You have to shake your head at the DURAN haters, He was at lightweight GOAT at lightweight Maybe joe gans, ike williams, or chavez couldve taken him Maybe. And Buchanan was a slick excellent boxer & Dejesus was a badass in his own right
I'm from Panama but great respect for Boricuas great humble people like baseball player Roberto Clemente, de Jesus, Benitez, Ricky Martin ect, love you all, my respect for all BORICUAS!!!!!!!!
Actually,..tho Duran's record going into the fight was damn near perfect, 72-1, he went into th is fight a 3-1 UNDERDOG!!,..THANKS TO THE AMERICAN PRESS. IT baffles me to t his day, cuz Leonard was bigger, supposedly stronger, n faster,..and boxing's newest darling,...lol. This was Duran 's chance to show the world, and he knew it, and hated the american press for not giving him h is due.
Agreed. Duran had been the champion all those years. He had earned respect and fought his way to the top the same way the old school fighters did. Leonard by comparision was handed big purses, not that he wasnt a great fighter himself but he didnt have to work his way to the top the way Duran did.
@AlexisArguell very true, Leonard is a first ballot hall of famer (obviously) but he's still not as great as Hagler, Hearns, or especially Duran. You know what I liken it too? Erik Morales, Morales could've been Leonard if he wanted to, he could've outboxed Barrera and probably Pacman too, but he didn't want to, if Leonard had fought his whole career like he did in the first Duran fight, I would love him, but he decided he'd rather win than be great/entertain. Morales made the opposite choice
even though duran lost the second fight.he eventually whipped the junior middle weights world champions ass davey moore and world middle weight champoin ivan barkley.,the destroyer of tommy hearns.esteban de jesus beat duran in their first fight in the early 1970s.they had three fights i believe.
duran was an incredible fighter,as a lightweight he was hands of stone.when he fought sugar ray leonard for the first time,he was the smaller,older man with less reach and he beat sugar ray leonard with heart.when he won he celebrated to much,with food,women and and just plain old rest.sugar ray leonard offered him the second fight 4 months later catching duran by surprise and out of shape.
Duran`s lifestyle caught up to him. He got away with it for many years. Gaining weight and losing weight in a short period of time. He was about 30 his body said Enough.
This might be Duran`s finest fight in a pure boxing sense. He showed great boxing skills and patience and I believe he was the best he ever was in the ring this night.
The greatest. very funny to hear duran talk about his very early street fighting days he would always take the guy down and pound him out- he was a great wrestler- he said he had to learn how to box- probably took 5 min. As far as leonard 1 every time ray tried to box duran would out quick him and land solid blows amazing stuff-go back and look- duran was the best and LEONARD FREELY ADMITS much to his credit.
look at duran, how amazing he look in this fight, boxing ,etc... and a year later after this fight he went up on weigh n. won the welter w. title agains sugar ray leonard thats why people respect this man and everything he did for boxing
Duran clearly outboxed and outmuscled Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal and despite Leonards protestations about the decisionover the years, I think Duran won by Five clear rounds!
Leonard was at his best. Watch his fights against Davey Boy Green and Wilfred Benitez which were before he faced Duran.
Leonard went onto knock Hearns out just a year after losing to Duran. I doubt he suddenly turned from being "green" to being in his prime in 12 months...
The absolute fact is this: if Leonard fights Duran in the first fight by moving and sticking, just like he did in the second fight, he wins easily. But he wanted to stand toe to toe in the first fight-and paid the price. He let Duran fight EXACTLY as he wished....it was pure stupidity.
yeah but in da rematch leonard made him quit!! no mas he quit tht shit is ridiculous!leonard beat him up in rematch and i was rooting for duran! benitez kicked durans ass for 15rds!
u bitchass nigga!!! benitez beat da fuck out of duran he even played with da fkin quitter! viruet beat duran in da 1st fight! so shut da fuk up!when it came to el radar benitez beatup duran 4 15rds!
