@MrZpurd you are very knowledgable, Im a devout Christian and you are presenting great information I didnt know. Also the piedes(idk spelling) galaxy in old test. was said to have 7 stars, and when the bible was translated into english they thought it it was strange bc every1 thought there were only 6. Many years later they found the 7th star only visable with a telescope
@stephaniemariescott Really, I guess that prove your bible then. Knowledge about stars have been known thousands of years before the a single word of the bible was written. What do you do with, let's say, Leviticus 11 then? How about all the species of animals fitting in one boat? Fact of the matter is, the bible contain no knowledge that the bronze age people didn't already know. If it were inspired by god, then, it should at least contain something about germ theory or n antiobiotic
The man preaching SHOULD HAVE answered the man's question right then and there. He is there to bring people to the Lord, he should have stopped and taken time for that man.
@branchbros How many times since the bible was written have we seen talking animals? Sticks turning into snakes? Things just morphing into other things? People rising from the dead? Virgin births? Seas being split in two? And I could go on.. How many times? That period was known for making a lot of shit up and the bible is just a collection from older religions.. Funny how that doesnt happen any more now we have science..
Parrots can however only imitate human language.. They can only repeat words they have heard and in the same context. They are not able to structure sentences other than that, and they are not able to carry out a conversation unless the entire conversation has been taught.. So not really the same situation as in the bible :)
@muude LOL ya i was bein sarcastic. But i do find it interesting that chariot parts have been found on the floor of the red sea that date back to the time of moses. Though some people dismiss this as untrue, the pictures look entirely real. And i find it way more plausible than human sculpted "missing links". As far as not seeing anymore resurrections or virgin births, that was done to establish a savior for mankind. So I dont see why that would happen again.
@MrZpurd About the dude who found the chariot parts.. He was a bible treasure hunter and clai to have found several of the most famous incidents.. In this case it is talk of a natural "bridge" that made the sea shallow enough to cross at one point.
Even IF it was the place where loads of people were taken into the sea, it could have been something as simple as Moses going over first and the when they followed, the tide would rise and the others would drown.. So no sea was SPLIT like it said..
@muude Not IF but when. It was stated that there were walls of water on both sides.... doesn't sound like low and high tide to me. Really? how many eight spoked wheel figures have you seen under water. And what about the metallic finds? And yes im familiar with the man who discovered them, along with the anchor stones spread across the land. The ark is iffy but denying the evidence would make you very hypocritical to acknowledge some of the bogus findings that evolution supports.
@MrZpurd I have to admit that my experiences with diving are fairly limited, so I have not been diving with the specific purpose of finding anything in particular. Remember that the person who said that she saw that everywhere but just turned out to be coral formations was the mans wife.
And for some reason it is not allowed to dive in that location any more, so the only evidence for it, are a couple of low grade pictures which could just as easily be faked.
@MrZpurd I have not looked at any evidence for the arc, so please push me in the right direction for this - but do you seriously believe that story happened?
And what bogus evidence are you claiming I accept?
@muude Yea same guy... Ron Wyatt, it was like in the 70's I think. The dimensions of the structure matched the bible and there were animal feces and iron rivets that dated back to the correct time frame, found around the location that the bible states. It could be any boat i guess but that would be a crazy coincidence. I'm just searching for truth like everybody else. To claim that one knows that they have the right answers is bizarre to me. Thats why I find evolution to be so arrogant.
@muude Yea same guy... Ron Wyatt, it was like in the 70's I think. The dimensions of the structure matched the bible and there were animal feces and iron rivets that dated back to the correct time frame, found around the location that the bible states. It could be any boat i guess but that would be a crazy coincidence. I'm just searching for truth like everybody else. To claim that one knows that they have the right answers is bizarre to me. Thats why I find evolution to be so arrogant.
@muude As far as bogus evidence... Lucy for one, A 40% skeleton found and the rest imagined by human imagination? The fact that there is no legit beginning story other that something exploded from nothing. Which takes faith to believe in my opinion, not science. The crafted "missing links" that were then discovered to be fakes. The inaccuracies with carbon dating..... I just feel like they are going to the extents of lying to push a theory.
@MrZpurd So you are saying that because a few con-men tried to get attention, evolution is not credible? How do you think some of these people god busted? By science or by religion?
We can do a little experiment - you try finding as many con men who have used evolution to get ahead and I will make a list of religious people.. Who do you think will have the most on their list?
No one is saying that before the "big bang" there was nothing. Cosmologists pretty much agree that there was something.
@muude No i totally agree with you about people using religion to corrupt people. Take any big name televised super church. But in my opinion you would have to be extremely gullible to accept these fakes as truth. I just dont see how sharing some of the same biological makeup can prove that we changed from specie to specie. Since no one has ever witnessed it, it would seem to be more plausible for a common designer. Your right saying "we dont know", its far to complex for any human to fathom.
@MrZpurd I would be gullible to believe that the universe is based on the physical laws we can demonstrate today.. But you believe that there is an invisible creature in the sky that can hear 6 billion people thoughts at the same time and that he actually cares about all of them.. In addition to this, he also has to entertain the people that have come to his heaven..
Then we can add, talking animals, etc.
Am I being gullible? REALLY?
We have witnessed evolution :) Have you witnessed God?
@MrZpurd And wtf.. Saying "we don't know" is to complex to fathom? I do not and will never pretend to know everything in the world. But making shit up and saying "God did it" does not make it true..
@MrZpurd Inaccuracies? The good thing about science is that when we learn something new, we can change what we previously believed to be true.. We don't stick to a 2000 year old book and claim that it cannot be false.
So what you're saying is "I have never heard of something coming out of nothing, therefore God".. No.. Even if something did come out of nothing, that does not prove God.. The correct answer is "we don't know"..
@MrZpurd "The crafted "missing links" that were then discovered to be fakes." but all the real found extinct fossils, and witnessed evolutionary processes.
@MrZpurd But the dude's wife who went diving with him also said that if you go down there and look for chariot parts, everything seemed to look that way.. You can spot a ton of formations in the coral and the human mind can pretty much see what it wants to see.. Similar to when you can see patterns and shapes in clouds..
@MrZpurd In Saudia Arabia is Mt. Sinai where God gave Moses the Ten Commandments. The top of this mountain to this day is black from where God came down in fire and gave Moses the commandments. You can't travel to Saudia Arabia without invitation or for work or school.
@Skyheartstar777 Yes and that, but it seems that if any evidence is brought forward today that supports the bible or creation, it is looked at as a joke. Theorists only care about the findings that support their idea..... Yet we are the ones who need to have an open mind?
@muude oh my God... I started to reply and then realized it was you Muude!!! hahahaha, are we just going to all the same suggested videos? Haha, I've already had an extensive enough conversation with you I think we both shared alot, so I'm just gonna say guys, check out Muude's channel! He swings fire sticks around and it's really cool! Have a good one man.
@branchbros I dont claim that it happened one way or the other.. So I dont know.. And I am fine with that.. Well I can agree that some of the events happened and that this and that person was king og that time.. Fine with me.. But that does not prove that anytHing supernatural happened.. Just people tellimg stories.. You are usimg God of the Gaps.. I dont know how it all started, therefore God exists..
@branchbros It is written in the bronze age and claims talking animals, walking dead people and other supernatural claims.. Why would I believe it? And you still dont understand where the burden of proof is.. You say it is true - prove it..
@muude If you claim the universe happened from an explosion with pre-existing particles for no reason and with an unknown cause, isn't that being a bit supernatural since we don't see that happening? Jeremiah prophecies that the Messiah will be crucified when he didn't even know what crucifixion was (it was invented roughly 300-400 years after he prophesied it.) Ancient historians like Thallus, Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, they all confirm events that happened in the Bible.
@muude Why wouldn't you believe what the Bible says? Why are you discounting it as evidence? In Jeremiah, it states the the world is spherical in a time when everyone thought the earth was flat. It mentions cities, people, countries, empires, and so much more. No archaeological evidence has been found to disprove the Bible, so why write it off so quickly?
If God has existed forever, and is able to do so because time doesn't exist outside of the universe then you require no creator for either, not just God.
A timeless space with a God in it is no different from a timeless space with an encapsulated universe in it. Both would be exempt from needing to be created since they would have always existed.
The claim makes God a viable creator of the universe while at the same time making the role unnecessary. ヽ(^。^)ノ
@Suge212 Total energy of the universe could well be Zero. No Physical law would be broken by it's spontaneous creation, if that were the case. Look it up.
God of Islam, distant God with many Names, revelation of Quran given by an angel in which resembles more like a demonic possesion.Calls upon the destruction of the infidels. God of the Bible, Love, grace gave His only Son to die for our sins. Revelation given by the Spirit of God on yielded vessels. Says love your enemies!
@TOLTECAAZTECA The easiest explanation is the best one? :p So to answer all questions - "God did it" :p
Those who deny the existence of God actually think about if he is real or not and don't just accept the crap people tell you.. It's called thinking by yourself ;)
@TOLTECAAZTECA You said to accept the easiest explanation? :) What if that is not the correct one?
Like if someone told me that a God created everything.. Well.. Okay..
But why should I believe that if it isn't true? However it would be the easiest answer instead of doing aaaaall that research into science and how stuff actually works..
@branchbros Morals are not objective.. You can punish a rapist based on the laws of a country.. These are commonly agreed upon through the.governing authority.. So if rape is illegal, the rapist wouæd be punished if caught.. You cannot say God or objective morals are created by him by saying it is shown through his creations.. God exists because of.God - crappy argument..
