew, and much of its present form (..) around the 6th century BCE, around the time of the Babylonian exile."
I could quote more scientific literature, but I know chance you will look into that is zero.
@katsamuein You don't want history. And you can't count out The One G-d who gave Israel to the Jews.
Most importantly, international law and wars won are current events giving Israel an irrefutable right. Your sidewinding can't escape the facts.
Go to the Dome of OUR Rock, face your arse to it, and pray to Mecca while all Jews continue to face Jerusalem ... we've been doing that since before Mohammad was born!
No more time for you. Just sit back and watch who The G-d of Israel wants there.
If u look at both sides at a 60 year view of the conflict, both sides are equally responsible and violent. however if look at it in a two year or one year view, Israel is more responsible and more violent for the conflict
Israel has less than 0.5% of the land in the middle east & is the only Jewish state, compared to 24 Arab states that have 99.5% of the land. Is it too great an ask for Israel to live in peace on their tiny spec of what is their historical homeland? Palestine was never a state - but the Palestinians have nonetheless been offered a state multiple times in the last 60 years - rejecting it each time!
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@cunaeus22 24 Arab states against 1, maybe it should consider moving. Abbas made it clear he would accept peace talks when Israel stops building settlements and goes with the borders which the world agrees to! If you want peace then do what is ethically right!
@Mrbiggir88 THE pool palestinians who have allowed their children to be the tools of the greater arab nations, the UN and the Roman Catholic Church. Their land was stolen by Jordan, they are kept in camps to be used as a goad against Israel and they are not clever enough to realize what has happened to them. They are tools
As you know I try to keep my posts easy to read but the combination of YT and my browser conspired against me to defeat legibility ;-) I tried to fix it but as we are totally unable to edit posts, I had to delete the attempted corrections that were as broken as the original was
Isn't it about time YT evolved a little to make these debates easier? Allowing editing, linking and more characters per post might be a good start IMO ;-)
@bluesman979 Yes, why we can't edit our comments on YT, provide links. I saw via the link you provide: in Israel people are trained to manipulate the online content about the uncomfortable truth about the inhumane actions of Israel in Palestine and world wide. I discovered that Gadaffi is killed by mercenaries hired by Israel, the revolt against Gadaffi is a set up by Zionists. All Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are not necessarily Jews! Zionists are SO bad, want all the gold, oil, and water!
I have just posted a pile of links (from one of the sites that helped you learn the truth) on another thread here ...
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com /6z58jov
When people discover the truth about the global corruption and the REAL reasons for spreading "peace and democracy in the Middle East" they like us, try to help others see through the lies and distractions placed to conceal what's really going on
Im hoping to upload a video later today that explains it simply ;-)
@bluesman979 Thanx fr links. "Spreading Peace"=Orwellian double talk for kill kill kill, loot loot loot, get rid of as many people as is possbl in fascist ways, hijack The Media, brainwash the slaves (public), keep them believing that they are free, create World Wars, hate, fear, paranoia, enact the Patriot Law, chem trails (experiments with poison on population incl. fluoridation of drinking water, vaccinations (=autism), spreading Aids/Flu/Cancer/, causing climate change, etc. etc. Peace!
@bluesman979 I meant to say, I agree, why can't we edit our comments, why can't we provide links the way they are, without getting a warning in red: error! try again. This happens regularly to me. -Try again- means: delete your message. You Tube, Face Book, Wikipedia, Blogs, all Web sources providing personal, or 'sensitive' info must be riddled with NWO spies. Peace!
I think its just a little bit of site code to prevent links and linking
It seems to be easily defeated by inserting spaces into the url to break up the bits the subroutine recognises, (the "h t t p" and "w w w" bits seem to trip the switch every time) and hoping that people realise they have to edit the spaces out to make the url work ;-) )
Long live Israel, there is no such a thing as Palestinian nation and never was. Long live Israel. Long live the Zionists. Abbas is a terrorists, arrest him!
No Muslim country ever attacked on America but Israel attacked the USA twice that has been well documented in Wikipedia. This video will show you how Israel attacked on America, please educate the World’s population about these events in the past that nobody knows, and even Americans who support Israel so blindly.
@americantruthteller I think that the majority of the persons in the 911 attack were Saudis, but hey, don't take it personally, it was probably just a coinky dink. And the USS COLE, that wasn't technically on land...
Anyone has a basic right to defend themselves eventually. America, Israel, and other democracies are still the greatest hope for the enslaved people of the world. Globalists flying under American's colors have betrayed all of us.
@cunaeus22 Please do wake up because America and Israel govrnmnts are fascistic, and under the thumb of the NWO. The Patriot Act .... is that democracy? The Twin Towers tragedy perpetrated by the US govrnmnt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and the rest ... is that democracy? The brutal tactics of gov.of Israel in Palestine .... democracy? Who are the enslaved poor people? All of us are! enslaved by the propaganda machine of a fascist NWO elite greedy for oil, gold, water, mass extinction.
@raficsulejmanovic also my comment was a response to another comment (written in the same style) and also a general comment, to the discussion around this conflict.
This Abbas is a liar of the first kind! Jerusalem was never an Arab Capital or that there is such a thing as "Palestinian" People hood, they are ARABS. Even as we speak such nation called "Palestinians" does not exist. It is only for political reasons that they created such people hood. PLO= terrorists. Shame on this con artist! Arabs belong in the Arabian Desert where they were originated! The Settlers are the Arabs who came en mass to seek work when the Jews began to rebuild its home!
@MuslimSoldier187 Actually dipshit over 60% of Israelis are descended from Jews who never set foot in Europe but came from the Middle East, your Khazar theory has been scientifically refuted, catch up that was a theory from the 1960s LOL
@starsbydaylight Chosen for what? Not chosen to be superior to any other human beings. Chosen to assume certain obligations perhaps according to their literature.
This Abbas is a liar of the first kind! Jerusalem was never an Arab Capital or that there is such a thing as "Palestinian" People hood, they are ARABS. Even as we speak such nation called "Palestinians" does not exist. It is only for political reasons that they created such people hood. PLO= terrorists. Shame on this con artist! Arabs belong in the Arabian Desert where they were originated! The Settlers are the Arabs who came en mass to seek work when the Jewis began to rebuild its home!
I believe that the moment has come whereby both sides, Israel and the occupied territories, put to one side the blood shed that has transfused and engulfed the holy land in the most bottomless of pits. What is now needed, above all other things, is a purposeful and meaningful leadership steered by those at the helm. The stewardship is now in the hands of those who it seems have already made up their minds. May the heavens grant the suffering people of this world a quick end and eternal peace.
The Holy Land?? ... All Of The Planet Is Holy Land, Every Inch Of It! Land and whatever, these things do not belong to anybody. All people are care takers only of all the land and all things. Nobody owns anything ever. Whoever you are, do your utmost to be human-e- NOW, take care of all living beings, animals included.
Disown! the barbaric past, its fabricated history books! If necessary let us die for expressing openly our feelings of unconditional love for all living beings wherever.
@cunaeus22 Most of the highly educated lay people, clergy, politicians everywhere choose to remain stuck in outdated, refuted, as well as profane ideas that when carried out have again and again proven to seriously stagnate the emancipation of human beings, causing a great many people to have little or no respect for human life, the lives of animals and the Earth. I can not understand why the human race can't get it right on planet Earth. Unbridled patriarchy has a lot to answer for.
@starsbydaylight That drumbeat "unbridled patriarchy" is too shallow. The devil is always in the detail. Ask yourself these questions: what social movement resulted in the empowerment of the middle classes, more so than any other and the answer has to be capitalism. But in a larger sense, the RULE OF LAW as encoded in American Jurisprudence should be hailed as the #1 WONDER OF THE MODERN WORLD. Despite the fact that the vermin have eroded it's efficacy.
@starsbydaylight I am not trying to be insulting because I am drawn by your sincerity and the things you hold up as the criteria, but don't take it for granted that respect for human rights just sprang out of the cosmos. Trace the history of human rights. Measure each society by it's advancement of human rights. Judge every culture's literature by it's contribution to the advancement of human rights of all men. Then tell me if you think that merely condemning patriarchy is sufficient.
@cunaeus22 I too have utmost respect for what brave individuals have done, often laid down their lives while exposing injustices that kept exploiting the underprivileged. Sincere, talented people will keep doing just that -contributing to the advancement of human rights (animal rights, and Mother Earth's rights- :^). I am not condemning patriarchy. I do condemn -unbridled- patriarchy. It has declared women, half of the world population, second class citizens. It has shown that it is ....
@starsbydaylight The rabbis teach that the discussion of law is the only suitable conversation for adults. Law being the perfect balance between mercy and truth.
@cunaeus22 Adults into law ... plus all existing lawyers ... I live in one of the many democratic first world countries where the prison walls are bursting with petty criminals, where bankers get a platinum hand shake for quitting looting left right and center and for saddling up the barely two million tax payers of this tiny country, as well as their children with a debt of eur50.000.000.000 goes unpunished by the law. People who implemented the illegal Patriot Act are above the law ... sigh.
@starsbydaylight I highly recommend that any semi-free country, that it's citizens become familiar with what happened in Bolivia when they went up against Bectel, the World Bank and their own corrupt government and prevailed when their government sold all their water to Bectel. If we can't all be Bolivian citizens, then we shall be slaves, again.
@cunaeus22 Educated as well as uneducated people world wide have been suffering intensely during thousands of years from the disastrous effects of the incompetent brutal decisions made by highly educated people, be they 'the clergy', or whoever, holding key positions. In spite of constant access to mountains of highest wisdom offered by mystics independent of organized religions, it is a fact that this civilization is at its lowest ebb ever. Hopefully the tide will turn for the better.
