@planetery What is the point of art? Isn't it all just responses to the things, thoughts and sensations combined with documentation. You use media to make a perspective tangible and visible to others. Art, animation, and all media are just a tool to capture something intangible.
Some artists saw it as you already do and they have little to offer you. Others see differently then you and they can offer a new perspective if you are open to it.
@planetery You are right on both accounts. The project was a supplemental experience that is intended to be kaleidoscopic and cacophonous not a cohesive stand alone film. Most hard core fans have seen night to the point that they know the beats by heart... the intent wasn't to replace that... but to show a collection of responses which can inform future viewing of that original film. So you're not wrong in what you're saying... but it doesn't align with the project's goals.
@kureejiieshi If the goal is not to make a cohesive film, then the project needs to try harder. Genius is in the editing. If the intent is simply to "show a collection of responses which can inform future viewing of that original film", then you don't have to do the whole film. You can pick highlights. And then the audience doesn't have to sit through a feature-length dose of something rambling and disjointed.
Then again, maybe dissociation is your whole point,,, :-\
@planetery Each artist did highlight a few scenes. All together that covers the movie.
This is video. The audience doesn't 'have' to sit through anything. Those interested are allowed to watch it. Some will like it and some will not. (Some have loved it and others have hated it.) Some will watch it as a whole... other nav through and watch a few clips at a time. Those are all options. That's why DVD players have remotes and streaming video has control bars. You control if/ how you watch.
@kureejiieshi "This is video. The audience doesn't 'have' to sit through anything. " "It's seen over a hundred screens, airs on numerous public access channels".
Cognitive dissonance, or just forgetful backpedaling?
Anyway, the animation (on a scene by scene basis) is okay, but the quality of the fundamental concept and overall execution are not what they could be. No amount of rhetoric can obscure the basic fact that the project is flawed at its core.
@planetery It's shown and released in a number of different ways to be approachable to different audiences. There is no disconnect there. If you don't want to watch it in a single sitting then use your DVR when it airs, catch it when it's a webcast that isn't live streaming, or rent/ purchase the DVD. That's not backpedaling... it's logic. If you need control then you need to pick a set of circumstances which gives you that control.
@kureejiieshi LMAO I don't need "control." I need art that is cohesive and well-thought out. Like I said, all the rhetoric in the world won't cover the essential flaws at the heart of the concept (and the fact that they would be nonexistent with just a little more hard work). Just accept the critique like a grown-up, and apply it to the next one, so you don't have to hear something like this again.
Or is the problem here that you literally do not comprehend what I'm talking about?
@planetery lol...you started out inferring that you hadn't seen it so how much stock should I put in critique based on conjecture? Still, the discussion is fun.
I agree with most of your points but argue their relevance to this project and it's goals. We're divided at its core and everything else stems from that divide. There is no right or wrong. I'll do my thing with my projects, you do your thing with your projects and the world will be richer for the options.
@planetery The intent is that it function as an art show. Some works speak to you some speak to someone else. As you move through it, the work is my many different hands. If you love or hate it all then you have no perspective of your own.
Still, judge for yourself. It's seen over a hundred screens, airs on numerous public access channels, and has been out on DVD for about a month and a half.
@kureejiieshi If they want to do an art show, they should do an art show. If they want to adapt a film, they should adapt a film. Like I said, teh individual segments are interesting, but the overall film does not work on its own terms- period.
Watch the Waking Life bonus features and you'll see how hard it is to make a cohesive film with all the different animators doing their own thing. A lot of work has to be put in to make everything fit together well. This is just a mish-mash.
At 0:55 its gmod omg
The97Great 10 months ago
nice video
firstcowtails 1 year ago
Great animation in the individual scenes, but looks like the movie as a whole will be a pile of crap.. :-\
It also has the added problem of being pointless. Horror movie + cutesy, do-your-own-thing animation = post-ironic wanking
planetery 1 year ago
@planetery What is the point of art? Isn't it all just responses to the things, thoughts and sensations combined with documentation. You use media to make a perspective tangible and visible to others. Art, animation, and all media are just a tool to capture something intangible.
