Gettysburg deleted scene 6 - Lee, Euell, Early, Hill, Rhodes

[jayandbutton]

thanks for that piece of insight, was unaware. freemantle then became the glue for various reb leaders to tell their stories, but we still needed this scene to explain why the huge first day advantage was not realized, leading to the carnage of days two and three.

[jayandbutton]

lots of dumb scenes with freemantle who did not exist but this crucial scene left out? WTF? this is why gods and generals was the superior effort. at least maxwell had the sense to leave out inferior scenes like the theater footage in chicago that was totally irrelevant in his second film.

[Albukhshi]

@jayandbutton

Freemantle was a real person, who did visit the Rebel army (you can find an article about him if you use Google or sth).

but yeah, I see where you are coming from.

[ViperLord21]

threat on the left flank. It apparently wasn't real, but Ewell didn't know that. Ewell had at best a couple of intact brigades. Ewell, on receiving Lee's orders, did in fact ask for support from Anderson's division of Hill's corps. Lee refused to provide any support at all, and bizarrely ordered Ewell to take the heights without bringing on a general engagement. Ewell's task would have been further complicated by the formidable federal artillery already in place on Cemetery Hill.

[Arbeedubya]

I'm sorry, but I didn't care for Sheen's portrayal of Lee, but I thoroughly liked Berenger's of Longstreet--his favorite role as I understand. Of course, I never met Robert E. Lee or James Longstreet (I did meet a lady who had known Helen Longstreet, for what that may be worth), so I have to admit my judgment may be wrong. Maybe Sheen played Lee to a "T" and Berenger had Longstreet wrong. Guess we'll never know for sure.

[gettysburgob3]

Jackson would not have stopped till that hill was his and he would have been cursed by his officers and men while he drove them hard to do it but he would be praised by them after

[TigerRifle1]

@gettysburgob3 Actually Jackson realized something that Lee didn't, his men weren't invincible. He said himself, "My men sometimes fail to take a position, but defend one-never."

[gettysburgob3]

@TigerRifle1 This was not a hill well defended with a wall for troops to hide behind Nor was it a long mile march in the open to a clump of trees in the center to which a charging force could be flanked on both sides by a well established strong enemy. No sir, like Chancellorsville Jackson would have pushed is command for he would have recognized it as even a better chance to destroy the Potomac army then at Chancellorsville. Better them tired & complaining but up on that hill destroying 2 Corp

[TigerRifle1]

@gettysburgob3 The only reason Jackson pushed his troops so hard was he had exact intelligence on the strength he was facing, something instilled in him since his defeat at Kernstown. That would not have been the case at Gettysburg. Jackson is known for being aggressive but he wasn't reckless.

[gettysburgob3]

@TigerRifle1I do not see the reckless claim you suggest on attacking that hill on that day..sorry. I do see a brilliant general who studied such successful generals as the brilliant Scottish general Montrose and who's Shenandoah campaign of fighting a group of union armies, most larger then his to the point of destruction as the most brilliant generalship of the Civil War. I see that man having covered the gowned as Ewell did in passing being of correct fortitude .

[aptivaboy]

I would respectfully disagree. Porter Alexander himself stated that Culp's Hill nor Cemetary Hill could not have been taken the afternoon of the first day with the forces then available. Let's not forget that by the evening of the first day's battle, elements of the Iron Brigade were atop Culp's Hill, as well as other reliable non-11th Corps units. They were already well-entrenched, something that General Trimble alludes to in the movie when he requests reassignment. An attack would have failed.

[gettysburgob3]

@aptivaboy But Porter Alexander was not at Gettysburg till 9am July 2nd. see report (O.R.-- SERIES I--VOLUME XXVII/2 [S# 44]). The Iron Brigade in fact was smashed taking losses of 1,153 out of 1,829 and would never recover. The First lost 6,059 out of 10,022 on that day The 11th lost more then at Chancellorsville (39%) Both corps where scrambled and many where displaced from there units. The only other units still arriving was from the 12th...con't

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 As far as the union digging... in that did not take place until much later. It was considered at that time in the war not a positive move to have men make works for the general belief was they would be reluctant to leave them and move forward so no orders to do so were given till arrival of Greene an amendment rare believer in such tactic which was much later. Ewell had 6 brigades in battle line at the bottom of hill but after talking with Early did not attack.. con't