Leonard was the world champion and had just went 15 rounds vs Benitez. He was also the favorite going into that fight.
DeJesus was an excellant lightweight. He had knocked Duran down in both their previous thats why the strategy in their third bout was smart. Duran didnt get wild he used his boxing skills.
You dont have to run around the ring like a clown to have boxing skills. Duran was from the old school. He stood right in the pocket and made him miss and make him pay.
Thank you, ExplosiveThinMan, for making the distinction between "old school" and what came afterwards. Ali, Leonard, and Roy Jones represented the transition to the "new school" definition of boxing skills, which essentially is running. The three I mentioned had one thing in common: they got hit a lot once their speed left them because they failed to learn proper defense.
Duran came forward on Leonard made him miss but was right on top of him with either hand punching. Leonard had the fastest hands in boxing but he had trouble hitting Roberto Duran.
It was one of the great displays of skills in boxing history by Duran. This cemented Duran`s legend. Anything he did after this was icing on the cake.
I agree that fans today confuse boxing with running.
@ExplosiveThinMan Go back to Jack Johnson. Archie Moore once called him a dancing master, but look at the films; he didn't dance at all. He just stood in ring center and batted blows away with ease. I don't see that much anymore.
@Rasclot222 Yes, he did a lot of running. He never learned how to block punches properly, even while on the move. He couldn't block a left hand to save his life (ask Ken Norton and Joe Frazier), and even when he had his legs, he still could be reached by left hooks. Eddie Futch saw by studying Ali that he never held his right hand in the proper position to block a left.
@Rasclot222 I thought so at one time. Since I started watching a lot of the fights posted on YouTube, however, I have changed my mind. Yes, Ali looked phenomenal at times in the 1960s, but save an aging Sonny Liston his opposition wasn't nearly as rugged as what he faced in the 1970s. He looked great against slow, ponderous punchers with little hand speed, but when he faced slightly smaller opponents with decent speed (Doug Jones and Jimmy Young come to mind), it was life and death.
@vidnut67 When he fought Doug Jones, Jones was favorite to win, because Ali was fairly new, and Doug Jones had already been fighting as a hw. Jimmy Young fought the aging Ali. Styles makes fights. Its like the Mariano vs Ali argument, no way a slow short 195 hw would beat Ali. I'm sorry.
@Rasclot222 I never included Marciano in the argument, so I don't see that as relevant. As for Doug Jones, that's the first time I have heard that Jones was favored to beat Ali. If that was so, then explain why Ali took him lightly. Jimmy Young? Age had nothing to do with this one because for once in his career Ali fought someone who made him come forward, and he wasn't the same guy.
@vidnut67 -Ali was pretty much finished as a fighter when he fought Young. Did not really deserve the decision, if Young hadnt ducked his head out of ring a couple times. He could have handled him much better closer to his prime, although Young due to his style, gave a lot of fighters trouble
@loyaldude10 I agree that Ali didn't deserve the decisions against Young and Norton in '76, but whether he could have handled Young much better close to his prime is open to conjecture. Ali had a tough time adapting when a fighter forced him to lead and was able to counter him; he was used to other fighters leading and him countering. This flaw nearly cost him against both Young and Oscar Bonavena six years earlier.
@loyaldude10 I have heard Ali described by some ring observers as the heavyweight Sugar Ray Robinson, but the major difference between the two is that Sugar Ray could lead as effectively as he could counter; he knew how to turn tiger when he needed to, something that Ali needed to do to be effective against Norton (who had a phobia about punchers) but was unable to do.
Ali never really had the power of Robinson. Sugar Ray could KO a guy with one punch from either hand. Ali never really had that ability. Turpin was Robinson`s version of Ken Norton. He was giving him problems stylewise and Ray KOd him.
