This was the 1985-86 season opener (and the home opener, obviously), and the first time these two teams were playing each other since the Jets knocked off the Flames in the postseason, so emotions were definitely running high that night.
@TheDaleDenton i was thinking the same thing, i'll bet air canada is saying "awrite free publicity" lol, btw calgary fair warning dont try that again!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope if any winnipeg folks get you tube will write me nice comments too i did i blast the city folks either i was kind to yall...hope hear n please this is way i write so u may see comments wrong place when did so try read.....enjoy the season a former fellow who lost 2 NHL teams in same state n city(thank god i not live there) in atlanta Ga!
But from me to people in Winnipeg Many good years n games now and no natter if get bad never stop supportin team...Like we did here from atlanta wonderfull city leaders who did the Local Tv stations which never one time had a reporter there when a game was there for support....Oh we did when was Movin of course...enjoy playoffs too n thank ASG for givin u one too.....Now do us a favor when stanley cup too
Yes winnipeg will have same players too from here but thank god u not get don(teflon)Waddell that best smart moves u owners had.....No 5 year plan are 11year plan there anymore. I give u 5-4 odds u guys make stanley cup playoffs first season there..
I am from Toronto but damn bring back Winnipeg you guys had some awesome players that had no where to go after Winnipeg moved witch was sad you guys could have won a cup the only reason you guys have your team moved was due to the lack of your facility.
@HardcoreGodz I'm a Winnipeger and it's looking real good that we will get Nashville. I only can hope that Quebec gets a team next. You guys deserve it and how awesome would it be to see another Winnipeg vs Quebec game!
lmaoo omg a total of $7600 in fines! that is so much money. I wish gary bettman had the balls to hand out fines that big o wait he did and he ruined hockey.
@GarshardJeVard Sounds good? I'm not saying its happening for sure, but if no one buys the coyotes by the end of december they are making the announcement on whether they are moving or not i think
These where the days! Ill never forget the playoff game where Hawerchuck went after Gretzky, and the Ref let him at it, to the amusement of us fans..lol
its not about if your a pussy or not a lot of goalies in the NHL do skate off and will not remain in the scrumbs. next time see what the goalie do when extra curricular activities happens i can guarentee you that the goalie 99.99 percent that they go for a skate in the corners and come back in when play resumes
I wish the NHL would stop putting teams in cities that don't even know where ice comes from or how to drive on snow. Why do Atlanta , Nashville and Phoenix have teams yet Quebec and Winnipeg don't anymore????
people living in dallas florida anaheim tampa bady los angeles and sanjose etc don't know how to drive on ice either but teams like sanjose for example are big hockey markets :P lol. no i kno what ur sayin tho nobody gives a shit about hockey in phoenix countless millions in losses and a only a few hundred ppl at the rally last year 2 keep em there, don't know why bettman insisted on it but there they remain, that prick. Bring em back to winnipeg where people are dying for an nhl team go jets ha
200 dollar fine is nutting they make a shit load of money even if it was back in like 85 they could give like 10 times that amout to charity and still have a shit load
I was at this game. It was the season opener of the 1985-86 season. The Jets were still upset about Hawerchuk getting his ribs busted in the playoffs the season before, and had been trying to instigate something since the drop of the puck. The Flames won 8-3
@SuperbForm what do you mean...I was a flames fan back then and the jets beat us two years in row in the 1st round of the playoffs...the jets had the flames number in post season.
I would not mind seeing more Canadian teams but can they survive? I mean survive long term. Sure they will be fine for awhile but long term who knows. The Canadian Dollar will become weak once more and will make it very tough on teams. I would like to see a few more Canadian teams but I dont know. Still love my USA hockey!
I've don't remember this one, this would've been in '87/88 I'm guessing. I love watching these clips on youtube. Just reminds me of how hockey was 20+ years ago. I miss that era.
Sadly, as an avid hockey fan and played for 20 years counting, I have no interest in the NHL anymore.
As an Oiler fan I wish you guy's could get your jets back. Canadian hockey rocks! Americans suck, and phoenix should never have a hockey team. Bettman kiss my ass!
@ACE101896 Winnipeg needs 100 of millions and millions. Just move on with your life i live in Winnipeg and I getting tired of this daydreaming idea. Thats what I get for living in "Friendly Manitoba" empty promises and abusive Natives.
