What happens to all those hundreds of little peew peews that seem to be missing the small targets? Do they just fly on, endlessly, until they smack into something?
Seems to me like a few well aimed classic beam phasers is a hell of a lot more effective than this spray and pray mess.
@BlackMasterRoshi If they're anything like lasers, they'll go on just about indefinitely, but won't hit anything for a while as that's how space is. Also, this is as early in the timeline as it gets (Kirk's only just getting his ship) so this could be the primitive phaser, and the beam is the newer one, but not as fun to use in special effects.
Everybody's focusing on the weapon inconsistencies but nobody seems to pick up on the fact that the weapons are somehow making noise in space, and this is, in fact, impossible.
I guess it depends on the perspective and it that moment we were seeing it from the perspective of the ships, because when it was a scene with humans being sucked into space the sound disappeared.
@MrFalconfly Well for one, ships can't "hear" at all. For two, sound simply can't happen in space.
For those who spent too much time watching Star Trek instead of listening to their high school physics teacher: "sound" is an oscillation of pressure through a medium of solid, liquid, or gas and there are literally no such mediums in the vacuum of space, because space is a vacuum.
It worries me that people spend time talking about plot inconsistencies and not scientific inconsistencies.
@MrFalconfly Would this scene be as exciting without the flashy lights?
No?
Then there you have why they "changed" the weapons the Enterprise has at its disposal.
If you're gonna cast the whole thing away with "it's for entertainment purposes and you shouldn't give a crap about that", then who really cares at that point about plot inconsistencies in the weapon layout of the Enterprise-D?
@MrFalconfly Fair enough point, I made a mistake. Doesn't invalidate my point that if you're watching this whole thing for entertainment purposes, there's no point picking mistakes in the plot (especially when it's a remake of an older series) while ignoring mistakes in the reality of the film.
Well I am not one of those guys going "oh no they changed everything".
I actually like many of the changes and I can see a good sense in using a CIWS system instead of those original Beam phasers (just to name an example).
@MrFalconfly The Beam phasers demonstrated the ability to precisely target and shoot down multiple high-speed warheads at thousands of kilometers range.
These pulse shots are missing at a few hundreds of meters.
OK so the CIWS system missed a couple of times? So what? All the targets were destroyed. As opposed to the beam phasers which were shown to be ineffective against the Narada's missile spam (granted they had a 100% hit ratio, but they weren't fast enough to acquire and destroy every missile, sometimes spray-and-pray is preferable to one-shot-one-kill).
@MrFalconfly Only because the phasers in the new film had a slow firing rate and no proximity mode. The TOS Enterprise could also go to Warp straight backwards to avoid impossible situations, (Balance of terror) Had an effective anti-missile point defense, (For The World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky) and fire torpedoes very quickly. (Elaan of Troyus)
Your earlier point about the CWIS being more effective than the original beams is demonstratably false.
Well the phasers are now a sort of Point-Defense CIWS weapon since 100% target destruction with a few misses is better than 100% hits with a few of the targets getting through.
And those are Photon-torpedoes (according to Word of God). They just sound a bit lower calipered than I remember from TNG and Voy (which were the ones I saw given my relatively young age).
@MrFalconfly Actually phasers in the beginning were fired in pulses, especially on the episode "Balance of Terror." Even the hand units also fired a phaser pulse without the steady beam to ensure the person is stunned. These includes episodes like on "Spock's Brain" and "Whom Gods Destroy."
So pulsing phasers isn't restricted to Star Trek 2 or the Defiant.
I have no idea of how things were in all the other movies (the only other Star Trek movie I have seen would be First Contact). I only deduced the changes by comparing what I saw in TNG to what I saw here.
Well according to the extra material on the BD Special Edition they are Photon Torpedoes.
I guess that's the reason they sound slightly higher pitched than the ones from the different series. They downsized the torpedoes for increased carrying capacity. Just like USA kept with 12.7mm MG's instead of fitting larger 20mm cannons on their fighters.
@MrFalconfly False? American fighters have been standardized with 20mm cannons for the last 50 years. And if you are referring to WW2 era, early fighters actually had .30 calibre machine guns as the standard. America increased to .50 because .30 was deemed ineffective.
And yes they started off with 7.62mm MGs but so did everyone else. Thing is thought that almost everybody (except USA) began to fit 20mm Cannons on their fighters (Messerschmitts, Focke-Wulfs, Spitfires, Hurricanes, Zeroes, you name it). USA though kept at the 12.7mm MGs for increased carrying capacity and volume of fire.
The heroic music doesn't really work with the first scene cos the enterprise is wasting its weaponry firing at missiles, but its still a good part of the film
Its not arguing, its basically a bunch of people commenting and this bloke "TheRandyChimp" trolling everyone because their opinions differ from his/her/its.
@locutus12 Yet here we are a week later, with you bringing it up again. I was done with it man, you raised your points, I explained why things had been changed, you didnt respond, I just assumed you realised that none of the things you mentioned mattered.
Stop taking it so personally, Im sure you're a lovely person, I just don't get why you have to be so worked up over a film.
@TheRandyChimp Not to mention every time you shot him down he went into nerdrage and deleted his posts to try to cover it up, Locutus, exactly HOW was Urhura (SP?) portrayed as the 'academy bike' in the movie by the way. I really don't know where you got that impression to be honest.
@McDonaldWilliamT All the stuff he posted as "plotholes" weren't plotholes, they were fan-gripes, which dont count for shit. Spider-man had organic webshooters in the film, didnt make the movie terrible (although looking back, it isn't as good as I thought it was as a kid :P)
@commandermar Because there are to many old farts who think TOS was the best thing ever, when in fact it was god awful. The TOS movies were only mildly better with the Wrath of Khan being the only good one. Star Trek was only good after Gene Roddenbury died.
this movie... killed startrek. 40yrs of history... *poof* gone.
For example: Why is Uhura ordering a Cardassian sunrise? The fed doesnt meet the cardassians till the Next Generation times. First contact was just before picards day and resulted in a small war... Chiefe Obrian speaks of it often.
Second, Vulcan is under attack, and yet the ENTIRE FLEET is "busy" leaving only some rag nose cheesey cadets and an enterprise built by IKEA. So many more problems to boot...
@lcGlHeaD I dont watch films for "special effects"
That’s half the damned problem with Hollywood today and the dumbing down of dialogue across the board for the general masses due to either bad writers or a presumption that the audience are idiots (startrek Nemesis comes to mind)
"lets go see a movie... they spent 450 million on the CGI and 10 dollars on the script"
result: Avatar... otherwise known as “pocahontas in space” and the whole idiot world applauds.
@SCIFIguy64 Special effects do not make movies. Look at the other film, named Star Trek the Motion Picture. More effects, sour reception. At least people still cared about the audience in the 90's.
in CGI terms we have been able to create anything on screen we can imagine since the mid 90`s. The difference now is often we use special effects as a substitue for good writing.
@Idazmi7 - I believe he's referring to the fact that people these days seem to prefer the slap-dash, terribly written excuses to thread together action scenes kind of plots, rather than overarching narratives. This MIGHT work for some other films: it certainly did for Machette, but Star Trek was ALWAYS about the overarching story. It had a heart, a soul, and a sort of moralism to it, that seemed to get lost about midway through TNG when Roddenberry passed away. Trek changed after.
@CaitiVoltaire I noticed. Only a few episodes of late TNG even tried to re-capture the spirit. Also, I was just watching TOS's episode: "A Taste of Armageddon".
The episode dealt with war, bigotry, diplomacy, chain of command, and letting the past stay in the past. It did this all in 45 minutes. Too bad people who see this film don't really get interested in TOS, despite claims. It might do them good.
