Dude your not Antisemetic Jews are Just trying to become a poor minority. The fact that they already own the media.
Some Jews In Australia were caught defacing their shopfront with swastikas and entisemetic spraypainting by Security cameras from other Busineses. Busted. Antisemetism is a myth. Its grously Overexagerated.
@teslaglobal It's not a myth, I've personally encountered a few people in the states who used the term "Jew" for "haggle" without thinking there was anything wrong with it. "He really Jewed me down in price." It's similar to using the term Gypsy to describe drifters performing larceny or other illegal acts. Pretending to be persecuted, as in the case you're describing, it despicable and convolutes the larger issues of mistrust between ethnic groups.
the study was done by comaparing genes from Pashtuns and Ashkenazi jews and they found out that Pashtuns and Ashkenazi jews are infact very related and the fact the Pashtuns are descendnats of israelite jews that converted to christianity then islam...
at 1:50, when you are listing things attributable to the State of Israel, you didn't mention "terrorist" among the verbs used. Remember that the Palestinians are a "semitic people" this according to Lillenthal, a notable person to me, that is of Jewish descent. When God comes to my door, knocks, says "hey there, I AM GOD" and proves it to me emphatically, then He says "see these scumbags over here? They are your master". Then I will think about bowing a knee. Only THINK about it mind you.
@UBER069 I use terms like terrorism to describe the militarily ineffective but civilian terrorizing crimes committed by a group of people unaffiliated with a government. The actions of a nation state, however cruel or criminal, fall under a different category.
@rfathzadeh that's good, it seems this upcoming generation in Iran is a bit fed up with their theocracy. I'd love to see the emergence of a secular scientific persia . . . . again. The rest of the world is poorer from their isolation.
they have one genetic testing which reaveals them to have alot of r1a y chromosonal Dna, which lacks among middle eastern people but common among eastern europeans and turkic people....
I as a muslim from Iran totally agree with what you mentioned in the last 10 seconds or something. I really liked it and it is really what happens when religious and politics mix up! Goddamn it, we have this situation in Iran too presently.
Hey Kalin, I really like your vids! Totally respect your thoughts! My question for ya is completely and totally off this subject. But you're dealing with something like me--going bald fast. I noticed in vids from just like 3 years ago you had a lot more hair and now the top is basically gone. I'm rapidly losing mine as well. How did YOU deal with it? I apologize if you've talked about this in your q&a vids and I missed it. Thanks again for the awesome vids!
Calling someone anti-Semitic was like telling someone they didn't support the troops or were unpatriotic during the bush years. Everyone was scared to say anything even if the statement couldn't be further from the truth. I think the president of Israel is being anti-Semitic because he is hurting the reputation of his people and fueling more anger which means that more of his people will die in suicide attacks and bombing. Also Arabs are Semitic peoples too.
@anubis2814 that's true, arabs are Semitic. I wouldn't use the term anti-semitic to describe the Israeli government's actions, it's nationalistic in that they want an entirely Jewish state and they use religion to justify that nationalism. Our country did something along the same lines during the Bush administration and we invaded Afghanistan (defensible) and then Iraq (totally unrelated). France spoke up, and what did we do? Freedom Fries. sigh . . . .
I think Israel is wasting its emotional clout on these settlements as well as it's invasions. It is shooting itself in the foot because for so long it could do no wrong to America that now its acting like it really can do no wrong. They will push it to the point that the public gets so pissed at them that they finally cut them off. They are an American subsidized state for reasons listed in my latest video about Republicans and socialism
ya mass effect 2 is a harsh mistress, you are clearly making sense here. I myself noticed a sort of granted respect for all things related to the Jewish people and Israel growing up with Catholic/Protestant parents. There was just this idea that they were now beyond any kind of reproach due to what they had endured. Of course, viewing that nation free of religious connotations, It could be in better shape lol to say the least.
The whole "criticism = anti-semetism" is because vocal Jewish representation inside of the US is represented almost entirely by a group known as AIPAC, and moderates like Jon Stewart barely talk about the subject.
In California we have this thing called "Orange County". And, of course, Stanford, which is close to S.F. is host to plenty of conservative minded people.
There is a group called "J-street". Perhaps they can help.
@GrudgyDiablo ex-muslim, damn, try to keep your head on your shoulders! Jews considered atheists merely as fools or as a phase that teenagers eventually grow out of, no mandatory killing is required :) Family gathering can't be comfortable for you.