@ExplosiveThinMan Precisely my point, except that Ali's power was somewhat underrated though not near Robinson's level (he was the only man to knock out Foreman, Wepner, and Bonavena), especially when he sat down on his punches rather than bounce around. Speaking of which, it would have benefited Ali more once he lost his leg speed to concentrate on putting more strength behind the jab in training and in the ring rather than going to the ropes and letting opponents beat him up.
@ExplosiveThinMan Ali had the height and reach to control a fight in the center of the ring, but with the exception of the Foreman fight he seemed to forget about leverage once he came back in 1970. The calcium deposits in his hands that caused pain in a lot of the fights that he had post-1970 may have been a factor, but a lack of ring fundamentals, equally as much as ring rust from the layoff, caught up with Ali by that time, especially when he faced tougher opposition than in the '60s.
@ExplosiveThinMan Ali's salvation was his chin, even more so than his speed. Even in his first career in the 1960s he got hit a lot more than current ring historians and observers care to admit (watch his fights against Jones, Chuvalo, and Mildenberger, to name a few), but his chin saved him even then. Gil Clancy was correct when he said that without Ali's chin, which he called the greatest in heavyweight history, Ali would have been just an average fighter.
Thats true. Once he lost some of his speed in the mid 70s he found out just how good his chin was. After the Foreman fight especially he was like a kid with a new toy. By the late 70s he was laying on the ropes and fighting very lazy and he allowed himself to take punishment. Also in training he took alot of blows because he thought he could get away with it.
@Rasclot222 At least Joe Louis, if he had a subpar evening, learned something from it, rematched his foe, and took him to the cleaners. Ali? Three fights against Norton, and Ali learned nothing; he never convicingly beat him. And can someone explain why Ali never gave Doug Jones a rematch once he won the title?
@vidnut67 As you know styles makes fights, and Ali did learn in the third fight, Ali stopped leaning back from that overhand right, Norton could not land, also Ali did win the third watch again. Doug Jones? You mean the man he beat that was suppose to be his test. Ali would would have smashed him. Joe Louis was great no doubt, but Joe didn't fight fighters like Quarry, Forman, Fraizer hell even Chuvalo.
@Rasclot222 I beg to differ. Norton landed often against Ali in fight three. I don't know what fight you were watching, but Norton was robbed. He won at least nine rounds that night, and the only mistake Norton made was that he didn't fight three minutes in the last round. And it wasn't a matter of styles making fights. Find an account by the late Eddie Futch of Ali's style and look at the films objectively; Ali never learned how to hold his right hand properly to block a left.
@Rasclot222 And on the subject of Louis, if you are going to make an argument that styles make fights, Ali never faced a fighter with the hand speed of Louis on the inside. Chuvalo? The only thing he did right against the top heavyweights was not go down. And my question still remains: Why didn't Ali rematch with Jones when he won the title?
@vidnut67 The more I watch Ali, the more flaws I see such as those mentioned in my post yesterday. On top of that, he wasn't a posterboy for conditioning, especially in his second career. I put Holmes on an even par with him, and both Jack Johnson and Joe Louis ahead of him. Ali was great, no doubt about it, but not the greatest.
@ExplosiveThinMan great assessment; everyone attributes boxing skills with flagrant running & avoidance. Furthermore Duran had some very educated rhythmic feet; a master of aggressive timing & footwork. Absolutely NO wasted or unnecessary movements. He was literally there to produce KO's, break down fighters or temporarily incapacitate adversaries.
does ne body have a mint copy of this fight?? every time ive seen it the pic quality has been poor. wud be great to see duran how he was supposed to be seen!
de Jesus is to Duran as Valdes is to Monzon.