@SCIFIguy64 90's often had BETTER effects. Jurassic park anyone? Models are almost always preferable to CGI. It always looks better when something is actually in front of the camera.
@locutus12 I agree with you about the over focus on special effects these days in movies, however, with regards to your earlier comment about Kirk being a 'whoremonger' or something to that effect.... dude, did you ever WATCH the original series? Kirk was a skirt chaser in that too, admitted they went about that the wrong way, but he was much younger in the movie so he would have been a lot more 'crude' about how he went after women.
Hi McDonaldWilliamT, I think you may have miss read my posting somewhere, I never said anything about kirk. Indeed Chris Pines performance as a younger captain kirk was about the only nail that got hit on the head for this movie. I moaned about uhuras character being the starfleet academy bike and how no respect was paid to its roots. Hence in answer, yes Ive seen the original series.
Phasers were always beams in TOS. But we wouldn't get ridiculous pew-pew-pew sound effects and overwrought shakey-cam like the camera-man was slamming Absinthe that way! And don't forget the lens flares?
Really, this movie would have done a lot better if they didn't call it Star Trek. It's a decently wrought movie but it only vaguely flirts with anything canon.
@CaitiVoltaire Yeah, it totally would have done WAY better than 385 million in the box office, 4 oscar nominations, 1 oscar win (a first for star trek films might I add) and near universal critical acclaim. Of course, you could say all that's fine, maybe better than fine, but no, you, a classic star trek fan, knows better, amirite?
@TheRandyChimp so basically because jj Abrams put strtrek into a blender and turned it into generic starwars styled scifi mush that stood on the shoulders of 40 years of TV & movie branding, and thus the result was it made lots of money and won awards. and you think this makes a good film?
Quite often in hollywood just because a film is successful does not make it worth watching again for anyone with an I.Q. above a grapefruit.
@locutus12 Hate to bring it up, but considering that I'm studying film and television at university, and therefore have looked into what makes a successful film, Star Trek 2009 pretty much checks all boxes. It had character development, it had a well paced story, it had witty and realistic dialogue, it had a stellar soundtrack. Stop being such a little bitch. It's different from the original series, if it wasn't, it'd be two hours of people fighting other people in rubber skin suits.
@TheRandyChimp Good for you, I qualified in sound engineering 15 years ago, shall we get our accreditations out as you seem to be under the illusion that your opinion is more valid than mine rather than equally valid. I never said I wanted original trek. But this, was a mess for anyone who cares to look at the plot. never mind the history it ruined. Just simply pay attention to the plot and ignore the shiney CGI. You expect plot holes in any movie but this is beyond floored.
@locutus12 I don't think my opinions more valid than anyones, I was just giving you background on why I listed the things I listed. It wasn't a mess at all. Give me examples of these film ruining plot holes.
@locutus12 1) Cardassians, only introduced in Deep Space Nine, but established in Star Trek Lore in the 20th century, 200 years prior est to uhora ordering their drink.
2) That's not a plot hole idiot.
3) Again, not a plot hole moron, a change in the story.
4) Entirely possible, weapons could have been stolen by nero for his little revenge trip. Its not explained, but its not a plot hole.
5) Can you tell me when our suns going to go supernova?
@TheRandyChimp well I did type out 14 points and was happy to discuss them but you still want to be personally abussive so forget it.
Youve got your opinion, ive got mine.
We will see what happens to the takings on the next film.
And f.y.i. a sun goes supernova over several millenia, first going through several phases where by it expands into a red giant. these are established laws. Our will go in 5 billion years give or take, but we will have plenty of warning before hand.
@locutus12 Im abusive because I'm annoyed. You blatantly insult someones work, then offer points which are incorrect as to why you're insulting it. None of the points you made can be classified as plot holes, and all of them have a simple explanation, either within the film itself or by looking on the internet for info. Supernovae are unpredictable, they're natural occurences that we can't always predict. They knew it would happen, but spock says it happens sooner than expected.
@locutus12 7) They gave him as much as they could as insurance.
8) Um, yeah, again, not a plot hole at all, a change.
9) Vulcan isn't known to be under attack, they think its an anomoly in space. The only federation ship that knows is the enterprise, and that's because of Kirks prior knowledge.
Seriously, Look up the meaning of "plot hole", nothing you've listed is a plot hole and can easily be explained.
@locutus12 10) Nero is a huge jackass who spends 23 years on a klingon prison planet brooding and going insane. Prior to this, after the destruction of his planet, he blames the federation for their lack of initiative in helping the people of his planet evacuate. You've proven my point. All the faults you're finding with it are either things you've ignored out of idiocy or things that have been altered that you don't like. Ergo, none of them are film destroying plot holes or problems.
This film was good, not great it had a lot of plot holes but I hated the weapons fire scene. It was more like star wars and not star trek. And whats with that pussy sounding photon torpedo. Hopefully the next will even get better.
They are set to some Point Defense CIWS mode (look at the CIWS Phalanx currently mounted on Nimitz aircraft-carriers) because it's in a bloody hurry and needs to take out a swarm of missiles (the beam mode was used by the Kelvin at the start of the movie and was shown to be ineffective against such a Macross Missile Massacre, hence rapidfire phaser bolts).
@MrFalconfly also of note the romulan ship in the film is in fact made using captured borg technology (its from the future). There was another ship in star trek that used weapons like that specifically to combat the borg (the defiant), considering the timeline changed when the romulan ship appeared and attacked the kelvin it stands to reason similar lessons may have been learnt (which would also explain the differences in enterprise looks) :). That should explain a few things
It's a technique used to convey extreme stress, because it FEELS stressful.
Plus, if the bridge WAS shaking, it'd be because of the intense strain on the engines. Keep in mind that this was the Enterprise's maiden voyage, and they'd just pushed her to maximum warp, only to engage in battle
@RevanRA the blue pulses are micro-photon torpedoes, hence the fact they are blue( JJ wanting it to look like TOS torps) and BTW, all trek rules, JJ just brought the franchise back from the dead, be happy about it!
@subaruscotty Hmm. Micro-photons you say? Interesting. Thanks for your input! I always thought it was a sort of rapid firing pulse weapon as did many others. I guess it makes sense. I am happy about it, unless you meant that in general to all.
@Idazmi7 Well, things change. Besides, this is an alternate reality. I think it'll give JJ some more room for new stories and scenarios. The thing that I question is if "The Wrath of Khan" exists in this reality as it did the prime reality.
@RevanRA Not to mention. It's not like any of this screws up the Prime Reality. All that stuff still happened as it did as we know it. I quite wanna follow this reality a little longer to see where things end up here and how exactly everything works.
in the part where the uss kelvin got massacred and completely owned, i noticed it shooting small blue pulses,i was wondering if that was a phaser cannon? if anyone could give me a plausible answer i would be grateful
@JMcH The phasers were most likely set to a sort of 'bolt' setting. As fixiosis said, it would seem to provide better target hits in a field of debris. The Kelvin had been using phasers on the beam setting at the time of its destruction.
@cadkls The blue pulses are pulse cannons, at least from my understanding of the U.S.S. Kelvin's specs. Also phaser banks.
@Anyone-who-hates-ST09: Stuff it and go back to the Treks you love most. I love all Treks regardless and so do other people. Peace.
@RevanRA Er, I mean it also has phaser banks. Not saying that the pulse cannons are the same as the phaser banks, because their not. :p
Anyways, someone correct me if I'm wrong about the Kelvin's specs. Also it seems that the Kelvin is based on the Hermes-class, even though it has a secondary hull. I really wish "purists" would leave ST09 alone and go away, really. It's not like they really know how time travel works...if they did, we'd have time-traveling DeLoreans.