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 Also according to Trimble source (THE BATTLE AND CAMPAIGN OF GETTYSBURG From the original MS. Furnished by Major Graham Daves, of North Carolina

By Major-General Isaac R. Trimble, C.S.A.) at about 3 pm "I approached him( Ewell) and said: "Well, General, we have had a grand success; are you not going to follow it Up and push our advantage? He replied that "General Lee had instructed him not to bring on a general engagement without orders, and that he would wait for them." con't

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 Trimble would continue " I said: "General, there," pointing to Culp's Hill. "is an eminence of commanding position, and not now occupied, as it ought to be by us or the enemy soon. I advise you to send a brigade and hold it if we are to remain here. "He said: "Are you sure it commands the town?" "Certainly it occupied, as it ought to be by us or the enemy soon. I advise you to send a brigade and hold it if we are to remain here."

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 With Culp Hill empty and 6 brigades at his ready in line of battle with more reserves moments away and Hill corps less than half an hour away also in line of battle the high ground could and should have been taken I must respectfully reiterate. Failing to do so lead made the battles conclusion inevitable.

[ViperLord21]

@gettysburgob3

Culp's Hill was not empty. Remnants of First Corps were on top of it, and the leading division of Twelfth Corps was almost there already. Ewell did not 6 brigades at the ready. Rodes' division was wrecked from the bloody fighting earlier, and Rodes himself said it would have been madness to attack with just his division. Early's division was in better shape but most of it was occupied rounding up prisoners in Gettysburg itself, and Ewell had to send a brigade to meet a reported

[gettysburgob3]

@ViperLord21 "Culp's Hill was not empty" The facts say otherwise! First of all Trimple made a recon of that Hill and has histrionically reported it empty . It also has been historically verified by several commanders under Ewell ( Gordon) and on the union side as well

Example:Captain Edward N. Whittier, Fifth Maine Battery (Mollus War Papers)"Culp's Hill, which Early could have taken possession of on the first day without striking a blow..." con't

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 con't...Fact is the hill would remain empty except for Co B of the 7th Indiana as historian

John Kelly recounts in "THE FIGHT FOR CULP’S HILL " saying Culp’s Hill remained unoccupied throughout the first day’s battle, with most of the action taking place north of the town of Gettysburg. As the Federal units fell back, badly depleted units of the First and Eleventh Corps were reformed on Cemetery Hill as more and more reinforcements poured in to bolster the Union force. " con't

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 con't3 Kelly would con't "Company B of the 7th was placed at right angles to the main line, facing Rock Creek to the east in a skirmish line. The Twelfth Corps would move into position protecting the eastern approaches of the hill on July 2nd, but the night of July 1st saw only this one company on the eastern slopes of the hill. "

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 con't4 Also it should be noted that not until Hancock arrived after 4:30pm did element of first corps get order to move to Culp Hill which was followed by the first units of 12th corps.Kelly would right General Hancock ordered Wadsworth’s division (Cutler’s and Meredith’s brigades) of Doubleday’s battered First Corps to occupy Culp’s Hill at about 5:00 PM. Cutler ordered his 7th Indiana to occupy the hill. This is verified by the OR .

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 con't5 Meantime Early's men had long cleared the town and three brigades had formed a line of battle along with 3 brigades of Rhodes . Coddington's "The Gettysburg Campaign " would say "Ewell might have been able to organize an attack force of 6,000 to 7,000 men " Harry W. Pfanz in is piece ""Old Jack" Is Not Here" commented "I concur whole heatedly with Coddinton's opinions and would even add to them".

[gettysburgob3]

@gettysburgob3 So in conclusion Culp Hill was empty at that time with a strong force at the ready to attack and with a least two orders from Lee to "push those people " and take that hill" made the idea of any old order to not bring on a major engagement as an excuses non sequitur, that Hill could and should have been taken : )

[AlexSaysHi2013]

where is that one scene where a general, none of the ones here, is raving at Lee about not being able to take Culp's hill, the general is also the narrator

[rob9641]

@AlexSaysHi2013 search youtube on "Trimble Gettysburg"

[oldsreo]

@AlexSaysHi2013 It was Trimble.I saw it once and not since.

