my father in law was having problems with the Win7 at Him netbook, this system was slow as hell... so I've installed Ubuntu 10,10 in him netbook, with Google Chrome and Thunderbird and he doesn't had any problems till now [ 2 months] sorry about my bad english
first of all yes, I have a pre-beta version and second of all yes the MPG 2 file for mat has been removed rendering .MTS files unusable. even after loading my disk for te Sony HDR XR 520V and secondly, don't ever assume anything about a person in what they should or should not use. It makes one look a tad on the idiot Mr Know it all side.@neogenysys2012
Note that it is still the developer preview, just for developers to start coding apps. A lot of it is still unfinished, the final version will also be desktop-friendly.
@ChiefLeftenant I think you are mistaking it with the start button, which had been removed. Microsoft isn't stupid, they know that there is a large number of desktop users.
@luzian If by that you mean it's not for people that can't afford time fucking around with a retarded interface that is more suited to high school kids with nothing better to do than sit and read facebook or tweets all day then YEAH, you're right. I hope they come out with nlite or vlite to get rid of all the fucking garbage they're dumping into it.
@Zepppster Windows 8 is still in development...the "Previews" (of which I have the Developer Preview installed on a spare computer), are not indicative of the Release To Manufacturing version...
is this guy serious? He's acting like he's never heard of Windows 8 before.....How can he not be familiar with the new UI? Even if he hasn't tried it yet he MUST have known about it.
@GuitarBoyEvan No, Windows 8 has NOT come out yet. The people "dissing" it are probably not the most knowledgeable individuals...kind of like this faux System Administrator. Everyone I know--who KNOWS Windows (including myself)--downloaded the Developer Preview when it was released. This is shown in that one day after MS released it, it was downloaded 500,000 times. Yes, that's right...
Ironically, the people that diss it are doing so because Win 7 was such a HUGE success for them.
@GuitarBoyEvan Who wants to spend another $300 for an Operating System, when the one they have works so beautifully? Even more, Win 7 is the core of Win 8... Thus, it may not make a ton of sense to upgrade (unless you have other devices [e.g. Windows Phone and Tablet]). Maybe if you're still clutching onto XP, you can upgrade as well.
Not against the upgrade, but I am super-pleased with Win 7 and MS hasn't won me over yet...but IT'S NOT OUT YET!!! lol
@neogenesys2012 1 or 2 monitors I can understand, but six is just pure lazyness. I'd love to see you try and convince a CEO of a company you need six monitors for your helpdesk job!
@imRyRy I thought I left you guys over at ZDNet... lol
Six active monitors and a segregated, single desktop is better than one monitor and six segregated desktops... Especially considering it's a Windows environment (probably Windows Server-based).
Not saying that your idea sucks (since Linux has its place, for sure), just that with 1.42% of the market share (per NetMarketShare, 02/21/2012), it's unrealistic...
@thejuan327 You Linux guys are out in full force.
Since you are obviously already in the future (Windows 8 is not out yet), is Ron Paul going to win in 2012? I need to know so I can militarize my home appropriately...
Microsoft will lock down Windows 8, only M$ Approved apps will be allowed to run on Windows 8. " Oh, we're sorry, we can't allow Rivatuner to be run on your system because of security issues. You're just going to have to wait and let your graphics card melt. " Or " Sorry, you cannot run this program because it can access system-level features that may cause harm to your PC. We won't allow that. " Just like Apple.
@triberofvengeance I see this as possible too (given MS' "Kill-Switch" that they'll implement from their App Store. However, I so hope that you--and my hyper-vigilance--is incorrect.
Since Win 8 is not out yet, guess we'll have to wait and see. Although, I have doubts they'll make that drastic of a move since one of the reasons people use Windows is because of the availability of software...
@hookemdan1010 W8 is actually a large improvement, it has a lot of new essential technical features. The new UI is useful simple HTPC tasks (with or without a remote control with features similar to a mouse). Also you can probably disable the default UI and load explorer.exe by default.
Google for "eight features in windows 8 borrowed from linux" without quotations. ReFS is very interesting.
@sebbeks Wow...thanks for the search string. I'm even more excited about the Consumer Preview to see how/if they've implemented any of these technologies into the OS yet...
For me, it's a debate between upgrading Home Premium to Professional on all machines at home, and (needlessly, but desirably) setting up a Windows Server-based network at home with a domain and file server, or upgrading to Windows 8 Professional and buying a WP8 and W8 Tablet...
@neogenesys2012 I haven't used W8. Just read about it, the new GUI is only there to be flashy. I have W7 Ultimate on of my workstations and I run Linux on my laptops and servers. Both OS' are good. I have an Android phone which I really like. I just hope W8 will not be rushed like Vista. Vista is what W7 was supposed to be. If you look at the kernel version of W7 I think it says 6.1 and 6 being Vista.
@sebbeks Yeah...you mean Win 7 is what Vista was supposed to be, but I fully follow. I've said the same thing to people to no avail. Now that Vista runs as it should, I'm admittedly surprised that they're coming out so fast with Win 8, but this is the new mantra for Monopoli--I mean, Corporations--today. I welcome it with skepticism, for sure. I don't think W8 will be rushed (they've learned, I think). This appears to be MS' response to Android and iOS... Can't wait to see how it all plays out.
@neogenesys2012 Hmm. I think Microsoft just don't want to release a new OS every 10 years, remember Windows 95, 98, 98 SE, 2000, Me, and the pre-XP NT operating systems. For some reason they stuck with XP for a long time. Other OS' have a lot faster releases. Ubuntu has 2 versions every year, Mac has one every year or every 2 years, some Linux OS' are rolling release so they get updated all the time and lack a version number. Yes W8 will compete with Android.
