You make it sound as if you are speaking for every person. I'm a gay person and I know for myself that the very idea of intimacy with a feeling makes me want to wretch! (no offense ladies). There is no fluidity of sexuality in me. As far as I'm concerned only a schizophrenic person is sexually fluid.
Most of the planet's psychologists and psychiatrists would disagree with you - as would homosexuals themselves. You are either gay or straight - anything in between is LUST.
@Popinion Maybe God destined you for celibacy? Jesus said, and Paul to, that some has that calling and gift. Then it's futile to search after hetrosexuality... That's my expereince.
Well, Sy Rogers was not actually a homosexual. He was a heterosexual who, by his own testimony, was molested, and deprived of gender edification, causing him to seek male effection and even go so far as to seek a sex change to feel adequate. He is not "ex-gay". He was never gay. He was a deeply emotionally and sexually wounded heterosexual whom the Lord has healed and restored to HIS natural heterosexual identity. That is VERY different from homosexual identity.
@Popinion7 I have over 40 years of experience with the so called "ex gay movement" ... Any other suggestions? If you don't know what I mean by Sy Rogers being more gay than any of my gay friends, I really don't know how to explain it to you. To help you along, one of my friends when he saw the video, asked "is that a man or a woman?".
@Popinion7 Because attraction is not a choice. I never chose to be attracted to women, There are many books on the psychology of sexuality. There is no literature other than that in the ex-gay movement that supports the view that sexual preference is a conscious decision.
@Popinion7 People outside the US don't notice much about what happens in your country. I didn't know who that person was till I googled him. I've met Sy, I like him, I just don't believe that he is genuinely attracted to women. I don't think he is a bad guy.
@Popinion7 I assume that you mean homosexual? What is "homoseksual (or homosexual) lifestyle"? I am a gay man deeply involved with a Christian lifestyle. I'm not exactly certain what you are asking. Do I support the so called 'ex gay" movement? Not in the least.
@Popinion7 I assume that you mean homosexual? What is "homoseksual (or homosexual) lifestyle? I am a gay man deeply involved with a Christian lifestyle. I'm not exactly certain what you are asking. Do I support the so called 'ex gay" movement? Not in the least.
Sy's problem from the beginning seem to be more about being an outcast than it was being homosexual. He wanted to fit in and now he does and he makes a lot of money doing it. His story is his own and has no relevance whatsoever to anyone else. If he's happy, more power to him, but he should not be spreading his dangerous message of hate and intolerance. Sy is also in league with Paul Cameron, a known liar,deceiver and charlatan.
@BobbyinNashville I am 100% agreement with you, I don't live in the USA, I think it is between the individual and god (or whatever they believe in) to reconcile this issue, but the problem is when you get people like this it is ok to say X is wrong, but you know they have an underlying evil agenda; history has taught us this but we don't pay attention. More power to Sy yes but leave others alone.
LOL what a load of bullshit :'] I'm sure in 1000 years my name will probably have some complex actual meaning to the people of the future, but right now im pretty sure that my dad called me sam, not "God is awesome, lol"
Just because he recycles his material doesn't mean his message is any less valid. I saw this same sermon a couple of years ago, it is still the truth and a good msg no matter how many times he says it.
@not4resale Just because he recycles his material doesn't make the message any less valid. I heard him give the exact same sermon a few years ago, the msg is still just as strong and good hearing it again today.
@not4resale severely disappointed??? Sir, I beg your pardon, what's wrong with that?? He's doing a sermon....The message is the essence..doesn't matter how repeatedly you hear it...you must get it..The Bible has read over & over & over again...so what's wrong...I think we're severely disappointed with you....!
@Franck2267 I work in a theatre company. I see actors day in, day out. When people work off a script they can lie incredibly convincingly and seem completely genuine. Hearing his sermon again from a few different sources being exactly the same indicates a liar. I'd like to believe that he is legitimate and he does have a very touching story but my faith in him was lost with this display of inauthenticity. and I couldn't give a toss if you're disappointed. I have my opinion and you have yours...