It's the right wing conservative fanatics, as you pointed out, that believe that Israel can do no wrong and that ANYTHING said against Israel is anti semetic. I'm frustrated too my friend. All we can do is keep speaking out against religious fanatacism. Keep up the good work!
Sounds familiar. Reminds me of the authoritarian definition of the "axis of evil", "preemptive warfare", "who is not with us is against us", "terror" ;)
So, the Jewish politicians are just the elite of the elite and do not take part in fair wordings ;)
@uncertaintyprinciple I wouldn't use the word "elite", that describes them as being the most educated or otherwise top of their field. They're simply ultra nationalist and use religion to justify it.
I personally don't see it as a religious dispute. Israel is hardly 45% or lower religious, and secular and religious political factions clash all the time there. I spent almost a year in Jerusalem - the more religious city - and Tel Aviv is a very different place. It might have more to do with mandatory military service and all the wars they fought that tell them "defend at all costs" even if in reality it is aggression. They should return all captured land to the Palestinians, it's only fair.
@AnticDispossession Actually,, there have been many interviews with the military and public officials which admit that its a religious crusade, that the land is theirs and other hateful things.
Really, they are not an ashamed people about their beliefs.
Also, While its true that secular and religious clash, religious have been winning and in control for decades, with very small times of secular control.
@waltermh111 - Sorry if I disagree. There are many who think the land is theirs, but they vary from the secular to very religious, and the justification is usually because they will be vulnerable if they return the West Bank and Gaza. On a cultural level I think this is allowed to happen because of the many Israeli wars, and the history of Jewish persecution which says so. But their enemies don't have standing armies today. On some level they're still fighting for legitimacy with force.
As far as the vulnerable part, by now thats irrelevent since one of the impitus for the swarm to that area is their divine right.
They were only given a small land by the muslims a century ago and after WW1 or 2, they started acting like it was their time to have the holy land back.
But fact is, if secular groups think the west bak is so dangerous, you dont build settlements on it, you build bases only.
@waltermh111 - The Israeli right is not very religious. The Israeli left is not religious. In fact the religious have their own viewpoints and parties in the Knesset and it doesn't come down to religious or not. Like I said, 45% or less of Israel follows traditional Judaism. They are secular. I don't think anyone uses the argument of the bible and is taken seriously - instead they believe the West Bank was captured in a war and giving it back would be dangerous. Yes, people build settlements.
@waltermh111 - My point is, why would a mostly secular Israel continue to vote for a religious idea. It's because they don't occupy the Palestinian areas out of religion. They do it because of fear of suicide bombs, fear of fighting future wars, and for the settlers who stubbornly planted themselves over the green line. The settlers - the ones who make Jewish neighborhoods over the line, are religious however. And the government feels obligated to protect them as Israeli citizens.
@AnticDispossession Wow, this is old, but work calmed down and i was checking through my emails.
I see enough interviews with Israeli solders and politicians to know what they think. I followed this somewhat close for the last few years.
I dont think West Bank is a religious issue. Them having that land in general, and Jeruselum specifically, is a religious issue, and they have so much as said so on personal accounts.
Maybe the fundie movement isnt in charge, and not saying every ...
They have been living in a state of war for so many generations all they know is hate and/or fear.
Religion does fuel many of their passions though, and the conservative movement there is clearly religious. 45% religious is quite large, and close to, if not larger then the conservative group in the US.
Well, as an Ex-Muslim you must be against both the Palestinian and Jewish extremist.
but yea, Israel must pay for their crimes that they have done through their existence. But I also think that the Palestinian extremist must pay for all of their crimes...
In the end I just wanted to know, do you agree that the solution would be atheism?
If the religion was gone, we would have peace- or am I totally wrong?
@KaptajnKaffe I am not Kalin, but I believe I speak for 98% of atheists who know that ridding the world of all religions would not stop resource based violence.
What it would do is make reasoning with each other more likely, more possible.
Right now, religion keeps the Israelies going, and that has fueled muslims over the decades to grow extremist groups to counter it, and most are so blinded by the idea of the "holy" war, they cant even see anything but "evil" of the other side.
@KaptajnKaffe Atheism is part of the solution, but nationalism and "ethnicism" (I just made that up) are just as problematic in this case. If there was more intermarriage, if the 2 cultures and ethnicities literally became one, if people on either side were family, then there would be no conflict. I'm surprised that there are arab men willing to date jewish women in the region, they must be quite secular and nonreligious. We need more unions like that.
YEah, I don't understand this israel worship that the US does. You criticize any of the military, you don't support the troops. You criticize Israel in the slightest, you're a jew hating nazi... I have a video of the topic.