@cgountanis it's still buggy as hell though. metro has to be active for some basic functions to work. that's still what I thought, free windows 7 machine. :3
You can shut off Metro, it's very easy. I hope that Aero glass and aero bloated borders can be disabled as well just like in win7. The new features in win8, like redundancy in RAM being eliminated to free RAM, when you shutdown it actually hibernates, improved wifi connection times, able to take advantage of more than 1 core to boot etc is very cool
@danwat1234 "More than one core booting" has been implemented since XP...just had to change a setting...
The WiFi connection times, et al. all are exciting to me. A few months ago, I read that Win7 should use approx 100-200MB less memory than Win7. Given the cost of memory, it seems asinine, but from my perspective, the more available memory I have, the better I feel...Right now, I run 8GB and hardly ever (but it happens) exceed 4GB of usage. Aero is awesome...especially Snap!
@neogenesys2012 Oh i see, in msconfig, the 'Boot' tab, advanced button, "Number of processors" drop down list. But does that mean that XP can really use more than 1 core simulataneously during boot
@danwat1234 Thanks for continually doing your own research. Awesome...some people say things and don't really seek a solution.
I don't know what you mean by compatibility. That setting tells Windows how many cores to use when booting...period. That really means that XP can use more than one core when booting. MS has always tried to balance pushing the industry and profitting...With Vista, they pushed the industry too hard, too fast.
@danwat1234 Although I am overkilling here at home...I run an SSD with a quad core AMD...using all four cores when booting has a negligible improvement--I believe--on boot times...but I'm running an SSD with 8GB of memory on Windows 7 (which boots faster than XP)...
If you ever get the chance, try to upgrade to Windows 7...it's really amazing.
@BroknSircut I'm glad you two overcame your differences, but I find it rather unfair to call Vista trash just because it was before its time. Microsoft tried pushing the industry to adopt more robust hardware configurations (debatable intent, I'm sure), and fully failed. The other problem was the implementation of UAC...which was a heavy handed response to WinXP's failures, of course. I think they've got it tweaked now...and are branching into more realms a la Windows 8.
@epicusername95 fuck off you asshole, I never denied XP and 7 being better than Vista. Tell your mom to suck your cock, since that's all you're good for. you fucking piece of shit. Learn to read fucker
Seven is going to become the next XP... that's fine i use it pretty intensively and haven't had one blue screen or crash since release :) well maybe sometimes the explorer crashed; but it's back up within seconds so... many years for Seven to come!
I think that if you can remove/disable the metro interface completely, win8 will be a good os. (based on what I've seen so far)
There's a few nice improvements, like in the task manager (more like procex really) and now you can also pause and resume individual copy actions, which is something that was really missing IMHO.
@Stelomat Yeah...TeraCopy is beautiful. I tried having it as my default program for these operations, but noticed that there are instances where TeraCopy does not perform well at all. Thus, I have the default, Windows program and use TeraCopy on big jobs exclusively...
0:56 "What is this bullshit!" LOL We're in 2012 and I'm still using XP without a single issue. Not one issue. Previously I stayed with Windows 95 and then Windows 2000. I may buy Windows 7 later this year for the 64bit computing and to access all my 6GB memory.
@brisg74 6gb 2012 some mobile phones will have those amount :) but i understand your point doe to my profession i must keep up2date so win 7 is my main system right now and honestly its a big real big improvement against win XP.
@brisg74 Norton sucks, Did a test with both my computers one with norton and one with some other virus programs, norton didnt even recognize half of all the viruses i injected.
Welcome to the world of Norton. Now, try getting rid of that sucker :) Last I checked, you need a special tool to extract all the cancerous code from your OS. Invest in Avast. It's free, and it catches everything.
@MaestroDraven Something else free: Microsoft Security Essentials. Has not allowed one infection over the last three years... In addition, it uses very little resource... (presently using 5.508MB per my task manager report)...
With an SSD, my quick scans complete in under 30 seconds...(I believe it's closer to 20 sec to be honest...)
I'm not big on MSE, I don't really trust it. I'm not sure how many resources Avast uses, in truth I don't think it's very much, and when you have 12GB in your system, it really doesn't matter anyways.
1) User experience difference is debatable, since there are people I've helped with old Windows XP systems (meaning: not optimized), who are pleased to just to see the webpage load...never mind using a browser more modern than IE6... Things like jump lists, taskbar pinning...these are things you don't miss until you use them.
2) Try upgrading your AV to Microsoft Security Essentials. Norton is a known resource hog. See, this is what I mean: you don't know unless you actually try it.
3) Yes...Windows, built in Firewall. The customizable options are truly unbelievable compared to XP's firewall. I understand that you use Norton...see #2
4) Glad we agree... You don't really see these differences until you really get going with different programs simultaneously running; watching your page file get thrashed...
"Whose the smart one" was in relation to you upgrading with a lesser cost. You really should upgrade.
Do a goog search "xp vs 7"... Choose Maximum PC articl
@brisg74 In closing, I'm not saying that XP was not a good thing... For 2002, yes, Windows XP was amazing. It simplified (successfully in some, not as much in others) computing for the time. From burning CDs, to transferring files, Windows XP brought all of that to the forefront. However, its time has passed. Upgrading your OS is not about trends, it's about the modern world. XP was not built for today's internet, nor hardware...
Your good thing has lasted...now upgrade to the "new good" :-)
lol same reaction i had when i first installed it except i said they better give the option to go back to the standard start button when they release the retail version, anyway this is why im glad i have a cracked win7 ultimate 32/64 bit installer that's fully upgradeable
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@windowspczone again it'll probably be made something you can disable in the final build. People have already hacked into the dev build to get rid of metro.
I hate the new control panel by the way. They better have kept the option that just threw a list of icons at you. Even the "categories" thing in vista and 7 did nothing but make a bunch of options either hidden or impossible to find, but at least that could easily be disabled. I'm not sure if you can in Windows 8 but I sure hope so.