@starsbydaylight perhaps if the main content of American citizens had been law aka the study of justice, it wouldn't have become corrupted. How do you think a household can be maintained when the householder is drunk on sports, crap music and his inane tv shows?
Respond to this video... not capable of justly ruling people, animals, or Mother Earth. Maybe it is true that the Rule of Law as encoded in American Jurisprudence is the # 1 Wonder of the Modern World. Despite its existence, and with all the brilliant work done by good people for the good of the many, we are all bankrupt, on the brink of extinction now. Maybe Planet Earth itself and the lives of all people and all animals on it will never be free from a ruling class favoring wrong priorities.
@starsbydaylight It is a matter of perspective. How do you know what justice is? What perfect judgement is? We are not all bankrupt, wise men know to roll with the punches. The punches have been the constant, the moves forward are the are the life. Planet earth, most of it is still wilderness. We might be able to destroy it but we have to try a lot harder. Nuclear is probably pretty efficient. However, the idea of a planet without people is just such a pathetic scenario.
@cunaeus22 Justice is not static. Justice needs to be found anew, every situation that needs justice to be done needs a different verdict. And yes, one or some people always survive a huge calamity, can tell the tale. Still, the death and destruction, the suffering caused by an all out nuclear war doesn't bear thinking of. The situation is hopeless. We all are at the mercy of unwise power freaks with access to deadly weapons, fighting for supremacy, be they lay people or religious people.
@starsbydaylight Justice is a living thing, I agree. And everyone is entitled to have their own end time script. I am sure that man will devise a few more comic book disaster scenarios for himself, but I don't actually subscribe to a belief in which man in the master of his own destiny, there is a certain voice of irony throughout history that I suspect will repeat itself. The Overlords are having a hard time right now with their adolescent schemes being unveiled continually on the net.
@starsbydaylight I would have to disagree if you were going to measure man's footprint by the number of people in the world that have access to the vote, are given a redress of human rights violations...but even more so...the number of people who believe in attaining their freedom because it was once rumored that men in America were free..those who aspire to freedom in South America and China...freedom is what you gauge it by.
@bluesman979 Yes .. if wishes were horses :^) .. if only we were taught when being young how to shake off narrow minded religious and political dogmas, we would gladly disown the past, we would realize that to be standing on our transient two tiny feet on this transient tiny planet that is appearing and disappearing in a vast cosmos means having the chance to actualize our inalienable, innate, pure, unconditional love for all that lives and is, thus causing happiness everywhere we go.
@starsbydaylight The idea of inalienable, innate, pure, unconditional love for all that lives is a puzzle. Where did you get the idea that this love was innate and not the result of moral choices?
@cunaeus22 Imagine a well looked after new born baby sleeping. Now give it a big slap. It will cry loud out of protest against this injustice. See what I mean?
@starsbydaylight You assume the baby knows it to be injustice, that the baby has a concept of law. The baby cries because it's animal like consciousness was interrupted. The slap could have been to dislodge some phlegm. All human beings born, devoid of experience so in one way they are called innocent. But how much more valuable is it for a mature person to walk in such a way that he causes no injury, isn't that learned innocence of more consequence? I am questioning your basic paradigm.
@cunaeus22 In human beings innate goodness cannot be eradicated. It can be made to become deformed, twisted. This can be undone again. One can not c r e a t e goodness in a baby or adult human being, nor in someone that commits brutal or other criminal acts. Complete Goodness is already there. It can get obscured by states of mind as blind hatred, obsession, greed, but it can be fully actualized again. IMO a baby asleep getting a painful slap screams because its innate dignity is violated.
@bluesman97 My friend, how have you arrived at the place and time where you think that these human dignities are the penultimate goal of mankind? For most of history most of mankind has been slaves. The short time that America and other democracies have furthered the cause of human rights, is a fly speck on the historical time line. I encourage to study the history of human rights for you are endanger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, my friend.
@bluesman979 yes, a fledgling democracy upon a sea of history where the only rule was "might makes right". America was the vanguard of human rights. Don't condemn it because it fails to live up to it's own goals or join in with those who, lacking any human rights records of their own, nevertheless take their part in shoving America's standards down her throat when they see her stumble. Equal treatment under the law is a divine standard. I suggest reading Kant on Reason.
"Don't condemn it because it fails to live up to it's own goals or join in with those who, lacking any human rights records of their own, {SNIP} I suggest reading Kant on Reason"
I don't condemn it for anything other than actions that are plainly wrong
I dont have the time to revise the conflicts/relationships between consequentialism and deontology ATM, I've a studio to operate and 100s of technical publications/manuals IF I find I need reading material ;-)
@bluesman979 Yes, we may find ourselves in a time when people feel that they don't have time to embrace reason. That is too bad. I also have employees that are dependent upon me & we all must keep our noses to the grindstone, right? It doesn't take much energy at all to simply point a finger at what is wrong but it takes more understanding to look beyond and ask even why you know it is wrong. It hasn't always been considered wrong to step on others to get your way, that is fairly new concept.
US demonstrably holds itself and its actions above the law (or at least beyond the jusristiction of the ICC) and there is clear proof of national policies that are in breach of international law, the destabilisation and interference in the affairs of sovereign states, the assasinations, the supplying of Israel with nuclear technology etc
w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=9ho-UJxBnNY <- HTH ;-)
@bluesman979 If America wasn't in the vanguard of human rights, would you like to suggest which nation would take that slot, recognizing of course that governments by their nature have to be cited as the greatest violators of human rights. Can you explain where a Wilbur Wilberforce sprang from? How a single obscure man can successfully push forward a conversation condemning slavery and prevail against the mercantile interests of one of the most potentially ruthless people on earth?
I would suggest that America was simply a part of the global collective development of "modern conscience"
If of course such a thing, (or anything) actually exists, as Hume would point out, we cannot even prove the existence of ourselves, indeed bundle theory/induction fallacy also excludes the use of proper scientific method, and should make me doubt that a bulb will light if I press the wallswitch
Maybe I'm just "intellectually lazy" expecting the light to come on ? ;-)
@bluesman979 If you are willing to qualify the concept with 'if such a thing exists", that is fine. It gets to the core of my point, compare America to things that actually exist rather than an Utopian Model. I think it imperative that people distinguish between reform and annihilate and define what it is they are after.
Did you know that those who seek to govern, but haven't come into power, quite often say ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR to achieve their end goal? :)
I think the sooner we get a PROPER world court the better
*IF* the reasons for putting the Nazis on trial after WW2 stand as good then Bush, Blair, Netenyahu and the *entire* NWO cabal that created the fictions that started the wars in Iraq Afghanistan (and now an everlasting global war against an invisible enemy straight out of Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four) need to be tried as warcriminals for planning and waging an agressive war(s) then look at Cast Lead etc etc
@bluesman979 Israel is an ally and a democracy. Palestinians in Israel live better than they do anywhere else in the region. Palestinians have more rights in Israel than they have in any other country in the region. That is a fact.
"A foreign power that spies on the USA steals its intelligence and corrupts it's leaders" then I agree with you
If by free you mean ...
"Free to live in a modern copy of the Warsaw Ghetto being collectively punished, abused, having your land stolen, property destroyed and being demonstrably ethnically cleansed by people who call you sub human (can you say "untermench" ?) in Gaza/West Bank again I concur
Now is now! No matter what happened in the past, NOW Palestinians, whoever they are, need a country, a state. Let them have it. Israelites, whoever they are, need a country, a state, within the1967 borderlines. Let them have that. Neither Palestinians nor Israelites can claim to have ancestral rights on the so called holy land. Both are invaders. The Torah, Bible, Koran are absolutely untrustworthy records of the history of the people living at those barbaric times in the Middle East.
@starsbydaylight Archaeology confirms the Jewish existence in the land at the time the Bible places them there. International law confirmed the Ancestral rights of the Jewish people. The 1967 lines were not internationally recognized borders he Local Arabs never needed a state before why are they wanting one now?
@starcatcher2222 How can we expect the so called Palestinians living in so called Palestine to all pack their bags and move to Jordan? Impossible. The local Arabs did not need yet another state before, but now they do. Why not have the tiny state of Israel living next to the tiny Palestinian state(-to-be(?) Would it not be a relief for Israelis and Palestinians? Both peoples have nowhere else to go. Please tell me what you think is an adequate solution.
@starsbydaylight Israel should annex the West Bank, If the Arabs want political rights as Israelis they should take an oath of Loyalty to the state they live in, if not they should simply have local autonomy. The proposed Palestinian state is simply a way to prolong the conflict, if they wanted a peaceful state they would have had it by now but their leaders are gangsters who would be redundant and powerless if they were without a conflict.
@starcatcher2222 Thank you for offering your point of view. Maybe autonomy for the Palestinians is what will come about. I have no confidence anymore in any leaders wherever. I am afraid that a very high percentage of leaders past and present were and now too are gangsters with some God and deadly weapons on their side, putting all of humanity in mortal danger, a nuclear WWIII is unavoidable. Only a naive person thinks that that will not happen. Unbridled patriarchy all sorts must vanish.
"Israel should annex the West Bank, If the Arabs want..."