@ACE101896 i would love to see it dude.i live nowhere near Winnipeg.PGH is a long way from Manitoba,but as a hockey fan that's def a city that deserves to get a team back.Along with Quebec.The Nhl should take either the panthers,predators,or thrashers and move them to Winnipeg and Quebec.Actually they should move all 3 and give Hartford a team too.Atlanta,Nashville,and Miami suck for the Nhl!!!!
@xgTfox Columbus is actually a decent hockey city,at least when the pens are playing there.I only said Nashville bc they were having financial issues a while back.
somebody gave me a thumbs down, why youd rather see the league struggle in weak markets then flourish in a great hockey market like canada? or see lame skaters like cindy crosby skate around doing figure eights and triple axles?
wish they would let the benches clear in the NHL again.Bettmans league sux, ratings are terrible, too many teams in poor markets, why is there hockey in phoenix and not winnepeg?that move sure proved fruitful!!!! the league sux now, there ruining the greatest game on earth.
Haha seeing those mere fines today would be impossible, now that Shanaban is disciplinary commisioner
NewYorkFan1994SRHS 3 weeks ago
thumbs up if ur watchin this in 2011
JasonJR987 1 month ago
Go Flames Go!
EBNighttRain 1 month ago
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The good ole days
austinharrison 1 month ago
whoever thinks the Jets suck should stfu.
NewYorkFan1994SRHS 1 month ago
@NewYorkFan1994SRHS The Jets Suck!! Go Flames Go!!
EBNighttRain 1 month ago
Who cares if the Jets suck, I'm just pleased they're back in action!!
MrBrownstone8881 3 months ago
Jets fucking suck..
ArmTriangleChoke 3 months ago
the jets lost by blackhawck blackwack scored 6 and jets 2
aljabab1 3 months ago
go jets take off for ever! Greetings from germany
Lucasreinhard1995 4 months ago
The fines are pretty steep..... :)
FreshPez 4 months ago
w000000000000000t
SinsAMaticProduction 5 months ago
who won the game?
BanzaiBazooka 5 months ago
@BanzaiBazooka Calgary won, 8-3.
This was the 1985-86 season opener (and the home opener, obviously), and the first time these two teams were playing each other since the Jets knocked off the Flames in the postseason, so emotions were definitely running high that night.
Tubewings 4 months ago
The new Jets logo was inspired by the Royal Canadian Air Force.
TySn0w 6 months ago
The new logo looks like it was made by Air Canada
TheDaleDenton 6 months ago
@TheDaleDenton i was thinking the same thing, i'll bet air canada is saying "awrite free publicity" lol, btw calgary fair warning dont try that again!!!!!!!!!!!!
charizzar 6 months ago
Ahh the Winnipeg/Calgary rivalry is back...
Canuck204 6 months ago
I hope if any winnipeg folks get you tube will write me nice comments too i did i blast the city folks either i was kind to yall...hope hear n please this is way i write so u may see comments wrong place when did so try read.....enjoy the season a former fellow who lost 2 NHL teams in same state n city(thank god i not live there) in atlanta Ga!
MrLehnerd 6 months ago
But from me to people in Winnipeg Many good years n games now and no natter if get bad never stop supportin team...Like we did here from atlanta wonderfull city leaders who did the Local Tv stations which never one time had a reporter there when a game was there for support....Oh we did when was Movin of course...enjoy playoffs too n thank ASG for givin u one too.....Now do us a favor when stanley cup too
MrLehnerd 6 months ago
Yes winnipeg will have same players too from here but thank god u not get don(teflon)Waddell that best smart moves u owners had.....No 5 year plan are 11year plan there anymore. I give u 5-4 odds u guys make stanley cup playoffs first season there..
MrLehnerd 6 months ago
DOES WINNIPEG GET THE PLAYERS FROM ATLANTA?
djkgruenweissmendenc 6 months ago
Hunter didnt get suspended for his antics..cmon man...lol
oneofthemdeals 6 months ago
sorry Winnipeg let thier team go they shouldnt get a team back
Jae69 7 months ago
@Jae69 before you say things do some research bro, the fans raised over a million dollars for the team to stay, but they couldnt find owners...