I live in San Fran and there are all more conservative areas for sure, but it's not as bad as going into the deep south where I've also lived.
Operation Cast Lead was an eye opener. It is interesting how criticism of Israel is seen as controversial, many of the atheists on here wont discuss it.
Its good and its more in line with Jusaisim than Zionisim. Actually I see Zionisim as a Radical Jews, Hamas & Al-queda are Radical Muslims, & Christian Conservatives are Radical Christians. The Tragedy is less about religion than Humanity as neither of the Books advocate, the Radical Views. They perportrate this on those with low self-esteem, & it would seem little Reasoning Power. Your a Good Athiest Jew & YOUR presence, moral reasoning & indignation at Israel agrees with Torah, Tanak & Talmund
I have a Book? Theres not many religions I haven't studied, I like to know what motivates mankind, all of them. Your rethoric denies the Fact that this man grew up in a Jewish Home. I simply pointed out the fact that the morals he is expressing and his conviction to them, were based in the Jewish "Holy" Books. You want to assume that this mans parents taught him nothing and that he above all men was not influenced by his upbring, His parents taught him nothing? What are you saying about this man
@bjaupgrade Your last sentence is incorrect, if I were saying anything about how his upbringings were, it would be said more about his parents then him if I thought they taught him nothing
I dont see how I would be insulting him if I said he gained alot of his beliefs and convictions today independent of his family
Even then, since almost nobody follows the holy books closely, and he said his family wasnt fundamentalist, its likely they raised him with many things atheists would be raised with
Waltermh111, your religion of athesism is very much like all others it makes those that believe it think their Dogma makes them superior to others. I read your post here, you sound like any religionist arguing, and rediculing those who do not think like you. Are you better than them? Their religion tells them the same yours does and thats why your spewing, that you have it all figured out, you and those who think like you are right all others are wrong, Instead of christian. Now spew hate back.
I'm an atheist, and I would like to see everyone put down their weapons and their holy books and start talking to each other honestly. IF I was religious, if I thought that MY religion was right and every other religion was wrong, I would not come to the same conclusion. Is that hateful? Is that atheist fanaticism?
You do your religion is Atheisim and you defend it and your belief much the same as any other Religionist, after so many comments I still dont think you've listened to yourself, you're saying the same thing as any other Religionist, Your Athiest Dogma is Right and all other Religions fail to understand that, You think a Muslim, Jew or Christian dosent think the same about his religious Dogma? And YOU do think your Religion is RIGHT. and have come to the same conclusion Better off without them?!!
If a person of any religion does not like what they're own religious dogma declares, then why do they continue to belong to their religion? If you call not believing in anything until it's existence is appropriately demonstrated a religious behavior, then I am totally confused by your use of the word.
Then they go by thier own conscience. you are not addressing my points your trying to reinterpet them. I think Athiest are no different than religionist. I gave my reasons. You have a belief in a Dogma, Atheisism, your approach, defense of, and rethoric concerning Athiesim is the same as religionist. & you believe in lots of things, your stating your beliefs in your VIds. How can you be an Athiest and not believe in Atheisim? Oh you think a Dieity is required for a Religion? You look up the Word
@bjaupgrade You made assertions. What Dogma do I adhere to? What Rhtoric do I use that's religious? And sure i believe a lot of things, I'm not a nihilist, does that automatically make me religious? I'm sure what you mean by "believing in Atheism". Such a thing exists . . . . there are Atheists therefore Atheism is real . . . I'll grant that if that's what you mean. There are religions without gods, Buddhism is a popular example, which leave Atheism a bit nondescript.
@kalin666 ... " I'm an atheist, and I would like to see everyone put down their weapons and their holy books and start talking to each other honestly. "
@bjaupgrade ah, dang, this one is rich, your one of those atheism is a religion types, the ones who dont know how to access a dictionary or call anything a god, again, without concern for a dictionarys existance.
First, you would have to know what dogma means, then tell is what our dogma is and where it comes from?
Second, ridiculing others who do not think like me? What? Where?
By saying you think your interpretation is correct like everybody else does?
@waltermh111 - atheists always mention God more than the people that believe. Here is a tip for all of you "atheists" out there; you first have to believe in God, to believe that God does not exist.
I think Zionism is a position that any Jew should take if they read the Torah, not just the extremists. Much like a war against infidels is called for by any muslim in the Quran, and aggressive conversion of nonbelievers by any christian in the bible. My position comes from NOT taking the Torah seriously. I don't take the Torah seriously because I don't think Yahweh is real, so I draw my conclusions on present day facts instead of a promise of land to an ancient tribe.