You are demonstrably very politically naive and totally lacking *any* understanding outside your own personal aims and beliefs
By your reasoning UK should invade/annex Ireland, and set about the subjugation and/or ethnic cleansing of the Irish presumably at gunpoint, as the best possible solution to the "Irish Situation"
HTH Others' understanding of this Zionist's apartheid-based agenda and propaganda ;-)
@bluesman979 You are quite naive, the Irish are in their homeland the Arabs are not. That analagogy falls flat. You haven't a clue WHO is practicing Apartheid in the Middle East but it isn't Israel. Only in your warped mind are those who have resisted loudly proclaimed threats of ethnic cleansing are accused of that very crime.
"the Irish are in their homeland the Arabs are not"
So all the Arabs arrived after 1947 ?
NOBODY is going to believe that piece of propaganda
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com / 6a4ybyd
I still don't understand the entitlement to the land for anyone OTHER than the Palestinians, other than an imaginary friend promised land to a primative tribe 1000s of years ago, and if that's a valid claim where's my flat in Paris and compensation? My ancestors were persecuted too
@bluesman979 No but in 1919 there were fewer than 3/4 of a million Arabs in all of the region of Palestine both east and west of the Jordan river, The Emir Feisal explicitely recognized what is now Israel as the Jewish Homeland, Arab nationalist aspirations for that particular property are post Zionist.
As Celts we too MUST be entitled to compensation (and flats in Paris ;-) ) *if* the state of Israel is "internationally lawful" (sic) due to ancient entitlement (rather than the cynical Zionist manipulation of the collective guilt of goyim over the holocaust following WW2***)
Our ancestors suffered too despite promises made by their god
*** Touched on here w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=L8aM7ne9PCI
@bluesman979 The State of Israel is "internationally lawful" because international law is the law of treaties and the unanimous treaty in effect with regards to the region once called Palestine signed at San Remo recognized the historic injustice done by Rome and agreed to the restoration of the Jewish nation to its ancestral homeland, you may not agree with that law just as I do not agree with some laws but that is the law, the holocaust is actually irrelevant to the legal issue.
@bluesman979 "Demonstrably dishonest"? You are an imbecile, Palestine never existed once as an independent country except for the 3 times it has been a Jewish commonwealth. That is a simple fact an historic truth. Yosemite never existed as a country either and has as much business being an Arab state as the REGION of palestine. You do find it impossible to debate when presented with FACT that destroys your idiotic "internationally unlawful" statement. Aren't you Kind of dishonest?
""Demonstrably dishonest"? You are an imbecile, Palestine never existed once as an independent country"
I'm far from being an imbecile. You said Palestine didn't exist prrior to the creation of Israel in 1946, I posted proof it did and you've now resort to personal abuse because you have been seen to be deliberatlely distorting the truth
"internationally lawful" was a quotation from YOU
" @starsbydaylight...International law confirmed the Ancestral rights..."
@bluesman979 Where did I say "Palestine didn't exist" without saying as an independant nation? That is an irrefutable fact that it did not exist as an independent nation once in history and exactly what I said you either are a Liar or you lack reading comprehension skills. Your saying that Israel was created in 1946 shows how little you actually know. You refuted your own misunderstanding of what I said and say I'm being dishonest? Is English your 2nd language Or is comprehension not your forte?
@starcatcher2222 To deliberately misquote someone and then accuse them of changing their position is beneath contempt so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming for your own sake that you are simply an ignorant person who yet has the ability to learn something rather than a simple supporter of murder based on ethnic hatreds you hold in common with Arabs.
@bluesman979 I am a Celt, but from Luxembourg :^). I lived in magic Bala, north-Wales, now live in the Republic of Ireland since decades on end. Long live the welsh and irish old languages! In spite of the stretched out over millenniums multiple brutal invasions by foreigners, the Celts in Wales Ireland and Scotland, on the mid-Western wing of the Old Continent and beyond are alive and kicking! The ROI is now invaded by the International Mafia Money Police and robbed of its sovereignty, alas.
So are Frank and Andy Schleck and they are a force for good IMO ;-)
"The ROI is now invaded by the International Mafia Money Police and robbed of its sovereignty, alas"
FYI Occupy London Stock Exchange starts this Saturday (15th Oct), the plan is to meet up at St Paul's Cathedral at noon to march to LSE and start the occupation (that sounds like a plan to me ;-) )
That'll piss off the wankin' bankers without a doubt :-D
"Archaeology confirms the Jewish existence in the land at the time the Bible places them there. International law confirmed the Ancestral rights of the Jewish people. "
Archaeology and historical documents PROVE my ancestors (Celts) were killed/enslaved by Julius Caesar at and following the Battle of Alesia
I want a flat in Paris and compensation
If you support Israel on this ancient entitlement, then you HAVE to support my claim or be seen as a complete hypocrite
@bluesman979 Then you should take your case up with the French, The Ancestral rights of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland was agreed upon unanimously by the international community. I have to do nothing regarding your claim that is between you and the French. Arabs suddenly discovering a "Palestinian" National identity only after there was a Jewish state is such a transparent ploy it's laughable especially when 78% of Palestine is already an Arab country.
"Arabs suddenly discovering a "Palestinian" National identity only after there was a Jewish state is such a transparent ploy it's laughable especially when 78% of Palestine is already an Arab country."
The Balfour declaration refers to Palestine on November 2 1917 and proves you are wrong ...
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment *in Palestine* of a national home for the Jewish people ..." (My emphasis)
@bluesman979 Wow you are a nincompoop, How, Praytell, Does the British reference to a geographical region have anything at all to do with the nationalist feelings urges or desires of the Arabs. You are not much of a researcher maybe you should refer yourself to the Emir Feisals correspondence with Weizman during this same historical period. Tell me is Yosemite a nation as well.
@bluesman979 Palestine prior to the creation of Israel was settled by a heterogeneous population including Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Italians, Indians, Kurds, Afghans, Bosnians, Albanians, Berbers, Persians, Circassians and others,, and they were not called "Palestinians" as there was no Palestinian nationality.
Thats why the Balfour Declaration was announced..because Palestine was not a sovereign country of "Palestinians"....and 80% was given to the Jordanians. No your history.
Run along with your zionist propaganda little shill, distorting history with your lies that prostitute the victims of the holocaust that just creates greater hatred for zionism and those that would support it
Gerald Kaufman knows and speaks the truth though ...
w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=L8aM7ne9PCI
HTH Educate others as to the war crimes and the absolute lies of the zionists
@bluesman979 THIS is what zionism really is ... Shooting children etc ... /watch?v=a2drVlyjv4A /watch?v=me7v2gJI6zk Here a zionist explains that Jesus was the ENEMY of the Jews ... /watch?v=jZuarWBMHSo And here's how Christians are treated in Israel .... / watch?v=OlT3ARuUSGc Here zionists spectate at war crimes, and offer ethnic cleansing as the final solution to the Palestinian "problem" watch?v=TkCBK4-5tRI HTH Understanding of the truth ;-)
As Kaufman says his grandmother wasn't murdered by Nazis in Poland to facilitate the murder of Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza and the West Bank by warcriminals cynically exploiting the collective guilt of the Goyim to further their racist political agenda
FYI *ANYONE* who would advocate that zionism *IS* Judaism has either NO understanding of what either actually is ...
OR clearly has an agenda that is demonstably against Christian, Jewish *and* Islamic values
Yeah I know, but wasn't land won in a war where the winner keeps the land? Or what is UN to do about it now other than what they did back then right after the war
"Yeah I know, but wasn't land won in a war where the winner keeps the land? Or what is UN to do about it now other than what they did back then right after the war"
If that *were* true UK, USA, and the Russia would have got to divvy up the whole of Europe after WW2 and keep it (plus a large chunk of Africa, and the Far East of course), so it is demonstrably *not* the case
Khaled Meshal, 1-Oct.2011 in Tehran referred to Mahmoud Abbas "the source of authority is not weak leaders appeal for negotiations.The option of resistance became the only option after all other options disappeared the action was done without coordination with other movements in the Palestinians arena ".
Ali Khamenei ( Iranian supreme leader ) said in the same event "recognition of Israel - is the end for the Palestinians right of return"
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Again, don't give your opinion if you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The fact of the matter is that this region has been know as Palestine since the 5th century before Christ. How long has is been known as Israel??? Can anybody answer that? All Palestinians want is independence from the Israelis. They already occupy Gaza and W. Bank, whats the harm, what are you'll so afraid of?
Your command ", don't give your opinion if you don't know what the hell you're talking about" is a perfect example of your idea of a discourse....only you know what a correct opinion is...and that is YOUR opinion. Okay, we got it.
But you never heard that both Islam and the PLO or whatever they call themselves today, formally call for the annihilation of the JEWS? you have had a pretty selective education.
@MisterHasbun They also want the Jews to give them the Temple Mount, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THE TEMPLE MOUNT? eh? how long has it been the Al asqa mosque? Why do the Mohammedans point their butts towards their own mosque when praying on the Mount? Is it because they are praying to MECCA where they belong? and just faking that the al aqsa mosque is also their "sacred place" when it is just a piss on the wall to show they did.
@cunaeus22 - That is a debate that will never end my friend. I can tell you this tho, I am an Orthodox Catholic Palestinian, not Muslim. But you should watch the way you speak about Muslim people. No body is insulting anyone here, it is just politic talk. As for the temple, who cares how long it has been the temple mount? They don't want to get it from the Jews cuz they already have it. FYI it was originally built to be a church. Learn something before you open your big mouth.
@MisterHasbun As you say "Who cares how long it has been the temple mount" which is an asinine comment considering the whole debate "claims" to be about property rights & historical occupations between the two parties. You represent the Palestinian & Muslim position very clearly, "Who cares about who owns what when we have it" and then go moaning and whining to the rest of the world about your "rights" when somebody else has it. Very good, perfect. That is what we know you to be.
