There is a basic aspect of CT's approach that I have not heard any mention of. Cecil may play many notes, and many at a time, but he seems to play one gesture at a time, and each gesture is an entire committment of his whole body. He doesn't divide his body up, like most pianist --- between right and left.
Mr. Taylor, what you've just played is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Taylor's style of music is classified as avant-garde. It is the backbone of today's jazz structures from punk rock to the smooth modern stuff. He uses modal jazz. Yes, it is purposely fragmented, with sustained notes following higher shrill notes. The music is in the 'abstract' category. Love it or hate it, this man is one of the greatest innovaters of the avant-garde jazz genre.
@liszt100 It's a laserdisc: on the Phillips label, "Summer Piano Festival". BET has been know to air this from time to time, which might be an easier way to get a copy of the full performance.
I think that there are certain schools within music that dare to explore emotions that are unpleasant and even grotesque. The music that portrays misery or fury should not sound "pretty" as much as a morbid painting should use pastel colors. You must think of this type of music as sound's version of macabre and if it makes you feel uneasy, then it is doing its job. Form and function used to portray a specific emotion. And that's what makes this music.
I saw his solo piano performance in Zagreb at Jazz Fair, I guess at 1987. It was the mindblowing experience for me. The one half of audience left a concert in a middle, the other half was extatic. His music is really not for everyone. Cecil's inspiration is just incredible. He is a genius.
those detractors who foolishly and ignorantly comment here on youtube about monumentally significant music such as this are similar to my math students who see something difficult or previously unknown to them and say "this is ridiculous! it makes no sense!" This is the human ego responding to the unknown. We make perfect sense; whatever we encounter that is unfamiliar or demands a new perspective from us "makes no sense." To gain entry to Cecil's musical world one need only listen.
I have no interest in defining what music 'is', in any way that would lead me to be accused of presenting some form of Meta-narrative, so I can only reply as an individual.
There is an element of WTF? when I listen to some music I must admit, but I find that in the case of performers like Taylor, these are more than compensated for by the periods where I feel elation.
I am happy with Anthony Braxton's definition of music as 'organized sound' personally - it seems to cover everything for me!
I still think Taylor's music seems to invite some questioning or questing in us. It's not a semantic or logical thing, mind you. It's kind of an emotional thing, and in this emotional sphere, I feel deeply moved and at the same time, wonder why this is, and what I'm looking for in his music, and for that matter, in any music, in the end. Bob, my word limits finish me here, but anyway, thank you for letting us see this and I fully appreciate your comment. Best.Chieko
you dont even have a vague notion... i wouldnt call that an opinion. maybe if you made an attempt to understand the form he's working with i would consider what you're saying an 'opinion'.
This performance certainly does qualify as a text., and thus as a language (be it somewhat hermeneutic) ... And I believe theroyalpriest is confusing 'meaning' with 'definition', but is still nonetheless entitled to his opinion... i would like to know your positions here re 'communicate'. The meaning I ascribe to this performance may have little to do with the authors intention but it's not at all clear that that is the sole purpose of 'organized sound'
At the very least I would insist that when Cecil Taylor plays he provokes a response in me.
That response, while dependent upon the stimulus is not the stimulus - it is something other.
The meaning for me then is a consequence of - but not the same thing as - the sound.
Indeed for sound to qualify as 'organized' it requires an 'organizer' - and the internal state of that organizer will change over time - thus the meaning will change - although the recording sound will 'remain the same'
In my view, Taylor's music challenges us, something in us to re-define what the music is, and what it is for. It engages us in exploration of what we individually are looking for and what we want. The music of QUEST, I must say. What do you think, bobjazz11?
This is what Cecil told a guy whom I met at one of Cecil's concerts in New York, when he ask him what he is trying to do on the piano. He said:"What good is it to play it, if you've already thought about it?"
In a way he sounds more like the classics. I'm thinking Prokofiev. I wonder if there's any stuff available of him playing a jazz standard. In his own explosive atonal way, of course, but I would like to hear what treatments he gives it.
check out the disc "Love For Sale" on Blue Note, early Cecil playing some great Cole Porter interpretations. Also check out "Jazz Advance," "Looking Ahead!," and "Coltrane Time" - other early Cecil records
Haha quote the bible.. that's good...play on a christians "convictions"...lol nice attempt but it didnt work. The fact still remains that I am entitled to my opinion and in my opinion this is equal to the random incomprehensible babblings of a toddler - interesting to hear, but it's not language, it doesnt communicate anything to anyone else. Lets agree to disagree without judging the character of a person by a youtube comment or statement of opinion.
No one else evokes that depth of sound from the piano. Cecil is a true revolutionary of the keyboard, he's created an entire new lexicon for musicians to draw from.
There is a basic aspect of CT's approach that I have not heard any mention of. Cecil may play many notes, and many at a time, but he seems to play one gesture at a time, and each gesture is an entire committment of his whole body. He doesn't divide his body up, like most pianist --- between right and left.