@JMcH and all those who are saying the phasers are different--
Watch Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, the phasers in that movie worked pretty much the same way--like machine guns(except the bolts here have a new sound effect and are more discontinuous). Obviously you've only been watching TNG era stuff(not saying they are bad).
Plus I love everything about the new Enterprise except the engine room and lens flares.
@Idazmi7 They hit a gigantic floating Starfleet ship commanded by a guy who knows nothing of 23rd century technology and starship fighting tactics. Here those bolts hit high speed small sized moving projectiles without hitting Spock's ship. So yeah, both actually hit something.
btw you really should watchsome more TOS movies, those discontinuous phasers appeared once only because I am pretty sure ENTERPRISE DID NOT FIRE A SINGLE PHASER SHOT AFTERWARDS.
@Idazmi7 how the hell would you know new phasers are turbolasers??? We've seen bolt based phasers before and the word 'turbolaser' was not even muttered in any point in the movie. In the beginning when the Kelvin was attacked the captain ordered'fire phasers' and when Kirk and Scotty beamed aboard the Enterprise and opened the pipes, Spock told the security officers to 'set phasers to stun'. As for the accuracy issue, well maybe the Romulans are jamming them?
@quizzisation No they don't. They are more regular, and are more accurate per shot, ergo, the first, second, tenth, and twenty-first shot land no more than 2 meters apart in a neat line.
@Idazmi7 These shot down all of the Narada's torpedoes mid-flight. Seems accurate enough to me. And there's nothing wrong with the Spray-n-Pray Firing Solution in this case when you don't have time to derive...a proper Firing Solution.
How would you set your guns if the idea was to start shooting immediately after dropping from warp?
@Idazmi7 "Whom" doesn't "re-adjust their aim later" again? And if it's Chekov in this one, how would you know how he did and did not "aim" their weapons? Did you have a good look at their Targeting Scanner Display? And if the Weps Officer decides to spread these phasers a bit on the Narada, what is that to you?
Phasers are Charged Particle Weapons. It's entirely appropriate that they do not always fire in continuous beams so quit pining for the old laaaayzuuur shots.
@RingSight91 The JJprise crew doesn't re-adjust their aim. Look at the comment before mine again: He was guessing that the innacuracy of the phasers was due to the sudden drop from warp speed.
Phasers DO fire in pulses: even the Enterprise-D can do that! However, they don't miss little targets from METERS away. The jjprise phasers actually missed the NARADA in the final scene!
@Idazmi7 I don't see how you can mix "little targets from meters away" and "the Narada" in the same breath. And I don't see where the JJprise misses the Narada anyway. I've got the DVD and viewing after view, they all look like hits on various points of the target to me. And thanks to this thing called size perspective, I estimate the ranges to be in the HUNDREDS of meters away. Any hits beyond 300 m in combat count as "accurate enough", FYI.
@RingSight91 The jjprise misses the Narada several times with phasers, as they are just shooting haphasard everywhere. They miss both times, at both types of targets, and the Narada is effing huge. Compare to this:
/watch?v=7ZG09-M1Hc0&feature=related
Explain why the Enterprise-E is just as accurate against an INVISIBLE and UNSCANABLE target.
@Idazmi7 Are you so seriously mentally-incapacitated that you cannot remember who it was who had her finger on the Enterprise-E's Tactical Station forming a Firing Solution on the cloaked target? It was Counselor Troi, who was TELEPATHICALLY LINKED to the also telepathic Reman Viceroy aboard the Scimitar. SHE FOUND the target WITHOUT using sensors. I have that DVD too!
And quit effing exaggerating and GTFO troll! The jjprise landed hits where it counted and that's good enough in combat.
@KrinkutAlliance Seeing as he didn't even know what "IIRC" meant until someone spelled it out for him, he's either seriously old (and older than I am and I actually saw WoK in theatre as a kid) and set in his ways. or a serious social recluse with an ADD problem, or both. Either way not worth wasting our time over anymore. All I know is, watching this movie in an IMAX theatre rocked!
@RingSight91 I'm not exagerating. And, just a caveat, the Narada cannot be partly Borg technology. The JJprise is STILL innacurate against a multi kilometer long, stationary target.
You calling me mentaly-incapacitated does not ring of intelligence. It just makes you annoying.
@Idazmi7 - I wouldn't bother arguing with an individual whose responses are mostly consisting of personal attacks, they are obviously incapable of holding proper intellectual debate.
I actually enjoyed the movie at the time of seeing it at the theater, though I found it incredibly cheesy at parts (especially the sound design, which really shows in this scene). But that doesn't make it a good Star Trek movie, and I'd honestly forgotten mostly about it until stumbling along these clips.
@CaitiVoltaire Agreed. I, however, cannot forget the stupid parts. I'm a hardcore trekkie, and so is my mom. We both enjoyed it, but some elements are the kind of stuff I find pretty much unforgivable. Kirk's new personality, the new look for the Enterprise, inside and out: Blech. Lack of a sensible moral: Blech. Music: okay until it got repetitive.
Kung Fu Panda 2 has the same plot as this movie, just better.
@Idazmi7 - I actually though the guy who did McCoy played the part well and the actual look of the Enterprise was good (though the phaser effects OHMYGOD the phaser effects were terrible.)
But I have to agree re: Kirk and the lack of overarching story/moral/etc. The characters playing the new Kirk and Spock did so very poorly IMO, the characters were bland and I didn't emapthise with either of them, which is important. If you don't care about the characters, why watch?
@CaitiVoltaire Indeed, McCoy was perfect. The main three characters: Kirk, Spock, and Uhura were written terribly. I think Quinto *could* make a pretty good Spock with a better writer, he seems like he was actually trying to act.
I hated the new ship: The shape of the engineering hull was outright daft, while ship-to-Warp-Nacelle ratio was extremely overexaggerated. Scotty joking as if the engines were boobs didn't help any. Even the wackiest Star Trek ships have a "realistic" look.
@Idazmi7 - Eh, the design of the ship didnt bother me so much as the fact that it seemed incongruent. You have some parts of the ship that you see which look very .. "old fashioned" TOS-y while others, such as the bridge, try to look very high-techy and such and altogether looked very slapdash internally. Externally I wasn't very bothered: to be honest I didnt notice the ratio until you pointed it out, though I see what you mean when I look back on it.
@CaitiVoltaire As for the new Enterprise, It ALL should have looked more functional, like ANY kind of large transport. A boat, an airplane, a space shuttle: Anything except the overlit "command bridge".
@Idazmi7 remember to keep THIS version of trek in it's own universe. things turned out a little different than in the prime universe. all the characters have different feelings and emotions. this universe is more relate able than the prime universe, with it's high and mighty "military uniforms of the 20th century were costumes" and "wealth is no longer a driving factor in our lives" attitude. spock was beautifully written. how he is developed going forwards is what's going to count.
@simpsonfan13 I can see you never watched the true TOS. The Enterprise classic is canon as a Type-I Battlecruiser. Constitution Class Explorer is a fan designation.
@simpsonfan13 The one where you said: "this universe is more relate able than the prime universe, with it's high and mighty "military uniforms of the 20th century were costumes" and "wealth is no longer a driving factor in our lives" attitude."
@Idazmi7 I can see you never watched TOS either, as the Constitution designation of the Enterprise did in fact exist in the original series, it was on one of the technical read outs Scotty was reading. Though illegible, it was later confirmed that was the class designation.
@ChampionSheWolf Actually it was the Federation's finest warship, the Type I Battlecruiser, affectionately nicknamed the Starship. (Enterprise Incident)
@Idazmi7 Starship class was a designation because they never named it officially at the time. However, the name does appear on the phaser schematics, and the Star Trek tech manual got privy to this information, as there was no original intent to actually naming the starship classes in Star Trek. Just another wild flight of fancy of people that people believe Star Trek had this super wild plan beyond what was on set.