@muude I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me make my argument instead of you making it for me. Your confusing two different points here: there's God's existence through creation and the need of a higher power to establish objective right and wrong. But apparently, according to you, the laws determine right and wrong. So Hitler was acceptable in what he did.
@muude But by your definition, it was subjectively right for Hitler to do what he did, so he's not technically wrong, THEREFORE you may not agree with what he did, but that doesn't make him wrong (according to you.) Rape is immoral because God says so. In the Bible, God never says it is okay to rape. He may say that judgement may come upon you because of your actions, but He never says that rape is a good thing - which, according to you, can be a good thing to someone who believes in it.
@muude He doesn't judge them TO be raped, but that evil things will happen (not by God, but by the absence of God) because they've done evil things.
The sorry part of history is that slavery was acceptable back then. It was the norm of the ancient world, like bikinis for women today would be abhorable to the ancient world. But that doesn't make them wrong
And because they believe it is right, it is their right to believe it's right and not be wrrong, right?
@branchbros I think I have to get your definition of what the bible is then, because I was under the impression that the bible was devinely inspired as the words and actions of God..
So if I can find a place in the bible where it says "God commanded" or "God told bla bla to do this" or "God said to" then you would agree that it is commanded by God?
Because they believe it is right, it is their right to believe it? Erm.. YES.. People are free to believe whatever they want.. Freedom of thought?
@muude But if they think that child porn is right and they do it, who's to stop that person from using your son or daughter for that purpose? If they are free to a subjective morality, then there is no wrong.
If you found a place in the Bible where God says it's righteous to rape, murder, or whatever and show me that God ordained it, I would be really impressed.
@muude If it WAS legal, if we go to Thailand, where it's legal, IS IT OKAY? If you rely on the laws, then Hitler was okay. I never once said that God puts a moral code in us, rather, He sets the standard, shows us what right and wrong are, and gifts us with free will to make our own decisions. Whether we follow Him or not reflects our devotion to our Creator. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God written by God through man, and we can still keep this civilized, please stop the namecalling
@muude Child PORN is legal in Thailand. I'm not twistiing your words! You say it is subjective, but that defeats the purpose of right and wrong. If it's up to the laws, then Hitler was okay, if it were up to the individual, then child porn is acceptable to someone who believes in it. The standard God sets is the Ten Commandments. We cannot live up to that perfect standard so we all deserve to be punished. But Jesus stepped in and paid our fine so we wouldn't have to be punished.
@branchbros Find me a link where it says child porn is legal in Thailand..
It defeats the purpose? What is the purpose?
It is not up to the individual to decide on the laws. It is up to the individual what they think about them and can then choose to obey them or not and face the consequences.
Then ten commandments? Three are signs of a jealous God, three are laws in most countries (stealing, killing and lying in court). Take a day off should be a law? Two are between a man and his wife?
@muude God is a jealous God. Exodus 4 says that. But he deserves all your worship and devotion so why would he not? He said the Sabbath was holy, so what's your questrion? And you honor your father and mother, but if they are not taking care of you as the Bible says. It doesn't say, "Honor the sperm donor and egg recipient." But honor the people who become your mother and father, the ones who take care of you.
@muude The Sabbath is the seventh day that God rested on, thus he declared it holy. If they abuse you, they're not your father and mother, but that neighbor or other family member or anyone else who fulfills the fatherly and motherly role deserves your honor.
Romans 1:20 says, "For in the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Creation testifies
@branchbros And finally.. Respect your mother and father.. Yes.. If they deserve the respect.. If your father other mother beats you senseless every day, should you go to hell for not respecting them?
Jesus was the greatest con man that ever lived, he gave a bunch of ignorant peasants a purpose in life and a false explanation of why we are here. Those people didn't have any alternatives and they desperately wanted answers. We believe whatever bullshit answer we are given until a better one comes along, but too much time passed between the creation of religion and the major discoveries of science. Too many generations were fed religion as fact, and the cycle is now breaking : )
funny how people who dont know the Lord and deny Him seem to know so much about Him, and so difinitively. you have never sought the Lord yet you know for a fact He doesnt exist. you have never seriously looked for Him, yet you have all the answers, then, you just resort to name calling. you cant say you were a Christian when you were younger and now your not, you never were. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship with the Lord. you will never know Him if you dont look for Him.
@branchbros But he also state the HE will do those things to that tribe.. And if you say it didnt happen, that would make God a liar and he would have to go to hell.. Or the bible is just a lie.. Yes, in my mind rape is always wrong.. Even when commanded by your invisible friend in the sky
@muude Of course all those things happened, Benjamin was nearly wiped out. But God works through His people. But I am a Christian, and as such, I am not bound by the Law because it was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. The Law was never put in place to be a human standard, it was to show that we we can't live to God's standard. And according to you, it doesn't matter if you believe rape is wrong; if I believe it's right, then I'm not necessarily wrong, Show me the logic in that plz
@branchbros So killing and raping is acceptable in war? Is that your conclusion? Or only when God says it?
God works through his people? So when we hear of all the priests that molest young boys, that is actually God. He sounds lovely..
If I believe rape is wrong, then it is wrong in my mind no matter what anyone else says. If you do not believe it is wrong, then you do not believe it is wrong.. However it is against what is generally accepted through law, and hene it is illegal..
@muude God never says that raping and killing is okay to do. He says is that it will happen because you have turned away and judgement must pass. Sin is not ordained by God; if a priest molests a boy, it is purely from his sinful nature (but Catholics do not adhere to the Bible anyhow.) But according to you, it doesn't matter because if a priest thought that is was acceptable to molest a child, there's nothing wrong, even if it were legal. And by your own logic, the Holocaust was okay too
@branchbros But god does condone rape in that version.. He says that HE will bring evil and take their wives .. Or are you saying the bible is wrong? And you obviously dont understand what morals are.. Morals are an opinion on a subject, and as such, people can disagree..
@muude Of course the Bible isn't wrong. He doesn't physically do it, but he lets his enemies know that the future misfortunate events are because they disobeyed Him. And clearly you don't know what morals are. Morals, by definition, are, "The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct." And even if we were to agree to disagree about morality, what's to stop me from doing what I think is right and good if it is just YOUR opinion?
@branchbros The misfortunate events? He commands that this will happen and that HE will bring the evil.. Why would he use the word "I" if we was not talking of himself? Are you saying that God is gramatically ignorant?
Well then apparently we just disagree where the standards come from.
Nothing is to stop you from you doing what you think is morally right or wrong? You can do whatever you want - you just have to face the consequences of your actions.. What is stopping you in YOUR opinion?
@muude Put it this way: if you kill someone or rape someone, do you deserve justice? You have to realize the people of Israel were extremely wicked in these times. But you know if right and wrong is subjective then justice is as well. And if it is subjective, who gets to say what the consequences are? If I am doing good in my eyes, there's no need for a punishment!
@branchbros So did the people of Israel say that they would do those things ? Or did God ?
All you are saying is that the bible is written by the men of that time, and that the words are not the words of a God, but of MAN..
Do I have to explain the thing about ones own moral and then the laws of a country AGAIN?
The country you live in are to say what the consequences are.. If you want to live in a certain country you have to obey those laws. So you have the confines..
@muude I said about them. Scripture is God-breathed and written through man, who God told what to write down. According to that logic, Nazi Germany should not be punished for the Holocaust because the Nazis just followed the laws established by Hitler, who was the government. Should the Holocaust just have happened without any interference because it was lawful? Just because a man-made law says something, it doesn't make it automatically right.
@branchbros And the holocaust was not punished by the German state.. Germany chose to attack other countries who the retaliated.. It rarely happens that countries invade another country because of internal "crimes"..
We can both agree that to yours and my moral code, what happened was wrong.. That is why it is OBJECTIVE..
So if God told them to write down "God says bla bla" is it then NOT the word of God?
@muude I'm not completely avoiding the question. It's like me telling you to write something down for me. I wrote it, but it was penned by you. Objective means that there is no opinion, just the absolute that exists. The entire world condemns Hitler and the Nazi party for the Holocaust, because it is objectively wrong to murder. But if morality is based on opinion (subjective) then there's no reason to condmen the Nazi party.
@branchbros Oh sorry.. I meant to write subjective.. Morals are not universal.. Just as any other emotion is different from person to person..
Morality IS based on opinion.. Why else would people think differently on different things? Why DID Hitler kill all those people if he knew it was wrong?
@muude God sets the standard of good and evil, but you may want to create your own standard of right and wrong, regardless of what is actually right according to the objective standard. Hitler was filled with so much hate towards the Jewish people that he created his own standard of right and wrong regardless of the God given standard . Through this, I'm not necessarily proving my God exists, but that there must be a higher power to create good and evil, thus atheism is illogical.
@branchbros Thats just nonsense.. God creates the standards but I can also create my own.. That just makes God redundant.. And therefore nothing to say he exists..
And as i quoted before, apparently he condones murder and rape under the right circumstances..
@muude You can create your own, but you wouldn't be, and aren't, following His true standard. It's called idolatry, forming right and wrong and following the standard made by an imperfect being. And do remember, he said those things to David, but the only thing that happened was David losing his unborn son. All the other things were done by the Israelites and not ordered by God to do so.
@muude The false morals you create is idolatry and it goes against the objective standard. You can deny objectivity all you want, but if the choice is left to the individual, you cannot punish a rapist for raping your daughter if he thinks it's the right thing to do. God is revealed through his creation. There is so much evidence for a young Earth and against the Big Bang Theory but people like you close your mind and call names. I'm open to discussion and I hope you are too.