[larsjake]

OK, so most people wouldn't care, but some of the scenes they left in the movie and then this one? Who edited the movie? a retarded monkey? Tis would have been key to understand lee's vigor in displacing the union center at "picketts" (and the otheres) charge.

[oldgoatgxp]

This was one scene that would have given a better explanation while the high ground wasn't taken. This would have added to the scene with Trimble that was kept in the movie.

[Jemmer1000]

It could have been larger. Now you know it's not as simple as it sometimes appears.

Great lines, a shame they were cut., but it applies in all aspects of life not just war and movie making.

[AllenbysEyes]

Great scene. I can see why they cut it but I think it's necessary to balance out Trimble's rant earlier in the film.

[AltonJB1984]

just like you can't take a piece out of history, you SHOULDN'T leave a piece this important out of such an influencial film to american history

[arthur131313]

In the end the defeat at Gettysburg rests with Lee and Lee was the first to admit it.

[ccferr1]

God save us all from a longer version of Gods and Generals!

[arthur131313]

@ccferr1 very true unless they show Antietam

[Arbeedubya]

It's been said, I believe correctly, that one of Lee's greater talents as commander of the Army of Northern Virginia was his ability to maintain peace among his subordinates, some of whom often forgot who the real enemy was and who were just about as ready to fight each other as they were to fight Yankees.

[stellalouise1]

Euell, Early, Hill, Rhodes and Jeb Stuart had all reported to Jackson just a couple of months earlier. They were not used to Lee's loose command style and wobbled under it at first. Stuart learned fast and redeemed himself quickly. I still say that if Jackson were there and had command of them, the outcome would have been different. Many of those involved said they thought so as well. As Jackson believed himself, maybe it really was providence.

[stellalouise1]

This scene is crucial and should have been left in! Jackson would have taken that hill, recognizing that "If practicable" was a polite salutation. Jeb Stuart had reported to Jackson and would have been kept in closer check as well. I can't help but that if it was the Lord's will for the Union to win, then removing Gen. Jackson was required to acomplish that. He had only been dead a few weeks here. I love Jackson and though being shot by friendly fire is tragic - the enemy never got him. :-)

[Walker915]

These are great scenes..Wish they weren't cut from the dvd release...any plans on releasing them in a special edition?

[rob9641]

@Walker915 There have been noises about releasing a new edition sometime this year or next.  Not sure if these scenes will be in it, or even if it will really happen.

[DarthMercanto]

@rob9641 The Extended Editions of Gods and Generals and Gettysburg have been announced and will be released on May 24 (as well as a Limited Collector's Edition set which has not been detailed but will be released on July 5). Gettysburg will include all of the scenes you have kindly provided! If you want confirmation take a look on Amazon or eve just google it, the announcement was made two days ago so the news is still fresh! Thanks again for posting these scenes!

[ross42899]

@rob9641

Director's cut will be released on May 24th on Blu-Ray as well as as the "Gods & Generals" Extended cut.

[2ndCorpsAnv]

@Walker915 The Blu-ray release of the 271-minute Director's Cut will be released May 24th, along with the 280-minute Director's Cut of "Gods and Generals." Both films will possibly be released on DVD in July.

[sgtcamp1246]

@Walker915 both Gods and Generals and Gettysburg are having Directors Cut DVDs being released

[Boelcke1916]

I have seen the Vicksburg Battlefield and it is moving. As the greatest land battle ever on our soil, I think Gettysburg would be even greater. I lived in Texas for almost fifteen years, much to my pleasure. It increased my sense of reverence for our history. Please get the third movie made, for the sake of the memory of our people. I like the part where the Irishman tells Col. Chamberlain that "the army was blessed today." That moves me. Thanks, Mr. Turner. God bless you.

[Boelcke1916]

I guess one of my hopes is that Ted Turner, who I consider a patriot, will find the funding from himself and others to make the third movie in this trilogy. We need to know and to remember our history. Some day my wife and I are going to travel across the country from Idaho to visit the battlefield of Gettysburg. I want to see where it all happened. I am eternally grateful for the sacrifices.