@ChampionSheWolf They named it the Type I Battlecruiser. It's even clearly visible on a schematic behind Scotty as he speaks. The Romulans feared it. The Klingons respected it.
As fo "great plans beyond the screen", Look at this moral-lacking Star Wars ripoff of a movie. The "Great Plan" was for Paramount to milk the franchise to death. They did. Ans TOS was the best Star Trek series: it still has the most Hugo and Emmy awards combined.
@Idazmi7 Sorry to say it, but as much as I liked TOS, (Favorite Episode being Immunity Syndrome) I still think the 09 movie was something that was kinda needed, to bring 'Trek' to a newer generation, as a result, some things had to be changed around a little and you can't please everyone.
@ChampionSheWolf " can see you never watched TOS either, as the Constitution designation of the Enterprise did in fact exist in the original series, it was on one of the technical read outs Scotty was reading."
@Idazmi7 although the giant nacelles WERE annoying. slim them down a bit and it would look MUCH better. and scotty's joke bothered you? give me a break.
@CaitiVoltaire lets wait and see what happens in the sequel. they were all new to SF (except Spock) and a good deal younger than their prime versions so it's expected that they wouldn't be as mature. as far as the phaser effects, that was a phaser micro burst. it's a setting that's although not often used IS possible. i think the D uses it in an episode of TNG, although it of course doesn't look exactly like that. i also liked how some of the sound was muted in space.
@CaitiVoltaire The phaser effects indeed seems inspired from Star Wars rather than Star Trek..and they wasn't even correct torpedo shots in ST 2009 ! (with exception of the Narada's but hey)
@quizzisation Sorry, but I grew up with the original cast films. WoK is one of my favorite movies, in fact. If you go to ~2:43 in this video: watch?v=o0J9S7TI4rs, you can see the phasers from Khan. Not quite that similar. However, I'm pretty satisfied with the explanation that the way the phasers fire seen here was for a specific purpose.
Star Wars is cool. Star Trek is cool. The Abrams movie is cool, and you trekkies should stop complaining about minor asthetic discrepencies and be glad you got a good movie. Everyone shut up.
I Love this scene.
cchhrriiss825 1 day ago
What happens to all those hundreds of little peew peews that seem to be missing the small targets? Do they just fly on, endlessly, until they smack into something?
Seems to me like a few well aimed classic beam phasers is a hell of a lot more effective than this spray and pray mess.
BlackMasterRoshi 1 day ago
@BlackMasterRoshi If they're anything like lasers, they'll go on just about indefinitely, but won't hit anything for a while as that's how space is. Also, this is as early in the timeline as it gets (Kirk's only just getting his ship) so this could be the primitive phaser, and the beam is the newer one, but not as fun to use in special effects.
vidgami46 19 hours ago
@BlackMasterRoshi IIRC Phasers are particle weapons. So they would eventually disperse.
Helge129 13 hours ago
@Helge129 In TOS they are Photonic Radiation Masers.
Idazmi7 6 hours ago
@BlackMasterRoshi They are.
Idazmi7 6 hours ago
I wonder what happens to the misfired lasers? Do they eventually hit something?
IllusivePOW 2 days ago
@IllusivePOW They eventually dissipate.
Idazmi7 1 day ago
Everybody's focusing on the weapon inconsistencies but nobody seems to pick up on the fact that the weapons are somehow making noise in space, and this is, in fact, impossible.
wreynolds1995 3 days ago
@wreynolds1995 Nothing is impossible... if you just use your IMAGINATION.
Simple1Jack 3 days ago
@wreynolds1995 Creative license vs Canon discontinuity.
Idazmi7 1 day ago
@wreynolds1995
I guess it depends on the perspective and it that moment we were seeing it from the perspective of the ships, because when it was a scene with humans being sucked into space the sound disappeared.
MrFalconfly 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly Well for one, ships can't "hear" at all. For two, sound simply can't happen in space.
For those who spent too much time watching Star Trek instead of listening to their high school physics teacher: "sound" is an oscillation of pressure through a medium of solid, liquid, or gas and there are literally no such mediums in the vacuum of space, because space is a vacuum.
It worries me that people spend time talking about plot inconsistencies and not scientific inconsistencies.
wreynolds1995 1 day ago
@wreynolds1995
Would this scene be as exciting without the sounds?
No?
Then there you have it.
And yes I know about sound in space but that still doesn't make willing suspension of disbelief invalid when it comes to works of fiction.
MrFalconfly 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly Would this scene be as exciting without the flashy lights?
No?
Then there you have why they "changed" the weapons the Enterprise has at its disposal.
If you're gonna cast the whole thing away with "it's for entertainment purposes and you shouldn't give a crap about that", then who really cares at that point about plot inconsistencies in the weapon layout of the Enterprise-D?
wreynolds1995 1 day ago
@wreynolds1995
Excuse me?
The Enterprise-D? The Enterprise-D was a Galaxy-class ship. This is a (redone) Constitution-class.
At least get the ship right. I'm not even a huge Trek fan, but if I can spot an error something went wrong.
MrFalconfly 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly Fair enough point, I made a mistake. Doesn't invalidate my point that if you're watching this whole thing for entertainment purposes, there's no point picking mistakes in the plot (especially when it's a remake of an older series) while ignoring mistakes in the reality of the film.
wreynolds1995 1 day ago
@wreynolds1995
Well I am not one of those guys going "oh no they changed everything".
I actually like many of the changes and I can see a good sense in using a CIWS system instead of those original Beam phasers (just to name an example).
MrFalconfly 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly The Beam phasers demonstrated the ability to precisely target and shoot down multiple high-speed warheads at thousands of kilometers range.
These pulse shots are missing at a few hundreds of meters.
Idazmi7 6 hours ago
@Idazmi7
OK so the CIWS system missed a couple of times? So what? All the targets were destroyed. As opposed to the beam phasers which were shown to be ineffective against the Narada's missile spam (granted they had a 100% hit ratio, but they weren't fast enough to acquire and destroy every missile, sometimes spray-and-pray is preferable to one-shot-one-kill).
MrFalconfly 5 hours ago
@MrFalconfly Only because the phasers in the new film had a slow firing rate and no proximity mode. The TOS Enterprise could also go to Warp straight backwards to avoid impossible situations, (Balance of terror) Had an effective anti-missile point defense, (For The World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky) and fire torpedoes very quickly. (Elaan of Troyus)
Your earlier point about the CWIS being more effective than the original beams is demonstratably false.
Idazmi7 3 hours ago
Where's the rest of the end of this video?
X1Jebus 3 days ago
I like this ship
12341carlose 3 days ago
It seriously looks like red phaser cannons, and quantum torpedoes.
realninja01 4 days ago
i dont remember the enterprise having phaser cannons, i could have sworn in TOS it had blue retrofitted phaser banks
AyonymousFTW 5 days ago
I dont know wtf its firing lol it does not look like photon torpedoes or phasers......but it does look awesome :D
Kunglao63 5 days ago
@Kunglao63
Well the phasers are now a sort of Point-Defense CIWS weapon since 100% target destruction with a few misses is better than 100% hits with a few of the targets getting through.
And those are Photon-torpedoes (according to Word of God). They just sound a bit lower calipered than I remember from TNG and Voy (which were the ones I saw given my relatively young age).
MrFalconfly 4 days ago
@MrFalconfly Actually phasers in the beginning were fired in pulses, especially on the episode "Balance of Terror." Even the hand units also fired a phaser pulse without the steady beam to ensure the person is stunned. These includes episodes like on "Spock's Brain" and "Whom Gods Destroy."