@branchbros Yes, you can, any rapist that gets caught will go to jail whether they thought it was the right thing to do or not. There is no evidence for a young earth, you are a perfect example of the arrogance of man. You are an animal just like any other animal on the planet, just because you can think on a more complex level (relatively) doesn't mean you're special. Humans just don't have the capacity to understand where the universe came from, why would people 2000 years ago know?
@rsmith1240 Oh please. You're just proving my point about name-calling, ignorant people who are very closeted in their beliefs. There are plenty of examples; take the moon for instance. the moon is receding from the Earth at a rate that would have placed it too close to the Earth merely four billion years ago, causing instability in its orbit, tidal catastrophes on Earth, and other problems that would have prevented the Earth and the Moon being as they are today.
@rsmith1240 And the Big Bang would require time to be infinite but it is not. Think of it as railroad and every trainstop would be a moment in time. One train stop is the exact point in time we are in now and there's another stop five seconds from now. If time were infinite, there would be an infinite amount of stops between now and five seconds from now, thus we'd never reach five seconds later.
@branchbros You are thinking of this like a growing decimal, and yeah, that kind of makes sense when comparing time to train stops because it would just keep going and never reach five because there are infinite decimals..... but if you actually think of time being infinite, it means that there is no end nor start, and comparing it to a train is actually just trying to count to five while doing this. 4.1, 4.11, 4.111, 4.11111, but time is not like this.
@branchbros Mostly, time is not counting how many has gone by therefore making it impossible to get somewhere.... time just is. If we went by your logic, it would not matter if time were infinite or not.... we could still never reach five. What you said can actually be viewed as just stating that time just is... time does not need to be counted, it is an idea. We are here, and time does not need the stops, because time just is.
@dolerbom But that's the point. The illustration shows that time cannot be infinite and must have had a beginning (departure point) and an end (final destination.) I wasn't stating that time was infinite, some other person was. And can you elaborate on the idea of counting please; i've heard the statement before but i didn't really understand. thank you!
@branchbros I meant that what you said kind of defends that time is infinite if i understood it right. I may have the wrong mentality of what you are saying, but how would it be impossible for time to be infinite?
@dolerbom Okay, the fact that there is a NOW moment counters the thought of an infinite time. If time was infinite, there would be an infinite amount of points between your last comment and my response, thus we would never have reached it if the "railroad of time" had an infinite amount of NOW stops.
@branchbros They idea of infinite time is that there is no end or start.... you are just stating trying to count using every decimal when time again is not like that. Even if time were finite it would still have the stops you are talking about, therefore you have an invalid argument.
@dolerbom I don't think you're looking at this correctly. If time were a railroad, it would have to have a finite amount of stops in order to reach every stop. If it had an infinite amount of stops, a "now" moment wouldn't be possible five seconds from now, because it had an infinite amount of "nows" in order to reach it. If time WAS finite, it would only have a certain amount of stops to reach five seconds from now, which it does.
@branchbros What is this railroad stop shit? I am not talking about infinite amount of stops in time, i am talking about infinite time. Infinite time states that there is no end or start, that is it.... By what you are saying, there are finite stops so.... every second a second goes by.... but what about 1.1 seconds.. how about 1.111111111111? Your argument is invalid because even with your nonsense a finite timeline would have infinite stops.
@dolerbom If time is infinite, it would have an infinite amount of points yes? Because it would have no beginning and no end and keep going forever. The fact that there is a "now" moment and a "five second from now" moment means that there has to be a finite amount of time between the points.
@branchbros There are already infinite points between now and five seconds! Time is just infinite with the idea of infinite time. Your points argument makes no sense.... 1 second is a second later lets say. What is .0000000000000000000000000000000000000 on forever 1 seconds later? Then how do you add on to that to get further and further? Time is not a thing, it is an idea! Seconds are counted by us deciding that after this amount of something living it is 1 second.
@dolerbom Regardless if we have seconds or not, now is not an idea; now is the current state of being. I only say seconds because that is the measure of distance we created so people can understand the time frame. Now is a physical occurence while time (as it is measured in seconds, minutes, hours) is a mathermatical expression, you're right there.
@dolerbom But here's another example: a driver drives around a NASCAR track and for every lap he makes, his son on a tricycyle makes ten on the infield. If the driver goes around for an infinite amount of times (like the proposed infinite timeline) he makes the same amount of laps as his son, though his son is supposed to go around 5 times as much. This shows the illogical sense of phycial infinities. Nothing in the physical world, including time, is infinite.
@branchbros You are giving examples that are not time.If the driver is going around infinite times, his son is still ahead of him first of all.... and he will be driving around forever. Time is not a physical thing also. Time is actually just the universe. We created, or made up time to make a calculable way of telling how long things take or when we need to get somewhere.
@branchbros I do not know why you are still stating these things that literally have nothing to do with time, and even the he will do the same laps as his son thing was irrational because infinite never ends, so you can not state he did as many as his son, because he never stops, and his son is ALWAYS AHEAD!
@branchbros Time just is. Time is not actually calculable, we are just here. The idea of infinite time is just there there always was something, and there always will be. Your statement of inbetween 0 and 5 seconds is nothing because time is not math, our time frame as you said is. This is hard to explain o.O
@dolerbom This is very hard to explain because most of this is theoretical. But the fact is time IS calculable because we measure how fast we move around our star and that is one year. A year is longer on Jupiter, but it is still calculable. A day is the distance of one rotation, and so on, and so on.
@branchbros Time is not actually math. Our time frame is math. We stated that blah blah something has gone by and made it seconds, same with days, years, etc, and then we made a time frame for that. Time in the universe does not actually exist, we are just here, but the idea that time is infinite back and forward is not math, it is just stating there was always something.
@brittanybearify im completely open minded, unlike you i might add, if you give me any evidence that supports your point of view then i will change my mind.Stop telling me the story, ive been listening to it since i was 5 years old!!! you havent given me any reason that its any more accurate than snow white and the seven dwarfs!!
You will always be fathered by your perspective. God so desperately wants us to know Him in the right way that He sent Jesus to crush anything and everything that was standing in the way of us knowing Him (sin, sickness, disease,evil spirits). Jesus came to paint the right picture of the Father and now He wants to paint that picture through you, but we need to know Him in the right way. The right perspective is this: He was willing to take on our image long before we were willing to take on His.
@brittanybearify i love watching my brothers and sisters earn crowns for His glory. keep it up, dont forget, wide is the gate and broad is the path that leads to destruction and MANY will find it, narrow is the gate that leads to life and FEW that find it. He even said that most will not accept His word. we know we only answer for ourselves, we are looking for "Well done good and faithful servant". Keep an eternal mindset sister, keep spreading the word, almost Home
@brittanybearify I havenet been lucky enough to have had one, so its not a question of me knowing he exists and rejecting him, its just that i cant see any reason to accept he exists.
And stop saying vague sentences like 'someday you will understand', its just shows that you cant provide anything on an intellectual level to convince me so you just resort to pretending that there is an answer but your not telling me.
@brittanybearify But you haveny given me any reason to want a relationship with God and more than with the Spaghetti Monster!!! at least admit you have no reason to believe in God other than its just your faith and 'it's a cool feeling'. you havent responded to any actual evidence ive brought up that dismisses the idea of God, you've just said that you had a personal experience.
@brittanybearify The fact is you just WANT those beliefs to be true, so you create these feelings to make yourself feel better. And anyway, how can he change my life without imposing restrictions that you condemn in organised religion?
@EuanMan13 Having this conversation with you makes it obvious to me that you don't want to give God a chance in your life, you just want to argue your point which is understandable, this whole time I have have just been asking that if you are really want to know God on a relationship level to seek after it but if that isn't the case, which it seems not to be, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. someday you will understand.
@brittanybearify but its not 'fine' if i dont believe in God is it, it means i spend eternity in torment, and even if you say its just seperation from God then apparently thats worse than anything else so the point is moot. In every religion or belief system there has ever been people have always said that they 'feel' or 'sense' their certain deity, ask muslim, hindu etc.
y do christians bother with stubborn atheists.evolution is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard in my life.a fish developed lungs now that sounds imaginary.Prophecy proves there is a god,just look at IRAN,SyRia,Russia,Egypt,Catholic Church,Israel becoming a nation,there r witnesses of jesus whose testimonies match the bible.How can u describe the jesus of the bible without having read the bible just based on him appearing to u?
@Terceira73 So fish developing lungs sounds imaginary, but a prophecy of a man just existing and designing us is just solid. The meaning of prophecy is a prediction, not a fact. How is israel becoming a nation prove there is a god, witnesses from thousands of years ago aren't really that reliable, since they also thought the world was flat. So if someone said I think I saw keanu reeves, and described a guy who looked similar, BUT WAIT, he hasn't even seen the matrix how is that possible? Plz DIE
@Terceira73 Have you heard of Anabantids? They are a Living intermediary fish. They have what's called a Labyrinth organ. It's a Pre-evolutionary Lung.
Sources: Betta Fish, Gouramis and Other Anabantids or Labyrinth fish. There's a lot of them.
@sharlyates40 no no no, we don send ourselves to hell, you have it completely wrong. The proposition from God is that either we love him with all our hearts, or he rejects us and sends us to hell for ETERNITY. how can i love something that i dont believe in?
@brittanybearify but why should i? im afraid we cant reconcile this, your talking about faith, which is belief without a reason, and i think faith is just ridiculous and is no different from gullibility. I was brought up a christian until i was sixteen and i believed he existed, but i only had to spend a few days thinking about it and i realised there is no EVIDENCE, philosophical or historical, to believe in the christian, muslim or judiac god. You only want to believe in him, thats it
I completely understand you, trust me. Its weird because I was raised "non-Christian" and God gave me personally evidence in my life that He is real and that He loves me. And if you don't want to believe in God that is fine, but if you let Him, He can enter your life and change it. I don't know what kind of "religion" you were brought up in but I believe that religion is the true believer's worst enemy, composed of many rules and lack of love and relationship.