@timhrim Hmmm... It sounds like your first response is to try and demean the person you are arguing with through an ad hominem attack (attack the person, not the argument).
I hope you can understand that there is a performance aspect to sermons and people can get up on stage and lie to an audience.
@timhrim Your Pastor Sy Rogers is about 100 times more GAY than any of my gay friends. Just how deep in the sand do you people hae your heads stuck anyway? Does integrity mean NOTHING to you?
Looking at men like him, I'm almost compelled to consider homosexuality to be a genetic possibility. Everything about him is so effeminate. You can just TELL right off the bat! Is he a gay pastor by any chance? Or an ex-gay?
@redgirlinbluedresses He was sexually molested by his stepfather as a very young boy and yes, he thought it meant he was gay. There's a lot more to it than that, his story is incredible and you can hear God's love and compassion through Sy. If you ever have an opportunity to hear him, I hope you will, because you'll never be the same, in a good way.
he's not gay. i've seen him live and he explicity says he's no longer gay. well, depending on your definition of gay. he's camp, but he doesn't allow himself to entertain attractions to males.
"he's no longer gay"? That makes no sense. If you said "he is living a celebate lifestyle." That makes sense. But who you have sex with doesn't make you gay. It's in the heart, mind, body and soul. Being gay is an orientation, it's not something that you do.
I have always understood the 'gay as being a slang term for being homosexual. the definition of a homosexual is,
someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex
sexually attracted to members of your own sex
So, in fact, being Gay is exclusively tied to who you have sex with. If you have sex with opposite sex you are 'hetro' sexual. With the same sex, you are 'homo' sexual.
So until someone has sex, they have no orientation? So how do moral people who wait until they are married to have sex even know who to partner with if they have no orientation? This is a LUDACRIS and ignorant definition! Please open your eyes my friend. You are straight or gay LONG before you ever have sex! It is childhood that one begins to figure out which way God made them. I hope you learn this real fast as to no longer look foolish.
um, yeah but he says that his orientation has changed. so yeah, he's not gay anymore. he's attracted to his wife rather than men now. so not celebate, and not gay in practice, and not gay in orientation.
I am not his judge, but his Master and mine will one day ask him whether or not he lived in truth. I know what my answer will be but i can not comment on his.
If a gay man ONLY had sex with women, i would be SERIOUSLY heartbroken for the women knowing that there was NO connection. Obviously he would be cheating on them in his heart which Jesus says is what REALLY matters. Being gay or straight is determinded by what's in a person's heart, mind and soul... not what happens in the bed.
so what you're saying is that changing is impossible and Jesus was a liar when he said that he came to help you change and to put aside worldly desires and live in a way that pleases God. basically, those who are gay can never be straight and so they will forever be doing what God hates and God isn't powerful enough to bring about change.
No! I'm not! You, like many others like to put words in people's mouth to undermine THIER relationship w/ Christ when the're simply trying to share some TRUTH! The TRUTH is that NOTHING is impossible w/Jesus. I was born mexican, but He can make me CHINESE if He wanted to. The point is that He doesn't change gay people (FROM COUNTLESS TESTIMONIES) because there's nothing wrong with them! It's the congregations that SCARE people into lying about thier orientations, forcing them BACK in the closet!
could you maybe not shout at me and not lump me in with other people just because you disagree with me. and actually from sy's own testimony, he does change orientations from gay to straight. and sometimes people just have to struggle with it their whole lives. point is God says homosexuality is wrong. as you said, the heart is important, so one would conclude that gay orientation is also therefore wrong.
Amen, free2bfierce! The homophobia in today's Evangelitical Churches is the biggest display of hypocrisy we have in the world today. God help them all... in JESUS' mighty name. Be blessed.
wow, i never said anything about them lying and maybe we're just misunderstanding each other. but the bottom line is, homosexuality is wrong. you may be born that way, you may develop that way, it's irrelevant. it's wrong. i wish i could say it's ok, coz then i wouldn't have to be sad for the lifestyles of my friends, but i didn't write the bible. being honest about it is great, but allowing God to work thru you so you live the life he planned... way better.