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Mr. Taylor, what you've just played is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
jaxjagsman 1 year ago
Taylor's style of music is classified as avant-garde. It is the backbone of today's jazz structures from punk rock to the smooth modern stuff. He uses modal jazz. Yes, it is purposely fragmented, with sustained notes following higher shrill notes. The music is in the 'abstract' category. Love it or hate it, this man is one of the greatest innovaters of the avant-garde jazz genre.
Oshooun11 1 year ago
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liszt100 1 year ago
@liszt100 It's a laserdisc: on the Phillips label, "Summer Piano Festival". BET has been know to air this from time to time, which might be an easier way to get a copy of the full performance.
mghands 1 year ago
I think that there are certain schools within music that dare to explore emotions that are unpleasant and even grotesque. The music that portrays misery or fury should not sound "pretty" as much as a morbid painting should use pastel colors. You must think of this type of music as sound's version of macabre and if it makes you feel uneasy, then it is doing its job. Form and function used to portray a specific emotion. And that's what makes this music.
MusicalArchitect 1 year ago
I saw his solo piano performance in Zagreb at Jazz Fair, I guess at 1987. It was the mindblowing experience for me. The one half of audience left a concert in a middle, the other half was extatic. His music is really not for everyone. Cecil's inspiration is just incredible. He is a genius.
aivankovic 1 year ago
Did Taylor study with Cowell at the New School in New York?
ggalvanphd 1 year ago
those detractors who foolishly and ignorantly comment here on youtube about monumentally significant music such as this are similar to my math students who see something difficult or previously unknown to them and say "this is ridiculous! it makes no sense!" This is the human ego responding to the unknown. We make perfect sense; whatever we encounter that is unfamiliar or demands a new perspective from us "makes no sense." To gain entry to Cecil's musical world one need only listen.
stochasticactus 1 year ago
This shit makes Scientology look legit!!!!
Ohflautistpleaze 1 year ago
@Ohflautistpleaze do you even know what you're saying?
mukmuklabuguen 1 year ago
you people are talkingto much this shit is the bomb. thats all know
KingMinosxxvi 1 year ago
@KingMinosxxvi
So WTF are you bothering to post for?
bobjazz11 1 year ago
Thanks for putting these up, I love me some Cecil Taylor and his percussion.
unumsedleonum 1 year ago
I bleieve we can only go so far with "so called" beauty. Then we either stop, or continue on...
jsmoovification 2 years ago
je plaint ses voisins..
playermusicpiano90 2 years ago
listening to music is an internal art. Even if you could spend your whole life doing nothing else you would still not expierience all its depths.
loren1283 2 years ago
love to hear that tunes, so many tunes, a whole universe. It's kind of healing expression. This is what poets do.
eldorado8888 2 years ago
I have no interest in defining what music 'is', in any way that would lead me to be accused of presenting some form of Meta-narrative, so I can only reply as an individual.
There is an element of WTF? when I listen to some music I must admit, but I find that in the case of performers like Taylor, these are more than compensated for by the periods where I feel elation.
I am happy with Anthony Braxton's definition of music as 'organized sound' personally - it seems to cover everything for me!
Bob
bobjazz11 2 years ago
@bobjazz11
Dear Sir,
I still think Taylor's music seems to invite some questioning or questing in us. It's not a semantic or logical thing, mind you. It's kind of an emotional thing, and in this emotional sphere, I feel deeply moved and at the same time, wonder why this is, and what I'm looking for in his music, and for that matter, in any music, in the end. Bob, my word limits finish me here, but anyway, thank you for letting us see this and I fully appreciate your comment. Best.Chieko
hellofromchieko 2 years ago
@bobjazz11
I prefer Varese's definition of music:
"The corporealization of intelligence that lives within sound."
Easleytee 2 months ago
Whoa... He plays that thing like it's a percussion instrument...! Never seen/heard anything like this...
Norybdroll 2 years ago 2
He's the black Xenakis.
synthwerk 2 years ago
he is channeling a voice from above
nepalnt21 2 years ago
exactly!!! you know.
loren1283 2 years ago
too much for my musical knowledge
haruwebshots 2 years ago
Too much noise! bad recording!
rekingooo 2 years ago
This is the greatest musician in history
joseluismiami 2 years ago
idd
powersack 2 years ago
listening to cecil always reminds me of the fall of troy for some reason, p.s. at 4:15 it gets fucking awesome
ihave2 2 years ago
you dont even have a vague notion... i wouldnt call that an opinion. maybe if you made an attempt to understand the form he's working with i would consider what you're saying an 'opinion'.
freejazzfree 2 years ago
This performance certainly does qualify as a text., and thus as a language (be it somewhat hermeneutic) ... And I believe theroyalpriest is confusing 'meaning' with 'definition', but is still nonetheless entitled to his opinion... i would like to know your positions here re 'communicate'. The meaning I ascribe to this performance may have little to do with the authors intention but it's not at all clear that that is the sole purpose of 'organized sound'
I do have an MA in music by the way
Bob
bobjazz11 2 years ago
how does this qualify as text?
i find music is much more anomalous in nature than the organizational logic of language.
and it seeks to communicate different things.. especially in the case of cecil.
freejazzfree 2 years ago
organized sound is more powerful because of its effects of sound.