Allaboutsports 7 months ago
@Jae69
Atlanta let their team go, twice now.
Qyburnator 7 months ago
$500 fine o how the times have changed
dadirrtywhyteboi 7 months ago
I hope this continues. I am an Oilers fan born in Winnipeg and i hate the flames
buck3theadman 7 months ago
i miss the days when the most you would get for this was a 3 game suspension
pwubbles 7 months ago
If this doesn't make you proud to be Canadian I don't know what will
Nichol5946 7 months ago
@Nichol5946 yeah, nuthin like being a runner up to the cup. 18 goddamn years of no cup. Makes me wanna nuke some yankee jews..lol
jjpeterson1 7 months ago
I am from Toronto but damn bring back Winnipeg you guys had some awesome players that had no where to go after Winnipeg moved witch was sad you guys could have won a cup the only reason you guys have your team moved was due to the lack of your facility.
eastsidebeastkidx 8 months ago
Winnipeg now has an NHL hockey team again!
Hope78634 8 months ago 28
@Hope78634 No shit! U think they might win?? HAHAHAH!!!
Almost as good as DEADmonton against Calgary. GO Flames GO!!
DiamondDave888 1 month ago
GO JETS GO!!!
willie420204 8 months ago
Atlanta now is Winnipeg DEAL IS DONE
XAirwalker64X 8 months ago
@XAirwalker64X You must be a league insider??
danfroning 8 months ago
@XAirwalker64X You must be a league insider??
danfroning 8 months ago
@danfroning no its on the news
XAirwalker64X 7 months ago
Congratulation on having a team back to your city Winnipeg next , Quecbec city!!! GO NORDIQUES!!!
HardcoreGodz 9 months ago
@HardcoreGodz I'm a Winnipeger and it's looking real good that we will get Nashville. I only can hope that Quebec gets a team next. You guys deserve it and how awesome would it be to see another Winnipeg vs Quebec game!
MastodonManiac 8 months ago
@MastodonManiac Nashville?? I tought it was going to be Atlanta!
HardcoreGodz 8 months ago
"Ok boys, let's go altogether !"
G0odf3lla 9 months ago
ya winnipeg reppiiiin.
blahblahblah4398 10 months ago
The big thing people don't know is fines weren't really enforced at this point in the NHL. Even still $7,600 is peanuts
pimpmasterdac 10 months ago
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average Winnipeg attendance in last season: 11,316, Lower than Phoenix
average Hartford attendance in last season: spiked to 13,000, but was 11,000 for years
At least Quebec was a consistent 14,500
you will never have an NHL team again and your memories of constant glory days and sold out arenas are delusional
Its over
MasterJoBob 11 months ago
Nice
kouzzzz1 11 months ago
I'm from Winnipeg, but moved to Calgary 30 years ago. Go Jets!!...we miss you!
drprogensteinphp 1 year ago 4
7600$ in fines? wow, inflation...
jjindie 1 year ago
Lol
joryderenzo 1 year ago
Lol
joryderenzo 1 year ago
lmaoo omg a total of $7600 in fines! that is so much money. I wish gary bettman had the balls to hand out fines that big o wait he did and he ruined hockey.
mfatty2 1 year ago
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GarshardJeVard 1 year ago
@GarshardJeVard give it a month...
ExtraFeatures 1 year ago
@ExtraFeatures I'll send you a message in a month....
GarshardJeVard 1 year ago
@GarshardJeVard Sounds good? I'm not saying its happening for sure, but if no one buys the coyotes by the end of december they are making the announcement on whether they are moving or not i think
ExtraFeatures 1 year ago
@GarshardJeVard i have believe the jets will return... eventually. not within 5 years, but 5-15 years, i think theres a shot.
Hybridv9 1 year ago
@Hybridv9 The first thing is that NHL has to get rid of Bettman, bring back old time hocket then bring hockey to Winnipeg, Hartford and Quebec.
lonedove1981 11 months ago 2
@GarshardJeVard
Thats 1/3
After next season it may be 2/3
As for Basketball, you guys will probably be in a lockout for a while, so you're safe for now.
iCelsius 6 months ago
I am a Flames fan first and foremost, but I want the Jets back.
We will have to hope that Phoenix loses terribly in its next few games, and that the NHL doesn't find a buyer for it by the end of 2010.
