WSL is a legend. William Cheung is a living legend. I'm sure WSL would have said 'don't do as i do...do what I say (in other words 'don't try this at home')'. Can do without seeing WSL on youtube and without seeing William Cheung rubbished.
i think he shows it slowly and very clearly stopping between motions so it's easy to follow and see correct posture from the video for any students learning the dummy form
I'm a Brit who has lived in Taiwan for eight years, i started learning from Ip Man's nephew and as a total novice was not impressed at all. I now study Gary Lam/ Wongs lineage and the difference is totally different. Westerners here hear the name Ip man and are sold already and are not willing to open their eyes!
All that shines is not gold, just look at wong's students all of whom are top notch!
Very nice, I'm from a different branch, but this is the speed and intensity that dummy should be played, not crazy fast and jumping out of control like some of these meatheads throwing up vids
May I ask you a question, ozzie 1246: if the wing chun passed down to si-gung's 2 sons are so pure, how come they (sifu yip ching & sifu yip chun) perform the forms so differently?
Also, it would be nice if you get your facts right before stating them here. You said yip ching, the elder, passed the BJD to sifu kwok, but any wing chun person knows that sifu yip ching is the younger of the 2.
My post isn't a critertism on anyone's wing chun. I'm simply highlighting FACTS
Almost all the wooden dummy actions I learnt are in the video. This is great to see how the different streams being evolve over the time. 2 thoughts - the actions sequence was different with Ip Man's wooden dummy form. Can check youtube - 木樁 Wooden Dummy. 1 out the 8 kicking forms was missed. LOL it is difficult to remember all actions exactly. Also an opponent (even partner) wealth using wooden dummy actions is rare.
This is cool. I do Ip Ching WC & it's interesting to see how WSL does the dummy form. It's basically the same; the differences are minor and superficial, but essentially he's doing the same stuff I was taught. It's nice to see the continuity between the lineages - it means my instructors arent just making stuff up - it all comes from WC as taught by Ip Man.
Compare this vid to con-man William Cheung's dummy form. I feel sorry for Cheung's students - they're missing out on the real deal.
yes, that is true. According to most accounts, he was winning, but when he knocked the opponent down, the opponent issued a kick that hit the right spot, apparently. His students argue that Wong was feeling ill before and during the match, though. I think in one of Wong's books, one of his students gives the full version of what happened.
I would like to touch hands with a WSL guy, me being from a different WC branch and all, ahhhh someday hopefully, in a friendly kind of set up of course.
Wong Shun Leung is the greatest student of Wing Chun. Besides the great Yip Man and the masters before him, no one is better at Wing Chun than the great Wong Shun Leung.
Mofotox, any martial art (anything in the world, actually) will change as time goes by. Students will change their master's techniques; few of them will improve the style, the others will make it poorer. Such is life. Ip Man wasn't a god but a human being, and as such he wasn't perfect.
Ip Man himself changed the WC he was thought from his masters (that's why some think his WC was lacking something important).
He changed movements and principles too. Wasn't him a good master then?
i agree with your statement. but have u seen any of the old man's students making the system poorer? and yes they all do it a bit different. i think it was because back then a sifu wouldn't teach a big group of students at one time, unlike now a days.
There isn't one 8mm film of Ip Man performing the MYJ form, but two at least.
But that's not important. The thing is that it's not possible to understand any movement just by watching a video, unless you previously have learned it directly from the master. Anyone has different body, coordination and then different angles!
Stop posting shit and start training mofotox! I bet you are a very young bloke, that's your only excuse.
Grow up and try to learn something from your Wing Chun fellows.
I agree with you. Everyone is doing their own thing and most of these guys are WAY underqualified even to be teaching, let alone changing the art. All I meant was that WSL was amazing, the most accomplished of all Ip Man's students. His style is worth learning, and if anybody was ever worthy of streamlining the art it was him. He DID ask himself after a lifetime of study what he can do for the art. So has Gary Lam and Nino Bernardo. However most of the rest have offered nothing
Actually I agree with you 100%. Too many people take it upon themselves to change the system or "add" to it, and the result is the WT and Boztepe bullsh!t that pollutes the world's wing chun lineages. All I was saying is that Im sure the three masters I mentioned understood the originals and priniciples of wing chun, and asked themselves for a lifetime before they made minor expansions/modifications to their personal teaching systems. Seriously bro WSL wing chun is superior to anything Ive seen
My experience is limited Ive only trained for 5 years, the first year of which was Yip Chun lineage and then for the last 4 years under Nino Bernardo, and Ive been to LA to train with Gary Lam. Ive visited dozens of schools and always come out on top even against their most expereinced students employing WSL principles. You might have much more experience than me and therefore what you say may very well be true, but Nino and Lam's WSL wing chun is good stuff. Who do you recommend for pureIp Man?