RapedByRepublicans 2 months ago
You have to shake your head at the DURAN haters, He was at lightweight GOAT at lightweight Maybe joe gans, ike williams, or chavez couldve taken him Maybe. And Buchanan was a slick excellent boxer & Dejesus was a badass in his own right
fischparov 4 months ago
I'm from Panama but great respect for Boricuas great humble people like baseball player Roberto Clemente, de Jesus, Benitez, Ricky Martin ect, love you all, my respect for all BORICUAS!!!!!!!!
rickyp4ever 6 months ago
Actually,..tho Duran's record going into the fight was damn near perfect, 72-1, he went into th is fight a 3-1 UNDERDOG!!,..THANKS TO THE AMERICAN PRESS. IT baffles me to t his day, cuz Leonard was bigger, supposedly stronger, n faster,..and boxing's newest darling,...lol. This was Duran 's chance to show the world, and he knew it, and hated the american press for not giving him h is due.
northpoint43m 1 year ago
@northpoint43m
Agreed. Duran had been the champion all those years. He had earned respect and fought his way to the top the same way the old school fighters did. Leonard by comparision was handed big purses, not that he wasnt a great fighter himself but he didnt have to work his way to the top the way Duran did.
ExplosiveThinMan 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan yeah but that was cause he won that gold medal, and dont forget duran had tons of connectons with carlos eletra
theman1819 7 months ago
@AlexisArguell very true, Leonard is a first ballot hall of famer (obviously) but he's still not as great as Hagler, Hearns, or especially Duran. You know what I liken it too? Erik Morales, Morales could've been Leonard if he wanted to, he could've outboxed Barrera and probably Pacman too, but he didn't want to, if Leonard had fought his whole career like he did in the first Duran fight, I would love him, but he decided he'd rather win than be great/entertain. Morales made the opposite choice
RapedByRepublicans 2 months ago
@Smythy7 :)
pnutbutrncrackers 1 year ago
Good round 3. Rounds 1 & 2 nothing too special, IMO. Mainly two bouncing boxers poking at each other.
pnutbutrncrackers 1 year ago
what are they talking about at around 1:15? Slipping on what? I can't effing hear on my computer.
RapedByRepublicans 1 year ago
Duran said once; "the only one who really throws me in the canvas was the Jesus, cuz I was on my prime and in the lightweight division"..
MrOxidizer 1 year ago
Duran is from Panama and De Jesus is from Puerto Rico, non of this fighter are mexican moron
jor01god 2 years ago
@jor01god Correct, but Roberto Duran's dad was a Mexican sailor
stinzo89 1 year ago
yeah these 2 english men can sure fight
battlecruiser100 2 years ago
Man these two mexicans can fight!
Trashfished 2 years ago
gracias for the videos!
PinoyAbnoy 2 years ago
Roberto duan went to Puerto Rico to see dejesus before he ided of AIDS. that says a lot from him, he has a super heart
Gategate100 2 years ago
Duran was a great boxer. Had all the skills. Great jab, could box outside, could box inside, he could brawl, he could counter punch. He had it all.
Armando316 2 years ago 10
@Armando316: Dont forget, Duran also was a great defensive fighter. Remember how he use to "ride" the punches and parry off the punches etc.
jesusneverexisted300 1 year ago
even though duran lost the second fight.he eventually whipped the junior middle weights world champions ass davey moore and world middle weight champoin ivan barkley.,the destroyer of tommy hearns.esteban de jesus beat duran in their first fight in the early 1970s.they had three fights i believe.
mynvjrvideos 2 years ago
Duran was so smart in the ring. He beat those guys with his experiance. He counterpunched both of them to death.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
duran was an incredible fighter,as a lightweight he was hands of stone.when he fought sugar ray leonard for the first time,he was the smaller,older man with less reach and he beat sugar ray leonard with heart.when he won he celebrated to much,with food,women and and just plain old rest.sugar ray leonard offered him the second fight 4 months later catching duran by surprise and out of shape.
mynvjrvideos 2 years ago
Cosign.
Duran`s lifestyle caught up to him. He got away with it for many years. Gaining weight and losing weight in a short period of time. He was about 30 his body said Enough.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
This might be Duran`s finest fight in a pure boxing sense. He showed great boxing skills and patience and I believe he was the best he ever was in the ring this night.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago 2
your right this could of been his greatest showing. No other Lightweight would of stood a chance! No Leonard, No Armstrong.
judaschongo 2 years ago 2
I was fighting as an amateur when Duran came on the scene.