@muude I guess you will no excuse on judgement day, no one goes to hell blindfolded! you have the right to choose what you believe, you get a second chance every second to change your mind, love is a verb not an emotion. Everyone will die there's a 100% mortality rate and until you can create your own universe you may want to reconsider ...just saying
@muude you obviously want nothing to do with Him, and He has only created two eternal dwelling places, one with Him and one without Him, the choice is yours, what do you have to lose?
@muude The common misconception is that God sends people to Hell. But in fact it is they who reject God and they choose Hell over Heaven unconsciously.
@itssohardtomakeaname, How does this work? I imagine a man building two rooms: the first is a furnace, the second is a massage parlor. I do not want to be in either. He tells me that if I do not love him, accept his rules, and dedicate my life to him, that this will be taken as me choosing the furnace. I have no particular reason to believe a god exists, and I believe Christian morals to be inferior to my own, nor would I want heaven if it was offered. This seems unjust.
@itssohardtomakeaname Well, since there is no proof that God exists, I don't believe in him.. Same reason I don't believe in Santa, Pixies, leprechauns, unicorns or bigfoot.. No proof whatsoever..
If it is my choice then I choose heaven :) But I still dont believe in God..
@muude well since there's no proof of God NOT existing what's keeping you?
The fact that all of santa's toy are "made in China" and that santa was an actual person who was known for his kindness and generosity towards children. Pixies, leprechauns unicorns and bigfoot? yea no shit they're fake....
and the fact that you would choose heaven implies that you semi-consciously approve that there is a God
@itssohardtomakeaname His choice of Heaven does not indicate that he "semi-consciously" believes in God. It simply means that he - like any rational Human being - would choose eternal bliss over eternal suffering.
I realize you Christians are more dense than a black hole, but come on...
@SeedsOfHatred Well it depends on the type of heaven. In my opinions it seemed to me that he was speaking of the Christian heaven. My bad if he wasn't but to just pick and choose parts from religion and to forgo the rest is a bit unsettling.
@itssohardtomakeaname No, my friend, it doesn't "depend on the type of Heaven". Your claim was that his choosing a hypothetical "heaven" - in general - over eternal damnation somehow means that way deep down inside, he believes in God.
@SeedsOfHatred well sure that might have been an overstatement but The fact that he does acknowledge a Heaven, while he may denounce God, where there's a heaven there's God.
@itssohardtomakeaname Haha. No. He aknowledged Heaven in a purely hypothetical manner. This was very clear.
I am an Atheist. I do not believe in either Heaven, nor in Hell. But, if you asked me where I'd rather spend an eternity, I'd tell you "Well duh; in Heaven."
That does not mean that I believe such a place exists. It simply means that I, like any other human being, would prefer a place of eternal bliss over a place of eternal torment. People enjoy happiness. It's human nature.
@itssohardtomakeaname Not necessarily. Hopefully - at the very least - it leaves you no longer believing that those who hypothetically aknowledge Heaven must subconsciously believe in God. It's an argument that I've heard far too many times and it's an incredibly fallacious and desperate one. Theists grabbing at straws to attempt to prove that everyone, way deep down, believes in God. That's simply not the case.
@itssohardtomakeaname Basically you are saying that no matter what a person talks about, they claim that it exists. I can talk about unicorns.. That does not mean that I believe they exist. The only thing it awknowledges is the topic of the conversation, not the truth of its content.
WOW the more i watch the more I realize the christian knows NOTHING of history and even his own religion. I would love to have a debate with this guy. I would shame him in seconds.
If you cant make something from nothing, where did god come from and what did he use to create the universe? REMEMBER yoy cant make something from nothing.
Now, anyone with an education realizes the creationsist knows nothing of the big bang theory because it does not state that something came from nothing. Its so easy to destroy creationists.
@branchbros Yes it is a simple question. One so simple you are either way too stupid to be here or are trolling. Before you comment on videos pertaining to cosmology, evolution, or the big bang maybe you should get an education on the subject because many of us are laughing at you right now.
@sharlyates40 repent for what? ridiculous bronze age sins like looking at a women with lust, or not loving someone who will torture me forever if i dont love him? its not a matter of choice, i cant just believe what i want, i have to feel it, and i cant feel love for something that
a) there is no evidence for
b) will torture me forever unless i do just as he says
c) has glaring moral inacuracies in him that make him the worst fictional character since lord voldemort
You are right, and I am sorry that many Christians are confused about who they are and what God stands for and you shouldnt just believe in something just because, you should actually feel it and you can feel God, I do, i didnt always, i didnt even care about him but He became so real to me that there is no denying who he is, i feel his actual and literal presence and it is the coolest thing ever. This isnt about how God created the world and trying to prove that,
The best example I ever heard of the Father, Son and the Holy spirit being 1 is a clover pedal. It has 3 leafs but is still 1 pedal.
myNifty350 22 hours ago
@myNifty350 Yeah, but that's not proof.
Not that you can prove something that nonsensical, even though the whole "Holy Trinity" bullshit was supposed to.
Cyllid 17 hours ago
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@myNifty350 Yeah, but that's not proof.
Not that you can prove something that nonsensical, even though the whole "Holy Trinity" bullshit was supposed to.
Cyllid 17 hours ago
god was created by man, get over it. Now something that is a fact- the guy in the black shirt is Hot!
dandesoliel123 1 day ago
@MrZpurd you are very knowledgable, Im a devout Christian and you are presenting great information I didnt know. Also the piedes(idk spelling) galaxy in old test. was said to have 7 stars, and when the bible was translated into english they thought it it was strange bc every1 thought there were only 6. Many years later they found the 7th star only visable with a telescope
stephaniemariescott 1 day ago
@stephaniemariescott Really, I guess that prove your bible then. Knowledge about stars have been known thousands of years before the a single word of the bible was written. What do you do with, let's say, Leviticus 11 then? How about all the species of animals fitting in one boat? Fact of the matter is, the bible contain no knowledge that the bronze age people didn't already know. If it were inspired by god, then, it should at least contain something about germ theory or n antiobiotic
petion2010 1 day ago
The man preaching SHOULD HAVE answered the man's question right then and there. He is there to bring people to the Lord, he should have stopped and taken time for that man.
joybird5 3 days ago
Glad to see there can be a conversaition like this without someone yelling or going into some kind of crazed anger stomp.
TrueZMan 4 days ago 5
Wow guy if one person wants to ask you questions about God you answer them quit being selfish.
Kokobuttah 1 week ago
@branchbros How many times since the bible was written have we seen talking animals? Sticks turning into snakes? Things just morphing into other things? People rising from the dead? Virgin births? Seas being split in two? And I could go on.. How many times? That period was known for making a lot of shit up and the bible is just a collection from older religions.. Funny how that doesnt happen any more now we have science..
muude 1 week ago 6
@muude Uh, ever heard of the parrot.....boom.
MrZpurd 5 days ago
@MrZpurd Haha :p I kinda got pwned on that one :)
Parrots can however only imitate human language.. They can only repeat words they have heard and in the same context. They are not able to structure sentences other than that, and they are not able to carry out a conversation unless the entire conversation has been taught.. So not really the same situation as in the bible :)
muude 5 days ago
@muude LOL ya i was bein sarcastic. But i do find it interesting that chariot parts have been found on the floor of the red sea that date back to the time of moses. Though some people dismiss this as untrue, the pictures look entirely real. And i find it way more plausible than human sculpted "missing links". As far as not seeing anymore resurrections or virgin births, that was done to establish a savior for mankind. So I dont see why that would happen again.
MrZpurd 4 days ago
@MrZpurd About the dude who found the chariot parts.. He was a bible treasure hunter and clai to have found several of the most famous incidents.. In this case it is talk of a natural "bridge" that made the sea shallow enough to cross at one point.
Even IF it was the place where loads of people were taken into the sea, it could have been something as simple as Moses going over first and the when they followed, the tide would rise and the others would drown.. So no sea was SPLIT like it said..
muude 4 days ago
@muude Not IF but when. It was stated that there were walls of water on both sides.... doesn't sound like low and high tide to me. Really? how many eight spoked wheel figures have you seen under water. And what about the metallic finds? And yes im familiar with the man who discovered them, along with the anchor stones spread across the land. The ark is iffy but denying the evidence would make you very hypocritical to acknowledge some of the bogus findings that evolution supports.
MrZpurd 3 days ago
@MrZpurd I have to admit that my experiences with diving are fairly limited, so I have not been diving with the specific purpose of finding anything in particular. Remember that the person who said that she saw that everywhere but just turned out to be coral formations was the mans wife.
And for some reason it is not allowed to dive in that location any more, so the only evidence for it, are a couple of low grade pictures which could just as easily be faked.
muude 3 days ago
@MrZpurd I have not looked at any evidence for the arc, so please push me in the right direction for this - but do you seriously believe that story happened?
And what bogus evidence are you claiming I accept?
muude 3 days ago
@muude Yea same guy... Ron Wyatt, it was like in the 70's I think. The dimensions of the structure matched the bible and there were animal feces and iron rivets that dated back to the correct time frame, found around the location that the bible states. It could be any boat i guess but that would be a crazy coincidence. I'm just searching for truth like everybody else. To claim that one knows that they have the right answers is bizarre to me. Thats why I find evolution to be so arrogant.