So pulsing phasers isn't restricted to Star Trek 2 or the Defiant.
Potrimpo 3 days ago
@Potrimpo
Please have mercy on me.
I have no idea of how things were in all the other movies (the only other Star Trek movie I have seen would be First Contact). I only deduced the changes by comparing what I saw in TNG to what I saw here.
MrFalconfly 3 days ago
@Potrimpo They didn't fire like.... these things. More like torpedoes.
Idazmi7 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly Those are phasers. The blue ones are torpedoes. If not: what are the blue ones, and how the hell do they fit so many on that ship?
Idazmi7 1 day ago
@Idazmi7
Well according to the extra material on the BD Special Edition they are Photon Torpedoes.
I guess that's the reason they sound slightly higher pitched than the ones from the different series. They downsized the torpedoes for increased carrying capacity. Just like USA kept with 12.7mm MG's instead of fitting larger 20mm cannons on their fighters.
MrFalconfly 1 day ago
@MrFalconfly Then what are the blue ones thatactually sound like Photon Torpedoes?
Idazmi7 1 day ago
@Idazmi7
Wait. which blue ones are you talking about?
MrFalconfly 20 hours ago
@MrFalconfly The shots that come from the neck in the second clip.
Idazmi7 6 hours ago
@Idazmi7
Well those were supposed to be Photon Torpedoes (afaik).
MrFalconfly 5 hours ago
@MrFalconfly So according to you, there are red and blue photon torpedoes, and no phasers, in this scene.
Idazmi7 3 hours ago
@MrFalconfly False? American fighters have been standardized with 20mm cannons for the last 50 years. And if you are referring to WW2 era, early fighters actually had .30 calibre machine guns as the standard. America increased to .50 because .30 was deemed ineffective.
lebensraummetal 1 day ago
@lebensraummetal
Well I was talking about WW2 fighters actually.
And yes they started off with 7.62mm MGs but so did everyone else. Thing is thought that almost everybody (except USA) began to fit 20mm Cannons on their fighters (Messerschmitts, Focke-Wulfs, Spitfires, Hurricanes, Zeroes, you name it). USA though kept at the 12.7mm MGs for increased carrying capacity and volume of fire.
MrFalconfly 20 hours ago
Pew! Pew pew!
Sursion7 5 days ago
The heroic music doesn't really work with the first scene cos the enterprise is wasting its weaponry firing at missiles, but its still a good part of the film
MrMagic828 6 days ago
@MrMagic828 "wasting its weaponry firing at missiles"
... facepalm*
Cant tell if you are trolling or havent seen the movie ..
davelantor 5 days ago
damn they should re release all the other star trek movies with these kinda special effects, the battle of sector 001 would look even better
BrettJRipley 1 week ago
Those were the gayest sound effects ever...
alexhortdog95 2 weeks ago
Its not arguing, its basically a bunch of people commenting and this bloke "TheRandyChimp" trolling everyone because their opinions differ from his/her/its.
CaitiVoltaire 2 weeks ago
Why cant everyone stop arguing and watch the video ._.
commandermar 2 weeks ago
@commandermar wheres the fun of the internet without arguing?
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
@TheRandyChimp you dont argue. you insult till people get plain fed up of trying to have a constructive debate.
locutus12 1 week ago
@locutus12 Yet here we are a week later, with you bringing it up again. I was done with it man, you raised your points, I explained why things had been changed, you didnt respond, I just assumed you realised that none of the things you mentioned mattered.
Stop taking it so personally, Im sure you're a lovely person, I just don't get why you have to be so worked up over a film.
TheRandyChimp 1 week ago
@TheRandyChimp Not to mention every time you shot him down he went into nerdrage and deleted his posts to try to cover it up, Locutus, exactly HOW was Urhura (SP?) portrayed as the 'academy bike' in the movie by the way. I really don't know where you got that impression to be honest.
McDonaldWilliamT 1 week ago
@McDonaldWilliamT All the stuff he posted as "plotholes" weren't plotholes, they were fan-gripes, which dont count for shit. Spider-man had organic webshooters in the film, didnt make the movie terrible (although looking back, it isn't as good as I thought it was as a kid :P)
TheRandyChimp 6 days ago
@commandermar Because there are to many old farts who think TOS was the best thing ever, when in fact it was god awful. The TOS movies were only mildly better with the Wrath of Khan being the only good one. Star Trek was only good after Gene Roddenbury died.
50Calabyte 1 week ago
@50Calabyte Reaspond to ME next time.
Enterprise And Voyager happened after Gene died. So did Nemesis. Your logic is greatly flawed.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
hate
cowboyx1970 2 weeks ago
this movie... killed startrek. 40yrs of history... *poof* gone.
For example: Why is Uhura ordering a Cardassian sunrise? The fed doesnt meet the cardassians till the Next Generation times. First contact was just before picards day and resulted in a small war... Chiefe Obrian speaks of it often.
Second, Vulcan is under attack, and yet the ENTIRE FLEET is "busy" leaving only some rag nose cheesey cadets and an enterprise built by IKEA. So many more problems to boot...
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 XI has an alternative story, so plz stfu and enjoy the special effects
lcGlHeaD 2 weeks ago
@lcGlHeaD I dont watch films for "special effects"
That’s half the damned problem with Hollywood today and the dumbing down of dialogue across the board for the general masses due to either bad writers or a presumption that the audience are idiots (startrek Nemesis comes to mind)
"lets go see a movie... they spent 450 million on the CGI and 10 dollars on the script"
result: Avatar... otherwise known as “pocahontas in space” and the whole idiot world applauds.
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 The real next generation loves special effects. Either get with us or be left in the 90's.
SCIFIguy64 2 weeks ago
@SCIFIguy64 Special effects do not make movies. Look at the other film, named Star Trek the Motion Picture. More effects, sour reception. At least people still cared about the audience in the 90's.
Stories make movies.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@SCIFIguy64 the 90`s?
in CGI terms we have been able to create anything on screen we can imagine since the mid 90`s. The difference now is often we use special effects as a substitue for good writing.
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 Most people think more QQ and less PEW PEW is boring.
SCIFIguy64 2 weeks ago
@SCIFIguy64 Q only appeared 10 times, out of 1763 episodes.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 - I believe he's referring to the fact that people these days seem to prefer the slap-dash, terribly written excuses to thread together action scenes kind of plots, rather than overarching narratives. This MIGHT work for some other films: it certainly did for Machette, but Star Trek was ALWAYS about the overarching story. It had a heart, a soul, and a sort of moralism to it, that seemed to get lost about midway through TNG when Roddenberry passed away. Trek changed after.
CaitiVoltaire 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire I noticed. Only a few episodes of late TNG even tried to re-capture the spirit. Also, I was just watching TOS's episode: "A Taste of Armageddon".
The episode dealt with war, bigotry, diplomacy, chain of command, and letting the past stay in the past. It did this all in 45 minutes. Too bad people who see this film don't really get interested in TOS, despite claims. It might do them good.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@SCIFIguy64 90's often had BETTER effects. Jurassic park anyone? Models are almost always preferable to CGI. It always looks better when something is actually in front of the camera.
brivanas 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 I agree with you about the over focus on special effects these days in movies, however, with regards to your earlier comment about Kirk being a 'whoremonger' or something to that effect.... dude, did you ever WATCH the original series? Kirk was a skirt chaser in that too, admitted they went about that the wrong way, but he was much younger in the movie so he would have been a lot more 'crude' about how he went after women.