@MisterHasbun You do more damage to your position when you open your "big mouth" and let the public see how you think, than I could do in a million posts.
" As for the temple, who cares how long it has been the temple mount? They don't want to get it from the Jews cuz they already have it." QUOTE MISTERHASBUN< TYPICAL HYPOCRITE...."who cares who owns what as long as we have it in our grubby paws"
@MisterHasbun What you need to know that the name Palestine has nothing to do with Arabs and Arabic. There is no mention in the Koran of the word Palestine in spit of the fact that the Koran was written thousand of years after the Roman changed the name of Judea to Palestine to humiliate the Jews. But the arch terrorist Yassar Arafat and his minion adopted that name to create a newly minted "people hood" =called Palestinian that the Palestinian Jews had prior to 1948. Palestine=Israel
Abbas declares Israel racist and an apartheid state. He refuses to accept a signal bit of responsibility for the failure of peace talks, and does not take responsibility for the actions of his people and his unity government, which relentlessly launches rockets into Israel. He is a child, and deserved the same walk out as Ahmendinajad, and nothing more. The applause given to the mention of Yassar Arafat, a known terrorist, completely delegitimizes the UN and the General Assembly.
@judahism92 "Terrorist". Oh please - Netanyahu celebrated the King David Hotel Jewish terrorist bombing which killed 92 people in 1946, so drop the "terrorist" crap; Israel is a terrorist NATION. Mandela, Michael Collins, Che Guevara, Lenin, Washington, they're all "terrorists" according to some historian or other. What counts here is the moral weight of armed retaliation. Palestine has PERFECT moral right to take up arms and Moshe Dayan himself said EXACTLY the same thing. Read more.
Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."
YOU SEE< THEY LOVE BRUTALITY AND WAR BECAUSE THE Q'URAN TEACHES THEM TO LOVE BRUTALITY AND WAR
@cunaeus22 I'm a Roman Catholic. So let me educate you - the largest religion on the planet (Catholicism) retains the right to sanction "Just War". The Church, as supreme arbiter of moral law on earth, therefore defines when a man may or may not take up arms. Once upon a yesteryear it decided that the Holy Crusades were a "Just War". It wasn't, it was a bloodbath. Frankly, the rules of Jihad are far more humane than any the Church held, and any military historian will tell you that.
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Since 62 years no solution - Why did the UN and G 20 not help to find a solution for peace and a Palestinian land We have more than 1 million Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon Camps, all these people want to return to their homeland in Palestine. Ban Ki Mon, UN are obliged to work together to send the Palestinian people back to their own land.
news778 1 month ago
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Prosecute Tony Blair. He is a war criminal. Iraq, Afghanistan and many more other counties. He sells mass destruction weapons and forbidden rockets to israel. How can he be involved in the quartet of the middle east peace process for Palestine the holy land. The Hague should jail him immediately .
News107 1 month ago
Down with the current racist government of Israel!!!!
Rushour717 2 months ago
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Rushour717 2 months ago
Sick Muslims. I cant believe people still buy this nonsense.. Why doesnt Abbas condemn the rocket attacks from HIS country onto innocent children in Israel that START ALL of these wars!
IslamISsick1 3 months ago
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Rushour717 3 months ago
Israel has less than 0.5% of the land in the middle east & is the only Jewish state, compared to 24 Arab states that have 99.5% of the land. Is it too great an ask for Israel to live in peace on their tiny spec of what is their historical homeland? Palestine was never a state - but the Palestinians have nonetheless been offered a state multiple times in the last 60 years - rejecting it each time!
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cunaeus22 3 months ago
@cunaeus22
okay, i dont know where you live or who you are, but right now, you posess 100% of your house or flat or whatever. is it too great to ask 0,5% of it for a austrian/russian population (being me)?
This is just stupid.
katsamuein 3 months ago
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katsamuein 3 months ago
@cunaeus22
"historical homeland" only work when you ignore history as a process, but take one snapshot, being between about 1200 before Christ (when those slaves ran away from egypt and took some land which they wanted to be their own[by whatever means]. oh yeah, they have a book which says its theirs. great. {i do have a book somewhere which says your home is mine, too. and i regard it holy. now you give me?} ) until about 722 before Christ (when they got conquered)
katsamuein 3 months ago
@cunaeus22
basically:
it was not israeli land in the first place.
it was not israeli land most of the time (1200bc-722bc = only about 500 years; which was 2700 years ago).
it was not israeli land afterwards (conquered by babylon, egypt, persians, romans, muslim, british; whoever conquers it, decides what to do. British gave only part of it to jews. stay in those borders!).
katsamuein 3 months ago
@katsamuein aside from you conveniently omitting much of history these past 4000 years, and your lack of addressing where these so-called "Palestinians" actually come from, their first leader, Arafat, was Egyptian born! You fail to acknowledge 20th century facts that are all Israel needs for their existence. Muslims attacked my people from all sides and tried to wipe Israel off the map repeatedly in the 20th century. When one people conquers another, the land is theirs boychick. end of story...
JerusalemPulseRadio 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
jews are defined by their religion, mostly, arent they?
so, the people living there before said date of about 1200bc, having a different religion, were not jews, dont you agree?
if you go strictly by where people are born, you have to admit: those "palestinians" are israeli, while those immigrants from all over the world are not.
Arafat being egyptian.. omg! (sarcasm here) - David Ben-Gurion was born in Poland!
katsamuein 3 months ago
@katsamuein Kats, you fail to acknowledge international Laws, Land acquired by wars.
These are the top 2 ways to be awarded land in today's world... and any other.
Let't not forget the "Palestinians" refusal to accept anything short of the entire country!
History we can debate all day long. Biblical rights... that's for me to know and you to find out.
Just look to recent history for every right. Do it quickly though, Abbas is scribbling a new one faster than I can write this response!
JerusalemPulseRadio 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
In my opinion, land acquired by wars is no longer a tolerable way for the int. community. Otherwise I ofc would agree it belongs to Israel. But recent history shows only politics to be an acceptable way to get land (otherwise for example Afghanistan or Iraq would be American by now..)
Palestinians dont demand whole state. only un-'47 or '67 ones.
actually im quite acquainted with bible, I just dont think that it is enough to make any difference in todays building states.
katsamuein 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
Muslims attacked after being thrown out of what they believed was their land. while i cannot agree with war being a good means of pursuing ones interests, it is completely understandable.
Where they came from? I really do not care. They lived here for 2700 years. thats a long enough time to say its their home. Want to live there too? give them some compensation (the UN did; israel took it away).
katsamuein 3 months ago
@katsamuein ... and if that's not good enough for you, bring in the Balfour Agreement, The San Remo Resolution, the various League of Nations Charters, the United Nations legislation and you have international law protecting and solidifying Israel's very existence. I realize law means very little to you people, but for the rest of the world it holds up... and don't forget Biblical though you'd sure like to. The G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob can give HIS Land to whomever He wants. It's not you.
JerusalemPulseRadio 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
As far as i can see, the UN *does* want this state. Main problem is Israel and USA. That is, the right to veto which USA has. Except for that, the palestianian state would already be there.
Id say it the other way round, UN and international law says that building on palestinian ground is illegal and Israel doesnt care for int. law.
katsamuein 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
now, you're either polytheistic, or monotheistic here.
either there is adonaj and there is allah, or there is *one* god in your opinion.
i hope for the first case. then the 3 abrahamistic religions are just different ways how to follow him.
Now, you can say that you are right, and they are wrong? How? because your book says your way is right? but theirs says their way is right..
(btw, he took the land from the jews and later gave some of it back, no?)
katsamuein 3 months ago
@katsamuein If you get into books, no comparison. A Holy Torah over 4000 years old versus a "New Release" written by one corrupt man only 1200+ years ago. HaShem never took anything from the Jews. We did that to ourselves. However, remember that Holy Book from 4000 years ago? It also states while the Jews will be punished for their mistakes, The Land is an Eternal Covenant. It is His Land after all. Over 9000 missiles from Gaza and less than 5 deaths. Is there any question whose Land this is?
JerusalemPulseRadio 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
4000 years old? you should get into theology (rational thinking about religion) a bit..
wikipedia: "According to Jewish tradition the Torah was revealed to Moses, in 1312 BCE at Mount Sinai", quoteing Rabbi Ken Spiro, Aish.com
I know of research indicating 1200, but ill give you those 100 years. not those 3000 though.
katsamuein 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio 4000 years ago there was no hebrew scripture, for scripture needs a kingdom with its bureaucracy, and there was none. "The language is attested from the 10th century BCE", wikipedia again, on "hebrew".
"Hebrew Bible (..) Classical Hebrew, and much of its present form (..) around the 6th century BCE, around the time of the Babylonian exile."
I could quote more scientific literature, but I know chance you will look into that is zero.
katsamuein 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
Getting history right is step number 1 to get away from ideologies.
Learning about science and scientific methods would be #2.
katsamuein 3 months ago
@katsamuein You don't want history. And you can't count out The One G-d who gave Israel to the Jews.
Most importantly, international law and wars won are current events giving Israel an irrefutable right. Your sidewinding can't escape the facts.
Go to the Dome of OUR Rock, face your arse to it, and pray to Mecca while all Jews continue to face Jerusalem ... we've been doing that since before Mohammad was born!
No more time for you. Just sit back and watch who The G-d of Israel wants there.