[Boelcke1916]

Ted Turner, God bless him, did us all a huge favor by making the two movies - "Gettysburg" and "Gods and Generals." I for one am grateful. My family had one family member from upstate New York who fought in the war and lost two legs, I am told. I am sorry it ever happened, another of the great human tragedies. It is best we stay as one nation. A united USA has done much good in the world, including beating back the Kaiser and the Nazis and winning the Cold War, all at great cost.

[KFWVAII]

I agree, he probably would have; Lee explicitly said so after the war ( in one of the few times he talked about the war), to his cousin, Casius Lee, in Alexandria. At any rate, the the late evening attack on the night of July 2nd which resulted in the Confederates breaking into the cemetary would have been properly coordinated and might wellhave succeeded had Jackson been there.

[AltonJB1984]

omg ive been trying to find this scene for like 5 years! i love the gettysburg movie

[KFWVAII]

Also, to illustrate how badly the First and Third Corps were shot up, they were amalgamated into the Second and Fifth Corps by the time of the Wilderness Campaign, with the Eleventh and Twelfth being transferred to the West (initially under Hooker, of all people) to assist in breaking the siege of Chattanooga. (They never returned to the Army of the Potomac.)

[dancinkindofguy]

@KFWVAII A lot of people felt that Stonewall Jackson would have indeed taken Cemetary Hill had he lived to fight at Gettysburg and been in command instead of Ewell.  Perhaps, hindsight is 20/20.

[johan12564]

@dancinkindofguy That is true, but now Lee has not Jackson, Lee has Ewell. The commander must know that to Ewell, he cannot give such a vague order, as "if practicable". Lee is entirely resposible for the disaster. Orders must be clear.

[dancinkindofguy]

@johan12564 I remember when I first saw this movie at the intro when all the pictures of the soldiers were morphing into the actors that played them, they showed Ewell and then the actor that played him, I think his name was Tim Scott. Then after the movie was over I realized they never showed Ewell. It wasn't until I saw this I found out his scene was deleted. Yes, Lee uncharachteristicly made a lot of mistakes at Gettysburg, Picketts Charge being the most disastorous.

[dancinkindofguy]

@johan12564 I read somewhere that he may have been feeling the heart condition that eventually killed him 5 years after the war ended.

[battlestar9]

@johan12564

I agree with this assessment. In addition Stuart's performance in this battle was terrible (and to me he was the best cavalryman in the Civil War). His failure to provide Lee with critical information on the enemy's strength and movements left Lee blind and contributed to some of the mistakes he made in this battle. However, in the end I believe Lee's failure to be clear in his order to Ewell and his failure to redeploy his army after the hills were not secured led to the defeat

[KFWVAII]

The reason that Meade is not better remembered is the media: he had a correspondent disciplined (strung up by his thumbs, I believe) for mistreating an animal about the time fo the Wilderness Campaign. As a result, the reporters banned together and refused to mention his name if at all possible, emphasizing Grant's. Meade commanded the Army of the Potomac for the rest of the war, but Grant's name was the one that appeared in the papers.

[hoosieryank1967]

"Now you know it is not alwyas as simple as it sometimes appears."

[deriter64]

Meade gets short changed in this movie as he did in life. Lincoln humiliated him for not pursuing and destroying the Army of Northern Virginia, an "iffy" proposition considering Confederate resilience. But whatever else history takes from him it can't deny one thing: he beat Robert E. Lee in perhaps the most vital battle of the Civil War.

[rohirrim90]

@deriter64 not only the resilience, but if you watch the movie and read about the battle you'll realize that his corps get battered up during the full battle. The I Corps was pretty much shot after the 1st day, the XI Corps wouldn't be able to mount an assault, the III Corps was also shot after the 2nd day, the II Corps just tired themselves out in the last attack, and the V, VI, and XII Corps were in no position to mount an attack from their stations. Meade was right not to press the attack.

[rob9641]

@rohirrim90 Meade DID go after Lee with cavalry as the ANV retreated. The battles of Monterey Pass, Hagerstown, Funkstown, and Williamsport, for instance. But Meade was beat up, as you say, and he couldn't tell if Lee was retreating or redeploying to South Mountain to give battle again from better ground for Lee. Also, the weather that hampered Lee nailed Meade, too. Little streams turned into deep roaring rivers - couldn't get forces across. Harder than it sounded.