The meaning and the sound are ONE... analyzing like language is to do experiments or cience , musical science, etc..
but the perception may be unexplinaay blbe...
jaja saludos
ZurDruid 2 years ago
Hi
At the very least I would insist that when Cecil Taylor plays he provokes a response in me.
That response, while dependent upon the stimulus is not the stimulus - it is something other.
The meaning for me then is a consequence of - but not the same thing as - the sound.
Indeed for sound to qualify as 'organized' it requires an 'organizer' - and the internal state of that organizer will change over time - thus the meaning will change - although the recording sound will 'remain the same'
Bob
bobjazz11 2 years ago
@bobjazz11
In my view, Taylor's music challenges us, something in us to re-define what the music is, and what it is for. It engages us in exploration of what we individually are looking for and what we want. The music of QUEST, I must say. What do you think, bobjazz11?
hellofromchieko 2 years ago
cecil isnt freely improvising.
most of his work is notated actually.
he is playing himself.
i wouldnt expect everyone to like this or even get it.
so why do the most ignorant folk have the loudest voices?
maybe they want everyone to know how empty they are.
freejazzfree 2 years ago
hey you are talking a lot...
very poetic but.... , well i dont get it , im sorry jajajajjaja
ZurDruid 2 years ago
88 drums!
curleysloth 2 years ago
great video; the most fun and happy kind of music!
enggopah 2 years ago
I'd hate to see what he'd do ot a drumset if he was a drummer....lol
theroyalpriest 2 years ago
I really feel sorry for the piano:)
But he is awesome in his own strange way!
Leangelove 2 years ago
@Leangelove
slender1 1 year ago
Sounds kind of like Bartok.
ProkofievFanatic 2 years ago 2
Prokofiev, yes. And Shoenberg and Webern and Mimoroglu.
Lamakunzang 2 years ago
great
the music !
hiromiinoue2003 3 years ago
This is what Cecil told a guy whom I met at one of Cecil's concerts in New York, when he ask him what he is trying to do on the piano. He said:"What good is it to play it, if you've already thought about it?"
mchang49 3 years ago 2
that is so strange and selfish response. he is very very interesting!
jude4312 3 years ago
Is he performing a standard in this video? If so, what's the name of the standard? I'm curious about that.
mrpossibilities 3 years ago
Completely free improvisation
nadavnaz2 3 years ago
In a way he sounds more like the classics. I'm thinking Prokofiev. I wonder if there's any stuff available of him playing a jazz standard. In his own explosive atonal way, of course, but I would like to hear what treatments he gives it.
mrpossibilities 3 years ago
check out the disc "Love For Sale" on Blue Note, early Cecil playing some great Cole Porter interpretations. Also check out "Jazz Advance," "Looking Ahead!," and "Coltrane Time" - other early Cecil records
vojtechprochazka 3 years ago
Thanks, man
mrpossibilities 3 years ago
He does some standards on his 50's album Jazz Advance. He totally blows up "Bemsha Swing".
disconnected22 2 years ago
beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RichardJ60 3 years ago
lovely stuff!
morphologies 3 years ago
thanks so much, a real treat!
prwalton 3 years ago
I think Cecil's early days are absolutely brilliant and some of the best avant jazz piano ever.
but this just sounds like a mess.
SidewalkFrequencies 3 years ago
A mess is something my dog makes in my backyard, I hardly think that's what this is.
It's truly great art.
fuman5 3 years ago
Who's to say your dog can't make art in the back yard?
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ok i thought it was just me, but I really agree with you. sounds like my 6 yr old daughter banging on my piano
theroyalpriest 2 years ago
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doradovitali 2 years ago
Well, congrats! Great daughter!
b.t.w.:
'Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up.' (Pablo Picasso)
doradovitali 2 years ago
you wish. you dont listen to alot of post tonal music do you?
SCordeliaB 2 years ago 2
Well spotted!
:-)
Bob
bobjazz11 2 years ago
did you channel this almighty wisdom from the creator.
sounds like you're being deceived.
'keep the tongue rare to fill the space with meaning'
'pluck the mote out of thine own eye, and then thou shalt see clearly to pluck the mote out of thy brothers eye'
freejazzfree 2 years ago
Haha quote the bible.. that's good...play on a christians "convictions"...lol nice attempt but it didnt work. The fact still remains that I am entitled to my opinion and in my opinion this is equal to the random incomprehensible babblings of a toddler - interesting to hear, but it's not language, it doesnt communicate anything to anyone else. Lets agree to disagree without judging the character of a person by a youtube comment or statement of opinion.
theroyalpriest 2 years ago
No one else evokes that depth of sound from the piano. Cecil is a true revolutionary of the keyboard, he's created an entire new lexicon for musicians to draw from.
Thanks for posting.
joseluismiami 3 years ago
Many many thanks
pianodan10 4 years ago
wow! a whole cecil solo concert on youtube. when was this shown?
postmeback 4 years ago
About 1984 I think
Bob
bobjazz11 4 years ago
whoa. thank you.
tommyschmitz 4 years ago
A pleasure
Bob
bobjazz11 4 years ago