Pretty much! Just like straight men who are in prison having sex with men. They don't fall in love with them. They aren't even really sexually attracted to them, however there's all that there is, so they do it! Now some gay men have been terrified and peer pressured to have sex with women and get married and then say afterwards that they just can't live the lie anymore and come out all over again! Living in TRUTH will avoid all this! If you are gay, BE gay! God MADE you that way!
Look at him! He's as gay as they come! He might be lying with his mouth, but his BODY LANGAUGE says it all! Am i being steriotypical? Not at all! There are some things that pertain to culture and to circumstance that are easily observable. Sy is gay and Jesus will have His words with him about why he isn't living in truth!
No, you're not being stereotypical, you're in fact being judgmental. But I can relate to your legalistic nature, considering that the churches today are 'raising' up Christians with intrinsic Pharisees standards.
Once you overcome your prejudice about Sy and what you THINK is to b a Christian, you might be really blessed my his message. Consider, at least, he seems to b doing much more than you to bring God's kingdom to earth (I know about His ministry,but never heard of yours..do you have 1?)
I am gay! I know how to spot another gay! Your words are wise, but your aim is misguided. I am not the enemy. I am a gay Christian who is disappointed in the self centered stance Sy has taken with his life. Instead of educating the TRUTH to others about the topic of being gay, he has bought into the brain washing of the evangilitical church that it is something to live in denial about and it furiates me. He is fanning the flame of injustice while holding the keys to understanding.
And, more than worrying about Sy's future conversation with God, think we should care more about OUR (yours and mine) future dialogue with the Almighty... don't you think?
There is also no proof that Jesus hated or condemned homosexuals. Jesus actually was an avocate for the Eunuchs which were the men that were gay, castrated, or lived celebate lives at the time. They were effeminate and never married women. He said "Do not call them Raca" which is the equivelent to todays "faggot".
exactly, Jesus's mission was out of love not condemnation thats why I cant stand hearing theise "christians" that sperad hate against gay people or any other group that they claim to hate.
Jesus never said it was ok to be homosexual tho. He came to fulfill the law, not to do away with it. The law being what was established in what we call the old testament. 1 corinthians 9-11. Jesus did speak against homosexuality; God was against it and they are one. However, Jesus never singled out homosexuality as we do today, but he always required repentence of any sin. But he came with grace, not condemnation. Love not hatred.
It makes no sense for God to create someone so that He can hate them! Donda, people like you are unable to separate the "who" and the "do" and that is dangerous. Sex between men doesn't make them "gay". There are straight men that engage in same sex activity and gay men that don't. Being gay is an orientation and we need to search for God's truth and not the interpretations of men. (Example: Many fundamentalist Pastors and NIV footnote writers)
sorry, God also mentions that homosexual behaviour is wrong, i should've clarified that. it's irrelevant if you're 'gay' or not. it's the behaviour, as you said. but he didn't make people to hate them. in fact, He says he loves the ppl he created so much that, tho we don't usually give a crap, he still sent his son to endure the punishment and go to the depths of hell in order that we would know he loves us.
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You make it sound as if you are speaking for every person. I'm a gay person and I know for myself that the very idea of intimacy with a feeling makes me want to wretch! (no offense ladies). There is no fluidity of sexuality in me. As far as I'm concerned only a schizophrenic person is sexually fluid.
hmghosthost 9 months ago
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Most of the planet's psychologists and psychiatrists would disagree with you - as would homosexuals themselves. You are either gay or straight - anything in between is LUST.
hmghosthost 9 months ago
@Popinion Maybe God destined you for celibacy? Jesus said, and Paul to, that some has that calling and gift. Then it's futile to search after hetrosexuality... That's my expereince.
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Well, Sy Rogers was not actually a homosexual. He was a heterosexual who, by his own testimony, was molested, and deprived of gender edification, causing him to seek male effection and even go so far as to seek a sex change to feel adequate. He is not "ex-gay". He was never gay. He was a deeply emotionally and sexually wounded heterosexual whom the Lord has healed and restored to HIS natural heterosexual identity. That is VERY different from homosexual identity.