MrZpurd 2 days ago
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@muude Yea same guy... Ron Wyatt, it was like in the 70's I think. The dimensions of the structure matched the bible and there were animal feces and iron rivets that dated back to the correct time frame, found around the location that the bible states. It could be any boat i guess but that would be a crazy coincidence. I'm just searching for truth like everybody else. To claim that one knows that they have the right answers is bizarre to me. Thats why I find evolution to be so arrogant.
MrZpurd 2 days ago
@muude As far as bogus evidence... Lucy for one, A 40% skeleton found and the rest imagined by human imagination? The fact that there is no legit beginning story other that something exploded from nothing. Which takes faith to believe in my opinion, not science. The crafted "missing links" that were then discovered to be fakes. The inaccuracies with carbon dating..... I just feel like they are going to the extents of lying to push a theory.
MrZpurd 2 days ago
@MrZpurd So you are saying that because a few con-men tried to get attention, evolution is not credible? How do you think some of these people god busted? By science or by religion?
We can do a little experiment - you try finding as many con men who have used evolution to get ahead and I will make a list of religious people.. Who do you think will have the most on their list?
No one is saying that before the "big bang" there was nothing. Cosmologists pretty much agree that there was something.
muude 2 days ago
@muude No i totally agree with you about people using religion to corrupt people. Take any big name televised super church. But in my opinion you would have to be extremely gullible to accept these fakes as truth. I just dont see how sharing some of the same biological makeup can prove that we changed from specie to specie. Since no one has ever witnessed it, it would seem to be more plausible for a common designer. Your right saying "we dont know", its far to complex for any human to fathom.
MrZpurd 1 day ago
@MrZpurd I would be gullible to believe that the universe is based on the physical laws we can demonstrate today.. But you believe that there is an invisible creature in the sky that can hear 6 billion people thoughts at the same time and that he actually cares about all of them.. In addition to this, he also has to entertain the people that have come to his heaven..
Then we can add, talking animals, etc.
Am I being gullible? REALLY?
We have witnessed evolution :) Have you witnessed God?
muude 1 day ago
@MrZpurd And wtf.. Saying "we don't know" is to complex to fathom? I do not and will never pretend to know everything in the world. But making shit up and saying "God did it" does not make it true..
muude 1 day ago
@MrZpurd Inaccuracies? The good thing about science is that when we learn something new, we can change what we previously believed to be true.. We don't stick to a 2000 year old book and claim that it cannot be false.
So what you're saying is "I have never heard of something coming out of nothing, therefore God".. No.. Even if something did come out of nothing, that does not prove God.. The correct answer is "we don't know"..
muude 2 days ago
@MrZpurd "The crafted "missing links" that were then discovered to be fakes." but all the real found extinct fossils, and witnessed evolutionary processes.
SOAS007 9 hours ago
@MrZpurd But the dude's wife who went diving with him also said that if you go down there and look for chariot parts, everything seemed to look that way.. You can spot a ton of formations in the coral and the human mind can pretty much see what it wants to see.. Similar to when you can see patterns and shapes in clouds..
muude 4 days ago
@MrZpurd In Saudia Arabia is Mt. Sinai where God gave Moses the Ten Commandments. The top of this mountain to this day is black from where God came down in fire and gave Moses the commandments. You can't travel to Saudia Arabia without invitation or for work or school.
Skyheartstar777 3 days ago
@Skyheartstar777 Yes and that, but it seems that if any evidence is brought forward today that supports the bible or creation, it is looked at as a joke. Theorists only care about the findings that support their idea..... Yet we are the ones who need to have an open mind?
MrZpurd 2 days ago
@muude oh my God... I started to reply and then realized it was you Muude!!! hahahaha, are we just going to all the same suggested videos? Haha, I've already had an extensive enough conversation with you I think we both shared alot, so I'm just gonna say guys, check out Muude's channel! He swings fire sticks around and it's really cool! Have a good one man.
Symphonious7 5 days ago
@Symphonious7 Haha :p Those are the only two videos Im commenting on, so don't worry ;)
And thanx :p
muude 5 days ago
@muude COMPLETELY agree with you
killingspreemaster 3 days ago
@branchbros I dont claim that it happened one way or the other.. So I dont know.. And I am fine with that.. Well I can agree that some of the events happened and that this and that person was king og that time.. Fine with me.. But that does not prove that anytHing supernatural happened.. Just people tellimg stories.. You are usimg God of the Gaps.. I dont know how it all started, therefore God exists..
muude 1 week ago
Paley's Watchmaker argument was used in the beginning.
Sadly, God can transcend infinity but the universe can not.
acoti 1 week ago
@branchbros It is written in the bronze age and claims talking animals, walking dead people and other supernatural claims.. Why would I believe it? And you still dont understand where the burden of proof is.. You say it is true - prove it..
muude 1 week ago
@muude If you claim the universe happened from an explosion with pre-existing particles for no reason and with an unknown cause, isn't that being a bit supernatural since we don't see that happening? Jeremiah prophecies that the Messiah will be crucified when he didn't even know what crucifixion was (it was invented roughly 300-400 years after he prophesied it.) Ancient historians like Thallus, Josephus, Pliny, Tacitus, they all confirm events that happened in the Bible.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Great.. Now you just need to prove that the bible is true if you start quotimg that for evidence..
muude 1 week ago
@muude Why wouldn't you believe what the Bible says? Why are you discounting it as evidence? In Jeremiah, it states the the world is spherical in a time when everyone thought the earth was flat. It mentions cities, people, countries, empires, and so much more. No archaeological evidence has been found to disprove the Bible, so why write it off so quickly?
branchbros 1 week ago
@Jaybleezy707
If God has existed forever, and is able to do so because time doesn't exist outside of the universe then you require no creator for either, not just God.
A timeless space with a God in it is no different from a timeless space with an encapsulated universe in it. Both would be exempt from needing to be created since they would have always existed.
The claim makes God a viable creator of the universe while at the same time making the role unnecessary. ヽ(^。^)ノ
ProfessorExpert 1 week ago
@Suge212 Total energy of the universe could well be Zero. No Physical law would be broken by it's spontaneous creation, if that were the case. Look it up.
ProfessorExpert 1 week ago
Mohammed died and was burried. Jesus Christ not there He has risen!
LadyD1979 1 week ago
God of Islam, distant God with many Names, revelation of Quran given by an angel in which resembles more like a demonic possesion.Calls upon the destruction of the infidels. God of the Bible, Love, grace gave His only Son to die for our sins. Revelation given by the Spirit of God on yielded vessels. Says love your enemies!
LadyD1979 1 week ago
I see no physical evidence for the existence of a God of Gods therefore I do not believe in the existence of one
dakerson1234 1 week ago
You don't get something from nothing, where did god come from.
Proudnoob8210 1 week ago
The easiest way to get to point A to point B its the shortest one.DIRECTLY.
So the easiest of explanations are the best one's.
Those who deny the very existence of God,do so cause deep in their hearts they themselves know they do not belong to God to begin with.
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 week ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA The easiest explanation is the best one? :p So to answer all questions - "God did it" :p
Those who deny the existence of God actually think about if he is real or not and don't just accept the crap people tell you.. It's called thinking by yourself ;)
muude 1 week ago
@muude Who's preventing you for thinking for yourself?
TOLTECAAZTECA 1 week ago
@TOLTECAAZTECA You said to accept the easiest explanation? :) What if that is not the correct one?
Like if someone told me that a God created everything.. Well.. Okay..
But why should I believe that if it isn't true? However it would be the easiest answer instead of doing aaaaall that research into science and how stuff actually works..
muude 1 week ago
@branchbros Morals are not objective.. You can punish a rapist based on the laws of a country.. These are commonly agreed upon through the.governing authority.. So if rape is illegal, the rapist wouæd be punished if caught.. You cannot say God or objective morals are created by him by saying it is shown through his creations.. God exists because of.God - crappy argument..
muude 1 week ago
@muude I'd really appreciate it if you'd let me make my argument instead of you making it for me. Your confusing two different points here: there's God's existence through creation and the need of a higher power to establish objective right and wrong. But apparently, according to you, the laws determine right and wrong. So Hitler was acceptable in what he did.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Well, then please make your argument.
Hitler was accepted in Germany where he lived. And where he made the laws. Some today agree with him and some dont.. That is why it is SUBJECTIVE..
Why is rape a bad thing? (just to make it obvious, I think that rape is a bad thing)
muude 1 week ago
@muude Great. So what muude believes is that Hitler was acceptable in what he did. I'm glad we cleared that up.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros You ignorant fuck..
I said that Hitler was accepted in his country by some of the people.. I do not live in Germany and I do not agree with his actions..
So please make your argument for your case.. And please answer why rape is immoral..
muude 1 week ago
@muude But by your definition, it was subjectively right for Hitler to do what he did, so he's not technically wrong, THEREFORE you may not agree with what he did, but that doesn't make him wrong (according to you.) Rape is immoral because God says so. In the Bible, God never says it is okay to rape. He may say that judgement may come upon you because of your actions, but He never says that rape is a good thing - which, according to you, can be a good thing to someone who believes in it.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros So he may judge people to be raped, but he does not approve it?
The same with slavery - he may set guidelines on how to treat slaves, but it is still a bad thing?
I am not saying that I feel it is a good thing when people do bad things.. I am saying that THEY feel that it is a a good thing / not a bad thing..
muude 1 week ago
@muude He doesn't judge them TO be raped, but that evil things will happen (not by God, but by the absence of God) because they've done evil things.