McDonaldWilliamT 1 week ago
@McDonaldWilliamT
Hi McDonaldWilliamT, I think you may have miss read my posting somewhere, I never said anything about kirk. Indeed Chris Pines performance as a younger captain kirk was about the only nail that got hit on the head for this movie. I moaned about uhuras character being the starfleet academy bike and how no respect was paid to its roots. Hence in answer, yes Ive seen the original series.
locutus12 1 week ago
Firing weapons on a Romulan Bird of Prey!
whitemagic70 2 weeks ago
The cheesiest scene in the movie!
Cenobite1991 3 weeks ago
Phasers were always beams in TOS. But we wouldn't get ridiculous pew-pew-pew sound effects and overwrought shakey-cam like the camera-man was slamming Absinthe that way! And don't forget the lens flares?
Really, this movie would have done a lot better if they didn't call it Star Trek. It's a decently wrought movie but it only vaguely flirts with anything canon.
CaitiVoltaire 3 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire Yeah, it totally would have done WAY better than 385 million in the box office, 4 oscar nominations, 1 oscar win (a first for star trek films might I add) and near universal critical acclaim. Of course, you could say all that's fine, maybe better than fine, but no, you, a classic star trek fan, knows better, amirite?
TheRandyChimp 3 weeks ago
@TheRandyChimp so basically because jj Abrams put strtrek into a blender and turned it into generic starwars styled scifi mush that stood on the shoulders of 40 years of TV & movie branding, and thus the result was it made lots of money and won awards. and you think this makes a good film?
Quite often in hollywood just because a film is successful does not make it worth watching again for anyone with an I.Q. above a grapefruit.
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 Hate to bring it up, but considering that I'm studying film and television at university, and therefore have looked into what makes a successful film, Star Trek 2009 pretty much checks all boxes. It had character development, it had a well paced story, it had witty and realistic dialogue, it had a stellar soundtrack. Stop being such a little bitch. It's different from the original series, if it wasn't, it'd be two hours of people fighting other people in rubber skin suits.
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
@TheRandyChimp Good for you, I qualified in sound engineering 15 years ago, shall we get our accreditations out as you seem to be under the illusion that your opinion is more valid than mine rather than equally valid. I never said I wanted original trek. But this, was a mess for anyone who cares to look at the plot. never mind the history it ruined. Just simply pay attention to the plot and ignore the shiney CGI. You expect plot holes in any movie but this is beyond floored.
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 I don't think my opinions more valid than anyones, I was just giving you background on why I listed the things I listed. It wasn't a mess at all. Give me examples of these film ruining plot holes.
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
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locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 1) Cardassians, only introduced in Deep Space Nine, but established in Star Trek Lore in the 20th century, 200 years prior est to uhora ordering their drink.
2) That's not a plot hole idiot.
3) Again, not a plot hole moron, a change in the story.
4) Entirely possible, weapons could have been stolen by nero for his little revenge trip. Its not explained, but its not a plot hole.
5) Can you tell me when our suns going to go supernova?
6) Ambassador to Romulus
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
@TheRandyChimp well I did type out 14 points and was happy to discuss them but you still want to be personally abussive so forget it.
Youve got your opinion, ive got mine.
We will see what happens to the takings on the next film.
And f.y.i. a sun goes supernova over several millenia, first going through several phases where by it expands into a red giant. these are established laws. Our will go in 5 billion years give or take, but we will have plenty of warning before hand.
locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 Im abusive because I'm annoyed. You blatantly insult someones work, then offer points which are incorrect as to why you're insulting it. None of the points you made can be classified as plot holes, and all of them have a simple explanation, either within the film itself or by looking on the internet for info. Supernovae are unpredictable, they're natural occurences that we can't always predict. They knew it would happen, but spock says it happens sooner than expected.
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
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locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 7) They gave him as much as they could as insurance.
8) Um, yeah, again, not a plot hole at all, a change.
9) Vulcan isn't known to be under attack, they think its an anomoly in space. The only federation ship that knows is the enterprise, and that's because of Kirks prior knowledge.
Seriously, Look up the meaning of "plot hole", nothing you've listed is a plot hole and can easily be explained.
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
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locutus12 2 weeks ago
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locutus12 2 weeks ago
@locutus12 10) Nero is a huge jackass who spends 23 years on a klingon prison planet brooding and going insane. Prior to this, after the destruction of his planet, he blames the federation for their lack of initiative in helping the people of his planet evacuate. You've proven my point. All the faults you're finding with it are either things you've ignored out of idiocy or things that have been altered that you don't like. Ergo, none of them are film destroying plot holes or problems.
TheRandyChimp 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire Exactly it's problem. Well said.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
This film was good, not great it had a lot of plot holes but I hated the weapons fire scene. It was more like star wars and not star trek. And whats with that pussy sounding photon torpedo. Hopefully the next will even get better.
Kguy985 3 weeks ago
Have to say it... The lack of phasers dissapointed me...
lemming171 4 weeks ago
this is not even worthy of being called movie 11
it resets everything from "the original series" till "voyager", movies included
boring movie, not worthy of a sequel or a series
MrMysticPaladin 1 month ago
@MrMysticPaladin Not actually boring, just extremely annoying.
Idazmi7 4 weeks ago
@MrMysticPaladin
Haters gonna hate.
biodude147 4 weeks ago
i hear this music in my head every time i have sex, i actually hum it a little too,daaa da da da da daaaa...
PsychicAnchor 1 month ago
This was the best damn Star Trek movie I've ever seen. I sincerely hope they do another Star Trek movie.
Seattlecarnut 1 month ago
@Seattlecarnut This, First Contact and Wrath of Khan
Tedericoe 4 weeks ago
@Tedericoe My other Star Trek favourites were The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock and Voyage Home.
Seattlecarnut 4 weeks ago
ah the time before phasers ^^
DemonFirenetwork 1 month ago
@DemonFirenetwork Well, actually Starfleet had Phasers even before this time. You see some Phasers on the Kelvin at the start of the movie.
KrinkutAlliance 4 weeks ago
@DemonFirenetwork
Those bolts are phasers.
They are set to some Point Defense CIWS mode (look at the CIWS Phalanx currently mounted on Nimitz aircraft-carriers) because it's in a bloody hurry and needs to take out a swarm of missiles (the beam mode was used by the Kelvin at the start of the movie and was shown to be ineffective against such a Macross Missile Massacre, hence rapidfire phaser bolts).
MrFalconfly 3 weeks ago
@MrFalconfly also of note the romulan ship in the film is in fact made using captured borg technology (its from the future). There was another ship in star trek that used weapons like that specifically to combat the borg (the defiant), considering the timeline changed when the romulan ship appeared and attacked the kelvin it stands to reason similar lessons may have been learnt (which would also explain the differences in enterprise looks) :). That should explain a few things
calumknight1984 3 weeks ago
damn you should put the full scene !
"if the ship is hit, the red matter will be ignited" "understood"
*suspense music* "Sir, we're peaking up another ship"
and then enterprise comes and starts to pew pew...... :)
elasolezito 1 month ago
KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!
jukeboxdude97 1 month ago
Why is the bridge shaking when the Enterprise fires his weapons in the first part, it's not like the ship is being targeted or hit.
JaapVSWDelta 1 month ago
@JaapVSWDelta the camera's shaking, not the bridge.
It's a technique used to convey extreme stress, because it FEELS stressful.
Plus, if the bridge WAS shaking, it'd be because of the intense strain on the engines. Keep in mind that this was the Enterprise's maiden voyage, and they'd just pushed her to maximum warp, only to engage in battle
AToxicOrange 1 month ago
...and of course, scuttle the Model ship.
Char?
BillyJimOMFG 1 month ago
oh yeah here Nero goes into a black hole and ends up 154 years before this scene, there he destroys the Earth. yeah...makes sense :P
henkman00 1 month ago
Hey Lakkons do you own the Blu Ray version of Star Trek?