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
what fascination do people get out of watching fights?
garycalgary 1 year ago
@garycalgary
Are you really from Calgary???
TonoFonseca 1 year ago
Hahahaha, keep dreaming Winnipeg losers.
Charge1305 1 year ago
hayward what a goon
DALSU 1 year ago
GO JETS GO!
turbodaze 1 year ago
Yeah...Winnipeg needs a hockey team...At least we have a new barn.
guitarjunkie7 1 year ago
@guitarjunkie7 but its too small for the nhl... winnipeg saw too small
xradio86 1 year ago
These where the days! Ill never forget the playoff game where Hawerchuck went after Gretzky, and the Ref let him at it, to the amusement of us fans..lol
Jewelzie100 1 year ago
Hunter is the perfect last name for a Hockey Tough Guy
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if hockey was still like this, i might actually watch... minus helmets
brendinrurak 1 year ago
if hockey was still like this, i might actually watch... minus helmets
brendinrurak 1 year ago
GO JETS GO
RedCityBloodSet 1 year ago
coyotes need to stay where they are!!!!
fruit12345678910 1 year ago
@fruit12345678910 lol r u high?!
XnightvisionX 1 year ago
wow, being fined 200$ is basically
''hey man, can I have some money.'' :P
camlovestheleafs 1 year ago
7,600 dollars for that kind of entertainment is money well spent
Ehclips 1 year ago
These fines were peanuts !
Mortagne 1 year ago
I miss those times
jolechat 1 year ago
I think those fines would probably be 50 or 100 times higher if something like this happened today.
Tubewings 1 year ago
CALGARY KICKED THEIR ASSES SO HARD THEY LEFT WINNIPEG BECAUSE IT WAS SO HUMILIATING
smoothoperator427 1 year ago
Haha, those fines are crap. Those hockey players make millions of dollars a year.
iggy3200 1 year ago
Hey, you know what looks good on these Jets jerseys?
A Coyote logo.
bncnblrbr 1 year ago
Flames rule, but bring the Jets back to Winnipeg!!!
6ceska6republika6 1 year ago
Damn $200 fine, that's like $800 to today's standards lol.
ElBarto3131 1 year ago
GO JETS
MrPeopleStuff 1 year ago
i like at 0:52 when you see everyone coming out. fans mustve loved it
EugeniusRock 1 year ago
Settle down ladies
colagice117 1 year ago
what year was this
KillinDaWelfareMCs 1 year ago
The goalie is wacking him with his glove lol !
BFMV21100 1 year ago
I know an NHL player who beats his wife
themooddisorders 1 year ago
RIP Jets
tbiggity 1 year ago
jets get a bigger fine for leaving the bench? why?
someone goes after your goalie like that you take him down
quentin98765 1 year ago
damn does winnipeg need a hockey team again
franklinmush 1 year ago 10
@franklinmush hello, im from the future, and guess what... it happens!!!
pinkpop21 4 months ago
@pinkpop21 cool lol i dont even remember writing this
franklinmush 4 months ago
hahahah this is amazing
30hannon 1 year ago
at 0:50 the refs like crap
steelershardcore 1 year ago
Hunter was one of the toughest players to ever play. GO FLAMES
frasierdf 1 year ago
FUCK THE CALGARY FLAMES
de132 1 year ago
@de132 FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCK U
CowboyFromHell5150 1 year ago
I'm sorry. D;
de132 1 year ago
@frasierdf yeaaa
CowboyFromHell5150 1 year ago
haha this shit just doesnt happen anymore :D
Bowness ftw btw
acmilan93333 1 year ago
Wow! $200 bucks? Inflation is a bitch!
betaswitch1 1 year ago
rookie mistake by the goalie, when ever theres a skurmish around the net its best to skate off and keep calm then skate back when its all over
okpapereat 1 year ago
@okpapereat
If your a pussy,
Sure.
Bloodpoweredchainsaw 1 year ago
its not about if your a pussy or not a lot of goalies in the NHL do skate off and will not remain in the scrumbs. next time see what the goalie do when extra curricular activities happens i can guarentee you that the goalie 99.99 percent that they go for a skate in the corners and come back in when play resumes
okpapereat 1 year ago
Tim Hunter was such a stupid dumb ass player..Now he is an ASSistant coach in Toronto..Make me wonder.