@francis2795 I agree, though I never had a problem with Vista. It seems that when MS changed the interface for Vista and now 8, it bothers many users. The questions I have are about stability, efficiency, and functionality. Win 7 eats up quite a bit more CPU and RAM than XP. I still use XP Pro on several of my PC's that I could install Win7 on. I just like the efficiency of XP. I wonder how MS has changed the OS for 8 besides the UI. Once the RC of 8 is released, I'll check it.
@Eric3Frog Every release of windows is more resource intensive than the last, and the min system requirements grow every time. Of course XP will run better on a lesser machine. Even when XP came out I would never put it on an older machine because they just didnt have the resources to spare. Honestly I dont see how 8 will be any beter than 7, especially seeing the new graphic intensive interface, that looks like its made for a touch screen, how can that use less resources.
@Tro1086 Win 8 is slated to use 100-200MB LESS memory than Win 7. Unless I'm mistaken, the engineers are trying to have Win 8 have a lower Minimum Specification than Win 7.
Win 7 boots and Shuts down faster than or equal to Win XP...
@francis2795 you have it wrong my brother. windows release history: windows 95: bad windows 98: good windows 2000: okay windows me: bad windows xp: good windows vista: bad windows 7: good windows 8: bad Windows 95 was terrible. Windows 98 was better!
@Tome4kkkk With only 1.42% of market share (and seeing the difficulties a Linux-Expert I know had with things I take for granted with Windows), I would say switching to Linux is the beginning of the madness...
Yes, I've used Linux, and no, Ubuntu--though it is a great distro--is not what I'm talking about...
"(and seeing the difficulties a Linux-Expert I know had with things I take for granted with Windows), I would say switching to Linux is the beginning of the madness"
Really? My mommy has to be some expert then. She use Linux (Ubuntu 11.10 x64) desktop for months now with no problems :D Me either. I use it with no problems even though I can only troubleshoot as far as doing exactly what people tell me to do on askubuntu com :)
@Tome4kkkk When your mom (you still call your Mother, "mommy"?) starts doing audio production, recording, mixing, and mastering, maybe I'll consider my programmer-buddy who builds his own Linux distros a slacker.
Now that that's out of the way...
Don't confuse my dismissal of Linux as a slight. Most people will not want to go through the "madness" of Linux customization to accomplish modern-mindless tasks (such as audio recording or video editing) that they do with Win and OSX.
@Tome4kkkk FWIW, yes, Ubuntu has a pretty intense support community. However, as I said in my original post, Ubuntu--though good--should not be considered a real representation of Linux. I've played with a few...did Administration on Red Hat/Fedora...trained on CentOS...you're not talking to a troll or otherwise not knowledgeable individual.
To me, for what most people do (surf web, listen to music), Windows is more than enough. In addition, MS Support is the best in the industry.
Maybe they should ask their fuck company why they change from XP to 7 to 8 if XP still has one or two years of support. Never change a running system, unless you REALLY have to. Here they dont have to. Yet.
@mkv1614 I don't even need to be a part of the company to answer that:
-Better security
-Easier, more intuitive User interface (such as Jump Lists and Taskbar Pinning)
-Faster (yes, it is faster--do research)
-Better memory optimization (why it's faster)
-64-Bit support
...any other questions?
Thus, great, future-focused company...slightly questionable System Administrator... From my experience, they probably kept this guy on and fired the more knowledgeable, focused employee...
@PeaSoupJim "literally" means something along the lines of "in the literal sense of the word". So when I say "literally nobody", I am implying there isn't a single person that is aware. And if you're going to attempt to call me out on that too, it's called a hyperbole. English 101.
I'm sticking with Windows 7 until Windows 9 comes out or until Microsoft makes a Windows 8 for advance users. This is 2012, the average person knows way more about computers than they did back in 1996. Kids these days are much more advance as well. Microsoft and Bill Gates are OUT OF DATE. We need some new blood and innovation in the industry. Thank you for your contributions Microsoft, but it's your time to head out. I'm not impressed at all.
i need to upgrade my harddrive - so switching to 8 would be good.. but does intel g41 chipset (integrated graphics) handle that start screen well? geforce went up in smoke and not planning to upgrade graphics for a few months...
@mazinais31 Win 8 should have lower minimum requirements than Win 7. Thus, if you're running Win 7 on your G41, then you should be able to run Win 8. I believe, at the end of the day, it's going to come down to your hardware manufacturer. Thus, Intel is who you should be concerned with, not Microsoft... Intel designs the drivers...
In many places this is precisely the point with all MS products - they are inconsistent and NOT user friendly. It looks like MS is going on the limb to make it each time harder for the user. The techies proverb about the web became "the answer is just a click away"... in case of MS it became "several undocumented clicks" which one learns when going for their MCSE certifications. WHY? All the settings buried in multilevel semi secret paths - plain ridiculous! Give me back my old PC too...
@SJKMAD Yeah, the MCSE and MCP are nonsense... The way Microsoft uses their OS (at least the way that they depict in the test) is unlike how most of the people who service their OS use it...
Windows 8 is actually extremely fast. It's file structure system and overall build is magnificent, and is much improved over Windows 7 making navigating much faster. "Ooooh, it has this *very* user friendly menu" - yeah, so it's less intimidating for newer users. It's *very* easy to not use this, and switch to the desktop most of us know and love. Personally, I love metro; It's sleek, quick, and the concept is very good.
Why don't some of you guys test Windows 8 before bitching. Shit..
WIndows 8 = FAIL
lij8 15 hours ago
my father in law was having problems with the Win7 at Him netbook, this system was slow as hell... so I've installed Ubuntu 10,10 in him netbook, with Google Chrome and Thunderbird and he doesn't had any problems till now [ 2 months] sorry about my bad english
lij8 16 hours ago
How do you become this position? I will be starting my bach of computer science this year, will that do?