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hmghosthost 1 year ago
@Popinion7 I have over 40 years of experience with the so called "ex gay movement" ... Any other suggestions? If you don't know what I mean by Sy Rogers being more gay than any of my gay friends, I really don't know how to explain it to you. To help you along, one of my friends when he saw the video, asked "is that a man or a woman?".
LifterWill 1 year ago
@Popinion7 Because attraction is not a choice. I never chose to be attracted to women, There are many books on the psychology of sexuality. There is no literature other than that in the ex-gay movement that supports the view that sexual preference is a conscious decision.
not4resale 1 year ago
@Popinion7 People outside the US don't notice much about what happens in your country. I didn't know who that person was till I googled him. I've met Sy, I like him, I just don't believe that he is genuinely attracted to women. I don't think he is a bad guy.
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@Popinion7 I assume that you mean homosexual? What is "homoseksual (or homosexual) lifestyle"? I am a gay man deeply involved with a Christian lifestyle. I'm not exactly certain what you are asking. Do I support the so called 'ex gay" movement? Not in the least.
LifterWill 1 year ago
@Popinion7 I assume that you mean homosexual? What is "homoseksual (or homosexual) lifestyle? I am a gay man deeply involved with a Christian lifestyle. I'm not exactly certain what you are asking. Do I support the so called 'ex gay" movement? Not in the least.
LifterWill 1 year ago
Sy's problem from the beginning seem to be more about being an outcast than it was being homosexual. He wanted to fit in and now he does and he makes a lot of money doing it. His story is his own and has no relevance whatsoever to anyone else. If he's happy, more power to him, but he should not be spreading his dangerous message of hate and intolerance. Sy is also in league with Paul Cameron, a known liar,deceiver and charlatan.
BobbyinNashville 1 year ago
@BobbyinNashville I am 100% agreement with you, I don't live in the USA, I think it is between the individual and god (or whatever they believe in) to reconcile this issue, but the problem is when you get people like this it is ok to say X is wrong, but you know they have an underlying evil agenda; history has taught us this but we don't pay attention. More power to Sy yes but leave others alone.
brismike65 1 year ago
LOL what a load of bullshit :'] I'm sure in 1000 years my name will probably have some complex actual meaning to the people of the future, but right now im pretty sure that my dad called me sam, not "God is awesome, lol"
92samf 1 year ago
Just because he recycles his material doesn't mean his message is any less valid. I saw this same sermon a couple of years ago, it is still the truth and a good msg no matter how many times he says it.
kazza2085 1 year ago
omg he recycles his material....
I saw him live tonight and I saw this exact sermon... word for word... even the jokes are exactly the same...
I am severely disappointed
not4resale 1 year ago
@not4resale Just because he recycles his material doesn't make the message any less valid. I heard him give the exact same sermon a few years ago, the msg is still just as strong and good hearing it again today.
kazza2085 1 year ago
@kazza2085
it loses its authenticity if its off a script...
not4resale 1 year ago
@not4resale severely disappointed??? Sir, I beg your pardon, what's wrong with that?? He's doing a sermon....The message is the essence..doesn't matter how repeatedly you hear it...you must get it..The Bible has read over & over & over again...so what's wrong...I think we're severely disappointed with you....!
Franck2267 1 year ago
@Franck2267 I work in a theatre company. I see actors day in, day out. When people work off a script they can lie incredibly convincingly and seem completely genuine. Hearing his sermon again from a few different sources being exactly the same indicates a liar. I'd like to believe that he is legitimate and he does have a very touching story but my faith in him was lost with this display of inauthenticity. and I couldn't give a toss if you're disappointed. I have my opinion and you have yours...
not4resale 1 year ago
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timhrim 1 year ago
@timhrim Hmmm... It sounds like your first response is to try and demean the person you are arguing with through an ad hominem attack (attack the person, not the argument).
I hope you can understand that there is a performance aspect to sermons and people can get up on stage and lie to an audience.
not4resale 1 year ago
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timhrim 1 year ago
@timhrim Your Pastor Sy Rogers is about 100 times more GAY than any of my gay friends. Just how deep in the sand do you people hae your heads stuck anyway? Does integrity mean NOTHING to you?