Fastboy007 1 year ago
hockey is the only sport that canadians have give us more teams
deweytdog1 1 year ago
the jets might return in a few years replacing atlanta thrashers
crazy4262 2 years ago
fukeneh
SteeleAniimal 1 year ago
holy potatoes now THATS a fight!
andyllamanipl 2 years ago
lol $200 fines... those were the days
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bgarbacz 2 years ago
the ref is my uncle
longhorntx44 2 years ago
Rod Black's brother is a crooked cop.
Canon60d 2 years ago
holy shyte.....200 bucks for a cheap shot like that.....is that what the goalies integreity was worth? really? lol
in todays, pee wee nhl, hunter would have been suspended for at least a couple games, and his fine would be in the thousands
bring back bench clearing fights campbell
BNSAIT2009 2 years ago 2
hockey should be more like this
zainer36 2 years ago
I wish the NHL would stop putting teams in cities that don't even know where ice comes from or how to drive on snow. Why do Atlanta , Nashville and Phoenix have teams yet Quebec and Winnipeg don't anymore????
armitius66 2 years ago 5
people living in dallas florida anaheim tampa bady los angeles and sanjose etc don't know how to drive on ice either but teams like sanjose for example are big hockey markets :P lol. no i kno what ur sayin tho nobody gives a shit about hockey in phoenix countless millions in losses and a only a few hundred ppl at the rally last year 2 keep em there, don't know why bettman insisted on it but there they remain, that prick. Bring em back to winnipeg where people are dying for an nhl team go jets ha
pegger18636 2 years ago
Bettman is...well...he's anti-Canadian thats why
ISSI7681 1 year ago
He must not realize that a full arena in Canada is more profitable than a half filled one in the U.S.
armitius66 1 year ago 3
Yeah, he also doesn't see that all of Manitoba probably has more Hockey fans than all of the southern US
ISSI7681 1 year ago
wow old much
Thesn1peshot 2 years ago
200 bucks !!!!!lolol
cygnusx555 2 years ago
typical brutal hockey
garycalgary 2 years ago
200 dollar fine is nutting they make a shit load of money even if it was back in like 85 they could give like 10 times that amout to charity and still have a shit load
mehearther 2 years ago
that was awesome, great commentary
mrcdaniels 2 years ago
7600 lol
penguinc33 2 years ago
A $200-500 fine is kind of a joke for a pro athlete, even back in 85.
BatteryEaters 2 years ago
I'd add on another 0 at least.
Biscuitchris7again 2 years ago
I do not nor have I really ever watched hockey.. but hockey seems pretty awesome!! hahah
JenniferS3892 2 years ago 3
It really is.
BatteryEaters 2 years ago
I was at this game. It was the season opener of the 1985-86 season. The Jets were still upset about Hawerchuk getting his ribs busted in the playoffs the season before, and had been trying to instigate something since the drop of the puck. The Flames won 8-3
Scoreboard.
DanBrouthers 2 years ago 3
Jamie Macoun will burn in hell for that one.....
got damn Flames always had our number....well, almost every team had our number.....
SuperbForm 2 years ago 3
@SuperbForm what do you mean...I was a flames fan back then and the jets beat us two years in row in the 1st round of the playoffs...the jets had the flames number in post season.
ldhorricks 2 years ago 2
haha over 7600 dollars in fines?!? no way.. that'll teach 'em :P hahahaha
oakster15 2 years ago
I would not mind seeing more Canadian teams but can they survive? I mean survive long term. Sure they will be fine for awhile but long term who knows. The Canadian Dollar will become weak once more and will make it very tough on teams. I would like to see a few more Canadian teams but I dont know. Still love my USA hockey!
ijp66 2 years ago
i would have been the first one off the bench when he punched my golie i could fucking beat till an inch of his life
PureShow 2 years ago
if i was the goalie i would of fuck up hunter
yourmomother17 2 years ago
hunter is a fuckin idiot
theriftable 2 years ago 3
I've don't remember this one, this would've been in '87/88 I'm guessing. I love watching these clips on youtube. Just reminds me of how hockey was 20+ years ago. I miss that era.