The sorry part of history is that slavery was acceptable back then. It was the norm of the ancient world, like bikinis for women today would be abhorable to the ancient world. But that doesn't make them wrong
And because they believe it is right, it is their right to believe it's right and not be wrrong, right?
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros I think I have to get your definition of what the bible is then, because I was under the impression that the bible was devinely inspired as the words and actions of God..
So if I can find a place in the bible where it says "God commanded" or "God told bla bla to do this" or "God said to" then you would agree that it is commanded by God?
Because they believe it is right, it is their right to believe it? Erm.. YES.. People are free to believe whatever they want.. Freedom of thought?
muude 1 week ago
@muude But if they think that child porn is right and they do it, who's to stop that person from using your son or daughter for that purpose? If they are free to a subjective morality, then there is no wrong.
If you found a place in the Bible where God says it's righteous to rape, murder, or whatever and show me that God ordained it, I would be really impressed.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros
The.. Law.. You.. Ignorant.. Bigot.. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW..
And some people DO those things.. And get punished by the law...
If God truly had installered a moral code in all of us, THAT would not happen.. Neither would murder, rape or whatever you claim he is against..
I still need your definition of what the bible actually is..
muude 1 week ago
@muude If it WAS legal, if we go to Thailand, where it's legal, IS IT OKAY? If you rely on the laws, then Hitler was okay. I never once said that God puts a moral code in us, rather, He sets the standard, shows us what right and wrong are, and gifts us with free will to make our own decisions. Whether we follow Him or not reflects our devotion to our Creator. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God written by God through man, and we can still keep this civilized, please stop the namecalling
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros No, sex with children is NOT legal in Thailand, nor anywhere else in the world I know of..
I really would like to keep it civilised if you actually paid attention to what I write and don't twist my words.
So what is in the Bible is the reflection of God's opinion, feelings, etc?
So where is this standard that he sets?
muude 1 week ago
@muude Child PORN is legal in Thailand. I'm not twistiing your words! You say it is subjective, but that defeats the purpose of right and wrong. If it's up to the laws, then Hitler was okay, if it were up to the individual, then child porn is acceptable to someone who believes in it. The standard God sets is the Ten Commandments. We cannot live up to that perfect standard so we all deserve to be punished. But Jesus stepped in and paid our fine so we wouldn't have to be punished.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Find me a link where it says child porn is legal in Thailand..
It defeats the purpose? What is the purpose?
It is not up to the individual to decide on the laws. It is up to the individual what they think about them and can then choose to obey them or not and face the consequences.
Then ten commandments? Three are signs of a jealous God, three are laws in most countries (stealing, killing and lying in court). Take a day off should be a law? Two are between a man and his wife?
muude 1 week ago
@muude God is a jealous God. Exodus 4 says that. But he deserves all your worship and devotion so why would he not? He said the Sabbath was holy, so what's your questrion? And you honor your father and mother, but if they are not taking care of you as the Bible says. It doesn't say, "Honor the sperm donor and egg recipient." But honor the people who become your mother and father, the ones who take care of you.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Why would he deserve all my worship? And why is the sabbath holy?
So what if no one takes care of me except for my biological father and mother? And they still abuse me?
And again.. Why would any of this matter as long as you can't prove his existence?
And have you found anything on Thai laws on that subject?
muude 1 week ago
@muude The Sabbath is the seventh day that God rested on, thus he declared it holy. If they abuse you, they're not your father and mother, but that neighbor or other family member or anyone else who fulfills the fatherly and motherly role deserves your honor.
Romans 1:20 says, "For in the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Creation testifies
branchbros 1 week ago
@muude to the Creator.
And I tried posting the link, but it won't let me. A quick Google search would fix that.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros And finally.. Respect your mother and father.. Yes.. If they deserve the respect.. If your father other mother beats you senseless every day, should you go to hell for not respecting them?
muude 1 week ago
Jesus was the greatest con man that ever lived, he gave a bunch of ignorant peasants a purpose in life and a false explanation of why we are here. Those people didn't have any alternatives and they desperately wanted answers. We believe whatever bullshit answer we are given until a better one comes along, but too much time passed between the creation of religion and the major discoveries of science. Too many generations were fed religion as fact, and the cycle is now breaking : )
rsmith1240 1 week ago
I believe in God but honestly this guy sucks!
MrEseGuero 1 week ago
@MrEseGuero "I believe in God" which god?
SOAS007 1 week ago
@SOAS007 Don't worry about it
MrEseGuero 1 week ago
one is an athiest, the other is a closet athiest.
RobeonMew02 1 week ago
A book maker ?????
lordclaude678 1 week ago
wow, ray comfort's argument strikes again. terrible argument BTW
okashi6 1 week ago
@mfitz19 Wow.. You admit that you are a slave to something that cannpt be proven.. Well, good luck with that :)
muude 1 week ago
funny how people who dont know the Lord and deny Him seem to know so much about Him, and so difinitively. you have never sought the Lord yet you know for a fact He doesnt exist. you have never seriously looked for Him, yet you have all the answers, then, you just resort to name calling. you cant say you were a Christian when you were younger and now your not, you never were. Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship with the Lord. you will never know Him if you dont look for Him.
mfitz19 1 week ago
@branchbros But he also state the HE will do those things to that tribe.. And if you say it didnt happen, that would make God a liar and he would have to go to hell.. Or the bible is just a lie.. Yes, in my mind rape is always wrong.. Even when commanded by your invisible friend in the sky
muude 1 week ago
@muude Of course all those things happened, Benjamin was nearly wiped out. But God works through His people. But I am a Christian, and as such, I am not bound by the Law because it was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. The Law was never put in place to be a human standard, it was to show that we we can't live to God's standard. And according to you, it doesn't matter if you believe rape is wrong; if I believe it's right, then I'm not necessarily wrong, Show me the logic in that plz
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros So killing and raping is acceptable in war? Is that your conclusion? Or only when God says it?
God works through his people? So when we hear of all the priests that molest young boys, that is actually God. He sounds lovely..
If I believe rape is wrong, then it is wrong in my mind no matter what anyone else says. If you do not believe it is wrong, then you do not believe it is wrong.. However it is against what is generally accepted through law, and hene it is illegal..
muude 1 week ago
@muude God never says that raping and killing is okay to do. He says is that it will happen because you have turned away and judgement must pass. Sin is not ordained by God; if a priest molests a boy, it is purely from his sinful nature (but Catholics do not adhere to the Bible anyhow.) But according to you, it doesn't matter because if a priest thought that is was acceptable to molest a child, there's nothing wrong, even if it were legal. And by your own logic, the Holocaust was okay too
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros But god does condone rape in that version.. He says that HE will bring evil and take their wives .. Or are you saying the bible is wrong? And you obviously dont understand what morals are.. Morals are an opinion on a subject, and as such, people can disagree..
muude 1 week ago
@muude Of course the Bible isn't wrong. He doesn't physically do it, but he lets his enemies know that the future misfortunate events are because they disobeyed Him. And clearly you don't know what morals are. Morals, by definition, are, "The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct." And even if we were to agree to disagree about morality, what's to stop me from doing what I think is right and good if it is just YOUR opinion?
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros The misfortunate events? He commands that this will happen and that HE will bring the evil.. Why would he use the word "I" if we was not talking of himself? Are you saying that God is gramatically ignorant?
Well then apparently we just disagree where the standards come from.
Nothing is to stop you from you doing what you think is morally right or wrong? You can do whatever you want - you just have to face the consequences of your actions.. What is stopping you in YOUR opinion?
muude 1 week ago
@muude Put it this way: if you kill someone or rape someone, do you deserve justice? You have to realize the people of Israel were extremely wicked in these times. But you know if right and wrong is subjective then justice is as well. And if it is subjective, who gets to say what the consequences are? If I am doing good in my eyes, there's no need for a punishment!
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros So did the people of Israel say that they would do those things ? Or did God ?
All you are saying is that the bible is written by the men of that time, and that the words are not the words of a God, but of MAN..
Do I have to explain the thing about ones own moral and then the laws of a country AGAIN?
The country you live in are to say what the consequences are.. If you want to live in a certain country you have to obey those laws. So you have the confines..
muude 1 week ago
@muude I said about them. Scripture is God-breathed and written through man, who God told what to write down. According to that logic, Nazi Germany should not be punished for the Holocaust because the Nazis just followed the laws established by Hitler, who was the government. Should the Holocaust just have happened without any interference because it was lawful? Just because a man-made law says something, it doesn't make it automatically right.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros And the holocaust was not punished by the German state.. Germany chose to attack other countries who the retaliated.. It rarely happens that countries invade another country because of internal "crimes"..
We can both agree that to yours and my moral code, what happened was wrong.. That is why it is OBJECTIVE..
So if God told them to write down "God says bla bla" is it then NOT the word of God?
You're completely avoiding the question..
muude 1 week ago
@muude I'm not completely avoiding the question. It's like me telling you to write something down for me. I wrote it, but it was penned by you. Objective means that there is no opinion, just the absolute that exists. The entire world condemns Hitler and the Nazi party for the Holocaust, because it is objectively wrong to murder. But if morality is based on opinion (subjective) then there's no reason to condmen the Nazi party.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Oh sorry.. I meant to write subjective.. Morals are not universal.. Just as any other emotion is different from person to person..
Morality IS based on opinion.. Why else would people think differently on different things? Why DID Hitler kill all those people if he knew it was wrong?
muude 1 week ago
@muude God sets the standard of good and evil, but you may want to create your own standard of right and wrong, regardless of what is actually right according to the objective standard. Hitler was filled with so much hate towards the Jewish people that he created his own standard of right and wrong regardless of the God given standard . Through this, I'm not necessarily proving my God exists, but that there must be a higher power to create good and evil, thus atheism is illogical.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Thats just nonsense.. God creates the standards but I can also create my own.. That just makes God redundant.. And therefore nothing to say he exists..