LifterWill 1 year ago
BTW that name thing actually was pretty cool!
redgirlinbluedresses 2 years ago
Looking at men like him, I'm almost compelled to consider homosexuality to be a genetic possibility. Everything about him is so effeminate. You can just TELL right off the bat! Is he a gay pastor by any chance? Or an ex-gay?
redgirlinbluedresses 2 years ago
@redgirlinbluedresses He was sexually molested by his stepfather as a very young boy and yes, he thought it meant he was gay. There's a lot more to it than that, his story is incredible and you can hear God's love and compassion through Sy. If you ever have an opportunity to hear him, I hope you will, because you'll never be the same, in a good way.
rachella1981 1 year ago
wat is dis
Presidentjh 2 years ago
I don't care that this man is gay, he's speaking some REAL truth here.
free2bfierce 2 years ago
he's not gay. i've seen him live and he explicity says he's no longer gay. well, depending on your definition of gay. he's camp, but he doesn't allow himself to entertain attractions to males.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
"he's no longer gay"? That makes no sense. If you said "he is living a celebate lifestyle." That makes sense. But who you have sex with doesn't make you gay. It's in the heart, mind, body and soul. Being gay is an orientation, it's not something that you do.
free2bfierce 2 years ago
I have always understood the 'gay as being a slang term for being homosexual. the definition of a homosexual is,
someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex
sexually attracted to members of your own sex
So, in fact, being Gay is exclusively tied to who you have sex with. If you have sex with opposite sex you are 'hetro' sexual. With the same sex, you are 'homo' sexual.
scoobenterpirse 2 years ago
So until someone has sex, they have no orientation? So how do moral people who wait until they are married to have sex even know who to partner with if they have no orientation? This is a LUDACRIS and ignorant definition! Please open your eyes my friend. You are straight or gay LONG before you ever have sex! It is childhood that one begins to figure out which way God made them. I hope you learn this real fast as to no longer look foolish.
free2bfierce 2 years ago
um, yeah but he says that his orientation has changed. so yeah, he's not gay anymore. he's attracted to his wife rather than men now. so not celebate, and not gay in practice, and not gay in orientation.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
I am not his judge, but his Master and mine will one day ask him whether or not he lived in truth. I know what my answer will be but i can not comment on his.
free2bfierce 2 years ago
SO if this man stopped having sex with other men, and now only has sex exclusively with a women, what is he? A incorrectly practicing homosexual?
scoobenterpirse 2 years ago
If a gay man ONLY had sex with women, i would be SERIOUSLY heartbroken for the women knowing that there was NO connection. Obviously he would be cheating on them in his heart which Jesus says is what REALLY matters. Being gay or straight is determinded by what's in a person's heart, mind and soul... not what happens in the bed.
free2bfierce 2 years ago
so what you're saying is that changing is impossible and Jesus was a liar when he said that he came to help you change and to put aside worldly desires and live in a way that pleases God. basically, those who are gay can never be straight and so they will forever be doing what God hates and God isn't powerful enough to bring about change.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
No! I'm not! You, like many others like to put words in people's mouth to undermine THIER relationship w/ Christ when the're simply trying to share some TRUTH! The TRUTH is that NOTHING is impossible w/Jesus. I was born mexican, but He can make me CHINESE if He wanted to. The point is that He doesn't change gay people (FROM COUNTLESS TESTIMONIES) because there's nothing wrong with them! It's the congregations that SCARE people into lying about thier orientations, forcing them BACK in the closet!
free2bfierce 2 years ago
could you maybe not shout at me and not lump me in with other people just because you disagree with me. and actually from sy's own testimony, he does change orientations from gay to straight. and sometimes people just have to struggle with it their whole lives. point is God says homosexuality is wrong. as you said, the heart is important, so one would conclude that gay orientation is also therefore wrong.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
Amen, free2bfierce! The homophobia in today's Evangelitical Churches is the biggest display of hypocrisy we have in the world today. God help them all... in JESUS' mighty name. Be blessed.