McKenna654 1 day ago
Why are all system administrators always wearing blue shirts? Is it because of it's nicer with windows 8? Yeah, colormatch:)
turbojohnyS 1 day ago
first of all yes, I have a pre-beta version and second of all yes the MPG 2 file for mat has been removed rendering .MTS files unusable. even after loading my disk for te Sony HDR XR 520V and secondly, don't ever assume anything about a person in what they should or should not use. It makes one look a tad on the idiot Mr Know it all side.@neogenysys2012
ShutterbugW 1 day ago
Windows 8 = biggest FAIL from Microsoft...
I'm lucky boy, I turned Linux by a year ago... But, Windows 7 is by far best than windows 8
lij8 2 days ago
@lij8 what distro do you use? im rockin the fedora 14
emewify 1 day ago
@emewify I'm Ubuntu 11.10 x64. BTW, Fedora 16 is out right now
lij8 16 hours ago
@lij8 i see.. and i already knew about fedora 16 :p
emewify 15 hours ago
Are these supposed to be tech guys, and they don't know how to span the metro ui over all the displays, or at least 4 of them?
My only complaint with windows 8 functionality is they've done away with some important windows touch actions which were present in windows 7.
MammalAnonymous 2 days ago
I want M$ to watch this... REAL GEEKS USE WINDOWS 7 AND XP >:D
0oDarkLordRevano0 2 days ago
@0oDarkLordRevano0 lol
bigbigcarslivecom 2 days ago
SUDOKU!
TheCrazySquirell 3 days ago
Note that it is still the developer preview, just for developers to start coding apps. A lot of it is still unfinished, the final version will also be desktop-friendly.
christoiMc 3 days ago
@christoiMc Microsoft has already said that Windows 8 will be a Tablet centric OS. And the desktop has been removed from the beta version.
ChiefLeftenant 2 days ago
@ChiefLeftenant I think you are mistaking it with the start button, which had been removed. Microsoft isn't stupid, they know that there is a large number of desktop users.
christoiMc 2 days ago
At least you can turn the metro thing off in the registry
therealstudio1029 4 days ago
I think i need a monitor over there--
OOH I HAVE A S-VIDEO CABLE, LETS PLUG IT IN TO MY TV!!!
WindowsXpDude101 4 days ago
Apparently Windows 8 is not for balding system admins who want to stay in the past.
luzian 5 days ago
@luzian Idiot.
Driv3th3hiv3 4 days ago
@luzian "stay in the past" = "Not having to buy a new computer every 2 years"
merkur32123 4 days ago
@luzian If by that you mean it's not for people that can't afford time fucking around with a retarded interface that is more suited to high school kids with nothing better to do than sit and read facebook or tweets all day then YEAH, you're right. I hope they come out with nlite or vlite to get rid of all the fucking garbage they're dumping into it.
ctsincebay 4 days ago
Never before have I wanted a windows phone for an OS.
Auku1 5 days ago
This is NOT Windows 8...
neogenesys2012 5 days ago
@neogenesys2012 uhm, yea it is
Zepppster 4 days ago
@Zepppster Windows 8 is still in development...the "Previews" (of which I have the Developer Preview installed on a spare computer), are not indicative of the Release To Manufacturing version...
So no, this is NOT Windows 8, my friend.
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
Windows 8.. Consensus: the next major flop. Time for developers to push toward linux and mac!
Tritium9000 5 days ago
is this guy serious? He's acting like he's never heard of Windows 8 before.....How can he not be familiar with the new UI? Even if he hasn't tried it yet he MUST have known about it.
mebobbygillis 6 days ago
@mebobbygillis he recently upgraded to 3.11
hdofu 5 days ago
@hdofu lol
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
Has windows 8 even fully come out yet??? a lot of people are dissing it
GuitarBoyEvan 6 days ago
@GuitarBoyEvan Developer previews have been going on for a few months and the general consensus is that Microsoft have royally fucked up.
DecMan41 6 days ago
@DecMan41 Did a google search...couldn't find your "General Consensus"... Please list sources...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@GuitarBoyEvan No, Windows 8 has NOT come out yet. The people "dissing" it are probably not the most knowledgeable individuals...kind of like this faux System Administrator. Everyone I know--who KNOWS Windows (including myself)--downloaded the Developer Preview when it was released. This is shown in that one day after MS released it, it was downloaded 500,000 times. Yes, that's right...
Ironically, the people that diss it are doing so because Win 7 was such a HUGE success for them.
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@GuitarBoyEvan Who wants to spend another $300 for an Operating System, when the one they have works so beautifully? Even more, Win 7 is the core of Win 8... Thus, it may not make a ton of sense to upgrade (unless you have other devices [e.g. Windows Phone and Tablet]). Maybe if you're still clutching onto XP, you can upgrade as well.
Not against the upgrade, but I am super-pleased with Win 7 and MS hasn't won me over yet...but IT'S NOT OUT YET!!! lol
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
No matter what job you have, nobody needs that many monitors...
mephisto40 6 days ago
@mephisto40 You are mistaken, my friend... In the help desk environment, the more monitors the better...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 1 or 2 monitors I can understand, but six is just pure lazyness. I'd love to see you try and convince a CEO of a company you need six monitors for your helpdesk job!
mephisto40 2 days ago
@mephisto40 lol Point taken. However, you could always grab old monitors from the storage closet and put them in some sort of array...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
lol I find it funny how these "professionals" are unable to figure out something as simple as switching to Windows 7 mode.
koyettsu 6 days ago
Not enough screens.
JoeeHD 6 days ago
Someone please design the 6-Monitor Stand for this guy
or 8
SweetHubby82 6 days ago
i think the problem is that there is only 6 screens... not 8 :)
szakynko 6 days ago
Get a Linux distro and switch between desktops on a single screen.
imRyRy 1 week ago
@imRyRy I thought I left you guys over at ZDNet... lol
Six active monitors and a segregated, single desktop is better than one monitor and six segregated desktops... Especially considering it's a Windows environment (probably Windows Server-based).