And as i quoted before, apparently he condones murder and rape under the right circumstances..
muude 1 week ago
@muude You can create your own, but you wouldn't be, and aren't, following His true standard. It's called idolatry, forming right and wrong and following the standard made by an imperfect being. And do remember, he said those things to David, but the only thing that happened was David losing his unborn son. All the other things were done by the Israelites and not ordered by God to do so.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Wow.. Well you just disproved the need for objective morals.. Thanks for that..
"The only way morals can exist is because of God and he makes them.. You can make your own, but that would not make God happy"
Well, since no God has ever been proven and therefore I don't believe in him, I don't give a fuck..
muude 1 week ago
@muude The false morals you create is idolatry and it goes against the objective standard. You can deny objectivity all you want, but if the choice is left to the individual, you cannot punish a rapist for raping your daughter if he thinks it's the right thing to do. God is revealed through his creation. There is so much evidence for a young Earth and against the Big Bang Theory but people like you close your mind and call names. I'm open to discussion and I hope you are too.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Yes, you can, any rapist that gets caught will go to jail whether they thought it was the right thing to do or not. There is no evidence for a young earth, you are a perfect example of the arrogance of man. You are an animal just like any other animal on the planet, just because you can think on a more complex level (relatively) doesn't mean you're special. Humans just don't have the capacity to understand where the universe came from, why would people 2000 years ago know?
rsmith1240 1 week ago
@rsmith1240 Oh please. You're just proving my point about name-calling, ignorant people who are very closeted in their beliefs. There are plenty of examples; take the moon for instance. the moon is receding from the Earth at a rate that would have placed it too close to the Earth merely four billion years ago, causing instability in its orbit, tidal catastrophes on Earth, and other problems that would have prevented the Earth and the Moon being as they are today.
branchbros 1 week ago
@rsmith1240 And the Big Bang would require time to be infinite but it is not. Think of it as railroad and every trainstop would be a moment in time. One train stop is the exact point in time we are in now and there's another stop five seconds from now. If time were infinite, there would be an infinite amount of stops between now and five seconds from now, thus we'd never reach five seconds later.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros You are thinking of this like a growing decimal, and yeah, that kind of makes sense when comparing time to train stops because it would just keep going and never reach five because there are infinite decimals..... but if you actually think of time being infinite, it means that there is no end nor start, and comparing it to a train is actually just trying to count to five while doing this. 4.1, 4.11, 4.111, 4.11111, but time is not like this.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@branchbros Mostly, time is not counting how many has gone by therefore making it impossible to get somewhere.... time just is. If we went by your logic, it would not matter if time were infinite or not.... we could still never reach five. What you said can actually be viewed as just stating that time just is... time does not need to be counted, it is an idea. We are here, and time does not need the stops, because time just is.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom But that's the point. The illustration shows that time cannot be infinite and must have had a beginning (departure point) and an end (final destination.) I wasn't stating that time was infinite, some other person was. And can you elaborate on the idea of counting please; i've heard the statement before but i didn't really understand. thank you!
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros I meant that what you said kind of defends that time is infinite if i understood it right. I may have the wrong mentality of what you are saying, but how would it be impossible for time to be infinite?
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom Okay, the fact that there is a NOW moment counters the thought of an infinite time. If time was infinite, there would be an infinite amount of points between your last comment and my response, thus we would never have reached it if the "railroad of time" had an infinite amount of NOW stops.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros They idea of infinite time is that there is no end or start.... you are just stating trying to count using every decimal when time again is not like that. Even if time were finite it would still have the stops you are talking about, therefore you have an invalid argument.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom I don't think you're looking at this correctly. If time were a railroad, it would have to have a finite amount of stops in order to reach every stop. If it had an infinite amount of stops, a "now" moment wouldn't be possible five seconds from now, because it had an infinite amount of "nows" in order to reach it. If time WAS finite, it would only have a certain amount of stops to reach five seconds from now, which it does.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros What is this railroad stop shit? I am not talking about infinite amount of stops in time, i am talking about infinite time. Infinite time states that there is no end or start, that is it.... By what you are saying, there are finite stops so.... every second a second goes by.... but what about 1.1 seconds.. how about 1.111111111111? Your argument is invalid because even with your nonsense a finite timeline would have infinite stops.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom If time is infinite, it would have an infinite amount of points yes? Because it would have no beginning and no end and keep going forever. The fact that there is a "now" moment and a "five second from now" moment means that there has to be a finite amount of time between the points.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros There are already infinite points between now and five seconds! Time is just infinite with the idea of infinite time. Your points argument makes no sense.... 1 second is a second later lets say. What is .0000000000000000000000000000000000000 on forever 1 seconds later? Then how do you add on to that to get further and further? Time is not a thing, it is an idea! Seconds are counted by us deciding that after this amount of something living it is 1 second.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom Regardless if we have seconds or not, now is not an idea; now is the current state of being. I only say seconds because that is the measure of distance we created so people can understand the time frame. Now is a physical occurence while time (as it is measured in seconds, minutes, hours) is a mathermatical expression, you're right there.
branchbros 1 week ago
@dolerbom But here's another example: a driver drives around a NASCAR track and for every lap he makes, his son on a tricycyle makes ten on the infield. If the driver goes around for an infinite amount of times (like the proposed infinite timeline) he makes the same amount of laps as his son, though his son is supposed to go around 5 times as much. This shows the illogical sense of phycial infinities. Nothing in the physical world, including time, is infinite.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros You are giving examples that are not time.If the driver is going around infinite times, his son is still ahead of him first of all.... and he will be driving around forever. Time is not a physical thing also. Time is actually just the universe. We created, or made up time to make a calculable way of telling how long things take or when we need to get somewhere.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@branchbros I do not know why you are still stating these things that literally have nothing to do with time, and even the he will do the same laps as his son thing was irrational because infinite never ends, so you can not state he did as many as his son, because he never stops, and his son is ALWAYS AHEAD!
dolerbom 1 week ago
@branchbros Time just is. Time is not actually calculable, we are just here. The idea of infinite time is just there there always was something, and there always will be. Your statement of inbetween 0 and 5 seconds is nothing because time is not math, our time frame as you said is. This is hard to explain o.O
dolerbom 1 week ago
@dolerbom This is very hard to explain because most of this is theoretical. But the fact is time IS calculable because we measure how fast we move around our star and that is one year. A year is longer on Jupiter, but it is still calculable. A day is the distance of one rotation, and so on, and so on.
branchbros 1 week ago
@branchbros Time is not actually math. Our time frame is math. We stated that blah blah something has gone by and made it seconds, same with days, years, etc, and then we made a time frame for that. Time in the universe does not actually exist, we are just here, but the idea that time is infinite back and forward is not math, it is just stating there was always something.
dolerbom 1 week ago
@branchbros I meant to say counting is just an idea'
dolerbom 1 week ago
@rsmith1240 Here's a question: who gets to define what is good and what is bad? What's your take on the origin of morality?
branchbros 1 week ago
Did anyone know that Israeli archeology actually proved that exodus, never happened. I lol when i tell people that.
Shawn21769 1 week ago
if god exists he picks really bad earthly representation.
MultiInternetfreak 1 week ago 18
Well defended. I wonder if he was open minded enough to grasp what was said and go with it.
Maybe he'll be like most and just disbelieve,just as the bible said would happen.
Godexists100 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify im completely open minded, unlike you i might add, if you give me any evidence that supports your point of view then i will change my mind.Stop telling me the story, ive been listening to it since i was 5 years old!!! you havent given me any reason that its any more accurate than snow white and the seven dwarfs!!
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago 12
You will always be fathered by your perspective. God so desperately wants us to know Him in the right way that He sent Jesus to crush anything and everything that was standing in the way of us knowing Him (sin, sickness, disease,evil spirits). Jesus came to paint the right picture of the Father and now He wants to paint that picture through you, but we need to know Him in the right way. The right perspective is this: He was willing to take on our image long before we were willing to take on His.
brittanybearify 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify i love watching my brothers and sisters earn crowns for His glory. keep it up, dont forget, wide is the gate and broad is the path that leads to destruction and MANY will find it, narrow is the gate that leads to life and FEW that find it. He even said that most will not accept His word. we know we only answer for ourselves, we are looking for "Well done good and faithful servant". Keep an eternal mindset sister, keep spreading the word, almost Home
mfitz19 1 week ago
@brittanybearify I havenet been lucky enough to have had one, so its not a question of me knowing he exists and rejecting him, its just that i cant see any reason to accept he exists.
And stop saying vague sentences like 'someday you will understand', its just shows that you cant provide anything on an intellectual level to convince me so you just resort to pretending that there is an answer but your not telling me.
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
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EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
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@brittanybearify But you haveny given me any reason to want a relationship with God and more than with the Spaghetti Monster!!! at least admit you have no reason to believe in God other than its just your faith and 'it's a cool feeling'. you havent responded to any actual evidence ive brought up that dismisses the idea of God, you've just said that you had a personal experience.
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
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EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify The fact is you just WANT those beliefs to be true, so you create these feelings to make yourself feel better. And anyway, how can he change my life without imposing restrictions that you condemn in organised religion?
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
@EuanMan13 Having this conversation with you makes it obvious to me that you don't want to give God a chance in your life, you just want to argue your point which is understandable, this whole time I have have just been asking that if you are really want to know God on a relationship level to seek after it but if that isn't the case, which it seems not to be, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. someday you will understand.
brittanybearify 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify I don't think you get it.. For something to be real you don't "have to give it a chance"..