HotBoyRandom 2 years ago
wow, i never said anything about them lying and maybe we're just misunderstanding each other. but the bottom line is, homosexuality is wrong. you may be born that way, you may develop that way, it's irrelevant. it's wrong. i wish i could say it's ok, coz then i wouldn't have to be sad for the lifestyles of my friends, but i didn't write the bible. being honest about it is great, but allowing God to work thru you so you live the life he planned... way better.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
Pretty much! Just like straight men who are in prison having sex with men. They don't fall in love with them. They aren't even really sexually attracted to them, however there's all that there is, so they do it! Now some gay men have been terrified and peer pressured to have sex with women and get married and then say afterwards that they just can't live the lie anymore and come out all over again! Living in TRUTH will avoid all this! If you are gay, BE gay! God MADE you that way!
HotBoyRandom 2 years ago
Look at him! He's as gay as they come! He might be lying with his mouth, but his BODY LANGAUGE says it all! Am i being steriotypical? Not at all! There are some things that pertain to culture and to circumstance that are easily observable. Sy is gay and Jesus will have His words with him about why he isn't living in truth!
HotBoyRandom 2 years ago
No, you're not being stereotypical, you're in fact being judgmental. But I can relate to your legalistic nature, considering that the churches today are 'raising' up Christians with intrinsic Pharisees standards.
Once you overcome your prejudice about Sy and what you THINK is to b a Christian, you might be really blessed my his message. Consider, at least, he seems to b doing much more than you to bring God's kingdom to earth (I know about His ministry,but never heard of yours..do you have 1?)
JuliaFable 2 years ago
I am gay! I know how to spot another gay! Your words are wise, but your aim is misguided. I am not the enemy. I am a gay Christian who is disappointed in the self centered stance Sy has taken with his life. Instead of educating the TRUTH to others about the topic of being gay, he has bought into the brain washing of the evangilitical church that it is something to live in denial about and it furiates me. He is fanning the flame of injustice while holding the keys to understanding.
HotBoyRandom 2 years ago
And, more than worrying about Sy's future conversation with God, think we should care more about OUR (yours and mine) future dialogue with the Almighty... don't you think?
JuliaFable 2 years ago
Cool!
I like Sy's accent btw. Pretty southern aye?
0stsee 2 years ago
There is also no proof that Jesus hated or condemned homosexuals. Jesus actually was an avocate for the Eunuchs which were the men that were gay, castrated, or lived celebate lives at the time. They were effeminate and never married women. He said "Do not call them Raca" which is the equivelent to todays "faggot".
free2bfierce 2 years ago
exactly, Jesus's mission was out of love not condemnation thats why I cant stand hearing theise "christians" that sperad hate against gay people or any other group that they claim to hate.
tristaneAlexandria 2 years ago
Jesus never said it was ok to be homosexual tho. He came to fulfill the law, not to do away with it. The law being what was established in what we call the old testament. 1 corinthians 9-11. Jesus did speak against homosexuality; God was against it and they are one. However, Jesus never singled out homosexuality as we do today, but he always required repentence of any sin. But he came with grace, not condemnation. Love not hatred.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
It makes no sense for God to create someone so that He can hate them! Donda, people like you are unable to separate the "who" and the "do" and that is dangerous. Sex between men doesn't make them "gay". There are straight men that engage in same sex activity and gay men that don't. Being gay is an orientation and we need to search for God's truth and not the interpretations of men. (Example: Many fundamentalist Pastors and NIV footnote writers)
free2bfierce 2 years ago
sorry, God also mentions that homosexual behaviour is wrong, i should've clarified that. it's irrelevant if you're 'gay' or not. it's the behaviour, as you said. but he didn't make people to hate them. in fact, He says he loves the ppl he created so much that, tho we don't usually give a crap, he still sent his son to endure the punishment and go to the depths of hell in order that we would know he loves us.
DondaLonda 2 years ago
so well put Hes blessed!
KidJonathan 2 years ago
awesome. so encouraging
DannyGee 2 years ago
Very cool.
NoMoreMask 2 years ago 2