Some artists saw it as you already do and they have little to offer you. Others see differently then you and they can offer a new perspective if you are open to it.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@kureejiieshi Dude, i AM an artist. i used to be a filmmaker. And my PROFESSIONAL opinion is that this piece of art does not stand on it's own terms.
planetery 1 year ago
@planetery You are right on both accounts. The project was a supplemental experience that is intended to be kaleidoscopic and cacophonous not a cohesive stand alone film. Most hard core fans have seen night to the point that they know the beats by heart... the intent wasn't to replace that... but to show a collection of responses which can inform future viewing of that original film. So you're not wrong in what you're saying... but it doesn't align with the project's goals.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@kureejiieshi If the goal is not to make a cohesive film, then the project needs to try harder. Genius is in the editing. If the intent is simply to "show a collection of responses which can inform future viewing of that original film", then you don't have to do the whole film. You can pick highlights. And then the audience doesn't have to sit through a feature-length dose of something rambling and disjointed.
Then again, maybe dissociation is your whole point,,, :-\
planetery 1 year ago
@planetery Each artist did highlight a few scenes. All together that covers the movie.
This is video. The audience doesn't 'have' to sit through anything. Those interested are allowed to watch it. Some will like it and some will not. (Some have loved it and others have hated it.) Some will watch it as a whole... other nav through and watch a few clips at a time. Those are all options. That's why DVD players have remotes and streaming video has control bars. You control if/ how you watch.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@kureejiieshi "This is video. The audience doesn't 'have' to sit through anything. " "It's seen over a hundred screens, airs on numerous public access channels".
Cognitive dissonance, or just forgetful backpedaling?
Anyway, the animation (on a scene by scene basis) is okay, but the quality of the fundamental concept and overall execution are not what they could be. No amount of rhetoric can obscure the basic fact that the project is flawed at its core.
planetery 1 year ago
@planetery It's shown and released in a number of different ways to be approachable to different audiences. There is no disconnect there. If you don't want to watch it in a single sitting then use your DVR when it airs, catch it when it's a webcast that isn't live streaming, or rent/ purchase the DVD. That's not backpedaling... it's logic. If you need control then you need to pick a set of circumstances which gives you that control.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@kureejiieshi LMAO I don't need "control." I need art that is cohesive and well-thought out. Like I said, all the rhetoric in the world won't cover the essential flaws at the heart of the concept (and the fact that they would be nonexistent with just a little more hard work). Just accept the critique like a grown-up, and apply it to the next one, so you don't have to hear something like this again.
Or is the problem here that you literally do not comprehend what I'm talking about?
planetery 1 year ago
@planetery lol...you started out inferring that you hadn't seen it so how much stock should I put in critique based on conjecture? Still, the discussion is fun.
I agree with most of your points but argue their relevance to this project and it's goals. We're divided at its core and everything else stems from that divide. There is no right or wrong. I'll do my thing with my projects, you do your thing with your projects and the world will be richer for the options.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@planetery The intent is that it function as an art show. Some works speak to you some speak to someone else. As you move through it, the work is my many different hands. If you love or hate it all then you have no perspective of your own.
Still, judge for yourself. It's seen over a hundred screens, airs on numerous public access channels, and has been out on DVD for about a month and a half.
kureejiieshi 1 year ago
@kureejiieshi If they want to do an art show, they should do an art show. If they want to adapt a film, they should adapt a film. Like I said, teh individual segments are interesting, but the overall film does not work on its own terms- period.
Watch the Waking Life bonus features and you'll see how hard it is to make a cohesive film with all the different animators doing their own thing. A lot of work has to be put in to make everything fit together well. This is just a mish-mash.
planetery 1 year ago
Its going to be great when its down, i just gotts see it, its pure art
Darkrun9999 2 years ago
epic
Schpudd 2 years ago
LOL nice they even have a half-life versionhaahah
MetaOracle 2 years ago
This is coming together beautifully!
StevenLapcevic 3 years ago
So many different styles... This is how all animating collabs should be :)
voxie 3 years ago
Woohoo! My shots got in!
Looking great, guys! There's some nice variety happening in this latest trailer!
I'm hoping to do some more shots for you if I finish up with my other project...
Good stuff!
ladlon 3 years ago
It's interesting to be able to see how everything's coming together. It's looking great.
ChaotistRazor 3 years ago
yeaaah, very good trailer.
matmixx 3 years ago