Never said you were hateful, love the Vid, Im not interested in if you believe in any G-d, its existence, its non-existence. Saying that your Ethics and morals expressed in the Film are rooted in your upbringing really seems to anger you. As I said to your Athiest friend, yours is just another form of the same religions, ment to make its adherants feel superior to others. All expressing your belief, as if it ALONE is the way for mankind to live. So I class atheisim as any other Religion. Peace!
I feel your frustration. I don't think anyone should be allowed to displace other people from their land because an imaginary being told them it was OK. This is a prime example of how religion keeps fights going that could easily be solved otherwise.
@holybabble I'm an atheist, why would I keep kosher? And you are right, by Jewish Law I am still considered Jewish. Catholics do much the same thing, unless you're excommunicated, they got your soul!
@runner784 that's a pretty popular conspiracy theory in the Muslim world. It's a bit self defeating too, if it were true, then modern Jews would be close cousins to Persians and Turks. The Iranians would be like, "Damnit, they're family, we have to talk them out of this foolishness and make amends." Though the Jews did intermarry a bit during the Diaspora (not that much) DNA shows they're closely related to the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese, surprise surprise.
Sad world we live in when somebody can say they deserve a piece of land because something they cant prove says so and it trumps all else, including the thing you cant prove.
look 4 this watch?v=OnypjRLYZnY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Descr1ptioN 9 months ago
@Descr1ptioN oh yeah?? then watch this. /watch?v=wyf5VBsWF3c
MegaLebanon100 9 months ago
ok uh are you Jewish or not? You seem to have trouble making up your mind.
PILMAN 1 year ago
@PILMAN are you asking about my family's ethnic origins or my personal religious beliefs?
kalin666 1 year ago
Funny that while u were talkin i literally said "shut up fag" n then clicked on somethin else n then came back to the video n posted this! lol
ahmadrabah24 1 year ago
Dude your not Antisemetic Jews are Just trying to become a poor minority. The fact that they already own the media.
Some Jews In Australia were caught defacing their shopfront with swastikas and entisemetic spraypainting by Security cameras from other Busineses. Busted. Antisemetism is a myth. Its grously Overexagerated.
teslaglobal 1 year ago
@teslaglobal It's not a myth, I've personally encountered a few people in the states who used the term "Jew" for "haggle" without thinking there was anything wrong with it. "He really Jewed me down in price." It's similar to using the term Gypsy to describe drifters performing larceny or other illegal acts. Pretending to be persecuted, as in the case you're describing, it despicable and convolutes the larger issues of mistrust between ethnic groups.
kalin666 1 year ago
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fuck all religions simple
hambone9119 1 year ago
I agree with this video.
SecularTechnology 1 year ago
search Pashtuns are jews
see what they say
that would open new doors......
It makes hte taliban go "dammit, they're family, there's no way we can nuke that kaffir israel"
runner784 1 year ago
@runner784 aren't most Pashtuns Muslim now?
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 well, in race wise
the study was done by comaparing genes from Pashtuns and Ashkenazi jews and they found out that Pashtuns and Ashkenazi jews are infact very related and the fact the Pashtuns are descendnats of israelite jews that converted to christianity then islam...
runner784 1 year ago
at 1:50, when you are listing things attributable to the State of Israel, you didn't mention "terrorist" among the verbs used. Remember that the Palestinians are a "semitic people" this according to Lillenthal, a notable person to me, that is of Jewish descent. When God comes to my door, knocks, says "hey there, I AM GOD" and proves it to me emphatically, then He says "see these scumbags over here? They are your master". Then I will think about bowing a knee. Only THINK about it mind you.
UBER069 1 year ago
@UBER069 I use terms like terrorism to describe the militarily ineffective but civilian terrorizing crimes committed by a group of people unaffiliated with a government. The actions of a nation state, however cruel or criminal, fall under a different category.
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 - terrorism is terrorism. Just like calling a whore by any other name is still a whore, thief is a thief, except we call those politicians.
UBER069 1 year ago
Definitely the situation will change in Iran. People in Iran would be the final winners of this bullshit game for certain.
rfathzadeh 1 year ago
@rfathzadeh that's good, it seems this upcoming generation in Iran is a bit fed up with their theocracy. I'd love to see the emergence of a secular scientific persia . . . . again. The rest of the world is poorer from their isolation.