I hated the tenacious little fucker, but when he beat my favorite
welterweight, Ray Leonard, I had to respect him; I thought Sugar was unbeatable.
hartistry1957 2 years ago
pma y puerto rico paises hermanos . rip de jesus .aguante duran
jamecpa10 2 years ago
The greatest. very funny to hear duran talk about his very early street fighting days he would always take the guy down and pound him out- he was a great wrestler- he said he had to learn how to box- probably took 5 min. As far as leonard 1 every time ray tried to box duran would out quick him and land solid blows amazing stuff-go back and look- duran was the best and LEONARD FREELY ADMITS much to his credit.
opjkdg 2 years ago
look at duran, how amazing he look in this fight, boxing ,etc... and a year later after this fight he went up on weigh n. won the welter w. title agains sugar ray leonard thats why people respect this man and everything he did for boxing
jamecpa10 2 years ago
2 legends, I Love It!!! (RIP De Jesus)
kjchuck81 2 years ago 2
Duran clearly outboxed and outmuscled Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal and despite Leonards protestations about the decisionover the years, I think Duran won by Five clear rounds!
jigory 2 years ago
Duran showed his boxing skills in this fight. His knowledge. The way he came out and confused DeJesus who thouhgt he was going to come out blazing.
Duran had great boxing skills.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
duran had discent boxing skills.
tariqziyad 2 years ago
He outboxed DeJesus here and he knocked him out later on.
He also showed his great boxing skills and defense against Ray Leonard in 1980. When he took the crown from him.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Dejesus wasn't that good to be honest, and RAY LEONARD WAS GREEN when he fought Duran the first time
tariqziyad 2 years ago
Leonard was at his best. Watch his fights against Davey Boy Green and Wilfred Benitez which were before he faced Duran.
Leonard went onto knock Hearns out just a year after losing to Duran. I doubt he suddenly turned from being "green" to being in his prime in 12 months...
TheGreatA 2 years ago 2
The absolute fact is this: if Leonard fights Duran in the first fight by moving and sticking, just like he did in the second fight, he wins easily. But he wanted to stand toe to toe in the first fight-and paid the price. He let Duran fight EXACTLY as he wished....it was pure stupidity.
straightblast1 2 years ago
yeah but in da rematch leonard made him quit!! no mas he quit tht shit is ridiculous!leonard beat him up in rematch and i was rooting for duran! benitez kicked durans ass for 15rds!
piritwintwoagain 2 years ago
Leonard didnt really make him quit. He frustrated him and stayed away. Clowned but he hardley landed anything on Duran that night.
There was something wrong with Duran going into that fight. No question about it. He never quit before that or after that.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago 2
I'm Puerto Rican and while Benitez won no doubt, it was a competitive fight IMO.
Armando316 2 years ago
sher up your mouth, mother fucker. Duran was the executioner of puertorricans, viruet brothers, De Jesús, Benny Huertas, etc...
efravi25 2 years ago
u bitchass nigga!!! benitez beat da fuck out of duran he even played with da fkin quitter! viruet beat duran in da 1st fight! so shut da fuk up!when it came to el radar benitez beatup duran 4 15rds!
piritwintwoagain 2 years ago
wow... you're a douche. Learn something about the game - theres a reason so many fighters aspire to be Roberto and few aspire to be Leonard.
jitteryjoe 2 years ago
Leonard was the world champion and had just went 15 rounds vs Benitez. He was also the favorite going into that fight.
DeJesus was an excellant lightweight. He had knocked Duran down in both their previous thats why the strategy in their third bout was smart. Duran didnt get wild he used his boxing skills.