Sadly, as an avid hockey fan and played for 20 years counting, I have no interest in the NHL anymore.
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amxrtdket 2 years ago
canada needs there own hockey league
american hockey SUCKS
ohmgbrownies 2 years ago
Have you never heard of the CHL?
armitius66 1 year ago
have you ever heard of NHL (professional hockey...)
ohmgbrownies 1 year ago
As an Oiler fan I wish you guy's could get your jets back. Canadian hockey rocks! Americans suck, and phoenix should never have a hockey team. Bettman kiss my ass!
DodgeRam4444 2 years ago
As a Flames fan, I share this opinion.
Crowfoot123 2 years ago
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THE RANGERS ARE THE BEST IN AMERICA
ACE101896 2 years ago
what video are you watching?
longboard257 2 years ago
GO SUCH SHIT THROUGH A STRAW!! You will have another long stretch till you make the finals again!!!
armitius66 2 years ago
BRING HOCKEY BACK 2 WINNIPEG
ACE101896 1 year ago 91
WHAT HE SAY WHAT HE SAY
Bluestarcinema 1 year ago
all the american teams suck dats wat he said
ACE101896 1 year ago 2
@ACE101896 with yah buddyy BRING BACK THE JETS
excamander12 1 year ago
@ACE101896 the coyotes need to stay where they are!!!!
fruit12345678910 1 year ago
@ACE101896 Winnipeg needs 100 of millions and millions. Just move on with your life i live in Winnipeg and I getting tired of this daydreaming idea. Thats what I get for living in "Friendly Manitoba" empty promises and abusive Natives.
Puttetier 1 year ago
@ACE101896 i would love to see it dude.i live nowhere near Winnipeg.PGH is a long way from Manitoba,but as a hockey fan that's def a city that deserves to get a team back.Along with Quebec.The Nhl should take either the panthers,predators,or thrashers and move them to Winnipeg and Quebec.Actually they should move all 3 and give Hartford a team too.Atlanta,Nashville,and Miami suck for the Nhl!!!!
bern1417 10 months ago
@bern1417 nashville is great. take columbus!
xgTfox 8 months ago
@xgTfox Columbus is actually a decent hockey city,at least when the pens are playing there.I only said Nashville bc they were having financial issues a while back.
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@ACE101896
It's on its way!
drprogensteinphp 8 months ago
@ACE101896 they are atlanta is going there.
thedudedude56 7 months ago
WE DO HAVE OUR TEAM BACK LOL @ACE101896
FilipKid 7 months ago
@FilipKid Congratulations so the Jets are back in Business Good luck for the future.
TheHockeyfreak1964 7 months ago
@ACE101896 Done and done!
tbiggity 7 months ago
@ACE101896 wish granted lol
trevboiii 7 months ago
i thinks winnipeg needs the jets back...
whitelion303 2 years ago 6
agreed, i live in the peg and everyday i hope something will happen
maxwellasper 2 years ago 2
Go Jets GO!...So they did...
danoman698765 2 years ago
man i miss the jets
swag12bucks 2 years ago 5
haha brew haha
shaunthemandude 2 years ago
I Miss this club
EssetsOnly 2 years ago
GO JETS GO!!!
KangaKucha 2 years ago
old time hockey!!!!!!!
bigcheese777 2 years ago 2
That was sweet.
massey1984 2 years ago
hahahahha FFFFFF-
NigzBlackman 2 years ago
Hayward sucks.
Xeodox 2 years ago
somebody gave me a thumbs down, why youd rather see the league struggle in weak markets then flourish in a great hockey market like canada? or see lame skaters like cindy crosby skate around doing figure eights and triple axles?
babybluesnowden 2 years ago 5
$400 fine for first to leave the bench?!?! that's a fricken slap on the hand..
wtf is a couple of hundred of dollar?!?
djayboi 2 years ago
You gotta remember, thats in 1980 dollars.
Thumper17 2 years ago
still, that's not a lot of money for professional players.
MoseyBurns 2 years ago
wish they would let the benches clear in the NHL again.Bettmans league sux, ratings are terrible, too many teams in poor markets, why is there hockey in phoenix and not winnepeg?that move sure proved fruitful!!!! the league sux now, there ruining the greatest game on earth.
babybluesnowden 2 years ago 7