[rohirrim90]

@rob9641 I don't think I properly explained my view clearly enough, my bad. Your right that Meade did press cavalry against Lee, but I was talking about the infantry and its position for an immediate attack on Lee's ANV. Your right about the rest of your comment as well, it is very well said.

[deriter64]

@rohirrim90 Hi, thanks for the reply. I'm obviously not as expert as you on Gettysburg but I've always thought the Union army was pretty stretched after the battle. Just holding against a determined assault by the Army of Northern Virginia was a tall order. Meade did his job and didn't precipitate a slaughter of Union troops. Lee's army was a scary thing, even in retreat, the see saw of a number of battles proved that. Meade stood with a victory and an army intact.

[rob9641]

Happy Birthday, Tim Scott! 

[JohnCronin103]

can anyone put the scene with Longstreet and Hood in the "Hospital"? I like that one.

[divisioneight]

It's a shame these scenes were deleted from Michael Shaara's fine novel. These scenes spelled so clearly the character of Lee and his subordinates. When I visited Gettysburg last summer, I went to the very room Lee occupied during the campaign and thought of that moment.

[raiderhater2008]

The guy in this scene who portrayed General Robert Rodes looks more like General John C. Breckinridge.

[galoon]

@raiderhater2008 He does, which is authentic enough, I suppose. Rodes and Breckinridge looked a lot alike.

[John6yt]

Ewell did have a habit of deferring to his subordinate Early. I believe the same thing happened in the Wilderness in 1864, when Gordon found the right flank of Grant's army open and wished to attack, only to be quashed by Early and Ewell until Lee intervened.

[Shafeone]

It's too bad they didn't use this scene....this was an important moment at the battle...Though it may not have gone down just his way, Lee was clearly angry that the men who refused to take Culps and Cemetery Hill nonetheless were opposed to moving off their front. It made little sense to keep the II corps where it was facing two strong hills, yet they didn't want to give up ground they just fought so hard to take...insignificant as wit was. No wonder Lee was angry on July 2.

[rob9641]

@JohnCronin103 I also read that but there didn't seem to be a lot of "liking" going on between the generals on either the Confed or Union side. May have been partly because the war was so frustrating and going on so long with each side hitting so many lows.

[Shafeone]

@JohnCronin103 General McClaws had no love for Longstreet either.

[Shafeone]

@Shafeone Sorry. SHould have spelled it cLaws.

[bullrider58]

@JohnCronin103 A.P. Hill's division was moved to Jackson's corps due to a duel that almost came about between Hill and Longstreet over a quarrel during the 7 Days Battles. If you want the full story of it take a look at a book my Moxley Sorrel, he wrote his recollections from the war in a book called "At the Right Hand of Longstreet."

[jdyer84]

Oh my thank you. I've been looking for this scene for a LONG time. It just as I imagined, except that Ewell was too tall. The actor portrayed him well, but he towered over Gen. Lee, when in actuality he was 5" shorter.

Also, A.P. Hill was not at this meeting, but Gen. John Gordon was.

[rob9641]

@jdyer84 Martin Sheen is not very tall - a drawback for his portrayal, but pretty minor stuff IMO. Tim Scott who played Ewell was tall, but man, he looked like Ewell tho, didn't he? Ewell's reasons for not attacking Cemetery Hill are a lot more complicated than presented here, and it was not empty - Howard had troops up there from the start, knowing it was a great fall back position for the Union. If Ewell had attacked and failed, I wonder how that would have affected Lee's other decisions.

[CrazyDoncovA]

why did they delete this scene!? it makes understanding the whole danger of attacking easy to understand!

[rob9641]

@CrazyDoncovA They had to cut the running time down because it was such a long film. I'd have preferred they leave this scene and the one where Garnett talks about Longstreet's losing his children, maybe deleted some other bits and pieces to make up the time, but I wasn't the editor.

[Collinfan94]

I hope they re-release this movie and add all the deleted scenes back in, it would make such a difference!

[Devsfan202]

Spelled Richard EWELL-not Euell! No one in the group returned Lee's salute when they left either-against military protocol.