Not saying that your idea sucks (since Linux has its place, for sure), just that with 1.42% of the market share (per NetMarketShare, 02/21/2012), it's unrealistic...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
windows 8 will not be a os to manage systems better use linux for this
thejuan327 1 week ago
@thejuan327 You Linux guys are out in full force.
Since you are obviously already in the future (Windows 8 is not out yet), is Ron Paul going to win in 2012? I need to know so I can militarize my home appropriately...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
I see this and i see myself, always eating and drinking sit in my SA Office.
webmasale 1 week ago
"Give me back my real PC."
jtn2002 1 week ago 11
Microsoft will lock down Windows 8, only M$ Approved apps will be allowed to run on Windows 8. " Oh, we're sorry, we can't allow Rivatuner to be run on your system because of security issues. You're just going to have to wait and let your graphics card melt. " Or " Sorry, you cannot run this program because it can access system-level features that may cause harm to your PC. We won't allow that. " Just like Apple.
triberofvengeance 1 week ago
@triberofvengeance I see this as possible too (given MS' "Kill-Switch" that they'll implement from their App Store. However, I so hope that you--and my hyper-vigilance--is incorrect.
Since Win 8 is not out yet, guess we'll have to wait and see. Although, I have doubts they'll make that drastic of a move since one of the reasons people use Windows is because of the availability of software...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
I agree with the guy. Its a bunch of garbage Microsoft puts on it. Where is the PROFESSIONAL part to Windows 8.
hookemdan1010 1 week ago 33
@hookemdan1010
It's a developer preview.
Hope that clears a few things up for you.
CaNsAsince1985 1 week ago
@hookemdan1010 W8 is actually a large improvement, it has a lot of new essential technical features. The new UI is useful simple HTPC tasks (with or without a remote control with features similar to a mouse). Also you can probably disable the default UI and load explorer.exe by default.
Google for "eight features in windows 8 borrowed from linux" without quotations. ReFS is very interesting.
sebbeks 1 week ago
@sebbeks Wow...thanks for the search string. I'm even more excited about the Consumer Preview to see how/if they've implemented any of these technologies into the OS yet...
For me, it's a debate between upgrading Home Premium to Professional on all machines at home, and (needlessly, but desirably) setting up a Windows Server-based network at home with a domain and file server, or upgrading to Windows 8 Professional and buying a WP8 and W8 Tablet...
At this point,
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@sebbeks I do see the copy status tech incorporated, but haven't taken note of anything else...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 I haven't used W8. Just read about it, the new GUI is only there to be flashy. I have W7 Ultimate on of my workstations and I run Linux on my laptops and servers. Both OS' are good. I have an Android phone which I really like. I just hope W8 will not be rushed like Vista. Vista is what W7 was supposed to be. If you look at the kernel version of W7 I think it says 6.1 and 6 being Vista.
sebbeks 2 days ago
@sebbeks Yeah...you mean Win 7 is what Vista was supposed to be, but I fully follow. I've said the same thing to people to no avail. Now that Vista runs as it should, I'm admittedly surprised that they're coming out so fast with Win 8, but this is the new mantra for Monopoli--I mean, Corporations--today. I welcome it with skepticism, for sure. I don't think W8 will be rushed (they've learned, I think). This appears to be MS' response to Android and iOS... Can't wait to see how it all plays out.
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
@neogenesys2012 Hmm. I think Microsoft just don't want to release a new OS every 10 years, remember Windows 95, 98, 98 SE, 2000, Me, and the pre-XP NT operating systems. For some reason they stuck with XP for a long time. Other OS' have a lot faster releases. Ubuntu has 2 versions every year, Mac has one every year or every 2 years, some Linux OS' are rolling release so they get updated all the time and lack a version number. Yes W8 will compete with Android.
sebbeks 7 hours ago
@hookemdan1010 It's not there...
ChiefLeftenant 2 days ago
98 SE was a beast, wot you talkin bout willis? win7 no thx.
laffo16 1 week ago
really "funny" how he reads everything on the screen out loud and comments on it, like a 60-year-old... NOT
theluke01 1 week ago
When it comes to shit, Vista wins big time
royalarctic 1 week ago
You for got DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and 3.11. All of which were better than 95.
jcoffland 1 week ago
yes, i dont like that metro UI on PCs either. Hope they make that optional, so i can have my start menu and no metro UI.
macc2xx 1 week ago
Windows 8 will be the best OS ever followed by Windows 7 and Windows XP
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
WTF 6 MONITORS!?!?!?
Win2KFan 1 week ago
Disable Metro and you got a free Windows 7 machine.
cgountanis 1 week ago
@cgountanis it's still buggy as hell though. metro has to be active for some basic functions to work. that's still what I thought, free windows 7 machine. :3
tigresslover 1 week ago
@cgountanis only till the next milestone
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
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@applesucks4ever What happens at next milestone, you can't disable Metro??? In response to "Disable Metro and you got a free Windows 7 machine."
cgountanis 1 week ago
I STILL USE VISTA TOO IT IS AWESOME!!
TeebagTechMan 1 week ago
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osaeed08 1 week ago
You can shut off Metro, it's very easy. I hope that Aero glass and aero bloated borders can be disabled as well just like in win7. The new features in win8, like redundancy in RAM being eliminated to free RAM, when you shutdown it actually hibernates, improved wifi connection times, able to take advantage of more than 1 core to boot etc is very cool
danwat1234 1 week ago
@danwat1234 there is a setting in windows 7 that allows you to set how many cores are used at boot up.
EQINOX187 1 week ago
@danwat1234 "More than one core booting" has been implemented since XP...just had to change a setting...
The WiFi connection times, et al. all are exciting to me. A few months ago, I read that Win7 should use approx 100-200MB less memory than Win7. Given the cost of memory, it seems asinine, but from my perspective, the more available memory I have, the better I feel...Right now, I run 8GB and hardly ever (but it happens) exceed 4GB of usage. Aero is awesome...especially Snap!