You dont have to run around the ring like a clown to have boxing skills. Duran was from the old school. He stood right in the pocket and made him miss and make him pay.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago 8
Thank you, ExplosiveThinMan, for making the distinction between "old school" and what came afterwards. Ali, Leonard, and Roy Jones represented the transition to the "new school" definition of boxing skills, which essentially is running. The three I mentioned had one thing in common: they got hit a lot once their speed left them because they failed to learn proper defense.
vidnut67 2 years ago
Yes,.
Duran came forward on Leonard made him miss but was right on top of him with either hand punching. Leonard had the fastest hands in boxing but he had trouble hitting Roberto Duran.
It was one of the great displays of skills in boxing history by Duran. This cemented Duran`s legend. Anything he did after this was icing on the cake.
I agree that fans today confuse boxing with running.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
@ExplosiveThinMan Go back to Jack Johnson. Archie Moore once called him a dancing master, but look at the films; he didn't dance at all. He just stood in ring center and batted blows away with ease. I don't see that much anymore.
vidnut67 2 years ago
@vidnut67 Ali did some running? Yeah he ran alright, ran to beat the best there was. PBF runs not ali.
Rasclot222 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 Yes, he did a lot of running. He never learned how to block punches properly, even while on the move. He couldn't block a left hand to save his life (ask Ken Norton and Joe Frazier), and even when he had his legs, he still could be reached by left hooks. Eddie Futch saw by studying Ali that he never held his right hand in the proper position to block a left.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 Is Ali the greatest HW of all time?
Rasclot222 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 I thought so at one time. Since I started watching a lot of the fights posted on YouTube, however, I have changed my mind. Yes, Ali looked phenomenal at times in the 1960s, but save an aging Sonny Liston his opposition wasn't nearly as rugged as what he faced in the 1970s. He looked great against slow, ponderous punchers with little hand speed, but when he faced slightly smaller opponents with decent speed (Doug Jones and Jimmy Young come to mind), it was life and death.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 When he fought Doug Jones, Jones was favorite to win, because Ali was fairly new, and Doug Jones had already been fighting as a hw. Jimmy Young fought the aging Ali. Styles makes fights. Its like the Mariano vs Ali argument, no way a slow short 195 hw would beat Ali. I'm sorry.
Rasclot222 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 I never included Marciano in the argument, so I don't see that as relevant. As for Doug Jones, that's the first time I have heard that Jones was favored to beat Ali. If that was so, then explain why Ali took him lightly. Jimmy Young? Age had nothing to do with this one because for once in his career Ali fought someone who made him come forward, and he wasn't the same guy.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 -Ali was pretty much finished as a fighter when he fought Young. Did not really deserve the decision, if Young hadnt ducked his head out of ring a couple times. He could have handled him much better closer to his prime, although Young due to his style, gave a lot of fighters trouble
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@loyaldude10 I agree that Ali didn't deserve the decisions against Young and Norton in '76, but whether he could have handled Young much better close to his prime is open to conjecture. Ali had a tough time adapting when a fighter forced him to lead and was able to counter him; he was used to other fighters leading and him countering. This flaw nearly cost him against both Young and Oscar Bonavena six years earlier.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@loyaldude10 I have heard Ali described by some ring observers as the heavyweight Sugar Ray Robinson, but the major difference between the two is that Sugar Ray could lead as effectively as he could counter; he knew how to turn tiger when he needed to, something that Ali needed to do to be effective against Norton (who had a phobia about punchers) but was unable to do.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67
Ali never really had the power of Robinson. Sugar Ray could KO a guy with one punch from either hand. Ali never really had that ability. Turpin was Robinson`s version of Ken Norton. He was giving him problems stylewise and Ray KOd him.