[rob9641]

@Devsfan202 I know I spelled it wrong. Somebody corrected me a long time ago. And Ewell returned the salute as the other three left - I understand custom was the senior officer alone returned a salute when a group was involved. Check other scenes in the film - same thing.

[Devsfan202]

@rob9641 ok

[Shafeone]

@rob9641 No worries about the spelling. (See my "McClaws" above). Thank you for posting this scene I never saw before. It should have been included. Filed in a lot of information needed to understand how Lee started to lose control of events. The scene with Trimble speaking about Ewell was much less powerful or informative. That should have been deleted...Trimble was a supernumerary for most of the battle anyway until July 3 when he took over the mortally wounded Dorsey Pender's division.

[rob9641]

@Shafeone I like the Trimble/Lee scene - I like Morgan Sheppard and he did a memorable job with it. But I too wish this scene had been included. Ron Maxwell said there was a first cut of the film that was over 6 hours long that he showed to Richard Jordan before he died, and Jordan liked it. If Jordan liked something, it was pretty good. Wish we could see that first cut.

[liverpoolirish208]

@Devsfan202 No, the senior present salutes for the group. Ewell is the senior so saluted for the whole group.

[Devsfan202]

@liverpoolirish208 OK-np-rob let me know already (see above)

[rob9641]

@Devsfan202 - I don't understand - let you know what?

[Devsfan202]

@rob9641 About the salute issue-liverpooirish told me the same thing you had already

[rob9641]

I do wish they had left this scene in. Tim Scott made a perfect Euell, and it helps the film a lot. Ever notice how the scenes they delete from films in general really do seem to help a lot of the time?

[Guderian41]

Aaahhh so thats where the actor was. They shown Ewell in the opening credits, but I was wondering where the hell he was.

[legendarytoyou]

this was another case of General Stuart not being there when they needed him. to this day people still wonder where the hell Stuart went and why

[Chadsdad12]

This was very inportant scean, This should have been not cut off , so all would have know why we didnt take the hill when we could have and also y we didnt redraw  when we should have,

[rob9641]

I agree, but it's hard to decide what to cut when you have to get a film down under 5 hours length (Maxwell said the first cut was over 5 hours long). I'd rather they'd kept it long and just gone with the miniseries, skipping the theatrical release, but Turner wanted a theatrical release and he was footing the bill. It had to get cut down. We're lucky it didn't get cut further.

[55098]

Why did they cut these scenes for these made sense in the movie to give a better understanding of what happened

[rob9641]

Time. Editor's choice. It was a long movie as it was. But I'd have left this scene and the one where Longstreet greets Kemper and Garnett on the first night and deleted something else - maybe that short scene where Meade shows up, stuff like that. But then, in an ideal world, I'd have just left EVERYTHING in. (I understand the first cut was even longer than the version with these deleted scenes.)

[joeluv64]

Cool

[3mate1]

God they cut out ALL the acting in the theatrical version. What they left in was no where nearly as good as this. Dont get me wrong, I loved this movie... I wore out the VHS pausing and rewinding it as a kid. But WOW, these deleted scenes are great.

[Mr508films]

Where are these scenes on the DVD?

I'm looking at the DVD but I see no deleted scenes

[rob9641]

They are not on the DVD. They are on an old VHS commemorative edition that came with a book and a mineball.

[Mr508films]

Was that a special package that was given to re-enactors who were in the movie? I think I remember a friend of mine who was in it, had it.

[rob9641]

I doubt it was given to the reenactors. As I recall, it didn't come out until the film was on TV as the miniseries, which was in 1994. I taped that showing, commercials and all, and there are commercials for it.

[Mr508films]

Oh well, either way i probably can't buy it anywhere anyway.

[rob9641]

Keep checking on ebay. It comes up every now and then. Make sure you get the one with the book and bullet.

[pandaphil]

Well we're just a few years away from the 20th anniversary aren't we? I'm really holding out hope they'll put out a special edition dvd (or BR) version with all these deleted scenes eithe radded, or put into the extras. My old dvd needs replacing anyway. But I agree, the scene really helps the movie and a lot more fair to the Generals involved. And once again, Lee come soff looking like a great leader.

[dancinkindofguy]

I think this scene makes Jubal Early look like a tenative cautious general when the opposite is true. If he thought that position couldn't be taken, then it couldn't.