For WC in its pure form (as of Ip Man) i recommend Grandmaster Samuel Kwok. He has been recognised by both of Ip man's sons as their representative. Ip Ching (the elder) even gifted Sifu Kwok with his father's pair of butterfly knives (the symbol of wing chun) - a very poignant gift indeed :)
And what evidence do you have for this? I would very much like for you to come and test this theory. Where are you from? Sifu Kwok is currently giving some seminars in the US and would love to accommodate you :)
I am from the UK. I studied under a top student of Kwok's here in the UK from his school in Brighton for a year, then I changed schools from his to WSL lineage and have never looked back. I have taken apart students of Kwok's with 10 years or more experience on me very easily, including many of my old classmates, several of whom have joined me at my new school. I would happy to demonstrate my skills to any kwok lineage student any time, I do so regularly. Im not saying I could beat up kwok btw
@synkronyk he wasn't lazy. just not interested. he preferred to teach music arts. he only began teach because of bruce lees rise to stardom and his father's desire for him to.
So what if there is a discrepancy between Ip Man's dummy form and WSL's? Ip man "tidied" several sections of the dummy form he inherited as well. Gary Lam has "expanded" the dummy form that he teaches as well. WSL and Gary Lam and Nino Bernardo are all great wing chun teachers, legends in their own right. They have eanred the right to expound upon what they have learned and understood frrom their study of Ip Man's wing chun. Staying "true" to the art is maintaining its evolution perhaps.
Mofotox, you are right - according to the , let's say the 'legend', WSL implemented many modifications in the WC training and this modifications were previously discussed with Ip Man. Regarding the true to the art, well I think the principles are the most important, the movements or tehnics are secondary. As WSL use to say:be a master of the art, not its slave.
nice vid, informative, my sifu WKL is a WSL student, so it's nice to see how much has been preserved. 3 thing's i see WSL does slightly different and can appreciate the difference. but I also notice WSL did not show the final 8 moves, which I'm told he invented himself. from what I'm told that sounds like him. anyway thanks for the nice vid.
...very bad leg technics
leungbik1 1 month ago
WSL is a legend. William Cheung is a living legend. I'm sure WSL would have said 'don't do as i do...do what I say (in other words 'don't try this at home')'. Can do without seeing WSL on youtube and without seeing William Cheung rubbished.
yiwip 4 months ago
Too bad this dummy form is not even close to the original form from Yip man himself
diedelik 5 months ago
i think he shows it slowly and very clearly stopping between motions so it's easy to follow and see correct posture from the video for any students learning the dummy form
DonMega187 9 months ago
One of the best!
hongkongboy23 10 months ago
I'm a Brit who has lived in Taiwan for eight years, i started learning from Ip Man's nephew and as a total novice was not impressed at all. I now study Gary Lam/ Wongs lineage and the difference is totally different. Westerners here hear the name Ip man and are sold already and are not willing to open their eyes!
All that shines is not gold, just look at wong's students all of whom are top notch!
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
@cornwallgeezer
Agree with u cornwallgeezer. The WSL lineage is just spectacular.
hongkongboy23 10 months ago
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cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
nih muk yan jong 108 gaya, yah? gak brenti2
Chienshan2008 1 year ago
WSL the best, nice smooth and controlled style!
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
Very nice, I'm from a different branch, but this is the speed and intensity that dummy should be played, not crazy fast and jumping out of control like some of these meatheads throwing up vids
dk914 1 year ago
@dk914 Well said. LOL. Precisely dude. Slow, precise and focused. Some crack head thinks they need to do it fast to show how good they are. Wrong!
cwmak70 1 year ago
May I ask you a question, ozzie 1246: if the wing chun passed down to si-gung's 2 sons are so pure, how come they (sifu yip ching & sifu yip chun) perform the forms so differently?
Also, it would be nice if you get your facts right before stating them here. You said yip ching, the elder, passed the BJD to sifu kwok, but any wing chun person knows that sifu yip ching is the younger of the 2.
My post isn't a critertism on anyone's wing chun. I'm simply highlighting FACTS
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alejandrocastr 2 years ago
Good video. Thanks for sharing.
Very respect to Master Wong Shun Leung.