MasterJediKyleKatarn 1 month ago
@subaruscotty on the kelvin that is.
subaruscotty 1 month ago
@RevanRA the blue pulses are micro-photon torpedoes, hence the fact they are blue( JJ wanting it to look like TOS torps) and BTW, all trek rules, JJ just brought the franchise back from the dead, be happy about it!
subaruscotty 1 month ago
@subaruscotty Hmm. Micro-photons you say? Interesting. Thanks for your input! I always thought it was a sort of rapid firing pulse weapon as did many others. I guess it makes sense. I am happy about it, unless you meant that in general to all.
@Idazmi7 Well, things change. Besides, this is an alternate reality. I think it'll give JJ some more room for new stories and scenarios. The thing that I question is if "The Wrath of Khan" exists in this reality as it did the prime reality.
RevanRA 1 month ago
@RevanRA Not to mention. It's not like any of this screws up the Prime Reality. All that stuff still happened as it did as we know it. I quite wanna follow this reality a little longer to see where things end up here and how exactly everything works.
RevanRA 1 month ago
in the part where the uss kelvin got massacred and completely owned, i noticed it shooting small blue pulses,i was wondering if that was a phaser cannon? if anyone could give me a plausible answer i would be grateful
cadkls 1 month ago
And the photon torpedoes sound ghey?
JMcH 1 month ago
@JMcH Pulsed phasors would seem to provide better target hits in a field of debris than a constant phasor beam. I'm glad of the new phasors.
fixiosis 1 month ago
So now the phasers work like machine guns?
JMcH 1 month ago
@JMcH The phasers were most likely set to a sort of 'bolt' setting. As fixiosis said, it would seem to provide better target hits in a field of debris. The Kelvin had been using phasers on the beam setting at the time of its destruction.
@cadkls The blue pulses are pulse cannons, at least from my understanding of the U.S.S. Kelvin's specs. Also phaser banks.
@Anyone-who-hates-ST09: Stuff it and go back to the Treks you love most. I love all Treks regardless and so do other people. Peace.
RevanRA 1 month ago
@RevanRA Er, I mean it also has phaser banks. Not saying that the pulse cannons are the same as the phaser banks, because their not. :p
Anyways, someone correct me if I'm wrong about the Kelvin's specs. Also it seems that the Kelvin is based on the Hermes-class, even though it has a secondary hull. I really wish "purists" would leave ST09 alone and go away, really. It's not like they really know how time travel works...if they did, we'd have time-traveling DeLoreans.
RevanRA 1 month ago
@RevanRA Nero kills jut one ship, and the ENTIRE Star Trek universe layout changes, perhaps permanently...
>.>
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@JMcH and all those who are saying the phasers are different--
Watch Star Trek The Wrath of Khan, the phasers in that movie worked pretty much the same way--like machine guns(except the bolts here have a new sound effect and are more discontinuous). Obviously you've only been watching TNG era stuff(not saying they are bad).
Plus I love everything about the new Enterprise except the engine room and lens flares.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation They only did that once, and in The Wrath of Khan they actually hit something!
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 They hit a gigantic floating Starfleet ship commanded by a guy who knows nothing of 23rd century technology and starship fighting tactics. Here those bolts hit high speed small sized moving projectiles without hitting Spock's ship. So yeah, both actually hit something.
btw you really should watchsome more TOS movies, those discontinuous phasers appeared once only because I am pretty sure ENTERPRISE DID NOT FIRE A SINGLE PHASER SHOT AFTERWARDS.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation The New Phasers are Turbolasers, and compared to beam phasers, grossly innacurate.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 how the hell would you know new phasers are turbolasers??? We've seen bolt based phasers before and the word 'turbolaser' was not even muttered in any point in the movie. In the beginning when the Kelvin was attacked the captain ordered'fire phasers' and when Kirk and Scotty beamed aboard the Enterprise and opened the pipes, Spock told the security officers to 'set phasers to stun'. As for the accuracy issue, well maybe the Romulans are jamming them?
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation They would have mentioned jamming.
The new phasers don't work like pulse phasers, either: they work like turbolasers. I was being sarcastic, a human trait.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 I am guessing being illogical is also another human trait.
How do you know they work like turbolasers anyway? Just from the way they are firing?? In The Wrath of Khan phasers fire in a similar way.
quizzisation 1 month ago
@quizzisation No they don't. They are more regular, and are more accurate per shot, ergo, the first, second, tenth, and twenty-first shot land no more than 2 meters apart in a neat line.
These go everywhere, like Turbolasers.
Idazmi7 1 month ago
@Idazmi7 These shot down all of the Narada's torpedoes mid-flight. Seems accurate enough to me. And there's nothing wrong with the Spray-n-Pray Firing Solution in this case when you don't have time to derive...a proper Firing Solution.
How would you set your guns if the idea was to start shooting immediately after dropping from warp?
RingSight91 1 month ago
@RingSight91 They don't re-adjust their aim later, so your argument is invalid.
Idazmi7 4 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 "Whom" doesn't "re-adjust their aim later" again? And if it's Chekov in this one, how would you know how he did and did not "aim" their weapons? Did you have a good look at their Targeting Scanner Display? And if the Weps Officer decides to spread these phasers a bit on the Narada, what is that to you?
Phasers are Charged Particle Weapons. It's entirely appropriate that they do not always fire in continuous beams so quit pining for the old laaaayzuuur shots.
RingSight91 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 The JJprise crew doesn't re-adjust their aim. Look at the comment before mine again: He was guessing that the innacuracy of the phasers was due to the sudden drop from warp speed.
Phasers DO fire in pulses: even the Enterprise-D can do that! However, they don't miss little targets from METERS away. The jjprise phasers actually missed the NARADA in the final scene!
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 I don't see how you can mix "little targets from meters away" and "the Narada" in the same breath. And I don't see where the JJprise misses the Narada anyway. I've got the DVD and viewing after view, they all look like hits on various points of the target to me. And thanks to this thing called size perspective, I estimate the ranges to be in the HUNDREDS of meters away. Any hits beyond 300 m in combat count as "accurate enough", FYI.
RingSight91 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 The jjprise misses the Narada several times with phasers, as they are just shooting haphasard everywhere. They miss both times, at both types of targets, and the Narada is effing huge. Compare to this:
/watch?v=7ZG09-M1Hc0&feature=related
Explain why the Enterprise-E is just as accurate against an INVISIBLE and UNSCANABLE target.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 Are you so seriously mentally-incapacitated that you cannot remember who it was who had her finger on the Enterprise-E's Tactical Station forming a Firing Solution on the cloaked target? It was Counselor Troi, who was TELEPATHICALLY LINKED to the also telepathic Reman Viceroy aboard the Scimitar. SHE FOUND the target WITHOUT using sensors. I have that DVD too!
And quit effing exaggerating and GTFO troll! The jjprise landed hits where it counted and that's good enough in combat.
RingSight91 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 He isn't going to go away. I've argued with him ever since July; he doesn't take a hint, and somehow people think he's right, too.
KrinkutAlliance 3 weeks ago
@KrinkutAlliance Seeing as he didn't even know what "IIRC" meant until someone spelled it out for him, he's either seriously old (and older than I am and I actually saw WoK in theatre as a kid) and set in his ways. or a serious social recluse with an ADD problem, or both. Either way not worth wasting our time over anymore. All I know is, watching this movie in an IMAX theatre rocked!
RingSight91 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 Agreed to every extent. He already bailed it out to me he was older than me, anyways. No specific value of age, but he made it clear.
KrinkutAlliance 3 weeks ago
When DID I say I was older than you?