[lucius1976]

Good scene. They shouldnt have deleted that one.

[historybuff2001]

They also released this version on t.v. I recorded it and I have watched it many times. I think Gettysburg is a great movie,the only knock I have against it is that it does not show just what a gruesome battle it really must have been and what the soldiers had to go through and maybe the fake beards! Martin Sheen is a much better Robert E. Lee than Robert Duvalli I thought that Duvall was a bobblehead in Gods And Generals.

[colindominy]

If even a small part of this scene is only remotely true to the actual historical reality & facts of the matter .. then I can but only conclude that the Army of Northern Virginia had one-hell of a truly magnificent Officer Corps (& this scene doesn't include such luminaries as Jackson and Longstreet, either). And in stating that, I mean no disparagement nor running-down, in any way whatsoever, of the calibre of the Officer Corps of the CSA's opponents in battle .. The Army of the Potomac.

[Shafeone]

@colindominy It reflected the frustration on Lee's part and the indecisiveness of the II Corps officers to either take the hills OR t swing around to seminary ridge to a position more advantageous. Col. Freemantle observed that Lee was agitated by all this. Both sides were superbly led for the most part. Meade simply outfought Lee at this battle...anticipating his every move. When Pickett was asked why his charge failed he replied: "I think the Union Army had something to do with it."

[galoon]

@Shafeone Well put. I think this affair made Lee realize that he couldn't give vague orders to Ewell and Hill and expect them to be able to read between the lines like Jackson could. Lee had two new corps commanders who were untested in their new roles.

Meade did indeed do well at Gettysburg--I wish the movie would have expanded his role--especially with Dan Sickles moving III Corps out to the Peach Orchard without orders--that could have made for a lively scene between Sickles and Meade!

[musicman3005]

this movie is awsome ! ! !

[knight6]

meade could have been in this movie more,

[soccercw]

Only the highest ranking member of any group is obligated to salute, just as it is today

[BigMrFirebird]

That's a great scene and I appreciate it being posted here. Does anyone know if the depiction between Lee and Ewell at the end was accurate? If only Jackson would've still been there....

[LeftiusMaximus]

if tremble had been given troops........he could have taken it....elements of the 99th Louisiana of Hayes Command...did take Culps hill....but they could not hold it

[CaScA]

Common practice is that if soldiers are in a group the most senior one among them will return the salute of a superior. In this case, Ewell was the most senior.

[Zappiss]

It's Ewell, not Euell...

[Lonovavir]

Of all the scenes to cut out of the film. (From the Confederate POV) the left flank of the Union line at Gettysburg doesn't get enough attention.

[rob9641]

There was a "first cut," over five hours long, that Ron Maxwell said he showed to Richard Jordan before he died, and Jordan loved it. If there were a way to contact Maxwell, I'd suggest we all deluge him to get that first cut out on DVD or Blue Ray. But I don't know how to contact him.

[JohnCronin103]

If its not on DVD what is this from?

[rob9641]

It's from a "Collector's Edition " VHS that was out in 1994 or so.

[UNCfan102]

This is another scene that would be useful to include yet was removed. Euell really should have been shown.

[Jubilo1]

Sheen certainly brings out the warm, paternal side of Lee in this exchange with General Ewell . Not every scene is splendid but Sheen makes many of them superb and brings to life what has never before been seen on the screen

[rob9641]

Actually, I liked Sheen in every single scene, especially the one where he chews out Stuart and the very last scene with Longstreet. But then, I liked every scene in the film (okay, Ted Turner and Ken Burns can't act, but everybody else could).

[JohnCronin103]

@Jubilo1

I thought he was way better than robert duvall as lee.

[ElComunicador01]

The reality is that Ewell should have taken the Hill. Union I and XI lines were broken and did not have time to present a battle line, had he press, and we must Blame Hill also, the confederates will have had the High Ground

[TigerRifle1]

Troops were stationed there throughout the 1st days battle. They had a battle line and artillery in position.

[oli730]

VERY IMPORTANT scene that was left out of the DVD!

I agree with FredDude that Ewell had some pretty big shoes to fill in replacing Stonewall Jackson. That, along with the fact that Lee and his army basically stumbled into battle at Gettysburg, meant that such errors as the one depicted in this scene were bound to occur.