Almost all the wooden dummy actions I learnt are in the video. This is great to see how the different streams being evolve over the time. 2 thoughts - the actions sequence was different with Ip Man's wooden dummy form. Can check youtube - 木樁 Wooden Dummy. 1 out the 8 kicking forms was missed. LOL it is difficult to remember all actions exactly. Also an opponent (even partner) wealth using wooden dummy actions is rare.
raylam87 2 years ago
This is cool. I do Ip Ching WC & it's interesting to see how WSL does the dummy form. It's basically the same; the differences are minor and superficial, but essentially he's doing the same stuff I was taught. It's nice to see the continuity between the lineages - it means my instructors arent just making stuff up - it all comes from WC as taught by Ip Man.
Compare this vid to con-man William Cheung's dummy form. I feel sorry for Cheung's students - they're missing out on the real deal.
Nephronial 2 years ago 9
@Nephronial everyone keeps saying about William Cheung, if you think he is that bad then go and do some friendly sparring with him
chr1ssah 1 year ago
@chr1ssah
Emin Boztepe already did that.
Nephronial 1 year ago
Thanks for posting! Wong Shun Leung is my Sigung, Gary Lam is my Sifu. Appreciate it! :)
smkonwater23 2 years ago
does sifu lam have any students teaching ih houston texas?
ronin99999 2 years ago
gary is my sifu.right now he has a private student from texas from dallas i think ,he is planing on opening his own school
senektheripper 2 years ago
thank you for the info
ronin99999 2 years ago
hes pretty good
jacobjjj555 2 years ago
nice video were he analyse his mouvement
Gungfu1978 2 years ago
damn! where did u find it? great awsome vid!
samshen86 2 years ago
I was reading that one time he was in a tornament and he got hurt from a kick so bath that he had to be taken out on a strecher in Taiwan...
WingChunLova 2 years ago
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WSLfollower 2 years ago
yes, that is true. According to most accounts, he was winning, but when he knocked the opponent down, the opponent issued a kick that hit the right spot, apparently. His students argue that Wong was feeling ill before and during the match, though. I think in one of Wong's books, one of his students gives the full version of what happened.
Deus215 2 years ago
Even Bruce Lee lost I've heard, I guess the only ones in the WC lineage that didn't lose was Leung Jan and Yip Man as far as I know.
WingChunLova 2 years ago
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blurfist 2 years ago
2:27 Only Youuuu........
s0fw0n 2 years ago
I would like to touch hands with a WSL guy, me being from a different WC branch and all, ahhhh someday hopefully, in a friendly kind of set up of course.
WingChunLova 2 years ago
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I could beat the old creep....
WingChunLova 2 years ago
Well, it you want...considering he's prolly just bones by now and 12 feet deep in the Earth.
muffinburger 2 years ago
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WSLfollower 2 years ago
You do know he taught Bruce Lee most of his wing chun, yeah?
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WSLfollower 2 years ago
Wong Shun Leung is the greatest student of Wing Chun. Besides the great Yip Man and the masters before him, no one is better at Wing Chun than the great Wong Shun Leung.
avanti76 3 years ago
Opps - I was meant to write "Wong Shun Leung is the greatest student of YIP MAN"
avanti76 3 years ago
Yip Man, Mok Jang Tong is the Best
tqken 3 years ago
Ah ... The Great Wong!
narayanr 3 years ago
What's important if it works for you ... that is all!
Geez, people; a fight is a fight is a fight.
Whether WSL or YP or even someone else (like, for example, Wang Xiang Zhai), does it really ultimately make a difference ... unless it works???
narayanr 3 years ago
Excelentisimo
narayanr 3 years ago
ghetto form
zesaninho 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing :)
earlybirds1 3 years ago
marvellous demo. WSL was the best, indeed.
wingchunlearner 3 years ago
Mofotox, any martial art (anything in the world, actually) will change as time goes by. Students will change their master's techniques; few of them will improve the style, the others will make it poorer. Such is life. Ip Man wasn't a god but a human being, and as such he wasn't perfect.
Ip Man himself changed the WC he was thought from his masters (that's why some think his WC was lacking something important).
He changed movements and principles too. Wasn't him a good master then?
bordereye 3 years ago
i agree with your statement. but have u seen any of the old man's students making the system poorer? and yes they all do it a bit different. i think it was because back then a sifu wouldn't teach a big group of students at one time, unlike now a days.
nel3000 3 years ago
There isn't one 8mm film of Ip Man performing the MYJ form, but two at least.
But that's not important. The thing is that it's not possible to understand any movement just by watching a video, unless you previously have learned it directly from the master. Anyone has different body, coordination and then different angles!
Stop posting shit and start training mofotox! I bet you are a very young bloke, that's your only excuse.