ExplosiveThinMan 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan Precisely my point, except that Ali's power was somewhat underrated though not near Robinson's level (he was the only man to knock out Foreman, Wepner, and Bonavena), especially when he sat down on his punches rather than bounce around. Speaking of which, it would have benefited Ali more once he lost his leg speed to concentrate on putting more strength behind the jab in training and in the ring rather than going to the ropes and letting opponents beat him up.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan Ali had the height and reach to control a fight in the center of the ring, but with the exception of the Foreman fight he seemed to forget about leverage once he came back in 1970. The calcium deposits in his hands that caused pain in a lot of the fights that he had post-1970 may have been a factor, but a lack of ring fundamentals, equally as much as ring rust from the layoff, caught up with Ali by that time, especially when he faced tougher opposition than in the '60s.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan Ali's salvation was his chin, even more so than his speed. Even in his first career in the 1960s he got hit a lot more than current ring historians and observers care to admit (watch his fights against Jones, Chuvalo, and Mildenberger, to name a few), but his chin saved him even then. Gil Clancy was correct when he said that without Ali's chin, which he called the greatest in heavyweight history, Ali would have been just an average fighter.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67
Thats true. Once he lost some of his speed in the mid 70s he found out just how good his chin was. After the Foreman fight especially he was like a kid with a new toy. By the late 70s he was laying on the ropes and fighting very lazy and he allowed himself to take punishment. Also in training he took alot of blows because he thought he could get away with it.
ExplosiveThinMan 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 At least Joe Louis, if he had a subpar evening, learned something from it, rematched his foe, and took him to the cleaners. Ali? Three fights against Norton, and Ali learned nothing; he never convicingly beat him. And can someone explain why Ali never gave Doug Jones a rematch once he won the title?
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 As you know styles makes fights, and Ali did learn in the third fight, Ali stopped leaning back from that overhand right, Norton could not land, also Ali did win the third watch again. Doug Jones? You mean the man he beat that was suppose to be his test. Ali would would have smashed him. Joe Louis was great no doubt, but Joe didn't fight fighters like Quarry, Forman, Fraizer hell even Chuvalo.
Rasclot222 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 I beg to differ. Norton landed often against Ali in fight three. I don't know what fight you were watching, but Norton was robbed. He won at least nine rounds that night, and the only mistake Norton made was that he didn't fight three minutes in the last round. And it wasn't a matter of styles making fights. Find an account by the late Eddie Futch of Ali's style and look at the films objectively; Ali never learned how to hold his right hand properly to block a left.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 -Norton clearly won the 3d fight w/ Ali. Not the only time in his career where ali received a gift decision----Doug Jones was another
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@Rasclot222 And on the subject of Louis, if you are going to make an argument that styles make fights, Ali never faced a fighter with the hand speed of Louis on the inside. Chuvalo? The only thing he did right against the top heavyweights was not go down. And my question still remains: Why didn't Ali rematch with Jones when he won the title?
vidnut67 1 year ago
@vidnut67 I don't know why he didn't give doug jones a rematch maybe its because he beat Sonny Liston twice. LOL on your comment about Chuvalo.
Rasclot222 1 year ago
@vidnut67 The more I watch Ali, the more flaws I see such as those mentioned in my post yesterday. On top of that, he wasn't a posterboy for conditioning, especially in his second career. I put Holmes on an even par with him, and both Jack Johnson and Joe Louis ahead of him. Ali was great, no doubt about it, but not the greatest.
vidnut67 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan -actually Duran was favored over leonard in first fight. Oddsmakers proved correct
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@ExplosiveThinMan great assessment; everyone attributes boxing skills with flagrant running & avoidance. Furthermore Duran had some very educated rhythmic feet; a master of aggressive timing & footwork. Absolutely NO wasted or unnecessary movements. He was literally there to produce KO's, break down fighters or temporarily incapacitate adversaries.
judaschongo 1 year ago
at the time this was major fight and it was on tv.
mow1717 3 years ago
does ne body have a mint copy of this fight?? every time ive seen it the pic quality has been poor. wud be great to see duran how he was supposed to be seen!
marvindiggla 3 years ago
DURAN!!!
bigskywolf 3 years ago
What a magical performance from Duran against a worthy opponent who he later honoured and embraced on his death be
set2light 3 years ago