JerusalemPulseRadio 3 months ago
@JerusalemPulseRadio
I dont want history? ^^
What i say is scientifically backed up history. What you say aint.
International law is against you and once the US stops helping you, you'll lose those lands.
btw, i'm not Muslim
You 'own' (more or less) the land for about 60 years. Let 60 more pass, and we will see Israel's borders very different from today..
katsamuein 3 months ago
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@JerusalemPulseRadio
Please someone tell me what the cultural heritage and merit of 'Palestine' is? The Molotov cocktail was already invented by the Russians...
and throwing stones is not exactly a demanding cultural activity...
nevernohijab 2 months ago
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Rushour717 3 months ago
If u look at both sides at a 60 year view of the conflict, both sides are equally responsible and violent. however if look at it in a two year or one year view, Israel is more responsible and more violent for the conflict
Rushour717 3 months ago 2
Israel has less than 0.5% of the land in the middle east & is the only Jewish state, compared to 24 Arab states that have 99.5% of the land. Is it too great an ask for Israel to live in peace on their tiny spec of what is their historical homeland? Palestine was never a state - but the Palestinians have nonetheless been offered a state multiple times in the last 60 years - rejecting it each time!
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cunaeus22 3 months ago
@cunaeus22
"Only Jewish state" Then put them else where, maybe Alaska.
Joebhoy1888able 3 months ago
@Joebhoy1888able Or in ovens again? Just say it, man, you know that is what you really would like to see.
cunaeus22 3 months ago
@cunaeus22
Just because the Nazi's threated Jewish people bad and a lot of other people doesn't give Israel the right to threat Muslims bad.
Joebhoy1888able 3 months ago 2
@cunaeus22 24 Arab states against 1, maybe it should consider moving. Abbas made it clear he would accept peace talks when Israel stops building settlements and goes with the borders which the world agrees to! If you want peace then do what is ethically right!
Freedom4Anyone 3 months ago
@cunaeus22 you are the darkness in which should be enlightened....and no i will not repost your ignorant believings...
PaliKid831 3 months ago
manyak min palestine
Mrbiggir88 4 months ago
@Mrbiggir88 THE pool palestinians who have allowed their children to be the tools of the greater arab nations, the UN and the Roman Catholic Church. Their land was stolen by Jordan, they are kept in camps to be used as a goad against Israel and they are not clever enough to realize what has happened to them. They are tools
cunaeus22 3 months ago
Vote Mabus 2012!!!
Felipe917 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
Clear proof that Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content ...
w w w . youtube . com /watch?v=LofScCiJT4c
If there was *ANY* truth in what they said *WHY* would they need to pay people to spread thier poisonous propaganda ?
HTH Educate ;-)
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Did you remove your 2 comments or were they removed by the You Tube Comments Police?
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
I confess :-D
As you know I try to keep my posts easy to read but the combination of YT and my browser conspired against me to defeat legibility ;-) I tried to fix it but as we are totally unable to edit posts, I had to delete the attempted corrections that were as broken as the original was
Isn't it about time YT evolved a little to make these debates easier? Allowing editing, linking and more characters per post might be a good start IMO ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Yes, why we can't edit our comments on YT, provide links. I saw via the link you provide: in Israel people are trained to manipulate the online content about the uncomfortable truth about the inhumane actions of Israel in Palestine and world wide. I discovered that Gadaffi is killed by mercenaries hired by Israel, the revolt against Gadaffi is a set up by Zionists. All Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are not necessarily Jews! Zionists are SO bad, want all the gold, oil, and water!
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
I have just posted a pile of links (from one of the sites that helped you learn the truth) on another thread here ...
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com /6z58jov
When people discover the truth about the global corruption and the REAL reasons for spreading "peace and democracy in the Middle East" they like us, try to help others see through the lies and distractions placed to conceal what's really going on
Im hoping to upload a video later today that explains it simply ;-)
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Thanx fr links. "Spreading Peace"=Orwellian double talk for kill kill kill, loot loot loot, get rid of as many people as is possbl in fascist ways, hijack The Media, brainwash the slaves (public), keep them believing that they are free, create World Wars, hate, fear, paranoia, enact the Patriot Law, chem trails (experiments with poison on population incl. fluoridation of drinking water, vaccinations (=autism), spreading Aids/Flu/Cancer/, causing climate change, etc. etc. Peace!
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
"..."Spreading Peace"=Orwellian double talk for kill kill kill, loot loot loot..."
You've got the hang of it now ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
FYI ....
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com /6gn2r9y
I think that indicates VERY clearly who has their eyes on the huge fresh water aquifer under Libya ;-) ...
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com / 67pk9av
HTH Understanding ;-)
bluesman979 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
"The *REAL* truth behind current Middle-Eastern policies" has just been uploaded to my channel ...
w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=TF5y1XzZUPY
It'll be a REAL eye opener for those that don't yet know the truth
HTH Understanding ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 I meant to say, I agree, why can't we edit our comments, why can't we provide links the way they are, without getting a warning in red: error! try again. This happens regularly to me. -Try again- means: delete your message. You Tube, Face Book, Wikipedia, Blogs, all Web sources providing personal, or 'sensitive' info must be riddled with NWO spies. Peace!
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
I think its just a little bit of site code to prevent links and linking
It seems to be easily defeated by inserting spaces into the url to break up the bits the subroutine recognises, (the "h t t p" and "w w w" bits seem to trip the switch every time) and hoping that people realise they have to edit the spaces out to make the url work ;-) )
HTH Understanding ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 4 months ago
Long live Israel, there is no such a thing as Palestinian nation and never was. Long live Israel. Long live the Zionists. Abbas is a terrorists, arrest him!
triplecheck4 5 months ago
No Muslim country ever attacked on America but Israel attacked the USA twice that has been well documented in Wikipedia. This video will show you how Israel attacked on America, please educate the World’s population about these events in the past that nobody knows, and even Americans who support Israel so blindly.
youtube.com/watch?v=fvItZ2GS88A
I am also including the Wikipedia Reference.
1 - Lavon Affair
2 - USS Liberty incident
go to wikipedia . org search for above events
americantruthteller 5 months ago
@americantruthteller I think that the majority of the persons in the 911 attack were Saudis, but hey, don't take it personally, it was probably just a coinky dink. And the USS COLE, that wasn't technically on land...
Anyone has a basic right to defend themselves eventually. America, Israel, and other democracies are still the greatest hope for the enslaved people of the world. Globalists flying under American's colors have betrayed all of us.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 Please do wake up because America and Israel govrnmnts are fascistic, and under the thumb of the NWO. The Patriot Act .... is that democracy? The Twin Towers tragedy perpetrated by the US govrnmnt, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and the rest ... is that democracy? The brutal tactics of gov.of Israel in Palestine .... democracy? Who are the enslaved poor people? All of us are! enslaved by the propaganda machine of a fascist NWO elite greedy for oil, gold, water, mass extinction.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@raficsulejmanovic also my comment was a response to another comment (written in the same style) and also a general comment, to the discussion around this conflict.
SinatraChild 5 months ago
This Abbas is a liar of the first kind! Jerusalem was never an Arab Capital or that there is such a thing as "Palestinian" People hood, they are ARABS. Even as we speak such nation called "Palestinians" does not exist. It is only for political reasons that they created such people hood. PLO= terrorists. Shame on this con artist! Arabs belong in the Arabian Desert where they were originated! The Settlers are the Arabs who came en mass to seek work when the Jews began to rebuild its home!
triplecheck4 5 months ago
@triplecheck4 no retard the settlers are the eastern European phonies coming from Ukraine whore are khazar and not semitic fuck yourself
MuslimSoldier187 5 months ago
@MuslimSoldier187 Actually dipshit over 60% of Israelis are descended from Jews who never set foot in Europe but came from the Middle East, your Khazar theory has been scientifically refuted, catch up that was a theory from the 1960s LOL
starcatcher2222 5 months ago
@starcatcher2222 Please please please be honest. Do you think that the Jews are the chosen people on this planet?
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight Chosen for what? Not chosen to be superior to any other human beings. Chosen to assume certain obligations perhaps according to their literature.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@MuslimSoldier187 mind your speech please. is a good exercise. makes you more humane.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
This Abbas is a liar of the first kind! Jerusalem was never an Arab Capital or that there is such a thing as "Palestinian" People hood, they are ARABS. Even as we speak such nation called "Palestinians" does not exist. It is only for political reasons that they created such people hood. PLO= terrorists. Shame on this con artist! Arabs belong in the Arabian Desert where they were originated! The Settlers are the Arabs who came en mass to seek work when the Jewis began to rebuild its home!
triplecheck4 5 months ago
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I believe that the moment has come whereby both sides, Israel and the occupied territories, put to one side the blood shed that has transfused and engulfed the holy land in the most bottomless of pits. What is now needed, above all other things, is a purposeful and meaningful leadership steered by those at the helm. The stewardship is now in the hands of those who it seems have already made up their minds. May the heavens grant the suffering people of this world a quick end and eternal peace.
westernise 5 months ago
The Holy Land?? ... All Of The Planet Is Holy Land, Every Inch Of It! Land and whatever, these things do not belong to anybody. All people are care takers only of all the land and all things. Nobody owns anything ever. Whoever you are, do your utmost to be human-e- NOW, take care of all living beings, animals included.