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 those DNA studiese are fixed
they have one genetic testing which reaveals them to have alot of r1a y chromosonal Dna, which lacks among middle eastern people but common among eastern europeans and turkic people....
runner784 1 year ago
I as a muslim from Iran totally agree with what you mentioned in the last 10 seconds or something. I really liked it and it is really what happens when religious and politics mix up! Goddamn it, we have this situation in Iran too presently.
rfathzadeh 1 year ago
@rfathzadeh do you think those protesters are going to get anywhere, or do you think it'll be several decades before Iran becomes more secular?
kalin666 1 year ago
Hey Kalin, I really like your vids! Totally respect your thoughts! My question for ya is completely and totally off this subject. But you're dealing with something like me--going bald fast. I noticed in vids from just like 3 years ago you had a lot more hair and now the top is basically gone. I'm rapidly losing mine as well. How did YOU deal with it? I apologize if you've talked about this in your q&a vids and I missed it. Thanks again for the awesome vids!
vjon11 1 year ago
@vjon11 I shave my head :) I don't really care too much, but that may be because I watched a lot of Star Trek TNG and Patrick Stewart is awesome.
kalin666 1 year ago
good to see you back kalin :)
toprankingsound 1 year ago
Calling someone anti-Semitic was like telling someone they didn't support the troops or were unpatriotic during the bush years. Everyone was scared to say anything even if the statement couldn't be further from the truth. I think the president of Israel is being anti-Semitic because he is hurting the reputation of his people and fueling more anger which means that more of his people will die in suicide attacks and bombing. Also Arabs are Semitic peoples too.
anubis2814 1 year ago
@anubis2814 that's true, arabs are Semitic. I wouldn't use the term anti-semitic to describe the Israeli government's actions, it's nationalistic in that they want an entirely Jewish state and they use religion to justify that nationalism. Our country did something along the same lines during the Bush administration and we invaded Afghanistan (defensible) and then Iraq (totally unrelated). France spoke up, and what did we do? Freedom Fries. sigh . . . .
kalin666 1 year ago
I think Israel is wasting its emotional clout on these settlements as well as it's invasions. It is shooting itself in the foot because for so long it could do no wrong to America that now its acting like it really can do no wrong. They will push it to the point that the public gets so pissed at them that they finally cut them off. They are an American subsidized state for reasons listed in my latest video about Republicans and socialism
anubis2814 1 year ago
not many atheists criticize israel....
mainly israel has alot with conspiracy theories
most people who fallow those theories are monotheists
runner784 1 year ago
Your videos may be few and far between, but I'm rarely, if ever, disappointed when you get the time to post. Rated, favorited.
egolayer13 1 year ago
atheists, agnostics and liberals, I agree HarOLD
hquillin 1 year ago
ya mass effect 2 is a harsh mistress, you are clearly making sense here. I myself noticed a sort of granted respect for all things related to the Jewish people and Israel growing up with Catholic/Protestant parents. There was just this idea that they were now beyond any kind of reproach due to what they had endured. Of course, viewing that nation free of religious connotations, It could be in better shape lol to say the least.
Karozy 1 year ago
The whole "criticism = anti-semetism" is because vocal Jewish representation inside of the US is represented almost entirely by a group known as AIPAC, and moderates like Jon Stewart barely talk about the subject.
In California we have this thing called "Orange County". And, of course, Stanford, which is close to S.F. is host to plenty of conservative minded people.
There is a group called "J-street". Perhaps they can help.
websnarf 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo ex-muslim, damn, try to keep your head on your shoulders! Jews considered atheists merely as fools or as a phase that teenagers eventually grow out of, no mandatory killing is required :) Family gathering can't be comfortable for you.
kalin666 1 year ago
Indeed ★★★★★
Katalyzt 1 year ago
It's the right wing conservative fanatics, as you pointed out, that believe that Israel can do no wrong and that ANYTHING said against Israel is anti semetic. I'm frustrated too my friend. All we can do is keep speaking out against religious fanatacism. Keep up the good work!
julzabro 1 year ago
Sounds familiar. Reminds me of the authoritarian definition of the "axis of evil", "preemptive warfare", "who is not with us is against us", "terror" ;)
So, the Jewish politicians are just the elite of the elite and do not take part in fair wordings ;)
uncertaintyprinciple 1 year ago
@uncertaintyprinciple I wouldn't use the word "elite", that describes them as being the most educated or otherwise top of their field. They're simply ultra nationalist and use religion to justify it.
kalin666 1 year ago
Wonderful video!