Oh wait: when you made a fool of yourself earlier.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 Making THOSE judgements based on a lack of lingo? Lemme just say "IIRC" to a random passerby.
I'm just notan Internet recluse, that's MY problem. You, however...
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@RingSight91 I'm not exagerating. And, just a caveat, the Narada cannot be partly Borg technology. The JJprise is STILL innacurate against a multi kilometer long, stationary target.
You calling me mentaly-incapacitated does not ring of intelligence. It just makes you annoying.
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 - I wouldn't bother arguing with an individual whose responses are mostly consisting of personal attacks, they are obviously incapable of holding proper intellectual debate.
I actually enjoyed the movie at the time of seeing it at the theater, though I found it incredibly cheesy at parts (especially the sound design, which really shows in this scene). But that doesn't make it a good Star Trek movie, and I'd honestly forgotten mostly about it until stumbling along these clips.
CaitiVoltaire 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire Agreed. I, however, cannot forget the stupid parts. I'm a hardcore trekkie, and so is my mom. We both enjoyed it, but some elements are the kind of stuff I find pretty much unforgivable. Kirk's new personality, the new look for the Enterprise, inside and out: Blech. Lack of a sensible moral: Blech. Music: okay until it got repetitive.
Kung Fu Panda 2 has the same plot as this movie, just better.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 - I actually though the guy who did McCoy played the part well and the actual look of the Enterprise was good (though the phaser effects OHMYGOD the phaser effects were terrible.)
But I have to agree re: Kirk and the lack of overarching story/moral/etc. The characters playing the new Kirk and Spock did so very poorly IMO, the characters were bland and I didn't emapthise with either of them, which is important. If you don't care about the characters, why watch?
CaitiVoltaire 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire Indeed, McCoy was perfect. The main three characters: Kirk, Spock, and Uhura were written terribly. I think Quinto *could* make a pretty good Spock with a better writer, he seems like he was actually trying to act.
I hated the new ship: The shape of the engineering hull was outright daft, while ship-to-Warp-Nacelle ratio was extremely overexaggerated. Scotty joking as if the engines were boobs didn't help any. Even the wackiest Star Trek ships have a "realistic" look.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 - Eh, the design of the ship didnt bother me so much as the fact that it seemed incongruent. You have some parts of the ship that you see which look very .. "old fashioned" TOS-y while others, such as the bridge, try to look very high-techy and such and altogether looked very slapdash internally. Externally I wasn't very bothered: to be honest I didnt notice the ratio until you pointed it out, though I see what you mean when I look back on it.
CaitiVoltaire 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire As for the new Enterprise, It ALL should have looked more functional, like ANY kind of large transport. A boat, an airplane, a space shuttle: Anything except the overlit "command bridge".
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 remember to keep THIS version of trek in it's own universe. things turned out a little different than in the prime universe. all the characters have different feelings and emotions. this universe is more relate able than the prime universe, with it's high and mighty "military uniforms of the 20th century were costumes" and "wealth is no longer a driving factor in our lives" attitude. spock was beautifully written. how he is developed going forwards is what's going to count.
simpsonfan13 2 weeks ago
@simpsonfan13 I can see you never watched the true TOS. The Enterprise classic is canon as a Type-I Battlecruiser. Constitution Class Explorer is a fan designation.
Idazmi7 2 weeks ago
@Idazmi7 what comment of mine are you responding to. and i did know that. Not sure how your info is relevant though?
simpsonfan13 1 week ago
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@simpsonfan13 The one where you said: "this universe is more relate able than the prime universe, with it's high and mighty "military uniforms of the 20th century were costumes" and "wealth is no longer a driving factor in our lives" attitude."
The Original Starfleet was militaristic.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 I can see you never watched TOS either, as the Constitution designation of the Enterprise did in fact exist in the original series, it was on one of the technical read outs Scotty was reading. Though illegible, it was later confirmed that was the class designation.
ChampionSheWolf 1 week ago
@ChampionSheWolf Actually it was the Federation's finest warship, the Type I Battlecruiser, affectionately nicknamed the Starship. (Enterprise Incident)
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 Starship class was a designation because they never named it officially at the time. However, the name does appear on the phaser schematics, and the Star Trek tech manual got privy to this information, as there was no original intent to actually naming the starship classes in Star Trek. Just another wild flight of fancy of people that people believe Star Trek had this super wild plan beyond what was on set.
ChampionSheWolf 1 week ago
@ChampionSheWolf They named it the Type I Battlecruiser. It's even clearly visible on a schematic behind Scotty as he speaks. The Romulans feared it. The Klingons respected it.
As fo "great plans beyond the screen", Look at this moral-lacking Star Wars ripoff of a movie. The "Great Plan" was for Paramount to milk the franchise to death. They did. Ans TOS was the best Star Trek series: it still has the most Hugo and Emmy awards combined.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 Please. TOS was campy and poorly acted.
50Calabyte 1 week ago
@50Calabyte In which episode? They were better than this mess, and a TOS episode was the direct inspration for Star Trek 2.
The WORST of TOS was better than this mess of a film. And technicolor was "in" in the sixties, so watch an episode before judging. Moron.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 Sorry to say it, but as much as I liked TOS, (Favorite Episode being Immunity Syndrome) I still think the 09 movie was something that was kinda needed, to bring 'Trek' to a newer generation, as a result, some things had to be changed around a little and you can't please everyone.
McDonaldWilliamT 1 week ago
@McDonaldWilliamT New Special effects are fine. Kirk as a sex-chasing "pimp" and havng no general moral to the movie at all, was not.
Idazmi7 1 week ago
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@ChampionSheWolf " can see you never watched TOS either, as the Constitution designation of the Enterprise did in fact exist in the original series, it was on one of the technical read outs Scotty was reading."
Where and when?
Idazmi7 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 although the giant nacelles WERE annoying. slim them down a bit and it would look MUCH better. and scotty's joke bothered you? give me a break.
simpsonfan13 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire lets wait and see what happens in the sequel. they were all new to SF (except Spock) and a good deal younger than their prime versions so it's expected that they wouldn't be as mature. as far as the phaser effects, that was a phaser micro burst. it's a setting that's although not often used IS possible. i think the D uses it in an episode of TNG, although it of course doesn't look exactly like that. i also liked how some of the sound was muted in space.
simpsonfan13 2 weeks ago
@CaitiVoltaire The phaser effects indeed seems inspired from Star Wars rather than Star Trek..and they wasn't even correct torpedo shots in ST 2009 ! (with exception of the Narada's but hey)
youteubee69 1 week ago
@youteubee69 The phaser effects are reminiscent of how they fired in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn.
ChampionSheWolf 1 week ago
@Idazmi7 As mentioned a few days a go; get your facts straight.
Evidence validated.
Points validated.
KrinkutAlliance 3 weeks ago
@KrinkutAlliance What evidence was validated?
Idazmi7 3 weeks ago
@quizzisation Sorry, but I grew up with the original cast films. WoK is one of my favorite movies, in fact. If you go to ~2:43 in this video: watch?v=o0J9S7TI4rs, you can see the phasers from Khan. Not quite that similar. However, I'm pretty satisfied with the explanation that the way the phasers fire seen here was for a specific purpose.
JMcH 1 month ago
@quizzisation - And yes, I agree with you on the lens flare. Awful. Very distracting and makes the scenes with it very nearly unwatchable.
JMcH 1 month ago
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Star Wars is cool. Star Trek is cool. The Abrams movie is cool, and you trekkies should stop complaining about minor asthetic discrepencies and be glad you got a good movie. Everyone shut up.
SCIFIguy64 2 months ago 2
why are all the trekkies moaning so much? virgin losers thats