[donwild50]

Although Ewell and Early did not appear in the movie (and causing some confusion regarding giving them screen credit) Hill does appear in the film, albeit briefly. As Lee and Taylor are riding toward Gettysburg on the first day, they pause and speak to a dismounted officer wearing a red shirt. That officer is A. P. Hill, who was noted for his red "battle shirt."

[sparta25789]

damn it i wish they left this part in the flim this was the major part on cuples hill ass holes i wish they can just release it out on dvd again

[Stilicho0874]

I feel especially sorry for this scene having been deleted, as it is of crucial importance for the ongoing movie and for the understanding of the battle. They should have included it.

[shastabasket]

Now, i see why Early, Ewell and Hill where credited in the movie, their only scene was deleted!!!!

[FredDude27]

The post-war judgement of Ewell is that he was competent but nothing more. He also had huge shoes to fill, namely that of Stonewall Jackson who was by definition brilliant. Unfortunetly Lee is also to blame here: He was used to having a brilliant and independant man such as Jackson being able to understand and carry out his orders. With Ewell he acted in the same manner. And Ewell, a NEW Corps-commander who hadn't had too much time to learn, was thrown into the biggest battle ever fought in US.

[guyman117]

I dont get why Ewell is still in the opening credit rell when they cut his only scene from the movie.

[pdogone1]

i think from the books i have read that ewell acted correctly bsed on what had happened that day and what troops were available. there were fresh union troops on cemetery hill with arty..but afree jackson would have probably assaulted the position...

[supertrouper2]

Sorry it is spelled Ewell

[supertrouper2]

Another great scene for some unknown reason deleted. Gen. Euell took command of "Stonewall" Jackson"s confederate 2nd corps after Jackson died. I know it's pure speculation,but I believe if Gen.Jackson was a Gettysburg,he would have taken that damn hill. He would not have doubted for one minute that it was "practable".

[ReBa1918]

Thank you for adding those missing scenes. I surely watched this movie a dozen times and I always wondered why they show Ewell and Hill at the opening while they don't appear in the actual movie.

[bmillsistheman]

Would like to ask a favor...is there anyway you can upload the entire scene that comes before this one, where the union generals are talking, my dvd is scratched and i have to skip through those scenes...

[rob9641]

I'll see what I can do, but you might try one of those $15 clean your disc things - I got one and it works like a charm.

[Bhobbs1985]

Jus go buy the movie for cheaper then $15. I jus bought this and gods and generals together for $12.

[rob9641]

But you can save a lot of discs with the disc cleaner.

[BullpenBoss]

Tim Scott...who played General Ewell...was a wonderful character actor. He appeared in Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid, Lonesome Dove, Fried Green Tomatoes. Wonderful actor. This was probably one of his last roles before passing away. It's a shame this wasn't released. Does anyone know of any way to get a version of this wonderful movie with the deleted scenes intact? BTW...Live and was raised in York, PA. Spent many wonderful moments in Gettysburg...a very special place.

[rob9641]

Tim Scott made several more things before he passed in 1995, including "Return to Lonesome Dove." The only way you can get it with the deleted scenes intact is the Collector's version on VHS (the one with the book and the bullet and the music CD).

[BullpenBoss]

It's also a shame Richard Anderson's role as Meade didn't get more attention.

[rob9641]

I'm not sure if they cut anything on that or the role was always that small, but I have my sources. I'll see if my "deep throat" knows.

[rob9641]

My deep throat says that Anderson's role was never that big - he was around for two weeks or so during filming. Nice guy.

[skyhawk2958]

This woulda been an awsome scene to release to theater version. I see a similarity to "Midway", a pivotal moment in history. I was gripped. Thanks.

[trob226]

No, there was never a DVD that contained these deleted scenes. These are from the VHS Collectors Edition version, and there are other scenes that never made either version.

[sierragulf27]

This is amazing. I've never seen these before. Is there a DVD version that has these deleted scenes?

[adamjohnwest]

So that's Ewell. They have his picture in the opening credits but I could never figure out where he actually appeared in the film. Now I know why, his only appearance was cut.

[rob9641]

Sorry, "Ewell."

[theOlLineRebel]

I believe that's "Ewell".