jay666KJ 1 year ago
Ya tribals aren't tats that belong in the 90's at all...... PPFFTT bbbaahahhhaah
myjizzureye 1 year ago
everyone's a critic, blame the artist then it was his design :P
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 Was he wearing camo pants with skate shoes cause that might explain a lot (^.o)
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye uh . . . no
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 A wig and heels then perhaps? Thats what im wearing right now (^.o)
myjizzureye 1 year ago
I personally don't see it as a religious dispute. Israel is hardly 45% or lower religious, and secular and religious political factions clash all the time there. I spent almost a year in Jerusalem - the more religious city - and Tel Aviv is a very different place. It might have more to do with mandatory military service and all the wars they fought that tell them "defend at all costs" even if in reality it is aggression. They should return all captured land to the Palestinians, it's only fair.
AnticDispossession 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession Actually,, there have been many interviews with the military and public officials which admit that its a religious crusade, that the land is theirs and other hateful things.
Really, they are not an ashamed people about their beliefs.
Also, While its true that secular and religious clash, religious have been winning and in control for decades, with very small times of secular control.
washingtonpost . com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/20/AR2009032003463.html
waltermh111 1 year ago
@waltermh111 - Sorry if I disagree. There are many who think the land is theirs, but they vary from the secular to very religious, and the justification is usually because they will be vulnerable if they return the West Bank and Gaza. On a cultural level I think this is allowed to happen because of the many Israeli wars, and the history of Jewish persecution which says so. But their enemies don't have standing armies today. On some level they're still fighting for legitimacy with force.
AnticDispossession 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession
What secular group thinks the land is theres?
As far as the vulnerable part, by now thats irrelevent since one of the impitus for the swarm to that area is their divine right.
They were only given a small land by the muslims a century ago and after WW1 or 2, they started acting like it was their time to have the holy land back.
But fact is, if secular groups think the west bak is so dangerous, you dont build settlements on it, you build bases only.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@waltermh111 - The Israeli right is not very religious. The Israeli left is not religious. In fact the religious have their own viewpoints and parties in the Knesset and it doesn't come down to religious or not. Like I said, 45% or less of Israel follows traditional Judaism. They are secular. I don't think anyone uses the argument of the bible and is taken seriously - instead they believe the West Bank was captured in a war and giving it back would be dangerous. Yes, people build settlements.
AnticDispossession 1 year ago
@waltermh111 - My point is, why would a mostly secular Israel continue to vote for a religious idea. It's because they don't occupy the Palestinian areas out of religion. They do it because of fear of suicide bombs, fear of fighting future wars, and for the settlers who stubbornly planted themselves over the green line. The settlers - the ones who make Jewish neighborhoods over the line, are religious however. And the government feels obligated to protect them as Israeli citizens.
AnticDispossession 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession Wow, this is old, but work calmed down and i was checking through my emails.
I see enough interviews with Israeli solders and politicians to know what they think. I followed this somewhat close for the last few years.
I dont think West Bank is a religious issue. Them having that land in general, and Jeruselum specifically, is a religious issue, and they have so much as said so on personal accounts.
Maybe the fundie movement isnt in charge, and not saying every ...
waltermh111 1 year ago
@AnticDispossession decision is religion based, in fact most arent.
They have been living in a state of war for so many generations all they know is hate and/or fear.
Religion does fuel many of their passions though, and the conservative movement there is clearly religious. 45% religious is quite large, and close to, if not larger then the conservative group in the US.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@GrudgyDiablo
Well, as an Ex-Muslim you must be against both the Palestinian and Jewish extremist.
but yea, Israel must pay for their crimes that they have done through their existence. But I also think that the Palestinian extremist must pay for all of their crimes...
In the end I just wanted to know, do you agree that the solution would be atheism?
If the religion was gone, we would have peace- or am I totally wrong?
KaptajnKaffe 1 year ago
@KaptajnKaffe I am not Kalin, but I believe I speak for 98% of atheists who know that ridding the world of all religions would not stop resource based violence.
What it would do is make reasoning with each other more likely, more possible.
Right now, religion keeps the Israelies going, and that has fueled muslims over the decades to grow extremist groups to counter it, and most are so blinded by the idea of the "holy" war, they cant even see anything but "evil" of the other side.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@KaptajnKaffe Atheism is part of the solution, but nationalism and "ethnicism" (I just made that up) are just as problematic in this case. If there was more intermarriage, if the 2 cultures and ethnicities literally became one, if people on either side were family, then there would be no conflict. I'm surprised that there are arab men willing to date jewish women in the region, they must be quite secular and nonreligious. We need more unions like that.
kalin666 1 year ago
YEah, I don't understand this israel worship that the US does. You criticize any of the military, you don't support the troops. You criticize Israel in the slightest, you're a jew hating nazi... I have a video of the topic.