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 Where is the more than one core booting option in XP? I don't see that setting.
danwat1234 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 Oh i see, in msconfig, the 'Boot' tab, advanced button, "Number of processors" drop down list. But does that mean that XP can really use more than 1 core simulataneously during boot
danwat1234 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 Or is it just some compatibility option?
danwat1234 2 days ago
@danwat1234 Thanks for continually doing your own research. Awesome...some people say things and don't really seek a solution.
I don't know what you mean by compatibility. That setting tells Windows how many cores to use when booting...period. That really means that XP can use more than one core when booting. MS has always tried to balance pushing the industry and profitting...With Vista, they pushed the industry too hard, too fast.
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
@danwat1234 Although I am overkilling here at home...I run an SSD with a quad core AMD...using all four cores when booting has a negligible improvement--I believe--on boot times...but I'm running an SSD with 8GB of memory on Windows 7 (which boots faster than XP)...
If you ever get the chance, try to upgrade to Windows 7...it's really amazing.
FTR: I am a System Administrator...
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
i still use vista...
shadowdemonlord 1 week ago
Really 6 computers
videogames991 1 week ago
@videogames991 6 moniters.......
kYMHUUDINH209 1 week ago
@videogames991 MONITORS! not computers man. Know the difference please!
osaeed08 1 week ago
@osaeed08 You get it don't be a douche
videogames991 1 week ago
Of course i understand, I am a network engineer. I highly recommend taking Introduction to Computers at your local college.
osaeed08 1 week ago
Windows release history:
Windows 95: good
Windows 98: ...
Windows 98se: good
Windows 2000: good
Windows ME: never again
Windows xp: good at times, other times bad
Windows Vista: oh why. WHY???!!!
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: crap
epicusername95 1 week ago
@epicusername95 Vista is not fucking bad! I'm tired of all these assholes who hate Vista. Vista is awesome.
nsync1218 1 week ago 2
@nsync1218 You havent seen 7
BroknSircut 1 week ago
@BroknSircut I'm using 7 Ultimate. Ass.
nsync1218 1 week ago
@nsync1218 ha ha so am i and im so darn glad too be... besides did you see how much ram vista uses compared to 7??? its pretty shitty.
BroknSircut 1 week ago
@BroknSircut Da. A memory whore!
Sorry for the harsh words earlier. :)
nsync1218 1 week ago
@BroknSircut I'm glad you two overcame your differences, but I find it rather unfair to call Vista trash just because it was before its time. Microsoft tried pushing the industry to adopt more robust hardware configurations (debatable intent, I'm sure), and fully failed. The other problem was the implementation of UAC...which was a heavy handed response to WinXP's failures, of course. I think they've got it tweaked now...and are branching into more realms a la Windows 8.
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
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neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@epicusername95 fuck off dick hole
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
@applesucks4ever go suck a cock, and while you're at it, learn to not be so offended by the fact that xp and 7 were just simply better than Vista
epicusername95 1 week ago
@epicusername95 fuck off you asshole, I never denied XP and 7 being better than Vista. Tell your mom to suck your cock, since that's all you're good for. you fucking piece of shit. Learn to read fucker
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
@applesucks4ever calm the fuck down dumbass. You started it and whatnot
epicusername95 1 week ago
That guy doesn't have enough screens.
ashbayly69 1 week ago 58
@ashbayly69 Usually thats for like stock market jazz.
mbe102 6 days ago
eh, you don't know people take a joke, mark what they they did to him and how he reacts the real boss
cezary1234666 6 days ago
are you hacker..?
Manishfromsweden 1 week ago
Seven is going to become the next XP... that's fine i use it pretty intensively and haven't had one blue screen or crash since release :) well maybe sometimes the explorer crashed; but it's back up within seconds so... many years for Seven to come!
pbkielyo 1 week ago
that was last year. has he been using it since then?
Craigoryi 1 week ago
I think that if you can remove/disable the metro interface completely, win8 will be a good os. (based on what I've seen so far)
There's a few nice improvements, like in the task manager (more like procex really) and now you can also pause and resume individual copy actions, which is something that was really missing IMHO.
mace1337 1 week ago
@mace1337 the copy functionality is missing for a long long time i would really love to have it. atm i use teracopy as a solution
Stelomat 1 week ago
@Stelomat Yeah...TeraCopy is beautiful. I tried having it as my default program for these operations, but noticed that there are instances where TeraCopy does not perform well at all. Thus, I have the default, Windows program and use TeraCopy on big jobs exclusively...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
0:56 "What is this bullshit!" LOL We're in 2012 and I'm still using XP without a single issue. Not one issue. Previously I stayed with Windows 95 and then Windows 2000. I may buy Windows 7 later this year for the 64bit computing and to access all my 6GB memory.
brisg74 1 week ago
@brisg74 You have 6GB of RAM? wtf is the point when you can't use it all?!
Genixel 1 week ago
@brisg74 6gb 2012 some mobile phones will have those amount :) but i understand your point doe to my profession i must keep up2date so win 7 is my main system right now and honestly its a big real big improvement against win XP.
Stelomat 1 week ago
@brisg74 You have issues:
1) Using 32-Bit Computing environment
2) Using the most attacked Operating System 'til this day
3) Not having a robust, customizable Windows Firewall
4) The inability to use all of the Memory you have since your OS inherently limits you to 4GB (minus shared video memory)...
But hey, if you wait for Windows 8 to come out, you should save on your upgrade to Windows 7... Hmmm...wonder whose the smart one now lol
Live well, my friend...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012 If I could reply to each of your points on the differences between XP 32bit and 7 64bit:
1) What is the difference in terms of user experience? Everyone I know claims it runs the same.
2) Being the most attacked OS can be a sign of its success. I have a router and Norton's so *no* issues here.
3) Windows Firewall?
4) Correct. See (1).
"whose the smart one" is not relevant. Some people like to follow trend, some like to get value for money. Make a good thing last.
brisg74 1 day ago
@brisg74 Norton sucks, Did a test with both my computers one with norton and one with some other virus programs, norton didnt even recognize half of all the viruses i injected.