Disown! the barbaric past, its fabricated history books! If necessary let us die for expressing openly our feelings of unconditional love for all living beings wherever.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago 2
@starsbydaylight that is true, all the land is holy, but many of the inhabitants are truly profane.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 Most of the highly educated lay people, clergy, politicians everywhere choose to remain stuck in outdated, refuted, as well as profane ideas that when carried out have again and again proven to seriously stagnate the emancipation of human beings, causing a great many people to have little or no respect for human life, the lives of animals and the Earth. I can not understand why the human race can't get it right on planet Earth. Unbridled patriarchy has a lot to answer for.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight That drumbeat "unbridled patriarchy" is too shallow. The devil is always in the detail. Ask yourself these questions: what social movement resulted in the empowerment of the middle classes, more so than any other and the answer has to be capitalism. But in a larger sense, the RULE OF LAW as encoded in American Jurisprudence should be hailed as the #1 WONDER OF THE MODERN WORLD. Despite the fact that the vermin have eroded it's efficacy.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight I am not trying to be insulting because I am drawn by your sincerity and the things you hold up as the criteria, but don't take it for granted that respect for human rights just sprang out of the cosmos. Trace the history of human rights. Measure each society by it's advancement of human rights. Judge every culture's literature by it's contribution to the advancement of human rights of all men. Then tell me if you think that merely condemning patriarchy is sufficient.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 I too have utmost respect for what brave individuals have done, often laid down their lives while exposing injustices that kept exploiting the underprivileged. Sincere, talented people will keep doing just that -contributing to the advancement of human rights (animal rights, and Mother Earth's rights- :^). I am not condemning patriarchy. I do condemn -unbridled- patriarchy. It has declared women, half of the world population, second class citizens. It has shown that it is ....
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight maybe unbridled anything is a problem.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@cunaeus22 Yes -unbridled anything- has to cause problems.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight The rabbis teach that the discussion of law is the only suitable conversation for adults. Law being the perfect balance between mercy and truth.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@cunaeus22 Adults into law ... plus all existing lawyers ... I live in one of the many democratic first world countries where the prison walls are bursting with petty criminals, where bankers get a platinum hand shake for quitting looting left right and center and for saddling up the barely two million tax payers of this tiny country, as well as their children with a debt of eur50.000.000.000 goes unpunished by the law. People who implemented the illegal Patriot Act are above the law ... sigh.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight I highly recommend that any semi-free country, that it's citizens become familiar with what happened in Bolivia when they went up against Bectel, the World Bank and their own corrupt government and prevailed when their government sold all their water to Bectel. If we can't all be Bolivian citizens, then we shall be slaves, again.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@cunaeus22 Educated as well as uneducated people world wide have been suffering intensely during thousands of years from the disastrous effects of the incompetent brutal decisions made by highly educated people, be they 'the clergy', or whoever, holding key positions. In spite of constant access to mountains of highest wisdom offered by mystics independent of organized religions, it is a fact that this civilization is at its lowest ebb ever. Hopefully the tide will turn for the better.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight perhaps if the main content of American citizens had been law aka the study of justice, it wouldn't have become corrupted. How do you think a household can be maintained when the householder is drunk on sports, crap music and his inane tv shows?
cunaeus22 4 months ago
Respond to this video... not capable of justly ruling people, animals, or Mother Earth. Maybe it is true that the Rule of Law as encoded in American Jurisprudence is the # 1 Wonder of the Modern World. Despite its existence, and with all the brilliant work done by good people for the good of the many, we are all bankrupt, on the brink of extinction now. Maybe Planet Earth itself and the lives of all people and all animals on it will never be free from a ruling class favoring wrong priorities.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight It is a matter of perspective. How do you know what justice is? What perfect judgement is? We are not all bankrupt, wise men know to roll with the punches. The punches have been the constant, the moves forward are the are the life. Planet earth, most of it is still wilderness. We might be able to destroy it but we have to try a lot harder. Nuclear is probably pretty efficient. However, the idea of a planet without people is just such a pathetic scenario.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@cunaeus22 Justice is not static. Justice needs to be found anew, every situation that needs justice to be done needs a different verdict. And yes, one or some people always survive a huge calamity, can tell the tale. Still, the death and destruction, the suffering caused by an all out nuclear war doesn't bear thinking of. The situation is hopeless. We all are at the mercy of unwise power freaks with access to deadly weapons, fighting for supremacy, be they lay people or religious people.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight Justice is a living thing, I agree. And everyone is entitled to have their own end time script. I am sure that man will devise a few more comic book disaster scenarios for himself, but I don't actually subscribe to a belief in which man in the master of his own destiny, there is a certain voice of irony throughout history that I suspect will repeat itself. The Overlords are having a hard time right now with their adolescent schemes being unveiled continually on the net.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight I would have to disagree if you were going to measure man's footprint by the number of people in the world that have access to the vote, are given a redress of human rights violations...but even more so...the number of people who believe in attaining their freedom because it was once rumored that men in America were free..those who aspire to freedom in South America and China...freedom is what you gauge it by.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
"Disown! the barbaric past, its fabricated history books!"
If only they were capable ....
If wishes were horses beggars would ride ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 Yes .. if wishes were horses :^) .. if only we were taught when being young how to shake off narrow minded religious and political dogmas, we would gladly disown the past, we would realize that to be standing on our transient two tiny feet on this transient tiny planet that is appearing and disappearing in a vast cosmos means having the chance to actualize our inalienable, innate, pure, unconditional love for all that lives and is, thus causing happiness everywhere we go.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight
"if wishes were horses ..."
One of the proverbs I learned from my Grandmother when I was young (many many years ago ;-) ) some others that have stuck with me are ...
"Tapping persistently breaks the biggest rock"
"He that's born to hang needn't fear drowning"
and ...
"The best knowledge is to know yourself"
Maybe if more people had a deeper self-knowledge they'd understand others better (and possibly post less hatred online) ? ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight The idea of inalienable, innate, pure, unconditional love for all that lives is a puzzle. Where did you get the idea that this love was innate and not the result of moral choices?
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 Imagine a well looked after new born baby sleeping. Now give it a big slap. It will cry loud out of protest against this injustice. See what I mean?
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight You assume the baby knows it to be injustice, that the baby has a concept of law. The baby cries because it's animal like consciousness was interrupted. The slap could have been to dislodge some phlegm. All human beings born, devoid of experience so in one way they are called innocent. But how much more valuable is it for a mature person to walk in such a way that he causes no injury, isn't that learned innocence of more consequence? I am questioning your basic paradigm.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
@cunaeus22 In human beings innate goodness cannot be eradicated. It can be made to become deformed, twisted. This can be undone again. One can not c r e a t e goodness in a baby or adult human being, nor in someone that commits brutal or other criminal acts. Complete Goodness is already there. It can get obscured by states of mind as blind hatred, obsession, greed, but it can be fully actualized again. IMO a baby asleep getting a painful slap screams because its innate dignity is violated.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@bluesman97 My friend, how have you arrived at the place and time where you think that these human dignities are the penultimate goal of mankind? For most of history most of mankind has been slaves. The short time that America and other democracies have furthered the cause of human rights, is a fly speck on the historical time line. I encourage to study the history of human rights for you are endanger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, my friend.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
I would suggest the US is a fledgling democracy (the civil rights movement in the 60s is proof enough of that IMO ;-) )
You think universal equality and fairness for *all* is an unrealistic objective ?
I don't (nor does most of the rest of mankind if recent news is anything to go by ;-) )
HTH Understanding ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 yes, a fledgling democracy upon a sea of history where the only rule was "might makes right". America was the vanguard of human rights. Don't condemn it because it fails to live up to it's own goals or join in with those who, lacking any human rights records of their own, nevertheless take their part in shoving America's standards down her throat when they see her stumble. Equal treatment under the law is a divine standard. I suggest reading Kant on Reason.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
"Don't condemn it because it fails to live up to it's own goals or join in with those who, lacking any human rights records of their own, {SNIP} I suggest reading Kant on Reason"
I don't condemn it for anything other than actions that are plainly wrong
I dont have the time to revise the conflicts/relationships between consequentialism and deontology ATM, I've a studio to operate and 100s of technical publications/manuals IF I find I need reading material ;-)
HTH ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 Yes, we may find ourselves in a time when people feel that they don't have time to embrace reason. That is too bad. I also have employees that are dependent upon me & we all must keep our noses to the grindstone, right? It doesn't take much energy at all to simply point a finger at what is wrong but it takes more understanding to look beyond and ask even why you know it is wrong. It hasn't always been considered wrong to step on others to get your way, that is fairly new concept.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
"America was the vanguard of human rights."
Many would dispute this ;-)
US demonstrably holds itself and its actions above the law (or at least beyond the jusristiction of the ICC) and there is clear proof of national policies that are in breach of international law, the destabilisation and interference in the affairs of sovereign states, the assasinations, the supplying of Israel with nuclear technology etc
w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=9ho-UJxBnNY <- HTH ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 If America wasn't in the vanguard of human rights, would you like to suggest which nation would take that slot, recognizing of course that governments by their nature have to be cited as the greatest violators of human rights. Can you explain where a Wilbur Wilberforce sprang from? How a single obscure man can successfully push forward a conversation condemning slavery and prevail against the mercantile interests of one of the most potentially ruthless people on earth?
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
I would suggest that America was simply a part of the global collective development of "modern conscience"
If of course such a thing, (or anything) actually exists, as Hume would point out, we cannot even prove the existence of ourselves, indeed bundle theory/induction fallacy also excludes the use of proper scientific method, and should make me doubt that a bulb will light if I press the wallswitch
Maybe I'm just "intellectually lazy" expecting the light to come on ? ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 If you are willing to qualify the concept with 'if such a thing exists", that is fine. It gets to the core of my point, compare America to things that actually exist rather than an Utopian Model. I think it imperative that people distinguish between reform and annihilate and define what it is they are after.