I don't get water a chance, but damn! It's just there no matter how hardd I try to fight it..
For something to be real it must actually exist outside your mind and wishful thinking..
muude 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify but its not 'fine' if i dont believe in God is it, it means i spend eternity in torment, and even if you say its just seperation from God then apparently thats worse than anything else so the point is moot. In every religion or belief system there has ever been people have always said that they 'feel' or 'sense' their certain deity, ask muslim, hindu etc.
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
y do christians bother with stubborn atheists.evolution is the biggest bullshit i have ever heard in my life.a fish developed lungs now that sounds imaginary.Prophecy proves there is a god,just look at IRAN,SyRia,Russia,Egypt,Catholic Church,Israel becoming a nation,there r witnesses of jesus whose testimonies match the bible.How can u describe the jesus of the bible without having read the bible just based on him appearing to u?
Terceira73 2 weeks ago
@Terceira73 So fish developing lungs sounds imaginary, but a prophecy of a man just existing and designing us is just solid. The meaning of prophecy is a prediction, not a fact. How is israel becoming a nation prove there is a god, witnesses from thousands of years ago aren't really that reliable, since they also thought the world was flat. So if someone said I think I saw keanu reeves, and described a guy who looked similar, BUT WAIT, he hasn't even seen the matrix how is that possible? Plz DIE
caniwatchavidplz 2 weeks ago
@Terceira73 Have you heard of Anabantids? They are a Living intermediary fish. They have what's called a Labyrinth organ. It's a Pre-evolutionary Lung.
Sources: Betta Fish, Gouramis and Other Anabantids or Labyrinth fish. There's a lot of them.
DaiMasters 2 weeks ago
@sharlyates40 no no no, we don send ourselves to hell, you have it completely wrong. The proposition from God is that either we love him with all our hearts, or he rejects us and sends us to hell for ETERNITY. how can i love something that i dont believe in?
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
@brittanybearify but why should i? im afraid we cant reconcile this, your talking about faith, which is belief without a reason, and i think faith is just ridiculous and is no different from gullibility. I was brought up a christian until i was sixteen and i believed he existed, but i only had to spend a few days thinking about it and i realised there is no EVIDENCE, philosophical or historical, to believe in the christian, muslim or judiac god. You only want to believe in him, thats it
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
@EuanMan13
I completely understand you, trust me. Its weird because I was raised "non-Christian" and God gave me personally evidence in my life that He is real and that He loves me. And if you don't want to believe in God that is fine, but if you let Him, He can enter your life and change it. I don't know what kind of "religion" you were brought up in but I believe that religion is the true believer's worst enemy, composed of many rules and lack of love and relationship.
brittanybearify 2 weeks ago
If I say I am a Christian then I desire above all things to be like Christ Who said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"
sharlyates40 2 weeks ago
Even though we are on opposing sides I admire you, you are honorable...may God bless your journey for the Truth
sharlyates40 2 weeks ago
@sharlyates40 So you want your God to bless us atheists - however you believe your loving God will send us to hell and torture us for an eternity?
muude 2 weeks ago
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@muude I guess you will no excuse on judgement day, no one goes to hell blindfolded! you have the right to choose what you believe, you get a second chance every second to change your mind, love is a verb not an emotion. Everyone will die there's a 100% mortality rate and until you can create your own universe you may want to reconsider ...just saying
sharlyates40 2 weeks ago
@muude you obviously want nothing to do with Him, and He has only created two eternal dwelling places, one with Him and one without Him, the choice is yours, what do you have to lose?
sharlyates40 2 weeks ago
@sharlyates40 I am fine wthout :) Si I will just settle for actually dying and seize to exist when I die :)
muude 2 weeks ago
@muude The common misconception is that God sends people to Hell. But in fact it is they who reject God and they choose Hell over Heaven unconsciously.
itssohardtomakeaname 2 weeks ago
@itssohardtomakeaname, How does this work? I imagine a man building two rooms: the first is a furnace, the second is a massage parlor. I do not want to be in either. He tells me that if I do not love him, accept his rules, and dedicate my life to him, that this will be taken as me choosing the furnace. I have no particular reason to believe a god exists, and I believe Christian morals to be inferior to my own, nor would I want heaven if it was offered. This seems unjust.
freetaught 2 weeks ago
@itssohardtomakeaname Well, since there is no proof that God exists, I don't believe in him.. Same reason I don't believe in Santa, Pixies, leprechauns, unicorns or bigfoot.. No proof whatsoever..
If it is my choice then I choose heaven :) But I still dont believe in God..
muude 2 weeks ago
@muude well since there's no proof of God NOT existing what's keeping you?
The fact that all of santa's toy are "made in China" and that santa was an actual person who was known for his kindness and generosity towards children. Pixies, leprechauns unicorns and bigfoot? yea no shit they're fake....
and the fact that you would choose heaven implies that you semi-consciously approve that there is a God
itssohardtomakeaname 2 weeks ago
@itssohardtomakeaname There is no proof that Allah does not exist, what is keeping you? Or the Thor? Or Zeus?
Would you say the default position is to believe in any supernatural claim presented?
You said I could choose between going to hell or heaven? How does that make ME imply that one exists?
muude 2 weeks ago
@itssohardtomakeaname His choice of Heaven does not indicate that he "semi-consciously" believes in God. It simply means that he - like any rational Human being - would choose eternal bliss over eternal suffering.
I realize you Christians are more dense than a black hole, but come on...
SeedsOfHatred 2 weeks ago
@SeedsOfHatred Well it depends on the type of heaven. In my opinions it seemed to me that he was speaking of the Christian heaven. My bad if he wasn't but to just pick and choose parts from religion and to forgo the rest is a bit unsettling.
itssohardtomakeaname 1 week ago
@itssohardtomakeaname No, my friend, it doesn't "depend on the type of Heaven". Your claim was that his choosing a hypothetical "heaven" - in general - over eternal damnation somehow means that way deep down inside, he believes in God.
That is false.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@SeedsOfHatred well sure that might have been an overstatement but The fact that he does acknowledge a Heaven, while he may denounce God, where there's a heaven there's God.
itssohardtomakeaname 1 week ago
@itssohardtomakeaname Haha. No. He aknowledged Heaven in a purely hypothetical manner. This was very clear.
I am an Atheist. I do not believe in either Heaven, nor in Hell. But, if you asked me where I'd rather spend an eternity, I'd tell you "Well duh; in Heaven."
That does not mean that I believe such a place exists. It simply means that I, like any other human being, would prefer a place of eternal bliss over a place of eternal torment. People enjoy happiness. It's human nature.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@SeedsOfHatred then with this concluded it leaves us no where doesn't it...
itssohardtomakeaname 1 week ago
@itssohardtomakeaname Not necessarily. Hopefully - at the very least - it leaves you no longer believing that those who hypothetically aknowledge Heaven must subconsciously believe in God. It's an argument that I've heard far too many times and it's an incredibly fallacious and desperate one. Theists grabbing at straws to attempt to prove that everyone, way deep down, believes in God. That's simply not the case.
SeedsOfHatred 1 week ago
@itssohardtomakeaname Basically you are saying that no matter what a person talks about, they claim that it exists. I can talk about unicorns.. That does not mean that I believe they exist. The only thing it awknowledges is the topic of the conversation, not the truth of its content.
muude 1 week ago
WOW the more i watch the more I realize the christian knows NOTHING of history and even his own religion. I would love to have a debate with this guy. I would shame him in seconds.
Crosisborg 2 weeks ago
If you cant make something from nothing, where did god come from and what did he use to create the universe? REMEMBER yoy cant make something from nothing.
Now, anyone with an education realizes the creationsist knows nothing of the big bang theory because it does not state that something came from nothing. Its so easy to destroy creationists.
Crosisborg 2 weeks ago
@Crosisborg So has time and the universe always existed?
branchbros 2 weeks ago
@branchbros nope :)
therefiningfire 2 weeks ago
@therefiningfire Sorry bro, I can't tell which comment you're replying to. You mind helping me out? Thanks dude!
branchbros 2 weeks ago
@branchbros If you have to ask such a question then you lack the intelligence to discuss this topic.
Crosisborg 2 weeks ago
@Crosisborg It's a simple question dude. Yes or no?
branchbros 2 weeks ago
@branchbros Yes it is a simple question. One so simple you are either way too stupid to be here or are trolling. Before you comment on videos pertaining to cosmology, evolution, or the big bang maybe you should get an education on the subject because many of us are laughing at you right now.
Crosisborg 2 weeks ago
@Crosisborg The fact that you have not answered the question is starting to make me wonder if you have an education yourself. :)
branchbros 2 weeks ago
@sharlyates40 repent for what? ridiculous bronze age sins like looking at a women with lust, or not loving someone who will torture me forever if i dont love him? its not a matter of choice, i cant just believe what i want, i have to feel it, and i cant feel love for something that
a) there is no evidence for
b) will torture me forever unless i do just as he says
c) has glaring moral inacuracies in him that make him the worst fictional character since lord voldemort
EuanMan13 2 weeks ago
@EuanMan13
You are right, and I am sorry that many Christians are confused about who they are and what God stands for and you shouldnt just believe in something just because, you should actually feel it and you can feel God, I do, i didnt always, i didnt even care about him but He became so real to me that there is no denying who he is, i feel his actual and literal presence and it is the coolest thing ever. This isnt about how God created the world and trying to prove that,
brittanybearify 2 weeks ago