SkOcelote 1 day ago
@SkOcelote
Welcome to the world of Norton. Now, try getting rid of that sucker :) Last I checked, you need a special tool to extract all the cancerous code from your OS. Invest in Avast. It's free, and it catches everything.
MaestroDraven 1 day ago
@MaestroDraven Something else free: Microsoft Security Essentials. Has not allowed one infection over the last three years... In addition, it uses very little resource... (presently using 5.508MB per my task manager report)...
With an SSD, my quick scans complete in under 30 seconds...(I believe it's closer to 20 sec to be honest...)
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
@neogenesys2012
I'm not big on MSE, I don't really trust it. I'm not sure how many resources Avast uses, in truth I don't think it's very much, and when you have 12GB in your system, it really doesn't matter anyways.
MaestroDraven 4 hours ago
@SkOcelote
Yeah man fuck norton, that program is too systems heavy anyways.
RainysAnime 1 day ago
@RainysAnime Indeed.
SkOcelote 1 day ago
@SkOcelote Are you ocelote or are you imposter >:O
MaplebyCheese 20 hours ago
@brisg74
1) User experience difference is debatable, since there are people I've helped with old Windows XP systems (meaning: not optimized), who are pleased to just to see the webpage load...never mind using a browser more modern than IE6... Things like jump lists, taskbar pinning...these are things you don't miss until you use them.
2) Try upgrading your AV to Microsoft Security Essentials. Norton is a known resource hog. See, this is what I mean: you don't know unless you actually try it.
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
@brisg74
3) Yes...Windows, built in Firewall. The customizable options are truly unbelievable compared to XP's firewall. I understand that you use Norton...see #2
4) Glad we agree... You don't really see these differences until you really get going with different programs simultaneously running; watching your page file get thrashed...
"Whose the smart one" was in relation to you upgrading with a lesser cost. You really should upgrade.
Do a goog search "xp vs 7"... Choose Maximum PC articl
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
@brisg74 In closing, I'm not saying that XP was not a good thing... For 2002, yes, Windows XP was amazing. It simplified (successfully in some, not as much in others) computing for the time. From burning CDs, to transferring files, Windows XP brought all of that to the forefront. However, its time has passed. Upgrading your OS is not about trends, it's about the modern world. XP was not built for today's internet, nor hardware...
Your good thing has lasted...now upgrade to the "new good" :-)
neogenesys2012 11 hours ago
lol same reaction i had when i first installed it except i said they better give the option to go back to the standard start button when they release the retail version, anyway this is why im glad i have a cracked win7 ultimate 32/64 bit installer that's fully upgradeable
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jsuttonus 1 week ago
@windowspczone again it'll probably be made something you can disable in the final build. People have already hacked into the dev build to get rid of metro.
I hate the new control panel by the way. They better have kept the option that just threw a list of icons at you. Even the "categories" thing in vista and 7 did nothing but make a bunch of options either hidden or impossible to find, but at least that could easily be disabled. I'm not sure if you can in Windows 8 but I sure hope so.
zedd56 1 week ago
windows release history:
windows 95: good
windows 98: bad
windows 2000: good
windows me: bad
windows xp: good
windows vista: bad
windows 7: good
windows 8: bad
francis2795 1 week ago 86
@francis2795 98 was not that bad, just mediocre
lukeyami 1 week ago
@francis2795 No Windows 98 I have to say was way better then Windows 95. Windows 98, xp , win 7 all the best.
3624nathan 1 week ago
@francis2795 Windows 8 isn't even in beta yet and you're saying it's bad? Wow...
Crashbndcoot121 1 week ago
@Crashbndcoot121 its in beta writin with it right now. google it up
Stelomat 1 week ago
@Stelomat It's in Developer Preview right now... Windows 8 is FAR from beta. And you can't judge an OS just from it's early state.
Crashbndcoot121 1 week ago
@Crashbndcoot121 Preview, beta. Shit software either way. Metro is just fancy shortcuts meant for tablets.
JustineBieberxoxo 1 week ago
@JustineBieberxoxo Yeah, but you can still use the classic Windows.
Crashbndcoot121 1 week ago
@francis2795 jejeje Cool!
angelcanoacrecords 1 week ago
@francis2795 you forgot win 96 secound edition ^^
Stelomat 1 week ago
@francis2795 I agree, though I never had a problem with Vista. It seems that when MS changed the interface for Vista and now 8, it bothers many users. The questions I have are about stability, efficiency, and functionality. Win 7 eats up quite a bit more CPU and RAM than XP. I still use XP Pro on several of my PC's that I could install Win7 on. I just like the efficiency of XP. I wonder how MS has changed the OS for 8 besides the UI. Once the RC of 8 is released, I'll check it.
Eric3Frog 1 week ago
@Eric3Frog Every release of windows is more resource intensive than the last, and the min system requirements grow every time. Of course XP will run better on a lesser machine. Even when XP came out I would never put it on an older machine because they just didnt have the resources to spare. Honestly I dont see how 8 will be any beter than 7, especially seeing the new graphic intensive interface, that looks like its made for a touch screen, how can that use less resources.
Tro1086 1 week ago
@Tro1086 It does uses less resources you fuck, quit talking like you know jack shit
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
@Tro1086 Win 8 is slated to use 100-200MB LESS memory than Win 7. Unless I'm mistaken, the engineers are trying to have Win 8 have a lower Minimum Specification than Win 7.
Win 7 boots and Shuts down faster than or equal to Win XP...
Just read...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@francis2795 you missed windows NT 4.0 and windows server 2003, 2008
BinaryReader 1 week ago
@BinaryReader because those are business OS's
G20GAN 1 week ago
@francis2795 you mean windows vista HORRIBLE,windows 7 meh ,windows 8....washroom tiles WTF is this stupid shit
kyuubiflame 1 week ago
@kyuubiflame fuck off asshole
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
@francis2795 it's Windows you motherfucker
applesucks4ever 1 week ago
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osaeed08 1 week ago
@francis2795 What was wrong with Win98, over Win95? I've only had '98 of the two of them, but what was the major difference?