I live in San Fran and there are all more conservative areas for sure, but it's not as bad as going into the deep south where I've also lived.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
Operation Cast Lead was an eye opener. It is interesting how criticism of Israel is seen as controversial, many of the atheists on here wont discuss it.
cheekydance 1 year ago
Have you read The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein? It is basically about what you are saying.
Mjhavok 1 year ago
Norman Finkelstein is the shit.
Mjhavok 1 year ago
5/5 + 1/5 = 3/5?
MisterScrutinizer 1 year ago
Its good and its more in line with Jusaisim than Zionisim. Actually I see Zionisim as a Radical Jews, Hamas & Al-queda are Radical Muslims, & Christian Conservatives are Radical Christians. The Tragedy is less about religion than Humanity as neither of the Books advocate, the Radical Views. They perportrate this on those with low self-esteem, & it would seem little Reasoning Power. Your a Good Athiest Jew & YOUR presence, moral reasoning & indignation at Israel agrees with Torah, Tanak & Talmund
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade Everybody always thinks they have the right interpretation of their holy book, including you.
Thats a fault of the terrible books, none are clear except to the person reading it.
waltermh111 1 year ago
I have a Book? Theres not many religions I haven't studied, I like to know what motivates mankind, all of them. Your rethoric denies the Fact that this man grew up in a Jewish Home. I simply pointed out the fact that the morals he is expressing and his conviction to them, were based in the Jewish "Holy" Books. You want to assume that this mans parents taught him nothing and that he above all men was not influenced by his upbring, His parents taught him nothing? What are you saying about this man
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade Going back over old comments now that I have more time, so ignore if too old to matter, but feel like getting things off my mind.
You spoke for religion as if you have the proper intepretation.
You even think that Kalins views match all the books, which many people, atheist and theist would disagree with.
You need to show less bias if your interested in understanding humanity better.
I also didnt say enough to be considered rhetoric, why throw words out so lightly.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade To say you have an opinion your sure is right is whetoric? lol
Its just truth.
Next, what did I say that would matter to whether Kalin was raised in a Jewish home?
I was raised in a catholic home.
My morals and convictions arent any more related to catholic upbringing than his are to jewish upbringing.
You could ask us this before assuming also.
I was taught alot by my family, and its a good thing I broke away from most of it.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade Your last sentence is incorrect, if I were saying anything about how his upbringings were, it would be said more about his parents then him if I thought they taught him nothing
I dont see how I would be insulting him if I said he gained alot of his beliefs and convictions today independent of his family
Even then, since almost nobody follows the holy books closely, and he said his family wasnt fundamentalist, its likely they raised him with many things atheists would be raised with
waltermh111 1 year ago
Waltermh111, your religion of athesism is very much like all others it makes those that believe it think their Dogma makes them superior to others. I read your post here, you sound like any religionist arguing, and rediculing those who do not think like you. Are you better than them? Their religion tells them the same yours does and thats why your spewing, that you have it all figured out, you and those who think like you are right all others are wrong, Instead of christian. Now spew hate back.
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
I'm an atheist, and I would like to see everyone put down their weapons and their holy books and start talking to each other honestly. IF I was religious, if I thought that MY religion was right and every other religion was wrong, I would not come to the same conclusion. Is that hateful? Is that atheist fanaticism?
kalin666 1 year ago
You do your religion is Atheisim and you defend it and your belief much the same as any other Religionist, after so many comments I still dont think you've listened to yourself, you're saying the same thing as any other Religionist, Your Athiest Dogma is Right and all other Religions fail to understand that, You think a Muslim, Jew or Christian dosent think the same about his religious Dogma? And YOU do think your Religion is RIGHT. and have come to the same conclusion Better off without them?!!