Grow up and try to learn something from your Wing Chun fellows.
bordereye 3 years ago
I agree with you. Everyone is doing their own thing and most of these guys are WAY underqualified even to be teaching, let alone changing the art. All I meant was that WSL was amazing, the most accomplished of all Ip Man's students. His style is worth learning, and if anybody was ever worthy of streamlining the art it was him. He DID ask himself after a lifetime of study what he can do for the art. So has Gary Lam and Nino Bernardo. However most of the rest have offered nothing
bknives 3 years ago
Actually I agree with you 100%. Too many people take it upon themselves to change the system or "add" to it, and the result is the WT and Boztepe bullsh!t that pollutes the world's wing chun lineages. All I was saying is that Im sure the three masters I mentioned understood the originals and priniciples of wing chun, and asked themselves for a lifetime before they made minor expansions/modifications to their personal teaching systems. Seriously bro WSL wing chun is superior to anything Ive seen
bknives 3 years ago
My experience is limited Ive only trained for 5 years, the first year of which was Yip Chun lineage and then for the last 4 years under Nino Bernardo, and Ive been to LA to train with Gary Lam. Ive visited dozens of schools and always come out on top even against their most expereinced students employing WSL principles. You might have much more experience than me and therefore what you say may very well be true, but Nino and Lam's WSL wing chun is good stuff. Who do you recommend for pureIp Man?
bknives 3 years ago
For WC in its pure form (as of Ip Man) i recommend Grandmaster Samuel Kwok. He has been recognised by both of Ip man's sons as their representative. Ip Ching (the elder) even gifted Sifu Kwok with his father's pair of butterfly knives (the symbol of wing chun) - a very poignant gift indeed :)
ozzie1246 2 years ago
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bknives 2 years ago 8
And what evidence do you have for this? I would very much like for you to come and test this theory. Where are you from? Sifu Kwok is currently giving some seminars in the US and would love to accommodate you :)
ozzie1246 2 years ago
I am from the UK. I studied under a top student of Kwok's here in the UK from his school in Brighton for a year, then I changed schools from his to WSL lineage and have never looked back. I have taken apart students of Kwok's with 10 years or more experience on me very easily, including many of my old classmates, several of whom have joined me at my new school. I would happy to demonstrate my skills to any kwok lineage student any time, I do so regularly. Im not saying I could beat up kwok btw
bknives 2 years ago
I would very much like to hear some names? Perhaps you could PM them for me in the itnerest of anonimity :)
ozzie1246 2 years ago
@ozzie1246 you do realise that ip ching is the younger son don't you idiot??
synkronyk 1 year ago
@synkronyk haha yes i do, it was slip of the keyboard. My mistake :)
ozzie1246 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 So did you mean that Ip Chun gave the baat jum dao??
Or Ip Ching?? Ip Ching was at least training before WSL chastised Ip Chun for being lazy and not training.
synkronyk 1 year ago
@synkronyk Being the head of the lineage, Ip Chun gave Sifu Kwok his Dad's knives :)
ozzie1246 1 year ago
@ozzie1246 a person who has never been in a fight by his own admission does not belong at the top of the list.
synkronyk 1 year ago
@synkronyk he wasn't lazy. just not interested. he preferred to teach music arts. he only began teach because of bruce lees rise to stardom and his father's desire for him to.
daitinyee2001 1 year ago
Agreed, the kick he does at 1.44, is the same in principle to the leg stomp yip man does here:
watch?v=BdVMmQzaJmo
I like WSL dummy form, nice and sharp!
mrjack001 3 years ago
So what if there is a discrepancy between Ip Man's dummy form and WSL's? Ip man "tidied" several sections of the dummy form he inherited as well. Gary Lam has "expanded" the dummy form that he teaches as well. WSL and Gary Lam and Nino Bernardo are all great wing chun teachers, legends in their own right. They have eanred the right to expound upon what they have learned and understood frrom their study of Ip Man's wing chun. Staying "true" to the art is maintaining its evolution perhaps.
bknives 3 years ago
Mofotox, you are right - according to the , let's say the 'legend', WSL implemented many modifications in the WC training and this modifications were previously discussed with Ip Man. Regarding the true to the art, well I think the principles are the most important, the movements or tehnics are secondary. As WSL use to say:be a master of the art, not its slave.
jimarata 4 years ago 8
nice vid, informative, my sifu WKL is a WSL student, so it's nice to see how much has been preserved. 3 thing's i see WSL does slightly different and can appreciate the difference. but I also notice WSL did not show the final 8 moves, which I'm told he invented himself. from what I'm told that sounds like him. anyway thanks for the nice vid.
bhibatsu 4 years ago
Nice footwork from WSL... )
soloVTKF 4 years ago
Thanks for posting this video. Always fascinating to see Gong Sau Wong at work.
sankai24 4 years ago