DarkYuan4 1 week ago
@francis2795 Waiting for Windows 9 FTW!!!!!! ( I just am going to skip this release all together.)
Deidyomega 1 week ago
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@francis2795
windows release history:
windows 95: good
windows 98: good
windows 2000: good
windows me: bad
windows xp: good
windows vista: TERRIBLE
windows 7: good
windows 8: bad
pat20105 1 week ago
@francis2795
Windows 98 was not bad (better than Windows 95). Windows 2000 are Microsofts best OS ever. Windows ME and Windows 8 seems to be the worst OS ever
TigerArmy1962 1 week ago
Switch to Linux to end this madness! ;D
Tome4kkkk 2 weeks ago 2
@Tome4kkkk With only 1.42% of market share (and seeing the difficulties a Linux-Expert I know had with things I take for granted with Windows), I would say switching to Linux is the beginning of the madness...
Yes, I've used Linux, and no, Ubuntu--though it is a great distro--is not what I'm talking about...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
@neogenesys2012
"(and seeing the difficulties a Linux-Expert I know had with things I take for granted with Windows), I would say switching to Linux is the beginning of the madness"
Really? My mommy has to be some expert then. She use Linux (Ubuntu 11.10 x64) desktop for months now with no problems :D Me either. I use it with no problems even though I can only troubleshoot as far as doing exactly what people tell me to do on askubuntu com :)
Tome4kkkk 1 day ago
@Tome4kkkk When your mom (you still call your Mother, "mommy"?) starts doing audio production, recording, mixing, and mastering, maybe I'll consider my programmer-buddy who builds his own Linux distros a slacker.
Now that that's out of the way...
Don't confuse my dismissal of Linux as a slight. Most people will not want to go through the "madness" of Linux customization to accomplish modern-mindless tasks (such as audio recording or video editing) that they do with Win and OSX.
That's all...
neogenesys2012 12 hours ago
@Tome4kkkk FWIW, yes, Ubuntu has a pretty intense support community. However, as I said in my original post, Ubuntu--though good--should not be considered a real representation of Linux. I've played with a few...did Administration on Red Hat/Fedora...trained on CentOS...you're not talking to a troll or otherwise not knowledgeable individual.
To me, for what most people do (surf web, listen to music), Windows is more than enough. In addition, MS Support is the best in the industry.
neogenesys2012 12 hours ago
Maybe they should ask their fuck company why they change from XP to 7 to 8 if XP still has one or two years of support. Never change a running system, unless you REALLY have to. Here they dont have to. Yet.
mkv1614 2 weeks ago
@mkv1614 because windows XP does not have very good support for 64bit and large memory (4gb+) and people do have that in their computers
jamiek64 1 week ago
@mkv1614 Because people want to use more than 4GB of RAM!
iOSXthings 1 week ago
@mkv1614 I don't even need to be a part of the company to answer that:
-Better security
-Easier, more intuitive User interface (such as Jump Lists and Taskbar Pinning)
-Faster (yes, it is faster--do research)
-Better memory optimization (why it's faster)
-64-Bit support
...any other questions?
Thus, great, future-focused company...slightly questionable System Administrator... From my experience, they probably kept this guy on and fired the more knowledgeable, focused employee...
neogenesys2012 12 hours ago
@PeaSoupJim "literally" means something along the lines of "in the literal sense of the word". So when I say "literally nobody", I am implying there isn't a single person that is aware. And if you're going to attempt to call me out on that too, it's called a hyperbole. English 101.
zedd56 2 weeks ago
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I'm sticking with Windows 7 until Windows 9 comes out or until Microsoft makes a Windows 8 for advance users. This is 2012, the average person knows way more about computers than they did back in 1996. Kids these days are much more advance as well. Microsoft and Bill Gates are OUT OF DATE. We need some new blood and innovation in the industry. Thank you for your contributions Microsoft, but it's your time to head out. I'm not impressed at all.
GhostShadowXII 2 weeks ago
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GhostShadowXII 2 weeks ago
No looking forward to 8
shane8109 2 weeks ago
i need to upgrade my harddrive - so switching to 8 would be good.. but does intel g41 chipset (integrated graphics) handle that start screen well? geforce went up in smoke and not planning to upgrade graphics for a few months...
mazinais31 2 weeks ago
@mazinais31 Win 8 should have lower minimum requirements than Win 7. Thus, if you're running Win 7 on your G41, then you should be able to run Win 8. I believe, at the end of the day, it's going to come down to your hardware manufacturer. Thus, Intel is who you should be concerned with, not Microsoft... Intel designs the drivers...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
In many places this is precisely the point with all MS products - they are inconsistent and NOT user friendly. It looks like MS is going on the limb to make it each time harder for the user. The techies proverb about the web became "the answer is just a click away"... in case of MS it became "several undocumented clicks" which one learns when going for their MCSE certifications. WHY? All the settings buried in multilevel semi secret paths - plain ridiculous! Give me back my old PC too...
SJKMAD 2 weeks ago
@SJKMAD Yeah, the MCSE and MCP are nonsense... The way Microsoft uses their OS (at least the way that they depict in the test) is unlike how most of the people who service their OS use it...
neogenesys2012 2 days ago
Windows 8 is actually extremely fast. It's file structure system and overall build is magnificent, and is much improved over Windows 7 making navigating much faster. "Ooooh, it has this *very* user friendly menu" - yeah, so it's less intimidating for newer users. It's *very* easy to not use this, and switch to the desktop most of us know and love. Personally, I love metro; It's sleek, quick, and the concept is very good.
Why don't some of you guys test Windows 8 before bitching. Shit..
ItsJustATrick 2 weeks ago 2