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
If a person of any religion does not like what they're own religious dogma declares, then why do they continue to belong to their religion? If you call not believing in anything until it's existence is appropriately demonstrated a religious behavior, then I am totally confused by your use of the word.
kalin666 1 year ago
Then they go by thier own conscience. you are not addressing my points your trying to reinterpet them. I think Athiest are no different than religionist. I gave my reasons. You have a belief in a Dogma, Atheisism, your approach, defense of, and rethoric concerning Athiesim is the same as religionist. & you believe in lots of things, your stating your beliefs in your VIds. How can you be an Athiest and not believe in Atheisim? Oh you think a Dieity is required for a Religion? You look up the Word
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade You made assertions. What Dogma do I adhere to? What Rhtoric do I use that's religious? And sure i believe a lot of things, I'm not a nihilist, does that automatically make me religious? I'm sure what you mean by "believing in Atheism". Such a thing exists . . . . there are Atheists therefore Atheism is real . . . I'll grant that if that's what you mean. There are religions without gods, Buddhism is a popular example, which leave Atheism a bit nondescript.
kalin666 1 year ago
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@kalin666 ... " I'm an atheist, and I would like to see everyone put down their weapons and their holy books and start talking to each other honestly. "
totaly agree with that ...
MrTBSC 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade ah, dang, this one is rich, your one of those atheism is a religion types, the ones who dont know how to access a dictionary or call anything a god, again, without concern for a dictionarys existance.
First, you would have to know what dogma means, then tell is what our dogma is and where it comes from?
Second, ridiculing others who do not think like me? What? Where?
By saying you think your interpretation is correct like everybody else does?
waltermh111 1 year ago
@waltermh111 - atheists always mention God more than the people that believe. Here is a tip for all of you "atheists" out there; you first have to believe in God, to believe that God does not exist.
UBER069 1 year ago
I think Zionism is a position that any Jew should take if they read the Torah, not just the extremists. Much like a war against infidels is called for by any muslim in the Quran, and aggressive conversion of nonbelievers by any christian in the bible. My position comes from NOT taking the Torah seriously. I don't take the Torah seriously because I don't think Yahweh is real, so I draw my conclusions on present day facts instead of a promise of land to an ancient tribe.
kalin666 1 year ago
Never said you were hateful, love the Vid, Im not interested in if you believe in any G-d, its existence, its non-existence. Saying that your Ethics and morals expressed in the Film are rooted in your upbringing really seems to anger you. As I said to your Athiest friend, yours is just another form of the same religions, ment to make its adherants feel superior to others. All expressing your belief, as if it ALONE is the way for mankind to live. So I class atheisim as any other Religion. Peace!
bjaupgrade 1 year ago
@bjaupgrade it's just not true, I disagree with my parents on a great many things, this is one of them.
kalin666 1 year ago
Absolutely right.
"Give me your wallet!"
"WTF! Why?"
"God said all your wallets are belong to us. Your car too."
"..." 0_0'
CreatureOfLegend 1 year ago
BTW, thanks for starting this conversation, and I'm glad you're back.
ManicEightBall 1 year ago
Agree, kalin666, this is the only subscription I have, Just seems like he is talking to me. HarOLD
hquillin 1 year ago
I feel your frustration. I don't think anyone should be allowed to displace other people from their land because an imaginary being told them it was OK. This is a prime example of how religion keeps fights going that could easily be solved otherwise.
ManicEightBall 1 year ago
Eh, good ole' Israel. =(
djzapz 1 year ago
i didn't know you were..lol..are jewish. do you still subscribe to most of the kosher stuff?
it seems to me that israel's biggest problem is real estate issues. but closely following that, we can find religion.
holybabble 1 year ago
@holybabble I'm an atheist, why would I keep kosher? And you are right, by Jewish Law I am still considered Jewish. Catholics do much the same thing, unless you're excommunicated, they got your soul!
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 i have freethinking jewish friends whom still do stay pretty kosher. it doesn't have to be about god...it's a culture first.
(you really should have worn a couple long braids for the video man)
holybabble 1 year ago
@holybabble Payis are dumb, and I love bacon.
kalin666 1 year ago
or C this land of Israel is not in the hands of the true israelis because it's rulers are Khazars..
runner784 1 year ago
@runner784 that's a pretty popular conspiracy theory in the Muslim world. It's a bit self defeating too, if it were true, then modern Jews would be close cousins to Persians and Turks. The Iranians would be like, "Damnit, they're family, we have to talk them out of this foolishness and make amends." Though the Jews did intermarry a bit during the Diaspora (not that much) DNA shows they're closely related to the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese, surprise surprise.
kalin666 1 year ago
Its fucking dirt! DIRT! When will humanity will grow up and realize this? Its depressing.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago 2
@TheAtheistPaladin
But its holy dirt, lol
T_T
Sad world we live in when somebody can say they deserve a piece of land because something they cant prove says so and it trumps all else, including the thing you cant prove.
But what can ya do.
waltermh111 1 year ago