Did you know that those who seek to govern, but haven't come into power, quite often say ANYTHING YOU WANT TO HEAR to achieve their end goal? :)
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
I think the sooner we get a PROPER world court the better
*IF* the reasons for putting the Nazis on trial after WW2 stand as good then Bush, Blair, Netenyahu and the *entire* NWO cabal that created the fictions that started the wars in Iraq Afghanistan (and now an everlasting global war against an invisible enemy straight out of Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-four) need to be tried as warcriminals for planning and waging an agressive war(s) then look at Cast Lead etc etc
HTH ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 Israel is an ally and a democracy. Palestinians in Israel live better than they do anywhere else in the region. Palestinians have more rights in Israel than they have in any other country in the region. That is a fact.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
"Israel is an ally and a democracy."
If by ally you mean ...
"A foreign power that spies on the USA steals its intelligence and corrupts it's leaders" then I agree with you
If by free you mean ...
"Free to live in a modern copy of the Warsaw Ghetto being collectively punished, abused, having your land stolen, property destroyed and being demonstrably ethnically cleansed by people who call you sub human (can you say "untermench" ?) in Gaza/West Bank again I concur
bluesman979 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 Kant is known for being the most boring philosopher ever ....
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydayligh only because folly is preferred over reason. It is obvious that America prefers profane liberal comedians.
cunaeus22 4 months ago
Now is now! No matter what happened in the past, NOW Palestinians, whoever they are, need a country, a state. Let them have it. Israelites, whoever they are, need a country, a state, within the1967 borderlines. Let them have that. Neither Palestinians nor Israelites can claim to have ancestral rights on the so called holy land. Both are invaders. The Torah, Bible, Koran are absolutely untrustworthy records of the history of the people living at those barbaric times in the Middle East.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight Archaeology confirms the Jewish existence in the land at the time the Bible places them there. International law confirmed the Ancestral rights of the Jewish people. The 1967 lines were not internationally recognized borders he Local Arabs never needed a state before why are they wanting one now?
starcatcher2222 5 months ago
@starcatcher2222 How can we expect the so called Palestinians living in so called Palestine to all pack their bags and move to Jordan? Impossible. The local Arabs did not need yet another state before, but now they do. Why not have the tiny state of Israel living next to the tiny Palestinian state(-to-be(?) Would it not be a relief for Israelis and Palestinians? Both peoples have nowhere else to go. Please tell me what you think is an adequate solution.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
@starsbydaylight Israel should annex the West Bank, If the Arabs want political rights as Israelis they should take an oath of Loyalty to the state they live in, if not they should simply have local autonomy. The proposed Palestinian state is simply a way to prolong the conflict, if they wanted a peaceful state they would have had it by now but their leaders are gangsters who would be redundant and powerless if they were without a conflict.
starcatcher2222 5 months ago
@starcatcher2222 Thank you for offering your point of view. Maybe autonomy for the Palestinians is what will come about. I have no confidence anymore in any leaders wherever. I am afraid that a very high percentage of leaders past and present were and now too are gangsters with some God and deadly weapons on their side, putting all of humanity in mortal danger, a nuclear WWIII is unavoidable. Only a naive person thinks that that will not happen. Unbridled patriarchy all sorts must vanish.
starsbydaylight 5 months ago
@starcatcher2222
"Israel should annex the West Bank, If the Arabs want..."
You are demonstrably very politically naive and totally lacking *any* understanding outside your own personal aims and beliefs
By your reasoning UK should invade/annex Ireland, and set about the subjugation and/or ethnic cleansing of the Irish presumably at gunpoint, as the best possible solution to the "Irish Situation"
HTH Others' understanding of this Zionist's apartheid-based agenda and propaganda ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 You are quite naive, the Irish are in their homeland the Arabs are not. That analagogy falls flat. You haven't a clue WHO is practicing Apartheid in the Middle East but it isn't Israel. Only in your warped mind are those who have resisted loudly proclaimed threats of ethnic cleansing are accused of that very crime.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
"the Irish are in their homeland the Arabs are not"
So all the Arabs arrived after 1947 ?
NOBODY is going to believe that piece of propaganda
h t t p : / / tinyurl . com / 6a4ybyd
I still don't understand the entitlement to the land for anyone OTHER than the Palestinians, other than an imaginary friend promised land to a primative tribe 1000s of years ago, and if that's a valid claim where's my flat in Paris and compensation? My ancestors were persecuted too
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 No but in 1919 there were fewer than 3/4 of a million Arabs in all of the region of Palestine both east and west of the Jordan river, The Emir Feisal explicitely recognized what is now Israel as the Jewish Homeland, Arab nationalist aspirations for that particular property are post Zionist.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
Aren't you Irish ?
I'm Welsh
As Celts we too MUST be entitled to compensation (and flats in Paris ;-) ) *if* the state of Israel is "internationally lawful" (sic) due to ancient entitlement (rather than the cynical Zionist manipulation of the collective guilt of goyim over the holocaust following WW2***)
Our ancestors suffered too despite promises made by their god
*** Touched on here w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=L8aM7ne9PCI
HTH Understanding ;-)
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 The State of Israel is "internationally lawful" because international law is the law of treaties and the unanimous treaty in effect with regards to the region once called Palestine signed at San Remo recognized the historic injustice done by Rome and agreed to the restoration of the Jewish nation to its ancestral homeland, you may not agree with that law just as I do not agree with some laws but that is the law, the holocaust is actually irrelevant to the legal issue.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
"with regards to the region once called Palestine signed at San Remo"
So we've gone from your previous position of "Palestine never existed " to your now quoting historical references to Palestine
You are undone, you stated definitively that Palestine *never* existed, now you say it *did*
As debate is impossible with the demonstrably dishonest, we are done
HTH Others'understanding as to the *total* dishonesty employed by apologists for the Zionist agenda
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 "Demonstrably dishonest"? You are an imbecile, Palestine never existed once as an independent country except for the 3 times it has been a Jewish commonwealth. That is a simple fact an historic truth. Yosemite never existed as a country either and has as much business being an Arab state as the REGION of palestine. You do find it impossible to debate when presented with FACT that destroys your idiotic "internationally unlawful" statement. Aren't you Kind of dishonest?
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
""Demonstrably dishonest"? You are an imbecile, Palestine never existed once as an independent country"
I'm far from being an imbecile. You said Palestine didn't exist prrior to the creation of Israel in 1946, I posted proof it did and you've now resort to personal abuse because you have been seen to be deliberatlely distorting the truth
"internationally lawful" was a quotation from YOU
" @starsbydaylight...International law confirmed the Ancestral rights..."
bluesman979 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
As I demonstrated you showed yourself to be dishonest, then you tried to distort the facts to suit your agenda
You stated that Palestine didnt exist prior to 1946 I showed this to be untrue with a map
Then the you started making historical references to a place you said didnt exist!
When challlenged about this you were abusive and tried an obvious inversion of the facts (saying *I* am dishonest)
That's what precludes any further debate
HTH Understanding
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Where did I say "Palestine didn't exist" without saying as an independant nation? That is an irrefutable fact that it did not exist as an independent nation once in history and exactly what I said you either are a Liar or you lack reading comprehension skills. Your saying that Israel was created in 1946 shows how little you actually know. You refuted your own misunderstanding of what I said and say I'm being dishonest? Is English your 2nd language Or is comprehension not your forte?
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222 To deliberately misquote someone and then accuse them of changing their position is beneath contempt so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming for your own sake that you are simply an ignorant person who yet has the ability to learn something rather than a simple supporter of murder based on ethnic hatreds you hold in common with Arabs.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@bluesman979 I am a Celt, but from Luxembourg :^). I lived in magic Bala, north-Wales, now live in the Republic of Ireland since decades on end. Long live the welsh and irish old languages! In spite of the stretched out over millenniums multiple brutal invasions by foreigners, the Celts in Wales Ireland and Scotland, on the mid-Western wing of the Old Continent and beyond are alive and kicking! The ROI is now invaded by the International Mafia Money Police and robbed of its sovereignty, alas.
starsbydaylight 4 months ago
@starsbydaylight
"I am a Celt, but from Luxembourg"
So are Frank and Andy Schleck and they are a force for good IMO ;-)
"The ROI is now invaded by the International Mafia Money Police and robbed of its sovereignty, alas"
FYI Occupy London Stock Exchange starts this Saturday (15th Oct), the plan is to meet up at St Paul's Cathedral at noon to march to LSE and start the occupation (that sounds like a plan to me ;-) )
That'll piss off the wankin' bankers without a doubt :-D
bluesman979 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
"Archaeology confirms the Jewish existence in the land at the time the Bible places them there. International law confirmed the Ancestral rights of the Jewish people. "
Archaeology and historical documents PROVE my ancestors (Celts) were killed/enslaved by Julius Caesar at and following the Battle of Alesia
I want a flat in Paris and compensation
If you support Israel on this ancient entitlement, then you HAVE to support my claim or be seen as a complete hypocrite
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Then you should take your case up with the French, The Ancestral rights of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland was agreed upon unanimously by the international community. I have to do nothing regarding your claim that is between you and the French. Arabs suddenly discovering a "Palestinian" National identity only after there was a Jewish state is such a transparent ploy it's laughable especially when 78% of Palestine is already an Arab country.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@starcatcher2222
"Arabs suddenly discovering a "Palestinian" National identity only after there was a Jewish state is such a transparent ploy it's laughable especially when 78% of Palestine is already an Arab country."
The Balfour declaration refers to Palestine on November 2 1917 and proves you are wrong ...
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment *in Palestine* of a national home for the Jewish people ..." (My emphasis)
This clearly shows lies are being told
bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Wow you are a nincompoop, How, Praytell, Does the British reference to a geographical region have anything at all to do with the nationalist feelings urges or desires of the Arabs. You are not much of a researcher maybe you should refer yourself to the Emir Feisals correspondence with Weizman during this same historical period. Tell me is Yosemite a nation as well.
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@bluesman979 Palestine prior to the creation of Israel was settled by a heterogeneous population including Greeks, Armenians, Arabs, Italians, Indians, Kurds, Afghans, Bosnians, Albanians, Berbers, Persians, Circassians and others,, and they were not called "Palestinians" as there was no Palestinian nationality.
Thats why the Balfour Declaration was announced..because Palestine was not a sovereign country of "Palestinians"....and 80% was given to the Jordanians. No your history.
sugarhitman 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
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@sugarhitman
Run along with your zionist propaganda little shill, distorting history with your lies that prostitute the victims of the holocaust that just creates greater hatred for zionism and those that would support it
Gerald Kaufman knows and speaks the truth though ...
w w w . youtube . com / watch?v=L8aM7ne9PCI
HTH Educate others as to the war crimes and the absolute lies of the zionists
bluesman979 4 months ago
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bluesman979 4 months ago
@bluesman979
As Kaufman says his grandmother wasn't murdered by Nazis in Poland to facilitate the murder of Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza and the West Bank by warcriminals cynically exploiting the collective guilt of the Goyim to further their racist political agenda
FYI *ANYONE* who would advocate that zionism *IS* Judaism has either NO understanding of what either actually is ...
OR clearly has an agenda that is demonstably against Christian, Jewish *and* Islamic values
HTH
bluesman979 4 months ago
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starsbydaylight 5 months ago
Yeah I know, but wasn't land won in a war where the winner keeps the land? Or what is UN to do about it now other than what they did back then right after the war
JOHANNWIEBEF 5 months ago
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@JOHANNWIEBEF
"Yeah I know, but wasn't land won in a war where the winner keeps the land? Or what is UN to do about it now other than what they did back then right after the war"
If that *were* true UK, USA, and the Russia would have got to divvy up the whole of Europe after WW2 and keep it (plus a large chunk of Africa, and the Far East of course), so it is demonstrably *not* the case
HTH Understanding ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 Actually the winners in WWII did divvy up Europe at Potsdam, East Prussia is no longer a part of Germany
starcatcher2222 4 months ago
@JOHANNWIEBEF YUP, but the way the game is played, the loser wants to play over with the "other rules"
cunaeus22 5 months ago
Why don't you Palestinians stop begging the UN?
JOHANNWIEBEF 5 months ago
@JOHANNWIEBEF Because its the ''United Nations'' Not the ''United Assortment of specific Nations''
whythewar1 5 months ago in playlist More videos from AlJazeeraEnglish
they applauded the name of Yasser Arafat
maxwellsolo 5 months ago
@maxwellsolo ipso dicto
cunaeus22 5 months ago
Listen to Netenyahu's speech - he talks of peace. Abbas talks lies and half truths.
manchester0613 5 months ago
Khaled Meshal, 1-Oct.2011 in Tehran referred to Mahmoud Abbas "the source of authority is not weak leaders appeal for negotiations.The option of resistance became the only option after all other options disappeared the action was done without coordination with other movements in the Palestinians arena ".
Ali Khamenei ( Iranian supreme leader ) said in the same event "recognition of Israel - is the end for the Palestinians right of return"
Iran is the problem for no peace in the M.E. !
creatingfl 5 months ago
PUBLIC NOTICE: FATWA CONCERING POSTS ON THIS THREAD
ANYONE HAVING A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAN THAT OF THE SUPREME MUFTI KNOWN AS MISTERHASBUN NEEDS TO SHUT THEIR MOUTHS AND GIVE NO OPINION. POSTERS FOUND IN VIOLATION OF THIS RULE WILL BE TOLD TO SHUT THEIR MOUTH AND DON'T GIVE AN OPINION, IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE MAGNIFICENT GOD OF MOHAMMED'S IMAGINATION AND SUPREME CENSOR OBER ALL US.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
"PUBLIC NOTICE: FATWA CONCERING POSTS ON THIS THREAD
ANYONE HAVING A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAN THAT OF THE SUPREME MUFTI KNOWN AS MISTERHASBUN NEEDS TO SHUT THEIR MOUTHS AND GIVE NO OPINION......"
Seek professional help
Your medication regimen is demonstrably failing in its efficacy
HTH ;-)
bluesman979 5 months ago
@bluesman979 It was sarcasm....just thought that bro hasbun could save a lot of trouble by issuing a fatwa
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22
"It was sarcasm...."
I am sorry, being male and not possessing ovaries, I am in fact, *totally* incapable of telepathy.
From this perspective, you must admit it does seem somewhat unreasonable for you to have assumed I would know it was sarcasm ;-)
HTH :-D
bluesman979 5 months ago
Again, don't give your opinion if you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The fact of the matter is that this region has been know as Palestine since the 5th century before Christ. How long has is been known as Israel??? Can anybody answer that? All Palestinians want is independence from the Israelis. They already occupy Gaza and W. Bank, whats the harm, what are you'll so afraid of?
MisterHasbun 5 months ago
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@MisterHasbun
Your command ", don't give your opinion if you don't know what the hell you're talking about" is a perfect example of your idea of a discourse....only you know what a correct opinion is...and that is YOUR opinion. Okay, we got it.
But you never heard that both Islam and the PLO or whatever they call themselves today, formally call for the annihilation of the JEWS? you have had a pretty selective education.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@MisterHasbun They also want the Jews to give them the Temple Mount, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THE TEMPLE MOUNT? eh? how long has it been the Al asqa mosque? Why do the Mohammedans point their butts towards their own mosque when praying on the Mount? Is it because they are praying to MECCA where they belong? and just faking that the al aqsa mosque is also their "sacred place" when it is just a piss on the wall to show they did.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 - That is a debate that will never end my friend. I can tell you this tho, I am an Orthodox Catholic Palestinian, not Muslim. But you should watch the way you speak about Muslim people. No body is insulting anyone here, it is just politic talk. As for the temple, who cares how long it has been the temple mount? They don't want to get it from the Jews cuz they already have it. FYI it was originally built to be a church. Learn something before you open your big mouth.
MisterHasbun 5 months ago
@MisterHasbun As you say "Who cares how long it has been the temple mount" which is an asinine comment considering the whole debate "claims" to be about property rights & historical occupations between the two parties. You represent the Palestinian & Muslim position very clearly, "Who cares about who owns what when we have it" and then go moaning and whining to the rest of the world about your "rights" when somebody else has it. Very good, perfect. That is what we know you to be.
cunaeus22 5 months ago
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@MisterHasbun You do more damage to your position when you open your "big mouth" and let the public see how you think, than I could do in a million posts.
" As for the temple, who cares how long it has been the temple mount? They don't want to get it from the Jews cuz they already have it." QUOTE MISTERHASBUN< TYPICAL HYPOCRITE...."who cares who owns what as long as we have it in our grubby paws"
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@MisterHasbun What you need to know that the name Palestine has nothing to do with Arabs and Arabic. There is no mention in the Koran of the word Palestine in spit of the fact that the Koran was written thousand of years after the Roman changed the name of Judea to Palestine to humiliate the Jews. But the arch terrorist Yassar Arafat and his minion adopted that name to create a newly minted "people hood" =called Palestinian that the Palestinian Jews had prior to 1948. Palestine=Israel
triplecheck4 5 months ago
Abbas declares Israel racist and an apartheid state. He refuses to accept a signal bit of responsibility for the failure of peace talks, and does not take responsibility for the actions of his people and his unity government, which relentlessly launches rockets into Israel. He is a child, and deserved the same walk out as Ahmendinajad, and nothing more. The applause given to the mention of Yassar Arafat, a known terrorist, completely delegitimizes the UN and the General Assembly.
judahism92 5 months ago
@judahism92 "Terrorist". Oh please - Netanyahu celebrated the King David Hotel Jewish terrorist bombing which killed 92 people in 1946, so drop the "terrorist" crap; Israel is a terrorist NATION. Mandela, Michael Collins, Che Guevara, Lenin, Washington, they're all "terrorists" according to some historian or other. What counts here is the moral weight of armed retaliation. Palestine has PERFECT moral right to take up arms and Moshe Dayan himself said EXACTLY the same thing. Read more.
TodayFreedom 5 months ago
Noble Qur'an:2:190 Footnote: By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, or does not fulfill this duty, dies as a hypocrite."
YOU SEE< THEY LOVE BRUTALITY AND WAR BECAUSE THE Q'URAN TEACHES THEM TO LOVE BRUTALITY AND WAR
cunaeus22 5 months ago
@cunaeus22 I'm a Roman Catholic. So let me educate you - the largest religion on the planet (Catholicism) retains the right to sanction "Just War". The Church, as supreme arbiter of moral law on earth, therefore defines when a man may or may not take up arms. Once upon a yesteryear it decided that the Holy Crusades were a "Just War". It wasn't, it was a bloodbath. Frankly, the rules of Jihad are far more humane than any the Church held, and any military historian will tell you that.
TodayFreedom 5 months ago